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Garr Nielsen

The Eureka City Council will evaluate Police Chief Garr Nielsen during a closed session before its public meeting Tuesday. See the agenda here.  Supporters of the Chief are asking residents to speak on his behalf during public comment.

“Since Chief Nielsen arrived in Eureka, people on the Westside can leave the safety of there homes and rejoin their community,” Councilmember Linda Atkins wrote in a widely circulated email this week. “We have a Problem Oriented Policing Unit that is taking on the drug dealers and major criminals in town. When we call the police, they come. These are basic things that every community should enjoy, but prior to Chief Nielsen, we didn’t.”

Nielsen’s contract with the City of Eureka is set to expire in 2013, and the City of Bend, Oregon is actively courting Nielsen to take over as Chief of Police.

You can’t blame them.  Nielsen quickly turned around a police department in Eureka that was feared and loathed by residents following a string of police shootings that left a grieving grandmother and a 16-year old dead.

One would also be hard pressed to blame Nielsen if he wanted to put Eureka in the rear view mirror. The improvements he brought were strongly opposed by the old guard, who mounted an “insurrection” that looked like something conceived in a middle school locker room. The City’s failure to stop it led to a $200,000 settlement, half of which came out of city coffers.

Bend is also known for its progressive philosophy, whereas the Eureka City Council is pretty sure the last 60 years never happened.

Public comment starts shortly after 6pm.

  1. June 19, 2011 at 7:08 am

    “Since Chief Nielsen arrived in Eureka, people on the Westside can leave the safety of there homes and rejoin their community,” Councilmember Linda Atkins wrote…”.

    How would she know? Doesn’t she live in Northeast Eureka?

  2. Plain Jane
    June 19, 2011 at 7:24 am

    Unfortunately, he’ll probably take the Bend job. Couldn’t blame him.

    How do you know about anything that happens in any neighborhood besides your own, Fred?

  3. Arcatawikileaks
    June 19, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya….have a great time ruining Bend…

    POP is basically the Medical Marijuana Gestapo and needs to be disbanded.

  4. June 19, 2011 at 7:43 am

    How do you know about anything that happens in any neighborhood besides your own, Fred?.

    I suppose the same way Linda Atkins does, but maybe not. Maybe she’s listening to the same folks on the west side that, not long ago, were saying they were afraid to go outside their homes because of the constant gunfire?

  5. Plain Jane
    June 19, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Maybe she was paying attention at council meetings when people spoke about the positive changes they’ve seen in their West Side neighborhood since Chief Nielsen came. Do you live on the West Side, Fred?

  6. June 19, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Almost, depending on where the line is drawn. I live on E street and am not sure where you’d draw the line. Maybe California Street? Hard to say. The crappy streets start further east than California.

  7. Negoitations 101
    June 19, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I am neutral on the police chief’s performance in the City. I do think that it’s very unusual to start negotiating a contract two years before it expires. 6 months is the norm. I wanted to find out what salary was being offered in Bend and found it here: http://www.ci.bend.or.us/depts/human_resources/job_openings.html The chief salary in Bend tops out at $119,300. According to the Eureka salary schedule listed here: http://www.ci.eureka.ca.gov/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=2730 It states that he is currently making $133,260. If he goes back into the Oregon retirement system he would not be able to draw from that retirement. Given these factors, I don’t think that the City should “jump” into a contract that has not been well thought out. Basic negotiations 101.

  8. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Maybe there is more here than meets the eye? Something or things that the general public is unaware of?

  9. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya…

    Great, a religious nut.

    How would she know? Doesn’t she live in Northeast Eureka?

    This explains his limited worldview. Apparently, if an issue doesn’t directly affect him, there’s no need for him to learn about it. Thankfully, there are people in the world who have empathy for other human beings.

  10. June 19, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Changes needed to be made in Eureka’s Police department. Change is hard and there is often resistance. Chief Nielsen has done an excellent job bringing Eureka policing into the 21st Century. The POP program has been a resounding success. Hardly a week goes by without another major drug bust reported in the TS (which cna’r be all of them, since it’s the TS)
    The attitude of the officers on the street has improved immensely. Instead of being the “wardens” of the populace, the police now attempt to serve and protect, as was their original mission. For Eureka, an aware, modern chief is a change in itself. Bend is probably more open to such things and will have little problem recruiting someone. Eureka needs Chief Nielsen. Let’s not return to the “Bad Old Days”. Keep the Chief!!

  11. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Good skiing near Bend.

  12. McKinleyville Kris
    June 19, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Leave it to the locals to ruin everything.

  13. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Not being a resident within the city proper, I still applaud the accomplishments of Chiel Nielsen and his department.

  14. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 10:45 am

    While not being a resident of the city of Eureka proper, I still applaud Chief Nielsen and his fine department for their efforts to turn around the conditions within the city.

  15. pluto
    June 19, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Living in Eureka for several years now I can attest to the positive change we residents have seen. Before Nielsen arrived we listened to loud music from cars speeding through our streets day in and day out. We had drug dealers plying their trade 24 hours a day. There were criminals scoping out our properties. Our car windows were repeatedly smashed out. Our cars were broken into. When a crime occurred we were not taken seriously and told to fill out a form about the crime because they didn’t think it was of any importance. We had full tilt drug houses with armed criminals ruining our lives. There were prostitutes parading around our houses. We can now get a good nights sleep and enjoy our town. I have recently had house guests that remember the days before Nielsen. They are impressed by the change. They now see why we live in Eureka. In the old days everyone was afraid for their safety.

  16. 69er
    June 19, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Not Anonymous, tis me 69er

    While not being a resident of the city of Eureka proper, I still applaud Chief Nielsen and his fine department for their efforts to turn around the conditions within the city.

  17. June 19, 2011 at 10:50 am

    9:36 wrote, “This explains his limited worldview. Apparently, if an issue doesn’t directly affect him, there’s no need for him to learn about it. .

    This illustrates 9:36s limited reading comprehension. Where did I write there weren’t issues? I simply wrote Linda Atkins is acting like she lives on the west side and knows what’s going on there. She doesn’t. She’s likely just getting her info from the same people that claim there was gunfire going off all hours of the night that keeps them in their houses.

    I’m neutral on Chief Nielsen. I’m just not going to buy the hyped claims that some are trying to make regarding his record as police chief.

  18. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Fred Mangles is the one that was happy that the historic house on E street across the from him burned. The fire was deliberately set. You are a dirt bag Fred. No wonder you don’t like police.

  19. Joel Mielke
    June 19, 2011 at 11:18 am

    For your information, Fred, not that information could possibly make a difference to you, Ms. Atkins knows a lot about the west side.

  20. June 19, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Just like you do, too. Huh, Joel?

  21. Joel Mielke
    June 19, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Just like I do? Like I do what?

  22. June 19, 2011 at 11:28 am

    10:54 writes, “The fire was deliberately set. You are a dirt bag Fred.

    The fire was believed to be set by someone. Whether accidental or on purpose there’s no way of knowing.

    No wonder you don’t like police..

    More poor reading comprehension from The Left. How can one extrapolate from a discussion about a city council gal’s comments on a neighborhood, that I don’t like police?

  23. June 19, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Like I do what?.

    Know a lot about the west side. Oh, that’s right. It’s not that you know about the west side, you’re just defending Atkins’ observations because she’s the remaining left leaning person on the city council.

  24. Joel Mielke
    June 19, 2011 at 11:34 am

    I don’t know a lot about the west side, and I don’t pretend to know what others know or don’t know, as you do, Fred.

  25. Goldie
    June 19, 2011 at 11:41 am

    I don’t think you have to live on the West Side to remember the front page reporting and community shock over the five citizen deaths that occured seemingly one after the other in the time before Cheif Neilsen came. Under Nielsen’s direction POP has become responsive to citizen reporting of unlawful problems in our neighborhoods. My neighborhood is much safer now. The police are clearly in service to the community.
    The Times-Standard reported, “Within a year of his hire, Nielsen disbanded the department’s SWAT team, did away with mail-in crime reports, slashed department overtime expenses nearly in half, outfitted his officers with Tasers, began outfitting patrol cars with dashboard cameras and asked the California Department of Justice to step in and investigate all officer-involved fatalities. He also pulled back on firearms and defensive tactics trainings and put an emphasis on making sure officers and dispatchers went through crisis intervention trainings to help officers deal with the mentally ill and better defuse contentious situations without force.”
    Maybe Neilsen is not liked in City Hall but he is deeply appreciated by the citizens of Eureka. So who will be served?

  26. Goldie
    June 19, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Don’t even begin the old ‘Left” or ‘Right’ conversation. This is about a police cheif who has trained his officers so they can be safer and return home to their families in one piece after work. This is about closing down drug houses before there are streets blocked off and stand-offs that result in deaths. This is about the phone calls of citizens being returned and their concerns being listened to and in time lawfully acted upon if necessary. This is about the constant weeding out of meth sellers and all the trouble they bring, an endless job.
    What practical reason could anyone have for not wanting Cheif Neilsen to stay and continue the good work he is doing in keeping our city as safe as possible?

  27. Neal Latt
    June 19, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Well said, Goldie.

    Thanks for bringing the conversation back to facts and specifics.

  28. TreeTop
    June 19, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    He’s done a good job. But, he seems unhappy here. His family doesn’t live here with him. They live in Oregon. His house is for sale. I don’t need a crystal ball for this one…..

  29. Neal Latt
    June 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    What’s your evidence for that, TreeTop? His wife had returned to Portland for a short time after he was hired but I’ve heard that she’s been back for awhile now and living in Eureka. Chief Nielsen’s daughter goes to HSU and is a standout on the women’s volleyball team there. Sure you’ve got your facts straight, or are you just repeating old information that you’ve heard?

  30. TreeTop
    June 19, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Must be old info Latt? What’s his house going for?

  31. Neal Latt
    June 19, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    That’s your claim, not mine. I’ll leave it to you to chase down the facts that verify your claim.

  32. TreeTop
    June 19, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Your probably right on that one too, Neal. Its nice his wife stayed with him after the whole Tawnie thing.

  33. The Truth
    June 19, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Don’t believe everything you read in the Times-Standard or on this blog. Mrs. Nielsen is not living in Eureka and Mr. Nielsen does not go home for Holidays and yet you say they are still married? Interesting. Nielsen’s daughter attended HSU for one year. She now attends college in Oregon. Maybe it had something to do with Mrs. Nielsen storming out of the volleyball game all mad, packing up her stuff and leaving after living with Mr. Nielsen for two weeks and seeing his text messages. Geez, Garr didn’t get the Tasers for the Police Officers. Check out the KIEM archives and you will see Chief Douglas taking a taze to demonstrate the tasers he was outfitting the officers with. Oh and Garr didn’t get the DOJ to investigate officer involved shootings. That would be Murl Harpham. Check out Times-Standard article dated December 11, 2006 and he details how he is doing that on the Johnni Honda shooting. Oh yeah, one more— the mail in reports, those were ended January 3, 2007, three months before the City hired Garr. And finally, what about the Owsley case. Word is Mr. Nielsen and the truth are not friends and he may have lied during the deppsition. Wouldn’t that Brady law about police officers lying extend to this? That would be a problem for a Police Chief. The City Council should consider this before extending a contract for this guy.

  34. spud
    June 19, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    It was only four or five years ago. The EPD was so corrupt and mismanaged by Douglas and Harpham et al that the city council hired a private security company at a cost of hundreds of thousands of $ to patrol Old town. Don’t you remember?

    Back then the force was rolling on 15 year old cars too. Doncha wonder where all the money was going?

    If all Garr Nielsen has done is to restore just barely normal competency and ethics then Eureka is far ahead.

  35. Karma Girl
    June 19, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Chief Nielsen has pulled the wool over most of you . He lacks integrity and his moral compass has been broke for some time now. Lets see how he does in the depositions for his latest lawsuit.

    HE does not give a shit about Eureka or any of you. He uses you and tells you what you want to hear all the while making plans to screw over anyone that steps in his way.

    Garr’s outrageous lying will get him in the end…literally.

    He is a poor leader.

  36. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    you go girl

  37. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    As someone who has no connections within EPD and no personal contact, I find all the extremely opposing comments confusing. Something is clearly polarizing but how does the community learn the truth?

  38. June 19, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    He lacks integrity and his moral compass has been broke for some time now..

    EEENOUGH! You have no reason for making such a statement . Perhaps I’ll make a Chief Nielsen post on my blog tomorrow morning, as one of the Nielsen haters has suggested, but it probably won’t be what that guy or gal was hoping for.

  39. June 19, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    6:01 wrote, “Something is clearly polarizing but how does the community learn the truth?..

    I believe this all has to do with the Right vs. Left polarization, of which I’ve already participated to some extent. There are some on the Left that link Nielsen to their hero Larry Glass, thus the glowing comments about him.

    They see this as Atkins/ Nielsen vs. the rest of the city council- the rest of the city council not being “progressive” enough.

    Others, from non- progressive side, see a conflict because Atkins and The Left are supporting Nielsen, thus feel they need to condemn Nielsen. I’m in there to some extent, I’ll admit, except it seems to me Nielsen has done a fine job, as little as I’ve followed EPD issues.

    I was almost glad to see the lefties give their glowing reports of Nielsen, if only because in confirms my suspicions. Comments condemning Nielsen make the lefties look almost sane.

    Actually, with this last comment, maybe I don’t need to post on this tomorrow?

  40. June 19, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Re Linda Atkins.

    Under the current city charter Linda Atkins represents every citizen of Eureka no matter which ward they reside in. She does not represent only the northeast ward, but Westsiders and everyone else too.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  41. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Haters in EPD wrote the Above the Law blog. Really hateful stuff. Now beating their keyboards again cause they want to run EPD again. Watch out Eureka!

  42. Decline To State
    June 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    I’m a Eureka resident and a huge fan of Police Chief Nielsen and I hope he stays on…although I don’t know why he would. His time at the helm has made me personally feel safer and better about my town. If he leaves I will miss him and I’ve never said that about any law enforcement officer before.

  43. Anonymous
    June 19, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    the chief will leave because Bend is a much better place to live, they have a thriving old town, they have chain stores and breweries that can expand without obstruction, they have houses people can afford, endless options for outside recreation. in short its a town not full of obstructionists like Eureka is. Nothing new happens here and if you try, you have to get attacked and beat down by a vocal minority that are only against something because they are trying to protect there illegal untaxed indoor grow. I hope the chief leaves i’m right behind him. I’ll see you at Trader Joe’s or maybe we’ll share a beer at Deschuttes Brewery. See ya Eureka!!!

  44. Just a number
    June 19, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    He lacks integrity?!?!? Sounds pretty personal…..

    Did the above mentioned depositions ever disclose that a group of dispatchers conspired to and went through with a plan in which all of the dispatchers called in sick? It was an attempt to force Nielsen to ask for DeeDee to return to work and be a dispatcher. Sadly, it actually happened in 2008. It backfired. One of the dispatchers was on vacation and wasn’t told of the plan. After knocking on the doors of several dispatchers who had called in sick (they weren’t answering their phones either), the chief found a dispatcher who had just gotten home from vacation and was willing to work. She hadn’t been told of the plan, thank goodness for the citizens of eureka.

    Not only was this “strike” against common law but against any idea of decency or ethics in law enforcement. People come first…period.

    Those still working at EPD who vehemently oppose the Chief don’t care if they put the citizens of Eureka at risk. It’s sad that they only care about their petty grievances.

    The malcontents still write on these sites, espousing integrity while spreading unsubstantiated rumors. Sad.

    The question is not whether the “senior” employees at EPD are happier that Nielsen is chief. The real question is….Are the citizens of Eureka happier with the service they have received from EPD since Nielsen arrived?

    Whatever the answer to that question, I would hope that the citizens of Eureka will let their elected officials know how they feel.

  45. The Truth
    June 19, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    He lacks integrity and his moral compass has been broke for some time now..

    EEENOUGH! You have no reason for making such a statement

    Actually Karma Girl does have a reason for making such a statement. I’m sure she is one of the many that knows exactly what kind of person Garr Nielsen is. Until you have had to work with this corrupt bastard you really don’t know what its like.

  46. June 19, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    “I would hope that the citizens of Eureka will let their elected officials know how they feel.”

    Well conveniently,you can no longer call and tell them.I wonder if Frank’s decision had to do with this issue being on the horizon.

  47. Not A Native
    June 19, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    I know nothing of Chief Nielsen’s personal life, but I do know that Eureka has become a more pleasant place for me to visit, shop and socialize since Nielsen arrived on the scene. I can’t say whether that’s merely coincidence, but my guess is it isn’t. The ambience in Eureka feels less tense and edgy. And thats despite worsened economic conditions. Absent validated evidence of wrongdoing, Nielsen’s got my support.

    BTW, here’s part of an article Nielsen wrote before coming to Eureka, about the advantages of a bachelor’s degree requirement for deputies :

    In the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, college-educated deputies generally exhibit the following qualities:

    Greater knowledge of procedures, functions, and principles relevant to their present and future police assignments

    Better appreciation of their professional role and its importance to the criminal justice system and in a democratic society

    A more desirable psychological makeup: alertness, empathy, flexibility, initiative, and intelligence

    Greater range of interpersonal skills centered on their ability to communicate, to be responsive to others, and to exercise benevolent leadership

    Greater ability to analyze situations, to exercise independent judgment, and to make judicious decisions

    Personal values consistent with the agency’s values
    The department has accumulated anecdotal evidence to suggest that college-educated law enforcement deputies are less authoritarian, more liberal, and more flexible. They are less inclined to develop the rigid attitudes fostered by police experiences. They are generally more willing to experiment with creative problem solving, assume leadership roles, and accept challenges. They are also more sensitive and better able to deal with differences.

    The agency has also noted a correlation between higher education and the following outcomes:

    Fewer injuries
    Fewer injuries by assault
    Fewer disciplinary problems
    Fewer preventable accidents
    Fewer sick days
    Fewer allegations of excessive physical force

  48. Goldie
    June 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    People who support Neilsen have programs to name, experiences and results to claim that are backed up by reporting by stories in the Times-Standard or arrest reports given at the beginning of every city council meeting. When the people speak against him they are vague or say things like his wife is in another state and his lawn is not mowed. WTF?

  49. Sinclair Lewis
    June 19, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Well, it may be premature to be thinking of a replacement, but I believe Dave Gunderson is available.

  50. Down the Road
    June 20, 2011 at 6:05 am

    Had I written this release for Garr Nielsen it would have read:

    The Eureka Chief of Police employment contract expires in 2013. A
    concentrated effort is underway to encourage the Eureka City Council to
    extend the contract through 2015. In the short period of time that Garr
    Nielsen has been in command of this department a change for the better
    has been seen in all parts of this city.. His dedication to service has resulted
    in the POP team, which has been responsible for the outstanding drug busts.
    He recently hired an officer to work with those that are in need of direction for
    help. The quality of life in many of the high crime neighborhoods has
    greatly improved under his watch. Many of us would like to keep him here
    as he is a great asset to this community now and would be after he retires.
    With your help this may become possible. Please come to the Eureka City
    Council Meeting June 21st at 6:00 PM and speak during the public 3 minute
    discussion period for items not on the agenda..

  51. Down the Road
    June 20, 2011 at 6:14 am

    I have been with neighborhood watch off and on for over nine years.
    Everything the West Side has said about shootings and drug dealings
    are true. I have sat with Linda Atkins and talked about the crime not
    just on the West Side, but about the whole city. I have the crime reports
    to back up anything I say. Before Garr Nielsen any help we got in the
    neighborhoods was just hot air. Maybe, some of the residents of this
    city don’t know what a well run city is like. We outsiders do.

  52. June 20, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Everything the West Side has said about shootings and drug dealings
    are true.
    .

    Drug dealing, maybe. Shootings, not.

    As far as the drug dealing, sure. The West Side is the armpit of Eureka. Every town has an area where the low life’s hang and do their drug stuff. That’s the West Side. It’s been that way for decades.

    Shootings? Show me the bodies. Show me the newspaper reports of all these shootings. I don’t recall more than a handful over the years. Sure, if a shooting is going to happen, it will likely be on the West Side. That’s the nature of the neighborhood and the people that live there.

  53. June 20, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Whoever writes as “the Truth” above sounds exactly like the old-guard disgruntled dispatchers and some officers who were probably chastized for unprofessional or inadequate performance. They’re still around and would love for us to return to the “good old days” when they could do pretty much whatever they wanted. More overtime? Sure, why not? Shoot first and negotiate later? Why not? It’s quicker that way!
    I’ve been here well over 40 years and can tell you things have gotten so much better with Garr’s modern police techniques, approach, and training. If we let him go to Bend, we all lose big time!

  54. Down the Road
    June 20, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Fred Mangels your nothing more than the two legged trash inhabiting this
    city. The West Side has many respectable hard working families living
    in it. If there is an armpit in this city, it is city council. I will assume the
    rectum is your space. Go back about 4 l/2 years to the drug house on
    B St. Look at the papers you ignorant ass. Also look at the house
    across the street on B St. right before 7th. That is only the beginning.
    Thanks to Garr Nielsen a lot of this has been cleaned up. Do you believe
    every gun shot, every rape, every robbery, etc. ends up in the newspaper?

  55. Goldie
    June 20, 2011 at 9:45 am

    CHERI MOORE
    Questions swirl around standoff shooting
    The Times-Standard Rhonda Rael
    Posted: 04/18/2006 04:30:00 AM PDT
    EUREKA — Coroner Frank Jager may call a public inquest to help answer the many questions about why a SWAT team shot and killed a mentally ill Eureka woman after a brief standoff Friday.
    DA’s decision leaves questions in its wake
    Thadeus Greenson/The Times-Standard
    Posted: 08/03/2007 04:27:41 AM PDT
    ZACH COOKE
    The morning of Jan. 4, 2007, left 18-year-old Zachary Cooke dead, with 11 gunshot wounds scattered across his body.
    The review, as reported extensively in Thursday’s Times-Standard, paints the picture of a few chaotic minutes when confusion and fear reigned. Officers — fearing for their lives, according to the review — unleashed a flurry of bullets in response to “a flash that they associated with a shotgun blast.”
    CHRISTOPHER BURGESS
    Teen dies from gunshot wounds
    The Times-Standard
    Posted: 10/23/2006 05:18:23 PM PDT
    EUREKA – Coroner Frank Jager confirmed Christopher Arrion Burgess, 16, died today after suffering multiple gun shot wounds, but the Eureka Police Department refused to confirm or deny one of their officers was involved as of 5 p.m.

    Perhaps someone else can find the of lthe incidents as I am out of time.

  56. June 20, 2011 at 9:54 am

    If there is an armpit in this city, it is city council..

    And that’s what this seems to about: It’s the Glass/Atkins supporters trying to pick a fight with the rest of the city council, or so it seems. Not sure just how Nielsen became part of the Glass/Atkins side, though. I’m guessing it must be because he’s not considered part of the “Old Guard”. As a result, the Glass/ Atkins bunch are doing everything they can to embellish Nielsen’s record.

    Go back about 4 l/2 years to the drug house on B St..

    I believe that house was busted some time before Nielsen, wasn’t it? Even if it wasn’t, drug houses come and go all the time.

  57. Anonymous
    June 20, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Fred, to quote you,, ” I’m in there to some extent, I’ll admit, except it seems to me Nielsen has done a fine job, as little as I’ve followed EPD issues.”

  58. June 20, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Fred, to quote you,, ” I’m in there to some extent, I’ll admit, except it seems to me Nielsen has done a fine job, as little as I’ve followed EPD issues.”.

    And your point is?

  59. It's complicated...
    June 20, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Reality, as is so often the case, lies somewhere in-between.

    No doubt Chief Nielsen could have made some better choices along the way, and he MIGHT have been able to make the necessary changes in the EPD without alienating so many staff. But maybe not. Managing a highly dysfunctional police department is much easier said than done.

    And in the end, the proof is in the pudding. He made the department much more effective at meeting the needs of the community. He deserves tremendous thanks for that. Safety is core to a livable community.

    We should give him our thanks and wish him well, whether he stays or goes elsewhere.

  60. tra
    June 20, 2011 at 11:02 am

    So Fred is saying is that Nielsen has done a fine job, it’s just that he thinks that those folks who belive Nielsen has done an excellent job are exaggerating.

    On the bottom line of whether Eureka ought to try to keep Nielsen on the job, it seems to me that there isn’t all that much disagreement there.

  61. Down the Road
    June 20, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    No this isn’t about Glass and Atkins supporters against the rest of the
    council. It is about quality of life issues. I can recall calling Larry a male
    chauvinist to his face. Although I believe he tried very hard to upgrade
    this city to the 21st century. Linda is so much smarter than her
    council peers it hurts to watch them try to converse with her. The reason
    this city has so many social, economic and criminal problems is because
    of poor management. Lack of enforcement on the civil side. Look at
    David Tyson. He is not a leader. He is a detriment. The majority of the
    last council and the majority of this council fall for his creative bookkeeping
    along with his questionable ethics. Garr Nielsen has made a huge
    difference in this city regarding the crime and efficiency of the police dept.

  62. observer
    June 20, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I agree with the last posting by down the road. I think that Garr has turn around the police department in a good way since he has come. Look, no more questionable shootings by the police department. We citizens can call if there is a crime being committed, and at least get a response for the positive. Before I and many didn’t trust most of them! To have member’s of your own force, keep survellience, create lies, and commit crimes show long term problems that existed. Tyson cost the Eureka Taxpayer’s a lot more than $250,000 for his blundering, and he still continues to cost us taxpayers more….Just wait and see!

  63. Anonymous
    June 20, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Was the shooting of the guy on B street that held the 8 year old boy hostage with a knife to his throat then cut one of the police officers questionable?

    And the Super 8 motel incident, how about that one? Jonnie Honda? The guy was a wanted child molester that had evaded the chp in Trinity County and was hiding out in a motel with meth and a 357 magnum! Was that one questionable?

    Oh and the one on Albee street where the 18 year old fired a shotgun off as two cops approached him in a “vacant” house. Is that one questionable too?

    Is it not true that all of those five shootings were investigated, by agencies other than epd, and determined to be justifiable? DA Paul Gallegos ruled all of them justifiable.

    There was at least one officer involved shooting (death) since Nielsen took over, what about that one? During the past 4 years there have been at least two shooting deaths by the sheriffs department. Were those two the Sheriffs fault?

  64. Plain Jane
    June 20, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Are you referring to the case of the guy shot by cops as he was wrestling with and trying to shoot the owner of the carport where he was trespassing, 5:17?

  65. Anonymous
    June 20, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    that would be correct Jane

  66. 69er
    June 21, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Teen dies from gunshot wounds
    The Times-Standard
    Posted: 10/23/2006 05:18:23 PM PDT

    That same teen put a bullet through the front wall and through several interior walls of a house in his neighborhood prior to his death. He had quite a record before he was finally put down. Innocent, NO. don’t blame the law for his demise, the blame is squarely on the shoulders of the person who failed to give parental guidance, everyone should know who that is.

  67. anon
    June 21, 2011 at 7:06 am

    Hey what about Martin Cotton. He was beat to death by one of Garr’s favorite officers.

  68. Plain Jane
    June 21, 2011 at 7:28 am

    The T-S has a nice guest opinion about what a great job Nielsen is doing.
    http://www.times-standard.com/guest_opinion/ci_18320864

  69. High Finance
    June 21, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Nielsen is taking credit for the decrease in police shootings while the real credit goes to the bad guys.

    There haven’t been any attacks on the Eureka police with shotguns, knives or flare guns during that same time that required officers to use deadly force.

  70. Plain Jane
    June 21, 2011 at 9:02 am

    HiFi would rather give criminals credit than Chief Nielsen and EPD. Sad.

  71. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 9:29 am

    For once HiFi is right,

  72. Down the Road
    June 21, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Garr Nielsen is not taking the credit for the decrease in police shootings.
    He has not uttered a word about it. Many of us would like to see Garr
    Nielsen continue with the job he is doing. The POP team recently arrested
    the members of a drug house in our neighborhood. This particular house
    had been in operation for years. Thanks to Garr Nielsen and the POP
    team we don’t have one drug house within a 4 block radius. Our location
    is in the middle of the West Side. No matter how sarcastic, how much
    you belong to the good old boys or what your complaint against him is,
    you can’t discount the positive strides he has made.

  73. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I’m confused. Could someone explain, or name, “the good old boys”?

  74. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    The only ones who know who the good old boys are are the good old boys themselves, and they aren’t talking. I think. I’m confused, too, Anonymous 10:20.

  75. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    That’s kind of what I thought anonymous 2:37pm.

    But if only the “good ole boys” know who they are how could Phil and Lunel possibly know who they are?

    Maybe Heraldo can tell us who the “good ole boys” are?

  76. Not A Native
    June 21, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    FYI, Hank Sims did a pretty good job listing the ‘good old boys’ in one of his last columns in the NCJ about the uniformity of political contributors in HumCo. Some names I recognized, some I didn’t.

    The ‘good old boys’ comprise a social network so their ranks aren’t on any list and its possible no one personally knows all of them. But their retainers are publically visible, usually Republican, inheritors of substantial local wealth, which means(in this feudal system) land from which they collect rents, develop, and/or operate inherited businesses.

  77. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    That was John C. Osborn who did the outstanding reporting on political contributions in Eureka last October, NOT Hank Sims.

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/news/2010/10/14/interested-parties/

    It was also Charles Douglas on his Interviews show in April who tipped off the locals on why Nielsen might consider leaving despite his accomplishments.



    These Hank Sims worshipers might consider that they assign him undue credit for the observations of others.

  78. Not A Native
    June 21, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Thanks for the correction Anon5:26, my bad. What was the gist of Douglas’ interview?

  79. June 21, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Big turn out in support of Chief Nielsen at tonight’s city council meeting.

  80. Anonymous
    June 21, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Not a Native, you cannot be talking about police officers in your, or Hanks, description of the “good ole boys” ??

  81. tra
    June 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    It was also Charles Douglas on his Interviews show in April who tipped off the locals on why Nielsen might consider leaving despite his accomplishments.

    I guess the information you’re referring to is somewhere in that hour-long video? I’m curious about what you’re referring to, but not curious enough to wade through the whole hour. Perhaps you could either summarize, as NAN suggested, or at the very least give us some idea of roughly where in that interview the information you refer to is contained?

  82. legal begel
    June 22, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Main good ole boy Rex and his buddy Dave Tyson. Those are the ones trying to run Garr off. Tyson can’t get over Tawney Hansen, his heart is still broken.

  83. High Finance
    June 22, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I’m going to guess the “begel” has no proof or logic behind his smear of Rex as to how he is “trying to run Garr off” since Rex holds no public office.

  84. anon
    June 22, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    It’s really not that hard to figure out who good ol boys might be. HINT: look for former swat members who don’t get their overtime anymore, way-past-their-prime cops, disgruntled complaint filers, horny big dogs, paragons of the community who don’t give the time of day to the chief, et al. Since you are still out there spewing your filth, you must have forgotten the 50-plus complaints on Nielsen lodged with a civil Grand Jury a few years back that were found to be “without merit.” But instead of focussing on doing your jobs and making the community a better place to live, like the Grand Jury recommended and like you are paid to do, you sadly continue on your quest for revenge, your immature game-playing and your lies. You haven’t cared who you hurt or what you destroyed in the process. You wouldn’t know the high road if it rose up and bit you in the butt. But I do hope you remember all those sayings about karma, those who play with fire and live in glass houses, payback being a bitch, what goes around comes around, etc.

    And a small piece of advice: Move on. Everyone else has. You’ll never get your piece of the pie back, whether it be overtime money, a plum sit-on-your-ass desk job, dalliances with dispatchers or a big promotion. Even though you all think no one knows who you are, we do. And really, after all this time, you just look pathetic.

  85. The Monitor
    June 23, 2011 at 10:38 am

    The Chief has created the most effective department that I have see in over twenty years that I have been watching. Eureka still has many problems with crime, but it is far less than it was when I moved here. Let us not shoot ourselves in the foot over petty politics. His approach is WORKING!

  86. Truth in information
    June 23, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Hi fi’s glasses need a new prescription. This man is blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other. He does not have Eureka’s best interests at heart.

  87. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    If you don’t think there is a difference in safety you don’t live in Eureka. In the old days before Garr it was common to hear numerous gunshots every night on the west side. It was common to see a drug dealer parked playing music loudly in a car to announce their dealing. In the past many police would not address the issue. There were numerous homes burgled, these crimes didn’t make it into the newspaper. There would be low life losers driving around with their music blasting the sound barrier looking to score or sell. Numerous citizens were mugged and accosted. There were drug houses on nearly every other block. I thought Nielsen was hired to clean up the town. He has done that even though the city keeps welcoming more loser criminal types to town. That our City officials would even think about letting him go is a mind bender. This city seems to want to continue doing it’s best to turn the town into a big pile of shit so they can wallow in it.

  88. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Nielsen has brought EPD out of the dark ages and made it an organization that is responsive to the community. In that effort he has alienated those in the department who felt that EPD was not accountable to anyone. After all he has been through over the the past four years I can’t believe he has stayed this long. But I believe he thinks he can make a positive contribution to this community and that he will stay and see that through. As to his personal life, who gives a shit as long as he is managing the police department and meeting the needs of the communi. he has managed to rid a corrupt organization of most of the decay and hopefully will stay to reap some of the benefits. I just hope he stays u til the new culture is firmly entrenched so the old guard doesn’t try to take it back.

  89. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    If I were Nielsen’s wife I would have left thisshihole too. So what if she lives in Portland with her family and their daughters. I can tell you that the chief is very much marked and it speaks volumes that he wouldnt subject them to the salacious, hateful, behavior of those who want nothing more than to run the chief out of town. He will stay until he is fired or his contract expires, chiefs test all over all the time to measure themselves against other leaders, the chief retired from Oregon. He can’t go back and work there without giving up his rights to his future Oregon pension. If he leaves, which I doubt, it will be for Washington or somewhere else in California, hate to disappoint all of you who want EPD to return to the dark ages, those days are gone.

  90. The Truth
    June 23, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Oh golly geee you people need to chill out. Chief Garr didn’t make it to the top two in Bend so we are stuck with him. He has applied for every open Police Chief job in California and has never got hired. Any agency with a clue will avoid hiring him at all cost.

  91. Joel Mielke
    June 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Why does “The Truth” sound like such bullshit? Chief Nielsen looks pretty good to most of us. If you believe otherwise, you’d better convince us with something other than “he looked for the top job in more competitive markets, but he wasn’t chosen.”

  92. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    You would think that after four years you dumb shits would give up. Your old Gestapo is gone, not coming back. Move on. You might be able to find someplace as backward as EPD used to be. I doubt it but if you look hard enough you might find some town that wants cops who don’t care about people, or the city they are supposes to serve. Where it’s ok to kill mentally ill people and treat the residents like shit. Someplace you can be a real man. But it isn’t here any longer. Maybe trashing the chief makes you feel good good but it won’t change reality.

  93. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    When I moved to Eureka I had heard it was a corrupt and crude town. Oh well, I moved here thinking how bad could it be being on the bay on the West Coast with beautiful architecture. I admit I was a little put off by some of the toothless and trashy people but figured it would improve like other towns on the West Coast. I had no idea there was a concerted effort being made by the Good Ole Boy locals to make this beautiful town by the bay into a septic tank. Watching city council the other night I saw that the only apple of their their eye is the zoo. To hell with any area not surrounding the ZOO. Anyone living in the “safe” areas (zoo) wouldn’t understand the tremendous turnaround Garr Nielson has made in the rest of the town. Guess he tried to get rid of too much dead wood. That is the problem here, he actually runs the department the way it should be run. A true professional. But that doesn’t doesn’t count in this provincial backwater. This town is not only corrupt and crude but terribly backward. This town is run by losers and will only be run further into the ground by this group of small mean spirited, ignorant and stupid locals.

  94. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I doubt he is applying all over the state if he finished in top three in the most prestigious city in Oregon. Wishful thinking on your part but pure fantasy. I think he will stay just to make you brainless backwater twits miserable as possible. I think he enjoys knowing the old guard can’t force him out. Especially since it obviously drives you all so crazy. keep throwing those suckers in the sand and the chief will revel in your misery

  95. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    I doubt he is applying all over the state if he finished in top three in the most prestigious city in Oregon. Wishful thinking on your part but pure fantasy. I think he will stay just to make you brainless backwater twits miserable as possible. I think he enjoys knowing the old guard can’t force him out. Especially since it obviously drives you all so crazy. keep throwing those suckers in the sand and the chief will revel in your miserye

  96. Anonymous
    June 23, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    All I know is that when I call the police now they actually show up and treat me like a human being. Before chief nielsen arrived you were lucky to see a cop unless they were thumping someone, and they sure had no respect for anyone. I feel safer and feel like the police care, and that’s all that matters to me.

  97. Down the Road
    June 24, 2011 at 7:51 am

    I agree this city is crude. The past city councils and managers have allowed this city to be depository for high risk non-
    productive people. This tactic for nonprofits or nontaxpaying
    corporations has destroyed large portions of this city.
    Unfortunately many of us own property in the infected areas.
    We had no representation before Glass and then Nielsen.
    The current council save one represent the old guard and
    are saturated with ignorance. Has it occurred to anyone that
    two of the current council have occupied the seats before.
    Nothing got better then and all that will result now is to go backward. They will have it their way, regardless whether it
    is smart or if it makes sense.

  98. High Finance
    June 24, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I believe both of them had been off the city council for about ten years.

    Ten of the worst years for the quality of life in Eureka’s modern history.

  99. Anonymous
    June 24, 2011 at 11:05 am

    That is something I have noticed about Eureka. They seem to run into a wall, fall down, get up and run into the wall again. Stupid people running this ship. Why can’t they figure out that this place will never make it if all they cater to is the MAC, free showers, rescue missions etc. and tons of non profits. Again they talk about jobs and prosperity, they should look at a few dictionaries at the meaning of prosperity or have someone explain to them it won’t come by inviting the down and out, or the hundreds of non profits made up for those in need.

  100. Anonymous
    June 24, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Just got a call – the word is that they just fired the Chief. I hope this is just a nasty rumor.

  101. tra
    June 24, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    I believe both of them had been off the city council for about ten years. Ten of the worst years for the quality of life in Eureka’s modern history.

    And not one of those years did the “progessives” have a majority on the City Council. The old guard maintained a virtual lock on power throughout, ensuring that the era of backwardness continued with few exceptions.

    For a good portion of that time, Bass was either on the City Council or in the Mayor’s seat, Douglas and Harpham ran the dysfunctional Police Department, Tyson mismanaged from the City Manager’s office, and the likes of Arkley pal Jeff Leonard and the neanderthalic Mike Jones populated the City Council. Ten of the worst years? No surprise there!

  102. KARMA kid
    June 24, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Good Riddance. Let garr be the pimply sore on the ass of another department. the majority are glad to see him leave we all know his true self. He duped you. He lied to you. He told you what you wanted to hear while fucking everyone over.

    he is a vindictive fuck who deserves to be kicked out on his scrawny lying old man ass.

    guess we are not all as low IQ’ed as he once thought.

  103. June 24, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    guess we are not all as low IQ’ed as he once thought.

    Clearly he overestimated you.

  104. The Heraldo Curse
    June 24, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Boy, you guys are batting 1000 lately. Chin up, though, I’m sure it’ll get better.

  105. Anonymous
    June 24, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Heraldo 9:14 nothing funnier than the truth. Good one… HA HA!

  106. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    The City Manager should get the same treatment he dispensed to the Chief of Police, with the same finesse!

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