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I am the light

He is risen.

  1. Walt
    April 24, 2011 at 7:18 am

    I don’t care if it rains or freezes
    ‘Long as I got my plastic Jesus
    Riding on the dashboard of my car
    Through my trials and tribulations
    And my travels through the nations
    With my plastic Jesus I’ll go far

    Plastic Jesus, plastic Jesus
    Riding on the dashboard of my car
    I’m afraid He’ll have to go
    His magnets ruin my radio
    And if I have a wreck He’ll leave a scar

  2. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 7:25 am

    LMAO at the photo! It seems odd that any believer would buy one of those since the switch placement borders on sacrilege and hints at pedophilia. ICK!

  3. Mae E. Bell
    April 24, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Ah. Glory hole. Now I get it.

  4. Mae E. Bell
    April 24, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God.
    Romans 15:17

  5. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Thanks to H I will forever view “glory holes” and “service to god” in a whole new light.

  6. Greg
    April 24, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Nothing says “Happy Easter” like Tom Waits singing “Chocolate Jesus” through a megaphone: http://youtu.be/1wfamPW3Eaw

  7. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 8:02 am

    PJ, it was never intended for purchase by Christian believers.

    I’m not sure now how it differs from burning the Koran.

    Yes, it’s very easy to snicker at a certain type of shallow belief, but Jesus can represent far more than that shallow belief to observant Christians, even to non-Christians.

    The Catholic Church is not Jesus. Neither are the televangelists and their dupes.

    Jesus is, for many, a symbol that suffering need not be meaningless, that hope is eternal, that kindness is always available.

    I have no problem with ripping into the Catholic Church, or any other group that pretends it has a direct line to God.

    I do have a problem with slapping believers in the face on what is, for them, a holy day.

    Cheap shot.

  8. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Lighten up, Mitch. Non-Christians are slapped in the face around every holiday the Christians “borrowed” from pagans. The spring celebration had nothing to do with Christianity but was offered to replace the forbidden pagan rites of rebirth and fertility to appease the people who refused to give them up entirely. When they respect the rights of non-believers without demonizing us, they will in turn deserve respect.

  9. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 8:30 am

    An eye for an eye, Jane?

  10. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 24, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Plain Jane says:
    April 24, 2011 at 7:25 am
    LMAO at the photo! It seems odd that any believer would buy one of those since the switch placement borders on sacrilege and hints at pedophilia. ICK!

    Response: Seems that habitualistic perverts tend to look at those private part areas in any aspect possible, even merchandise…. sickos!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 24, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Happy Easter YA’ll!!!!

    JL

  12. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 8:39 am

    No, Mitch. I don’t believe in the old testament either. When you put your beliefs on public display and demonize people who don’t share them (which the majority of Christians do), giving them respect just gives them more power. I don’t demonize Christians or people who believe in the Easter bunny or Santa Claus. Laughing at silly beliefs, whether they be political or religious (and often it’s hard to delineate between the two) is not slapping them in the face.

  13. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 24, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Good Words Mitch,

    Although I don’t believe in religion, nor GOD, but I do believe Jesus existed. Now, for the Roman fracks who liked crucifiction and PTSD abuses, strung bodies on crosses alongside roads leading to major metropolises and economic hubs, etc… Ya, anything Roman is tainted.

    JL

  14. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Furthermore, the “war on Christmas” hysteria is a punch in the gut to secularists who celebrate the winter holiday without religious trappings as is their attempt to stigmatize atheist children with their demands for prayer in school. Since Christians are the overwhelmingly majority in this country, you should be talking to them about respecting the rights of the minorities who don’t share their beliefs. As an aside, how many Christians spoke out against Obama being called a Muslim by saying it didn’t matter what his religion was rather than just denying he was a Muslim?

  15. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 8:53 am

    PJ,

    We disagree on this one. I found the switch-plate funny myself a few years ago.

    If your belief is “as it harm none, do as ye please,” I think this flunks that guideline as well.

    I don’t know where you get your statistics on Christian demonization of those who don’t share their beliefs. I hope it’s not from the same sources that are so authoritative on the majority of Muslims being terrorists.

    There are televangelists a-plenty who are well-deserving of mockery. The pope is a politician who is well-deserving of mockery. Religion as it is presented by many or most institutions is well-deserving of mockery, and I think George Carlin’s routine (below) is perfect.

    Jesus, like the Koran, like the Torah, like the Bamiyan Buddhas, is a symbol of hope and kindness.

  16. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    April 24, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Thanks Mitch,

    Too bad public educationalists would not want to have this video as part of the science curriculum.

    JL

  17. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Jesus was created by the Catholic Church, Mitch. How you can separate that from the rest of their doctrines is beyond me. Religious beliefs give people false hope in everlasting life if they submit to their church authorities and denigrates the value of all life. It is a twisted theology designed for control of the masses. Surrendering to religious dictatorship is as bad or worse than surrendering to political dictatorship. Which is worse, big brother watching you, threatening imprisonment or invisible father in the sky watching you threatening eternal agonizing pain? Both stifle humanity for power.

  18. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Atheists are the most despised and distrusted minority in the United States. Americans are more prejudiced and bigoted against atheists than any other group. This isn’t a subjective perception of atheists, it’s a fact that is reinforced by every study done on the subject. The reasons given for this bigotry are varied, but they are all also generally incorrect in their portrayal of atheists. Atheists are thus hated more for what people attribute to them than for what they really are.

    http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistactivism/p/BigotsAtheists.htm

    Gallup has been asking people about whether they would vote for atheists for president for quite some time. Here are the numbers who have said “no” over the years:

    February 1999: 48%
    August 1987: 48%
    April 1983: 51%
    July 1978: 53%
    December 1959: 74%
    September 1958: 77%
    August 1958: 75%

  19. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 9:10 am

    PJ,

    Have you read, for example, Elaine Pagel’s The Gnostic Gospels?

    In all seriousness, I’d give it a try. I’m not trying to evangelize, and I don’t believe in a personified God, let alone a personified God who takes human form. But I do believe in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount.

    The Catholic Church came well after Jesus.

  20. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 9:13 am

    PJ,

    If you go to Amazon, you can read the first few pages for free.

  21. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 9:18 am

    So they claim, Mitch. But with their conventions to rewrite the “gospels,” throw out what didn’t fit their agenda and add more that did, and considering that there is no contemporaneous evidence that Jesus existed (not even Josephus), no mention in any of the still existing communiques between Palestine and Rome which even hint at this savior, there is a lot of doubt that he even existed. “The Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls” (can’t remember the author now but she was a biblical scholar who studied them for something like 40 years) makes a great case for “Jesus” being a group of itinerant preachers, not a single person who claimed to be the son of god. Look up “peshers.”

    The Sermon on the Mount added nothing to the Golden Rule which predates any currently existing religions by thousands of years.

  22. Farmer
    April 24, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Magic bunny… planting eggs in bushes…

  23. Mark Sailors
    April 24, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Children,
    One day you will learn everything about Santa Claus. On that day, remember everything the adults have told you about Jesus.

  24. Mark Sailors
    April 24, 2011 at 9:22 am

    ’nuff said

  25. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 9:23 am

    The Sermon on the Mount added nothing to the Golden Rule which predates any currently existing religions by thousands of years.

    I’ll take it any way someone wants to offer it.

    I’m surprised to hear you assert that there is no evidence for a historical Jesus, but I’m no scholar on the subject. More than that, I don’t really care.

  26. a non
    April 24, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Remember that poll last year showing that atheists know more about religions than do religious people? Seems that atheists understand the tenets of Christianity better than Christians do.

    I think this is where Mitch is coming from. Nothing wrong with keeping the TRUE faith. Even pagans had that. And still do.

  27. Ed
    April 24, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I’m all for martyr-dumb but this is religulous!

  28. Bolithio
    April 24, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Thank you Greg. “Immaculate Confection” – Fantastic!

  29. Dave Short
    April 24, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Theres nothing round and virgin than a boy willin to explore and you be the teacher. Pedo should not be bustable offence. Peace.
    D.

  30. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Bunnies and eggs are residuals of the ancient rites of fertility and rebirth in the spring just as “Christmas” trees and gift giving are for the winter celebration, Farmer. People don’t like to give up their ancient traditions so churches incorporate them into the religions they use to oppress the masses to make them more palatable. That and killing heretics works quite well for their agenda.

  31. Dancing
    April 24, 2011 at 9:41 am

    And I thought my vintage
    toothbrush shaped like a pistol was in poor taste. Man, oh man, the shlock they made out of plastic in the 50’s.

    Thanks for the sacrilegious chuckle this morning.

  32. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 9:46 am

    There’s nothing wrong with the Sermon on the Mount unless you believe that “Jesus” was the first to enunciate it and that it came from the invisible sky daddy, Mitch. The Golden Rule isn’t some religious commandment from a god but a common sense ethic that enables civilization to survive. Although, from reading the Old Testament, it was definitely not an ethics system valued by early Jews.

  33. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:04 am

    PJ,

    Here’s a link to the golden rule as stated in the books of 21 religions: http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc2.htm

    As to 6,000-year-ago Judaism, context is important. Many argue that the story of Abraham and Isaac, horrific to our ears, was an advance over the rituals of the times, which might well have required human sacrifice. From that perspective, the bottom line of the story is that Abraham was stopped by the mysterious voice.

    Rabbi Hillel lived at approximately the time of Jesus and also explicitly preached the golden rule; his version is one of those listed on the religioustolerance site: http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc2.htm.

    There’s a huge difference between the actions of religious people and institutions and the values offered at the core of most religions. People are people; institutions, unfortunately, act like institutions.

  34. Walt
    April 24, 2011 at 10:05 am

    How else would you power the Holy Filament?

  35. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:07 am

    BTW, the quotes at the first link were for A-J, they continue at a different link for K-Z:
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc3.htm

  36. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:11 am

    And from my personal favorite “religious document,” whatever that means:

    http://www.wussu.com/laotzu/laotzu49.html

    Tao Te Ching – Lao Tzu – chapter 49

    The sage has no mind of his own.
    He is aware of the need of others.

    I am good to people who are good.
    I am also good to people who are not good.
    Because Virtue is goodness.
    I have faith in people who are faithful.
    I also have faith in people who are not faithful.
    Because Virtue is faithfulness.

    The sage is shy and humble – to the world he seems confusing.
    Men look to him and listen.
    He behaves like a little child.

  37. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 10:15 am

    The story of Abraham is about a father not killing his son. The stories of the Old Testament are full of massacres of non-believers, rape and looting and seizure of lands, demonizing the inhabitants for financial gain.

  38. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Yes. And other things as well.

  39. Mitch
  40. 06em
    April 24, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Happy Easter from Supply-side Jesus!

  41. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 10:37 am

    God bless all of you especially you PJ.

  42. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:38 am

    06em,

    Now that’s a parody I can love!

    Without a doubt, supply side Jesus is the object of worship of today’s “religious right.”

    Thanks.

  43. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I’ve read the Songs of Solomon, Mitch. I actually know someone who can read them in their original language, Babylonian. The Song of Solomon is a ritual song of the old Fertility Rite of Astarte, circa 550 b.c.

  44. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 10:54 am

    OK. And part of the Old Testament.

  45. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 10:55 am
  46. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:02 am

    The sage is shy and humble

    LOL! Some of the most ridiculous of the self-righteous moralists are the Tao Te Ching thumpers.

  47. What Now
    April 24, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Probably the single greated tragedy in history was bringing the “gawd-uh” of Abraham out of the desert.
    Nothing but grief has come of that myth/hallucination in ALL it’s guises.

  48. a non
    April 24, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Supply side Jesus is too real to be funny. Every “pro-life” warmonger in congress should be made to watch it. Three times.

  49. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:07 am

    PJ,

    I don’t doubt that Judeo/Christian/Islamic institutions co-opted parts of Goddess and/or nature religions and suppressed other parts. I’d be surprised if Goddess and/or nature religions did not co-opt parts of their predecessors, whatever they may have been.

    My point was that the Old Testament includes more than just rape, murder, and pillage. And that Jesus is more than just a rallying cry for the religious right.

    I don’t disagree with you if your point is that some of today’s leading religious institutions are largely hostile to the values their founding documents often assert.

    But I don’t think there’s any need to assert that the founding documents are without wisdom and beauty. If the wisdom and beauty was incorporated from predecessors, that’s fine.

    I’m sorry if I’m coming across as “p”atronizing, that’s not my intent.

    Happy Spring! We’re all reborn.

  50. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Oh, suzy!

    Do you judge every idea by the people who thump it?

  51. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Did you see my post and link above as to the hostility non-Christians have towards non-believers, Mitch? That they are mimicking what they are taught in church doesn’t make their hostility any less unpleasant.

  52. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:12 am

    oops, minus one non- before Christians.

  53. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Is 69er’s taunt not disrespectful, Mitch?

  54. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:20 am

    PJ,

    Sure. Many believers don’t like the idea of an atheist as President.

    My guess is these are the people who think they only behave because they are scared of retribution, so they figure everyone is that way.

    If it weren’t Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam, or , these people would find another home from which they could lash out and try to make others behave according to the set of rules they choose. Maybe Stalinism.

    But (I believe) there’s a baby in there amidst the bathwater, and I think lots of believers are more interested in the baby than the bathwater. George Carlin and Supply Side Jesus strike me as funny because they parody those who believe in (what I consider) bathwater.

  55. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:20 am

    And, yes, 69ers taunt is disrespectful. So?

  56. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:26 am

    If Rose Welch believed in Jesus, she would not spew her hatred of Muslims.

  57. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I’m surprised to hear you assert that there is no evidence for a historical Jesus, but I’m no scholar on the subject.

    It’s true. Once you exclude Christian religious texts, there is no historic evidence for Jesus. Historians of the time who wrote about the regions Jesus inhabited/visited make no mention of him — a glaring omission give the ruckus he supposedly made. When this is pointed out, Christian theologians will cite 2 or 3 vague references to an important person, but nothing that would distinguish that person as Jesus vs. other people. You, like always, have to take it on faith.

    There is more historical evidence for Hercules than Jesus, not that it makes Hercules any more real.

    Jesus, like the Koran, like the Torah, like the Bamiyan Buddhas, is a symbol of hope and kindness.

    Jesus’ teachings were that of a common thug. The man with the gun says, give me your possessions or I’ll kill you. I don’t want to kill you, and if I do, it’s your fault for not following my instructions. Jesus says love me, or I will torment you for eternity by sending you to Hell. I don’t want to torture you, and it’s your fault if I do. Christian teachings are perverse, with great dollops of self-loathing… by default, humans are flawed and need saving … it was this belief that led Mother Teresa to fund a place of death (not a hospital) where people suffered because only through suffering can you know Jesus. All those $ millions were spent on nunneries to create more perverse religious leaders.

  58. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Just pointing it out, Mitch. I am sick to death of all the “god bless yous” that automatically erupt from the mouths of religious people when you do a good deed, as if god is the only possible motivation for doing good. I’m sure if I replied and “satan (or the goddess) bless you” they would be insulted, yet they do unto others as they would not have done unto them all the time.

  59. Big Al
    April 24, 2011 at 11:32 am
  60. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Take it any way you want, it was sincere. I even say it when a person sneeses, all for good.

  61. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:40 am

    This was posted recently elsewhere and it seems to be in line with this thread…

  62. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:40 am

    So if I said in return “Allah, satan or the goddess bless you,” you would appreciate it, 69er?

  63. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:41 am

    11:28,

    If you don’t believe humans are flawed, we just don’t see the world the same way.

    I’d really love a good saving; I just don’t expect it to come from the folks who have it on offer.

    When I look inside myself, I see what most religions assert — that I have a capacity for both good and evil, and that I don’t act for good nearly as often or as deeply as some part of me would like. Or perhaps it’s just that I see that I don’t act for good but would still like to think some part of me would like me to.

    If the words “good” and “evil” don’t work for you, I think you can substitute “selfish” and “selfless” without changing the concept at all.

  64. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 11:47 am

    That nearly all religions assert that which most people believe based on real life experience (all humans are flawed) doesn’t give them any more credence than if they said the earth revolves around the sun (which their holy book doesn’t say, btw).

  65. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 11:50 am

    69er,

    Just so you know, when some religious people say “god bless you,” especially to someone who they know is not religious or is actively anti-religious, many of us don’t take it as a polite offer of good will. We often think it’s clear from context when the phrase is sincere and when it is passive aggressive. We may often be wrong.

    The same for “I’ll pray for you” and “I love you, but I hate your sin.” I generally find both expressions offensive, especially when offered to a non-Christian. I sometimes expect that when I hear “I love you” from certain people, it’s just an abbreviation of the latter expression, with the last half left off out of politeness. Personally, I’d be happier for the person to just say nothing and leave me alone.

    Those members of my Jewish family who live in the South have stopped quietly grinding their teeth when they are thanked with the phrase “that’s mighty Christian of you.” Instead, they say they don’t believe in Christianity, but they’re glad if the person means they were behaving kindly.

  66. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I wasn’t judging the ideas in the book, Mitch, I was finding irony in the snooty self-righteous arrogance of the people who, from my experience, always have a handy quote from the Teo Te Ching that somehow, in their mind, fits whatever the situation is at hand.
    As far as the book itself goes, to my way of thinking, it’s trash. If you think your on “the path” –your lost.

  67. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:57 am

    you’re

  68. a non
    April 24, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    The religious zealots who have hijacked our government say that without the bible to guide our behavior, everyone would behave badly.

    Remember all the noise they made a few years ago about wanting the ten commandments displayed in government buildings? Remember how one of the loudest of these neo-cons could only cite one of those commandments?

  69. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    suzy,

    No need to read it, then. God bless you. I’ll be praying for you.

  70. Decline To State
    April 24, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I think Gandhi said it best when he said, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.”

  71. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    God bless you. I’ll be praying for you.

    Fuck you.

  72. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    See, 69er, that’s exactly what I was talking about.

  73. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    As an example as to how fast a religion can be created and grow based on nothing but hucksterism and co-opting the existing beliefs of followers to make it palatable, see the Mormon Church.

  74. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Was raised a Christian, have a brother who is an atheist, a sister who is Jewish, a sister who is agnostic, a sister who is devout Christian and me a believer in a supreme being unknown who will not participate in organised religion of ant type. Will respect all beliefs other than radicanism of any kind and sincerely believe that PJ is a genuine BITCH.

  75. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    radicalism (sp)

  76. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Would you say that to her face, 69er?

  77. Big Al
    April 24, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I think if we all acted more like Jesus and less Christian it would be a wonderful world, us hippies walked his path but is is so difficult to sustain.
    long hairs now are posers, its just a fashion.

  78. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    No need to read it, then.

    No Mitch, you might still want to pull it out now and then and re-read it. It’s easy and it has a nice rhythm to it that can be pleasantly hypnotic. So, by all means, especially if it gives you comforting feelings in your time of deep need -go ahead and brainwash yourself.

  79. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    He probably would, Mitch. He’s one of those patriarchal types who thinks any woman who stands up to him is a bitch. You see his reaction when I said, essentially, the same thing to him that he said to me? I would be very interested in the correlation between right wing authoritarian followers and patriarchal religionists. I would bet money that the majority are the same people.

  80. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I think she’s bitchin’!

  81. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    All us bitches think alike, Suzy.

  82. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Yep, we all think exactly the same. You’re either with the bitches or you’re not –right?

  83. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve found a handy quote from the Tao that I think perfectly fits the situation at hand:

    Tao Te Ching – Lao Tzu – chapter 43

    The softest thing on the universe
    Overcomes the hardest thing in the universe.
    That without substance can enter where there is no room.
    Hence I know the value of non-action.

    Teaching without words and work without doing
    Are understood by very few.

    I always find the Tao comforting.

  84. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    I think Mitch needs to learn the value of not posting so many blog comments.

  85. Mitch
    April 24, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    That’s chapter 287.

  86. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    LOL Suzy! I do wish 69er (love his name – hate his views) had explained what was particularly bitchy or radical about my posts; but will have to surmise that he didn’t appreciate the revelation that he is a self-righteous hypocrite who thinks his views on what is radical have any relevance as to whether or not any beliefs are radical. I mean, anyone who believes his god’s ghost raped a woman and she gave birth without sex to the son of god, arose from the dead, walked around after he died and ascended to heaven is about as crazy as it gets. But I should thank him for proving my point about the hatefulness of Christians toward other beliefs.

  87. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Come on, Suzy. This is a conversation taking place at a distance. We don’t complain when friends have back and forth discussions face to face, but somehow when it is done on a blog people have to get all critical about how often someone posts. It doesn’t interfere with anyone else making their point, unlike in face to face situations, so its all good.

  88. April 24, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    suzy blah blah says:
    April 24, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    “I think Mitch needs to learn the value of not posting so many blog comments.”

    AMEN! …and pass the ammunition.

  89. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I think people who post just to complain about how much other people post should refrain from posting. If you can’t refute what is said, it just make you look the fool to count the posts as if that has any relevance at all.

    Now, as to inspirational reading, I highly recommend “The Lives of Cells.” The “miracles” that occur every second all around us which can be observed with the naked eye, such as the uncanny ability of communal insects to communicate complex ideas like how termites working in 2 teams build perfect arches and bees transmit maps to flowers are much greater than religious myths without any evidence to support them.

  90. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Jane, I wasn’t talking about your posts, or anyone else’s really. I love your posts, they are one of the main reasons I come here, the more the better. And of course there needs to be lots of other posts by posters posting prolifically to feedback off of. I was talking about those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Suzy doesn’t mind someone with a big ego, specially if it’s put to creative use. But when someone uses their ego to promote a philosophy which is about “selflessness” … I just think it’s a funny contradiction. I think Mitch is well aware of the humor within the contradiction too. And, not that I think he is one, necessarily, but a person who’s all “enlightened”, all puffed up, maybe dressed in all white, etc, while all the time preaching about the virtue of selflessness, well … you get the picture. That’s why I commented upon someone “talking” about the virtues of being quiet. I’d like to see Carlin or someone do a bit on it.

    But underneath the surface of it, my observation is that the whole philosophy of being self-less to begin with, says, be thou a cookie-cutter model of the ideal set in this here Book (so that we can more easily control you). Never mind any insight which inspires a purpose you may have discovered within yourself towards a real valuable interaction with society. That’s too messy, just be humble and shy, and follow along with the other sheep.

  91. prajna
    April 24, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    suzy, it would be hard for George Carlin to do any bit right about now cause he’s dead. Probably “roasting” in hell and loving every minute of it.

  92. Not A Native
    April 24, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    For me, I found this thread pretty interesting.

    Yep, Mitch and PJ have made lots of comments but they aren’t just repeating the same thing more and more forcefully. I’d comment on the topic, but upon reflection, don’t really have anything I’d like to add. BTW, I think H. featured this picture before…

    And I don’t find any meltdowns here where someone posts, and then a few minutes later, without a reply, posts nearly the same thing again. Like they’re worked up, obsessed, and just MUST BE HEARD “And another thing….”.

  93. a non
    April 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    “someone “talking” about the virtues of being quiet. I’d like to see Carlin or someone do a bit on it.”

    The bit: Say and do nothing.

  94. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I see, well then how about W C Fields?

  95. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I’m sure he is aware, Suzy. But Mitch is one of, if not the, most tolerant and non-judgmental people I’ve encountered online. I think he, (just like pretty much everyone) strives to live up to his own ideals while recognizing that he is only human. We are all the sum total of everything we’ve experienced in life. Sharing opinions and debating their validity can add to our understanding of each other – which is real life experience. I think blogs are particularly effective because everyone has an equal opportunity to have their say and all have the chance to respond and you don’t have to “hear” anyone you choose not to. It never works that way in real world.

  96. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    If only we understood the essence of all the religious teachings and mythologies.

    Everyone is god. Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, me, you, birds, fish, termites, bacteria.

    All manifestations with multitudinous forms of awareness.

  97. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    he, (just like pretty much everyone) strives to live up to his own ideals

    You can leave me out.

  98. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    if only, do you dress in all white?

  99. prajna
    April 24, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Tolerance is not a basic component of religion. You are damned and hence deserve to die, if you do not “believe” in whatever doctrine being preached. Throughout history wars, persecution and suffering are the result of the struggle for religious supremacy.

  100. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Time for me to be out of here, I am not up to this. will continue to follow the blog in silence. My apologies to PJ and my alias here has nothing to do with my age, all women are not bitches.

    “I mean, anyone who believes his god’s ghost raped a woman and she gave birth without sex to the son of god, arose from the dead, walked around after he died and ascended to heaven is about as crazy as it gets. But I should thank him for proving my point about the hatefulness of Christians toward other beliefs.”

    Totally in error, did you not see what my family consists of? We siblings are very tolerant of one another and meet annually for at least a week and have an enjoyable time reminiscing about our past and present. My only beef is about radicalism as I said before.

  101. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    You are damned and hence deserve to die, if you do not “believe” in whatever doctrine being preached.

    That’s what I meant when I said, if your on “the Path” –your lost.

    Check out Non-Doctrinism: by the non-docter, suzy blah blah. 79.99 hardcover with pictures.

  102. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    No hard feelings, 69er. Maybe if you were specific about what you define as radical, we could have a better discussion. But the “I’ve got black friends” tactic just doesn’t work. I’ve got evangelical Christian friends and family but we NEVER talk about religion.

  103. if only
    April 24, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    no, suzy, I dress in 4 inch heels, a yellow wig and a tight 6 inch skirt. I hang out on street corners. No, I’m in overalls and covered with mud.

    Is pondering the nature of life the same as belonging to a cult that dresses funny?

    We’re all made of the same cosmic dust.

  104. Not A Native
    April 24, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Gotta say Suzy that being ‘cooperative’ with my own species isn’t at all to me like being controlled or regimented. In my worldview I find the thing in myself that makes me feel most human is being able to totally cooperate without losing my individual identity and sense of uniqueness and specialness.

    PJ mentioned cells, termites and bees as inspirational for their cooperative and performance abilities. Of course, cells, and bee and termite colonies are biologically a single entity. Autonomous animals (like humans) are inbued with a Darwinian competitive sense of self that makes bee type cooperation impossible and feel uncomfortable(controlling, demeaning). But IMHO, what has given humans our current evolutionary place is the ability to be not only fiercely competitive but to also to be even more fiercely cooperative.

    I think humans are most successful when we’re acting most cooperatively. And thats a challenge because behaving competitively takes much less effort. Theres a constant inner conflict in people over this and I think religion is a trick people have learned to help make cooperation easier.

  105. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Well, If, you sound pretty confident about that, not the dress, wig, and overhauls, the part about we’re all God. But Suzy disagrees. I see absolutely no good reason to subscribe to that.

  106. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    the thing in myself that makes me feel most human is being able to totally cooperate without losing my individual identity and sense of uniqueness and specialness.

    I’m with you, but only if the individual identity and sense of uniqueness and specialness comes first, and the cooperative shit second.

  107. prajna
    April 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    yes suzy, I agree. It is apparent that your identify and sense of uniqueness and specialness come first for you.

  108. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    It certainly is a “trick” to get people to obey the rules, Nan. It has also been very effective in pacifying the downtrodden who are promised a better life in the next world for their suffering in this one – if they follow the rules, of course.

  109. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Prajna, The test for tolerance is Suzy’s special shiny unique Ness. It breaks all the toleration records. But, truly, your uniqueness and specialness come first for me too.

  110. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    … behaving competitively takes much less effort.

    I might make a bumper sticker.

  111. prajna
    April 24, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Jane, there has been discussion that the belief in god was a stage in the development of man’s consciousness. Human’s where at an initial stage of subsistence. All their attention and energy went into staying alive. Then man’s consciousness expanded and man’s attention expands also. At this stage arose a belief that “something” or “someone” created this place. This stage is really magical thinking, as many culture provide equally as many “theories” for creation. As consciousness expands in man, the next stage is the creation of “nations”. It is at this stage where the “nation” coops “religion” and uses it as a means to control populations.

  112. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    I agree, Prajna. I find the development of religions to be particularly fascinating, especially the leap from the natural matriarchal force giving birth to everything – to the patriarchal force of domination through strength. A really fascinating book is Rianne Eisler’s The Chalice and the Blade.

  113. prajna
    April 24, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    The next stage in the evolution of man’s conscious produced “business”. At this stage, “business” coops this “nation”. It is useful at this point to understand in politics how one party as taken the message of “religion” and “nationalism” into their rhetoric in order to manipulate. The next stage in the evolution of man’s consciousness is an awareness of his environment.
    Of course individuals evolve at different paces, so that we can see all stages in existence at the same time. Also, man at one stage of consciousness has an awareness of the preceding stages, but not of those above him.

  114. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    the natural matriarchal force giving birth to everything – to the patriarchal force of domination through strength.

    Power from within = creativity
    Power from without = domination

  115. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    And worship of the feminine magic of giving pleasure and birth. What is more powerful?

  116. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    What is more powerful?

    Uh, The Path?

  117. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    When do you think humans started seeking “the path,” Suzy?

  118. April 24, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I saw Jesus walking down Broadway the other day. He looked like he’s been drunk for a week.

  119. So it goes
    April 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    What is more powerful?
    Uh, The Path?

    That’s the truly depressing thing about religion. Watch this video and a Christian is likely to feel an overwhelming sense of beauty, attributing it to a god, and be done with it. When an atheist watches the video, he is likely to feel an overwhelming sense of beauty, attributing it to the natural laws of the universe, and not be done with it. There is always more to learn and understand, but religion makes people satisfied with not knowing.

    Watch this video of Neil DeGrasse Tyson where he hits upon religion replacing investigation. The world’s greatest thinkers, who accomplished great strides in scientific knowledge, would stop when they hit a difficulty in their calculations. It must be the hand of god they thought. Oh, well, that’s all there is then.

  120. So it goes
    April 24, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Oh, and of course, this point plays into why so many religious people distrust science. They embrace a ‘god of the gaps’ and those gaps continue to shrink as human knowledge advances. The people not unsettled by science have redefined their meaning of god, rationalized how to fit their superstitions into today’s society.

  121. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Sorry I can’t read all 160 flipping comments…but, am I mistaken when I am guessing you woudn’t ( H ), rish a G-Hade, or the wrath of the Muslim coming after your arz? Pick a holiday, any holiday of their’r and give em your “real” address. DOUBIT IT, cs.

  122. So it goes
    April 24, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    True 5:31. Put an atheism or Islamic bumper sticker on your car and you’ll only have your car keyed for $1,000 worth of damage because Christian zealots are cowards. They prefer to prey on women seeking help from Planned Parenthood or to vote to deny basic human rights for people different than themselves.

  123. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    I saw Jesus walking down Broadway the other day. He looked like he’s been drunk for a week.

    Movie, that’s good, it’d sound good in D … but you should complete the verse, and write a 2nd verse, and then take Jesus to a bridge, Jesus could have some delirious wine visions where he imagines he’s standing at the beginning of a bridge, the bridge goes off into the fog, and then have an interesting nexus, where, in the video, Jesus staggers onto the bridge and there’s a car crash on the freeway below which jars the bridge and Jesus falls onto one of the cars, he gets crucified to the grill of a Toyota as it crashes into an oil tank. Let’s see, what rhymes with ‘week’? I can play tambourine.

    Jane, I don’t have an answer to that. Do you have a link, or a book you’d recommend?

  124. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Sorry, Suzy. I’m still trying to figure out what you mean by “the path.”

  125. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    I don’t have time to explain everything, Jane. I have to make a living, you know, I’m working late on Easter Sunday and blogging for relaxation on my breaks.

  126. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I’m working late on Easter Sunday

    Are you (1) not a Christian, are you (2) sinning, or have you (3) creatively redefined the tenants of your religion to fit your lifestyle as almost all Christians do?

  127. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Me TOO, Suzy. Thanks for making my breaks more enjoyable.

  128. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    If only Suzie knew what Suzie thinks, she would not be spinning, dodging and weaving.

    Yeah Suzie, you are special. But you’re still a minuscule piece of cosmic dust in a universe you can’t begin to comprehend. Is there really any within and without? Think about that, in the context of science.

    Dark matter, dark energy. There is nothing but space and probabilities. But, yes, your particular spaciness is unique. Dogmatically so.

  129. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Suzy is NOT a Christian –what aren’t you?

  130. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Oh, and Suzie, I noticed you put a capital “G” on god, whereas I did not. You see, not everyone has the same context when they use that loaded word. Are you trapped in your own context?

  131. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Whatever, If Only.

  132. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Whatever… thinking is so difficult. At least, that’s what the Christians have shown us.

    Some of us thrive on it. Others just say…whatever.

  133. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I imagine a lot of people say it to you.

  134. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    And to you (or behind you) it’s blah blah blah

  135. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    gee, If, that must be how it happened that they decided to stick me with this name.

  136. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Suzy is NOT a Christian –what aren’t you

    In recorded human history, there have been several thousand gods. Suzy, we are both atheists. I just lack belief in one more god than you.

  137. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    You avoided my question.

  138. if only...
    April 24, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    “that must be how it happened that they decided to stick me with this name.”

    “They”? Didn’t Suzie ask Suzie what Suzie thought before Suzie posted the Suzie blah blah……blah?

  139. Oldphart
    April 24, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    So this is how you folks wanna spend Easter. Whatever.

  140. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    gosh, your always two steps ahead, how do you do it? your logic is tough, I give up, there’s no fooling you, you are just too smart for me.

  141. Anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    what aren’t you?

    Sorry Suzy, I didn’t realize you were serious. It’s a bit silly to have to label myself, like if I don’t believe in unicorns or dragons do I need to have a name for that unbelief? Yet, I’m supposed to have a name for unbelief in gods. You would label me an atheist.

  142. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    if I don’t believe in unicorns or dragons do I need to have a name for that unbelief?

    Stating your un-beliefs says a lot more about where you’re coming from then your beliefs do.

  143. anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Suzy, stating you beliefs says a lot more about where you’re coming from than your beliefs do.

  144. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Thanks So it goes, that is beautiful and the only thing here that makes sense!!!

  145. 69er
    April 24, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    I was speaking of the video of course. Beautiful and awesome!!!

  146. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Suzy, stating you beliefs says a lot more about where you’re coming from than your beliefs do.

    Absolutely. I always say, first state your beliefs as to light the path behind you so you can see where you came from and who you were, so that then you can turn around and put your behind where it belongs and be free to be what you would seem to be, ie, never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.

  147. Plain Jane
    April 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    It was beautiful, 69er. It makes me get lost in wonder of the cosmos, all those billions of billions of stars, the unimaginable distances is overwhelming. And then I think, here we are, near the edge of a remote galaxy on a tiny planet brimming with an amazing diversity of life, species within species in symbiotic relationships, each species adapting over the eons into a niche for survival. Magic is boring in comparison.

  148. anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Susy you care correct. You must first understand what you believe in order to light the path behind you; but it is how you light the path in front of you. Perhaps it is not so important to worry about what other people might think about you? Perhaps it is more important for us to concentrate on where we are going?

  149. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    It all depends on where you want to get to. .

  150. anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Perhaps everything takes the same amount of attention?

  151. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    That’s a balanced way of looking at things, like the Jesus light-switch.

  152. anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    agreed

  153. suzy blah blah
    April 24, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    But it’s more intense to pay attention to it when it’s switched up, cuz the lights on.

  154. anonymous
    April 24, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    exactly we need to pay attention

  155. Mitch
    April 25, 2011 at 7:05 am

    Thanks Terge Sorgjerd, for that wonderful gift.

    And thanks to So it goes, 69er, PJ for sharing it.

    The video is truly spectacular: http://vimeo.com/22439234

  156. Anonymous
    April 25, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s ‘sermon’ on the majesty of the universe.

    Magic is boring in comparison.

    That’s just it PJ. The iron in your blood and the iron in meteorites have common origin in the centers of high-mass stars. We are in the universe and the universe is in us. The only ‘path’ we have in life is the one we make for ourselves and it has no supernatural influence.

    Stating your un-beliefs says a lot more about where you’re coming from then your beliefs do

    It pegs me as a rational person who makes decisions based upon evidence instead of superstition. I accept that.

  157. suzy blah blah
    April 25, 2011 at 8:18 am

    exactly we need to pay attention

    Yes but the problem I have in paying attention is that everything is soooo boring. Like that video that Mitch pasted. How anyone can call a bunch of sped up glossy nature photos set to a pretty tune spectacular is beyond my comprehension. It’s the most mediocre and monotonous thing I’ve seen sense that magazine I read in the waiting room at the dentist’s office, ew.

  158. Mitch
    April 25, 2011 at 8:37 am

    suzy, people are bored by different things.

    Did you by any chance read the description of how it was filmed and what you were seeing?

  159. suzy blah blah
    April 25, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Mitch, I don’t like the attitude you assume when you talk to me. Like using my name and then stating the obvious, “suzy, people are bored by different things.”
    It sounds condescending, like you’re talking to a little child. Of course people are bored by different things. When I say it’s sooo boring, I mean boring to me. It’s just one person’s opinion that she made on a blog, I thought that was obvious, okay? Of course I read the description. The whole thing was a waste of my time, except to remind me of how much more mediocre work we’ll be seeing shoved towards us as the internet becomes swamped with people equipped with nice modern technology but no vision or aesthetic.

  160. Anonymous
    April 25, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Suzy, what precisely did you come here to discuss?

  161. 69er
    April 25, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Speaking of boring, suzy blah blah, nothing more need be said!!!

  162. suzy blah blah
    April 25, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Suzy, what precisely did you come here to discuss?

    Read my comments in the thread.

  163. if only...
    April 25, 2011 at 9:58 am

    What is more boring than an unformed mind releasing its blahs into the universe. While thinking it is profound.

  164. Mitch
    April 25, 2011 at 10:00 am

    suzy, I’m sorry if I might in any way have been part of your wasting your time. It’s interesting attempting to engage with you, but I’m done for now.

  165. Anonymous
    April 25, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Mitch, it’s her attempt at ‘winning’ the discussion. Having an open and honest discussion about religion vs. reality is not something she’s prepared to handle at this time in her life. The indoctrination runs a little too deep.

  166. suzy blah blah
    April 25, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Not trying to win anything anonymous, just sharing my opinion of the video.

  167. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm

  168. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    But to be a little less esoteric and a bit more on topic (the topic, lest we forget, is a light switch cover with suggestive depictions of Jesus and children) I have no problem with this what so ever.

    First of all, it is not like burning a Koran (I also have no problem with that, though I think is dumb, cus someone might get killed). It seems to me that it is obviously a Catholic Jesus as it has the sacred heart pendant. Could be wrong here, but I think that is the symbol.

    As the Catholic Church has been clearly shown to have protected and thereby promoted pedophiles for generations now, it is simply social commentary on a set of events. It is not some statement on others beliefs.

    The priests really were/are diddling their charges. It is not a matter of faith.

    The institution was/is lousy with pedophiles.

    Sorry, but it is so. If the institution can’t take commentary on that too bad.

    On the other hand, burning the Koran (at least the examples I have seen publicized) is actually a statement that the burner thinks Islam is a “bad” religion. Different statement.

    Personally it is ridiculous to me that anyone would:

    1) believe in God, god, gods and the feminine and gender neutral variants thereof.

    2)Care what anyone else believes in in that department.

    But I don’t see this as a religious statement. I see it as a statement about very matter-of-fact events that have transpired, been proven and which needs to be addressed.

  169. Anonymous
    April 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Wonderful! Thank you 4:12.

  170. Quick Question
    April 25, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    (*&#$(*&$#: May I join your religion? I’ve been looking for one that doesn’t cause more harm than good…

  171. Mitch
    April 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    4:24,

    Maybe it’s worth caring what other people believe in that department because people around the world are killing one another for their beliefs in that department.

    Or maybe it’s worth caring what other Americans believe in that department because a huge and apparently unalterable voting block is composed largely of people with certain beliefs in that department.

    Or maybe it’s better to just smugly assert one’s superiority and stick one’s head in the ground.

  172. Mitch
    April 25, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Or 4:24, to put it another way, if I lived in a neighborhood where people believed anyone who wore red was a member of a disliked gang, I’d consider it pretty important to know at least a little about the beliefs of the people in my neighborhood. I might not admire or share their beliefs, but those beliefs wouldn’t seem at all irrelevant to me.

  173. Anonymous
    April 25, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Suzy, please give us your label. What are your religious beliefs?

  174. suzy blah blah
    April 25, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Anonymous, my label is Suzy Blah Blah and Suzy doesn’t have any religious beliefs.

  175. Mr. Nice
    April 25, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    See all y’all had a good Easter. Guessing my soul-saving sermon might be a day late.

    On this whole old white boy God trip, y’all must be believing in that free will. Talking about bees and ants and shit. Got to say if we organized ourselves into colonies with one fertile queen, a few dozen breed-and-die dudes, and thirty thousand sterile female warriors we might be able to make due with less stress too. Human life ain’t like that though obviously.

    Humans have this short circuit where we think most shit is in our control and anything fucked up is either God or the forest demons or The Man or some other bullshit. Not only do we have no control but there ain’t no such thing as free will really. Shit is all luck and how you play the spread. Tsunami fucks Japan and not California was a dice roll. We hit that 4-5-6 and collected the pot while the Japanese got skunked. Some fuckwits might think God or some shit was making waves but naw and hell naw, it was all more predictably uncontrollable bullshit going down. I mean you take about 100 quindecillion atoms and toss them in a ball, some serious ass uncontrollable shit will go down. Double up that Earth shit with an octodecillion atoms fusing all day every day giving off crazy ass heat and solar flares from the sun, then the fuck you think?

    Don’t trip though. The answer to all y’all’s free will misconceptions is weed. All this planets smashing and cyanobacteria and UFOs and shit all culminated in weed plants and more specifically dank ass, crystally nug. Praise dosia.

  176. Walt
    April 25, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
    In all of the directions it can whiz;
    As fast as it can go, that’s the speed of light, you know,
    Twelve million miles a minute and that’s the fastest speed there is.
    So remember, when you’re feeling very small and insecure,
    How amazingly unlikely was your birth;
    And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere out in space,
    ‘Cause there’s bugger all down here on Earth!

    — Eric Idle

  177. me
    April 26, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Hey,
    Did anyone else notice the video above was posted at 4:12 and is exactly 4:12 long.

    I think it’s a sign.

  178. Plain Jane
    April 26, 2011 at 7:56 am

    I really enjoyed the Sagan video. That overwhelming sense of awe of the cosmos is the closest I’ve come to a religious experience. My hope is that as we learn more about the laws of nature we will have less use for the laws of god as dictated by men.

  179. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 26, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Mitch,

    Fair enough. My meaning was not that one should have no interest or concern for the interests or concerns of others. I meant simply that one should get bent about the beliefs of others. The actions of others are another matter, whether they are motivated by religion or greed or any thing else.

    You are quite right that it very much behooves one to be aware of what everyone around them thinks, does, believes, etc. But I think it is patently unhealthy to use ones psych energy (have slipped out of secular with that term?) on the abstract spiritual beliefs of others when those beliefs are not affecting one.

    And I would hold that religion is NOT responsible for all the wars and genocides that are heaped at its door. Rather, I think greed, selfishness, hunger, fear and other more mundane realities are responsible for them. However, it is hard to get a million men to sign up to be hamburger because I feel greedy. Thus I must convince them that I am righteous and that they will be too if join my cause.

    Religions don’t kill people. People kill people.

    But I think you are correct. Go out, learn what your friends, enemies, neighbors and distant people believe. You will be better for it. But do your self a favor. Bring a pinch of salt and no gospel.

  180. (*&#$(*&$#
    April 26, 2011 at 9:11 am

    one should NOT get bent.

    oops..

  181. Mitch
    April 26, 2011 at 9:53 am

    (*&etc,

    Religions may not kill people, but they sure do have a lot to say about how we deal with our bodies, especially as regards sex.

    We basically agree that it’s not worth getting bent about the beliefs of others; when the religious institutions begin to dominate politics, though, as most recently demonstrated by the Mormon Church and Prop H8, that’s another matter.

    The Catholic church has plenty to answer for as regards women’s human rights and gay people’s human rights.

  182. Ed
    April 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I see a recurring theme here. Look at the Jesus switch plate and you can transpose the Del Arte headline.

  183. tra
    April 26, 2011 at 10:39 am

    The Catholic church has plenty to answer for as regards women’s human rights and gay people’s human rights.

    Not to mention the rights of children to be safe from molestation, rape, and pedophilia. Which brings us back to the original post — the “turned on” Jesus light switch.

    Some folks commenting on this thread have expressed anger about the picture, comparing it to burning the Koran. A better comparison might be the cartoon images of Mohammed that raised so much ire a few years ago. In both cases, I think these sorts of satire must be protected in a free society, despite the fact that they make True-Believers uncomfortable.

    That being said, I won’t be rushing out to buy the “turned on” Jesus light switch. I understand the role of humor in breaking the taboos against criticizing powerful institutions like the Catholic Church, and I understand the role of humor in helping us deal with uncomfortable situations. But after decades of stand-up comedy routines, late-night jokes, and satirical cartoons, perhaps it’s time to recognize that there’s really nothing funny about sexual abuse of children.

    Sorry to be a downer.

  184. Mitch
    April 26, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    tra,

    I’m 100% in agreement. Just wanted to note that expressing disapproval of an attempt at humor is a far cry from attempting to ban it.

  185. tra
    April 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Yes, I agree…sorry if I was unclear about that. When I said “…these sorts of satires must be protected…” I meant protected from official bans or religious vigilantes, I didn’t mean that criticism of the satires should be off-limits.

  186. if only...
    April 26, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    9:10 said: “And I would hold that religion is NOT responsible for all the wars and genocides that are heaped at its door. …… Thus I must convince them that I am righteous and that they will be too if join my cause…..

    Enter: Religion.

    Religious dogma is the PR you would use to convince them…that THIS killing is just. It’s OK. God loves you for killing those people, who belong to some other religion. Unlike us. Our religion is the only one. We are God fearing. They are Satan.

    See how that goes. Without the religion part, where is the hook? Would you say – “Hey guys and gals, go kill some people and blow up their homes because they live in the Middle East. Because they have brown skin? Because they dress funny? No, that won’t cut it. You need the force of “God” to get people that riled up and to give them the moralistic cover they need to systematically kill other people. Religion is the medium to get your “God’s” message to them. Without religion, what “authority” do you have?

  187. Mitch
    April 27, 2011 at 8:08 am

    I’m not much of a fan of Mark Morford — read him for a week and you’ve read him for a year, I think — but, hey, he hit it out of the park with this one:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/04/27/notes042711.DTL

  188. Plain Jane
    April 27, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I’m looking forward to the rapture, Mitch. Average IQ will jump 20 points and we won’t have the right wing circus distracting from the work so desperately needed to save this country. Can I get an amen?

  189. Percy
    April 27, 2011 at 10:34 am

    From the Mark Morford column that Mitch referenced, best description of Rick Perry ever…….

    “You go, Rick, even if you are a wildly hypocritical, climate-change denyin’ shrillbucket of gun-happy obnoxiousness.”

  190. Mitch
    April 27, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    PJ,

    Amen to everyone going where they wish. I’d feel sorry for the NIMBYs already in heaven, though.

  191. Anonymous
    April 27, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    That would make a great scifi novel. Doom is upon the planet, the whackos get raptured up into the sky, and the thinking people of this world save it… and whoops, we prematurely halt the end of the world and create peace on Earth.

    It’s another reason to dislike most religions. They are diametrically opposed to working for peace on Earth, Christianity included. The more fervently (truly) you believe the Bible, the more you believe faith is tied to suffering and the more you’re inclined to encourage global conflict in order to fulfill your end-time prophesies. Jesus was, and this is not in dispute among biblical scholars, Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet. He couldn’t shut up about the end of the world coming. There were other leaders of his time to taught a more encompassing turn-the-other-cheek universalism like Jesus did, but Jesus also taught fire-and-brimstone end-of-the-world goodness that people eat up so much. Follow my way or my wrath will be upon you. People love that stuff.

  192. Anonymous
    April 27, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Sooo……..No one else is afraid of Zombie Jesus?

  193. Walt
    April 27, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    But instead of Zombie Jesus eating people, his people eat HIM and drink his blood! If he’d been hung with a rope, would there be nooses on all the churches? It IS pretty scary. . .

  194. Plain Jane
    April 27, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    If only a few people believed religious dogma they’d be considered mentally ill.

  195. Largo
    April 28, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Rose’s Easter post was pretty funny. One comment says “God loves all conservatives”.

  196. Pat Robertson
    April 28, 2011 at 8:55 am

    The bible belt is getting torn to bits by storm after storm. There can be no other reason for this — It is God”s retribution for their sins. God hates conservatives.

  197. April 28, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Let’s organize a twelve step program for people addicted to religion. The Higher Power can help you escape Himself.

    After all people can be addicted to religion, that much is obvious. There must be some way to help them.

    I personally think Jesus was a real person, a teacher and a non-violent revolutionary who was inspiring enough to gather some devotees during his life. I think he was just as mortal as you and I. I don’t think he preached “fire and brimstone” like the poster above suggested. The fire and brimstone comes in when Christianity became a state religion and thus part of the social control mechanism. Perhaps 400 years after Jesus lived.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  198. Plain Jane
    April 28, 2011 at 11:30 am

    That’s the really strange thing, Bill. It is well known that the church revised, deleted and added material hundreds of years after the supposed Jesus allegedly died, but some people take every word as the literal word of god. Superstitious people of all religions require “miracles” to believe and the hucksters are always happy to give them what they need to gain control. People who use “religious faith” as a means maintain control in spite of all evidence deserve an eternity in their imagined hell for all the destruction they have wrought.

  199. Groan
    April 29, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Bill, Jesus talked about hell all the time. He talked about it more than anyone else quoted in the New Testament. Of course, to believe he preached fire and brimstone you have to think the Bible is accurate. Don’t know why anyone would think that, but a lot of people do.

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