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Outrage at Tyson over police chief firing

Dave Tyson.

It appears Eureka City Manager Dave Tyson is the subject of community outrage over his Friday morning firing of popular police chief Garr Nielsen.

  • 100 people crowd Monday night meeting in support of Nielsen
  • Petition drive to fire Tyson
  • Former mayor, financial adviser dish on Tyson’s power trips
  • Recall considered for city council members who supported firing.

Hank Sims: The Firing of Garr Nielsen is Going to be a Very Big Deal

Times-Standard: Police chief firing draws anger: Forum highlights public discord; petition calls for city manager’s firing

North Coast Journal: Eureka Stirs

  1. funnygirl
    June 27, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    You wanna moderate comments, as Plan Jane would say, GYF

  2. Osprey
    June 27, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Revolt Eureka! Get rid of Tyson, Owen , and the other cronies!

  3. Richard Morris
    June 27, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I would be happy to sign petition to fire Tyson. Cheif Nielsen was a good man and the best police Chief the Eureka Police Dept ever had. Dave Tyson is without a doubt the worst City Manager Eureka has ever had and this is not the first time Tyson has fired a valuable member of the Eureka Staff. Tyson has needed to go for a very long time and Eureka would be a much better city without the likes of Dave Tyson!

  4. Standing with Eureka Citizens
    June 27, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Sounds like a recall election is in order. Bring back Larry Glass and keep Linda Atkins….the only one’s who speak for anyone besides Arkley minions. Go Eureka Go!!!

  5. Brady and Newman
    June 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Oops.

  6. Brady and Newman
    June 27, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Don’t judge us too harshly. We’re only following Rob’s orders. He paid for our campaigns. None of you people did.

    BTW – if you’re going to recall, start with Mike. He couldn’t even get half the vote in the last election. – MB

  7. June 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    I love when the confident overreach. This should be entertaining.

  8. June 27, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Good meeting. Great speakers. Thank you Linda Adkins for being so forthright about what is happening in City Hall. For those still being duped by Tyson it is time to wake up and face the reality.

  9. June 27, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    originalbitman = me, Mike Buettner.

  10. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    100 people huh,

  11. June 27, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Write your emails, make your phone calls. Tell Tyson that he’s made a HUGE mistake. He should have retired when he had the chance. It’s not too late, Dave. Time to go.
    We’ll be watching VERY carefully at the next meeting to see who the most ardent Tyson supporters on the council are. Those should be the recall targets. So go ahead, council members. Raise your lightening rods high. The storm is brewing!

  12. June 27, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Matthew Owen thought there were more than that but that’s as high as he could count.

  13. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    100 people? Doesnt seem like too big of a crowd.

  14. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    100 people, recall, go for it. You’re wasting your time.

    The council, except Atkins of course, and Mr. Tyson did the right thing. I support them, all of them.

  15. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I will just say thank you Dave. Its about time. As for neilsen I hope all goes ok for him somewhere else.

  16. June 27, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Anonymous, if you’re not hip deep in the Tyson pocket, I’ll eat my hat. We’ll bend over backward to find the truth while you bend over forward to hide it.

    Tyson is responsible for almost every employee hired at city hall. They’re fiercly loyal TO HIM, not the city for which they work. It has become a matter of personal loyalty to Tyson, NOT the city or its citizens. Tyson protects his people, even when they are demonstratably inept and incompetent. It gives him great power over the entire city operation. Simply look to the current Community Development Director if you need more proof.
    It’s time to go, David.

  17. Joel Mielke
    June 27, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    “You wanna moderate comments…”

    To the whiners who complain about “censorship” on this blog, I can only say that though not enough comments are deleted, I appreciate Heraldo’s attempts to improve these threads.

  18. June 27, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Every avalanche starts as a single rock, so alluding to 100 people not being enough, just remember this is only 72 hours later.

    Give it another week, and we’ll whether the momentum is there.

  19. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    But Tyson hired Nielsen? So by your logic Nielsen is loyal to Tyson, not the city? Are you saying Nielsen too was “demonstratably inept and incompetent”?

    Larry and Peter, you lost the election, get over it.

  20. Anon
    June 27, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Nielsen wasn’t loyal, that was the problem. He didn’t jump into Tyson’s pocket like everyone else (or his pants, depending on your gender) and that’s why Tyson couldn’t stand it. Nielsen got more and better press consistently and Tyson just got meaner and smaller.

  21. June 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “Larry and Peter, you lost the election, get over it.”

    Keep it up. While you divert we’ll focus on the issues. This has little to do with politics but if that’s your passion go for it.

  22. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    this BS is nothing but politics

  23. June 27, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Tyson’s actions certainly reek of politics.

  24. June 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I used to think so. But this issue just seems a petty power play. And I no way felt the discussion tonight was political. These were people feeling wronged and manipulated. So politically motivated by Tyson… perhaps. But I don’t think so from those who are upset.

  25. Anonymous
    June 27, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    It would be nice if Tyson and the Council would/could be more transparent and not deflect all questions with the “we can’t discuss personnel issues” non-response. Both Tyson and Nielsen have been embroiled in their share of controversy these past few years, to the point it’s hard to know what is true at this point. That said, it seems that Nielsen has made a positive impact on EPD. Based on the comments from those living in the most troubled areas of Eureka, things have greatly improved under his leadership. Therefore, it’s hard to believe he could be let go so abruptly without cause? Mystifying. And the reason given – different management styles – is just lame. Please! The public has a right to know what’s really behind all this.

  26. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Anon 10:45 I think you have that right. I also think he demoted some of those that let the city get into the mess it was. They got their revenge through their connections in city hall.

  27. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Garr is a hardworking man with high standards. A perfectionist. He is one of those rare individuals that truly cares for all people. I imagine it would be hard for Tyson to watch someone like Garr do a job with such competency, being who Tyson is. A petty control freak used to manipulating the town, and kowtowing to a few. Garr didn’t kiss Tyson’s ass. Garr demoted the few employees that were holding a good police force back. Tyson has been here way too long. He is not bringing this city forward but taking it backwards.

  28. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 5:25 am

    “Nielsen got more and better press consistently…”
    Thanks, Thad Greenson! But with Nielsen out, who will you worship now?

  29. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 6:45 am

    Reached by phone in Oregon after Monday’s forum, Nielsen declined to comment on specifics.

    ”I appreciate the overwhelming support of the community and the fact that they appreciate what I was trying to accomplish, and that I was fortunate to have a group of dedicated young men and women who believed in the concept of establishing a relationship with the community,” he said. “My hope is that that culture which was begun will continue to grow and thrive.”

    Garr has moved on, why won’t Larry, David, Peter and Ron do the same?

  30. Ed
    June 28, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Why are you even asking 6:45?

  31. Ed
    June 28, 2011 at 7:01 am

    I recommend the Eureka CO OP (Arkley Co Op) as the most appropriate location for gathering petition signatures.

  32. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 7:48 am

    I didn’t attend this meeting and neither did my neighbors (in central Eureka). However, discussions with many of them in the last few days indicates a spectrum from extreme outrage over the firing to simple frustration that Tyson is overreaching his duties and wasting our tax dollars. I’ve not heard anyone who is supportive of this move or of Tyson.
    Many people were not able to make the short notice of this meeting, but rest assured that this is not merely the outrage of 100 people. Howard Rein was there for gods sake – hardly a “liberal” with sour grapes about the last election.

  33. rotting sour grapes
    June 28, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Sour Grapes indeed! Newman, Jager and Brady ran on the Marina Center and jobs. Not on stopping the Jefferson School deal, Wasting measure O tax money and firing the Police Chief. Linda is right on target. Tyson and his “Brady bunch” need to go.

  34. Mathew Bass
    June 28, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I wrote everyones name who was there last night and I gave it to Tyson. You are all in big trouble now.

  35. Down the Road
    June 28, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Could Larry Glass and others that have businesses in Old Town
    or any part of the city have petitions located where people could
    come in and sign them.

    I don’t which makes me madder: Using the Prop O money for
    531 K or firing the Chief. David Tyson must go. We need a
    council that works for the city, not one that caters to just the
    rich boys. David Tyson had a temper tantrum. Shook his
    little fists and stamped his little feet. He just thinks he won the
    pissing contest.

  36. anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Arkley’s “beautiful” Disneyland on Steroids building?

    Perfect place for the Brady Bunch to meet, actually.

  37. June 28, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Garr Nielsen will be interviewed on KSLG at 9am.

  38. Eric Kirk
    June 28, 2011 at 9:00 am

    As Eureka progressives have not had much success since Kerrigan’s second run, I say you have to stop the infighting and organize a lot better before you start talking recalls. Maybe it can be done, but I have yet to see real effective grassroots organizing in Eureka since Kerrigan.

  39. June 28, 2011 at 9:06 am

    How about Arcata and Eureka have elected mayors that serve the same role as city manager, like most “real” cities have. It is a farce that an unelected person is the head of the executive branch of local government.

  40. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 9:24 am

    And look what it’s done for Kerrigan !!

  41. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I’ll sign the petition to recall Linda Atkins before she gets sued by Dave.

  42. High Finance
    June 28, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I didn’t attend this meeting and neither did my neighbors (also Eurekans). However discussions with many of them in the last few days ran the spectrum between curiousity about the reasons behind the firing to annoyance toward the liberals use of this firing for political reasons.

    But every single one of them, when informed of Linda Atkins comments and actions, were outraged. I am flabbergasted at her total lack of professionalism or class.

    Larry Glass, Ron Kuhnel, Peter LaValle, You guys lost (Larry & Peter big time) for a reason. You are spitting in the wind if you think you can ride this pony back into power.

    9.31am, I will also sign that recall petition to get rid of Linda Atkins.

  43. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I have found that many people that didn’t live in the war zone ( where there was a lot of crime) are curious as to why he was fired. Seems that most are not aware of the concerted effort by a few disgruntled employees to get rid of the Chief.

  44. retired guy
    June 28, 2011 at 10:14 am

    HiFi–So you think the way Tyson fired the police chief was OK? I think Tyson had no idea how Eureka citizens so appreciated the job Nielsen was doing, and/or he didn’t care. Either way, he screwed up. The majority of current council members are out of touch, as much as the city manager is. We’ll see how this washes out HiFi, but I feel you are, as usual, on the wrong side of this issue.

  45. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Mark, the idea might be that sometimes an elected position puts someone in the job that is merely popular, not technically knowledgeable. Some positions have to be filled by the council through their resume and qualification. Seems it ends up being the same problem though.

  46. Anon
    June 28, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Evidence of that (Anonymous at 10:15 am) would be Tyson’s buddy who runs Human Resources. Look at his resume and see where he has ever done antything that remotely qualified him for the job, except be Tyson’s friend.

  47. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 10:31 am

    A city manager that makes light of citizens concerns should hit the road. All he cares about is the zoo and his buddies in Cutten and the east side.

  48. High Finance
    June 28, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Retired Guy, I do not know if the way Tyson fired Nielsen was “OK” or not, I am not privy to the closed session personnel items on the agenda. But then neither are you.

    Like Skippy said yesterday, it must have been pretty damn serious reason for Tyson to have fired him with 5 minutes notice and to have him escorted out of the building.

    Like Fred & others have already said, Nielsen’s family never moved here from Oregon, he was applying for jobs in Oregon, put his Eureka house up for sale a while ago and the Times Standard had to contact him up in Oregon yesterday for his comments.

    I wonder how many of those “100 people” (other people are using smaller numbers) at last night’s meeting even live in Eureka. Or are they lack PJ & TRA, outsiders ?

  49. Eric Kirk
    June 28, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Point is HF, they aren’t the usual suspects of leftists. Despite the string of losses for Eureka progressives, this may have teeth.

  50. June 28, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Eric wrotethey aren’t the usual suspects of leftists.”

    Seems like the same bunch to me, unless I missed something. Howard Rein is certainly no leftist, but he is well known in some circles as a local gadfly (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

  51. Down the Road
    June 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    High Finance: It is not unusual to give that amount of time for
    a fired employee to be escorted out of a building. Tyson did
    this so he could cause as much humiliation as he could.

    Look at the T. Hanson lawsuit. D. Tyson was culpable. He was
    also embarrassed that he got caught. It is my understanding
    that Nielsen put a stop to the unwarranted overtime a small
    group was putting in when he first took over. They went after
    him and filed one grievance after the other. They
    continued to do that. When Nielsen first began to change
    the method of operation the same group went over his head
    to Tyson. Remember Nielsen was an outsider and the other
    group either were related, went to school with each other or
    had strong ties with each other. Tyson who has a ego problem
    and is not fit to be a manager took sides to the detriment of
    this community. If Tyson is using the measure O money for
    531 K and not the police dept. he should be removed from his
    employment. While the ballot said the money would go to the general
    fund all the advertising about it said public safety. Remember
    Dee Dee Wilson paid to T. Hanson $10,000 because of the blog
    she started and was again fed by this small group. While I
    don’t agree with some of the methodology used last night,
    because it reminds me of union speak, I do agree for the
    need to change. The council should be made up of people
    who want to make this city beautiful and healthy. Not this
    old school, old thinking group that has charge now. Like
    so many other people I strongly dislike the small group of
    people that are calling the shots in this city.

    .

  52. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 11:41 am

    After listening to Garr’s interview, I have a scenario:
    O’le Murl has a power trip, a small group of rogue cops loyal to him and a grip on some elected’s sack.

    One need only look at his kooky website (created by “friends”).
    If he has nothing to do with this, I’ll eat this blog.

  53. High Finance
    June 28, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Possibly you’re right Down The Road. OTOH, when the old city council extended Nielsen’s contract a year or two ago, FIFTEEN police department employees made the extraordinary step to publicly complain about the Chief at a open city council meeting.

    His department was in open rebellion and it should cause you to at least think maybe there was some fire behind all that smoke.

    And Eric Kirk, the few who showed up and made all that noise at the meeting are indeed the usual leftist. Howard Rein was quoted in the paper because he was the only one who wasn’t. And Fred is right, Howard is a gadfly whose best days are behind him.

  54. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 11:49 am

    LaValle, Glass, Kuhnell, you lost, the people have spoken! Get
    over it. Atkins, your next.

  55. mayfly
    June 28, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    David Tyson has led the charge to ignore specific neighborhood concerns. He continually has supported big business rather than decisions that benefit the working class people of Eureka. EH needs to move on. Remember that Eurekans spent $20,000.00 to search for a new city manager.

  56. Bump
    June 28, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Too many critics of past council members, you are speaking to the community here, not 3-4 alleged people you have some affinity to (you secretly like them right, and you can’t help it). These are regular people with time on their hands to comment on a blog, oh yeah, that are concerned about an inept city manager.

    Count the lawsuits and litigations Tyson has caused in his own office, then add that add that to the 200k given to former police employee to shut up, and the 160k they are going to give Nielsen.

    This whole ‘I’m the boss of you’ crap is wasting our tax money while water/sewer rates go up and staff get laid off.

    POP is a great program cleaning up the hard drugs in this community, the council needs to listen to the people, even if there we only 50 there.

  57. Carla Baku
    June 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Anonymous 11:49 said: “LaValle, Glass, Kuhnell, you lost, the people have spoken! Get over it. Atkins, your next.”

    All those mentioned above are now speaking as concerned Eureka citizens and have every right to do so. Happily, we have a variety of intelligent critical thinkers willing to stay involved with the decisions made by the current Eureka City Council.

    Derogatorily referring to a group of people–who are exercising their First Amendment rights to publically discuss the actions of their local government, by the way–is a lame, chickenshit argument bordering on ad hominem. The only way to find reasonable, workable solutions to our disagreements is to stop making it completely personal. (That goes for all of us.) If you disagree with others, speak to their argument with a factual argument of your own. We’re trying to have a civilization here.

  58. Roller
    June 28, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    why don’t you all start the church of Garr Nielson, you all seem to worship this guy. I bet most of you put more effort into this than you do to worship what ever god you subscribe.

  59. Tired of it all
    June 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Linda Atkins Said she was ashamed of being part of the city government . If that’s the way she feels, then why is she still there? She represent the minority of the council which the majority of the voters put in office. So if she can’t deal with it she needs to go.

  60. Tired of it all
    June 28, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Oh by the way, I doubt the current members are trying to hurt the community

  61. Joel Mielke
    June 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Roller, you sad clown, who’s “worshipping” Garr Nielsen?

  62. June 28, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    To “Roller” at 12:56; worshipping Garr Nielsen?? Actually, most of us were just incredibly impressed with the capable job he was doing-his professionalism was simply making a difference. There are lots of people who live on the Westside who were amazed that someone capable was brought in here to clean up the crime; he apparently also stepped on more than a few toes. So, even though he was doing a great job, reducing crime (with less money and manpower), starting more problem oriented policing, and generally listening to the citizenry, I guess because of those stepped on toes-they decided he had to go. The flap over his termination is only because we were so thrilled with the job he was doing. Worshipping? What’s the matter with you? We have been through several Police Chiefs in the past 25 years; he did the best job.

  63. anon
    June 28, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    How many police chiefs do you know would go into their department on their day off to shampoo carpets and paint so that their employees had a decent work environment? Sure doesn’t sound like someone trying to thwart the city manager at every turn. In fact, The only thing Tyson will be remembered for doing in his office will be taking his “afternoon snacks” with the Lil Jill, the realtor, whose husband went in and threw coffee at Tyson in that office. And before you Tyson lovers jump all over that as salacious allegation, the parties are all known, go ask em to deny it.
    That Tyson can do that and still be employed, or cover up Frank’s indiscretions with hookers says enough about him that the community should be more vigilant about what goes on in city hall.

  64. Anonymous
    June 28, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    And Eric Kirk, the few who showed up and made all that noise at the meeting are indeed the usual leftist.

    Okay, well, maybe some more have moved into town and I just don’t recognize them. I’ll take your word for it.

    But 100 turnout for a meeting on something like this is no small deal. Underestimate this at your peril, because after the Jefferson School deal and now this I’m personally aware of people who have never been active before who are ready to start. The four on the council might want to consider what has happened in Wisconsin, mere months following huge Republican wins there.

  65. Eric Kirk
    June 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Oops, that was me at 3:52. How did I log out?

  66. Tom
    June 28, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Make that 101 people. My 85 y.o. mother said the doors were closed by the time she arrived at 6:10 and did not enter. Who knows how many other people wanted to enter the building?

  67. June 28, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Eric,part of the outrage comes from the fact that Tyson himself resigned as city manager,saying that he had other things he wanted to do.Yet,as soon as the election was over he rescinded his decision solely based on a political ploy,as he now wouldn’t be working with Larry.So he fires the police chief,according to some sources here,because Garr was looking elsewhere for work.So either Tyson lied about his intention to leave as city manager,or at best he’s a hypocritical prick who used his position to fire an adversary.
    Funny to read hifi praising Tyson,when just after Dave announced his decision to step down,hifi went on to write that the city shouldn’t even hire him back if he still wanted the job.

  68. Al-anon
    June 28, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Tyson said, “I have served the public successfully for 31 years, always mindful of and abiding by the parameters set forth for my position. Never once exceeding my authority.”

    Dave, if you were Pinocchio, I could build a house with your nose.

  69. June 28, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    There in lies the rub. Is what Tyson deems “successful” the same as what the community at large would feel was successful if we all knew as much as he does about what he accomplished?

    I really tried to accept Dave as conscientious a city manager. But while I served on commissions and committees I found him to be disingenuous towards the input and direction we gave the city. His attitude towards the Coastal Conservancy (funder of a lot of coastal restoration) is appalling. His disrespect towards the ad hoc Public Safety Committee in 2006 was disgusting.

    The list is long. No doubt there are some who agree with him even knowing how he works. Unfortunately there are many in our community who don’t know. This really at its core is not political. Everyone wants the best for Eureka. Dave Tyson isn’t it.

  70. The Big Picture
    June 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Well written Mike.

    And Eric, please put your silly critique about progressive’s effectiveness, infighting and organizing into the proper perspective. If national trends apply here, over half the eligible voters are either unregistered or abstain!

    No one knows which individual, or cumulative examples of incompetence, arrogance and corruption, (or the individual or cumulative protests against it), will focus the momentum required for change.

    Just ask Rosa Parks.

    I was at the meeting last night and I didn’t recognize half of the attendees, nor have I seen them at any other of the numerous protests taking place in Eureka recently.

    If we had a real public-interest community newspaper, those who’ve been dominating local elections forever would have been outed long ago. Exposing what our Good Ol’ Boys are costing this community is a huge burden for individual citizens.

  71. Eric Kirk
    June 29, 2011 at 9:15 am

    And Eric, please put your silly critique about progressive’s effectiveness, infighting and organizing into the proper perspective. If national trends apply here, over half the eligible voters are either unregistered or abstain!

    The perspective comes from having driven up to volunteer for GOTV in the fall of 2006 and found that only a few of the usual suspects were present at elections HQ. I learned that day that there had been a split in Local Solutions and that one faction was either barred from the campaign or refusing to participate – I’ve heard different accounts. It was devastating to the morale at the time and I’ve seen no indication of recovery. What I have seen is meetings about the Balloon Track and other issues with only the ibig names showing up, but no apparent effort to rally the grassroots. I haven’t seen any sign of recovery of the movement since, the only bright spot being Linda Atkins’ win. Everyone else has lost in a city which blew Rex Bohn, Walmart, and liquid natural gas out of the water in the prior years.

    “Silly” as my concerns may seem, four years of losses due to infighting is even sillier.

  72. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Sleazy doesn’t appear to be the half of it. There are a lot of past and present employees from all departments in the city who know the truth about Tyson. They should probably be prepared to be called out about it, possibly in a legal setting, because I don’t think this is going to go quietly away, much as Tyson would like it to.
    There is too much out there now:

    1. Where is the $ coming from to pay the chief/
    2. Is there a misuse of Measure O money involved?
    3. Did Tyson use his office for his adultery?
    4. Did Tyson’s kids get favoritism in securing city redevelopment money for their residences?

    This is just for starters, the the city council better think long and hard about the contract they just extended. The blowback is going to get ugly.

  73. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Where do those kids live, does anyone know? Redevelopment Zone or not.

  74. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    An audit AND a civil grand jury complaint, now you’re talking! Where do I sign up? How do we get em going?

  75. The Big Picture
    June 30, 2011 at 11:36 am

    ***Eric Kirk says:
    June 29, 2011 at 9:15 am

    “Silly” as my concerns may seem, four years of losses due to infighting is even sillier”.

    ******************************************************************

    Eric, I appreciate all of your posts, but you’re just plain wrong on this one.

    Every movement in history had infighting!

    What they ALSO had were widespread media sources that put the debate on TV every night and every day on the front pages….Take a look at today’s NCJ letters under “Hunkered Down”.

    Why should citizens get involved when our community, state, nation and world’s most pressing issues are effectively being self-censored?

    Poor turnouts, blame, and infighting are all exacerbated by rampant censorship.

    “Four years of losses” are actually closer to 20 years, and hasn’t a GD thing to do with silly infighting, and EVERYTHING to do with local media’s terror of ad-sale losses if they inform citizens of who is dominating local politics, how, why, and for how long.

    Were you at the 2008 and 2010 GOTV?

    Hmmm…

  76. What Now
    June 30, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Unbelieveable.
    Equal application of the law in spite wealth and a sense of entitlement.
    Kudos to the California Coastal Commision.

  77. anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Re: The Big Picture says:
    June 30, 2011 at 11:36 am

    How right you are!
    I speak as one who was at GOTV 2008 and 2010.

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