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  • The North Coast’s new representative on the California Coastal Commission will be Del Norte Supervisor Martha McClure, following an appointment by Governor Jerry Brown.  The job was formerly held by ex-Humboldt Supe Bonnie Neely who lost her seat after losing re-election in November.  The issue of her replacement has devolved into bitter tantrums by the developer cheer-leading squad since then. Whether McClure will be framed as the devil — or worse, an angel — by these rah-rahs remains to be seen.
  • Four state parks in Humboldt County on the North Coast will be shuttered along with 66 others around the state to help close California’s massive budget gap: Benbow, Fort Humboldt, Standish-Hickey and Grizzly Creek. Parks will be closed by July 1, 2012.
  1. Bob Doran
    May 14, 2011 at 12:53 am

    re: park closures – just to clarify – that’s July 1, 2012

  2. Anonymous
    May 14, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Most folks can’t afford the gas to drive there, why should they subsidize it for those who can?

  3. Anonymous
    May 14, 2011 at 1:15 am

    standish hicky is in mendo.

  4. Walt
    May 14, 2011 at 6:24 am

    And what happens to closed parks? Do they get (snort, drool) DEVELOPED maybe?

  5. Cristina Bauss
    May 14, 2011 at 6:55 am

    “Most folks can’t afford the gas to drive there, why should they subsidize it for those who can?”

    Oh, gee, I don’t know. I can’t afford to travel overseas, so why should I give a shit about Africa, since I can’t get there anyway? For that matter, why care at all about the world beyond the tiny little radius accessible to me?

    The “me first,” fuck-the-rest-of-the-world mentality that’s rampant in the most capitalist of societies (here’s looking at you, U.S. and China) is mind-boggling. IT’S PUBLIC LAND. IT’S BEEN PROTECTED FOR EXCELLENT REASONS. THE WORLD IS AN INTERCONNECTED WEB. That shouldn’t be that difficult to understand.

    May 14, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Cha Ching,

    The seer’s logic is correct once again. Now, on to Vegas!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  7. Rick Khamsi
    May 14, 2011 at 9:15 am

    How much money will actually be saved in the long-run? After vandalism is done to the vacant buildings? After mold infests the walls? After the park land itself becomes open to abuse?

    Eventually, the people will want our parks to reopen. That’s when the true cost of these park closures will become apparent.

  8. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Well said, Cristina and Rick.

  9. Arcatawikileaks
    May 14, 2011 at 9:53 am

    The park closures are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the financial problems the state is facing. What this is is punishment for not going along with what the government want us to swallow. The states employees, and their perks need to be cut before they close our parks. Need a cell phone, pay for it like the rest of us, need a car, buy one, pay for your own gas to and from work, Etc. All of these “perks” come from working for the state.

    Cut the prison population in half by releasing all of the non violent drug offenders, especially those in for pot.

    Lets see some cuts that hurt GOVERNMENT first, not cuts that hurt the PEOPLE first.

    Jerry Brown can afford to take his family on a vacation to a resort, some of us have to save to afford the day use fees at out local parks.

  10. Martha,you go girl !
    May 14, 2011 at 9:57 am

    McClure is a Democrat with enough experience to stand up to the “bitter tantrums” of the rah-rahs of the right or the left. On this graduation day at HSU, our local press has not reported that she is an alumni with both a Bachelors and a teaching credential from HSU.

  11. Kubla
    May 14, 2011 at 10:00 am

    How much would it cost to keep Fort Humboldt open? The visitor center is already closed, and all the other building have been closed to visitors since the earthquake. The restrooms have been closed every time I’ve visited, except for special events. The park is small and its maintenance is already down to a bare bones minimum.

    Also, there is one and possibly two residences there for Parks personnel. Since they are already there, they could empty the trash cans once a day and let volunteers clean up the grounds.

    It’s a small park and it shouldn’t cost much to keep it open.

    (However, if they really do close it then it should be easy to access by foot unless they throw a fence around it.)

  12. tra
    May 14, 2011 at 10:53 am

    According to the Times-Standard, FIVE North Coast state parks are on the chopping block: The four named in the above post, plus Del Norte Coast Redwoods State Park.


    Meanwhile, over at Lost Coast Outpost, Hank notes that:

    The move will save $33 million dollars over the next two years, and is prompted by a $15.4 billion (annual) structural budget deficit.

    In other words, this evisceration of the state park system will fix around one-tenth of one percent of the problem. Heckuva job.


  13. Anonymous
    May 14, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Let me rephrase my previous comment:

    Class societies are inherently unfair as the masses of working poor subsidize programs, recreation, parks, universities, etc, that are increasingly off limits to them, in addition to prohibitive user fees making it even more impossible to participate, while the wealthier classes enjoy this subsidy as a real bargain.

    Just like the U.S. views an impoverished world’s contribution of their resources to our lifestyle!!!


    The working poor care just as much as anyone about their environment and world, too bad the benefits of their subsidies are not equitably shared.

  14. Tim
    May 14, 2011 at 11:04 am

    The bums will be in the camps before the sun sets and you’ll never make them leave. Crap everywhere, needles, rapes, Meth labs, all in some of beautiful Ca.

  15. Julie Timmons
    May 14, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Arcatawikileaks is rehashing old issues (cell phones) and apparently doesn’t understand that GOVERNMENT is PEOPLE. When I worked for the State we had ONE office vehicle shared by 12 people and NO ONE was paid for their “gas to and from work”. Total fiction.
    I’m wondering if Ft Humboldt and Benbow were put on the list because of all the local parks these would be the easiest to maintain with volunteers if worst comes to worst. Kubla, you make good points but I can’t imagine the residences would be available to State staff if the park was closed. Guess we’ll see.

  16. May 14, 2011 at 11:27 am

    We could take the hundred thousand that we shovel to the Chamber of Commerce for tourism promotion and use it to keep the parks open.

    The actual tourist attractions seem to me to have a higher priority than promoting them. This is a budget triage moment.

    have a peaceful day,

  17. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 11:37 am

    It would be interesting to know just how much taxpayer money the COC’s receive throughout the state.

  18. May 14, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Or, now here’s a thought,

    relocate the Chamber’s tourism efforts to Fort Humboldt and then when the chamber staff isnt busy they can pick up the trash and clean the restrooms.

    Kind of like when a corporation downsizes and becomes more “productive.” Like the Chamber espouses. Some employees lose their jobs, while the lucky ones who remain get to do TWO jobs for the same pay.

    Just think of it as downsizing the Chamber and making it more productive.

    have a peaceful day,


  19. Curley
    May 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Appointing Martha Mc Clure was brilliant. She’s smart, hardworking and absolutely committed to Del Norte and the north coast. And it sidetracked the demolition derby that’s Humboldt politics.

  20. Anonymous
    May 14, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    There are also 4 in Mendo coast; Jug Handle, Russian Gulch, Point Cabrillo, and Manchester. I would classify those as north coast as well. Some of my favorite abalone diving places to stay.

  21. Matha Matha Martha
    May 14, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    I have watched Martha work- she is smart, moderate, and pragmatic. There will be times that both sides are upset with her. As such, she is perfect for the job.

    Mark would be wise to take note at how she governs.

  22. Thirdeye
    May 14, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Second the comments by Curley and Matha. I doubt that “developers” or “conservatives” or whatever label Heraldo tries to paste on the anti-Lovelace faction will have cause for concern. Good move to go outside Humboldt for the appointment. Daddy just gave the toy to the kid that didn’t squabble over it.

  23. What Now
    May 14, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    :The “me first,” fuck-the-rest-of-the-world mentality that’s rampant in the most capitalist of societies (here’s looking at you, U.S. and China) is mind-boggling. IT’S PUBLIC LAND. IT’S BEEN PROTECTED FOR EXCELLENT REASONS. THE WORLD IS AN INTERCONNECTED WEB. That shouldn’t be that difficult to understand.”
    EXCELLENT assesment,Christina Bauss.
    THANK YOU,SINCERELY for stating what all but the ditto heads and brain dead Reich Wingers see.

    Curly mused”…the demolition derby that’s Humboldt politics.”
    THAT is the best one line summation of this situation that I’ve seen here yet.

    Highboldtage, why not just ELIMINATE corporate sunbsidies and drop all of this “privatization” smokescreen for the rich grabbing money from general revenue?
    “Free Market” appears to be the slogan for businesses and corporate
    fronts getting free money from the wage earners.
    “Arcatawikileaks”; What ever hole of propganda you’ve fallen into had obviously made you incapable of recognizing “bullshit” if you had a mouth full of it.From your post, you’re either not QUITE ready to gargle itthere or just recently swallowed to make room for the next round.

  24. May 14, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Congratulations to Martha! She and Kendall were both excellent nominees and Martha should do a good job. Del Norte deserves to be represented.

  25. May 14, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    We must reform prop 13 if we are ever to get California funded again and returned to it’s former glory. In the meantime, here a letter from the State Park Foundation with a link to write to your legislators:

    From: http://www.calparks.org/

    Earlier today, the Department of Parks and Recreation (DPR) released a list of 70 state parks that will be permanently closed to the public as a direct result of the $22 million budget cut enacted by Governor Jerry Brown and the Legislature earlier this year. Although closure lists have been released in the past in response to previous budget cut proposals,this is the first time in the 100 year history of California’s state park system that state park closures will be implemented.

    Permanent park closures will begin this September. Among the many state parks that will be off-limits to the public with will be Del Norte Coast Redwoods State Park, Henry W. Coe State Park, Pio Pico State Historic Park, Railtown 1897 State Historic Park and many more. The full list is devastatingly long and includes 40% of all state historic parks in CA.

    This unprecedented plan will close the doors to 25% of California’s state park system and will impact all regions of our state. As you know, park closures will have very real impacts on the people of California, the resources our parks protect and our economy.

    Please join us today to send a letter* to your legislators and the governor opposing these closures and showing your continued support for California’s state parks. Your action is urgently needed, as policymakers will be making additional decisions in the next weeks about the state park budget that may have further impacts to our state parks: link

    * https://secure3.convio.net/cspf/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=289


    Elizabeth Goldstein

  26. High Finance
    May 14, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Think people, think.

    The savings is paltry, just $33 million when the state has a $15 BILLION dollar deficit to fill (and it is really much higher). Then Rick above correctly pointed out the savings is only temporary and it will cost us in the long run.

    So why do it ? Politicians (of both parties) do it all the time. When they want new taxes they threaten to cut popular programs to scare the voters into accepting the new taxes.

  27. May 14, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Reagan’s record on raising taxes began almost the moment he entered politics. Elected governor of California in 1966, he inherited a large budget deficit from his predecessor, Pat Brown. Although a conservative, dedicated to shrinking government, Reagan nevertheless found the magnitude of spending cuts that would have been necessary in 1967 to be beyond reach. This led him to endorse a $1 billion per year tax increase, equivalent to a $17 billion tax increase today – an enormous sum equal to a third of state revenues at that time. Journalist Lou Cannon recounts the circumstances:

    “No amount of budget reductions, even if they had been politically palatable, could have balanced California’s budget in 1967. The cornerstone of Governor Reagan’s economic program was not the ballyhooed budget reductions but a sweeping tax package four times larger than the previous record California tax increase obtained by Governor Brown in 1959. Reagan’s proposal had the distinction of being the largest tax hike ever proposed by any governor in the history of the United States.”[1]

    The top income tax rate was raised from 7 percent to 10 percent, the sales tax rate went from 3 percent to 5 percent, the cigarette tax was increased from 3 cents to 10 cents per pack, the alcohol tax was raised from $1.50 to $2 per gallon, the bank and corporate tax rate went up from 5.5 percent to 7 percent, and the inheritance tax rose from a range of 2 percent to 10 percent to a range of 3 percent to 15 percent.


  28. May 14, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    So faced with a $15,000,000,000 budget shortfall we don’t need to ask “What Would Reagan Do?” we already know that the Gipper would raise taxes.

    have a peaceful day,

  29. 69er
    May 14, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    It’s the only way out and we all know it, all we have to do is admit it and do it. Raise taxes and make monumental cuts.

  30. Arcatawikileaks
    May 14, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Julie Timmons

    Brown targets 4,000-plus state employee cars
    February 10, 2011 | Marie C. Baca

    When Gov. Jerry Brown announced last month that he would eliminate half of the state’s official car fleet, he wasn’t just referring to the autos used by the California Department of Motor Vehicles.

    Data from a June 2010 Department of General Services survey indicates that more than 60 state agencies have a total of 4,500 permits to store taxpayer-funded cars at the residence of an employee. This number does not include vehicles that are stored somewhere other than a residence, or vehicles that have an exemption because they are necessary for health and safety operations.

    Among the California agencies with at least one such permit, according to the report: the African American Museum, the Horse Racing Board, and the State Fair. View the entire list here [PDF].

    While the one car kept at home by a museum employee is a relatively small expenditure compared to the 1,000 vehicles stored at home by state Highway Patrol employees, a few cars here and there can add up quickly. The mandate outlining the fleet reduction program notes that the state spends $90 million a year on fuel for official cars and tens of millions of dollars in operating expenses.

    Brown’s announcement marks the second attempt to reduce California’s official car fleet in the past two years. In 2009, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a similar order, and 2,000 home storage permits were revoked.

    It is unclear which departments will endure the brunt of the new generation of cuts. Some, like the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, have “health and safety” exemptions for most of their fleet, a designation that means the vehicle is vital to health and safety-related activities and cannot be cut.

    “There are certain cars that are needed by police, firefighters, and other people like that,” said Eric Lamoureux, acting deputy director of the Department of General Services. “But anything that does not fall on that list can be looked at for elimination.”

    But many state vehicles that aren’t officially in that category are still used for health and safety purposes. Russ Heimerich, a spokesman for the Department of Consumer Affairs, said the 253 cars stored at home by agency employees are used by armed investigators who have the power of arrest. It makes sense for them to keep the cars at home, he said, because the investigators are often out in the field far away from the office.

    “We think we can make a few cuts, but we’re going to try to protect our inspector’s vehicles to the extent that we can while still complying with the governor’s order,” said Heimerich.*

    The California African American Museum, the California Horse Racing Board, and the California Exposition and State Fair did not respond to requests for comment.

    *This paragraph was changed from an earlier version in order to correct an error in the quote from Mr. Heimerich.

  31. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    “The current obsession with state workers’ wages and benefits, which has been sweeping the nation from the Midwest to California, is distracting Americans from the real economic questions we should urgently be asking ourselves.”


  32. High Finance
    May 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Jane, is there any place in the state budget that you would be willing to cut spending ?

  33. High Finance
    May 14, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    And don’t take the lazy, easy way out by answering “prisons” like every other liberal does.

    First, the cuts there won’t begin to address the problem and second it ignores the profound impact of releasing tens of thousands of felons would have on society.

    Think, THINK !

  34. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    I’d be happy to cut prison funding by releasing nonviolent prisoners into parole and work programs. Isn’t it shocking that every prisoner costs almost as much per year to incarcerate as a teacher’s salary and more than the price of tuition at most schools? I’d rather spend money on educating kids and job training for their parents than prison guards. Crazy huh?

  35. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Since when do YOU care about the impact of budget policies on society, HiFi? Are you turning socialist?

  36. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “THE legal scholar Derrick A. Bell foresaw that mass incarceration, like earlier systems of racial control, would continue to exist as long as it served the perceived interests of white elites.”

    “Today, 2.3 million Americans are behind bars; the United States has the world’s highest rate of incarceration. Convictions for non-violent crimes and relatively minor drug offenses — mostly possession, not sale — have accounted for the bulk of the increase in the prison population since the mid-1980s.

    African-Americans are far more likely to get prison sentences for drug offenses than white offenders, even though studies have consistently shown that they are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites.”

    “A majority of those swept into our nation’s prison system are poor people of color, but the sudden shift away from the “get tough” rhetoric that has dominated the national discourse on crime has not been inspired by a surge in concern about the devastating human toll of mass incarceration. Instead, as Professor Bell predicted, the changing tide is best explained by perceived white interests. In this economic climate, it is impossible to maintain the vast prison state without raising taxes on the (white) middle class.”


    “In the past 20 years, correction department budgets have quadrupled and are outpacing every major spending area outside health care, according to a recent report by the Pew Center on the States. With 7.3 million Americans in prison, on parole or under probation, states spent $47 billion in 2008, the study said.

    Faced with such costs, even states known for being particularly tough on crime are revisiting their policies and laws.

    “In Kentucky, our prison budget is approaching half a billion dollars,” said J. Michael Brown, secretary of the State Justice and Public Safety Cabinet. “And as dollars get scarce, it forces a tremendous amount of scrutiny.”

    The annual cost to keep someone in prison varies by state, and the type of institution, but the typical cost cited by states is about $35,000, said Peggy Burke of the Center for Effective Public Policy, a nonprofit group that works with local governments on criminal justice matters.”


  37. Mitch
    May 14, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Here, PJ, I’ll give you another chance.

    Solve the federal budget problem, but don’t touch the military, don’t raise taxes, don’t touch subsidies to corporations that can make unlimited campaign contributions, and don’t default on the bondholders.

    If you didn’t choose involuntary servitude for the lowest-income 95% of the population, you’re not using the same can-do spirit as HiFi!

    See, we need prisons more than ever!

  38. Andrew Bird
    May 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Martha McClure is as strong an advocate for the environment as Mark or Bonnie. In fact, Martha will be like having Bonnie, her close friend, on the Commission again. She won’t vote to pave over Humboldt Bay wetlands to build a big box mall.

    Here are 13 parks selected for closure in the 1st Assembly District:

    Anderson Marsh SHP (on Clear Lake)

    Benbow Lake SRA

    Austin Creek SRA (near Guerneville)

    Del Norte Coast Redwoods SP Fort Humboldt SHP

    Greenwood SB (Mendocino Coast)

    Grizzly Creek Redwoods SP

    Hendy Woods SP (near Philo, Mendo Co)

    Jug Handle SNR (near Ft. Bragg)

    Manchester SP (Mendo Coast)

    Point Cabrillo Light Station (Mendo Coast)

    Russian Gulch State Park (near Ft. Bragg)

    Standish-Hickey SRA (Mendocino Co)

    Weaverville Joss House

  39. Plain Jane
    May 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    It’s really too bad we didn’t invest in programs to keep people out of prison instead of making harsher laws to put more in for longer stretches. We’d have millions of educated, productive people instead of inmates to support and ex-cons generation after generation. But that would be socialism so we can’t do that.

    May 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Richard Salzman, all-of-a-sudden openly posting on the H.H. over the past few months is completely incorrect with regard to proposition 13.

    The problem is not so much the written language within prop. 13 as it is the public employees who deceive the taxpayers by how they usurp proposition 13’s language/ruels and how public employees “cover-up” their abuses in real-estate valuations (tax frauds perpetuated by public employees in the assesor’s department and publicly elected officials at the top (especially county supervisors).

    Prop. 13 has been thoroughly analysed by those who represent the taxpayers who want to maintain its brilliance, as well as, those who know that for big and bad government to grow more powerful, prop. 13 must go.

    Who does a more powerful government serve?


    Not the people, in general.

    Sorry Richard, no schmoozing allowed.


  41. Have TP will travel
    May 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Yipee! No day use fees! What a glorious day! Visitation will prosper without government intervention.

  42. Bolithio
    May 15, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Im so glad the state parks have spent millions of dollars annually to study bats, re-contour roads, and administer the thousands of acres of cut over lands donated by various groups. Have they forgotten that the reason for the parks is for people to come and visit!!!?? Trim the fat!!!

    The State Park is probably the only agency in the unique position of have the ability to fund the parks, and maybe even their harebrained study/restoration schemes, without taxing the public.

    They could provide a model of sustainable forestry, logging all the non-oldgrowth lands periodically. This would not only generate revenue. Simultaneously the public benefits from reduced fire risk, healthier stands, eliminated legacy erosion sites, and opportunity for expanded trail systems.

    May 15, 2011 at 9:10 am


    search engine: Federal Wildlands Project

    for many links about “The Rural Game Plan”

    Federal Wildlands Project


    a href=”http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/wildlands_project/state_dictates_cdf_support_for_federal_hcp_20050324131/”>#3

    #4 – public education system video

    #5 – conter-argument video

    enjoy what the videos present….the effects of world over-populations rising steadily due to individual and public greeds for namesake and subsidies…….. merely having children in America has gone way beyond survival of the species…..it (they – children) has become a tool of sorts to gain public benefits (not just based upon money, but statuses as well) through falsified sympathy for so many irresponsible and/or deceptive parents involved in “social” business as usual. just sayin’……. society = reap and sow, reap and sow. We all will suffer to a degree.


    May 15, 2011 at 9:13 am


    a href=”http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/wildlands_project/state_dictates_cdf_support_for_federal_hcp_20050324131/”>#3


    May 15, 2011 at 9:14 am



  46. High Finance
    May 15, 2011 at 10:02 am

    So in other words PJ, you cannot think of anywhere to cut in California’s budget other than prisons and releasing tens of thousands of felons on our city streets.

  47. Plain Jane
    May 15, 2011 at 10:10 am

    I didn’t say that was the only place to cut, HiFi. I said I would start there. Of course, if I had been making policy over the past 30 years I would have spent more to educate and train people for productive jobs, more money on diversion from criminal activities, more money on drug rehabs rather than longer prison terms at $35,000+ per year. People usually come out of college much better prepared to have a beneficial effect on society than those who come out of prison and at a lower cost. Imagine that!

  48. May 15, 2011 at 10:15 am

    We could completely cut out the Redevelopment Agencies that will save lots of money. We can eliminate the “Enterprise Zone” program that is a pure giveaway to business interests. That will also save million$

    have a peaceful day,

  49. Plain Jane
    May 15, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I noticed that HiFi didn’t respond to my question if he was becoming socialist. He has repeatedly railed against policies for the benefit of society as a whole, calling them socialism, but now whines that releasing non-violent criminals would have a negative impact on society. So much hypocrisy concentrated in the tiny mind of a frightwinger can’t be healthy.

  50. Farmer
    May 15, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Bolithio, I’m curious, what is your definition of a sustainable forestry model that would be appropriate for our state parks? Green Diamonds clear-cutting model? I hope you’re not going to say they just have to follow the Ca. Forest Practice rules.

  51. QP
    May 15, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Publicly funded elections. Problem solved.

  52. Plan A
    May 15, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Thanks Jeffrey for the links.

  53. Bolithio
    May 15, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Seriously Farmer?

  54. Farmer
    May 15, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Yeah, I’d seriously like to know what you think would be an appropriate forestry model for a state park.

  55. What Now
    May 15, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “Plain Jane says:
    May 15, 2011 at 10:17 am
    I noticed that HiFi didn’t respond to my question if he was becoming socialist.”

    It’s a difficult task for him to address, PJ.
    Being a National Socialist he’s all in favor of socilaism for The Dairy Advisory Board, California
    Realtors Association, California Wine Producers, California Tourist Board, habitat rehabilitation,and the like but heaven forbid we attempt adequate funding for elementary school books, infant innoculations, any roads he doen’t use, and home improvement programs he can’t qualify for or any other program he can’t leech off of.
    However, he will most certainly insist that that there be poice,fire,and medical services available at his beck and call.

  56. Toby
    May 15, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Andrew Bird said: “In fact, Martha will be like having Bonnie, her close friend, on the Commission again.”

    Bonnie who?

  57. May 15, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Let’s eliminate the North Coast Railroad Authority, it has been a sinkhole for tens of millions of dollars. How about it, High Fi? Or would that be a “job killer?” LOL.

    have a peaceful day,

  58. May 15, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Hi Fi, who are the felons? In my book it is the filthy rich individuals and corporations, who became that way at the cost of our humanity, our schools, our infrastructure and future.
    Retroactive windfall profits tax, AND non-violent out of prison AND cut the fricken military budget.
    We are two trillion dollars behind in infrastructure maintenance, get to it= paid labor= revenue.
    We developed a Marshall Plan after WW2 to rescue what would become our trading partners. We need a Peoples Marshall Plan to kickstart our stalled economy.
    General George Marshall line five please.

  59. May 15, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Redevelopment agencies receive over $5 billion of tax increment revenues annually. Lacking any reliable evidence that the agencies’ activities increase statewide tax revenues, we assume that a substantial portion of these revenues would have been generated anyway elsewhere in the region or state. For example, a redevelopment agency might attract to a project area businesses that previously were located in other California cities, or that were planning to expand elsewhere in the region. In either of these cases, property taxes paid in the project area would increase, but there would be no change in statewide property tax revenues.

    To the extent that a redevelopment agency receives property tax revenues without generating an overall increase in taxes paid in the state, the agency reduces revenues that otherwise would be available for local agencies to spend on non–redevelopment programs, including law enforcement, fire protection, road maintenance, libraries, and parks.

    Redevelopment is the kind of socialism that Republicans like Hi Fi favor.


  60. Anonymous
    May 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    So, Reagan was responsible for the largest state tax increase in U.S. history, while initiating policies of public divestment.

    It would appear that Jerry Brown is the best democrat republicans could have.

  61. Bolithio
    May 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Ok Farmer, I was thinking of something between the Arcata Community Forest NTMP and the old Jackson State demonstration forests. The USFS has some good ideas for promoting late-sucsesional qualities too, and in redwood, you can use selection to get ridiculous DBHs using selective harvesting techniques. I think arcata trends very light on harvesting, and their timber bank roll is getting padded as result. The park should be more aggressive since the situation is different. (i.e. lower sites, tanoak)

  62. Julie Timmons
    May 15, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Wikileaks, thank you for making my point that these old issues are already being addressed.

    May 15, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    All these budget cuts,

    yet for Humboldt County, 2/3 of the budget does not even represent local interests as the funds are state and federal kickbacks with strings attached. 1/3 local representation or control within a county budget is less than amenible. Now, back to the costly gnat infested loaf of whole wheat bread purchased a couple days ago from the local grocery at nearly double the price of a loaf of wheat bread less than 2 years ago….

    Darned business frauds……. food prices up, wrotten food incidents up, quantity and quality down…..go figure….food for thought!


  64. Thirdeye
    May 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    highboldtage, here’s the latest on NCRA.


    Freight rail service is being restored from Lombard to Willits. No plans to restore the Eel River Canyon segment. Reality has finally made its way through those thick skulls.

  65. High Finance
    May 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Still no suggestions on where you would cut the state budget other than prisons PJ ?

    Lo, maybe you should move to the Soviet Union where they believe like you do. Oh wait, their empire collapsed and now are busy trying to learn how our free enterprise system works.

    What Now, you troll. You remind me of Mouse, who like Salsman, post ugly attacking posts under various other names.

  66. Plain Jane
    May 15, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    HiFi is reduced to repeating his questions while refusing to answer and insults those he can’t respond to in an honest way.

  67. Mr. Nice
    May 15, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    In the 80s when crack spots were just coming out, California spent 5% of its budget on prisons.

    2011… California spends over 10% of its budget on prisons.

    Have people gotten twice as fucked up or is the state locking people up for stupid ass reasons?

  68. What Now
    May 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    High Finance made to following feeble contention:
    “May 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    Still no suggestions on where you would cut the state budget other than prisons PJ ?

    Lo, maybe you should move to the Soviet Union where they believe like you do. Oh wait, their empire collapsed and now are busy trying to learn how our free enterprise system works.”

    Boy, did they EVER learn how our system worked!
    The Feds and the IMF sent in shock troops under the guise of “advisors”from the Chicago School of Economics and and set-up the most unadulterated example of crony-capitalism in ANY indistrial society to date.
    Russia is now a wet dream that only the Ronald Reagan-Alan Greenspan crowd could adore.
    (Funny how once something is wrecked by the neocons the neocons hold everyone but themselves responsible.)
    What’s the next slogan this crowd can campaign on-“Throw the rascals in!”?

    Now that the USA has been surpassed by North Korea for having the highest percentage of it’s population incarcerated, the neocons and social troglodytes can’t throw enough behind the one union that fits the crieteria of stereotypical bloated thuggery;The California Correctional Officers.
    Even that bastion of fiscalresponsibility, The Howard jarvis Institute is carrying their water againsnt proposed budget cuts.
    Probably in the hopes that when the neocons finally put their jackboots on and pull their armbands out of mothballs, they’ll have their own brownshirts ready and waiting to do their bidding.

    HighlyFried, you’re like a goddamned onion.
    You’ve grown your entire life with your head buried in the dirt.

  69. 2oobular
    May 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Actual substantive debate on real issues seems to be above the capability of “High Finance” though he does well at parroting Sean Hannity. Maybe he is calling one of his lifelines for help, Jane.

  70. May 15, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    HiFi, I was told you are talking about me behind my back. I found your nasty note above. No, I DO NOT post under ANY other name. Period. End of story.

    Now if you feel left out because I haven’t been around much lately to insult you, I’m sure there are many others who would gladly take over the duty. It’s such an EASY job. We would never want our own nasty little HiFi to feel neglected, now would we?

  71. May 15, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    You know a half billion here, a half billion there, it all adds up to real money. If you had a half billion dollars would you use it to run a choo choo from Schellville to Willits?

    “By late 2007, the NCRA was granted 500 million dollars to restore the original line from Napa to Willits.”


  72. Plain Jane
    May 15, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    I’ll make it easier on Hifi. Is it better for a society to spend money to lift people out of poverty early in life or wait until they get involved in crime and spend much more to imprison them? California isn’t the only state grappling with budget problems and prison reform is at the top of their lists. Society can only have the harsh laws and long prison sentences they’re willing to pay for. Rather than spend money years ago on social programs and education, we’re warehousing people at much higher cost with millions of people’s potential wasted.

  73. May 15, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Prop 13’s protection on individual homeowners is fine. But why should corporations and landlords not pay “market rate” on their taxes just like the rent they charge at their office buildings and apartments?
    Jarvis was brilliant to cloak 13 as being to save little old ladies and due to this it will be hard to reform, but that is what needs to happen.
    For those who think we need to cut more, we’ve not only lost funding to schools state wide, but locally, Redwood Acres has lost it’s funding the Sherif’s laying off 30 deputies. You’d think that would get the attention of even the right wingers who revel in starving government.
    In the meantime, for the rest of us, here’s another way to raise revenue: http://www.fixcanow.com

  74. Walt
    May 16, 2011 at 6:44 am

    Still don’t know why nobody’s talking about politicians taking a 35% cut in pay and benefits. End their retirement, like Hurwitz did with Palco employees, and let them live on the “free speech” bribes they take.

  75. Down the Road
    May 16, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Little example as to why there is no money for parks.

    Health & Human Services – County of Humboldt
    Phillip Crandall – Big Boss

    2006-2007 Budget: Salaries $51,680,649
    Supplies & Services $34,004,053
    Other Charges $35,993,809

    2010-2011 Budget: Salaries $64,253,183
    Supplies & Services $52,211,940
    Other Charges $45,618,715

  76. May 16, 2011 at 8:00 am

    DTR, your post makes no sense since it’s completely out of context. Who does that money emply, foe what purposes, and what are the other amounts actually spent for? Without that, they’re just numbers, poor little orphans with no meaning.

  77. May 16, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Down the Road,

    Here is the 990 form for RCAA:


    and the audit:


    links to previous years:


    Take a look at it and we can discuss. I have looked at the RCAA and there indeed might be some bureaucratic nest building going on there and some real estate speculation, the expenses/salaries are very high for a non profit but consider:

    The total cash flow yearly @ RCAA is only %7,000,000 so even if there is some corruption there it pales with what is going on with the cities and counties.

    Also I am curious about 139 Y St. it is listed on RCAA reports as being for temporary housing for homeless. Does anyone know what it is?

    http://urlet.com/leftmost.wondering This is google street view you might have to rotate to get to 139.

    This is curiously listed on page 12 of the audit as a $245,000 loan at 0% from Umpqua Bank for the purpose of providing temporary shelter for the homeless. I don’t think this is the MAC the MAC is on 2nd isn’t it?

    have a peaceful day,

    May 16, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Richard Salzman says:
    May 15, 2011 at 9:05 pm
    Prop 13′s protection on individual homeowners is fine. But why should corporations and landlords not pay “market rate” on their taxes just like the rent they charge at their office buildings and apartments?
    Jarvis was brilliant to cloak 13 as being to save little old ladies and due to this it will be hard to reform, but that is what needs to happen.
    For those who think we need to cut more, we’ve not only lost funding to schools state wide, but locally, Redwood Acres has lost it’s funding the Sherif’s laying off 30 deputies. You’d think that would get the attention of even the right wingers who revel in starving government.
    In the meantime, for the rest of us, here’s another way to raise revenue: http://www.fixcanow.com

    Response: Hmmm, nice responsive sophism for that sophisticated appearance. Yet, public employees and officials still, even to this day, pad valuations, deny or don’t observe legal appeals processes, invent paperwork to cover-over abuses or to create false alibies, etc…. which, by the way, is government fraud and corruption no less upon any impacted homeowner.

    In so far as corporations, commercial, landlords, etc…. it certainly is foolish to suggest that “a blanketed industry” does not have its factions of those who are paying more than their fair share versus those who are not paying their fair share. The decision is in the hands of the “public” tax appraiser often, while at other times, it is sorta a calculator/algarithm/pre-overvaluated appraisal intentionally set to collect more taxes (like basing on false market values) than government legally can collect based on the rule of law. Much of the taxes collected over the years by government has been through mere frauds, frauds. So, we citizens over-pay, they over-spend, and those who like being connected to the inner workings of government and politics (the private sector hypes) seem to clamor for more money in taxes to be pooled and funded by the majority so that the few connected can have Mad money fun.

    Ya, you really hit the head of the nail on that idea, not. Affordable housing – politically, what is that which shall never be?

    You ask, “but why should……..” when it SHOULD say, “but why should SOME …….”. Ya see, it is in the hands of the individual public employee to manipulate “tax” favortisms. Anyhow, if a landlord has occupied(owned) what they still are renting, their taxes should not increase until they decide to sell the asset (and then, they are not even on the hook to pay the property taxes when the new owners are). All real-estate is connected valuation-wise under the current ruses and guises of appraisals by those who collect the taxes. Talk about a conflict of interest, pfffft.


  79. Down the Road
    May 16, 2011 at 9:46 am

    ANM: No bearing on the subject. Are you dull witted?

    The salaries in welfare division of the county jumped
    over $l2,000,000 dollars in a 4 year term with little
    or no population growth. Supplies and Services meaning
    welfare dole hand outs over a $l8,207,887 jump with
    little or no population growth. That is where the
    money is going. Bigger bureaucracy and bigger welfare

  80. tra
    May 16, 2011 at 10:00 am


    With regard to the State of California potentially dismatling the Redevelopment agencies to save money, you may get some indication today as to whether that might happen in the state budget for the coming fiscal year:

    With Brown’s revised budget proposal, local agencies are likely to get some clarity on whether the state’s redevelopment agencies — including those in Eureka, Arcata and Fortuna — are still on the chopping block. In January, Brown proposed eliminating the state’s 400 redevelopment agencies and using the $1.7 billion in savings to backfill the state budget this year and to fund schools and county services in future years. But the Legislative Counsel Bureau recently stated it believes the proposal to be illegal, as it would spend local property tax revenue on state functions.

    It’s unclear whether Brown will continue to seek the closure of redevelopment agencies, but today’s proposal is likely to address the issue.


  81. May 16, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Down the Road,

    I actually agree with some of your points and I agree that the county expenditures in general rocketed up in the last decade but why do you assume that people on “the dole” as you call it are responsible? If poor people are sucking down the taxpayers money through HHS then it is a very thin straw. Most of the money is going someplace else.

    Just who do you think is “on the dole” and how many of them do you think they are and how much money per month do they get? Let’s have a real discussion.

    have a peaceful day,

    May 16, 2011 at 10:41 am

    FREELOADERS know no economic boundaries….just ask GM, GE, Michael Dell’s millions in tax breaks, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Wall Street, Main Street, conservation groups, etc….

    Yep, freeloaders are throughout the current “non-sales tax only” tax code that is predatious upon income, and for which the subsidies that equate to tax gifts, tax breaks, tax exemptions, tax exceptions, tax deferrals, etc…. are a tool to keep “propped-up” illegal tax collections based on political frauds and denials of processes, all the while wondering when the advantageous hand-outs are taken, what will change in the future tax code that will expunge all duty by those who got breaks, thus allowing for even more tax breaks! How about Bon Jovi and his deer poop population monitoring on his land that he virtually has all property taxes waived. Yep, those with money get to research (research costs money) or have others research for them (accountants) all the fascist schemes to dupe society.

    Yep, America, the melting pot of freeloaders!


  83. May 16, 2011 at 10:43 am


    If the fair tax was implemented do you think your own personal tax burden would go up or go down?

    have a peaceful day,

  84. May 16, 2011 at 10:45 am


    What is your personal opinion on redevelopment agencies in general? What in specific has the Eureka Redevelopment Agency accomplished in the last 15 or 20 years? Just two simple questions.

    have a peaceful day,

  85. tra
    May 16, 2011 at 10:58 am

    What is your personal opinion on redevelopment agencies in general? What in specific has the Eureka Redevelopment Agency accomplished in the last 15 or 20 years?

    I don’t know much about the overall track record of redvelopment agencies, nor do I know much about the accomplishments (or lack thereof) of Eureka’s redevelopment agency.

    So I can’t really offer a very well-informed opinion on that particular topic. Sorry.

  86. tra
    May 16, 2011 at 11:14 am


    I did read the info you quoted in


    And I looked over the analysis from the LAO that you had linked to.

    It seems to me that they make a pretty persuasive case that the Redevelopment agencies are not a very effective use of tax dollars, and should be ended. (However, I have not really heard the “other side” of the argument, so I’m not ready to form any firm opinion on the matter.)

    Anyway, here’s the “Conclusion” section of that LAO analysis:

    Given the significant policy shortcomings of California’s redevelopment program, we agree with the Governor’s proposal to end it and to offer local governments alternative tools to finance economic development. Under this approach, cities and counties would have incentives to consider the full range of costs and benefits of economic development proposals.

    In contrast with the administration’s proposal, however, we think revenues freed up from the dissolution of redevelopment should be treated as what they are: property taxes. Doing so avoids further complicating the state’s K–14 financing system or providing disproportionate benefits to K–14 districts in those counties where redevelopment was used extensively. Treating the revenues as property taxes also phases out the state’s ongoing costs for this program and provides an ongoing budget solution for the state.

    Ordinarily, we would recommend that the state phase out this program over several years or longer to minimize the disruption an abrupt ending likely would engender. Given the state’s extraordinary fiscal difficulties, however, the Legislature will need to weigh the effect of this disruption in comparison with other major and urgent changes that the state would need to make if this budget solution were not adopted.

    So it will be interesting to see whether today’s budget proposal update from Gov. Brown will continue to call for the dismantling of the Redevelopment agencies, and if it does, whether the proposal may look more like what the LAO is suggesting, and whether it is “phased out” or ended immediately.

  87. Down the Road
    May 16, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Bill: This is a list of RCAA’s property that is not
    subject to property taxes. This list may be outdated.
    904 G, 833 G, 3020 l7th, 3301 Summer, 815 G, 511-101-22
    Murray Rd. McKinleyville, 300-320 9th St., Fortuna,
    1015 Loni Dr., Fortuna, 2910 & 2912 California St.,
    829 C St., 934 G St. 1100 California St., l528 3rd St.,
    924 & 926 G St., 523, 525, & 537 9th St.. 523 T St.
    and 539 T St. I don’t know about the loan you are
    talking about. My point is that Community Action
    Agencies are throughout the United States and they
    are not paying taxes and they are holding large
    amounts of land. They have more benefits than the
    private sector. These non-profits are helping
    themselves while we the taxpayer are the host.

    Yes, the county is on the dole, look at their
    salaries, their pension plans, etc. I do believe
    there are people who need help. What I see occurring
    in Humboldt County is a racket and I include every
    so called do-gooder in that statement. In horticulture it is called cowing. Example: Ants
    herd aphids and watch out for them. Reason: They
    lick the sweet sticky secretion off their backs.

  88. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Round-up would be the perfect term. This form of dual parasitical ranching goes on all over the state. I used to think that “Redwood” Community Action Agency as a small local outfit out to do our little town a good turn. Come to find out these Action Agencies operate in many and maybe all other Calif. counties and are nationwide. They are a non profit tax exempt outfit making a pretty penny. kinda like some churches

  89. May 16, 2011 at 6:16 pm


    Yes it may be galling that non-profits (including some churches) exploit the tax code and blur the profit/non-profit distinction but what I am telling you is that the RCAA apparently owns some $3,000,000 worth of real estate here in Humboldt according to their financials so that means 1% is $30,000 a year that is missing in property taxes. That is about 25 cents apiece for all the people in Humboldt. It may be a complete scam (I am not saying it is) but if it is it is small potatoes compared to the county and city budgets. If you want to find real corruption you have to look where the money is.

    Now I see that you are using “the dole” not literally as I was taking it but hyperbolically in terms of “over paid and over compensated” public employees.

    I don’t think its that simple. I think a lot of public employees on the bottom part of the pyramid don’t get paid a whole bunch. Cops, teachers, nurses starting out their careers I think are doing ok (if they can get a job) but they aren’t getting rich.

    I think further up in the bureaucracies you will find some folks that are making too much money and have far more perks than the average private sector worker.

    But even that doesn’t explain where all the money goes.

    have a peaceful day,

  90. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    I looked at a house that RCAA sold and I was told they spent somewhere between $85-95,000 remodeling it. It was a cheap butcher job. Should have been around $25,000. What happened to the $60-70,000. Bill I heard it was 7 million in property not 3.

  91. Plain Jane
    May 16, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    Why don’t you go to a meeting and ask them, 7:24:

    The Board usually meets on the third Thursday of every month at 5:00 p.m. at the 904 G Street address in Eureka. Board meetings are open to the public and all community members are encouraged to attend. Call ahead (707 269-2002) for exact meeting date.

  92. tra
    May 17, 2011 at 9:58 am


    Looks like Governor Brown’s proposed budget for the coming fiscal year includes the elimination of all the Redevelopment agencies. So now it’s up to the legislature.


  93. Down the Road
    May 17, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Bill: I don’t know how you are arriving at your
    property values for RCAA. They are wrong. You
    seem to try to lessen the facts. The Health &
    Services Department of the county has a budget of
    around $161,000,000. There are around 135,000 people
    in Humboldt County. Do the math, every man, woman
    and child in this county would have a very good
    yearly income, if this was divided evenly.

    There is no need for RCAA or all the other corporations here that call themselves non-profit.
    while they in fact, they are on the taxpayer’s mammary gland.

  94. Oldphart
    May 17, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    You need to look at how much money for each local agency is raised from local taxes and how much comes from the state. Why hasn’t the Bldg/Planning/public works depts been slated for cuts? Look at where the money comes from.

    Redevelopment has transformed Old Town in Eureka from being a bunch of bars and bordelos to a tourist attraction. That was the point of the Redevelopment funding.

  95. May 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Old Phart,

    When I look at what redevelopmnet has done to Old Town I see a bunch of vacant lots down by the bay along with a few unsold condos. Even bars and bordellos provide jobs for people. Vacant lots grow weeds.

    Do you have any specific examples of where tens of millions of taxpayer dollars have gone?

    have a peaceful day,


  96. May 17, 2011 at 8:00 pm


    I am not defending the RCAA I am merely pointing out that if they are corrupt the corruption must be small compared to the county and city governments. I took their property values from their own website I gave you the links, so sure for that I take their word for the moment. Go look at them and see how accurate they are and if there are discrepancies come back and tell us I am interested too.

    As far as HHS yes I already did the math I showed it to you very early in another thread. They spend upwards of a $1,000 a year for every man woman and child in Humboldt. The average wage and bennies for an HHS employee is over %50,000 a year and there are 1,169 HHS employees.

    Yes there might be some HHS employees who are overcompensated. That is obvious. But the real money is not being spent on salaries it is being spent elsewhere. Drugs? Office space rental? We are talking about $80 or 90 million a year. That is where to look for real corruption if there is any. I am just a mathematician. That is the best I can do for you. You have a sense that something is wrong in local government I am just pointing you to the most likely place you will find it. You might find corruption at RCAA or A1AA or a half dozen other local non profits and sure it all adds up but still small potatoes compared to county and city expenditures. Look for county or city paying above market rates for building rentals for instance. Big gobs of public money can disappear right in front of your eyes.

    DTR, I share your frustrations but you blame the poor and the homeless, I blame the linked in good old boys.
    Blaming the poor for the cost of social problems is something you can do but it is pointless – the poor don’t decide what programs are imposed upon them – the people who profit from the programs do.

    have a peaceful day,

  97. High Finance
    May 18, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Bill, you have only lived here four years.

    If you had seen Old Town back in the 60’s and 70’s you wouldn’t ask such a silly question. The changes have been dramatic.

  98. Anonymous
    May 19, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Eureka’s Old Town survived while cities across America were dismantling theirs because Eureka’s Foobars couldn’t afford it.

    Just like they want to plop another big box on the bay.

    As a result of the tourist, business, and residential value of Old Towns, many cities are spending a fortune to rebuild theirs.

    There’s opportunity and virtue in patience.

    May 19, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Non-Profits – many are guises to rip off the taxpayer/consumer for higher wages while calling those wages an expense, covered under the non-profit status. Basically, it is the same thing as if MicroSoft was a non-profit, where the profits are called reimbursed expenditures. So many non-profits are schemes.

    Why does the government allow non-profit status?

    Answer: To create false, super-inflated market valuations by inventing more costs to claim that to break even, higher returns must be revenued as fundings.

    Gee whiz, I sure would like my earned income to be treated as a cost, then I won’t get taxed as much while, at the same time, making more earnings by claiming as much labor as possible, regardless of the truth or the ethics of that individual to rake in more money.


    Answer: So many people feel that it is ok because so many people are committing non-profit fraud. The government has created many of the nightmare fascist frauds due to the increasing failures of the “OVER-POPULATION PYRAMID SCHEME”. Eventually, not even more subsidizers can plug the gaping debt hole.


    May 19, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Anonymous words that deserve to be recited,

    Thomas Jefferson was a remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
    At 5 began study under his cousin’s tutor.
    At 9 studied Latin, Greek, & French.
    At 14 studied classical literature & additional languages.
    At 16 entered the College of William & Mary.
    At 19 studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
    At 23 started his own law practice.
    At 25 was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
    At 31 wrote the “Summary View of the Rights of British America” & retired from his law practice.
    At 32 was a Delegate to the 2nd Continental Congress.
    At 33 wrote the Declaration of Independence.
    At 33 took three years to revise Virginia’s legal code & wrote a Public Education bill & a statute for Religious Freedom.
    At 36 was elected the 2nd Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
    At 40 served in Congress for 2 years.
    At 41 was the American minister to France & negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin & John Adams.
    At 46 served as the 1st Secretary of State under George Washington.
    At 53 served as Vice President & was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
    At 55 drafted the Kentucky Resolutions & became the active head of Republican Party.
    At 57 was elected the third president of the United States.
    At 60 obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.
    At 61 was elected to a 2nd term as President.
    At 65 retired to Monticello.
    At 80 helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
    At 81 almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia & served as its 1st president.
    At 83 died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.

    Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

    John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”

    When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. Jefferson

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Jefferson

    It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. Jefferson

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Jefferson

    My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Jefferson

    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Jefferson

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Jefferson

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Jefferson

    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Jefferson

    Jefferson said in 1802: I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

    Copy and paste from anonymous…


  101. What Now
    May 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Thomas Jefferson rode into the Temple of Liberty on the backs of slave master’s proxy votes.

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