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Petition drive to fire Tyson meets Saturday

UPDATE: Here’s the KSLG interview with Linda Atkins from this morning.  Thanks, John Matthews!

Eureka City Councilwoman Linda Atkins will meet with residents at noon on Saturday at California and 15th to gather signatures for a petition calling for the removal of David Tyson from the Eureka city managers office.

Atkins first made the announcement at a meeting in support of fired Police Chief Garr Nielsen, and repeated it on KSLG this morning (audio to be posted soon, stay tuned).

  1. Frank Rizzo
    June 29, 2011 at 10:03 am

    DUMP LINDA

  2. Ben
    June 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

    It takes three votes to do that and Atkins has only one, she is on her own on this and her actions will not bring support from other councilmembers. Just more sour grapes over her crowd’s massive election losses, time to move on instead of being noisy with no consequences, leaving many burned bridges behind. Not a good example of effective leadership.

  3. Plain Jane
    June 29, 2011 at 10:08 am

    And Rizzo creeps out from under the slimy rock where its been hiding since the Above the Law blog scandal.

  4. Plain Jane
    June 29, 2011 at 10:10 am

    The other council members might find themselves the subject of recall, Ben. They don’t get to vote on that.

  5. June 29, 2011 at 10:18 am

    The “VOTERS” got what they wanted and justifiably so – told to shut up and do as they are told!

  6. robash141
    June 29, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Yeah Ben keep on being usufferably smug until those Council members get dumped out of office in humiliating fashion Hope. Those four deadbeats on the council have no political ambitions beyond serving one truncated term.

  7. insider
    June 29, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Linda is a Hero

  8. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 10:31 am

    You folks need therapy.

  9. Goldie
    June 29, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Not too long ago the citizens voted to pass Measure O to raise our taxes because the city was in dire financial condition. We voted to insure our police and fire departments would continue to be able to serve our city. Other services were cut to stop the financial bleeding and so O was passed to maintain some of our standard of living in Eureka. Tyson’s actions have cut into our funds for services. The ever infamous Global Investigation and following law suits cost hundreds of thousands. The firing of a police chief without cause will result in the payout of over a hundred thousand and perhaps more as his costly deeds are often understated. Our funds are not being used wisely nor are they being used to insure a future or maintain services.
    It is time for a new city manager.

  10. High Finance
    June 29, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Atkins has burned her bridges and is now totally ineffective.

    Recalling her is the only way to get the council back to the people’s business.

  11. June 29, 2011 at 10:46 am

    You clearly have little faith in your 4-1 majority if you think Linda’s one vote is standing in your way.

  12. Goldie
    June 29, 2011 at 11:03 am

    It IS time to get the council back to the people’s concerns. Public safety, responsible and open handling of the people’s funds and seeing to the concerns of the health of our city and future. It is time to dump Dave.

  13. Fact Checker
    June 29, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “back to the people’s business” Err No Class Finance, which “people” would that be? The “people” of the Ingomar Club? The “people” who want to carpet the hills of Humboldt with cheap houses and strip malls?

  14. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 11:16 am

    A petition drive is a time-honored way to demonstrate the breadth of support for a cause. I doubt that the petition itself will lead to Tyson’s resignation, nor do I think it will lead the current City Council majority to fire Tyson, but I expect that this petition drive is only the first step in an overall effort to hold the City Council and the City Manager accountable for their decision to fire the Police Chief.

    This petition drive may prove to be a very useful organizing tool, as it will allow organizers to guage the level of enthusiasm for a potential recall campaign of some of the City Council members if (when) those Council members fail to take action to remove Tyson. If lots of people show up to circulate the Fire Tyson petitions, and a majority of residents who are approached with the petition are eager to sign, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see an official recall petition drive getting underway in the near future.

    Supporters of the current City Council majority no doubt believe, or at least hope, that this is just a “tempest in a teapot,” representing nothing more than the outrage of a few of “the usual suspects” from the left. And it’s easy enough for them to dismiss a public meeting of a hundred or so folks in a city with many thousands of voters. But by the same token, a petition signed by thousands will be quite a bit harder to dismiss. And if those who are circulating this initial petition go to the next step of circulating an official recall petition, and they are able to gather the requisite number of signatures to force a recall election, supporters of the current Council majority will no longer be able to dismiss this movement at all.

    If actual recall election is called, this will create a very interesting dynamic, where those Council members who will have to defend themselves from being recalled will be in the difficult position of having to defend their support for the City Manager’s firing of the Chief, even as they claim that they cannot comment on the reasons for that firing. Basically, they’ll be asking their constituents to trust them, blindly. While their most ardent supporters may be willing to offer that kind of blind support, “swing voters” may be less enthusiastic about that.

    So I suspect that the more politically astute supporters of the current Council majority are probably quite a bit more worried than their smug pronouncements would suggest.

  15. Joel Mielke
    June 29, 2011 at 11:35 am

    “You clearly have little faith in your 4-1 majority if you think Linda’s one vote is standing in your way.”

    Republicans are sore winners.

  16. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 11:39 am

    If the Council and the City Manager is able to quickly hire a new Chief who is judged to be an acceptable replacement by the majority of City residents, that might significantly blunt any momentum towards a recall campaign. But this may turn out to be a difficult task, since many qualified candidates may be hesitant to apply for the position given the shoddy treatment that Nielsen recieved from the Old guard clique within the EPD and from the Council and the City Manager, seemingly at the behest of that clique.

    If the Council and City Manager hire someone from within that clique and/or if EPD officers show signs of a return to the arrogant, swaggering attitude that was so evident at the EPD prior to Nielsen’s tenure, that will tend to add fuel to the fire. One would think that the Old Guard clique would recognize that risk and restrain themselves, but given the kind of immaturity and rabid hatemongering evidenced on the Above the Law blog, and the “sore winner” gloating that we’ve seen in the wake of Nielsen’s firing, it may turn out that these folks are not be able to contain themselves. We shall see.

  17. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Actually Joel progs were sore winners when they had control. I distinctly remember that time AND being told “get over it – we won”. Not that that makes it right. It is what it is.

  18. June 29, 2011 at 11:45 am

    If the Council and the City Manager is able to quickly hire a new Chief who is judged to be an acceptable replacement by the majority of City residents

    I doubt this is possible. The only chief that would be acceptable is a kiss ass to Tyson who will back peddle the department to avoid the “differences in management styles” with his boss. That’s not acceptable to the majority of Eureka.

  19. Migh Finances
    June 29, 2011 at 11:54 am

    When enough people hear a compassionate, intelligent and articulate political candidate speaking openly from the heart it makes the other council members look cynical and devious and our city loses credibility.

    Why do you people relentlessly try to hurt our city this way?

    Honestly, can you imagine the others stumbling through an interview that long?

    She’s a dangerous woman and we’ll do everything we can to stop her, including more of my mindless satire and insults.

    It’s all I got.

  20. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    As I said in a previous thread, it’s starting to look like the only people who will be considered for the position of EPD chief (and possibly the only ones who would even apply for the position) would be those who are willing to accept that their most important constituency would be the Old Guard clique within the department, with Tyson and the City Council ranking second and third, and actual Eureka residents being, at best, an afterthought.

    But it looks like those three contituencies are more or less all on the same page, so loyalty to Tyson may serve as an index for loyalty to the Council majority and the EPD Old Guard clique.

    There’s an old joke about Chicago-style machine politics that may apply here, and it goes like this:

    Question: What’s another word for 99% loyalty?

    Answer: Disloyalty.

  21. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Actually Joel progs were sore winners when they had control. I distinctly remember that time AND being told “get over it – we won”. Not that that makes it right. It is what it is.

    When did progressives have control on the Eureka City Council? I don’t remember that.

  22. Humboldt Rick
    June 29, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Tyson is an over-paid asshole whose every move has been to destroy Eureka. SAVE EUREKA — SACK TYSON.

  23. Suzy Q
    June 29, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    smug, that’s Tyson alright. He usually gets whatever he wants, He so good at making the person believe it’s was they wanted.

  24. June 29, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    After the firing of Harvey Rose back when, didn’t Tyson demand that it take 4 votes to fire him before he accepted the job and have it written into his employment agreement?

  25. Down the Road
    June 29, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I am not a Democrat nor do I lean to the left. But, under the
    circumstances I must side with the left. D. Tyson, his
    cohorts on the council and the minions that cow tow to the
    contractors are self serving. They need to be replaced with
    people who know how to run a city and care about the beauty
    of the city. The contractors and a few of the businessmen
    have more money than the rest of us. That does not make them
    right. It makes them white trash with money.
    Is it true they are using Measure O money to enlarge the zoo?

  26. Decline To State
    June 29, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    I doubt this is possible. The only chief that would be acceptable is a kiss ass to Tyson who will back peddle the department to avoid the “differences in management styles” with his boss. That’s not acceptable to the majority of Eureka.

    Meaning no defense for Tyson (I think the man’s a menace) but he did initially hire Nielsen for the chief’s job. I’m sure in hindsight he thinks he made a mistake but there is the outside possibility he may accidentally hire someone competent again…but I’m probably being overly optimistic.

  27. Goldie
    June 29, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I heard Letterman is doing a top ten reasons to fire Tyson.

  28. robash141
    June 29, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Rumor has it that ol”‘ Murl is just keeping the seat warm until his son Ron can take over theCchief’s job in true nepotistic EPD fashion. Don’t know that nuch about Ron but I know he received the all-important abovethelaw.com endorsement for the job which means he should never be allowed to become Chief

  29. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Linda throws a tantrum because she can’t have her way. She, and the regular old guard at Larry’s blog, are emotionally arrested in the Terrible Twos.

  30. June 29, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Who’s getting emotional, poopy face tantrum thrower?

  31. The Straight Scoop
    June 29, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    What is Larry’s blog called?

  32. Living In Eureka
    June 29, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    David Tyson answers to the City Council. The City Council is there to SERVE THE PEOPLE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! NOT THE WILL OF CITY HALL. Does anyone out there really think the people of this city would have passed Measure O before Garr came to clean up this mess?
    Tyson along with Mike Night, made our Police Chief Strip down to his shorts & gave him 5 minutes to change into his street clothes, gather his belongings & leave the building! This is Shameful treatment!
    I don’t care why Garr was fired, this type of treatment is unacceptable. Dump Dave! The sooner the better. If the City Council does not listen to this out cry – Dump Their Asses too!

  33. June 29, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Great posts by tra above. This is the reason City Managers usually DO NOT stay in one city for more than a few years. They get too deeply invested in one power block or another. Trouble results. Right Dave? Tyson put his feet squarely in the old power network, the so-called good-old-boys club. Most of them do not want any change. They fight it tooth and nail. Tyson obliges and adds micro-managing to his list of faults.

    He drove out almost all of the competent people at City Hall. The city attorney ran for the border. The Finance Director, TWO Community Development Directors
    (including Sidney), and the City Clerk all jumped ship as quickly as they could. Even the Fire Chief “retired” but was dragged back by being allowed to double dip, a tempting scenario. Now the only competent Department head left, the Chief of Police, Is fired “without cause”? Does something smell rotten to you? Apparently Tyson thinks competent people threaten his power. He must LOVE the current City Council!!!! Even Tyson ‘engineered’ his contract extension. The city does not pay for his health insurance. Instead it gives him the money as salary and he pays for it. That makes his ‘on paper’ incme higher so his retirement is HIGHER. It is a close cousin to double dipping and it cost US money.
    Time to go, Dave!

  34. June 29, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    “Time to go, Dave!” and do what? Put in another secretive authoritarian manager that answers to no one? What’s that say?

  35. Sylvia
    June 29, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Thank you, Tra, for posting the most cogent and thoughtful posts in this discussion.
    The “usual suspects” are yet again trying to turn this into a right vs left scenario. This isn’t a right/left situation, this is a matter of right vs wrong. Nielson accomplished what he was hired to do and he did so very well. Since when is that a basis for firing someone? That Tyson was out to get him is made clear by the manner in which he carried out Nielsons dismissal. Giving the man 5 minutes to grab a few personal things and change into civvies and hand over his uniform and then add insult to injury by escorting Nielson to the door is cheap and ugly. If this kind of behavior by a city manager is acceptable to the City Council there is something very wrong w/ Eurekas governing body.

  36. Down the Road
    June 29, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Not that I am vindictive or mean, but have you noticed that
    David Tyson wears a likeness of the Dorian Gray protrait
    on his face..

  37. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    It is the mistake of applying sun screen with an icepick.

  38. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Response to Goldie June 29, 2011 at 10:34 am

    “The firing of a police chief without cause will result in the payout of over a hundred thousand and perhaps more as his costly deeds are often understated.’

    Answer: The cost is limited as he was fired “without cause” and can’t sue because of that. I believe it is $60,000 something not as you have stated as over $100K. If he was fired “for cause” there could be a very big lawsuit that could cost Eureka a lot. That was limited by the “without cause”.

    We don’t know what he did or didn’t do that got him fired and in reality the City of Eureka can’t talk about it as it is actually a “personnel issue” so some here can complain and want to do different things – recalls and whatever, but we won’t know why and that is the point here. He may have done some things wrong as even Neilsen has admitted in various news conferences on various news reports. He just never said what he did wrong bit I think he probably knows.

  39. June 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    There wasn’t a firing offense or it would have been “with cause.”

  40. Goldie
    June 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Dear 6:29 from the Times-Standard we learn the amount of money that will be spent without service to the city: “Under the terms of Nielsen’s contract, the city is obligated to pay him six month’s salary — approximately $66,500 — and a lump-sum payout for all accrued sick and vacation time for firing him without cause. Additionally, according to the contract, the city is bound to purchase two years of CalPERS service credits on his behalf, which could cost the city about $100,000 according to loose calculations on the CalPERS website using Nielsen’s contract information. “

  41. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Linda wasn’t throwing a tantrum or anything like it. And it’s not her not getting her way. It’s the citizens who are ignored by the council majority. BIG difference.

  42. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    There’s a really sleazy game being played here by Tyson’s defenders. They imply that the sudden firing must have been because of some kind of major mismanagement or some scandal involving Nielsen. And then they state that since it’s a “personnel matter” we can never know what the alleged mismanagement or scandal was. So, not only is Nielsen is guilty until proven innocent, you’ll never be able to prove him innocent either.

    The reality is that if there really was serious mismanagement or a scandal involving Nielsen, then he could and should have been fired “for cause” which wouldn’t have cost the city the $160,000 for severance pay and CalPERS, which is what it will cost the city because they fired him “without cause.”. But, say the Tyson defenders, then Nielsen could have sued the city. Well, not successfully, if there really was serious mismanagement or scandal of the sort that would have justified the firing.

    Basically, they want to have it both ways: Nielsen was so incompetent or so tainted by the imagined scandal that he had to be fired immediately yet still not incompetent enough or scandalous enough to be fired “for cause.” A pretty unconvincing argument, and evidence of just how desperate they are to try to smear Nielsen and to rationalize what the City Council majority and Tyson have done.

  43. Anonymous
    June 29, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Maybe Tyson always had a passion to see Garr strip. This is the closest he could come to his fantasy.

  44. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Sleazy doesn’t appear to be the half of it. There are a lot of past and present employees from all departments in the city who know the truth about Tyson. They should probably be prepared to be called out about it, possibly in a legal setting, because I don’t think this is going to go quietly away, much as Tyson would like it to.
    There is too much out there now:

    1. Where is the $ coming from to pay the chief/
    2. Is there a misuse of Measure O money involved?
    3. Did Tyson use his office for his adultery?
    4. Did Tyson’s kids get favoritism in securing city redevelopment money for their residences?

    This is just for starters, the the city council better think long and hard about the contract they just extended. The blowback is going to get ugly.

  45. William Verick
    June 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    I nominate Randy Gans to be the next chief of EPD. Not enough homeless people are being beat up in Old Town.

  46. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    An audit AND a civil grand jury complaint, now you’re talking! Where do I sign up? How do we get em going?

  47. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Response to Goldie:

    Goldie says:
    June 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Dear 6:29 from the Times-Standard we learn the amount of money that will be spent without service to the city: “Under the terms of Nielsen’s contract, the city is obligated to pay him six month’s salary — approximately $66,500 — and a lump-sum payout for all accrued sick and vacation time for firing him without cause. Additionally, according to the contract, the city is bound to purchase two years of CalPERS service credits on his behalf, which could cost the city about $100,000 according to loose calculations on the CalPERS website using Nielsen’s contract information. “

    If he didn’t take his vacations like while in Lake Tahoe and “other vacations” he took then why would that amount be added to his vacation pay?

    I have read here on this blog that Tyson was jealous of Nielson’s cavorting with Nielson’s girflriend and that was why he was fired. Anyone going to ask Nielson’s wife why she didn’t move here and why he was cavorting with a girlfriend? Just asking as this has been posted a few times.

  48. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    8:51,

    Either you have incredibly poor reading comprehension skills, or you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts.

    There is no evidence whatsoever that Nielsen was “cavorting” with anyone. Meanwhile, the person who spread the vicious false rumours to that effect was sued and had to pay $10,000 to the woman who was the target of the deplorable rumormongering. The same woman filed suit against Tyson and the city, alleging that Tyson had sexually harassed her continuously and aggressively, and also that he had interfered with and slowed down an investigation into those who were spreading the vicious false rumours about her and the chief. The city had to pay $200,000 to settle that suit, suggesting that there was indeed some very strong evidence to back up her claims, and also suggesting that Tyson’s denials weren’t at all convincing, even to the city’s own lawyers.

    So it may well be that Tyson believed that Neilsen was having an affair with the woman who Tyson himself was targeting with his sexual harrassment (and maybe that IS one of the reasons for Tyson’s firing of Nielsen, I don’t know), but that woman was most certainly NOT Tyson’s girlfriend, nor is there any evidence that Nielsen had any sort of inappropriate relationship with her.

    Here’s an idea: Try to get your facts straight before you spew that kind of crap here. Otherwise, be warned — you will get called on your BS.

  49. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Oh, by the way, should your reading comprehension skills allow it, you can brush up on these facts on page 11 of this week’s North Coast Journal.

  50. June 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Why would you even post this? You might want to try the Mirror.

    “Not enough homeless people are being beat up in Old Town.”

  51. tra
    June 29, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I assumed that WV was trying to make a point through sarcasm, and just doing a piss-poor job of it.

  52. Anon
    June 29, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Why would Nielsen’s wife not want to move here indeed. I met her, she seemed intelligent and personable, with probably a higher IQ than the gang of four combined. So my guess is that she chose not to live in a low class, low brow, wild west burg that spawned the sick abovethelaw blog. I myself am still stunned that grown adults not only engineered such vicious attacks but that it was allowed to continue for so long.
    Also, Nielsen worked here for several years, never taking more than a few days off at a time. Aside from the fact that there wasn’t much to pick from as far as who would be acting chief I think his hands were full with changing the PD’s 20th century culture. So his sick & vacation time are probably worth several thousand more dollars the city doesn’t have and Tyson hasn’t mentioned.

  53. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 12:41 am

    The phrase I keep hearing in my head…

    Seek. Professional. Help.

  54. High Finance
    June 30, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Tra, your outrage would be more credible if it wasn’t so selective.

    You castigate Anon at 8.51pm but the equally despicable comments at 7.18pm you are OK with ?

  55. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 9:25 am

    HiFi you are selective, also. You had no outrage over renegade cops who would create the blog and have the chief followed?

  56. High Finance
    June 30, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Liar patty. You have no idea of what I am outraged about.

    I have condemned that blog although I never saw it. I have only heard it described here.

    But that brings up a point. How did anyone “allow” the site to remain up as has been charged here ? Wasn’t it anonymous ?

  57. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Do not for one minute think or ASSume that Garr Neilson Never posts on blogs….

  58. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    HiFi please read more carefully, that was a question and not a statement. I wouldn’t presume to know what outrages you. I am glad to know you condemned the blog. It was some pretty sick stuff.

    The reason Hansen’s payout was so high and settled before it went to court was that her team discovered that Wilson was behind some of the harassment and had lied about it in the city’s global investigation.
    It is not a stretch to consider that Tyson knew very well Wilson was involved in the blog and who else might have been. Yes it was anonymous, but Tyson let it “remain up” for several months to be viewed on city computers, which is what I believe the reference means. His culpability for that was part of the reason the settlement was paid out.

  59. s@shonuff.org
    June 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    It is obvious that in 2007 Nielsen took over a department that contained within it several actual killers and he was tasked to clean up the department. It is quite understandable that he did not want to risk the safety of his wife and children here but instead kept them in the safety of distance. He probably knew from the git-go too that his time here would be limited. He isn’t stupid. It’s like fighting with the Mafia. Some people have to do it but they do it carefully.

  60. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    And his refusal to act at all until he was forced to, Patty, as well as his admittedly unusual step of making a phone call to recommend DD Wilson for a job (in San Jose?) which came out in his deposition. What sort of manager would take an extraordinary step to recommend a vile person like DD Wilson who had a major role in disrupting a vital public department? Was this an undisclosed part of the settlement with her?

  61. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    The sort of manager who was being “blackmailed” by her sister, his assistant, most likely.

  62. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Tyson had no ability to take the blog down or punish anonymous blog posters; but he did have the ability to block city computers from accessing it, which would presumably at least have guaranteed they weren’t being paid while they did it or sharing the posts at work, but he didn’t block access or investigate to see if city computers were being used. His “investigation” was an expensive sham never intended to discover the harassers; even though with the complaints he was getting he had to have a very good idea who was behind it.

  63. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Tra, your outrage would be more credible if it wasn’t so selective. You castigate Anon at 8.51pm but the equally despicable comments at 7.18pm you are OK with ?

    No, i’m not “OK” with them, and I agree that the comment is obnoxious and could potentially be described as despicable, at though I tend to think that would be taking that comment a bit too seriously. But I didn’t take that comment seriously, it just seemed like another immature and silly remark and I passed right by it. Whereas I saw the 8:51 comments as a very inaccurate description of real events that may actually be quite relevant to the Chief’s firing (no way to know that for sure, of course, but it certainly does seem like a possibility to me).

    Yeah, I guess we’re all somewhat selective about what we get outraged by, and part of that is which “side” we’re on with regard to any particular issue, and part of that is which comments we take seriously and which we dismiss as mostly harmless, if stupid, immature and obnoxious. I can’t police every single comment that comes down the pike, and some seem more serious, and more seriously misleading than others, which are just stupid and not likely to mislead anyone. If you are being fair, you will note that I also “castigated” folks on other threads where they have taken unfair shots at Murl’s age, and when they have made anonymous sleazy evidence-free attacks alleging sexual indiscretions by Tyson and Jager.

    I don’t claim to be perfect, or 100% fair, but I do try my best. If others would do likewise and at least make some additional effort to try to be fair and civil, we’d have much more meaningful discussions on these threads…of course then readership might decline sharply, too!

  64. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Does anyone remember that there was talk of ” taking Garr out”? I forget if that came out in the trial or on the blog.

  65. Lurch
    June 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Let us remember something. The anonymous thugs who posted up the Above the Law Eureka blog were also cowards. As soon as it drew some heat they took down all of the actionable material even though they were posted anonymously. COWARDS.

    If any of it were true it would not be actionable and there would be no reason to take it down.

    Happily if there is any further litigation I am sure that blogspot still has archives. Attorneys take note.

  66. Goldie
    July 2, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Getting people to sign the petition today was very easy.

  67. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    How many people showed up to circulate the petitions? Any idea how many signatures were gathered today?

  68. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I saw 13 people in the Channel 3 news footage. Linda Atkins and 12 others.

    Three of those 12 are posters here. No indication of any massive outrage by the general public.

  69. July 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    It’s always amusing to see HiFi presume to know about who comments here, and then lie about his own activities on this blog (ie his claim that he always posts under his common pseudonym.)

  70. anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I canvassed for signatures Saturday. Very few people were home but of those that were 8 signed, 2 said no. I never thought I’d call canvassing fun but it was. I hope we’ll continue to gather signatures until we have the critical mass to dump Dave.

  71. Ed
    July 4, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Uh oh, better start using your friends’ computers HiFi. Oh, how silly of me. That would be uh, difficult.

  72. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 10:11 am

    The truth & Heraldo seem to be strangers.

  73. July 5, 2011 at 10:15 am

    You and I both know the lies you’ve told here, HiFi.

  74. Anonymous
    July 5, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Thank you Heraldo for putting up the link on “Backtracking under interim police chief”. It is good to remember the many things that have gone on in the past. I find that there are many that don’t know what is going on. They are mystified as to why the Chief was fired.

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