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SmartMeters overcharge when overheated

PG&E’s SmartMeter controversy just got more heated with the announcement that customers have been overcharged when the device hits 100 degrees.

All of the faulty meters have been or will be replaced, and affected customers will receive refunds averaging $40, PG&E representatives said.

Those customers, scattered across Northern and Central California, also will receive a free home energy audit as well as a $25 credit for the inconvenience.

SmartMeter critics are not satisfied and say the overcharges show PG&E needs to take seriously other consumer complaints about SmartMeters.

  1. Decline To State
    May 3, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Glad to live in Eureka. I’ve only recently learned the highest recorded temperature here ever was 87 degrees (I would have guessed much higher). Of course that would have been in the shade and my meter faces the southern sun…

    Perhaps I congratulated myself a bit too quickly on that one.

  2. Leonardo
    May 3, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Forse i contatori intelligenti, non sono intelligenti.

  3. May 3, 2011 at 11:53 am

    The new “smart meters” do not fit properly into older circuit breaker boxes. They are a know fire hazard. That in and of itself should be reason to stop the installation.

    PS.
    PGE told the woman this happened to locally it was her responsibility to replace her circuit box, not theirs.

  4. Dave
    May 3, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    It really makes you wonder why these Smart meters weren’t field tested longer!
    It appears that PG&E is making customers their Guina pigs in the name of profit.
    Some have been saying that for over a year now.
    This latest news adds to that claim.

  5. Anonymous
    May 3, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Does anyone know about the Health hazards with the electricity. Neighbors have tested there meters and the safe lever is supposed to be 10 but they got a register of over 290.

  6. Anonymous
    May 3, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Perhaps the most interesting though (I believe) unrecognized use of the Smart Meters will be to pinpoint exactly which households are growing weed. The minute-by-minute data stream, and the amps drawn, will very clearly indicate where grow cycles are occurring.

  7. Plain Jane
    May 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    And you don’t think the huge monthly bills make that obvious already, 1:01? PG&E knows who the growers are, but they don’t report them. The Smart Meters are to encourage people to conserve energy during peak hours and charge them more for their use if they don’t. The cost to build power plants to meet the demand during peak energy use which aren’t needed 24 hours a day translates to higher bills for everyone, even those who try to conserve. People who are using grow lights should at least be energy conscious enough to schedule their “day time” to off peak hours as much as possible, even if they don’t care about the difference in price per kwh.

  8. Anonymous
    May 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Not all high energy bills are attributable to growing. With SmartMeters there’s 100 percent certainty. Good points about the costs passed along to the rest of us. Prop. 215 should have outlawed indoor grows. It’s absurd that in one of the best MJ growing regions of the world there are all these folks holed up in their house-caves conducting agricultural operations.

  9. Anonymous
    May 3, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    We need thermal imaging and Predator drones to take out those grow houses!

  10. Plain Jane
    May 3, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    4:05, why would a Smart Meter recording usage by time of day give any more clues as to what it is being used for than massive energy use reflected on the bill?

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 3, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Hmm, but if the county mj regulations are trying to encourage non-electrical greenhouse operations / outdoors grow operations (on any parcel where any meter exists – smart or not), THEN why do the smart meter readers still come around when a major part of pitching the meters was that the meter reader DID NOT HAVE TO COME AROUND, thus also making meter readers worry for their job retention. Seems to me that anything “foot traffic” activity wise involving business will be used to get onto people’s property, let alone inside their electrical infrastructure.

    Ya see, when code enforcement is based on snitches in the neighborhood, it often takes 3rd party servicers to do the dirt work for government – the eyes and ears so to speak – because too many neighbors don’t have a problem with grows.

    Anyhow, as Dave stated above, The “Guinea Pig” effect is definately in play. Hey, now there is a business thought – make your customers the “Guinea Pigs” while you test your product…kinda like meds.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 3, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Plain Jane says:
    May 3, 2011 at 5:09 pm
    4:05, why would a Smart Meter recording usage by time of day give any more clues as to what it is being used for than massive energy use reflected on the bill?

    Response: Because possibly time of day separates light from dark; and, this means that who is operating a bunch of energy drawing equipment at odd hours (non-peak). Further, I know of many, and I mean many, MEN WITH SHOPS who dibble here, dabble there, ya know, make their life’s living outta their shop. Additionally, Smart meters SHOULD be able to recognize the different phases of electricity that is associated with different types of equipment. Then, considering that the normal “21 Century” home uses a 200 amp panel, the amperage draws at any given time will clue the energy geeks as to what potential equipment is being operated…..ya know, since manufacturers are supposed to post their specifications on their equipment in some form that electrical experts can understand……

    It is true though, high energy bills can be from anything, but in northern california, the odds of high energy uses being associated with a grow operation are such that a Las Vegas trip WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL!

    JL

  13. Down the Road
    May 4, 2011 at 6:18 am

    We asked PG&E not to install the smart meters on a
    4 unit apartment house. They bullied there way onto the
    property and put 9 smart meters right outside one
    of the apartments. How do we know this is safe?
    We are surrounded by cell towers, heavy electrical
    wires and now smart meters. This area has a very
    high cancer rate. How do we know all of these things
    are not contributors?

  14. Down the Road
    May 4, 2011 at 6:19 am

    Oops: their

  15. May 4, 2011 at 6:56 am

    “Anonymous says:
    May 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Not all high energy bills are attributable to growing. With SmartMeters there’s 100 percent certainty. Good points about the costs passed along to the rest of us. Prop. 215 should have outlawed indoor grows. It’s absurd that in one of the best MJ growing regions of the world there are all these folks holed up in their house-caves conducting agricultural operations.”

    For the last time, marijuana grown outside might be ok for recreational use but it is too dirty to ever be considered medical grade. Too many pathogens and too much animal feces.

  16. Landlord
    May 4, 2011 at 6:58 am

    Get one of those radiation meters. You can see where in your home that concentrations of radioactivity are worse than in others. I am under the impression that Smart Meters are no worse than the other things we surround ourselves with. Is it smart to sit next to a laptop, a cell phone, a cordless phone, a television, a wireless router, etc many hours in a day? I don’t know the answer, but I know people buy those meters and unplug items they are not using, and sit elsewhere when they can.

  17. May 4, 2011 at 6:58 am

    “Down the Road says:
    May 4, 2011 at 6:18 am

    We asked PG&E not to install the smart meters on a
    4 unit apartment house. They bullied there way onto the
    property and put 9 smart meters right outside one
    of the apartments. How do we know this is safe?
    We are surrounded by cell towers, heavy electrical
    wires and now smart meters. This area has a very
    high cancer rate. How do we know all of these things
    are not contributors?”

    Its called science, look into it.

  18. May 4, 2011 at 8:37 am

    With all due respect, the idea that Indoor pot with all its chemicals and fake environment is cleaner and more medically sound is nonsense.
    And let’s have a little honesty in the pot debate for once. Every indoor grow is a commercial operation, period. No one is spending that much money to grow for “medical” reasons. Everyone up here knows that Prop. 215 is just a cover for commercial production of pot. And if some poor gullible fool is dumb enough to give his script up to a grower he’ll get a minimum amount at an exorbitant price while the grower will sell the rest of the pot he was allowed to grow on the patient’s script, for his own profit.
    Getting ripped off by pot growers is no different than getting ripped off by insurance agents; it’s the American/capitalist way. It’s embarrassing to see people claim the high moral ground when they’re just one more greedy capitalist cheating the system to make a profit.
    If someone is successful at making a living off pot; more power to them. Pot is not a dangerous substance to most adults. But for growers to demand respect and admiration for being selfless egalitarians suffering hardship to bring relief to patients in agony…well that’s just nonsense.

  19. May 4, 2011 at 8:40 am

    […well that too is just nonsense.]

  20. Anonymous
    May 4, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I find it curious that so few on this blog are not concerned about the health effects. Marin County and others are saying no to smart meters because of health concerns. Are you all so gullible because it is “supposed” to be GREEN?

  21. pluto
    May 4, 2011 at 10:43 am

    At least Rio Dell has it right. It is really weird that people are not more interested in the health effects.

  22. Mr. Nice
    May 4, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    And let’s have a little honesty in the pot debate for once.

    You are honestly misinformed.

    Every indoor grow is a commercial operation, period. No one is spending that much money to grow for “medical” reasons.

    Costs $500 to set up a small grow and $20 a month in electric. The weed that produces in one year costs thousands of fucking dollars on the street. Double that up and anybody can smoke for cheap. Folks who grow for themselves outnumber commercial grows. Matter of fact, little birdies been telling me they seen hundreds of non-commercial grows for every commercial one.

    Everyone up here knows that Prop. 215 is just a cover for commercial production of pot.

    It is not just a cover to grow. It’s a cover to grow, possess, transport and distribute.

    And if some poor gullible fool is dumb enough to give his script up to a grower he’ll get a minimum amount at an exorbitant price while the grower will sell the rest of the pot he was allowed to grow on the patient’s script, for his own profit.

    Per patient grow limits don’t exist anymore. Folks take as much risk with one recommendation as they do with ten unless they are an organized collective.

    Why do all y’all who know jack shit about growing weed write newspaper articles about it and carry on dialogue about honesty and shit? Y’all don’t know shit about it but read something someone else writes (who doesn’t know shit about it) and become an instant fucking expert. Like me telling y’all what’s the inside scoop is on hockey teams and golf after reading the sports news.

    And nobody using a bunch of electricity gives a fuck about smart meters. Only the paranoid about radioactive smoke detector folks talk about those. The only thing that means to energy hogs is they can’t rig the meter to steal electricity. Still other ways to do that for folks are dumb enough to steal electricity anyway.

  23. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 4, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Down the Road says:
    May 4, 2011 at 6:18 am
    We asked PG&E not to install the smart meters on a
    4 unit apartment house. They bullied there way onto the
    property and put 9 smart meters right outside one
    of the apartments. How do we know this is safe?
    We are surrounded by cell towers, heavy electrical
    wires and now smart meters. This area has a very
    high cancer rate. How do we know all of these things
    are not contributors?

    Response: You gotta watch PGE and Wellington Energy – they usurp their position by trying to go through tenants and not the property owner. They’ll try and bully, sure; and, when they are wrong, you threaten them with legal skilz. Game over!

    JL

  24. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    moviedad says:
    May 4, 2011 at 8:37 am
    With all due respect, the idea that Indoor pot with all its chemicals and fake environment is cleaner and more medically sound is nonsense.
    And let’s have a little honesty in the pot debate for once. Every indoor grow is a commercial operation, period. No one is spending that much money to grow for “medical” reasons. Everyone up here knows that Prop. 215 is just a cover for commercial production of pot. And if some poor gullible fool is dumb enough to give his script up to a grower he’ll get a minimum amount at an exorbitant price while the grower will sell the rest of the pot he was allowed to grow on the patient’s script, for his own profit.
    Getting ripped off by pot growers is no different than getting ripped off by insurance agents; it’s the American/capitalist way. It’s embarrassing to see people claim the high moral ground when they’re just one more greedy capitalist cheating the system to make a profit.
    If someone is successful at making a living off pot; more power to them. Pot is not a dangerous substance to most adults. But for growers to demand respect and admiration for being selfless egalitarians suffering hardship to bring relief to patients in agony…well that’s just nonsense.

    Response: “Not Every” – with regard to sentence #3. You won’t ever win any argument using the word every in the instance you did. Many indoor growers only grow for personal cuz they have a job and only need the pot for personal use and not resale. Some people do both, some people only grow to sell. So, growing it is not a monolithic purpose, just sayin’.

    JL

  25. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 4, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Anonymous says:
    May 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    Not all high energy bills are attributable to growing. With SmartMeters there’s 100 percent certainty. Good points about the costs passed along to the rest of us. Prop. 215 should have outlawed indoor grows. It’s absurd that in one of the best MJ growing regions of the world there are all these folks holed up in their house-caves conducting agricultural operations

    Response: You mean government calculated.Let me guess, 1980’s black ops, county taking federal drug money grants, etc…for which scared people inside.

    As I have always said, indoor is a problem because of what government caused outside, FEAR in broad daylight! This is just another political set-up for career politicians in a seasaw, back and forth emotional game!!!

    JL

  26. T
    March 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    I don’t care about pot heads. I care about how much my freaking bill is going up!

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