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Redwood MoveOn to support Thompson, Medicare

[Press Release]

Members of the Redwood MoveOn Council of Humboldt County will greet Representative Mike Thompson and his supporters at his pasta dinner event on Saturday, May 21, from 4:30 – 5:15 pm at the Arcata Community Center.  The Council will demonstrate support for his political decisions on behalf of the American people and remind him of MoveOn’s position on the budget.   Medicare must not be cut.  The tax cuts for the rich must not continue.

While many families in our community continue to struggle to find work and make ends meet, Republicans are threatening to hold the entire economy hostage in order to cut Medicare and preserve the Bush tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

At first, Republicans were up front about their plans to privatize Medicare while doling out tax cuts for the rich. But after facing heated criticism at town halls over their vote on the Republican budget that would gut Medicare, they’re changing their tactics. Now, instead of attacking Medicare head-on, they’re calling for spending caps to disguise their plan to eliminate Medicare. Spending caps would actually trigger massive cuts to Medicare within a few years. These spending caps are nothing more than a Medicare kill switch.

Seniors in our community cannot afford to spend more on health care, nor should we allow Republicans to dismantle a program that provides vital health care services to most Americans over the age of 65. It’s downright irresponsible to leave seniors’ health care to the mercy of private insurance companies.

It is time to tell Representative Representative Mike Thompson, and all the Republicans in Congress, that enough is enough. Programs that protect our parents and grandparents, like Medicare, should not be on the chopping block to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy.

  1. May 20, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    And who’s funding this group? How much are they raking in and from what source? Who’s paying who?

  2. May 20, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Is this supposed to be a joke when people vote Republicans into office?

    “It is time to tell Representative Representative Mike Thompson, and all the Republicans in Congress, that enough is enough. Programs that protect our parents and grandparents, like Medicare, should not be on the chopping block to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy.”

  3. Anonymous
    May 20, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Who are the members of the Redwood MoveOn Council? Like any other group, for example developers’ groups that use fluffy happy names, I like to know who is behind an organization.

  4. Plain Jane
    May 20, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    From Redwood MoveOn Facebook:

    “The Redwood MoveOn Council is a recently formed council serving Humboldt County. Its goal is to provide the public a means for participation in the democratic process. The council does not represent any political party; MoveOn is independent.”

  5. May 20, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    “How much are they raking in…”

    Rose gets suspicious when people she disagrees with participate in politics.

  6. Anonymous
    May 20, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    So, on the council’s Facebook page, the council doesn’t disclose who sits on the council. That’s very unhelpful. I’d like to know if this is a group of the usual characters just raising money under a new name, or what.

  7. Anonymous
    May 20, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    The idea that Mike Thompson cares about the deficit or national debt is purely fictional. For that matter, he only cares to hear from the constituents who already agree with his point of view. There is no representation in the way he represents us. Why in hell should we tell him to protect our Medicare and Social Security? He is a Democrat! He should do that without us having to tell him to do it.

  8. Plain Jane
    May 20, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    MoveOn has been around for years. A local chapter has been formed. If you want to know who’s on the council, call them and ask or go to a meeting. If it isn’t your money they’re collecting, why do you care, 6:13?

  9. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 20, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Funny, a non-elected council.

    Anyhow, Mike Thompson is a worthless buffoon who lies, cheats and steals for the political machinations of schemers within government and those private sector fascist folks who love public subsidies. Further, he acts like a “tough guy” when trying to manhandle his audience’s critics…actually quite funny watching him because his illogic shows his manipulations.

    Thompson needs to pull the boogers out of his ears as the nasal build-up is catering his need for a political pressure relief valve. He’ll get his justified Karma.

    Thompson = LIAR!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  10. Anonymous
    May 21, 2011 at 5:51 am

    Geez Jane, a bit defensive because I want to know who is on the Council? An open organization would simply disclose this information, even be proud of it. I’m a Democrat and have never contributed to a conservative cause, so back off. I don’t need your misplaced rage. Transparent organizations openly share who their officers are. It’s that simple. If this council has nothing to hide, then they’re doing it wrong.

  11. Plain Jane
    May 21, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Geez 5:51. The rage you sense is probably projection. If you don’t care enough about who the council members are to call them or go a meeting, then you obviously aren’t interested in anything but raising suspicions against the “usual characters,” by which I assume you mean the people who do most of the liberal political work around here. Is there something that stops you from forming or joining a group to do some of the work that needs to be done or do you just prefer to take potshots at those who do?

  12. Ponder z
    May 21, 2011 at 6:57 am

    “Why in hell should we tell him to protect our Medicare and Social Security? He is a Democrat! He should do that.”

    He is a democrat, that’s why he wants you to think you NEED him in DC, to protect your measly pittance of your former income.
    (SS and medicare, for every dollar you put in you will get back $.18)unless you are a teachers union member.

  13. Ponder z
    May 21, 2011 at 7:05 am

    The usual characters are the few doing the work? Nobody else wants to help?

    NO. The majority doesn’t want liberals making thing worse. We need better schools not teachers unions.

  14. May 21, 2011 at 8:16 am

    OFF TOPIC BUT VERY IMPORTANT…
    MISSING CHILD ALERT…
    Claudia Pedreros aka Parker, 30,and her 2 1/2 year old daughter, Sophie, were reported missing around 8:15 am on May 20th, after leaving her residence at approximately 12:30 am driving a 2008, silver Kia sedan, California License number 6GKR186.

    At around 9:00am Trinity county sheriffs deputies found a naked female subject wandering on Highway 3 near Trinity lake. The officers determined she either had some sort of mental health issue, or was under the influence of drugs. Sheriffs Deputies found her Kia parked at the Trinity River Campground also near Highway 3 The child was not located in the vehicle or the surrounding area.

    Deputies located the contents of the car approximately 10 miles from the location Ms. Pederos was found.

    Humboldt County deputies are actively searching all road into and out of Trinity County off of Highway 299 for the silver Kia and the little girl.

    Check my blog for a picture of Sophie.

  15. Plain Jane
    May 21, 2011 at 8:42 am

    That is so heartbreaking, Mark. Has anyone heard anything new? The references I’ve read about the mother’s mental status don’t lessen the anxiety about the wellbeing of the baby.

  16. a non
    May 21, 2011 at 8:44 am

    6:48: “The idea that Mike Thompson cares about the deficit or national debt is purely fictional.”

    The unfortunate truth. Thompson defends the rich and gives mealy mouthed platitudes to the rest of us. When the shit hit the fan when the banks started melting down, want to know his solution?

    Here it is: regular folks will have to do without, we’ll have to give up good schools, clean air and water, public transportation, our retirement accounts.

    We have to give up these things so we can bail out the banks. Gee, it’s tough. He feels our pain. We’ll just have to get used to it.

    That is how Mike Thompson represents us.

  17. anonymous
    May 21, 2011 at 11:17 am

    He said he was against the Iraq war but always voted to fund it. With the majority of the American people in favor of single payer health care and statistics proving it will be less expensive with everyone covered, he held a town hall meeting here and one of his first statements was, “single payer is off the table”. BTW – he got a standing ovation when he entered the room. If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.

  18. High Finance
    May 21, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Anyone who thinks Mike Thompson cares what you think is delusional.

    He depends on unthinking, uninformed voters just like you to get re-elected.

  19. Plain Jane
    May 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Poor HiFi is projecting again. Which party is it that campaigned on saving Medicare but immediately voted to destroy it? How much support did they lose with the bait and switch?

  20. Anonymous
    May 21, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I’ll be giving my money to Colbert Super PAC.

  21. May 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Man, the “Anti-everything, Far Right Wacko, Paid Political Haters” are out in force on this one today.

    Thompson has been one of the more reasonable and moderate representatives we’ve had in a long time. He has also been very supportive of the sportsmen (and women) and our various pursuits (hunting, fishing, etc.)

    Rant and rave if you want to, but it’s a tough job and Thompson does it with fair style and grace. More than could EVER be said about wingnuts like Boehner and his crowd. “Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy, let’s repeal Medicare. No one will notice…nyuck nyuck nyuck.” Is that what you want in our congress?

  22. a non
    May 21, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Mouse, I am miles away from right wing. I think Thompson is mainly interested in the southern part of his district. Where our water flows, the grapes grow, and money pours into his campaigns.

  23. Plain Jane
    May 21, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    That’s where the majority of his constituents are, A non. We’ll have the same situation if they redistrict us into an east-west divide with Redding, only worse because they don’t care if any water ever gets to the coast.

  24. High Finance
    May 21, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Mouse & PJ show off their ignorance again.

    There is nothing “moderate” about Mike Thompson. The ratings by the conservative ACU and the liberal ADA both agree. Thompson is a liberal through and through.

    Then PJ parrots the demagogich (sp?) Democrat line, “the Republicans want to destroy Medicare”. Medicare is the ticking time bomb in the US finances. We MUST do something or it WILL be bankrupt very soon.

    Yet every time any thinking person like Paul Ryan tries to get people thinking and talking about any kind of reform, the Democrats call on their mind numb robots to attack.

  25. Andrew Bird
    May 21, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Mike Thompson is brilliant. The far right, High Finance, thinks he’s a liberal. The lefties, anonymous 11:17, think he’s conservative. That puts him pretty close to the center, which is why he nobody can come within 20 points of him election after election.

  26. Plain Jane
    May 22, 2011 at 5:08 am

    Wrong, HiFi. Escalating health care costs are the ticking time bomb. Shifting the costs from Medicare onto the elderly doesn’t do a thing to address it and will actually make it worse. Medicare, believe it or not, pays less for medical treatment than private payers or workman’s compensation and insurances apply a multiplier to Medicare rates in setting their own. Providers must accept Medicare rates if they accept any Medicare patients, and most do. There are limited ways to address Medicare’s problems, but one of them is to increase the Medicare tax rate and another is universal insurance – everyone gets Medicare. The very worst idea is to force the elderly to spend thousands of dollars a year in the private insurance market whose only interest is making more profit by denying care whenever possible, even through fraud. That Republicans in congress favor vouchers isn’t surprising since so much of their campaign contributions come from the insurance industry and they have been trying to destroy Social Security and Medicare since their inception. That people HiFi favor it isn’t surprising either because they believe anything their right wing authorities tell them to believe, even idiotic ideas that stand all logic on its ear.

  27. High Finance
    May 22, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Andy Bird, check out Thompson’s ratings by the liberal ADA and the conservative ACU. Calling Thompson “moderate” tells us more about your politics than it does his.

    PJ, before I die I would like to hear you even once, say something that doesn’t parrot the Democrat party line. I could die happy for then I would know the ability to think has not competely disappeared from your little world.

    Are you aware there was a gigantic increase in the medicare tax just a few years ago and another huge medicare tax scheduled in 2014 ? Since you were not aware of those tax increases I can only assume you also don’t know that the “rich”, that you hate so much, paid 100% of the tax increase.

    Yet still Medicare is predicted to go broke in just a few years !

  28. retired guy
    May 22, 2011 at 10:27 am

    HiFi either sells health insurance, is invested in health insurance or has his head somewhere where he needs to see a doc to get it out. HiFi, If you agree with Ryan, you’re the one who follows a strict right wing republican party line. Too bad your money has rotted your brain.

  29. May 22, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Vouchers are handy taxpayer subsidized discount coupons for the upper class of society and they are simply unusable by the lower class since the lower class can’t afford the co-pays. Vouchers are a win-win for the rich. Since the poor can’t use them, aggregate costs go down (theoretically lowering taxes), and of course costs for the rich go down too, since they can use their vouchers.

    Vouchers = SCAM.

    have a peaceful day,

    Bill

  30. Plain Jane
    May 22, 2011 at 11:38 am

    HiFi’s idea of the Democratic Party line is nothing but straw men he got the plans for from Rush and Beck. Like Will Rogers said, “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” The Republican party has slid so far into the right fringe that most of those who still count themselves as members are either crooks or idiots. But they do make real conservatives look moderate by comparison.

  31. Plain Jane
    May 22, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Good article about the GOP:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2295128/

  32. May 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    “Thompson is a liberal through and through.”
    Thanks be to Melvin.

  33. High Finance
    May 22, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    I don’t necessarily agree with all aspects of Paul Ryan’s plan, but unlike PJ and you partisans I would like to hear more about it. Even Paul Ryan said today that everything is negotiable.

    But the Democrats refuse to even talk about it.

    A pundit on Meet The Press this morning said something interesting. He said “Agree with him or not, at least Ryan is talking policy instead of politics. The least we should expect is for the other side to respond like grownups and bring alternatives to the table.”

    Then another said something to the effect “No serious attempt to reduce the deficit can be made until the entitlement spending is addressed”.

  34. tra
    May 22, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Well if the “pundits” on Meet the Press say something, it must be true.

  35. Plain Jane
    May 22, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    And if they don’t mention it on Fox, it didn’t happen:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-house-progressive-budget/2011/04/15/AFJCMrhE_blog.html

    The negatives mentioned are primarily that taxing investment income as regular income might decrease investment and the probability that the rich will use more loopholes and escape hatches to avoid paying. Another way of looking at taxing investment income like regular income is it might prevent the inflation of another economy crashing bubble. Tax reform to close those loopholes has been needed for a long time.

  36. tra
    May 22, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    The key is to find a way to discourage nonproductive speculation and overly-risky investment, while not discouraging healthy investment, including reasonable risk-taking.

  37. High Finance
    May 22, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    But who decides what is “nonproductive”, “healthy” and “overly-risky” vs “risky” ? After all, at the time, Henry Ford took an incredible risk by putting all he had into the assembly line idea.

    What PJ will never understand is that everybody benefits from those people who are willing to take risks & invest in shaky ideas that succeed.

  38. tra
    May 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Especially in todya’s era of “too big to fail” everybody suffers from those people who are willing to take unwise risks and invest (often with other people’s money) in shaky ideas that fail.

    So there’s a balance to be struck there, which was the point I was driving at in my 2:45 comment. I did not mean to suggest that it was going to be easy to arrive at that balance.

  39. May 22, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    HiFi has such a dreamy, romantic view of capitalism.

  40. Julie Timmons
    May 22, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Mike has been passionate in his concern about the deficit for years. We are damn lucky to have him as our Congressman. The above posts contain so many lies-mostly by the brave anons- that I won’t waste my time refuting them.

  41. High Finance
    May 23, 2011 at 9:37 am

    “Mike has been passionate in his concern about the deficit for years.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Julie dear, he voted for the porkulus bill and every other Obama inititive. Bills that have made our deficits in Obama’s first three years total more than Bush’s deficits his entire eight years. Deficits in Obama’s eight years are projected to be greater than the National Debt accumulated in our country’s entire history before Obama !!!!

  42. Plain Jane
    May 23, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Is HiFi not going to comment on the progressive budget proposal that he said didn’t exist?

  43. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Julie Timmons,

    You can waste your time on me, refuting – I use a real name and ain’t scared, just like you. We are both brave souls, don’t ya think?

    JL

  44. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 23, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    A first,

    PJ and HI FI are both misleading when it comes to medicare? Why? They don’t include the costs of inflation and QE’s over the past decades in their arguments. The dollar has devaluated. This works against any revenue created in yesteryears that previously funded Medi-Care or was to fund Medi-Care down the road (in the future) while being based against assumed “fixed-cost” (not inclusive of QE’s by the Fed Reserve”. To mention costs without discussing QE’s and the Fed Reserve is openly being blind, willfully so as to not get closer to the point of origin of the funding problem and of what is negatively going to occur to funded federal and state programs. The unfunded shell games are destroying this country’s financial ability because the dollar is devalued – meaning, money does not go as far. If the Feds quit pumping false notes into the economy, then sure as heck, this discussion would not be occuring. Lets call this another example of what happens in “rigged economies” that depend upon “over-population + its votes” to continue the various “pyramid schemes”.

    JL

  45. High Finance
    May 23, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I’m sorry PJ, 2.33pm, what are you talking about now ?

  46. Plain Jane
    May 23, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    HiFi posted: “A pundit on Meet The Press this morning said something interesting. He said “Agree with him or not, at least Ryan is talking policy instead of politics. The least we should expect is for the other side to respond like grownups and bring alternatives to the table.”

    Here is the alternative the GOP refuses to even admit exists, link to the proposal in the article:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/04/debt_proposals

  47. High Finance
    May 24, 2011 at 9:23 am

    The reason nobody talks about your buddie’s “courageous” LOL !! budget plan is that is an extreme and laughable far left-wing radical plan.

    There is nothing “courageous” about a plan that proposes a TRILLION dollars a year worth of tax increase and defense cuts. A plan that would devastate the economy and leave the free world vulnerable at the same time.

    PJ, you never stray from your left wing beliefs. You have never expressed any attempt at compromise or even giving an inch.

  48. Plain Jane
    May 24, 2011 at 9:44 am

    I should have known that HiFi was incapable of understanding anything that is really courageous like standing up to the richest people on the planet and telling them it’s time to pay back all those ill gotten gains from tax cuts and dividends from the bloated defense budget which wrecked the economy. No amount of information can penetrate his delusional mindset.

  49. Plain Jane
    May 24, 2011 at 10:00 am

    In 2010 the US $687,105,000,000, or 4.7% of GDP. The next highest spender was China who spent 114,300,000,000, or 2.2% of their GDP. Not one of our allies spends even 10% of what we spend to protect the “free world,” while their citizens enjoy cradle to grave health care, more vacation time and a better quality of life. Pretending that defense can’t be cut without putting the world in peril is just BS designed by those who profit from the war machine and who are desperate to gut the social programs which keep the extraneous people (those they don’t care about) alive.

  50. Plain Jane
  51. High Finance
    May 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Gee PJ, that is so unfair. We spend more on our military than our enemies do !

    Oh dear, we should make it fair ? Maybe we should give the ones who want to destroy us some of our weapons to make it more even ?

    Did you really mean to say that the Chinese people have a “better quality of life” than we do ? Our you out of your mind ?

    And you once again resort to the childish way of debate by overstating my position ! Did I “pretend that defense spending can’t be cut” or are you lying again ?

  52. High Finance
    May 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Yeah, I don’t blame you for running away & hiding in shame again.

  53. Plain Jane
    May 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Do you really consider China one of our allies, HiFi? Re-read my post again, carefully this time. Why should the US spend almost a trillion dollars a year to defend the world when our allies pay very little for defense but can afford better health care, education and social programs for their citizens? Who are the enemies today that we need such massive defense against?

    The reason it took so long to respond was because I didn’t see your post until I saw your post on this thread today. Only in your fantasies would anyone run away from a debate with you.

  54. Plain Jane
    May 26, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    To make it clear, we spend 5 times as much as China who is the next biggest spender after us. We spend over 10 times France, Britain, Germany and every other country in the world.

  55. High Finance
    May 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    I will grant you that you are the most relentless and predictable poster on this blog or any other blog I have ever seen.

  56. High Finance
    May 26, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    And, as usual, you are wrong PJ.

    According to Wikipedia, the US defense spending in 2010 was $687 billion, not a trillion. Global Issues.org says that is an increase of 83% in the decade of 2000-2010. However no increase in inflation adjusted dollars between 2008 to now.

    By comparison, China spent $114 billion. Their military spending increased 256% during the same decade. We spend six times more than China not ten. But China is determined to catch up.

    Can you even admit that it is a good thing to spend more on our military than China ?

  57. The Big Picture
    May 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    You’d think that 800 foreign military bases would make front page news from time to time.

    As opposed to NEVER.

    Protecting a nation’s grotesque level of consumption is a far cry from protecting it’s borders.

  58. Plain Jane
    May 26, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    You really need to work on your reading comprehension, HiFi. First of all, I said we spend 5 times what China spends, not 10. We spend at least 10 times what any of our ALLIES spend. Secondly, I said almost a trillion, not a trillion. Don’t you find it odd that we are borrowing money to fund our defense from the country we are supposedly defending ourselves from? There is no reason to spend so much money and the only reason we do is because of the political power of the military-industrial complex and a congress which fights for every dollar spent in their districts whether the Pentagon wants what they are building or not. You so completely misunderstand everything it’s no wonder you think you are a conservative.

  59. Plain Jane
    May 26, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    HiFi probably gets his views from Fox and rant radio because his reading comprehension is so abysmal.

  60. High Finance
    May 27, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Once again you avoid the question, but what else is new ?

    Can you admit that it is a good thing we spend more on our military than our enemies do ? That China has increased it’s spending by 256% in the last ten years while our military spending has been flat these last four years ?

    Do you realize that China’s military spending will be greater than ours in less than 20 years ?

  61. Plain Jane
    May 27, 2011 at 8:19 am

    The US accounts for 42.8% of the world’s defense spending with 4.5% of the world’s population (approx $2200 per person) while China accounts for 7.3% with 19.3% of the population (approx $8.50 per person). How much of our GDP are you willing to spend in order to remain at the top of the defense spending pile? How much should our allies contribute? An arms race with China is insanity, which you would realize if you had half a brain.

  62. Mitch
    May 27, 2011 at 8:24 am

    HiFi,

    The United States is already owned by China, haven’t you noticed? China is now the manufacturing arm of the world’s corporations, and we are (literally) enormously in debt to the People’s Army. In fact, the one saving grace for the moment is that we are so much in debt to the Chinese that the Chinese can’t demolish our economy without doing serious damage to their own.

    Blame for the sellout of America can be shared between both parties and human nature.

    The world’s corporations do need consumers, but there is no physical law that says those consumers have to be disproportionately Americans. Those of us who don’t yet know that will be finding out very rapidly.

    To talk about our spending more on our military than our enemies do is like being glad the Pacific is still larger than Humboldt Bay. It’s true, but you could cut the Pacific in half and it would still be true. Then you could repeat the halving, again and again, and it would still be true.

    But really, the size of the military doesn’t matter all that much if we can no longer produce the things our population needs to continue normal life.

    You can’t eat tanks.

  63. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    May 27, 2011 at 8:34 am

    and PJ listens to the other media fraud mouth-off “The Ed Show”. He was sanctioned, wasn’t he?

    Tits for tats, tats for tits.

    JL

  64. Plain Jane
    May 27, 2011 at 8:36 am

    GFY leg humper Henchie.

  65. High Finance
    May 27, 2011 at 8:37 am

    PJ, I am willing to spend as much of our GDP that is necessary to keep us free and alive. You would too if only you could think independently.

    Mitch, This generation of Americans are selfish & shortsighted. Selling out the country’s future by running huge deficits. Deficits that China filled by loaning money to us.

    But remember 20 or 30 years ago the same dire warnings were being made about Japan ? There are warning signs that China’s economics are not as rosy as the media plays up.

    And what happens 20 years from now when China is suffering economically and has a military far larger and just as equipped as ours especially if our greed for more benefits has cut our defense again ?

  66. Plain Jane
    May 27, 2011 at 8:40 am

    HiFi is all emotion and no logic.

  67. Teacher
    May 27, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I completely disagree HiFi. With mutually assured destruction, what’s China going to do? Nuke us and have us nuke them back and hope that their superior numbers allow a few more of theirs to survive than ours? I don’t feel threatened at all by other first world countries whose economies are interwoven with ours.

  68. Mitch
    May 27, 2011 at 9:21 am

    “And what happens 20 years from now when China is suffering economically and has a military far larger and just as equipped as ours especially if our greed for more benefits has cut our defense again ?”

    It’s a good question.

    I assume by “greed for benefits” you’re referring to the unlimited subsidies going to banksters to cover the losses they took on their risks, to multinationals holding projects hostage to tax credits, and to outfits like ADM, getting subsidies for creating pointless things like gasahol. You couldn’t possibly be referring to people who simply want their wages or their Social Security payments to keep up with inflation while the wealthiest have seen their share of the pie grow enormously.

    In that case, you’re right. The nation’s hollowing out will mean we’ll be vulnerable.

    We need to cut our military by no more than two thirds. That will still leave us with more than enough to defend the United States, and it will allow us to invest in infrastructure and human services that will mean there will be a society worth defending. A smaller military would also mean a natural change in our society’s political leaders’ goals, from being the hit men carrying out the anti-democratic aims of the world’s multinationals to being the defenders of a democratic nation fortunate to have friendly neighbors.

    The corporations that want our military to remain large enough to suppress people worldwide who want first-world wages will need to start spending their own profits to build one, or will need to lobby the Chinese to provide the military to take care of that.

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