Show me your underwear

If there is any question whether Eureka City Manager Dave Tyson likes to see his employees undergarments, this story seems to cinch it.

Here’s how the firing of police Chief Garr Nielsen went down:

Tyson arrived at EPD at 11am on Friday for a pre-scheduled meeting with the Chief.  Such meetings were not unusual, but this time Tyson had Asst. City Manager Mike Knight in tow. Once in Garr’s office, Tyson read from a prepared script to inform Garr he was sacked, effective immediately.

Tyson told Garr to hand over his phones, computers, radios, badge, service revolver — and his uniform — on the spot. Garr happened to have an extra set of clothes in the office from days off doing maintenance at the Department (incoming police chiefs take heed — an extra set of clothes will limit the time Tyson gets to gawk at your undies in the event you are fired for no reason).

Tyson gets Garr down to his skivvies and starts asking him about guns.  Does he have any at home?  Garr said no. Tyson asks about Garr’s rifle, and Garr points to it hanging on the wall in his office.

Captain Murl Harpham then walks into the office — apparently already informed of the firing — to escort Garr from the building.

After collecting a few belongings from his police car under Tyson’s watchful eye, Garr walked across the street to his car and left.

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  1. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:19 am

    It was in Garrs contract to use the city car to and from work whats up with that, why was his car at the ready on that particular day?

  2. Pitchfork
    June 30, 2011 at 7:26 am

    clearly revenge and an attempt to humiliate. Every citizen should be outraged at Tyson’s actions

  3. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Or the unstated “Reason(s)” for firing Garr are so horrendous it required a quick exit….

  4. June 30, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Keep dreaming. Tyson tried his best to paint a “horrendous” picture of Garr for the Grand Jury, but the GJ exonerated the police chief.

  5. June 30, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Obviously well orchestrared by Tyson, Knight, and Harpham. This one probably gave Murl wet-dreams. He finally gets to play ‘chief’. Don’t drool on the desk, Murl.

    When most folks are dismissed for “NO CAUSE”, they usually stay awhile to make time to find a replacement or at least to ease the transition. This was clearly a Tyson ‘revenge’ move meant to demean and humliate for ‘NO CAUSE’. Now everyone remember, Tyson has that wonderful toll bridge he wants to sell us. Were do we sign up, Dave?

    Dave, IT’S TIME TO GO!

  6. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Really? I don’t think so.

  7. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Firing without cause per contract is commonly used as a way to avoid a lawsuit, for if Garr were fired for something he might be able to argue in court….much bigger payout from the city of Eureka. Tyson was prob cutting his losses. What a bunch of whimps. Garr can retire at close to what he was bringing home every month.

  8. Al-anon
    June 30, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Garr had been using his personal car every day for quie awhile, Tyson wouldn’t let him use a city car anymore.

  9. Al-anon
    June 30, 2011 at 8:10 am

    It’s funny Tyson asked about guns. Garr is the only one around this sordid event who seems to have kept his head and his classiness. Tyson better look closer to home if he is worried about someone going postal.Employees who hired someone to follow the chief are the ones who would do something like that, not the other way around.

  10. June 30, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Sounds to me, as reported above, that someone was real scared and justifiably so. Maybe someone should have taken a look a Tyson’s shorts.

  11. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Stay classy, Eureka.

  12. Pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 8:23 am

    This reflects pretty badly on Dave. Now maybe people will believe some on the posters who have 1sthand experience of his whims, his revenge and his need for sycophants as opposed to employees. For those who keep asking what the reason was for the firing, this is pretty transparent. It’s spelled r-e-v-e-n-g-e.

  13. anon
    June 30, 2011 at 8:44 am

    hey down the road posted this:

    Down the Road says:
    June 30, 2011 at 8:25 am
    Eureka City Code 34.59 Retirement Eligibility: Whenever
    any person shall have been duly appointed, hired, or selected,
    and whenever any such person, irrespective of age, shall have
    served as a member of the Fire Department or the Police Department, in any rank or capacity whatever, for a period of
    25 years or more in the aggregate, the council, upon written
    application of any such firefighter or police officer, or upon
    such person reaching the age of 65 years, shall order and direct
    that such person be retired from further active service in the
    Fire Department or Police Dept.

    This code goes on about the retirement pay. The point is
    such person reaching the age of 65 years shall order and
    direct that such person be retired……

    Let’s add Fire Murl to Fire Tyson! There’s a man sucking the city dry by drawing his huge salary for being a figurehead at POP. There’s a reason he was demoted to a Lieutenant and didn’t get to be acting chief when Nielsen was off. The old man has served the city and now it’s way past time to go.

  14. June 30, 2011 at 8:46 am

    …service revolver….

    A very minor point but I don’t think Nielsen carried a revolver. EPD issues semi- automatic handguns. There’s a difference.

  15. June 30, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Oh, and for what it’s worth, I’m not at all happy with the way this was handled. Tyson should have just told him he was being let go without cause and that he had the weekend to clean out his office.

    If the account is true, this does sound to me like intentional humiliation on Tyson’s part. I’m guessing there was some serious bad blood between the two.

  16. High Finance
    June 30, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Eight topics on Nielsen in just six days. You guys are obsessing and have lost all perspective.

    Meantime, KINS had their opinion poll of the day yesterday and only 25% supported your position.

  17. Ed
    June 30, 2011 at 9:00 am

    What’s KINS?

  18. June 30, 2011 at 9:01 am

    The local version of Fox News.

  19. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 9:06 am

    25% of the conservatives who listen to KINS is HUGE!

  20. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 9:11 am

    My bet is Tyson went over this firing and the way it should be handled with Personnel, the City Attorney and stayed up all night to make sure he dotted the i’s and crossed his t’s. If nothing else, Mr Tyson is thorough. A few people besides Garr Neilson are pissy, they will get over it eventually. Linda Atkins does not relish being in the minority of the council anymore than the marginalized loud mouths on this blog. You are in the Minority for sure. Again. It sucks to be you doesn’t it.

  21. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Be nice if the city code was enforced regarding Murl & age, but the code also addresses nepotism & there were 3 Harphams at the PD at 1 time, more evidence that Tyson follows Tyson’s code, not Eureka’s.

  22. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Firing Tyson is just a bandaid. A recall of certain newly elected City Council Members would get to the root of the problem.

  23. June 30, 2011 at 9:25 am

    …Tyson went over this firing and the way it should be handled with Personnel, the City Attorney and stayed up all night to make sure he dotted the i’s and crossed his t’s.

    I’m sure he did. Management types go through training on such things. Still, there was no need for intentional humiliation.

    Unless Tyson and the rest were privy to information that would suggest them rushing Nielsen out of the building, he could have at least been afforded the respect that should have come with being the Chief of Police for four years.

  24. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I doubt the City attorney would say make him strip to his underwear in front of ya Dave

  25. High Finance
    June 30, 2011 at 9:35 am

    More hate speak against people of age ?

    The story above does seem punitive. But who wrote it ? Where does the information come from ? Is it correct ?

    You all seem to automatically accept that it is 100% true ? Why is that ?

  26. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:45 am

    P.J. nailed it. If 25% of the KINS audience is against the firing of Nielsen, that means that fully 1/4 of the local conservative base thinks it was a bad idea. No doubt the numbers are higher among middle-of-the-roaders, and much, much higher among liberals/progressives. Despite the smug posturing among their defenders, Tyson and his Gang of Four pals have much reason to be worried.

  27. Ed
    June 30, 2011 at 9:57 am

    I’ve thong about this for some time, but I’ll be brief, Tyson needs to think outside the boxers.

  28. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Ed, priceless.

  29. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 10:07 am

    This blog certainly seems more the thinking person’s place to go, as opposed to the mirror,which is just potty talk. The humor here is so much smarter. I am still laughing over the Tyson putting his sunscreen on with an icepick comment

  30. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 10:09 am

    HiFi, who could make this stuff up? Easy enough to go find out, Call Tyson and ask, or go ask Murl, Mike, Mary, anyone who was at the PD that day.

  31. Down the Road
    June 30, 2011 at 10:34 am

    David Tyson in actuality is a very weak person. His background
    is in accounting. This in no way gives him the experience to be
    a city manager. He is a very calculating person and has been
    a toady for quite a few people.

    High Finance: Did you watch his body language when he was
    vying to have his contract extended. He uses a hunched over
    subservient posture when dealing with council. He uses a
    asshole stance when dealing with outsiders that are having
    crime problems, etc.

    He uses intimidation on his fellow employees of the city.

    He has all the characteristics of a lurking window peeker.
    Look what he did to T. Hanson. I hear he has been
    accused of sexual harassment back as far as the reign
    of Nancy Fleming.

    HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED! WE NEED MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
    COUNCIL PEOPLE. NOT PEOPLE FROM ONE OF STEPHEN
    KINGS NOVELS. LINDA NOT INCLUDED IN THIS STATEMENT.

  32. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Hi Fi said: “More hate speak against people of age?”

    I’m not sure the 8:44 post counts as “hate speak,” though a comment on another thread that referred to “alzheimers and dementia” was, in my opinion, quite mean-spirited and way over-the-top. I commented to that effect and someone (presumably the same anon who posted that comment) agreed that it was inappropriate and said “I withdraw the comments.” Not quite an apology, but about as close as you’ll get on these here blog threads.

    I do agree that the Murl’s age is not the issue. From what I can tell he’s plenty mentally sharp. And making those kinds of age-related cracks is not only wrong, but probably mostly counterproductive to those who are making those comments, as it will tend to alienate senior citizens (and others) who will resent that kind of mean-spirited age-ism.

    As I have written in previous threads, I have mixed feelings about Murl, but the bottom line is he’s not responsible for Nielsen’s firing, nor will he be likely, as interim chief, to have any major, lasting effect on the way the department is run in future years.

    It will be up to the City Manager and the Council majority to find a new Chief and to set the overall direction for the EPD going forward, and up the community as a whole to give their input about those choices and then hold those decision-makers accountable if they take a path that the majority of Eurekans are dissatisfied. All the blame (or credit, depending on your point of view) for Nielsen’s firing and whatever happens next falls squarely on the shoulders of Tyson and the Council majority.

  33. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 11:16 am

    A few people besides Garr Neilson are pissy, they will get over it eventually. Linda Atkins does not relish being in the minority of the council anymore than the marginalized loud mouths on this blog. You are in the Minority for sure. Again. It sucks to be you doesn’t it.

    Linda Atkins is certainly in the minority on the City Council. But with regard to this issue of firing Nielsen, I’m not at all sure that she’s in the minority in terms of how Eureka residents in general feel about it. You seem quite confident that this is no big deal and that most Eureka residents don’t care one way or the other…but I suspect that confidence (assuming it’s real, and not just posturing) may be misplaced.

    If you’re right, then you and Tyson and the Gang of Four on the City Council have nothing to worry about…yet judging from some of the commentary from Tyson’s supporters on this blog and elsewhere, they seem to be quite worried anyway. I think the more politically astute among the supporters of Tyson and the current council majority are well aware that they’ve really stepped in a hornet’s nest with this one. Just how big that hornet’s nest is, how long the hornets remain riled up, and whether their stings are enough to take the nest-steppers down…well, we shall see.

  34. High Finance
    June 30, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Tra, one small correction to your 10.51am post.

    Yes, the blame or credit for the firing goes to Tyson and the council majority.

    The WAY it was done is squarely on Tyson’s shoulders.

  35. What Now
    June 30, 2011 at 11:46 am

    “High Finance says:
    June 30, 2011 at 8:57 am

    …..Meantime, KINS had their opinion poll of the day yesterday and only 25% supported your position.”

    WOW!
    A highly scientific poll from The Josef Goebbels Network!

    Must have been announced during the “high traffic” period of Highl;y Fried’s 5 minute spots on “Tips For Impersonating A Human Being by One Who Has Tried”.

  36. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    In the end I don’t think this was even about Garr, who had no incestuous ties or good ol boys in his pocket,just wanted to do a good job and wasn’t a “Yes” man. This was about a handful of men (if you can call them that) and their big fat egos, starting with Tyson. If this is truly the will of the community and not just a few sad power mongers, then just remember you reap what you sow.

  37. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    pattycakes seems to have a lot of time on his hands….

  38. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    pattycakes seems to have a lot of time on HIS hands….

  39. Down the Road
    June 30, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Heraldo: Please post special meeting David Tyson has called
    at city hall tomorrow at 1:00 PM. Re: The firing of G. Nielsen.

  40. June 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Pattycakes asked…who could make this stuff up?.

    I’ve been wondering just how true this is, myself. Who would make it up? Who knows, but I’ve seen at least a couple completely false statements posted here before that sounded like the person who posted them really knew what they were speaking of.

    The two that come to mind are someone commenting that Suzie Owsley was fired, or quit, from Eureka P.D. It was only a week or so later I saw Suzie driving down the street in a Eureka Police Services truck. Obviously the comment was a hoax, but it sounded like it was real.

    It might have been the same person that commented that Lou Leeper no longer worked at County Elections. A month or so later I read a news article in the Times- Standard which mentioned Lou Leeper working at Elections. Another hoax.

    Why would someone make things like that up? I have no idea, but I have considered asking Tyson himself how the firing went down.

  41. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    OK I confess, although I’m not Nielsen. I’m Suzie, and I have lot of time now. Soon I won’t even have to work at all because my buddy Murl is gonna move me back where I was. Just wait and see!

  42. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Great= a meeting when everyone is a work. Must have been afraid to wait till the next meeting on council Tuesday.

  43. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Suzy can now stop making false complaints against Garr, she got her revenge. Wish she had just opened an eating establishment with her recipes instead of getting the best police chief the town ever had run out of town.

  44. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Just listened to the John Matthews interview of Murl Harpham on KSLG. I thought it was generally a very good interview — kudos to John Matthews for hitting many of the important points and eliciting some useful responses from Murl. Here are my initial comments:

    (1) I’m glad to get some clarification on what the “restructuring” was that was mentioned on KINS yesterday. Nothing too ominous-sounding, though of course there may be more to the story and if so hopefully it will come to light soon.

    (2) Pressed by Matthews, Murl said that the decision to disband the EPD SWAT team and incorporate those officers into the County SWAT team was “a fine decision” that had worked out very well and that he had no plans to change it.

    (3) Murl was, as expected, quite defensive about the past officer-involved shootings, not giving an inch in terms of admitting that any of them might have been avoidable, or recognizing that Nielsen had done anything significant to change the liklihood of officer-involved shooting in the future.

    (4) Murl did give Nielsen credit for expanding the work with Mental Health and for a couple of other things, and was careful not to bad-mouth Nielsen in general, stating that he thought Nielsen had “done some good things” during his tenure. But it seemed like Murl didn’t want to acknowledge any previous problems in the EPD’s attitude or responsiveness, or to acknowledge Nielsen’s role in improving the relationship between the EPD and Eureka residents. Murl cited one rather exaggerated version of the complaints from the Westside, saying that one person said the dispatcher told her they wouldn’t come out there because it was “too dangerous.” I don’t know if someone said that or not, but that was not the gist of most of the complaints from the Westside, which had more to do with failure to respond in a timely matter and failure to follow up on neighborhood problems, and sometimes a dismissive attitude on the part of the dispatchers.

    (5) Murl’s most substantive-sounding critique of Nielsen’s management style was that he was quite critical of what he perceived as failure to use the “chain of command” model, and that, according to Murl, people misused Nielsen’s “open door policy” to inappropriately go over the heads of their supervisors and straight to the chief, leading to perceptions of favoritism (and perhaps actual favoritism, though Murl stopped short of accusing Nielsen of that).

    I do wish John Matthews had followed up on one point, regarding the “chain of command” discussion. While I think it’s a valid concern about the possibility of people misusing the “open door policy” to circumvent the chain of command, and the risk of favoritism that could entail, there is one situation that Murl didn’t address, and I guess John didn’t think to ask about: If an officer is having a problem with those mid-level supervisors who are situated between that officer and the chief in the chain of command, isn’t it appropriate for that officer to step outside the chin of command and go straight to the chief?

    Otherwise that officer is in the position of complaining about a superior officer…to that superior officer or to their peers. It seems to me that in such a case, it would be necessary to “jump” the chain of command and go straight to the chief or straight to some other higher-up officer in the chain of command. Perhaps that sort of thing is a normal part of the concept of “chain of command” and that’s why it wasn’t mentioned? Anyway, that’s what sprang to mind when Murl said that he had an “open door policy” but only for personal problems, to discuss the weather or sports or something like that. So it would have been reassuring to hear Murl clarify what an officer is supposed to do if they are having problems with the person or persons who are above them in the chain of command.

  45. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Hi Fi said: The WAY it was done is squarely on Tyson’s shoulders.

    Good point.

  46. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Why is Jager able to call a special meeting due to the outrage over Nielsen’s firing but LaValley couldn’t over the outrage over the police related deaths when he was mayor?

    http://www.times-standard.com/ci_18384362

  47. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Chain of command. The old way was why the place was so screwed up. If a cop wants to complain about a superior he is fucked. Hence, the whole department does not do a good job and the poor cop is demoralized. No wonder the cops don’t stay.

  48. skippy
    June 30, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    A hat and kudo tip to Plain Jane for noting the Times-Standard article above @12:34. The relevant portion for readers is here:

    ‘Eureka Calls Special Meeting to Approve Nielsen Firing’
    “With 25 hours notice, the city of Eureka has called a special closed session meeting at which the council is expected to consider approving the firing of former Police Chief Garr Nielsen.

    “Two items are agendized for the meeting – called at the request of Mayor Frank Jager, according to City Manager David Tyson. The council is slated to discuss the “discipline/dismissal/release” of a public employee, pertaining to Nielsen, and the employment of a police chief, which Tyson said concerns the council deciding on whether to approve the appointment of Capt. Murl Harpham as EPD’s interim chief.

    The meeting is scheduled for 1 p.m. Friday, with an opportunity for public comment prior to the council’s adjourning to discuss the agendized items behind closed doors. Any final actions will have to be publicly announced at the meeting’s conclusion.”

  49. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Garr wanted to show his skivvies… it wasn’t humiliation, it was intimidation.

  50. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    another sick F— shows his coiors. I bet Garr can hardly wait to see this city in his rearview mirror.

  51. Not A Native
    June 30, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    FWIW has everyone read Garr Nielsen’s TS Opinion piece?

    I’m surprised not to have seen mention of it by H., did I overlook it?

  52. Anon
    June 30, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Nielsen may not have his job anymore, which he probably realizes isn’t a bad thing, but he sure has it over Tyson in the class & maturity department.

  53. June 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    And this TS letter from Howard Rein:

    Perhaps it’s time to clean up the city charter
    http://www.times-standard.com/guest_opinion/ci_18375433

  54. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    This was Tyson’s only chance to see what a REAL MAN has in his undies.

  55. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    The measure of a “REAL MAN” is not located in their undies…

  56. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    What’s the source for this self-serving timeline? Oh, right; never mind.

  57. 69er
    July 1, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Surprised that no one has ever heard of a grievance procedure that is I am sure in the rules and regs of EPD. The grievance procedure is the proper avenue to take when there is a problem that cannot be settled by way of discussion with a fellow worker or an immediate superior. It is submitted in written form and forwarded through the chain of command right to the top if necessary.I would also be very surprised if EPD does not have this procedure available.

  58. Fed warrant
    July 1, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Standard protocol friends. Avoids lawsuits against the city. Can’t have people wearing police uniforms who are not police. It’s called “impersonating a police officer”. Can’t have loose firearms owned by the police department in the possession of civilians, now can we?

    Lay off the bong, go outside and take a deep breath.

  59. July 1, 2011 at 9:53 am

    God!, you guys are all idiots! move the hell on. lets get a new police cheif that is planning on staying in the area. just move the hell on. this is pathetic. put all of your effort into something productive.

  60. High Finance
    July 2, 2011 at 9:31 am

    And now the truth comes out.

    One speaker yesterday spoke about how, when he worked for a newspaper, any story had to be sourced three times. He spoke against the blogs who show no responsibility or decency by not verifying any thing. The speaker even mentioned Plain Jane by name.

    The above story is now shown to be an outright lie. Tyson did not give Neilsen 5 minutes, he told Nielsen he had all the time he wanted.

    Tyson did not demand the Chiefs uniform & demand he change clothes while he watched. It was the Chief’s decision to turn in his uniform right then.

    You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

  61. skippy
    July 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    As Hi-Fi noted, the Times-Standard’s Thadeus Greenson reported,

    “Some speakers also criticized the way Nielsen’s firing was handled. Nielsen told the Times-Standard after his firing that Tyson gave him about five minutes to collect some of his personal belongings, change into street clothes and turn in his uniform and other city-owned items before Tyson escorted him from EPD headquarters.

    “Before Friday’s meeting, Tyson disputed that characterization — and other reports — saying he gave Nielsen as much time as he needed. He said it was Nielsen who insisted on immediately turning over his uniform.

    ”’We were very sensitive to what was going on,’ Tyson said. ‘It was a very emotional moment for him, I’m sure, as it was for me. And we treated him with the dignity he deserved.’”

    Supporters and detractors alike may disagree; this is the news as reported, one side of the story. Ex- Chief Nielsen didn’t note any inappropriate pecularities to the contrary in his recent KSLG interview.

  62. July 2, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Who ya gonna believe? On the one side is a man who has done immeasurable good for our police department, helping to bring it into the 21st century and vastly improving service levels to the public. This man was accused of many wrongdoings but completely exhonorated by a Grand Jury investigation.
    On the other hand is a man who has been here so long he has strings to special interest groups all over his body. He does not live in the city (Cutten). And he has been very busy pissing our Measure O money down a rathole with his indiscretions, resulting lawsuits, and contract buyouts resulting from his ‘revenge’.
    Now, who ya gonna believe?
    It’s time to go, Dave!

  63. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    As Plain Jane noted on the “SURPRISE…” thread:

    “Nielsen said Tyson walked into his office Friday morning and provided him with the notice of termination. Nielsen said he was given about five minutes to collect some of his personal belongings, change into street clothes and turn in his uniform. He said Tyson then escorted him from the building.”

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18352249

    So from the two different articles in the Times-Standard, we have two very different accounts of how it went down — basically Tyson’s word versus Nielsen’s word.

    But I will also note that, as I stated on that thread:

    I’ve seen no source or quote to back up Heraldo’s implication that Tyson “likes to see his employees undergarments” or that Tyson was even watching the chief as he changed, much less “gawking” at the Chief in his underwear.

    I have seen nothing that backs up the assertion that that Nielsen was forced to disrobe in Tyson’s presence, that Tyson insisted on remaining in the room while Nielsen changed clothes, or that Nielsen requested privacy while he changed and was denied that privacy.

    So I think it’s fair to criticize that part of this post, to the extent that the headline and content seemed to be aimed at portraying Tyson as having an unhealthy interest in seeing the Chief in his underwear, though no source was cited to back up that claim.

  64. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:28 am

    And Tra, I also will repeat what I posted in that thread;

    Mouse, you are welcomed to read this also in case you want to think today

    Nielsen was interviewed within hours of being fired. It is only human nature to think he was very bitter about being fired much less by being fired by someone he personally dislikes. Any of us would be forgiven for wanting revenge and it is only logical to think he would exaggerate the situation.

    Other details in the story Heraldo posted above are obviously fabricated and would never have been printed in a responsible news source. When some details are obvious lies it cast doubt upon the rest of the story.

  65. Auntie Arkley
    July 4, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Tyson, Harpham, Jager, Brady, Newman, Madsen, and Ciarabellini are all low-life, piece-of-shit, scumbags. They all need to leave office (if not the planet) ASAP.

  66. High Finance Say's
    July 4, 2011 at 11:00 am

    You are all right I am one of the biggest assholes in Eureka. Please excuse me for a moment while go kiss Tyson’s ass some more.

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