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ROB ARKLEY: Supervisor Jimmy Smith is an extremist

Mr. Rob Arkley.

It’s funny enough that Eureka power monger Rob Arkley calls Humboldt County Supervisor Mark Lovelace an “extremist.”  But this is downright roll on the floor hilarious.

Arkley’s bullying and political threats continue to hog the spotlight that he promises to shine on others.

The Lost Coast Outpost reports that mild-mannered 1st District Supervisor Jimmy Smith — who can hardly be called a liberal champion — is high on Arkley’s list of targets.  And it appears the Arkster isn’t above lying about Smith’s positions to achieve his goal of defeating Smith in the next election.

Not long after Arkley promised to go after Smith in an email published by the LoCO, a mailer falsely accusing Smith of supporting the Forster-Gill development project flooded mailboxes in Cutten.  Smith doesn’t support the project, and his guy on the County Planning Commission is rabidly against it. The mailer was intended to rile the anti-Forster-Gill folk against Smith.

In Arkley’s skewed universe, the political spectrum runs from right-of-center to the batshit crazy right of right of right.  Anyone that fails to represent Arkley’s agenda 110% — like the Pro-Marina Center, anti-Forster-Gill Jimmy Smith — must be destroyed.

Be sure to read the LoCo post all the way to the end so you can see Arkley’s pissy little response to Hank Sims who dared question Arkley about the mailer.

  1. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    i think if you printed out another batch of those Anti-Arkleyville stickers, you’d sell out pretty quick. at this point, he’s a cartoon character.

  2. tra
    May 16, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Arkley was every bit as obnoxious in this exchange with Jimmy Smith, as he was in his exchange with Mark Lovelace. The difference is that Smith, unlike Lovelace, didn’t take the bait. As a result, Arkley came off looking like even more of a fool. Well played, Jimmy.

  3. Plain Jane
    May 16, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I hope the TS and NCJ pick up on this story. People need to see the real man behind the benevolent benefactor mask for the deceitful, vindictive bully that he is. Start the presses, No Arkleyville!

  4. Andrew Bird
    May 16, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Primary Election Results, June 3 2008, Supervisor First District:

    Jimmy Smith 3,691 votes, 72 percent
    John Vevoda 1,451 votes, 28 percent

    Enough said.

  5. May 16, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I am almost speechless…almost, I said. I’ve known Jimmy Smith a long time. He has always been thoughtful, polite, and always a gentleman, even in the face of pure vitriol like Rob spewed at him.

    No one agrees with every decision an officeholder makes, liberal or conservative. What we do ask is we be considered. Jimmy does that better than almost anyone I’ve seen. Rob, on the other hand, goes out of his way to ignore, insult, and practically deficate on the opinions of others. There was a strong hint in his note to Jimmy which said, “I’m rich and you’re not. You must have wasted your life. Ain’t I special”

    Amazing……not unexpected…..but amazing!

  6. Ed
    May 16, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I’m sure the current eureka city council members (Linda excluded) have perfectly good reasons for their hero to demean Smith. It must be excruciating for Bass to be in the same room with him every week.

  7. Noble
    May 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Ah, I love watching these big children in suits yell “neener-neener” at each other from their opposing sandboxes. Pass the popcorn.

  8. Plain Jane
    May 16, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Keep in mind, this was about Smith’s vote to retain a long term Planning Commission member, not a vote against an Arkley project or anything that serious. His aggressive and dishonest over-reaction to such a minor disappointment should make people think again about his issues with Glass who was perceived as being opposed to the Marina Center. If a vote for a planning commissioner can bring such wrath, imagine what supporting his wife’s political opponent might bring. Scary!

  9. Not A Native
    May 16, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    These emails from Arkley are a hoax, right?

    If not, I don’t expect every again to read that my blanket criticisms of HumCo local culture are harsh, rude, or unwarranted. Or ever, ever, read that Arkley is a ‘good person’.

    As it turns out, I’ve unknowingly been softpedaling the degree of dysfunction and aberration thats accepted here as ‘normal’. All I can say about these emails is I can’t believe they come from someone who isn’t an in patient at Semper Virens or resident at Napa State Hospital.

  10. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Cutten residents are well-organized and know Smith has been the one supervisor supporting them from the start. Smear campaigns against Jimmy will backfire. If anything, stuff like this will turn long-time Republicans against Arkley. Fun antics to watch.

  11. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    “I don’t expect every again to read that my blanket criticisms of HumCo local culture are harsh, rude, or unwarranted.”

    Arkley’s a jerk, and gets lots of criticism, therefore NAN should be allowed to be a jerk, too, but without criticism. Yeah, THAT makes perfect sense.

  12. 69er
    May 16, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    “If anything, stuff like this will turn long-time Republicans against Arkley. Fun antics to watch.”

    I have been until this time a half ass supporter of Rob Arkley, no more. Anyone who takes this kind of a stand against my good friend Jimmy Smith is a true enemy of mine. Arkley money has for many years supported a wildlife association that I am a life member of, we do not need his money anymore. Jimmy Smith is a real gentleman and a friend of all in his district and works tirelessly in their interest. He instigated the cleanup of the South Spit and returned it to the people who own it, the taxpayers of the state. He worked tirelessly for the local interests while serving on the Harbor Recreation and Conservation District and now he works in earnest for the best interests of the 1st District residents. I am a 1st district resident but do not reside in Cutten. Oh yes I am also a registered Republican.

  13. Mack Daddy Yo
    May 16, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    No, extremists are sharks that prey on the economically weak. Much to the dismay of our neighborhood bully, the Coastal Commission will most likely only approve an idyllic park with swings and a merry go round where the Balloon Tracks once existed. Not an old town destroying strip mall full of aesthetically pleasing but poorly constructed shacks that overloads existing roadway infrastructure.

  14. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Arkley needs some serious counseling. Was he drunk when he wrote these emails or is he really this inept at writing (or both)?

  15. Plain Jane
    May 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    What I find particularly just in this exposure of Arkley’s crazy demeanor in dealing with our elected officials is that he instigated it with his PRA to embarrass Lovelace and out Heraldo.

  16. May 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Just desserts, Jane.

  17. Not an Expert
    May 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Hard to believe Arkley was once a tax attorney for Arthur Anderson, Enron’s accounting firm. You’d think that even there people would see him as the megalomaniac nutcase that he is. What happened to make this guy such a vindictive crackpot? And how does his wife stand it?

  18. Anonymous
    May 16, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Turbo greed, and maybe, birds of a feather?

  19. Not A Native
    May 16, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Not An Expert, why would you think Arkley’s wife has significant dissatisfactions with her husband? Its pretty certain she knew his nature exactly when she got involved with him. Its reasonable to believe she likes him because of who he is. Just how much do you know about her? Birds of a feather….

  20. May 16, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I just gave up my blogger tournament cup to Hank through the duration of this story. I don’t know if it will mean as much to him as it meant to me but I told him I will also throw in a beer to put in it.
    Thanks Hank, I owe you a beer!

  21. lurch
    May 16, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Rob done painted himself into a corner but good. He’s not gonna respond to Hank because he doesn’t consider the North Coast’s leading editorialist a journalist … in any form? I guess this means Rob’s not going to be talking to the press any more. Again. Unf for Rob, Steven Glazer’s busy now. Have to find someone else to get in here for another intervention.

    Was it understood at the time that the hit piece flyers were Arkley’s? Certainly Jimmy had to know.

  22. What Now
    May 17, 2011 at 2:12 am

    The cheese obviously slipped off of his cracker years ago.

  23. argoo
    May 17, 2011 at 7:03 am

    What is odd is that we rarely hear about Arkley outside of the blogs. I think the reason is that the real news people won’t publish libel. They openly hate Arkley all day long within the clique (just eavesdrop on them when they’re out in public– they think no one can hear them!) but when it comes to printing such things, mum’s the word. The term is CYA, I do believe. Arkley’s paper war may have ended but he’s far from finished with it.

  24. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Hank Sims deserves credit for filing the information request and courageously putting the facts he uncovered out there for the public to see.

    Thanks, Hank.

    For what it’s worth, you’ve regained a lot of credibility with me. And I’d feel that way if the emails told the opposite story.

  25. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 7:58 am

    It’s not libel if it’s true, Argoo. Most people aren’t willing to risk destroying their careers by irritating Arkley. He’s a sore loser and a sore winner. Hank’s courage is phenomenal in the face of such a vindictive and economically powerful force. One thing is certain, Boss Arkley is a malignancy in local politics and candidates with integrity should be ashamed to be associated with him.

  26. anon
    May 17, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Arkley has demonstrated clearly in these writings that he is a pissy little man with a pissy little attitude, and a pissy little chip on his shoulder who has never left the mental halls of high school with his pissy little swagger. Sad that a man with so much has acquired no class or maturity at all.

  27. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Rob Arkley doesn’t consider Hank a journalist? Who in Humboldt is then? Tom Abate?

  28. Dave
    May 17, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Of all the politicians in Humboldt County, Jimmy Smith is hands down the most honest and classy.

    I’ll never forget he was the only local politician that got behind our push for Stand Downs for veterans in 2006.

    I’m really pleased at the way Jimmy handled Arkley. Well done!

  29. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Dave – and that Jimmy seriously didn’t want to take political advantage of this. Seriously classy.

  30. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 8:44 am

    It was said that Jimmy Smith is considered a conservative. Can someone elaborate on that? I thought Jimmy was supposed to be pretty moderate. Is he conservative in the sense that he is right of Dennis Kusinich and the Arcata city council? Is he a George W. Christian right winger? Just curious.

  31. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Who said Smith was a conservative?

  32. Dollar Bill
    May 17, 2011 at 9:10 am

    You know I couldn’t care for Arkley on a personal basis but the man knows how to work the system for profit. I commend Arkley for this.

  33. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Yeah, Arkley was very astute in his choice of rich parents, Dollar Bill.

  34. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Gotta admit that RA seems more than a little silly in his attacks on Jimmy.

    But remember you this, Eureka is HUGELY better off for all the good works that Arkley has done around town. You don’t have to love him or even like him to be grateful he lives here.

  35. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 9:36 am

    So true, Anon @ 8:05. Also, whoever made the “birds of a feather” comment earlier regarding Mrs. A. You both have the Arkleys pegged.

    These emails to Jimmy Smith are classic Arkley, the type of thing he sends out regularly. He’s just being exposed this time.

  36. DUKE OF URL
    May 17, 2011 at 9:42 am

    HF, do you remember the losses absorbed by the taxpayers when the “Arkley Center” was “gifted” to us?
    It seems like we gifted it to the Arkleys, not the other way around. Is this your example of what the Arleys have done for Eureka?

    “City Manager David Tyson said the “cooperation” HSU is asking for is a discount on the note owed to the city by HSU of up to $150,000.

    Taxpayers may ask, since HSU estimates its own loss-to-date on theproject to be $168,000, why would the city offer to take a $150,000bath as well?”

  37. Ross Rowley
    May 17, 2011 at 9:59 am

    NAN said:

    “I don’t expect every again to read that my blanket criticisms of HumCo local culture are harsh, rude, or unwarranted.”

    NAN, We cross-eyed, buck-toothed locals are laying on our backs doubled up with painful, belly-clenching guffaws as we stuff our mattresses and bury our fruit jars with your retirement loot.

    Lewis: Your name Griner?
    First Griner: What you wanna know for?
    Lewis: I was wondering if you and your brother could take a couple of trucks down to Aintry for us. We’ll be there about Sunday noon.
    First Griner: Drive ’em down there for what?
    Lewis: Me and my buddy here are taking a canoe trip down the Cahulawassee. We’d like our cars to be down in Aintry when we get there. Be there about Sunday noon.
    First Griner: [sarcastically] Canoe trip?
    Lewis: That’s right, a canoe trip.
    First Griner: What the hell you wanna go fuck around with that river for?
    Lewis: Because it’s there.
    First Griner: It’s there all right. You get in there and can’t get out, you gonna wish it wasn’t.
    Ed: [to Lewis, whispering] Look, Lewis, let’s go back to town and, ah… play golf.
    Lewis: [ignoring Ed] I’ll give you thirty dollars to take those cars down to Aintry.
    First Griner: I’ll take fifty.
    Lewis: Fifty, my ass.
    Ed: Lewis, don’t play games with these people!
    First Griner: Whud you say?
    Lewis: I said “fifty, my ass.”
    Ed: [whispering urgently] Lewis!
    First Griner: I’ll do it for forty.
    Lewis: Mm-hmm…
    [to Ed]
    Lewis: You good for ten?
    Ed: Sure.

  38. Reality Check
    May 17, 2011 at 10:02 am

    The house of Arkley is burning and will destroy this entire community-unless he keeps talking!

  39. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Pj, the article insinuates that Jimmy Smith is either “right of center” or batshit crazy right. As I said, I thought Jimmy Smith was supposed to be pretty much middle-of-the-road. I was interested to see if there was a reason he is now considered by Heraldo to be a staunch conservative.

  40. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 10:09 am

    High Finance says:
    May 17, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Gotta admit that RA seems more than a little silly in his attacks on Jimmy.

    Whoa! Am I reading that right?!

  41. Largo
    May 17, 2011 at 10:09 am

    High Finance should change his handle to Sad Apologist.

  42. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 10:12 am

    You misunderstood the insinuation then, Teacher. Heraldo was referring to Arkley’s view of Smith’s political stance, not reality.

  43. May 17, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Arkley good works {HF 9;31am–Arkley Quote “If you are me, do you really care what the City thinks???”–Altruism!!!!!

  44. May 17, 2011 at 10:21 am

    rob arkley said it —If you are me, do you really care what the City thinks???

  45. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Thank you for the clarification PJ. I read Arkley’s comments to Jimmy Smith. Rob appears to be turning into a bigger and bigger a-hole. I appreciate some of the positive changes that Arkley has done for Eureka but his ego seems to be growing at an astonishing rate. He is really representing himself poorly.

  46. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 10:24 am

    HF – I would rather live in a place were people are respectful and nice to one another than one with a few extra theaters and zoos.

  47. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 10:34 am

    I agree but for one point, Teacher. Arkley’s e-mails make him look like a crazy, far right loon willing to viciously smear anyone who is perceived as not being 100% in his camp. That is the real Arkley. While he has done some good for the community, it is far outweighed by his bullying and the fear and corruption that comes with it.

  48. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Then you are blind to all the good things he has done for Eureka 10.24am.

    If you are so soft as to be that upset at a few strongly worded private e-mails perhaps you should go live in fantasy land and play with the unicorns.

  49. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 10:39 am

    er, what “fear and corruption” would that be Miss Plain Jane ?

    Mark Lovelace, Jimmy Smith, Heraldo, Hank Sims and everybody else in town, I don’t see anybody living in fear.

  50. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I really don’t know PJ. I have personally known Rob to be a pretty nice guy. I have heard/read things about him that I believe to be true and that totally run counter to my few interactions with him. I think that as Rob’s business goes down, it hurts Eureka. We will see. It sounds like Security National might be done for. If it is and Rob leaves town, according to you that means Eureka will be a better place. I hope you are right but I don’t see how.

  51. May 17, 2011 at 10:41 am

    This is how Arkley treats people who actually support his loony project.

  52. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 10:46 am

    What “loony project”? The Marina Center?

  53. DUKE OF URL
    May 17, 2011 at 10:54 am

    HF

    Tyson bought the parking lot across from the theatre for $185,000. There are no meters there like there are in most Eureka parking lots. It pays no property tax, though it certainly enhances the value of Arkley’s business. Did Tyson act as a conscious agent for Arkley all through the theatre negotiations? Why has this taxpayer gift to the Arkleys been overlooked all these years?

    “The HSU Foundation purchased the Daly complex for $700,000 using a no-interest loan from the city’s Revelopment Agency. The principal was reduced to $515,000 when the Daly parking lot was deeded to the city.”

  54. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Money isn’t everything, Teacher. Integrity shouldn’t be for sale and that is what he is trying to buy with his “gifts.” Any candidate he supports should be held suspect by the voters since he has made clear what he requires for support, 100% control of every vote they cast. I’d rather have honest local government than all the performing arts centers, zoos, boardwalks and strip malls on the bay that he can afford. IMO, the Marina Center is just another example of Arkley’s vengeance, against Bill Pierson in this case for daring to oppose Cheri Arkley for major and his political donations to liberal and progressive candidates. We are already over-saturated with home improvement outlets and minimum wage jobs don’t support anyone but the owners.

  55. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Teacher says:
    May 17, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “I really don’t know PJ. I have personally known Rob to be a pretty nice guy.”

    Fragments are incomplete sentences. Usually, fragments are pieces of sentences that have become disconnected from the main clause. One of the easiest ways to correct them is to remove the period between the fragment and the main clause. Other kinds of punctuation may be needed for the newly combined sentence.

  56. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 11:13 am

    As usual, I agree with some of what you say and disagree with the rest. I thought Heraldo was referring to the Marina Center as a “loony project.” I am baffled that intelligent people can go to the Balloon Tract and not see the desperate need for improvement. It is a rat invested drug zone that is repulsive to most of the upstanding members of our community. It gets no use except as a launching ground for drug use, prostitution, and other ills of our sad town. I can’t disagree with you more that the Marina Center (don’t forget about the acres restored as a wetlands and park, the small business areas, etc) was anything but a “loony” project. I don’t care what his motivations were as long as the community finally got to benefit from this potentially great piece of real-estate. If I had to guess, I would say that most bloggers, including yourself and Heraldo, live in Arcata and don’t see exactly how far Eureka has fallen. When you oppose htese improvements to our floundering down town area, you oppose them out of spite for Arkley and not because of the project themselves.
    As for his candidates being controlled by his urges, I think that is a very real concern.

  57. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 11:15 am

    5th grader, come again? Where exactly do you spot a sentence fragment (I love the grammatical pissing contests by the way)?

  58. May 17, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Eureka has apparently fallen so far that we need to put it out of its misery with needless big box development.

    But hey, it will hurt Bill Pierson, which is clearly a prime goal as shown by Arkley’s email to Hank Sims.

  59. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 11:22 am

    I live on the outskirts of Eureka and have my whole life. I have seen what is happening but don’t believe turning a piece of (almost) waterfront into a strip mall is an improvement, especially since it will take hardware business away from local outlets, won’t carry locally made products and will ship the profits to their headquarters in GEORGIA FFS! We are better off without new businesses that create a net loss of jobs and circulating money, which Home Depot or any big box always does.

  60. Call of the loon
    May 17, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Teach?

    The balloon track is a launching ground for prostitutes? Teacher you are a plant, an Arkley sock puppet masquerading as a centrist.

    There is a reason the girls hang out down by the library and it isn’t because they are booklovers. It is because the swells coming out of the Ingomar Club after lunch can afford their services, unlike the average working stiff in Eureka. It is because the judges, lawyers and cops heading home from a stessful day need some companionship. Who do you think supports the prostitutes in Eureka? Baristas making minimum wage?

    Prostitution in the Balloon Track? Come over here honey lets climb this fence and we can get it on.

    Hilarious.

  61. anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Getting back to the emails, these are tame and under control compared to many he sends. No profanity or viscious name-calling to go along with the attacks on character.

    Teacher, why do you say Arkley’s business is going down?

  62. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Duke of Url, the Daly Building was a decaying eyesore and if not for Arkley it would still be sitting empty and getting worse. Now there is a city parking lot, Redwood Capital Bank and the Arkley Center. The $185,000 for the parking lot benefits all of downtown everyday. It only benefits the Arkley Center on a few nights per month during shows.

    Same thing happened with the Co-Op building on 4th and have you seen how much nicer downtown looks on 5th ? The boardwalk has a ton of potential and was only possible because of the millions that Arkley donated to the city.

  63. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 11:39 am

    I guess this is where we start to go in circles. The development plans, which won’t come to fruition, were beautiful. Imagine, a place in Eureka close to the water where my wife and I could walk our dogs. Sounds almost like Arcata. It won’t happen. It is going to stay the festering hole that it is for eternity. I guess that is a good thing because at least Pierson’s won’t have competition (that is the cruxt of your argument, right H?).
    PJ, quit talking about your alternate plans. It was either going to get developed with Rob’s money in Rob’s way, or it is going to stay a shithole for drug addicts. I guess you won and it will stay a shithole. Quit with the charade that some up and coming small business that treats its employees well and provides for the community is going to move in and develop the Balloon Tract. I have a tough time thinking that you are serious when you say that.

  64. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Loon, you are completly batty.

  65. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Loon, I’ll defer to your expertise on prostitutes. I guess that the tweaks standing around the soup kitchen next to the Balloon Tract have much higher morals than the tweaks hanging around the library.

  66. May 17, 2011 at 11:46 am

    that is a good thing because at least Pierson’s won’t have competition

    Oh yes, because there are no other hardware stores in Eureka, Arcata, Bayside, Myrtletown, Fortuna, etc.

  67. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 11:51 am

    You missed the point that bringing in more home improvement competition will REDUCE the total number of jobs, not create more, Teacher. While your need for a place to walk your dog is certainly important, it doesn’t trump the need for more jobs rather than fewer which we will get with Home Depot. I’d rather the BT sit empty until there is a more appropriate use for it than forever removing it from the job creation market with a strip mall. Union Pacific is who should be cleaning up the mess they left behind regardless who owns it today.

  68. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I said that in reference to your argument.

  69. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Gee, maybe the “tweaks” standing around the soup kitchen are there to get soup, Teacher. Tweaks spend their money to tweak, not on prostitutes. The soup kitchen’s proximity to the BT is irrelevant as it was in the same location way back when Union Pacific still owned the property.

  70. Call of the loon
    May 17, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Teach, you have no, I reapeat zero credibility anymore. After months of cultivating a persona of a reasonable centrist person on the local issues @ 11:13 today you started spewing like a Marina Center zombie.

    What the fuck happened? Someone bite you on the neck?

  71. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    COTL. Americans no longer have an appreciable level of critical thinking skills, in part, because they attend at least 13 years of school where none are taught. All by Teachers who themselves have no critical thinking skills. Just reading, writing, and arithmetic, everything one needs to work at the Marina Center.

  72. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Teacher says:
    May 17, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “I don’t care what his motivations were…”

    Exactly. Welcome to soulless America. We don’t care about motives, just development and jobs, jobs, jobs. No matter how poor the development, no matter how short sighted, no matter how low the pay, no matter what the motive. Just build me a Big Box where I can buy more soon-to-be-landfill. Screw America and the American economy. As long as I own an 72 inch digital TV and have a 5.5L Dodge Ram Hemi Superthruster in my driveway, everything is cool.

  73. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Sick burn 5th grader (I’m aware that this is not a complete sentence). A key part to being a smartass is being smart. What happened to the sentence fragment you so astutely pointed out in my early post? I was trying to educate you and you never got back to me. To help you sound smarter than you apparently are, reread your last post and see if you can find the sentence fragment (hint: it’s the sentence that starts with “All.” Good luck)
    PJ, you would rather have it the way it is; I would rather have anything in there than what currently exists. We can be done with this argument. I think we have driven it into the ground. Quit with the Union Pacific. We both know they won’t clean it up and neither will Rob if he’s not going to make money off it. It is going to sit as is for the foreseeable future.
    Heraldo, how would you feel about someone in Eureka opeining a new Mexican food restaurant despite the exisitance of current Mexican food restaurants? Should we restrict everything? Just Arkley’s stuff? All big boxes (uh-oh CostCo, WinCo)? What if, we let consumers decide? What if, the people of Eureka, like PJ, get together and choose to support Peirson’s instead of Home Depot thus driving Home Depot out of business? Then, we would have the Balloon Tract cleaned up, I could walk my dog with my wife, the prostitutes would be pushed all the way to the McDonald’s (right Loon?), and we could use the vacated space where the former Home Depot was located for new “light industrial.” We could even put in a continuing education center for people like 5th grader who want to be smart but are dumb. I’ll teach the little guy! Come on, that is a blueprint even you could support Heraldo.

  74. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Some people do not understand the economic impact from a restaurant Vs. a Big Box. This once again reflects on the dismal state of critical thinking skills in America.
    http://www.bigboxtoolkit.com/
    http://reclaimdemocracy.org/walmart/big-box_studies_reports.php

  75. ROTFLMAO
    May 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Teacher says:
    May 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    “I was trying to educate you and you never got back to me.”

  76. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Union Pacific has the ultimate responsibility to clean up the BT and the process was in motion to force them in court to do just that when Arkley stepped in and bought it, promising NO BIG BOXES ON THE BALLOON TRACT and brought the long process to an end. Newcomers like Teacher obviously don’t know enough about the history of the BT to have any credibility. He just wants a doggie park that looks pretty and doesn’t give a shit about the local people who will lose their jobs to Home Depot or the effect of reduced money circulation on a town already in dire straits.

  77. High Finance
    May 17, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Feel free not to shop at Home Depot 5th Grader.

    Do not tell me I have no right to shop there if I wish. I happen to like Gold’s Gym. Do I have the right to tell Health Sport they are not allowed to come to Eureka ?

    I despair of your chances of graduating to the sixth grade kid.

  78. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Do not tell me I have no right to shop there if I wish.

    It’s fine, but Eureka also has the right to deny a variance – a right it has already exercised with another big box proposal. If the opposition ever learns to make the big box the issue rather than the toxins and clean-up procedure, Eureka politics may turn around for progressives.

  79. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    We do have the right to refuse new businesses, HiFi. It’s done all the time. If I wanted to open an adult bookstore in your neighborhood (or anywhere else for that matter) do you have a right to try to stop me? What is your stance again on MJ dispensaries?

  80. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Again, some people do not understand the economic impact from a restaurant Vs. a Big Box. This once again reflects on the dismal state of critical thinking skills in America. Dismal! Those financial types have really screwed America but at least they made a quick buck in the process.
    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/will-the-american-tax-payer-ever-get-back-money-stolen-by-wall-street/question-1791833/

  81. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    HF – Rob A.’s donations are generous, and he deserves recognition for them. But they don’t entitle him to abuse public officials.

  82. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Hi Fi. You have a right to show off your ignorance and to shop at whatever Highball shop you desire.
    http://www.chow.com/recipes/10207-basic-highball

  83. May 17, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Teacher,

    Fair competition is not in the business plan of big box stores. Stomping on the competition and driving them out of business is the business plan of predatory big box corporations. No matter how big Pierson’s is in the local market, Home Depot will do its best to crush him and along with him any smaller home supply/hardware businesses in the area. The imbalance in resources is 1,000 to one. Pierson has a right to be worried. The other small local businesses have a right to be worried.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  84. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Bill. You can not teach someone to observe the obvious. This comes with basic critical thinking skills which too many people with the right to vote lack.

  85. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    5th grader, you question the education system and then don’t take my offer to help you hide your ignorance by teaching you basic grammar? At some point the burden for an education falls on the individual.

  86. ROTFLMAO
    May 17, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Teacher says:
    May 17, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    … don’t take my offer to help you hide your ignorance by teaching you ….

  87. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Rob is bullyonaire. Striking out at anyone who dare go against his will. I just picked up another Arkeyville sticker for my truck. I’ll fly it proudly.

  88. pitchfork
    May 17, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    when does the real clean up start Robin? huh? I mean all the toxic soil! where’s the thousand new jobs Cherie? You guys only want fuck with your adversaries.

  89. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    It’s said that you have to be at a certain level of competence to realize that you are basically incompetent. Thus, the most incompetent among us remain convinced of their competence, seeing no evidence of their own incompetence.

    Teacher, you’d be wise to stop offering writing assistance.

  90. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    We can’t forget that HiFi’s reasons for supporting Home Depot are, as he has stated, because Bill Pierson for donates to liberal and progressive candidates. The only difference between HiFi and Arkley are the numbers at the bottoms of their balance sheets.

  91. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    I agree, Mitch. I thought the reason for an education was to banish ignorance, not hide it. Sounds like Teacher may be in favor of teaching to the test rather than broad education.

  92. factchecker
    May 17, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    About that letter that was sent to Cutten residents…where might that list have come from? It is, of course, illegal to use a list from the election department for such things.

  93. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Does anyone doubt that it was sent by Arkley’s Sunshine group? He didn’t even deny it, just refused to answer because Sims he doesn’t consider Sims a real journalist these days. If Arkley had been born to a millworker rather than a millionaire, his people skills would have landed him in a flop house or prison rather than where he is today.

  94. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Teacher, ha, retired old crank maybe. You really admire the sound of your own (inner) voice.

  95. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Teacher prolly woulda flunked Mr. Nice, the best writer on the local blogs.

  96. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Mitch, I was offering assistance, in a completely sarcastic manner, to someone who questioned my grammar when it was, in fact, correct. I realize at your dream school, there is no right or wrong. Judgments like that make people feel bad and warm, fuzzy feelings are all school should be about, right Mitch.
    Idea for school by Mitchell: Mitch’s Fuzzy Place of Learning, “students are encouraged to like zone out and just be one with the world and stuff. Kids like don’t have to like do stuff, because, out here in Trinidad, we’re all going to inherit shitloads of money anyways. We’ll teach our kids the competition of liberal banter where you never have to actually do anything to back up your words (taught by special guest teacher PJ). Instead, you just make big statements about the “system” and the “man” fucking the poor while you sit in your rich, white community, that, coincidentally, does nothing to help the poor (don’t ask kids). Then kidees go home and enjoy all your money that is a benefit of this fucked up capitalist system while maintaining your status as an outspoken supporter of the poor. One thing we won’t talk about kids, hypocrisy.
    Mitch’s Fuzzy Place of Learning, what education is saposed be!”

  97. ROTFLMAO
    May 17, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Wow! Teacher’s going postal on us (lol)

  98. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Teacher seems to be projecting. Regular readers know full well how often the studies to big boxes causing a net loss of jobs and lower wages in communities where they locate have been posted. Instead of asking posters to support their claims repeatedly, Teacher should do his own homework.

  99. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    No, Teacher, you missed my point.

    My point is you’re a terrible writer. If you were ever really a teacher, you were probably an awful one.

    Here’s a quiz: is it necessary to live in poverty to recognize that poverty is problematic? It’s a true or false question, so please don’t bother with an essay.

  100. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Mitch, you just officially won the “You Are A Fucking Idiot Award.” Reread your question, write it in the form of a True/False, send it back through, and I’ll answer true or false. Congrats on the award. It is well deserved and can be used as a show piece for your new school.

  101. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    And you know, it wasn’t more than a couple of weeks ago that Teacher was complaining about the number of links I provided to support my claims.

  102. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Wow, Teacher. Just… wow.

  103. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    You reversed the order of the first 2 words, Mitch. In order for it to be a T/F, it should have said, “It is,” not “Is it.” Teacher is really getting pissy now.

  104. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Vitriol flows downhill. The worst rich people are the ones in small towns. They are small potatoes compared to the truly rich and it galls them no end when regular people won’t treat them like royalty. That is what makes them such insufferable bullies. That’s why they fly into such rages against us.

  105. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    I wanted the “you are a fucking idiot award!” Mitch doesn’t deserve it, and he doesn’t have the shelf space for it. Give it to me!

  106. Plain Jane
    May 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Since I’ve won it for the past several years running, I declined the nomination this year. Eric and Mitch can fight over it.

  107. tra
    May 17, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Some resources for folks who are having trouble controlling their rage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rageaholic

    http://www.rage-anon.org/

    Best of luck to all.

  108. Be Angry
    May 17, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Arkleyistas givith with one hand and taketh with the other.

    While you rejoice in the $6 million he’s donated, it’s a pittance compared to the potential windfall of his lawsuit against the people of Humboldt County.

    The million, or so, he’s spent to circle his wagons around the GP with lobbyists, front-groups, attorneys, and politics…represents pennies on the dollar…it’s why they do it.

    If we had community media, this would be a no-brainer.

  109. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Teacher’s probably just having a bad day. I still want my award, though, Eric. I’m definitely a bigger fucking idiot than you. It’s mine!

  110. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    And, PJ (if I may parrot you for a moment), you’re right. Out of four letters to place, I blew two. My grade is only 50%, unless Teacher is willing to count the space, which I got correct. Even then, though, I still only got 60%. BFI.

  111. Eric Kirk
    May 17, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Fix job!

  112. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    You blew the most important words Mitch. That’s on you and we not should light make of it (see my point).
    The answer to your poorly worded, award winning question is 100% tralse.
    Sorry to the other entrees and there are many deserving candidates. Mitch continues to outshine everyone and I think it may take something special to wrestle this award from Mitchell’s little hands.

  113. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Has Teacher always been this hostile in his/her posts? I don’t remember such rage in the past. Maybe Teacher can apply to be Arkley’s editor since it’s evident he sorely needs one. Unfortunately, it appears he/she will not be much help in the anger department.

  114. Teacher
    May 17, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    You mistake my humor for anger.

  115. Mitch
    May 17, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Teacher: “While a double negative can sometimes convey a positive — ‘I did not not pay attention!’ — a double affirmative can never convey a negative.”

    Student: “Yeah, right.”

    Badabing.

  116. Smart 5th Grader
    May 17, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Teach @ 2:00. You need help with your anger management.
    Eureka Anger Management Therapist – Anger Management Therapist …
    Eureka California – Clinical Social Work/Therapist
    If you’re looking for help with anger management in Eureka, Humboldt County …
    therapists.psychologytoday.com › … › Humboldt County

  117. Smart 5th Grader
  118. Call of the loon
    May 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Teach,

    Time to turn you over you are done.

    You have totally outed yourself today as a soldier in the Security National Zombie Army. You are the living dead in a Marina Center t-shirt.

    Time to make up a new internet ID for the Herald, and spend a few more months re-establishing your creds with a whole new (fake) ID.

    Here’s some help from the thesaurus:

    teacher,noun,

    One who educates: educator, instructor, pedagogue, trainer, tutor

    Just a thought. Or you could just go on fooling us goobers with your current disguise.

  119. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Teacher’s hemorrhoids must be acting up.

  120. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Teacher — if they build the Marina Center, what makes you think that the bums and addicts won’t hang out around it, especially in the evening, and in the park-like areas where you’d like to walk your dog?

  121. DUKE OF URL
    May 17, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “Rob and Cherie Arkley are buying the Daly complex in downtown Eureka.

    “Humboldt State University officials are expected to announce later this week that they have agreed to sell the property to businessman/philanthropist Arkley and his wife, a former Eureka City Council member who was narrowly defeated in her bid for mayor in November. The sale price is $315,000 — $135,000 less than the $450,000 outstanding balance, according to sources.”

    ” Two of the three buildings will be resold for an undisclosed amount to developer Steve Strombeck to house the new Redwood Capital Bank”

    “The $315,000 figure was not the highest offer”

    “Once restored the theater will be donated to a community nonprofit and available for use by all theater, dance and music groups.” [Cherie Arkley]

    “”It will not be owned by one [performing arts] group, but by an entity with the capability to run a theater and do all the scheduling,” she said.”

  122. empires end
    May 17, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Arkley is a fat, alcoholic bastard with a rich kids overinflated sense of self-worth.

    His strip mall plans for the balloon track will never come to fruition because the actual cost of a real cleanup will be too much now that our protectors at Humboldt Baykeeper were able to force him into taking their inpput on the issue with their successful lawsuit against SP & SN. They got their legal lunches handed to them. Thank goodness.

    As for redeveloping the balloon track, there are many possible avenues for bringing this prime piece of real estate into economic production that will benefit the area. A big box mall is not one of them. As explained repeatedly to the community, that sad outcome will be a repeat of the Bayshore mall hit on old town with massive traffic headaches to go with it.

    citizens 1 / biz-Arkley 0

  123. Stay in school
    May 17, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Teachers says: “At some point the burden for an education falls on the individual.”

    It is especially important to take the burden of education upon yourself when your Teachers can not teach you anything valuable – such as thinking skills.

    Teacher is an good example of the mediocre minds that rule dull classrooms. Recall that Teacher does not bother to proof read his posts. Nor does Teacher bother to think very deeply.

    The way to treat a bureaucratic twit like Teacher is to laugh in his face. And leave his “classroom”.

  124. Stay in school
    May 17, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    4:40 asks: Teacher, what makes you think…

    Great question. Better question: Teacher, how could you LEARN to think?

    Even better question: Are we actually paying your salary, Teacher, to pass along to students your lazy, sloppy patterns of “thinking”?

  125. voice of reason
    May 17, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    There’s a lot of argument that a big box locating in Humboldt County will result in a drain on local purchases. Don’t you think this has already happened. Many people I know, from both sides of the political spectrum, regularly talk about their trips to Santa Rosa, Redding, Crescent City or even Oregon to load up at big boxes and avoid paying high prices here and in the case of Oregon, avoid sales tax as well.

  126. May 17, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    If people are actually driving to Oregon to avoid sales taxes a big box on the Balloon Track won’t stop that. $5.00 a gallon gas might stop it though. This is stupid. Next.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  127. May 17, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Teacher may be OK with grammer but has no clue about basic economics. And Arkley still appears to be a raging megalomaniac. Some things never change

  128. Anonymous
    May 17, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Arkley is most certainly a megalomaniac, at the very least. He appears to be ill/evil, some combination that results in the crazy meanness he exhibits over and over again. He’s also shown himself to be dishonorable in his business practices, avoiding his debts and actively trying to destroy others, bragging about doing so. Why do people continue to glorify him? Sure, he’s done nice things for the community but at what price? Ultimately, he’s a sad, sick person who needs help.

  129. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Rob, if you are reading this, read the above post. Try to work on your reputation by not writing crazy emails and letters, not listening to your close staff members who only care about keeping their job, possibly by saying nasties about other employess (we have seen this one repeatedly), and quit your mean spirited practice of trying to punish those you disagree with. It only makes you look bad.

  130. High Finance
    May 18, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Wow, Teacher really got under the skin of a lot of you libs.

    You can always tell when one side is losing an argument. You all ganged up and attack him on grammer ?

    PJ quotes “studies” that show big boxes cause a net loss of jobs. When that has been debunked here several times before. So once again, perhaps that was true before on-line sales but even then is was more on a regional basis. Eurekans (of which Plain Jane has told us that she is not one) should be most concerned about Eureka.

  131. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 8:19 am

    When was it debunked, HiFi? I certainly haven’t seen it debunked even one time. You got a link to this study which debunked the studies which have shown time after time that big boxes cause a net decrease in jobs? Claiming something was debunked isn’t the same thing as proving it. Since you have also admitted you don’t live inside the city limits, who the fuck are you to talk?

    While you’re at it, why don’t you point out what argument Teacher was winning yesterday? You seem to have a serious problem with reading comprehension or maybe you just aren’t very bright. When you exaggerate that “You all ganged up and attacked him on grammEr” your exaggerations become lies.

  132. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 8:28 am

    8:10,
    or maybe some folks are really tired of a couple shit posting trolls. your bitchy post’s aren’t designed to promote reasoned discourse. i think they are designed to bring out the worst in people and deceive. in other words, you are shitting up this forum on purpose, and that’s just kind of pathetic.

  133. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 8:37 am

    I shared this post (and emails) with as many Eureka friends as possible. Even people who use to defend Arkley are now seeing him as a first-class A-hole.

  134. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 8:41 am

    For the record PJ, my grammar was called into question and, knowing grammar as I do, I tried to point out that the sentence I wrote was actually grammatically correct. However, the person who said I was stupid and that I did not use proper grammer (he used an incomplete sentence to state this- 5th grader), would not discuss the issue with me when I tried to confront him on it.
    As for everything else, I feel as though we both expressed our feelings and point-of-views. Let’s not get stuck in that mindset where one point-of-view is correct and the other is wrong. If I support some conservative ideology that doesn’t make me wrong, it’s simply how I see the world. Our differences are what makes discussions interesting and worth having.

  135. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I read the thread, Teacher, so I don’t need a synopsis from you. My point was that not everyone was attacking you and you weren’t attacked because you were winning any debate. Your opinion that there is no point of view that is correct is part of the problem with this country today. There are real facts and there are made up “facts” and “facts” which are diametrically opposed can’t both be true facts. If your opinion is that 2+ 2 equals 4 and mine is that 2 + 2 = 5, only one of us has the correct opinion. Pretending that all opinions are equally valid is pure nonsense and a bit alarming from someone who claims to be a teacher.

  136. Ed
    May 18, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Succinctly said Jane. Well Teacher which is it, evolution or the bible in the science class?

  137. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 8:58 am

    I completely agree PJ and think that is a fascinating point; math is based on fact. Now back to what we talk about, politics. Politics is base on opinion.
    Ed, when it comes to science, there are facts that people need to respect and acknowledge. However, if you are looking for a scientific blog, you are in the wrong place. As a political blog, it seems to me that we’re probably going to be in the realm of opinion. Or, do you like PJ, know the “right” opinion that the rest of us need to listen to?

  138. Ed
    May 18, 2011 at 9:04 am

    If a teacher wants to sidestep facts in forming their opinion, they’re not much of a teacher are they.

  139. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Wrong, Teacher. Political opinion is based on facts as well. If you believe an untruth about an issue and base your opinion on that untruth, how is that as valid as an opinion based on truth? It isn’t as easy to find the truth of a political problem as it is a math problem, but truth still exists and opinions built on truth are superior to those built on lies. It’s incredible to me that you can’t grasp such an elementary concept, meaning unbelievable of course.

  140. tra
    May 18, 2011 at 9:16 am

    “Politics is based on opinion.”

    Well, yes, but some opinions are more firmly rooted in the facts than others.

    For example, it’s a fact that Smith voted to re-appoint Bruce Emad to the Planning Commission. In the opinion of Rob Arkley, that makes Smith an “extremist.”

    Arkley of course has a right to express his opinion, and the rest of use have every right to express our opinions about how bizarre and ill-founded we think Arkley’s opinion is, as well as how obnoxious he was in how he expressed that opinion.

  141. Call of the loon
    May 18, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Teach,

    A blogger sits in a little cubical in an office building somewhere in Humboldt County. Or heck, it could be Sacramento or Sunnyvale. He gets paid by the hour to contaminate and distort the political debate of our community in online discussions. His salary and the cost of his little cubical are just business deductions for the rich man who employs him and in whose interest he toils. The taxpayers thus subsidize a private propaganda machine that is contaminating our debate. Now that’s a scandal.

    Perhaps you could give us lessons in how it is done? There are lots of unemployed people here.

  142. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Well hell then PJ, why don’t you make it easy on all of us? Since you can decipher truth from lie, why don’t you just list out your opinion on all things political and then I’ll know how we should all see the world.
    I had it all backwards as a teacher Ed. I wanted people to think critically for themselves. I thought, foolishly, that intelligent people could form their own differing opinions until I learned, this morning in fact, that there is one right way to see the world.
    PJ, you sound so similar to the conservative right and the Islamic extremists. Your hypocrisy is hilarious and keeps me reading this blog.
    Riddle: What do PJ, Ed, Osama Bin Laden, and Glen Beck all have in common?

  143. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Tra, I completely agree. I think that Rob sounds like an asshole for how he has treated Jimmy Smith who, by all accounts, is a nice man.
    Loon, rad post. I have no idea what you are talking about.
    Answer to riddle- They all know the “right” way to view the world.

  144. Call of the loon
    May 18, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Teach:

    “Riddle: What do PJ, Ed, Osama Bin Laden, and Glen Beck all have in common?”

    Answer: They all showed up in one of Teach’s sentence fraagments.

  145. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:27 am

    There you go with hyperbole and insults again, Teacher. When you can’t win a debate with logic, that’s the next logical step for people too lazy to do any research before they form an opinion and then whine because people who did the research won’t change their minds to agree with your unsupported opinions. If you want to just toss insults and unsupported opinions back and forth, go play with someone at your own level. I would suggest the playground.

  146. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I have an example of how political opinions can differ because of the facts that they were built on.

    Obama proposed a civilian national security force in a speech he gave in Colorado Springs in July of 2008. It was a brilliant speech in which he talked about what is required for a nation to be secure such as well trained teachers, nurses, environmental workers, etc. who would work to improve their communities in their special areas. Now the right wing media echo chamber took a portion of that speech out of context and claimed that Obama was proposing brown shirt militia / police forces to crack down on dissidents and people who use those propaganda “news” sources formed an opinion of Obama based on the out of context and completely false claims.

    Is the opinion of a person who actually listened to the entire speech and understood what was being proposed superior to that of a person who heard only the out of context portion and the hysteria over brown shirt thugs? Or are both equally valid?

  147. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 9:35 am

    PJ, it is called humor. Look it up on wikipedia and see what they say about it.
    As for everything else, just keep telling yourself you won an argument. It’s totally a winable argument and not two people discussing differing opinions. Your intellectual weight is crushing me. I bet you are still undefeated in arguments. Have you ever lost one?
    Loon, what are you talking about? I honestly have no idea what a sentence “fraagment” is? Maybe HSU teaches “fraagments” but I’ve never been educated on them. Please inform me as you have piqued my interest.

  148. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 9:37 am

    The person who listened to the entire speech has a more informed opinion. However, what if two people listen to the entire speech and come away with different conclusions? Is one right?

  149. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Depends on the intellect of the listener and their agenda. I’m sure the right wing propaganda machine knew they were lying about the content of the speech, but they don’t tell that to their readers. Anyone who actually listened to the entire speech and came away with that opinion would have to be a cretin. People who continue to trust media sources which have been shown time and time again to be untrustworthy have only themselves to blame, but their idiocy shouldn’t be a reason to respect their opinions.

  150. Call of the loon
    May 18, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Teach, when you attempt to derail the real topics by these grammatical diversions you are engaging in sophistry.

    quote: “Sophism has two different but related meanings: In the modern definition (from Plato), a sophism is a specious argument used for deceiving someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a category of teachers who specialized in using the tools of philosophy and rhetoric for the purpose of teaching aretê — excellence, or virtue — predominantly to young statesmen and nobility. The practice of charging money for education (and providing wisdom only to those who can pay) led to the condemnations made by Plato (through Socrates in his dialogues). Plato regarded their profession itself as being ‘specious’ or ‘deceptive’, hence the modern usage of the term.

    The term sophism originated from Greek σόφισμα, sophisma, from σοφίζω, sophizo “I am wise”; confer σοφιστής, sophistēs, meaning “wise-ist, one who does wisdom, one who makes a business out of wisdom” and σοφός, sophós means “wise man”.”

  151. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I have to ask since I’m sure I’m not the only one wondering, are you blogging from your classroom, Teacher?

  152. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 9:44 am

    “Let’s not get stuck in that mindset where one point-of-view is correct and the other is wrong. If I support some conservative ideology that doesn’t make me wrong, it’s simply how I see the world.”

    Well, that about sums up the state of this country. Today”s “conservative” ideology is based on a “point of view” not on facts. The Fox/Limbaugh network presents these points of view on equal footing with actual fact, giving them the appearance of legitimacy. Those with feeble thinking skills and little knowledge of science, economics or history cannot distinguish a credible source of information from political propaganda. It is a circular affirmation of “reality”, with no connection to what is real.

    Example: In how many school districts is it mandatory to teach biblical myth on equal footing with science? How many times has this been defended with the argument that one point of view is as valid as the other?

    After all, just because conservative ideology says the earth is 7,000 years old, that doesn’t make the “conservatives” wrong…does it, Teacher? It’s just how they see the world.

  153. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Do you really think that a current teacher could spend this much time at a computer? Even tenure has its limits.
    Interesting topic though. What do you do PJ that it allows you to spend so much time on blogging?
    Stay in School, I completely agree that evolution should be taught in school and that there is no place for religious teaching in public school. Guess we can’t argue on this one.

  154. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 9:59 am

    No, I don’t think a teacher would be able to blog so much which is why I asked, Teacher. I am self-employed and my work has unavoidable periods when I have to be at my computer but can’t do anything but wait for downloads and uploads. I am paid for the work accomplished, not the time it takes to do it.

  155. tra
    May 18, 2011 at 10:00 am

    On the subject of potential Big Box development in Eureka:

    It seems likely (and past analysis has suggested) that the vast majority of money brought in by a Big Box store in Eureka will simply be diverted from existing businesses in the city, in other local cities, and in the unincorporated county. It seems unlikley that a Big Box would produce any net gain of jobs in the county, once jobs lost at existing businesses are accounted for.

    There may even be a net loss of jobs and income:

    (1) if the Big Box succeeds in driving some competitors out of business, while the Big Box, due to economies of scale, is able employ fewer people for a given amount of sales.

    (2) if the Big Box provides, on average, lower wages, fewer benefits, and more part-time positions when compared to the existing businesses that lose sales to the Big Box and then have to either eliminate some employees, cut wages and/or benefits, or close down entirely.

    One the “plus” side are:

    (1) the greater economies of scale and fewer, less-well-paid employees may translate to lower prices on some products (at least until enough competitors have been eliminated).

    (2) additional sales tax revenue to the City of Eureka (though this will mostly just come at the expense of the county, and other cities in the county).

    So IF you don’t much care about the risk of an overall net loss of jobs, income and benefits, and IF lower prices (at least for a while) and higher tax revenue for Eureka (at the expense of other cities and the county) are all you really care about, then Big Box development in Eureka might seem like an appealing idea.

  156. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 10:12 am

    A factor you didn’t mention, Tra, is that big boxes rarely carry local products which hurts our small scale producers, especially if their wholesale customers are driven out of business by big boxes, more drain on the local economy and the amount of money circulating.

  157. Mitch
    May 18, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Well, yes, but some opinions are more firmly rooted in the facts than others.

    With the development of Faux News, platoons of people are mobilized to generate facts in support of opinions, rather than use the old-fashioned approach of developing opinions from facts.

    As politicians know well, it’s almost always possible to find a statistic that can be framed in a way that supports their position. Often, the statistic is being used in support of fraud, but the detection of the fraud is made difficult by many people’s inability to understand statistics, and by many people’s unwillingness to accept unpleasant truths.

    I long ago stopped shaking my head when I’d hear right wing politicians complaining about million dollar federal expenditures. The pols knew, or should have known, that a million isn’t “like a billion.” But they know that public innumeracy will allow them to get away with their BS.

    One of the many clever things the Obama administration has quietly started is a web site from which you can get an itemized receipt for your income taxes. It actually lets people see how many dollars they’ve paid towards each budget category. How much have you heard about this in the “free press?”

    If the corporate United States media were actually interested in communicating neutral information, they would have been doing this long ago, knowing that people can understand quantities with which they deal on a daily basis (tens, hundreds, even thousands of dollars) but have little ability to make sense of national budget numbers (millions, billions, and trillions of dollars).

    But it is in their interest, just as it is in the interest of the right-wing, to leave people’s understanding intentionally fuzzy.

  158. tra
    May 18, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Good point, P.J. (and sadly true of Winco, Costco, Target, and many other local chain stores).

  159. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Costco, at least, does carry some local food items as do Safeway, Rays and Murphy’s, Tra. Of the chains, only Murphy’s carries local beef and produce.

  160. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Teacher, while you don’t think religion should be taught in schools and science should, a large segment of this country does not agree with you and I. Where the conservative point of view rules, biblical myth is presented as fact.

    You did not address the essence of my comment, which responded to your notion that one point of view is as valid as the other, regardless of factual basis, and that supporting some conservative ideology doesn’t make [one] wrong. The bible as science example should lead you to reconsider that statement you made earlier.

  161. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Stay in school, on this blog, we talk about politics. I believe that if you disagree with my political views, it does not mean you are wrong, misinformed, and/or stupid. Not all opinions are equal. If someone is misinformed and ignorant, their opinion is not as valid as someone who is an expert on the given topic.
    Back to this blog, most the things that I discuss on here are purely opinion. That is my point. Is Rob Arkley good for the community? What would the impact of Home Depot be on the local economy? On downtown?
    We discuss opinions.

  162. Smart 5th Grader
    May 18, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Teacher says:
    May 18, 2011 at 8:58 am

    “Politics is base on opinion.”

    Sigh. And we wonder why our students graduate with such poor critical thinking skills. Coincidentally, a plus for polyticians who do not want critically thinking voters and a plus for merchants selling disposable crap manufactured by third world wage slaves. Coincidence? I think not.

  163. Smart 5th Grader
    May 18, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Teacher says:
    May 18, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “We discuss opinions.”

    Some of us try to stick to the facts.

  164. High Finance
    May 18, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Other than lumber what vast array of “local products” does Pierson’s carry that Home Depot doesn’t ?

    And check your own “reading comprehension” PJ 8.19am ? Point out where I said Teacher was winning any argument ? I said he must be due to the off topic attacks you pack of snarling posters.

    Where your “studies” were debunked was when people have pointed out the benefits to the greater Eureka area. Any net loss would be suffered by the region.

    But then you never listen.

  165. High Finance
    May 18, 2011 at 11:14 am

    LOL “Anonymous” 8.28am !!!!

    Do you realize the supreme irony of your idiotic post ?

  166. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 11:26 am

    5th grader, you went through my posts today and found one where I forgot to make the word past tense. You then use that to prove my ignorance. I think it pretty plainly reveals that you have very little to offer to this site. I sincerely hope you are a 5th grader because then there is a hope for you to become a brighter, more enlightened person. If you are an adult and your peak is reading through old blogs and looking (incorrectly) for grammatical mistakes that you do not comprehend (I’m still willing to explain sentence structure to you), then life just hasn’t turned out that well for you. I think I may have to award you with the “Aaahhh, He’s Trying Really Hard Award.” Congratulations. Now go ahead and spell check me.
    I agree completely HiFi. I never commented on the irony of 8:28am but had a good chuckle about it this morning.

  167. tra
    May 18, 2011 at 11:28 am

    …purely opinion…We discuss opinions

    And yet, as you just acknowledged, opinions are formed, at least in part, on facts (or at least what the opinion-former perceives to be facts). So if the discussion is to go anywhere, eventually we end up talking about the facts.

    As far as the question “What would the impact of Home Depot be on the local economy,” I agree that any answer is bound to be part-opinion, rather than pure fact, since the question asks what will happen in the future in a complex context where not all variables can be predicted with complete accuracy. Still, some predictions (opinions about the future) are more firmly grounded in the facts (as opposed to, say, wishful thinking) than others, and are therefore more likely to come true.

    I guess if we were discussing our personal aesthetic judgements about a piece of art, music, poetry, or something like that, we could call our statements “pure opinion.”

  168. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Saying that there will be some benefits to the city to offset the loss of jobs and loss of income to other cities doesn’t debunk anything, HiFi. You once again demonstrate a lack of critical thinking skills and honesty. I didn’t attack Teacher on his grammEr (your spelling) and your claim that he “must” be winning because he was attacked by “all” is demonstrably false.

    You have stated that the reason you want Home Depot is to hurt Pierson’s because of their donations to candidates you don’t like, so don’t now try to pretend that it’s because you think Home Depot would be good for the community. You are just another of the hateful right wingers who would cut off their noses to spite their faces. You don’t care about this community or the majority of the people, especially those who don’t share your far right political views. Your City of Eureka RAH RAH / rest of the county GFS attitude is obvious and the people who lose their jobs throughout the county should remember that it was you members of the Eureka Chamber of Commerce who are to blame. Your shortsighted and greedy agenda is becoming obvious to more people all the time and hopefully they will give you the opportunity to experience business failure up close and personal.

  169. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 11:44 am

    We choose what facts we talk about Tra. You are not with me on this one. You don’t agree that when talking politics, we inevitably delve into the realm of personal opinion. When we site sources, we choose which sources we site based off of the opinion that we are trying to prove. Is HiFi stupid because he disagrees with the overwhelming sentiment on this blog? Are all traditional conservatives (not Christian) who believe in small gov’t stupid and wrong? Or, do they simply see things differently and have a different opinion?

  170. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Will these emails Hank S is putting out there appear in any of our local “mainstream” media…that is, print media? More people in our community really need to see these and gain some insight into the Arkley agenda, tactics and mentality.

  171. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 11:45 am

    PJ, your hypocrisy is insane. I feel like you are messing with me. Keep putting HiFi into that simple little “hateful right winger” box you love so much. Your acting very Fox Newish. Every time you make a gross generalization like that, I’ll throw one back your way. You are a whining fat-ass do-nothing liberal who talks about all the ills of society while doing jack to fix anything. When is the last time you worked at a food bank, soup kitchen, handed out blankets? If the liberal causes are yours, in what ways do you actively support them?

  172. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    There you go again throwing out your ignorant opinions and insults with no facts to support them, Teacher. You know nothing about me, what causes I work for or support; but you would never let ignorance prevent you from voicing those opinions and declaring them equal to those with informed opinions. Our children are fortunate that an idiot like you is no longer in the classroom dumbing down our kids.

  173. Smart 5th Grader
    May 18, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Teacher says:
    May 18, 2011 at 8:58 am

    “Politics is base on opinion.”

    Teacher 8:26. My comment was not about your continuing misuse of American English, we have become accustomed to your dialect. My comment was regarding “fact” vs. “opinion”. The Founding Fathers thought it was “factual” that democracy was a more just system than monarchies. The British dismissed this as “opinion”. I think history is able to distinguish the difference. Today FOX News, No Class Finance, Wall Street and Congress are unable to distinguish “fact” from “fiction” regarding social policy. i.e. $600 monthly checks to poor moms is “socialism” while trillion dollar bailouts for Bankster CEOs making $160 million per year is “sound economics”. I am happy you are a retired “teacher” and I hope you never need to educate our children again.

  174. Auntie Arkley
    May 18, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Arkley is just a piece of shit scumbag. He needs to be removed from the planet. Who gives a fuck what his worthless, fascist opinions are, anyway? He’s just a whiney little punk. Rob: Fuck off.

  175. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Jane, the problem is you always think your links and your “research” are facts, and other people’s are fiction. Then you accuse them of not reading up on the topic. Fact is, people “read up” in different sites and articles, and don’t always agree with your “facts”. Politics is so much opinion, and so few facts.

  176. High Finance
    May 18, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    PJ, 11.32am. Time for you to take a vacation, your lies and attacks are sounding increasingly hysterical.

    I do not support Home Depot because I want to hurt Pierson’s. Never said it or anything even close to it. I have stated I shop at Shaffers because it is a equally good store and I don’t like Bill Pierson’s politics.

    I support Home Depot because I believe this is still a (mostly) free country and they should be allowed to build where they wish. This is a (mostly) free country and people should be allowed to shop where they wish. You have no right to tell anybody where to shop.

    Now, go take a valium and seek some counseling. You are sounding more and more like that lunatic Auntie Arkley !

  177. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    You are a blatant liar, HiFi. You said exactly that on this blog and I’m sure other people read it as well. I’d tell you to GFY; but that’s probably already your only sexual outlet, so go jump in a lake.

  178. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    PJ, I called you generalized names that true hateful right wingers call liberals to demonstrate the unfairness of gross generalization and labels. It is what you continually do to HiFi who has well-thought albeit differing opinions from the predominant opinions on this site. Therefore, you label him a “hateful right winger.” Even when I don’t agree with him, I appreciate his thoughtfulness and seldom see him slinging mud as you and I both do (reference your last comments about both us and/or my comments about you for evidence).
    5th grader, what you wrote is finally coherent and makes a succinct point. I agree with you. I think the bailout goes against everything our country should stand for. As for the rest of your comments, they really hurt my feelings. My advice is quit why you are ahead. You already have the “Awhh, He’s Trying Really Hard” award. There is really nothing left for you to aspire for. By the way, quotation marks go outside the punctuation (yours are on the wrong side of your periods) and you need a comma in your last sentence to separate the two independent clauses and correctly write a compound sentence. Don’t worry. You are not supposed to learn that until 6th grade.

  179. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Another thing you do, Jane, is resort to GFY, call people leg humpers, or other offensive remarks. I hope not to meet you.

  180. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    PJ is beginning to sound like Mr. Arkley.

  181. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    The feeling is mutual now GFY, Leg Humper.

  182. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Teacher, opinions that are not firmly grounded in reality are not worth discussing. You are of the opinion that the Marina center should have big box stores. You believe it will be good for local economy. Many studies have shown the opposite to be true. Buy hold fast to your conservative ideology and decline to consider the facts.

    I see you are attempting to avoid substantive discussion involving information and knowledge gained from similar situations. That would be taxing for a rigid brain, such as yours.

    At your own admission, you are all about opinion, not facts. Some people prefer more meaningful discussions.

    BTW, you really should proof read your writing. Several sloppy mistakes in your last few posts. Sloppy thinking, sloppy writing. Sorry Teach, you get an F for today’s lesson.

  183. anoni-moron
    May 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Teacher says:
    May 17, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    “You mistake my humor for anger.”

    Oh, now I get it. Arkley’s emails are supposed to be funny. We’re just too stupid to get it.

    Thanks, Teach. You’re a god-send. (I threw the extra hyphen in there just for the honor of having you correct me.)

    Is there supposed to be a hyphen in asshole?

  184. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    correction: But you hold fast.

    You’ve got the answer, Teacher. Thinking is difficult. You just wallow in your shallow opinions and let others do the thinking.

  185. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Stay in School, I’ll leave the proofing to you despite the fact that a little piece of me dies every time you catch a mistake. For the record, I am of the opinion that if the city of Eureka votes to approve a big box and the developer wants to bring one in, then so be it. Conversely, had the city voted no on the big box on the Balloon Tract, I would have been fine with that.
    I never said I was all about opinions. I said politics is based on opinions and when discussing opinions, everyone’s should be respected. There is a difference but I’m sure you don’t care.
    Aside from that, you just wrote a bunch of putdowns and then said I don’t discuss anything of substance. That’s a little hypocritical but also accidentally funny. Don’t mind if, out of boredom and apathy, I don’t read your drivel. It’s not that I’m mad at you; it’s that I truly find what you are saying to be about as stimulating as watching paint try.

  186. May 18, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Teacher, back to 8:41. The plural is “points of view”. It is not “point of views”.
    Just to keep the conversation going.

    And Arkley is STILL a two sided turd.

  187. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Quotation marks outside the punctuation.

  188. Reinventing The Wheel
    May 18, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Aside from the profanity, Anonymous 8:28 AM is quite correct.

    Advocating for more big boxes is a ridiculous provocation by deluded ideologues. They are forced to condemn prolific economic research because they have none of their own!

    Using their logic, they should be tossed in a lake to see if they float.

  189. Teacher
    May 18, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Reinventing, how would you go about preventing big boxes from being in our community? Do you ever shop at Costco, Winco, or any other big boxes?

  190. Bible Thumper
    May 18, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Politics is sin. It’s like belonging to a union. You have to come out of these corrupt confederacies to be saved.

  191. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Put all the big boxes in Fortuna. They’d love them there …er…all except the small business folks they’d put out of business. But who cares … it’s a free country … we need the freedom to buy low-price junk and have low-wage jobs.

  192. Mayor Snorkum
    May 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Some big boxes must treat their employees better than others. I’ve noticed that a lot of Costco employees have been there virtually since the place opened. That sort of longevity suggests reasonable salaries and benefits. Anybody know for sure?

  193. May 18, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    does namecalling make a point? It becomes diversionary and getss away from what was being discussed—

  194. What Now
    May 18, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse says:
    May 18, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    “And Arkley is STILL a two sided turd.”

    Yep.
    He’s the flagship of floaters.

  195. May 18, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    There is a compromise.

    Put a Home Depot at Bayshore Mall. The mall will have an anchor store. It will be right near Piersons so there will be plenty of competition. Then Arkley can find something better to put on the Balloon Track. Big box stores will hurt the local economy but their days are numbered. Chinese goods will soon be expensive.

    How about it High Finance, Home Depot at Bayshore? If not why not?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  196. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Teacher, the reason you focus half your attention on typos is because this kind of trivia is easier than defending your opinions. I have yet to read a substantive remark from you.

    You chose the name Teacher to assume an aura of authority and knowledge. But your writing belies the image you would like to project. Your confused, contradictory writing is a window into your vacuous mind.

    Don’t get me wrong, T., I don’t give a rat’s ass about your opinions and pronouncements. I see you for what you are.

    My concern is with the lack of thinking skills that you exemplify and which is rampant in politics. My concern is the arrogant ignorance propagated by the “conservatives” of today.

    It would be difficult to find a better example than your statement: “politics is based on opinions”

    Teacher, if you want to be taken even half seriously, please expand upon and defend this thesis.

    Or not. Of course, it will be not. Hostility and withdrawal from the debate is very typical of the “right”, when they are proven wrong.

  197. Charlie Bean
    May 18, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    To make it news, Just keep publishing it as the 24/7 news stations do – LOL

  198. Stay in school
    May 18, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Sorry T., I just can’t help myself.

    Here is more food for thought, should you choose to engage in thinking.

    You say: when discussing opinions, everyone’s should be respected.

    That word, respected. It means esteemed, honored…

    Problem is, not all opinions are actually honorable. Some opinions are hard to respect [examples, white supremacy, creationism …] Are you saying we should respect the ideas of white supremacists? No, I doubt it.

    What you are attempting to communicate, is that the person holding the opinion should be respected. There is a difference, but maybe you are too bored and apathetic to care.

    T., I am using you as an example to teach others what to avoid. You pose as the one in the know which is a little hypocritical but also accidentally funny.

    Come on T, dig DEEP. There must be something in there worth writing. Try harder. You CAN do it!

  199. Kidscad
    May 18, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Jazes, you’re all full of wind and piss like a tanyard cat!

  200. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Home Depot at Bayshore makes some sense…at least it would use some space in that cement wasteland. However, does anyone really have confirmation that HD is still interested in Eureka? I am not an Arkley supporter but I do remember an early proposal (rejected?) to do something different there that would have been more palatable. I assume that their current financial situation makes some sort of big box (or big money) commitment vital to development, But, given the fact they are now burdened with an expensive clean-up, is it really very likely this project can go forward at all? Just wondering.

  201. May 18, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    The city council could draft a letter to Home Depot and (if it is legal to do so) say something like: “Hey Home Depot we have this wounded mall would you have any interest in putting a store there?” and see what they say. Wouldn’t it be refreshing if it were all done publicly? If Home Depot indicated no interest at all with Bayshore you might assume they have little interest in the Balloon Track either. The mall would be a much better location for them.

    have a peaceful day,

    Bill

  202. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    I’m putting the odds of that happening about 4 to 1, Bill.

  203. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    or should that be 1 to 4? I’m not a gambler.

  204. Plain Jane
    May 18, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Check out the latest cache of Arkley – Lovelace e-mails at Out Post!

  205. May 18, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Just say 4 to 1 against the prop ever happening and you are there. But it peels away those folks who just gotta have a Home Depot. The location shouldn’t matter to them as long as its in Eureka.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  206. What Now
    May 18, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    “Stay in school says:
    May 18, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    Teacher, the reason you focus half your attention on typos is because this kind of trivia is easier than defending your opinions. I have yet to read a substantive remark from you.

    You chose the name Teacher to assume an aura of authority and knowledge. But your writing belies the image you would like to project. Your confused, contradictory writing is a window into your vacuous mind.

    Don’t get me wrong, T., I don’t give a rat’s ass about your opinions and pronouncements. I see you for what you are.

    My concern is with the lack of thinking skills that you exemplify and which is rampant in politics. My concern is the arrogant ignorance propagated by the “conservatives” of today.

    It would be difficult to find a better example than your statement: “politics is based on opinions”

    Teacher, if you want to be taken even half seriously, please expand upon and defend this thesis.”

    I nominate the afoermentioned entry for “Best of Heraldo”.
    People like “Teacher” are grave examples of how the public education system has been designed to fail; emply people like “Teacher” and Bill O’ Reilly to teach once they’ve proven that they’re thoroughly incapable of critical reasoning or abstract thinking.

  207. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Stay in School and What Now, how about some specific examples? Seems like a lot of empty name calling to me. You never provide any specifics. You simply name call. Try to elevate your minds and the discussion.

    Peace to all

  208. Anonymous
    May 18, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Wow..those latest emails from Rob A to Mark Lovelace are truly odd! He seems to be sliding further down the slippery slope. Sad.

  209. High Finance
    May 19, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “Empty name calling” is all that Stay in School and What Now ever post. They are nothing more than trolls and never contribute anything of value.

  210. Anonymous
    May 19, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    u mad?

  211. Stay in school
    May 19, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    HiF and 6:42, please supply the names I called anyone.

    If you read my comments, you will see that I never called Teacher a name. I used modifiers to describe T’s behavior, but I did not assign a label (name) to the person who blogs under the name Teacher.

    There is a significant difference between criticizing a person’s behavior versus labeling the person as, for instance, an idiot, bleeding heart liberal, nazi, redneck… Any half-way decent teacher knows the difference.

    I critique T’s thinking style (and your’s HF) hoping to catalyze within you an intellectual awakening. Brain washing can be undone.

  212. Anonymous
    May 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    If I had a dollar every time that HF dimwit called someone a commie or stupid…I would be living among the enlightened in SF.

  213. High Finance
    May 20, 2011 at 8:12 am

    LOL !!

  214. Anonymous
    May 20, 2011 at 8:27 am

    He’s Mad.

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