Trouble in paradise?

Richard Marks and Virginia Bass at the elections office during happier times.

Local softball blogger Richard Marks says he is sitting on a hot piece of info about certain anonymous bloggers and wants your opinion on whether he should come out with it already.

But his conspicuous comments both here and on his blog raise questions about his association with political operatives that helped him win a seat on the Humboldt Bay Harbor, Recreation and Conservation District.

In the last few elections Matthew Owen — husband of 4th District Supervisor Virginia Bass — has had the midas touch when it comes to getting people elected. Even vastly unqualified one-issue puppets have been propelled into office with his help.

Marks and the Owen/Bass team have been tight over the last few years, running campaigns together, putting out identical campaign materials with misinformation to fool progressive voters. Their bond seemed unbreakable.

Owen has long pulled his hair out over who runs the Humboldt Herald. And Owen’s hero Rob Arkley is clearly fishing for information on the Herald with a public records request to the county.

So why is Marks keeping this secret close to his chest? The issue, according to him, is money. He wants some, and not just a little.

Are his (former?) friends too cheap to pay? Why wouldn’t he share it with them for free after all they have done for him? Why, Richard, why?

  1. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 10:41 am

    pssst, hey deep Samoan, over here. I don’t know about Heraldo, but could you tell me who runs another anonymous blog? I’ll make it worth your while. Meet me at the bar in the Avalon tonight.

  2. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Not deep Samoan. Samoan Throat? Samoan Asshole? Deep Asshole?

  3. Johnny Cambridge
    April 8, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Unless they are planning on physically or economically threatening Heraldo, there isn’t an issue as to whom actually runs the Herald.

    The only way that Heraldo’s identity is worth a dime, is if those who are willing to pay for it, are willing to break the law to use it.

  4. April 8, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Getting paranoid there Heraldo?

  5. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Just because Heraldo might be paranoid doesn’t mean vindictive, power hungry people aren’t out to get him. In fact, doesn’t an open threat to out pseudononymous bloggers make the charge of paranoia ludicrous?

  6. anonymous05
    April 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

    I was sure you talking about the Mirror.
    Isn’t that why we’re meeting at the Avalon, so that the publisher can just go from the meeting right back to work?

  7. Decline To State
    April 8, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I’m so disappointed in Richard. I actually voted for him at one point when I still felt he was a voice for the working class. I hope it’s he that’s changed and that I’m not just some fool who was duped into caring.

  8. LeegleBeegle
    April 8, 2011 at 11:19 am

    There is a context in which Richard’s threat to supply personal information of a private citizen in exchange for money could be interpreted as an act of extortion or blackmail.

    This would be true either if he is doing it on his own behalf, or perhaps at the behest of others. In the 2nd case he would have co-conspirators.

    Care to guess the context?

  9. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Do tell, Leegle!

  10. Not A Native
    April 8, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Marks, you’re sooo High School drama queen. Nyah nyah, I know something and I’m not gonna tell unless you beg me pretty please… Whatya gonna give me to tell, huh huh??

    Out with it already Marks or just shut up your slack jaw.

    You can’t stop Heraldo by puting a name on her/him. As long as there are people with a functional brain in HumCo, Heraldo lives. The only thing I’d like to see from Marks is the back of his head getting smaller and smaller

  11. Mayor Snorkum
    April 8, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Oh, I’m sure Heraldo is just !!! QUAKING !!! in his/her boots.

    Indicate the general nature of your evidence — otherwise this is just so much more hot air.

  12. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Believing in someone who is corrupt doesn’t make you a fool, Decline. Only if you continue to believe in them after they’ve removed all doubt that they are corrupt are you a fool. Richard has burned all his bridges with his former supporters and now he’s trying to cash out and get some revenge.

  13. Percy
    April 8, 2011 at 11:26 am

    You give a whole new meaning to “union man” Marks.

  14. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Union Man, Union Man
    He must have full dinner can
    AFL, CIO,
    Call a strike, out we go.

    Miner’s song from the 1930’s

    Not Richard’s song.

  15. ChumBolly
    April 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Wow, Richard. Like the commenter above I have always had respect for you, enjoyed talking with you about local employment issues, jobs etc. But man, this is quite the un-masking — of you, not of Heraldo.

  16. High Finance
    April 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I cannot believe you people are this dense.

    The offer to out Heraldo is real, the demand for money was a joke made with tongue firmly in cheek !

    I swear you people are hysterical !!

  17. lurch
    April 8, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    I’ll pony up three cents toward HiFi’s name.

  18. Mitch
    April 8, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I’ll pay five cents for HiFi’s name and a dime!

  19. Not A Native
    April 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Aww, get off it Hi Fi. In your opinion, for what good purpose is Marks making an “offer”?

    I’d say Marks is a careless and stupid child. He’s playing Roman emperor at the Colosseum, asking the mob to acclaim whether to give his imperial thumb up or thumb down for the life of a wounded gladiator.

    Of course, the emperor was reinforcing his authority and power to make life or death decisions over his subjects, thus keeping the mob in fear. That’s the kind of power Marks is showing he would like to wield. Marks is in total disgrace, an insult to the working people who sided with him.

  20. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Now HiFi is speaking for Richard Marks? Since Richard couldn’t have sounded more serious with his hateful post, unless HiFi and Marks discussed it or HiFi is a mind reader, he is once again just blowing out his azz.

  21. High Finance
    April 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Are all liberals this dumb ?

  22. lurch
    April 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    are you dumb enough to believe Richard, HiFi?

  23. Big Al
    April 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Don’t Richard and HIFI bat for the same team?

  24. April 8, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I don’t want to know who is behind the curtain here at the Herald. It would kind of ruin the fun of reading this blog if I knew the name of the schmuck who ran it.

  25. April 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    That must be what’s wrong with your blog, Tapperass.

  26. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    That should be “too cheap to pay.”

  27. April 8, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    I say Richard is bluffing. “Holding out for money?” WTF? Does TMZ have a Eureka branch office.

  28. High Finance
    April 8, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Everybody on our side knows who Heraldo is.

    It is (CENSORED) !

  29. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    HAHAHAHA! Sure you do HiFi. Even you aren’t slimy enough to play RM’s nasty games effectively.

  30. April 8, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Here’s your tip of the day, Hi Finance

    There’s this Senator from Wisconsin named McCarthy I hear he has a list of commies in the blogosphere. No doubt you will find Heraldo’s name on it.

    Just kidding, Rose.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  31. April 8, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    I hope that if this is all true, and somebody knows something, that it comes to light that the Humboldt Herald was created by Security National.

    A double mind f*ck on us all.

    So High Finance, you must be a good patient at the Mental Hospital in order to have such liberal computer access.

    Is that the “our side” you are referring to?

  32. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Mark Konkler told me in person that he was responsible for starting this blog. Konkler is Heraldo.

  33. An
    April 8, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    How about twenty questions Heraldo.

    1.Have you recently been on TV.

  34. An
    April 8, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    2. In local print media.

  35. An
    April 8, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    3. …..I’ll wait for Marks

  36. April 8, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    No, I started the Herald. I know that because I told myself it.

  37. April 8, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Actually, if Marks or HiFi or any other “enemy” of Heraldo does in fact know who they are, and if that person had any position of prominence that would earn them ridicule or harm, it suspect it would be out right now.

  38. skippy
    April 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Shhh. Corky Cornwell is Heraldo. Keep it on the downlow, bro.

  39. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I really dont care if someone is anonymous – EXCEPT – when the commenters/bloggers anonymously attack people, viciously, in the manner that people like Heraldo, PlainJane and NAN have done. And from the right, we have the Mirror.

    If you dont have the courage to say the heinous crap to someone’s face, or attach your name to it.

    It isn’t a free speech issue, as some try to assert; it’s taking responsibility for one’s words and actions.

  40. Mr. Arkley
    April 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    I would tell you who Heraldo is, but then I’d have to tell you. Instead, I will layoff 59 of my employees.

  41. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Heraldo is Soylant Green!

  42. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    I rather like Mitch’s idea: Heraldo is really Rob Arkley.

    Playing that game further, then:

    Plain Jane = Cherie Arkley

    Who will High Finance be?

    (Only one entry per day. No submissions will be returned.)

  43. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Heraldo would have to switch to reviewing local concerts if this really happened.

  44. An
    April 8, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    CD?

  45. Mr. Arkley
    April 8, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    HiFi will be fired if he keeps speaking out of turn. He needs to go back to filing those CEQA documents for the Marina Center. Get it!

  46. Mitch
    April 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I don’t know who HiFi is, but I think he should be played in the movie by the actor who played Boss Hogg from The Dukes of Hazzard. Or maybe the actor who played the Sheriff.

  47. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Co creator and likely author, Mark Konkler is one of Heraldo’s contributing authors.

  48. RAMDX
    April 8, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Maybe poor Richard just needs some money. Didn’t he lose a job at the pulp mill? The Fernbridge Cafe would be a great place to throw a benefit for him and help him out a bit.

  49. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I always see HiFi as a Don Knox sort of character.

  50. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I contributed a piece a few years ago and that didn’t give me the privilege of knowing who Heraldo is. But why does it matter? The ONLY people who care are those who want to shut him up. Why do people who claim to believe so strongly in individual liberty that they oppose a health care system far superior and much less expensive than the one currently bankrupting the country because they attached a friggin label to it of “socialism,” want to invade Heraldo’s privacy, his own personal sovereignty, because they don’t like his and his guests’ opinions and they want to intimidate him to shut him up?

  51. April 8, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Whew, PJ. That was quite a sentence!! I agree with it but it was a beauty!

  52. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Plain Jane doesn’t even live in Humboldt county. This whole place is phoney. Heraldo better hope Arkley doesn’t get his name. The lawsuits, site database, the whole bit will be part of deposition.

  53. April 8, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Maybe Heraldo is really Randy Gans using us as a way to vent his frustrations with his boss anonymously.

  54. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    She doesn’t??? Really? HAHAHA! Too bad a number of posters know for a fact that I do, 3rd generation in Humboldt.

  55. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    bullshit, oakland isp.

  56. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I admit I was on a rant, Mouse. You should have HEARD me while I was typing it. Of course, I didn’t type ALL the words I was saying. :D

  57. April 8, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Your idea 735 is a non-starter.

    WordPress blog owners (at least at the free level) don’t have access to any important info. Arkley’s lawyers would have to talk to Wordprss lawyers. The WordPress lawyers might have an interest in keeping their data private. It could go on for years.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  58. Jim Ferguson
    April 8, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    With all that is going wrong with the world, who gives a shit!

  59. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    7:52 is a cyber genius as well. AT&T is my server and, like every other AT&T internet user, my IP address is most often Oakland, but sometimes it’s other bay area cities. I’m guessing you are one of the idiot immigrants from Topix who regularly accused people of not being from here because of their IP address. Do your kids turn the puter on for you?

  60. Mike Buettner
    April 8, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I pee right here in Humblt.

  61. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    I’m talking about someone who knows you dude. You tend to talk alot. I will be in Martinez tues, want me to swing by?

  62. Mike Buettner
    April 8, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Sure.

  63. Mike Buettner
    April 8, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    But let me get this straight (no pun intended)… are you a swinger and/or bi?

  64. April 8, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I disagree with Heraldo’s anonymity; but I will defend to the death, the ugly, squishy, disemboweling death, his right to do it.
    (This is humor, or something close to it; please don’t call Homeland Security)

  65. in other arkley news...
    April 8, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    i was wondering if anyone out there knows if HumCPR is listed as a non-profit or if they fall under an Arkley non-profit umbrella.

  66. in other arkley news...
    April 8, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    meant to say “non-profit”

  67. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    It is hard to know what 8:36 is talking about since it isn’t addressed to anyone. If it is to me, first of all – Jane is definitely NOT a dude, anyone who knows me knows I wouldn’t go to Martinez on a double dog dare, and I live in Humboldt County. It’s possible you have me confused with the OTHER Plain Jane on Topix whose views are quite different from mine. HiFi even asked about one of Topix Plain Jane’s posts which were not at all the view I expressed here on the same or similar issue. Of course, that wasn’t me.

  68. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    HumCPR is not listed as a non-profit at GuideStar so probably aren’t. If they were, their funding and spending would be public record and we can’t have THAT!

  69. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    *isn’t.

  70. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    give it up dude. You may tuck, it wouldn’t surprise me, but definately a dude. You talk too much at work, and I said I was going to be in Martinez, not that you work there. Nice try.

  71. Mike Buettner
    April 8, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    He who knows tuck does. I don’t of course.

  72. in other arkley news...
    April 8, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    i love tucking, and swinging, and would still love to know why humCPR is able to be a .org
    do they have a non-profit sponsor? anyone?

  73. Mike Buettner
    April 8, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Anyone can be an .org.

  74. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Oh don’t get me wrong, it’s just that PJ is a bad tucker. Tacky.

  75. April 8, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Did anyone read this article about our friend?

    http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2011/04/01/13990.shtml

  76. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    The only “talking” I do at work is on a computer. I work from a home office and I’m the only one in it. Now go tuck yourself.

  77. Lumpy
    April 8, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    America! Tuck yeah!
    We’re here to save
    the MotherTucking day!

  78. April 8, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    HumCPR is listed as a corporation on the Secretary of State’s website. Go here, click the box for corporations and search by name. You will find the following:

    Entity Name: HUMBOLDT COALITION FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS, INC.
    Entity Number: C3070393
    Date Filed: 12/18/2007
    Status: ACTIVE
    Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
    Entity Address: P.O. BOX 47
    Entity City, State, Zip: EUREKA CA 95502
    Agent for Service of Process: ROBERT MORRIS
    Agent Address: 40500 ALDERPOINT ROAD
    Agent City, State, Zip: BLOCKSBURG CA 95514

  79. in other arkley news...
    April 8, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    thank you, H. and thank you for being who you are.

  80. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    You’re welcome.

  81. Plain Jane
    April 8, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    OOOPS! :D

  82. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Is HumCPR’s agent (and treasurer) the same Robert Morris who has over 800 acres in/near Eureka (who’s property is valued at over $2 million) that has proposed subdivisions of forestland, including a proposed subdivision in Cutten, breaking up a forested 78 acre parcel into 50 lots ranging in size from 0.3 acres to 7.8 acres? Sounds like a pretty good rural lifestyle.

  83. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    It’s truly unfortunate that Estelle Fennel, who is a genuinely nice person, and does understand what a true rural lifestyle means, got wrapped up with the money/power crowd. Also, unfortunate that a “progressive” union man got wrapped up in the same nasty affair. Someone knows how to pick ’em (and will, no doubt, cast them aside when they’ve served their purposes, as done with the Security National employees).

  84. MC Hammer
    April 8, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    I love that you have been discussing here, for more than 12 hours now, a simple 3-sentence ponder on another blog.

    Worry about your own opinions!Don’t waste time trying to change others views, just respect them. Free advice & you’re welcome. :)

    p.s. I hear Richard’s theme song is “Can’t Touch This!” Discuss.

    p.s.s. I’m KIDDING! Lighten up everyone! Richard is a damn good guy. Anyone claiming otherwise doesn’t know him. Period.

  85. Another anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    I am Spartic…. Heraldo!

  86. Good Name
    April 8, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    @ Anonymous 10:53…so who are these winners & warlocks of the “money/power crowd?” I wanna know!!

  87. Anonymous
    April 8, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    mc hammer.

  88. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 3:14 am

    Hey folks! Just wanted to stop by and see what shit you are all clammering to wolf down today, lets see… Wow, herald is really full of himself isn’t he? Look here folks, this is clearly all fabricated opnion based on wild guesses! What a supprise, the coward running this shit show strikes again! Get a life.

    Responses won’t be read. Just opening your eyes a bit

  89. hmmmmm
    April 9, 2011 at 3:23 am

    This just in. I did a little snooping. Seems that a certian someone isn’t so connected as you all might think. If he were so well informed, don’t you all think that he would be posting more than just wild speculation bassed on scraps of common information? Herald is a coward working and scheming to his own ends, playing you gullible little critters like fiddles. This man is nothig more than a coward, hiding and slinging slander from the saftey of his studio apartment.

    Ask yourselves this, if you can step back far enough from the problem and look at all the information that is present, and draw conclusions like a real adult. Why is there all this quiet collusion between him and his so-called “informants”? What can he stand to gain from this?(He isn’t a modern day Batman with a key-board) To what end do you all play in his twisted little preformance?

    Think cattle, think!

  90. trouble maker
    April 9, 2011 at 6:52 am

    It should be easy enough to put this Plain Jane mystery to bed. I went to college with someone working for Topix down in Santa Rosa. Should be easy enough to track him down, you have to register there. Wonder if his employer knows about the 100 posts a day. If Samoa doesn’t out him, look for my posting.

  91. edward cullen
    April 9, 2011 at 7:19 am

    “Are all liberals this dumb ?”

    yeah I’d complain too if I couldn’t reach the counter.

  92. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 7:45 am

    I always aspired to be mysterious, but not so much about which sex I am. I’m thinking Arkley now has more of his goons (at least those who want to keep a job) focused on Heraldo and other local blogs now.

    PLEASE MR. TROUBLEMAKER! DON’T TELL MY BOSS! She’s a meaner bitch than Arkley! If I don’t do at least 400 posts a day she’ll fire me! What is Arkley’s requirement for posts now? I might switch sides.

  93. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 7:53 am

    It’s been so long since I posted on Topix, I had to check to see if I still had an account there, couldn’t remember my password and got the name wrong. It isn’t PlainJane, but PlainJane2. Hope that helps, TM. I wouldn’t want you to waste time and Arkley’s money or he might have to lay you off too and we need all the jobs here we can get.

  94. Percy
    April 9, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Time to get out of your mom’s basement and quit jerking of on this blog trouble maker. Your comments aren’t funny or relevant.

  95. Mark Sailors
    April 9, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Making your political opinion know in this county can be bad news. Try getting a job when the owner of the business is of the opposite political opinion. Other employers don’t want the drama that a politically active employee brings.
    Trust me on this, I have missed out on a few jobs because of my blogging and city council run.

  96. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 8:10 am

    PJ. You haven’t aspired to be mysterious – just mean. Oh and by the way: get some hair color.

  97. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 8:11 am

    If Heraldo’s not Rob Arkley after all, here’s my new theory: Virginia Bass.

    Virginia Bass seems like a much nicer person than her votes would suggest; I’ll bet the “Heraldo” persona is her chance to speak up for herself.

    Rob Arkley is Plain Jane.

  98. April 9, 2011 at 8:14 am

    With all the crap I’ve taken over my various blogs, I kind of wish I would have remained anonymous from the start. But now that my name is out there I still refuse to shut my mouth.

    I don’t know if I’ve lost jobs, but I’ve been warned at jobs, and I’ve lost friendships (which to me is more important than jobs). On the plus side — groupies!

  99. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:20 am

    And demonstrates the malignancy of big fish in tiny ponds. They think they have some in-born right to control everyone and punish those who don’t tow the master’s line regardless who their boss is. A few complaints at the “club” and heads roll. I don’t actually have a boss since I’m self-employed, but I do have clients with various political leanings so keep politics out of my business. The right is getting more aggressive in their futile quest to shut down dissent and it isn’t just happening here. Attempts to intimidate just make me angrier.

  100. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:23 am

    What color should I get, 8:10?

  101. April 9, 2011 at 8:23 am

    I wish the Left would start being just as dirty, quite honestly.

  102. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 9, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Mark Sailors,

    TODAY’S TRUTH AND FACT AWARD WINNER.

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE AND FACTUAL; and, it shows how little of a humanoid some business owners can be – kinda like not serving black people back in the day while generally still using the “N” word.

    Nonetheless though, businesses that act or lash out can be described like a corporation or small business who hires union types or low wage position types like grunt laborers…. – why hire that which is gonna work against ya (just sayin politically) having nothing to do with job performances. So, what political spectrum do low wage, union retailer types, as well as, grunt laborers fit into? How about those migrant field laborers picking away produce? Yep, business is political, politics is business. Why? Power for Profit, Profit for Power. How? Community Positioning based upon socio-ideological stances, open or surreptitious, that are enjoined with those internally connected so as to yield favorable results for those who want to de the dictators of the community.

    One thing is for sure too; many people are not that politically involved either as business owners, but, there exists no signs at the time of employment application that any particular business is heavily involved in political issues and stances. Why? The customer base not shopping there is a fear, but what about when the customer and business agree on the political issue or stance? Then, boom, business is good and profit is better.

    See the game of advertizements?

    Great post Mark.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  103. April 9, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Mow you are getting silly”my mother said. Who cares who the perpatrator is.—-it is the oppurtunity to express our views–So, Renaldo–go ahead and PERPET^RATE

  104. olmanriver
    April 9, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Save Heraldo! Buy a blogger T-shirt or hoodie. Two styles available… 1) “I am Heraldo” and 2) “Find Heraldo”.

  105. April 9, 2011 at 8:37 am

    And damn the torpedoes,–Raging Granny

  106. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Doug,

    The left could be far more aggressive without needing to be as dirty. Matching them dirt for dirt just enables bystanders to say “they all do it.”

  107. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 8:44 am

    olmanriver,

    Don’t forget the ever-popular “H. S/he is alive.”

  108. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:49 am

    How about “We are ALL Heraldo now”

  109. in other arkley news...
    April 9, 2011 at 8:54 am

    HumCPR has repeated their message of protecting the rural lifestyle. Some may take their message at face value. But, with a little internet research, we can begin to understand what HumCPR is really getting at. Robert Morris, agent and treasurer of the HumCPR corporation (it is not a non-profit), believes a rural lifestyle means subdividing and developing forestland in Cutten and cutting Old-Growth Redwood trees that were identified as home to endangered species.

    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/392/1372/598176/

    http://co.humboldt.ca.us/planning/commission/default.asp?dkey=95200290645AM&pg=getAgenda.asp

  110. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Nice to know what HumCPR truly stands for: Corporation for Property Rights.

  111. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:11 am

    “Property Rights” is a phrase used to frame policies based on eliminating regulations vital to protecting the public interest. If more property owners were responsible, fewer regulations might be needed. Meanwhile, your rights stop where mine start, shit rolls downhill, and we need land use regulations for public safety. There really are no property “rights”, only regulations placed by the same government that took the property in the first place.

  112. April 9, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Business owners should be proud of their politics. What’s the point of having them otherwise? It is up to consumers to let others know where the businesses stand when the owners keep quiet for fear of losing business. It works both ways, too. Some will boycott (as I’m doing with Wisconsin businesses), and others will support you. Not being proud of what one believes in is a sign of weakness and a bit of self-actualization that says, “Maybe I don’t really believe it that strongly after all.”

  113. Tops
    April 9, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Who cares who you turds are? Although, I think lunch with skippy would be cool.

  114. April 9, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Mitch, I kind of agree with you. The Left has this real issue with appearing to be fair despite what the other side is doing. I don’t often look to it as stooping to their level, but more like doing a controlled burn to keep the forest from going up. Sometimes it backfires. Sometimes it doesn’t. I am a firm believer in direct action, and what the Right is doing these days (not to mention how it is escalating) says to me that if it doesn’t stop soon there are going to be some major problems on hand the likes of which we haven’t seen in this country in any of our life times.

  115. backfire
    April 9, 2011 at 9:48 am

    3:14/3:23, you are not very bright.

    Why is there all this quiet collusion between him and his so-called “informants”?

    Huh…right. A new style of collusion, played out in front of everyone. Take your own advice, and THINK a little before posting. And consult a dictionary!

  116. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

    People have a right to voice their opinions while maintaining their privacy and not be destroyed by vindictive sociopaths or targeted for harassment and stalking by sycophant nut cases, Doug. “Give a man a mask if you want him to tell the truth” is even more true today than when Oscar Wilde said it. The right is demonizing people using out-of-context quotes and pouring through e-mails. Their willingness to lie outrageously to destroy people is well documented. Why give them the rope to hang you?

  117. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I guess I need to start reading Somoa Softball again just to see what all the fuss is about

  118. April 9, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Mark got lucky and sold his parcel right before it went on the tax auction block.

  119. April 9, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I love the “Raging Grannys” What power, what determination! Yeah, you can stand up to potentates, dictators, and corrupt proletariats; but you can’t argue with your Granny.
    Anonymity:
    The other day at work, not my union-skilled trade job, but a minimum-wage part-time job I’ve taken because work is work. Anyway, there was this guy with a huge belt-buckle standing at the back of the line just doggin me. I mean this guy had the meanest, most disgusted look I think I’ve ever had anyone put on me. It wasn’t “Mr.” Arkley, I don’t say anything against that man. Without his generosity, my son’s class would have not had an 8th grade recreation-trip. Besides, we belong to the same parish-church. (love that whole ‘parish’ thing) And, I don’t blame anyone for human nature, and that nature is to take advantage of the opportunities available. I prefer to attack the system that allows unfair advantage.
    No one is above the trappings of human nature…
    So anyway, I got pretty uncomfortable with this guy’s hatred, so I asked him he needed help, or anything; and he just laughs, and walks out without buying anything. It took awhile to sink in, but I’m pretty sure he knew me from the blogs. He may have thought he was pretty intimidating, but he could stand to lose a hundred pounds of so before he considers playing the tough-guy.

  120. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 10:39 am

    RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT…

    Paranoid much?

  121. Heraldo
    April 9, 2011 at 10:45 am

    I am Heraldo

  122. Goldie
    April 9, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I just came back to this blog after reading about someone traveling to another country. They talked of the kindness of the people there. I do wish we had the habit of being kinder to each other. There is much in this world that is hard on the soul and we are up against many challenges that would be easier to handle if we were in the habit of working together instead of putting so much effort into trying to lower someone in the pecking order.
    Intimidation works and it runs down hill. It is game of power over others and it stalls creativity and community, no matter who does the intimidation. Grammar and spelling comments drive away people as well. Classism? I would say so.
    In posts sometimes you can catch something about the lives of the posters. People are having a hard time out there. People I know are moving away. This is a paradise with many troubles.
    But how and what you post is up to you. We are called haters on other blogs and for a reason. I personally wish to be called an ‘idealist stupid visionary’ and I wish to be called ‘Neighbor’.
    If you wish to lower the self esteem of another, why?
    We shall see what happens with the email information request and we shall see how we as a community stand up to intimidation and we shall live with how we respond to each other.

  123. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 10:55 am

    I agree with Goldie. Can we all try to be more nice?

  124. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I just love the hypocrisy of people accusing others of being mean in the same post they are lobing personal appearance attacks based on their delusion that they know who they are talking about. If countering false claims and illogic in plain language makes you a vicious meanie, color me mean. If your skin is too thin to debate aggressively without whining then maybe you should toughen up or take your skin out of the game.

  125. M
    April 9, 2011 at 11:10 am

    “It’s nice to be nice”

    — King Louis Narcisse

    http://mcnsarticles.blogspot.com/2003_07_13_archive.html

  126. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 11:13 am

    You are kinda mean.

  127. Groan
    April 9, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Hmmm at 3:23 a.m. is a really bad speller. Never trust someone who can’t spell simple words like certain, based, nothing and performance. Even cattle can spell those words.

  128. Groan
    April 9, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Plain Jane, the word is lobbing. Not lobing. Lobes are for ears.

  129. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Are you capable of understanding that calling someone mean is, um, kinda mean, 11:13? I am VERY mean when I’m angry and I’m angry over the right wing agenda to turn our democracy into a corporatocracy, destroy our environment and turn the working classes into serfs while trying to intimidate those who speak out.

  130. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Thanks for the spell check, Groan.

  131. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 11:26 am

    “capable of understanding” is not a nice thing to say.
    Are you “capable of spelling”? would not be a nice to thing to say.

  132. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Saying my posts aren’t nice is mean as is picking on me for typos. That what you are saying is true makes it okay, unlike the posters who claim to know identities and post lies about them based on their false assumptions. That isn’t just mean but libelous. Can you understand the difference?

  133. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Right Phillis.

  134. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Furthermore, taking a few words out of context and pretending that “capable of understanding” without acknowledging that it was a QUESTION and not an insult is deceitful.

  135. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Most people spell Phyllis with a “Y,” 11:34. But that isn’t my name either.

  136. Big Al
    April 9, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Bad spelling is indicative of dyslexia or having been a product of the California school system.
    Dyslexics often have horrible, even laughable spelling but are can be gifted in the physical world. Mechanics who cant spell the name of the parts they work on and engineers, yes even rocket scientists who spell like third graders. Poor handwriting (Dysgraphia) is also connected to this at times, which strikes me as odd considering how manually dexterous they might be otherwise…
    I also know engineers who can’t use tools, but they are a different subgroup.
    Another facet that escapes me is how they don’t use spell check, its right there man, click on it!

    I think maybe Richard just wanted to drive up the traffic on his own site…

  137. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Everyone misspells words, uses the wrong homonym at times, makes grammatical errors and typos. No one caught my homonym error above “pouring” when it should have been “poring.” People who focus on trivialities rather than substance are just an annoying distraction.

  138. skippy
    April 9, 2011 at 11:48 am

    “Provoking Humboldt County since 1996”

    Heraldo’s mission statement has given all a home to express opinions on local issues either in agreement or to the contrary, making a few friends and enemies along the way. Heraldo barely comments, offering the topic du jour, letting folks say their piece, and providing for some lively discussions. What’s wrong with that? Because one might disagree and dissent? Because given sentiments are persuasive or politically charged? Shame on you. Don’t attack the messenger or hate the player; hate the game. Skips doesn’t care about Heraldo’s bias nor always subscribe to his point of view. He does appreciate the minority and majority views of others, freely expressed. Heraldo provides an understanding and a place for local issues not covered elsewhere.

    Everyone contributes. Hi-Fi is often the lone (and sometimes unduly hated) voice of (financial) reason, yet very welcome to hear. Plain Jane, Tra, and Mitch consistently offer their excellent reasoning, commentary, and humor. Bolithio proffered good, inside information about logging recently. Walt and Jack Durham gave their fine, informed insights with Ross Rowley similarily doing the same with his Ferndale annexation history. Big Al and jean.doran threw in some fine quotes to remember on a previous thread; Highboldtage Bill, his usually wise and peaceful ditties. Mr. Nice, Tapperass, Anonymous, and others cover the sharp, spark, and snark. Mr. Sims, Mr. Hoover, and others, make rare appearances. Brighter than thy– and sometimes hard to follow as Buckminster Fuller– the Henchman of Justice weighs in his peace, too. Goldie’s comments are good. There are many more of you, my apologies for not mentioning everyone. There are the few unintelligent, uninformed, or rude posts that simply stand out for the sore thumbs they are, illustrating their lack of credibility on which they stand.

    Yes, there are some who’d like to ruin the party, wound the host, and wish Heraldo’s site to oblivion… making those dissenting comments and commentators homeless for different reasons. Shame on you: democratic discourse is a needed and important protection from both tyranny and retaliation by an intolerant society or the majority view, even in this small corner of the world.

  139. ILoveSkippy
    April 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    What Skippy said x2 !

  140. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Thanks, Skippy, and ditto. Thanks also to Heraldo for weathering the slings and arrows to provide this forum for the free expression of ideas.

  141. April 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    “Some will boycott (as I’m doing with Wisconsin businesses)…”

    I’m sure they’ll miss Mr. Brunell’s business.

  142. hmm
    April 9, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Right Phillis

  143. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Phillis is an odd name for man. What’s his last name?

  144. hmm
    April 9, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Taborski.

  145. What Now
    April 9, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Wow, Skippy!
    That felt like a virtual holding of hands and singing of “Kumbaya”!

    “Ich bin ein Heraldo!”

  146. Andrew Bird
    April 9, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Claiming that Phillis Seawright (formerly Taborski) is Plain Jane makes as much sense as making the claim that Andrew Bird is Heraldo, which a few not-to-bright people have done.

  147. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    LMAO@hmmm

  148. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    But it is SO effective at derailing legitimate discussion of the issues, Andrew. The one thing it does do is make it crystal clear why they are so obsessed with identifying posters whose views they don’t like. When you can’t refute the message, attacking the messenger is all you’ve got.

  149. hmm
    April 9, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Whatever Phillis.

  150. hmm
    April 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Pot, kettle, black. Since when is calling someone by their name an attack? Derailing what legitimate discussions of what issues? Get a grip.

  151. Mark Sailors
    April 9, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    My vote for T-shirt is:

    “We are all Heraldo !!”

  152. Mark Sailors
    April 9, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Also, we are all entitled to freedom of information act disclosures, but to waste the money of this county when we are cash strapped on frivolous attempts to out the identity of a blogger is beyond repugnant.

  153. April 9, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    “Give a man a mask if you want him to tell the truth” – is not exactly accurate. In fact the studies have shown that if you give a man a mask, he will deliver a fatal zap of electricity, if he thinks he is anonymous.

    And the true measure of a man – or woman, Jane – is if they are willing to stand up and be a man, and tell the truth no matter the consequences. pure and simple, That’s what amounts to the nobility of man. Scurrying around in the dark, and feeding on your false fears is not.

  154. Percy
    April 9, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Let’s out “hmm”. I think she’s “trouble maker” in drag or maybe she had a sex change operation, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  155. Percy
    April 9, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Don’t know why your post cracked me up, Rose. I think it was the “nobility of man” thing.

  156. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    The Herald has been the best media outlet in Humboldt County for several years now.

    The word “out” is telling. “Outing” a gay person is an attempt to do them harm, whether done by right-wingers 30 years ago or by disgusted gays against closeted homosexual anti-gay politicians today.

    The only reason someone would want to “out” Heraldo would be to him/her/them damage. It won’t work, but it does say a lot about the would-be “outers”. It always has.

    I can’t say I’ve lost much respect for the would-be “outers,” because I had so little respect for them to begin with. But it does make me even more confident of my opinion about just how foul they are.

  157. Ed
    April 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    I would like to see those studies Rose. Meanwhile, if choosing between masked people, I always liked Zorro. The rebels in Libya are a good example, as in Egypt. I admit the mask is used by the misguided as well, the klan for example. But what a difference in philosophies eh?

  158. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I’m sure Rose is ready to stop the CIA’s use of agents, since she recognizes there’s never a valid reason to hide one’s identity.

  159. Not A Native
    April 9, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Time for a new thread and putting Samoa Slimeball into a shameful, hope to forget past.

  160. High Finance
    April 9, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Pardon me, but it is getting really thick in here.

    There have been hundreds of posts here by a number of you trying to “out” me. Mouse himself (under a number of different identities) must have posted three dozen times. And I am just a lone poster that hasn’t even accused any real people of crimes !

    And you guys are surprised that certain people in town want to find out who Heraldo is ? The guy that accuses other people in city hall of having affairs ? The guy that accuses other people of taking bribes ?

    Can you blame them ? If Heraldo had accused me or my spouse in that way I too would be after him.

  161. April 9, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Here you go, Ed: Authoritarian Sociopathy: Part 1…
    In the Milgram Experiment participants were divided into “teachers” and “learners” and placed in separate rooms. They could communicate, but could not see each other. The experimenter instructed the “teachers” to read questions to the “learner” and if they answered incorrectly to administer an elecro-shock of ever increasing voltage. Unknown to the “teachers” was that the “learners” were actually plants and the electro-shocks were fake. The “teachers” were the actual subjects in the experiment. After a few volt increases the “learner” began to object, to bang on the walls, and complain about a heart condition. After some time the the “learner” would go silent. If the subject asked to stop the experiment for any reason he was given a succession of verbal prods by the experimenter to continue. “Please continue,” “the experiment requires that you continue” “you must constinue,” etc. Most continued after being told that they would not be held responsible.

    Of the experiment subjects 65% administered the experiment’s maximum massive 450-volt shock even though every subject expressed some level of objection in doing so. Some began to laugh nervously. Others offered to refund the money they were paid for participating in the experiment. Some exhibited signs of extreme stress once they heard the screams of pain coming from the learner. But the vast majority were willing to administer a lethal jolt of electricity to a complete stranger based upon nothing but the verbal prodding of a scientist in a lab coat. None of those who refused to administer the deadly shock insisted that the experiment itself be terminated.

  162. playing nice
    April 9, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Mark. Maybe you don’t know but its not the freedom of info act. That’s for the feds. Its the public records act and you have to pay the actual costs of employee time (that includes benefits) for retrieval and copying and all other costs. If you want to talk about a waste of money for this cash starpped county how about Mark’s trip to Sacto at our expense to lobby for the CCC slot. Didn’t see any other nominee waste money like that. But who cares huh? Or the money we’ve wasted on our housing element that keep getting rejected by the state? Or the money we’ve wasted on the damn lawyers everytime the fringe left somehow get patently unconstitutional ordinances passed just for principle? I better stop here or I’ll get on a role.

  163. playing nice
    April 9, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    That should have been “strapped.” Sorry.

  164. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Excellent cut-and-paste Rose, and because the victims and victimizers were in separate rooms, not 100% irrelevant.

    But this is the first time and will probably be the last time anyone suggests that Milgram’s experiment was about people’s different behavior when their identities were hidden.

    As you know, it was about people’s willingness to submit to authority. Masked or not.

  165. April 9, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Actually, Mitch, as I recall, there was more to it, maybe a subsequent study, covered on 60 Minutes, and they tested the difference between how people acted if they were face to face, if they were not, and if they were given a uniform.

    You can imagine which was worse. or you can look it up.

    Nice try though.

  166. Thirdeye
    April 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    It’s not possible to say to what degrees Milgram’s experiment was about submission to authority and about hidden identity. It was about both, with the portion of each unspecified.

  167. Thirdeye
    April 9, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    I must concede that there are counterexamples in these blogs to the idea that known identity = more civil. There are some real snot-flingers who make little or no attempt to maintain anonymity.

  168. skippy
    April 9, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Hi-Fi’s right. It’s a bit thick in here. Let’s get to the bottom of this masquerade, and the history of how all this started– direct from the Holy Grail itself.

    The Witch: I’m not a witch I’m not a witch!
    Sir Bedevere: But you are dressed as one
    The Witch: *They* dressed me up like this!
    Crowd: We didn’t! We didn’t…
    The Witch: And this isn’t my nose. It’s a false one.
    Sir Bedevere: [lifts up her false nose] Well?
    Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose.
    Sir Bedevere: The nose?
    Peasant 1: And the hat. But Heraldo is a witch!
    Crowd: Yeah! Burn him! Burn him!
    Sir Bedevere: What makes you think he’s a witch?
    Peasant 3: Well, he turned me into a newt!
    Sir Bedevere: A newt?
    Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] … I got better.
    Crowd:[shouts] Burn him anyway!
    Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether Heraldo is a witch.
    Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
    Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
    Peasant 1: Burn them.
    Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
    Peasant 1: More witches?
    Peasant 2: Wood!
    Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
    Peasant 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
    Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether Heraldo is made of wood?
    Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of him.
    Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
    Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
    Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
    Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!… It floats! Throw him into the pond!
    Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
    Peasant 1: Bread.
    Peasant 2: Apples.
    Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
    Peasant 1: Cider.
    Peasant 2: Gravy.
    Peasant 3: Cherries.
    Peasant 1: Mud.
    Peasant 2: Churches.
    Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
    King Arthur: A Duck.
    Sir Bedevere: …Exactly. So, logically…
    Peasant 1: If Heraldo weighed the same as a duck… he’s made of wood.
    Sir Bedevere: And therefore…
    Peasant 2: …A witch! Heraldo’s a witch!
    Crowd: Burn him!!!

    …and that’s how it all began, courtesy of Monty and the Boys, revised.

    Now, back to our continuing tragedy.

  169. April 9, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    But, skippy, don’t you get it? It will be a big “So what?”

    There’s no burning at the stake. It will simply be the end of this game of Clue – and if one of the commentors at Samoa Softball is right – it’s “It’s Professor Blank, in the World Cup, with the laptop” If true, it’s nothing more than the midnight hour and the Masquerade Ball would be over. Who will care?

    Seriously – there is nothing wrong with using your name – as Mitch knows, as Fred knows, or a nic, as mresquan knows, and as Joel knows as he uses both a name and a nic at various times. No one hates him for it.

    Relax, the drama is fun, but don’t imagine it is real.

  170. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Rose,

    You’re a lawyer, aren’t you? When you’re in court and someone asks you to produce the evidence you’ve been referring to, do you offer something marginally related and explain to the judge that there’s more?

    I know, I know, it’s not the same.

    Carry on.

  171. Mitch
    April 9, 2011 at 4:04 pm

  172. April 9, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    H….It’s that time of year again.

    I thought I’d leave you with a little trip down memory lane from way back in 2007 when Keri did a post about this obsession with your identity (although you may have to fix the link if I screw it up as usual.) Yep, I’ll say it again: 2007.

    Heraldo…is that you????

  173. April 9, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Thanks for the walk down memory lane, K-bel. You’re a better stalker than Richard Marks.

  174. robash141
    April 9, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    We all know who Rose is but wish we didn’t….

  175. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    H, as long as you don’t have a name like Dick Marks don’t worry about it…

  176. April 9, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Y’know I think I saw Heraldo talking to a black cat…could that be his “Familiar?” I think we need an inquisition to know for sure.

  177. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    If it doesn’t really matter who anyone is, why are some obsessed with finding out and accusing people of being people they aren’t? This is another one of those “tilt the table toward the powerful” issues. The mask of anonymity is a weight on the side of the powerless who, without the mask, can be ruined by the powerful. Of course, those who are willing to temper their words to avoid offense or who, like Rose, are always on the side of the power don’t have to worry about retribution. I’d rather be a “coward” who speaks out than a sycophant who sucks up. Opinions differ.

  178. April 9, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    What power am I one the side of, “Jane”? That’ hilarious.

    And you still don’t get it. This is a game of your own creation. And instead of your words having more power by their anonymity, instead of hearing you, people play the game. By your own choice you give them something else to focus on and you tell us that you do not have the courage of your own convictions. that in order for you to tell the truth it must be whispered in the darkness, that it cannot stand the strength of day. It may make you feel better, and you may be vested in the game, deriving some perverse reward from it – but it remains a game of your own creation, with villains you dread, and fears of “outing” adding to the drama.

  179. Mayor Snorkum
    April 9, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Maybe the way it works is like this, Rose. Person A really wants to say mean, nasty, angry things about someone/something else. Possibly these things are actually deserved. However, Person A, in their social life, doesn’t want people to think he/she is an asshole. And in fact, perhaps in their social life, they are actually pretty pleasant, polite, and restrained. So staying anonymous allows them both worlds.

  180. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    You need to do something about those voices, Rose. Everyone is free to assign as much weight to the opinions of anyone, named or otherwise, as they choose. If you didn’t fear people believing the unnamed, you wouldn’t care who they were. Who posters are is none of your business but you choose to make it your business because you don’t like what is said about the powerful. You do it all the time so what is “hilarious” is that you think it’s hilarious that anyone would think you always side with power. You are also always accusing people of being who they are not. I don’t care who anonymous posters are on any side. I don’t care who the Bugs are, but that’s a very good example of your sucking up to power and hypocrisy. You post in that cesspool all the time without demanding they reveal their identities. You don’t care because they are on the same side you are on. If someone posts something you don’t believe, challenge them on the substance; don’t whine about not knowing who they are or claim they are people they aren’t. That isn’t honest debate. I’d rather debate with a thousand honest anonymi than one liar like yourself.

  181. Lumpy
    April 9, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Ooooh – a catfight!

    I’ll make popcorn.

  182. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    If you really want to know who Heraldo really is, start with asking Mark Konkler (aka mresquan). He told me to my face that he was instrumental in setting this blog up.

  183. Mike Buettner
    April 9, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Thank you PJ!

  184. Bitman
    April 9, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    I set this blog up.

  185. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Thanks for all your work Mike!

  186. April 9, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Rose should try peddling her anti-anoymous horse-shit at the Mirror.

  187. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Strong work, Bitman.

    How are the avatars assigned? Mine is so perfect for me (the crab) that it can’t be just chance. :D

  188. Bitman
    April 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Gullible much. Sorry, but I was bullshitting for Rose.

  189. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    That is one reason people may choose to remain pseudonymous, Mayor. But there are others. I happen to be self-employed with clients and friends who move in the local elite business and social circles. While everyone who knows me (including my clients) knows I am pretty far left, we don’t talk politics much in business or social situations. Keeping my politics and my business separate is necessary to keep bullies from embarrassing my friends and clients because of their associations with me.

  190. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    You’d think they would have noticed the same avatar on both posts. I was just being silly.

  191. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Playing hard to get are we?

  192. done playing nice
    April 9, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Phillis. You are one really hateful gal. I don’t think it has to do with being laid up. You just are a cranky gal. Sorry. Joel I like you socially but ya gotta check yourself brother. Mike B. Bite me.

    Ttfn!

  193. Mike Buettner
    April 9, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    It is Bitman not Bite me.

  194. taxed
    April 9, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    The Time Standard sure shut up public opinion. Glad we have a voice on Heraldo. Some of you may know the feeling of going to the city council and being ignored. You can hit the citiots over the head with important information and calm rational and get nowhere. Sometimes it takes an anonymous post with a sting to get anyone to listen. Grudges are indeed held when exposure of conflicts of interest are pointed out and skeletons are brought out of the closet by someone other than the owner of the closet. Being able to blog is better than getting 3 minutes at city council where getting the microphone shut off and letting liars and idiots have the last word is the norm.

  195. Thirdeye
    April 9, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Wow, Heraldo is really some guy named Mark Konkler? I am so happy to know that. My life is complete now.

  196. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Done Playing Nice, if I could understand what the fuck you were trying to say in that hateful post, I might try to respond to it; however, what “laid up” has to do with my post is a complete mystery. And again, I’m not the Phillis you keep maligning in your attacks on me, I’m not a man, I don’t live in Oakland and it’s EXTREMELY hypocritical for a person posting lies under anonymous or constantly changing pseudonyms to complain about others posting facts under one pseudonym. Not that I expect you to be capable of grasping such an elementary concept.

  197. Big Al
    April 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    I like Jane

  198. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Thanks, Al. I’m not really a bitch, I just play one on the internet.

  199. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    When you think about how small a community this is, it’s really kind of surprising that Heraldo has been able to maintain his anonymity as long as he has. I think that’s because our local politicos are very insular and clique-ish (almost high-schoolish in that regard), and these like-minded individuals tend to circle the wagons and protect their own. Those who know who Heraldo is (and I’m sure there must be, at the very least, dozens of Heraldo’s friends and colleagues who know) simply aren’t going to tell, and those who would like to “out” him just move in totally different social circles, with very little overlap and therefore have little opportunity to speak with any of those who know, much less convince them to divulge secrets.

    At least in theory, it would make sense that Richard Marks, a longtime Democrat and local labor leader, might have enough diversity among those he talks to that one of them might be someone who knows Heraldo’s identity.

    So on its face, Marks’s claim ought to be at least somewhat believable. But if Marks really does know, he’s sure acting coy and milking it for all it’s worth. And that behavior might be consistent with knowing, but it’s also quite consistent with someone who doesn’t know (or or thinks he knows but isn’t sure and doesn’t have proof), who is hoping that if he can just get the topic talked about enough, then eventually someone else will spill the beans.

    But I agree with those who say that Heraldo doesn’t seem to be very worried about getting outed…otherwise he probably wouldn’t have posted this piece in the first place, and wouldn’t have provided a link to Marks’ blog in the first place.

    At any rate, Marks ought to S.O.G.O.T.P. already.

  200. Oldphart
    April 9, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Ok, Ok – I’m Heraldo.

  201. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    To clarify, Tra. Marks has said he doesn’t know who Heraldo is and hinted that he might out pseudonymous bloggers who he suspects do know but won’t tell him.

  202. done
    April 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Whatever Phillis. Take you hormone replacements.

  203. done
    April 9, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    That would be “your” hormone replacements. Chalk that up to pme.

  204. suzy blah blah
    April 9, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person

    -totally-

  205. Anhysbys
    April 9, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    It’s funny that some people think that all of this commenting and discussion of local politics, personalities and events is because of Heraldo. He does an admirable job and is quick to start threads on local issues, but it is the many comments and twists and turns of the thread that make this site enjoyable and interesting. It is what it is because of the regular commentators and the astute insiders who chime in from time to time.
    If Heraldo was “outed” and gone, another Heraldo would take his place. It happened before when Cap’N’ Buhner was revealed and it will certainly happen again.
    Sorry Rob and Richard, the hydra will just grow a new head and there will always be county/city/private employees quick to leak a “juicy” story, letter, or hypocritical action.
    Deal with it.

  206. skippy
    April 9, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I like Suzy blah blah. She’s the life of the party. Stunningly fabulous. Plain Jane, too.

    Me, too.

    About those shocking Milgram studies: there’s two sides to a coin– and usually many. Cambridge University co-author Oriel FeldmanHall presented her research paper last week. Guess what? Talk is cheap. 96% of others will do the dirty shock for… money! Nothing to do with the identity: the more money, the greater the shock. Now, would a good Union man, then, sell himself out to the other side for a $379 composite graphite/carbon 2011 B2 Bomber baseball bat? Mercy! What has become of us?

    Heraldo has been found. He’s here.

  207. suzy blah blah
    April 9, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    -the rain in Spain falls
    mainly on the stunningly fabulous.

  208. WTF
    April 9, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Guys. Turn of the bullshit and your computers. Time out kids.

  209. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Yes Anhysbys, but not every blogger can be trusted to protect the anonymity of its posters or sources.

  210. Lumpy
    April 9, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Skippy! Ha!

    Good investigative reporting. You could run the T-S!
    And we didn’t even have to pay you.

  211. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Plain Jane @ 7:52 said : To clarify, Tra. Marks has said he doesn’t know who Heraldo is and hinted that he might out pseudonymous bloggers who he suspects do know but won’t tell him.

    Really? Because the post on Marks’ own blog sure seemed to claim more than that:

    Should I expose or out Heraldo?
    I have been sitting on this for awhile. I was just wondering what you all think. Should I identify this anonymous hater…

    http://samoasoftball.blogspot.com/2011/04/should-i-expose-or-out-heraldo.html

    Sounds to me like Marks claiming to know Heraldo’s identity, but maybe he just intended to imply it, but did so rather clumsily?

    Either way, I maintain that Marks really ought to S.O.G.O.T.P.

  212. Decline To State
    April 9, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    People, people, people…obviously “Heraldo” is an anagram. His “secret identity” is obviously an anagram.

    He’s probably one of the following:

    Had Role (disturbing)
    Heard Lo (more cryptic but equally disturbing)
    Deal Rho (ack, don’t want to go there!)
    Lead Rho (probably right but don’t I don’t completely comprehend)
    Lad Hero (now we’re talking)
    Lard Ho (???)
    A Lord Eh (a real possibility)
    …or my favorite
    A Rod He (you rock bro)

    …glad for any help this might be.

    Perhaps it’s time to move on.

  213. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I love the comment ” local elite business and social circles “. Funny! Fortuna? Eureka? Arcata? McK? Orick? Which area’s elite? It’s just kind of an oxymoron to me, the “local” and “elite” words being put in the same sentence. Not to slam this area. I love this area.

    DONE is being mean to Jane. Stop it.

  214. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Marks is telling contradictory lies then, Tra, because he said quite clearly he knew some bloggers knew but wouldn’t tell him and he was threatening to out the ones whose identity he knew because of it. If he knew he’d be posting it on every blog in Humboldt County. He got more posts on his thread about outing Heraldo than all of his other threads combined, which must sting just a little, especially since that post further solidified the opinion that he is a POS opportunist who can’t be trusted.

  215. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Elite is relative, Anonymous. While most of our local “elite” wouldn’t be important in a metropolitan area, in our little pond those at the top of the educational, social, political and business structures are our “local elite.” The same is true for every community but on a different scale, of course.

  216. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    True, Jane. Also, some of our local movers and shakers (even some of those who not many know much about) are actually in elite circles in bigger metropolitan areas. It always surprises me when I find out that someone quietly lives here while doing important things not known or appreciated here and are recognized by their peers, trade organization, or have invented something significant that has been recognized elsewhere.

  217. Mr. Nice
    April 9, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    I had forgot all about that Samoa Softball blog too.

    This blog drama is so last decade. Google up 4chan /b/ read some leaks and we chat serious about blogs. Leak some more dirt and blow some more whistles.

    Folks with names don’t leak real shit, they all got bullshit intel since who’s gonna tell them shit?

  218. Mr. Nice
    April 9, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Try and read 4chan /b/ for two hours and come back at me with that blog shit. Watch all them videos too.

  219. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    The Milgram study is a classic, but there has been a whole body of work on Authoritarianism, and in particular the phenomenon of Authoritarian Followers.

    A truly outstanding book which summarizes this body of work is “The Authoratarians” by Robert Altemeyer, who has been studying authoritarianism and authoritarian followers for many decades. He was mostly working in relative obscurity until John Dean, of Watergate fame, discovered Altemeyer’s work as Dean was doing research for his book “Conservatives Without Conscience” and trying to figure out why and how his party had gone so far off the rails.

    What Dean discovered was that his experience in the Republican Party mirrored Altemeyer’s findings that the Republican Party has increasingly become the party of authoritarian followers (yes, there are a significant number of authoritarian followers in the Democratic Party, too, but not nearly as large a portion as in the Republican Party, where those testing high for authoritarianism are actually a sizeable majority now).

    Dean cited Altemeyer’s work frequently in his book, catapulting Altemeyer’s work out of obscurity and (at least somewhat) into the public consciousness. Dean suggested to Altemeyer that he might want to write a book oriented to a popular audience, and “The Authoritarians” is the result.

    The book “The Authoritarians” is available as a free PDF at:

    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    While some of the subject matter can be fairly challenging to follow, the book is written in a very accessible way, and, believe it or not, it’s a really fun read. That’s because Altemeyer has a wicked sense of humor and clearly makes an effort to add enough levity to make this potentially depressing subject palatable to the reader. (If you do read it, take the time to read the footnotes, some of which are truly laugh-out-loud funny.) And far from being just gloom-and-doom, the book offers a lot of hope, because if we can understand what’s motivating these authoritarian followers, we’re in a much better position to counter the phenomenon of authoritarianism.

    Anyway, from Altemeyer’s exhaustive research it’s clear from the data that the phenomena of authoritarianism and authoritarian followers are not really about money, except indirectly (because authoritarian followers are extremely deferential to what they perceive as legitimate authority, and rich people are usually percieved as legitimate authorities by these authoritarian followers).

    So, if you’re interested in this subject, download the free PDF and read it…you won’t be sorry you did.

  220. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    The book was written before the Tea Partiers and before “birtherism,” but viewed through the lens of authoritarian follower theory, the birtherism makes perfect sense: On the one hand, virtually all those who the Tea Partiers see as legitimate authorities are telling them that Obama is a closet socialist, a terrorist sympathizer, a threat to domestic security, and so on.

    Yet there he is, clearly elected to the highest office in the land, and therefore someone who would normally would command great loyalty from authoritarian followers (which many, though not all, Tea Partiers are). So what does an authoritarian follower do when threatened with this cognitive dissonance? Well the solution is, in a way, quite simple: believe that despite being elected by a solid majority, he’s still not a legitimate authority. But on what basis to rest that belief?

    Hence the almost desperate desire to believe, against all evidence, that Obama was not born in the U.S. It solves that very vexing problem for the authoritarian followers, who are now free to follow those who they do view as legitimate authorities, figures like Beck and Limbaugh and Palin and Gingrich and so on, as they attack the illegitimate “usurper.”

  221. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    So much has been said here…too many topics to address at once. So, main point first: I frequently travel out of the area for a good portion of each month and the only “news source” I check daily/regularly is the Humboldt Herald. I may begin to check in with Lost Coast Outpost. The TS now seems completely irrelevant. Sad.

  222. April 9, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Will blog for food.

  223. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    221 posts? Seems a few folk are a bit sensitive.

  224. Anonymous
    April 9, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Also, Mayor Snorkum at 5:55 makes a point. I will admit to a bit of that (though not in the extreme implied) and I know others who post here (anonymously) who qualify to some extent. “Deserved” was also a key word in this comment…although I would guess we differ as to what defines that label. The bottom line is that anonymity allows some of us the freedom to express opinions or even share knowledge without payback. Those who aren’t at the mercy of others in some way can’t really appreciate this luxury.

  225. skippy
    April 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Tra: those were very good posts and link. Yours truly will be reading the book. Thank you. Another unmasking? Heraldo’s positively seen here.

  226. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Thanks Skippy. And if you like what you read as much as I think you will, pass it on.

    By the way, Altemeyer also has a more recent essay with his take on the Tea Party movement. According to Altemeyer, the Tea Party is composed of, in large part, a somewhat uncomfortable marriage of the classic “right-wing authoritarians” that have been the subject of his life’s work, and the “other authoritarians,” which he calls the “social dominators.”

    The Social Dominators have a generally libertarian oritentation, with a particular emphasis on opposition to any attempts to increase equality, which they see as interfering with the “natural order” of dog-eat-dog competition by siphoning off the energy of the most successful people to subsidize those who the Social Dominators see as leeches on society. Sounds a bit like our pal HiFi, doesn’t it?

  227. tra
    April 9, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Altemeyer’s “Comment on the Tea Party Movement” can be found here:

    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment%20on%20the%20Tea%20Party.pdf

  228. Bien Padre
    April 9, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Damn. And I always wanted to be a social dominator.

  229. April 9, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Will dominate for food.

  230. Plain Jane
    April 9, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Fascinating reading, Tra. His test is much like the Political Compass, but he allows for agreement in part, but not all of a statement which they didn’t.

    Social Dominators like the Koch Bros, et al, controlling Authoritarians like the Tea Party seems like a match made in hell.

    Lots of reading to do.

  231. Mike Buettner
    April 9, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    I do like Richard’s Mickey Mouse shirt though.

  232. Liberal poser
    April 9, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Liberals are like drug addicts. Willing to let the body and soul go to hell for a little instant gratification. Maybe several years of it. But non-the-less trading some temporary selfish indulgence at the cost of long term health. It’s the same with their politics. Liberals are flushing America’s children down the toilet for selfish spending and personal indulgence. Or using a coat hangar to abort them before they have a chance to be born.

  233. Mike Buettner
    April 9, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Okay. But I still like Richard’s shirt.

  234. probortion
    April 10, 2011 at 12:05 am

    if there were more abortions in the world, we’d prolly have less interpersonal and global crises to deal with.

  235. Mitch
    April 10, 2011 at 7:37 am

    9:29,

    You don’t actually read the comments, do you? If you did, you’d understand that the number of comments on a thread often has little to do with people’s interest in the thread topic.

    Rose,

    Find that follow-up yet? Or are factoids sufficient?

    tra 9:11,

    Birtherism explained. Thank you.

    all fascinated by Milgram,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_prank_call_scam

    all,

    Yes, that’s the t-shirt. a rod he. Thank you DTS. Given that it’s unlikely a gender-neutral version of that phrase exists, there’s now a need for a female equivalent phrase. Given the limited pickings from Heraldo, perhaps you could work with “Humboldt’s Heraldo”.

  236. Plain Jane
    April 10, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Blog envy, Mitch.

  237. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 10, 2011 at 7:55 am

    The good thing about the Herald – All the varying opinions and positions. It is true – The Herald has evolved because of others and their “in their own words” presentations. Comparing then and now, one can realize the gift of communication and how a band of involved citizens has changed the “style” of how the Herald presents its communiques. This communication evolution has also affected (positively, mostly) other HH commenters as well. When more have a little something to share, all are usually better of for it.

    JL

  238. Plain Jane
    April 10, 2011 at 8:07 am

    I’ve been reading the book that Tra linked last night about Authoritarians. His findings are supported by decades of research and studies and explains why people vote against their own interests over and over; and the danger to democracies from these, essentially, mentally ill people.

    Here’s the link again for those who didn’t get it last night and don’t want to search for it:

    link

    And the link to an essay by the same author about the Tea Party specifically:

    link

  239. Gdog
    April 10, 2011 at 8:22 am

    I don’t know what I would do if someone had my personal information. It would be the worst thing ever. I have said so many things.

  240. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 10, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Plain Jane,

    Hypocracy AND Security National – PJ feels so bad and heartfelt stricken over people who lost their jobs, then goes on to elaborate and agree that homeowners got “ripped-off” by those business types and scams that hurt those very same homeowners. So, why would those who lost their SN job that processed “the hurting of homeowners” be sympathized for by Plain Jane unless to just look good as a local schmoozer.

    Hypocracy IS talking crud ABOUT the causes of the housing sector problems, but then turning around in an about face manner to protect, by and through sympathy, the minions and stool pigeons that gained by greed employments that only hurt the housing market, not to mention the overall inability for the financial sector to lend money when the books show increasing debt interests on unpaid principle balances – continuing the abuse knowing that re-payment problems are building.

    Employment is no excuse for for directly or indirectly “jacking people”! Words for the wise – choose carefully your career employments because “covering over” your employment abuses will not yield the same sympathetic social responsivenesses as past society WAS entrained to do!!! Evolution for us humanoids is at a crossroads of sorts, imo.

    A side note – just think of those vicitm individuals in the community that were hurt by those employees/businesses for whom are now getting sympathy for losing a job/service they had that actually hurt others. A mind bender for sure.

    PERSONAL GREED is selfishness. It is selfish to gain the way many in the financial markets did knowingly and willingly upon anothers abuse through dupings, scams, schemes and ruses.

    JL

  241. Big Al
    April 10, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Jeff,
    I think your post at 7:55 is one of your best!
    I admit I can’t always read all the way through most of your posts but that was a good one.

  242. Plain Jane
    April 10, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I don’t read any of Henchies’ posts, as I have told him repeatedly, so it’s sad that I see (while scrolling past them) that he still addresses me while knowing that I won’t read or respond to his crazy gibberish.

  243. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 10, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Plain Jane,

    Whatever, your just the invisible, all-knowing, can’t ever be wrong hypocrit, we all know.

    Anyhow, your back and forth posts still deserve corrections, needless to say.

    JL

  244. Mouth too dry to whistleblow
    April 10, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I went looking for Herwaldo online, but got scared off… really, I don’t want to know who you are!

  245. conservative posse
    April 10, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “Liberals are flushing America’s children down the toilet for selfish spending and personal indulgence.”, Liberal poser

    THEY ARE??? OMG! Don’t they know we conservatives have put our country into a state of never ending WAR?

    Don’t those women know WE CONSERVATIVES NEED THEIR BABIES TO FIGHT OUR WARS? How dare they deprive us of our most precious resource – CANNON FODDER!

    Hey, fellow cons, we need to DO something about this. How about we shut down the government until we gain total control over women’s bodies.

    Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, we’re already doing that.

  246. April 10, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    while we were whistling, Rome was burning!!
    April 9 Bob MOrris ooj over My Word and asked “Is the General Plan Update Rigged” Answer–
    Of Course It Is”
    April 10–2/3 page ad (very tasteful) signature
    Humboldt CPR–Are Your Rights Being Taken Away–Answer “Of Course They Are AGEED BY NINE GROUPESi–
    3 cities, 3 Chambers of Commerce,3 commnunity Service Districts.Adjacent o this ad. a news column clarifies
    the situation with Kirk Gerard and Jimmie Smith..
    The PR War is declared

  247. Plain Jane
    April 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    That should be in the GPU update thread, Jean. But I wonder how they all agreed on the same language without violating the Brown Act.

  248. Eric Kirk
    April 10, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    This is all pretty silly. Just thought I’d point that out.

  249. Through the Looking Glass
    April 10, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    The Humboldt Herald just spews hatred. He/she/they/it is just part of the powerful prog machine, like Richard Marks says at his union softball blog.

    I prefer the Humboldt Mirror, where they doctor pictures, and attack people for their physical characteristics. They are “moderate” Democrats (which means that they’re like the tea party, but with colorful humor). Anyway, they like Richard so they don’t make fun of how he looks.

  250. April 10, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    As the 2011 bloggers tournament champion I call a summit. Heraldo, Mirror bugs, meet me in my office. You both know where to find me.

  251. Gdog
    April 11, 2011 at 7:11 am

    Anybody know Arkley’s email addy. I can’t find it online and have some info for him he is looking for. Or his attorney email?

  252. Mitch
    April 11, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Gdog,

    Well, fortunately you’ve found the right place to look. Of all the gin joints in all the cities in all the worlds, you found the Herald?

    Here’s looking at you, gdog.

    But next time you should ask your question at talkingpointsmemo. It’s bigger.

  253. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 7:56 am

    The RWA’s seem to be making a concerted effort to intimidate, Mitch. Pathetic little brown shirts.

  254. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Here you go Dog:

    rarkley@gfys.com

  255. Mitch
    April 11, 2011 at 8:12 am

    RWAs?

  256. Mitch
    April 11, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Oh.

  257. Gdog
    April 11, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Now Jane, go F myself? Really. That isn’t very nice. Now why should you care about the Gdog Eka Topix account. It’s not like your Plain Jane postings ip match that account. Why that would be crazy talk.

  258. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Your post probably makes sense to you, Dog.

  259. Plaintruth
    April 11, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    The fact remains, despite apparent anonymity, people have a rhythm, a cadence to their speech issues surface – one reason why Salzman is so easily outed… “Jane” is a case in point – there are only a few, I’d guess less than 5, people in the county who have such vitriolic issues with Richard Marks. And they’re ALL on the Democratic Central Committee.

    And what has he done that is so egregious? Why, he dared run for office when they did not want him to. He dared voice an opinion that they did not sanction. He dared have friends who weren’t approved. He dared question.

    So, despite his lifelong history, he is not “pretty” enough, not “Dem” enough – not that “Dem” matters, as their willing embrace of lifelong Republican Bonnie Neely demonstrates. It is all show. All about who is useful.

    And for all the years that Richard Marks served and ran as a Democrat, he was never treated with such vile contempt by ANYONE on the right. Ever.

    Quite the contrary – the stark differences are clear, as the right continues to respect the man for his steadfast adherence to his convictions. We can have differences of opinion, and still have respect.

    And he is not the only one who has come to see the truth of this.

    And so it is that “Jane” outs herself. Like it or not as she howls about others wondering who she is – yet this is a game of her own making. She revels in it, uses her anonymity to attack him, and then recoils in mock horror when called on it. Oh, the delicious fun of it all. The wonderful sense of power it brings to strike from her anonymous perch. the kudos she receives from her cohorts who know and delight in the touche moment of it all.

    You can’t put the game in motion, playing coy, and then get upset because everyone wonders “Who is that?”

    And now, having revealed her inner id, she really does have reason to hide who she is.

    And so, the masquerade ball goes on, the calliope music sounds a bit strained, and the guests are getting cranky.

    In real life – once she is known – will she apologize to you, Richard (Marks)? Be interesting to know the answer.

  260. April 11, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    “…people have a rhythm, a cadence to their speech…”

    Is that why Plaintruth sounds so much like Rose?

  261. Inquiring minds
    April 11, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    4:49’s post looks an awful lot like Rose’s post on Richard’s site

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=30719375&postID=5249818584287257654

  262. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    No one does circular logic quite as well as Rose.

  263. April 11, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Gee, that clue and link were really helpful, “Inquiring Minds.” You want to explain it, or do you just count on our clairvoyance?

  264. Mayor Snorkum
    April 11, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Re part of “Plaintruth”‘s 4:49 comment. When it really comes down to it, most of this blogging (not just here, but Mirror, Watchpaul, samoasoftball, Fred, etc.) is just a game. It lets people emote, pound their chests, tear their hair, praise, vilify. All good “fun” I guess, but in the long run it’s all just playing to the other fish in the same pond. And most of the fish take their pond very seriously indeed.

    Every so often though, we get thoughtful, factual, insightful postings, ones that provide useful information, or a new way of looking at things. These step outside the game, and make it worthwhile sifting through the dross.

  265. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Rose said…
    The fact remains, despite apparent anonymity, people have a rhythm, a cadence to their speech issues surface – one reason why Salzman is so easily outed…

    From the link above. Rose posted the same thing at Samoasoftball.

  266. April 11, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Rose has wrongly accused many anonymous commenters of being Salzman. So much for her observance of cadence.

  267. Plain Jane
    April 11, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    She has also falsely accused me and others of being people we are not. Her powers of deduction are hilarious to see in motion though. She’s the cyber version of the Keystone Cops.

  268. April 11, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Her guessing skills are on par with her ability to understand actual facts.

  269. Anonymous
    April 12, 2011 at 7:24 am

    I really don’t see what the problem is. If Arkley really wants the Herald posting info, find out where the wordpress staff drinks after work, send in a private investigator. A few drinks and a thousand bucks should get him anything he wants. Somebody will have a coke habit. Standard stuff.

  270. April 12, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The comment by “Plaintruth” above was actually written by Rose but copied and posted here by Richard Marks. I guess he didn’t want to post it under his own name.

  271. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 9:34 am

    I am in my early 30’s and love playing sports. Richard Marks organizes local sports leagues that allow me and my friends to get together a couple of times a week for some healthy fun. Richard puts a lot of his time into these sports leagues. I would guess that there are over a thousand adults in Humboldt who participate yearly in leagues that Richard runs. It is a demonstration of a local person doing something that benefits his community. For that, I appreciate him. Those of you who continue to criticize him, what do you do that benefits the community?

  272. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Is Rose going to take him to task for plagiarism and making her look sneaky? HAHA!

  273. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Richard Marks was involved in sending out very misleading information designed to mislead voters into believing that the local Democratic Party had endorsed candidates which he supported, but they had not endorsed. No amount of softball activities will negate his demonstrated lack of integrity. His involvement in softball is due to his own interests, not those of the community. He’s a self-centered, deceitful, weasel.

    And no, contrary to some claims, I am not a HCDCC committee member. The very idea that the only people who get upset over political chicanery are those in leadership roles should be insulting to anyone who gives a rats ass about their community.

  274. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 10:23 am

    You supported Gallegos if I recall and he sent out misleading information regarding his status as a “professor.” Were you able to overlook Gallegos’s transgressions but not Richard Marks? If anything, shouldn’t Gallegos be held to a higher standard considering he is the district attorney?

  275. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Richard Marks was elected as a committee member by Democrats to represent them and he betrayed us. Splitting hairs as to whether someone is a professor or an adjunct professor isn’t betraying anyone. I supported Gallegos because he was better than his opponents, not because he was perfect.

  276. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 10:34 am

    “”I thought of myself as a professor, and I think my students did as well,” Gallegos said. “I didn’t realize there was a job category that says, ‘you are a lecturer.’”

    Gallegos said when issues were raised over his use of the term “professor,” he contacted HSU, learned of the distinction and immediately corrected his response to the Tea Party questionnaire.”

  277. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 10:48 am

    I’m not aware how Marks betrayed you. My point is that his service to the community is something I benefit from. I like that from local politicians and I find I rarely get it. From my point-of-view, you have people like Chris Kerrigan who have never contributed anything to the community and instead spend their time talking and posturing. Alternatively, you have the doers. I’ll take the doers (ie Marks) warts and all.
    By the way, speaks poorly of Gallegos’s intelligence and/or life awareness if he honestly didn’t know the difference between a guest lecturer and a college professor. It is funny how college professor sounds better and that happens to be the one he chose. Hhhmmm.

  278. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Where did you get the idea he was a guest lecturer? He taught a class at HSU for 2 years.

  279. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 11:06 am

    By putting “guest” in front of lecturer, I made his position title sound less important. Downplaying his position was a conscious decision on my part. Is it possible and even likely that his decision to make his title “lecturer” sound better by saying “professor” was also a conscious decision?

  280. April 12, 2011 at 11:54 am

    PJ: BS. I did not send out any misleading information. Everything was vetted before sent out. Name one untruth on any mailers I was involved in. If you are upset with mailers identifying Democrats that were supporting them, where is that misleading? I never said the Democratic party in any form was supporting candidates. In fact, these same mailers were done by Democrats soliciting Republicans well before my involvement.

    If you want to take me to the back of the woodshed for my community involvement, how about for my work with Humboldt Domestic Violence Services? Or my work with Samoa Peninsula Fire District? How about my involvement as President of Local 49? As President of Mad River Softball Association? Northern Californai Director for United States Sports Specialty Association. How about for the hundreds of children I have coached in athletics over the years.

    And I have just finished my first year as an elected official with the Humboldt Bay Harbor, Recreation and Conservation District.

    PJ: What have you done for your community? Mine have been done in public.

  281. Random Guy
    April 12, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back there, samoasoftball. We can’t all be Captain America’s like you. Based on your skewed views most of the time, I’m more concerned about what you’ve done TO our community within those lofty ranks of yours.

  282. Not A Native
    April 12, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Marks is all about seniority and incumbency, believing that being sports coach to kids is a qualification to represent the public as an official with authority. Well, it isn’t. What he doesn’t get is that one year of experience 20 times isn’t 20 years of experience.

    Marks is simply not very bright but believes he’s like Rex Bohn. But Marks isn’t Bohn. Being below average in intelligence isn’t a crime or even disrespectable. But you can’t expect people of below average intelligence to understand that. Why? Because they’re below average in intelligence.

  283. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Not A Native, what qualifies you to access other peoples’ intelligence? Are you one of those smart, sophisticated types that moves up from southern Cal and tells us country bumpkins about how life should be?
    Also, thanks for insulting a guy who participates in local non-profit activities and runs for public office. Anonymously making fun of someone on a computer is time much better spent. Go back to where ever not a native.

  284. Mitch
    April 12, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    “Teacher”,

    Try addressing a college lecturer with “Lecturer? Lecturer?” and see what sort of reaction you get. Try it with “Professor?” or “Doctor?” and see what sort of reaction you get.

    Then, you too will have life experience. And please stop using your phony pseudonym. Teacher, my ass.

  285. Mitch
    April 12, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    And “Teacher,”

    Why not try accessing your own intelligence. You are giving country-bumpkins everywhere a bad name.

  286. April 12, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Yes, I know Mr. A’s email but it’ll cost you plenty to get it. Wait! Where have I heard that line before?
    (I don’t really know it anyway)

  287. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    I’ll give you two free lessons Mitchell. You just sit there and be a good boy.
    First, you need a thing called a PhD to be considered a doctor. You can call anyone a doctor but unless they have a PhD., they’re not a real doctor. Thus, I wouldn’t call Gallegos a doctor. You can call him an astronaut if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy Mitchell, but it still won’t make him a doctor. Because he is not a professor, I would refrain from addressing him as such. I would call him Paul or Mr. Gallegos if I were to address.
    Your second lesson is about punctuation. When someone asks a question like, “Are you an idiot Mitchell?” you have to end the sentence with a question mark. Try using punctuation correctly next time Mitchell. It will trick people into thinking of you as a more intelligent person than you are.

  288. Mitch
    April 12, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    No need, “teacher”. That’s the sort of thing that’s mainly an issue for you. I feel sorry for you.

  289. Mitch
    April 12, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Have you met HiFi, teacher? You two should get together. Then you’d have wealth AND brains.

  290. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Thank you for your concern and for feeling sorry for me Mitch. I figured you were probably a compassionate, liberal type Mitch. Maybe you, HiFi, and I could all hangout together and listen to your Joan Baez collection, kick around the ole’ hacky sack, and plan to take down the evil Rob Arkley.

  291. Mitch
    April 12, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Not everyone gets to listen to my Joan Baez collection, “teacher”, and certainly you are not allowed anywhere near it.

    You and HiFi are a cure to anyone’s bleeding heart. If I may borrow a felicitous and apt phrase from Plain Jane, go fuck yourself.

  292. Teacher
    April 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    That was really mean “Mitch.” Also, notice “Mitch” that quotation marks go inside the punctuation. You’re making yourself look like a real “asshole!” “Mitch,” I hope you have a good rest of the day even though you have been less than pleasant.

  293. April 12, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Teacher probably wags his finger at people who end sentences with prepositions.

  294. skippy
    April 12, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Whew! Breathe in, breathe out. God, please give me some of dat serenity… NOW!!

    Thank you. Yours truly feels much better now.

    On a different note and a break from our current uglification, here’s the kinder quote from Chris Crawford’s memorial service yesterday, in case you missed it:

    “To laugh often and love much; to win the respect of intelligent persons and the affection of children; to earn the probation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty; to find the best in others; to give of one’s self; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to have played and laughed with enthusiasm and sung with exultation; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived— this is to have succeeded.”

    –Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

    Yeah, that about covers it. Now…back to the spats.

  295. Not A Native
    April 12, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    I think ‘Teacher’ claims his title by virtue of the brand of scotch he drinks. Clearly, he has no academic qualification.

    Paul Gallegos earned a J.D. diploma, Juris Doctorate. That diploma qualifies him to become an academic professor of law. In fact, Gallegos legitimately has the title of doctor, in addition to any other title an employer might assign him.

    FWIW aren’t band leaders regularly given the title of ‘professor’, and musicians given the title of ‘doctor’, in respect for their demonstrated skill and acomplishment, irrespective of their academic backgrounds? Along that line, we can assign the honorific title “Dummy” to the poster here who has exhibited little skill, certainly not that of a teacher.

  296. Plain Jane
    April 12, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    “Where ya’ll from?”

    “Where we don’t end our sentences with a preposition.”

    “Where ya’ll from, bitch?

  297. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 13, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Actually Teacher, there is another category of doctor that does not have a PhD. It would be those people that have a JD (look it up). And I am pretty sure that Gallegos has a JD (again, look it up).

    hint: almost every lawyer in California has a JD, but since it is a bit pretentious only a few of them refer to themselves as Dr. so and so. Those that do are often law school teachers.

  298. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 13, 2011 at 9:37 am

    oops, that is the problem with 300 post threads. sometimes you repeat what NaN already said.

    sorry.

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