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SURPRISE! Special Eureka City Council meeting Friday

UPDATE: Here’s the meeting video.

Rather than deal with the controversial firing of Eureka Police Chief Garr Nielsen at its regular meeting next week, the city council is opting for a quieter affair while y’all are at work.

The council will meet at 1:00 Friday afternoon for a closed session on the firing. There will be a chance for public comment if you hear about it in time and have no previous obligations during working hours.

Agenda: http://www.ci.eureka.ca.gov/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=7298

  1. June 30, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Just in time to make a complete mockery of Representative Government as the 4th approaches, eh?

  2. June 30, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Dave makes another special effort to include the community.

  3. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    An attempt to short circuit the petition drive Saturday.

  4. June 30, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    The only “Petition Drive” should be for Recall of four Eureka City Council members. At least you can respect David Tyson and Murl Harpham, they are honest about who they are and what they stand for. Tyson’s relationship to the majority of the Council is, as it always has been, like that of Charles Colson and G. Gordon Liddy to Richard Nixon, he does their bidding.

  5. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    So why are they having a closed door meeting to approve the firing, Terry? He anticipates their bidding and gets approval after the fact?

  6. June 30, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Just a strategy meeting, Jane, to map out the P.R.. Dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s for the record.

  7. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    So when did the council tell Tyson to fire Nielsen, Terry? Atkins attended the Tuesday closed session and she didn’t know about it. Who made the decision and why is the council voting on it after the fact? Will the vote be made public?

  8. June 30, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    While news of Nielsen’s firing came as a shock to many, council members said they were not surprised and confirmed the matter had been addressed during closed session Tuesday.
    –Times-Standard, June 25, 2011

    But enough time wasted taking the bait.

  9. Ed
    June 30, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Expect the council to feign concern that their plan to fire the chief was carried out in poor taste. Tyson may end up being a wealthy fall guy for the sake of political expediency. It will be interesting to see if a new chief is already in the wings.

  10. June 30, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    He is – Dave Parris.

  11. Anon
    June 30, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    The chief being fired and the less-than-professional manner in which it was carried out are done. Can’t change it.
    What must change is back room, closed door politicking that Tyson has engaged in since day 1. Tomorrow may or may not provide answers as to those on the council in favor of this, and where the money is coming from. That should be a starting point for the community demanding accountability and transparency.

  12. Not A Native
    June 30, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Klaxons go off! Damage Control, Damage Control. Report !!

    Of course, Nielsen is replaceable, there’s no reason for a ‘cult’ surrounding his tenure, demanding his reinstatement. He’s gone. The political question is fairness, due process, and public consultation and participation.

    All eyes turn to Eureka residents, looking to see whether they’re like a Wildebeest herd after a lion attack, calmly going back to their grazing, jostling for a better little patch of grass. Being folk who feel petitioning their Government is ‘scary’ so don’t confront ‘the powers that be’.

  13. June 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    According to the T-S website: “The council is slated to discuss the ‘discipline/dismissal/release’ of a public employee”.

    That’s fascinating phrasing for a dismissal without cause, don’t you agree? It does a wonderful job of implying that there was a discipline issue, without coming out and saying it. After all, discipline is just one part of a three-word slash-connected composition. They could as easily have said the “murder/kidnapping/dismissal” of a public employee, and we’d be none the wiser.

    I don’t live in Eureka, so for me it’s mainly just amazing theatre. Still, what amazing theatre it is. It’s rare to see villains played this well.

  14. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    I’m sure they will watch their words carefully. If there is mention of discipline issues or any other reason for the chief’s dismissal, wouldn’t his attorneys would be all over it?

  15. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Except Linda Atkins didn’t know there was a decision to fire Nielsen, Terry. A sentence in the T-S saying, “Council members (unnamed) said the decision to fire Nielsen was discussed in closed session at a Eureka City Council meeting on Tuesday, but was not voted on by the council.” But they also said, “On Tuesday, the council discussed Nielsen’s contract in closed session but reported no final actions.” Linda Atkins didn’t know Nielsen was going to be fired. Wasn’t she at the same meeting? And the T-S also reported, “Tyson said the council will confirm Harpham’s appointment to the interim police chief position at its next meeting,” so why the emergency meeting?

  16. June 30, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I suspect that the council at least mentioned ‘firing’ which Tyson construed as permission to do what his vengeful little self wanted to do for a long time. Now, to avoid a Brown Act violation, the council is meeting again in secret to redo what they did wrong the first time to cover both their and Tyson’s ASSES. Corruption, thy name is Council. And your nickname is Tyson.

  17. June 30, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    What Linda did and did not know puts her in a tough spot. She cannot divulge what was discussed at Closed Session or the pack of hyenas will descend like flies. She must be very careful with her words about what occurred at that meeting.

    That doesn’t prevent her from being very angry and trying to do something about the root of the problem (Tyson). Tyson and 4/5ths of the Council are going to great lengths to hide or confuse their actions lest they incurr that dreaded word, “RECALL”. It’s time to get the petitions ready.
    And it’s time to go, Dave!

  18. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    I think you mean Satan, not corruption.

  19. Plain Jane
    June 30, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    I hope they release the result of the vote, if not the details it was based on, so we can be crystal clear on each council member’s vote.

  20. Not Kool-Aid Drinking Heraldoite
    June 30, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Linda Atkins, you have such short memory.

    2006 election results:
    Larry Glass 49.8%
    Mary Beth Wolford 42.9%
    Tish Wilburn 7.1%

    So that means Larry Glass was also elected with less than a majority of voters. Yet he thought that he alone was running the city.

    Glass comments on the NCJ blog video, “I stopped Tyson from firing the chief many times myself.”

    Really? Yourself? I always thought that you had to have a majority of the council voting to direct the city manager. I stand corrected Larry. You ran the city all by yourself.

    There were only 80 people present at the Tuesday’s night Veterans Hall community forum.

    99% of these people voted for Bonnie Neely and Larry Glass.

    60 of these people were the usual suspects of radical lefties. So now we know who we are dealing with.

    Not a lot of “average citizens” there.

    In reality, if the local radicals were to conduct a poll on the firing of the police chief, they would find:

    50% of the voters would say, “Huh? The police chief was fired?”

    25% would say, “Good riddance.”

    24.9% would say, “Yeah, so. How does this affect my pocketbook?”

    0.1% would say, “As soon as I’m done posting on Heraldo I need to walk door-to-door with a petition to fire the city manager and recall the other four members of the city
    council.”

    Linda, get 3,000 signatures of registered voters by Tuesday and I’ll be impressed. Otherwise you just ended your political career. You can join Dave Meserve and Larry Glass as the “one and done” angry politicians.

    BTW – how many signatures did you get for the true ward system?

    I do agree with Linda on one subject – elections.

    In 2010 the voters did elect people that listen to the people of Eureka.

    The voters fired Bonnie Neely and Larry Glass.

    Don’t know who is giving your side political advice, but all I can say is keep it up. I’ve never seen such Regressive arrogance leading to such stupid decisions in my life.

    I know the politically astute supporters of the current Council majority are quite a confident in the majority (4-1) of City Councils’ decision.

    And for the record:
    Marian Brady – Democrat
    Melinda Ciarabellini – Democrat
    Mike Newman – Declines to state

    Not that any of this matters in our non-partisan elections.

    Never let the truth get in the way of a blog post.

    Back to the kool-aid Heraldoites.

  21. Dancing
    June 30, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Stop complaining about the meeting being held during business hours. Few of the Heraldo whiners have jobs anyway. The meeting time more negatively impacts the tax paying “conservatives” you rail against.

  22. The Monitor
    June 30, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Fired in poor taste is the understatement of the year. The method was insulting, and then the newman said it cleansed the department of a cancer. Are these people that out of touch? The chief was hired to get rid of a cancer as I remember it. How many police shootings before he arrived? The lack of leadership and poor management style are problems that are directly related to the city manager, not the other way around. Let alone all the costs he has brought to the city, a $250,000 lawsuit and over $100,000 severance to the Chief. Talk about spin doctoring! Now they are going to sweep it under the rug and shut out any public comment from the people who work on Friday afternoon. Pretty slick even for weasels. Hey maestro , this is really low, even for you.

  23. Joel Mielke
    June 30, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “Not Kool-Aid Drinking Heraldoite” is drinking something.

  24. June 30, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    The council members likely violated the Brown Act, so by holding this announced meeting it will serve to correct the previous action taken, which circumvented the requirements of the Brown Act.

  25. eurekite
    June 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    The astroturfers shouldn’t even bother this time. This is not a ruse, it’s plain on its face.

  26. Down the Road
    June 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Guess what Kool-Aid whatever. Apparently you don’t read
    contract law. All your figures and jabberwocky are not going to
    mean anything in a court of law. Garr Nielsen has a hell of a
    case. His at will contract with the city is illegal.

    Tell me Koo-lAid whatever isn’t your other name Matthew Owen,
    and aren’t you and yours a little worried.

  27. June 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Thanks for letting me share this with my am listeners.

  28. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Easy there, DTR.
    Kool-Aide provides facts, and you provide…GN’s “at will contract with the city is illegal”

    On what basis? You don’t think this hasn’t been vetted by attorneys every step of the way? Keep on slinging though, it’s cute.

  29. guest@gmail.com
    June 30, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Easy there, DTR.
    Kool-Aide provides facts, and you provide…GN’s “at will contract with the city is illegal”

    On what basis? You don’t think this hasn’t been vetted by attorneys every step of the way? Keep on slinging though, it’s cute.

  30. guest@gmail.com
    June 30, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Oh, and one other thing. NonKoolAide’s post made me go back to the HumCo election website, and it looks like Larry Glass lost in every precinct. So whoever has said (and it’s been said here) that Larry won in his own ward is incorrect.

  31. prahba
    June 30, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    MATT OWEN: Serial Stalker?
    Has anybody noticed that at a recent Nielson forum, at the Redwood Acres local dinner, and at HCDCC meetings there is this metro-sexual looking guy in dark glasses and blue blazer either taking notes or playing with his phone? Why, it’s Matt Owen, Serial Stalker! He neither chats, nor interacts, but just stays in the background, looking ominous, like an FBI informant. He is truly creepy. What is wrong with this person? Doesn’t he understand we see him doing his stalking act and just shrug and look away. He needs to get a grip and then get a clue.

  32. Walt
    June 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Hell, it works for Turd Blossom. Why not here?

  33. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Now we’re seeing some desperate attempts at damage control by supporters of Tyson and the Gang of Four. For people who claim to be confident that their views are in majority, they sure are running scared.

    I think many of them realize that their heros have really screwed up in the eyes of many Eureka residents. Will their efforts at damage control, plus a certain amount of voter apathy, be enough to save their skins? Time will tell.

  34. Joel Mielke
    June 30, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    “He is truly creepy.”

    What’s “truly creepy” is some anonymous hand-wringer obsessing over someone who shows up at public events.

  35. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Richard Salzman will this last minute meeting get them off the hook on breaking the Brown Act if it goes to court?

  36. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Not Kool-Aid Drinking Heraldoite:
    You’re wasting your time. The handful of regulars here look at facts the way chickens look at a leaf blower.

  37. Walt
    June 30, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    The problem with the Brown Act is that it has no teeth. Absent shame there is no penalty for breaking the law.

  38. prahba
    June 30, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Joel, it is Matt Owen’s behavior at these events that I find disturbing. I have seen him at numerous events where he assiduously avoids conversation or interaction with anyone. He constantly takes notes of if he is conducting covert surveillance. That is creepy.

  39. funnygirl
    June 30, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Personel matters cannot be discussed in public. That is the law regarding public at-will employees. Like it or not, that’s how it is. It will not, cannot be discussed. Get over it. He is gone. And all 65 HH posters cannot, will not get rid of Tyson. He is not the ogre you paint him out to be.

  40. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Joel, it is Matt Owen’s behavior at these events that I find disturbing. I have seen him at numerous events where he assiduously avoids conversation or interaction with anyone. He constantly takes notes of if he is conducting covert surveillance. That is creepy.

    If you and so many other people note his presence, then there’s nothing “covert” about his “surveillance.”

    Look, I’ll admit that on a “gut” level I, too, find the kind of behavior you describe as perhaps a bit “creepy” — but you won’t find the “right not to be creeped out” anywhere in the Constitution. If you hold a public meeting, then anyone who wants to attend and take notes on what is being said is certainly free to do so, and they are under no obligation to engage with or converse with anyone there if they don’t want to (not to mention the fact that apparently some folks only try to “engage” Mr. Owens by yelling at him or berating him, which is not likely to result in a very pleasant conversation anyway, so Mr. Owens may have learned through hard experience that he’s better off just being an observer in some of these meetings). By the way, if you find yourself saying something in a public meeting that you don’t want someone to be taking notes on, then perhaps you should re-think what it is that you are saying.

    And I don’t know whether this is the norm arond here or not, but it is quite standard procedure in modern political campaigns for each side to assign at least one “tracker” to attend all public events that the other campaign holds, in order to see what the candidate and their supporters are saying about the issues, their opponent, and so on. Often these trackers will use a video camera to capture footage of any speeches, with the idea of making sure that the opposing candidate isn’t saying contradictory to different audiences in an attempt to pander to various groups. You may recall the candidate for U.S. Senate whose campaign imploded when he agressivelyu went after one of those trackers with a tirade of verbal abuse, famously referring to the guy as “maccaca,” which turned out to be a rather nasty (if a bit obscure) racial slur.

    Anyway, you can approve of the “tracker” thing, or disapprove of it, but there is nothing particularly unusual about it. The only thing that seems a bit surprising in this case is that Mr. Owens chooses to do this work himself, rather than farming it out to some underling as is usually the case (and in which case you probably wouldn’t even know it was happening). I suppose that’s mostly because in a city as small as Eureka, there are few enough events and they are close enough geographically that Mr. Owens can do it himself easily enough. Plus, he may actually be curious what people in the community have to say, even if he doesn’t agree with them. And yes, that may chiefly be for the purpose of more effectively crafting a message to counter their point of view, but there isn’t necessarily anything underhanded or nefarious about that…it’s just smart political communication strategy.

  41. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    all 65 HH posters cannot, will not get rid of Tyson.

    But Eureka voters can — by electing different people to the City Council, whether in a recall election or in the next regular election.

    So the rather desperate-sounding spin that basically amounts to “you’re all powerless, so why don’t you quit even trying and just go home” suggests to me that supporters of Tyson and the current City Council majority are, despite their protestations to the contrary, actually getting a bit worried.

  42. Goldie
    June 30, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    One of the things that Mr. Owens concerns himself with is WHO is saying something. There are people who are unwilling at this time to show up because of the retalitory nature of Mr. Owen’s friends.

  43. prahba
    June 30, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Tra, I did not say I had a constitution right not to be bothered by creepy. Nor do I mind having the opinions I discuss in public noted. But I do have a right to feel that certain behaviors are abnormal. On the occasions where I have observed this behavior include meet and greets, and numerous “social” functions where one would not expect this kind of behavior. Perhaps at political events he may be “tracking”, but to extend this to other functions takes “tracking” to a whole new level. Goldie notes that perhaps list are being kept of individuals that do not hold the same persuasion as the “ruling” party.

  44. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Personel matters cannot be discussed in public

    The City Council members cannot divulge what was discussed in closed session, or state a specific reason for the firing — that much is true. But they can, if they choose, state whether, in general, they approve or disapprove of Tyson’s action in firing Nielsen, as several already have (Atkins has stated very clearly that she was against the firing, Brady and Madsen have said they supported Tyson’s action, Newman waffled a bit and then punted, and Ciarabellini flatly declined to comment).

    Counil members are also free to comment on whether they think that Nielsen was or was not doing a good job in general, and they can also tell us if they think he made mistakes in certain areas or did certain things particularly well. They just can’t say “he was fired because of ______,” because as a matter of law he was fired “without cause” and if they state that his was fired for a reason more specific than “management differences,” that could get them in trouble. I’m not 100% clear on whether the Council members are free to discuss whether they approve of the manner in which he was fired, but I suspect that they probably are, as long as they take care not to touch on the “cause” of the firing.

    Perhaps most importantly, they can also comment as much as they want (as can the public) on which of Nielsen’s policies and reforms they want to see continued and which they would like to see changed.

    So there is, indeed, a lot that can be talked about, and should be talked about. Some may want to keep as quiet as possible and try to sweep the whole thing under the rug using the line “it’s a personnel matter” to answer every question. But if they use that as an excuse to avoid any of the permissable topics of discussion, including the ones I just named above, then that will be quite revealing as well, and that kind of unnecessary avoidance and obfuscation will not go over well with the public.

    Finally, members of the public are not bound by the rules about not commenting on personnel matters, so the rest of us are free to share our opinions about what we suspect are some of the specific reasons that Tyson chose to fire Nielsen, and why he chose to do so in such a ridiculous and demeaning manner.

  45. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    One of the things that Mr. Owens concerns himself with is WHO is saying something. There are people who are unwilling at this time to show up because of the retalitory nature of Mr. Owen’s friends

    Well, if true, that’s a shame, but it’s unavoidable if what we’re talking about is a public meeting. You can’t say, “all members of the public are welcome to attend…except those whose friends I’m afraid of.”

    If you want to have a private meeting, by invitation only, or a meeting that’s open only to members of a private group, you are free to do that. Otherwise, you’re going to have to deal with not only the pros but also the cons of freedom of assembly. (And yes, potentially relevant puns on the words “pros” and “cons” duly noted!)

  46. funnygirl
    June 30, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    What don’t you understand about “Cannot discuss”? And all 65 of you cannot do much. That was apparent in the last election. I am not a defender of anything in Eureka since I haven’t lived there for over two decades. As in Don’t Care. About Tyson, about Garr, about the politics, as divisive as you are trying desperately to make it all. Sheesh. Go watch a Crabs game or take your kids to the beach clamming. Enjoy what you all talk about– the Redwood experience, not this slamming somebody else you don’t agree with.

  47. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    But I do have a right to feel that certain behaviors are abnormal.

    Yes you do, and if I seemed to imply that you didn’t have a right to your opinion about the behavior, I apologize for giving that impression. Similarly, Joel has a right to his opinion that your taking the time to comment about it on this blog constitutes “abnormal behavior,” namely “obsessing.” Personally I tend to think “normality” is a bit overrated, but that’s just my opinion. I’m also of the opinion that my taking the time to respond to all of this in such detail probably constitutes “abnormal behavior” on my part!

    On the occasions where I have observed this behavior include meet and greets, and numerous “social” functions where one would not expect this kind of behavior. Perhaps at political events he may be “tracking”, but to extend this to other functions takes “tracking” to a whole new level.

    That does seem a bit odd, to say the least. I haven’t been to any of these sorts of social events where I saw him or anyone else taking notes or anyone avoiding normal conversation and interaction (other than those who are just socially awkward), but I assume you’re not just making it up. Still, if it’s not a political-type event, I’m not sure what the point of the note-taking would be, or who would be retaliated against, and for what. I guess that’s probably part of why you find it “creepy.”

  48. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    But to the immediate case of this recent public forum about the firing of the police chief, Owens was well within his rights to be there, to observe, and to take notes. It was within Larry Glass’s rights to call him out by name and identify him as a supporter of Tyson, though his doping so did come off (at least to me) as kind of mean-spirited and petty while at the same time inflating Owen’s importance and potentially exacerbating any reservations that members of the crowd might have had about speaking up, thereby creating a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy in terms of intimidation. But I suppose Glass pointing Owens out served a purpose as far as providing “fair warning” to folks that thjey might want to be mindful of what they said if they said it to him (Owens) or within his earshot.

  49. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    What don’t you understand about “Cannot discuss”?

    Well for starters, I don’t understand why you seem to think that covers everything, whereas as a matter of law it only covers a very narrow area. Council members have already “discussed” it some, Tyson “discussed” it when he said that it was due to “management differences” and when he said that everything he has done is within his authority. Murl Harpham “discussed” what he liked and didn’t like about Nielsen’s tenure. And members of the public can discuss whatever we damn well choose, no matter home many times you smugly assure us that we can’t, and that if we do it will make no difference.

    And all 65 of you cannot do much. That was apparent in the last election.

    It’s not about those who comment on this blog, nor is it about the last election. It’s about Eureka voters, and what they want to do in the next election, and apparently there’s a lot of fear among supporters of the current council majority about how this decison to fire Nielsen will impact that next election — otherwise people wouldn’t be trying so desperately to tell others what they supposedly can’t say and can’t do.

    I am not a defender of anything in Eureka since I haven’t lived there for over two decades. As in Don’t Care. About Tyson, about Garr, about the politics

    For someone who doesn’t care, you sure do have some pretty strong opinions and a perhaps unhealthy need to tell others what they shouldn’t care about.

    Sheesh. Go watch a Crabs game or take your kids to the beach clamming. Enjoy what you all talk about– the Redwood experience, not this slamming somebody else you don’t agree with.

    Physician: Heal thyself.

  50. The Monitor
    June 30, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    How many of you will show on Fri. afternoon?

  51. Sinclair Lewis
    June 30, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Its tough to rouse the Eureka electorate. Even killing of zoo bears, which caused the greatest public outrage in my memory, didn’t result in firing of the City Manager. Or even much beyond transient annoyance to the Manager and to those who pulled his strings. And killing bears wasn’t nearly the worst that was going on.

    Canning the police chief is way down the list of things that will cause widespread public outrage. Sorry, but I suspect this issue doesn’t have legs.

    I’ve never seen firing the City Manager serve as the basis for a winning campaign. I say, find some attractive candidates for next time, and fund them well, if you don’t like this current group. Start now. Absent clear criminal wrongdoing, Eurekans are probably stuck with this bunch for a while.

  52. tra
    June 30, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    I’ll be working, like many others, but I suspect there will still be quite a few who do show. Not as many as would be there for an evening meeting, rather than Friday afternoon on the day before the 4th of July weekend.

    Naturally if the turnout is anything short of standing-room-only supporters of Tyson and the Gang of Four will claim that as a sign that nobody cares. On the other hand, if there is a huge turnout despite the meeting being held during work hours they’ll complain that those who came must not have jobs and are just a bunch of activists, professional politicos and “the usual suspects.”

    But what we should all remember is that we can come, en masse to the next regularly scheduled city council meeting (Tuesday evening, I believe) and address them during the public comment period there, whether they like it or not.

    The best thing would be if both meetings — tomorrow AND next Tuesday — were well-attended and if plenty of people share their feelings about the fact that Nielsen was fired, about the WAY he was fired, about the positive changes that were made during his tenure, and about how we are not willing to see those changes eroded and so on.

  53. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    funnyfgirl, you ARE funny. What the hell are you doing reading a blog from a city you haven’t lived in for “over 2 decades” and don’t care about?

  54. pattycakes
    June 30, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    And the Wizard of Oz plays out in Eureka:

    Tyson as the Wizard pulling the strings, but also with a dual role as the Wicked Witch (picture him saying, ” I’ll get you, my pretty!” to Hansen), city council men as the scarecrow, tin man and cowardly lion, Matt, Murl, Suzie, DD, Pam and the rest of them are the flying monkeys. And a cameo by DD as the witch who had the house smash her flat.

  55. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Are the bullets flying around your house yet?

  56. Anonymous
    June 30, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Funnygirl you haven’t lived around here for 20 years so you don’t give a shit. Isn’t that sweet. What a selfish bitch you are. I hope karma will bring prostitutes and drug dealers into your neighborhood. Then you can go to the police and get the runaround for years while the drug houses fester. May the prostitutes proposition you and your family. You go watch a Crabs game. Better yet, may you get crabs.

  57. Suzy Q
    June 30, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Not Kool-Aid Drinking Heraldoite = Matthew Owen = e-towns karl rove
    Matthew you can call yourself what ever you want, Republican, Democrat, Tweeker, whatever, just stop stalking us or we’ll pull your pants down next time.

  58. The Monitor
    June 30, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Arrogance of power, what do you expect. Then Merl will take us back to the good old days. I can hardly wait for the fireworks in the streets. I don’t know about the koolade but sugar plum fairies can’t be too far behind. Let the parade begin.

  59. Plain Jane
    July 1, 2011 at 6:11 am

    Times-Standard editorial:

    Special Meeting a Disappointing Call

    http://www.times-standard.com/opinion/ci_18387655

  60. Ed
    July 1, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Will it be televised?

  61. SmokeMonster
    July 1, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Owens cares about his community,but was one of the first to tell the judge he couldn’t serve on jury duty,due to being a consultant. Honorable

  62. Ed
    July 1, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Hey, I consult.

  63. Who Cares
    July 1, 2011 at 7:57 am

    remind me of another special meeting called with about the same lenght of notice by a council person to approve garr’s contract on a Friday…duh, what short memories…seesm like both teams have a dog in this one…

  64. Anonymous
    July 1, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Not Kool-Aid Drinking Heraldoite (4:00) is anxious to remind us that Marian Brady is a Democrat and that Mike Newman declines to state (oh my God, he’s not a Republican?), but in the real world actions are more important than words. It’s unlikely that Rob Arkley was crushed on election day because a gaggle of Dems were now on the City Council.

  65. High Finance
    July 1, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Oh goodie, the NINTH Nielsen topic in the last eight days ! Where’s the popcorn ? So much misinformation in just 19 hours, where do I begin ?

    – The city council does not fire the police chief, the city manager does. There was no vote by the council the other day but I suspect Tyson told them of what he was thinking. So PJ, they should not be releasing any “vote results” by the council.

    -Mitch “discipline/dismissal/release of a public employee” is a required legal term to describe what might happen in closed session anytime personnel issues are discussed.

    – Mouse. The closed session would be normal for any city manager to inform a council of what was done instead of all the uninformed rumors in the media & blogs.

    – Not Kool-Aid Drinking. I suspect a real poll would say something like — 25% Good. 24% Bad and 51% would say “I need to remember to get briquets for Monday”.

    – Dancing. You made a good point. The council erred by having the meeting today at 1pm. Conservatives will all be at work and unable to attend. The liberals will pack the room, all 65 of them. This will allow the obsessives at the Humboldt Herald claim, once again, to speak for all of Eureka which of course they don’t.

  66. July 1, 2011 at 8:49 am

    How do you know there was no vote? Newman told the Journal there was indeed a vote during closed session. Why did they fail to report it?

  67. High Finance
    July 1, 2011 at 8:56 am

    More disinformation to correct.

    Salzman. You fully know well the Brown Act was not violated you are intentionally spreading this charge falsely.

    Down The Road. Where did you get your law degree from ?

    Guest@gmail.com/ That is amazing! Marian Brady beat Glass in every precinct including the West Side !!

    Prahba. Did you ever think that Matt Owen is at those meetings so he can understand the thinking of the radical left ? Isn’t more understanding a good thing ? And as Tra pointed out, his non interaction is a self protective method for him because he does not want confrontation. In fact, doesn’t Larry Glass’s looney action at the recent meeting prove Owen is right ?

    Goldie, can you name one single person who was retalitated against because of anything said at one of these meetings, ever ??

  68. Anonymous
    July 1, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Here’s another touch of reality HiFi

    Mike Newman (sp?) got substantially less than 50% of the vote last fall. For that matter Larry Glass was just under 50% when he got elected. Brady got voted in because she had an issue (MC Now!) and a fired up base. This and past Eureka elections tells me that a whole new slate could easily be elected next go round, especially if the liberal base is fired up and they play it smart and put all their efforts behind one candidate. If you think this is just 65 people then you didn’t add the results of the Kuhnel and Mann vote last fall (they collectively beat Newman) and you have misread Eureka demographics .
    In some ways the firing of Garr may be the best thing that ever happened to the progs – they are fired up, have an issue, and are organizing well before any elections. We may just see a new steamroller next go around when the job situation will be about the same and the cyclone fence at the Balloon Track will still be in place.

  69. High Finance
    July 1, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I know there was no vote Heraldo, because Linda Atkins said so.

    My guess is that Newman confused a general consensus with a formal vote.

  70. July 1, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Newman is confused alright. It’s apparent every time he opens his mouth.

  71. Crime rate
    July 1, 2011 at 9:34 am

    The crime rate did not significantly change with Nielsen in charge. Rape and petty theft dropped but the remainder of crimes went on as usual.

    POP is supposed to disperse problem crimes such as robbery and assault by “diffusion benefits.” If petty theft rises while robberies go down, that’s good from a safety perspective. In Eureka’s case, robberies and assaults are still occurring at the same level. Random patrols is no worse than problem-solving tactic if problem crimes don’t slow and disperse.

    I don’t mean to imply that the crime rate is Nielsen’s fault, but it is no big surprise that he is out when we consider that some of his people are unhappy combined with crime stats not improving on paper.

    The city manager is supposed to be out at the non-profit events talking to the people about the city, not telling everyone what decisions he is making at formal meetings. It should be obvious to those who support Tyson why some people are upset given that he isn’t doing the same job that other city managers do.

    The root of the problem is Eureka’s lack of employment opportunity. The crime rate has everything to do with jobs disappearing. The people can fix the city if they open up to opportunity. Instead, people focus their energy on individual political issues based on political ideologies. No amount of political good intentions will slow crime when there is not enough legal income to go around.

    Examine any city and see how their crime rate compares to teir unemployment rate, average salary, and cost of living. Eureka could have robocop patrolling and crime would still be rampant without job creation.nt on as usual.

    POP is supposed to disperse problem crimes such as robbery and assault by “diffusion benefits.” If petty theft rises while robberies go down, that’s good from a safety perspective. In Eureka’s case, robberies and assaults are still occurring at the same level. Random patrols is no worse than problem-solving tactic if problem crimes don’t slow and disperse.

    I don’t mean to imply that the crime rate is Nielsen’s fault, but it is no big surprise that he is out when we consider that some of his people are unhappy combined with crime stats not improving on paper.

    The city manager is supposed to be out at the non-profit events talking to the people about the city, not telling everyone what decisions he is making at formal meetings. It should be obvious to those who support Tyson why some people are upset given that he isn’t doing the same job that other city managers do.

    The root of the problem is Eureka’s lack of employment opportunity. The crime rate has everything to do with jobs disappearing. The people can fix the city if they open up to opportunity. Instead, people focus their energy on individual political issues based on political ideologies. No amount of political good intentions will slow crime when there is not enough legal income to go around.

    Examine any city and see how their crime rate compares to teir unemployment rate, average salary, and cost of living. Eureka could have robocop patrolling and crime would still be rampant without job creation.

  72. Hell yes, i want produce something or fancy this but didnt have fit while, may i repost this SURPRISE! particular Eureka City private apartment meeting Friday « The Humboldt Herald
    July 1, 2011 at 9:35 am
  73. Crime rate
    July 1, 2011 at 9:37 am

    That post should not have repeated itself. I apologize.

  74. July 1, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Re Owens–:”I may disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

  75. July 1, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Crime Rate doesn’t understand that DRUGS are the root cause of the majority of crime in this city. The POP program has had a huge impact on drug activity. Has it stopped it? Not yet, but it is having a dramatic effect.

    Tyson and the Council, by calling this friday at 1pm meeting are showing that they want to avoid the Public at any cost. It is a direct insult to those people that care about what happens in their city. It proves the point that they disdain the Public and don’t give a sh*t about what we think.

    Now the Anonymous and HiFi types try to characterize the people that show up at council to speak as”a tiny minority” or some kind of radical fringe group. Then, if no one shows up, the Public doesn’t care. People come to speak on issues they are passionate about. To suffer the level of DISRESPECT that this council shows them is a direct insult. Hell, even Mike Jones and Jeffy Leonard listened SOMETIMES. This council doesn’t even PRETEND to care.

    Then there’s Tyson who hints darkly that ‘there’s more to this than I can say’. I suspect one scenario would be that the Chief had or was about to have some serious dirt on either Tyson or one or more council people so he was given the bum’s rush before he could collect the evidence. I’m not saying this was the case but it’s as likely as any other.

  76. July 1, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Sorry, this browser is giving me fits!
    The other scenario is that Tyson INSISTS on micromanaging and the Chief got tired of him trying to run the police department. That could be ‘management style’ but wouldn’t you think the Police Chief should be allowed to manage his own department without unnecessary interference? That’s why we’ve lost a city attorney, a Finance director, two Community Development directors, and a city clek. Tyson just can’t resist telling them how he wants everything done. His credentials don’t include enough knowledge to direct everything down to the paper clips.

    It’s time to go, Dave!!!

  77. July 1, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Oh yeah, and a Personnel Director.

    Time to go, Dave!

  78. Crime rate
    July 1, 2011 at 11:31 am

    The police can’t stop drugs.

  79. The Big Picture
    July 1, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Eligible voters don’t get riled-up because we have a dysfunctional media.

    In Murl’s recent TS interview he said he was going to, “put Eureka back on the right track”.

    BUT THERE WERE NO FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS!

    What “track” is that?? How about an example?

    It used to be the pride of a community newspaper to share the outrage over hundreds of thousands of public dollars wasted on settlements and vendettas.

    Put it on the front page with repeated demands for answers, and watch the 50%+ of eligible voters that are unregistered or abstain start calling the shots.

  80. High Finance
    July 1, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Mouse (and others) use your frackin’ heads !

    If the former Chief had “some serious dirt on Tyson or one or more of the council people” that would be a reason NOT to fire him !!!

    But thanks for the biggest laugh of the day !!!!

  81. Decline To State
    July 1, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Just back from the meeting. Good turnout given the timing (maybe 100 but I’m not good at guessing crowd sizes). A couple dozen speakers addressed the council, predominantly in favor of the Chief and wanting him back. All the usual suspects were there including our new temporary Chief of Police. I heard nothing really new but our very on Plain Jane was mentioned by name ( and not in the good way).

  82. Plain Jane
    July 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Do tell!

  83. Smart 5th Grader
    July 1, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    First HH was allegedly mentioned in the ol’ what’s-it-called-paper and now PJ gets City Council love? Herald For Mayor, PJ For Council!

  84. Plain Jane
    July 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I’d have to move into the city limits and that would make it very hard to maintain my boycott. :-P

  85. Plain Jane
    July 1, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Who said what, DTS? I’m guessing it was something along the lines of, “That radical communofascistosocialist Plain Jane is upset over Nielsen being fired so it must be a good thing?”

  86. Decline To State
    July 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    It was some ex-politico who’s name I didn’t catch. Apparently he came from a journalism background (he mentioned his degree) and was bemoaning the fact that “back in the day” you were required to have 3 sources for news to be factual but nowadays these people on blogs, be their name be Plain Jane or whatever and they can say anything they want and it’s taken for fact. Or words to that effect.

    Sorry, don’t shoot the messenger.

  87. Plain Jane
    July 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    No problem, DTS. That was a rather silly thing for him to say considering that few people believe much of anything they read regardless of source unless it confirms what they already believe. You’d think a former journalist would know that.

  88. Anonymous
    July 1, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Loved the brown nose that woman got that works for the City. In private she says what a jerk Tyson is.

  89. July 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    HiFi, I ain’t claimin’ it’s so but if I thought there was evidence somewhere in the police sation (on a computer, for example), I’d try to get the Chief away from it as quickly as possible. Thumb drives, papers, etc. I wouldn’t want them leaving the building. May have nothing to do with but I’m just saying…

    Time to go, Dave!

  90. Anon
    July 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I doubt the chief cared about having dirt on someone. Those poor excuses for human beings who started the blog, and their evil emperor, Dave, are the ones intimate with dirt.

  91. July 1, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    That wooshing sound is YOUR (and OUR) Measure O money flying down the drain. Great job, Clown Council. A few more decisions like that and we can close City Hall.
    Time to go, Dave!

  92. pattycakes
    July 1, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    The former chief gets to go on his merry way on Eureka’s dime & Eureka gets to go more in the red. Dave, I think I know who is getting the last laugh and it’s not you.

  93. High Finance
    July 2, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Decline to State is correct. The former journalist was talking about irresponsible blogs that don’t fact check stories and bloggers who spread rumors “like Plain Jane”.

    The story he was referring to was Heraldo’s about the chief being given 5 minutes to get out & forced to strip to his underwear while Tyson watched.

    It was all a lie and if Heraldo isn’t the one who started the lie he still is equally culpable by printing it without any verification or attribution.

    Turns out Tyson told the Chief he had all the time he needed. Turns out it was Nielsen’s decision to turn in his uniform right then, he didn’t have to.

    Still no apology from Heraldo or any of you haters who accepted the story & slammed Tyson for something he didn’t do.

    And the story is still up as Heraldo refuses to remove it.

  94. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    And HIFi got his information from Tyson no doubt. So we know it must be true.

    In other words no matter how you slice it HIFi got his information second hand. So it is hearsay. Unless he was there. Was he?

  95. Plain Jane
    July 2, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    What false rumors have I spread?

  96. Suzy Q
    July 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    HiFi you dumb ass Merle Harpham escorted him out of the building after about 8 mins. how is that all the time he needed

  97. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Hi Fi spread the rumor that all bloggers think Nielsen ALONE was responsible for all EPD improvements. But no one has said that. Still no retraction from HiFi.

    “But all you people attributing this to Neilsen alone is insulting and demeaning “

  98. Plain Jane
    July 2, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    “Nielsen said Tyson walked into his office Friday morning and provided him with the notice of termination. Nielsen said he was given about five minutes to collect some of his personal belongings, change into street clothes and turn in his uniform. He said Tyson then escorted him from the building.”

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18352249

  99. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    HiFi is disgusting.

  100. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    So now Plain Jane has pointed out a source for the claim that Nielsen was only given about 5 minutes to change and be escorted out of there — the Times-Standard, directly quoting Nielsen.

    Meanwhile, HiFi claims:

    Turns out Tyson told the Chief he had all the time he needed. Turns out it was Nielsen’s decision to turn in his uniform right then, he didn’t have to.

    HiFi does not provide a source for his claim about how “it turns out” that things actually went down. So, HiFi, do you have a source to back up your claim or not?

    Now on the matter of whether Nielsen was “forced to strip to his underwear while Tyson watched,” I haven’t seen any source given. I guess if Tyson demanded that Nielsen remove his uniform and only gave him 5 minutes to do it, and insisted on staying in the room while that took place, then that does create the situation of Tyson being in the room while the Chief changed.

    But I don’t see anything in Nielsen’s statement that would indicate whether he was required to disrobe in front of Tyson, whether Tyson offered him some privacy to change, whether the Chief asked for that and was refused or whether, if Tyson was in the room, he actually “watched” the Chief change or not..

  101. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Just watched the council meeting rerun. WOW that first woman that spoke is a good clue as to how WE women should behave! She actually said something to the effect that Atkins should have voted as the rest of council to fire the Chief, because that was the way the rest of them wanted it, so Linda should just follow suit. I should watch it again to get the exact wording. What a backward and repressive place this is.

  102. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    “HiFi does not provide a source for his claim about how “it turns out” that things actually went down. So, HiFi, do you have a source to back up your claim or not?”

    Read the TS article TRA, then disengage from blogging for more than two minutes.

  103. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    As one who lives on the West Side it actually seemed like Nielsen did it alone because the change for the better happened so swiftly. Same time Glass replaced Wolford as councilperson. They were both men of action. Before our complaints were apparently round filed by those managing the police dept. A neighbors friend came to visit, he had a motorcycle and wanted to keep it at the police dept. because he saw the druggies and thieves and didn’t want it trashed or stolen. He was a cop from L. A. While at the police dept he told them that they had a full blown drug house 2 blocks away and it was worse than anything he had seen in L. A. The next day I think it was there was a huge bust at the drug house. He must have talked directly to the cops and not higher ups. This incident happened before Neilsen and Glass. The cops apparently had no orders to do anything about the situation as it went on for at least two and a half years.

  104. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Read the TS article TRA…

    If you’re referring to the article that Plain Jane posted a link to at 6:45, I did read it. Did you? The account given by Nielsen does not back up HiFi’s claims.

    If you’re referring to a different article, please post a link.

  105. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Nevermind, now I see the article you were referring to.

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18397688

    So Tyson claims Nielsen is lying about how it went down, and HiFi (and you?) just go ahead and assume that Tyson is telling the truth?

    Well, you’re welcome to your opinion, but I see no evidence other than Tyson’s word against Nielsen’s, and given my opinion of the two of them it seems more likely to me that Nielsen is giving the more accurate description of what happened, while Tyson is attempting to cover his own ass.

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18397688

  106. pattycakes
    July 2, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    If it’s Nielsen’s word against Tyson’s who ya gonna believe? The guy who had the hots for Tawnie and screwed around with her sexual harassment complaint thereby causing the city a quarter of a million dollar judgment, or the guy who had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at him and was exonerated on it all?
    HiFi?

  107. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    I will repeat, however, that I’ve seen no source or quote to back up Heraldo’s implication that Tyson “likes to see his employees undergarments” or that Tyson was even watching the chief as he changed, much less “gawking” at the Chief in his underwear.

    I have seen nothing that backs up the assertion that that Nielsen was forced to disrobe in Tyson’s presence, that Tyson insisted on remaining in the room while Nielsen changed clothes, or that Nielsen requested privacy while he changed and was denied that privacy. So I think it’s fair to criticize that part of that post, to the extent that the headline and content seemed to be aimed at portraying Tyson as having an unhealthy interest in seeing the Chief in his underwear, though no source was cited to back up that claim.

  108. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Tyson had witnesses that back up his assertion.

  109. tra
    July 2, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    If so, they were not quoted in that T-S article.

  110. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Apparently you guys only follow Heraldo while I pay attention to real news sources.

    “Before Friday’s meeting, Tyson disputed that characterization — and other reports — saying he gave Nielsen as much time as he needed. He said it was Nielsen who insisted on immediately turning in his uniform”.

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_18397688

    Tyson was also on camera and Channel 3 ran the same comments on two different days.

  111. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:20 am

    So Tra, you tend to believe Nielsen over Tyson ?

    You have nothing to back up that belief except your own prejudices but think about this. Nielsen was being interviewed just hours after being fired. It is only human nature that he would be embittered and very angry at the man who fired him. Any of us in that situation would be forgiven for wanting revenge and exaggerating the situation.

    Then, as you pointed out, the underwear story that Heraldo posted has many other details that appear fabricated for the sole purpose of attacking Tyson in a very personal and nasty manner.

  112. July 4, 2011 at 10:22 am

    “Apparently you guys only follow Heraldo while I pay attention to real news sources.”

    No, HiFi. Neither the former, nor the latter, is apparent.
    The method by which Mr. Tyson ejected the Police Chief is a meaningless sideshow, but, by all means, argue it endlessly.

  113. tra
    July 4, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    So Tra, you tend to believe Nielsen over Tyson ?

    Yes.

    You have nothing to back up that belief except your own prejudices but think about this. Nielsen was being interviewed just hours after being fired. It is only human nature that he would be embittered and very angry at the man who fired him. Any of us in that situation would be forgiven for wanting revenge and exaggerating the situation.

    I can certainly see how Nielsen might have a motive for wanting to make Tyson look bad. But if you are willing to be fair-minded about it, you should be willing to admit that Tyson also has a very plausible motive for wanting to mislead people about how it went down: covering his own ass. It’s not like this would be the first time a government official dissembled for that purpose.

  114. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 8:57 am

    They BOTH have motives Tra.

    But every one of you automatically assume that it is Neilsen telling the truth. Aren’t any of you “fair-minded” or am I the only one here ?

  115. anon
    July 5, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Looks to me that the person fired “without cause” isn’t the one with the motive.

  116. July 5, 2011 at 9:25 am

    “But every one of you automatically assume that it is Neilsen telling the truth.”

    No, HiFi, we don’t.

  117. tra
    July 5, 2011 at 9:59 am

    They BOTH have motives Tra.

    I acknowledged that in my 2:37 post. So no need for the bold, all caps shouting.

    But every one of you automatically assume that it is Neilsen telling the truth. Aren’t any of you “fair-minded” or am I the only one here ?

    I don’t “automatically” assume it, but given my overall opinions of Tyson and Nielsen, yes, I’m more willing to give Nielsen the benefit of the doubt. It seems that you are taking the opposite position, which is fine, that’s your opinion. But I don’t see how that makes you any more “fair-minded.”

  118. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I will admit that you Joel and Tra think more than most of the liberal posters. If only Heraldo was able to think as well as you two maybe this blog wouldn’t have such a bad rep.

  119. July 5, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    A bad rep among your ilk is to my credit.

  120. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    And still you leave the underwear topic up.

  121. July 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    There’s a herd of Ilk up near Orick.

  122. Ed
    July 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    The underwear topic makes me ilk.

  123. July 5, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Humboldt’s new marketing campaign:

    “Umboldt’s got ilk.”

    The CoC doesn’t even need to pay me.

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