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Campaign against Eureka City Manager heats up

Bumper stickers available at The Works, 210 C Street, Eureka.  Sign a petition to Dump Dave while you’re there.

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  1. Anonymous
    July 2, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    But Dave Silverbrand is a nice guy.

  2. July 3, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Maybe he would like to be the new city manager.

  3. 69er
    July 3, 2011 at 12:18 am

    This is really starting to get aeromatic.

  4. July 3, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Is Salzman going to send these out in plain brown wrappers again? Stick them on parking meters in the dead of night?

    Ridiculous.

  5. July 3, 2011 at 12:28 am

    It’s all about Salzman for Rose. Always.

  6. July 3, 2011 at 1:02 am

    It does amaze me how everytime there is the slightest political action that isn’t bought by Arkley, Salzman’s name gets dropped. I don’t think he could be behind it all even if he wanted to!

  7. July 3, 2011 at 5:56 am

    Hopefully there will be some buttons soon. Tyson, unfortuately, has fallen into a common trap for city managers. By staying too long at the helm, he has become too closely entangled with certain groups (read: wealthy) and has stopped paying attention to the real needs of the citizenry. It’s an easy and understandable trap but deadly just the same. (for us, that is)
    It is past time for Dave to retire. He could do it gracefully or he could be forced. I’d rather see the former but am not above supporting the latter. It’s up to you Dave. The time has come to bow out. I don’t know if your replacement would be any better, given the current council, but it would be a change, at least.
    It’s time to go, Dave!

  8. July 3, 2011 at 5:57 am

    P.S. Rose, I don’t think Salzman has anything to do with this one. He hangs in Arcata these days.

  9. Old Politico
    July 3, 2011 at 7:02 am

    It’s the four member’s of the Council plus the Mayor who support the firing that Eurekan’s should focus their attention on. The Manager works for the Council. He would not have taken such decisive action if he didn’t believe he had the full backing of the majority of the Council.

  10. OffTheRez
    July 3, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Old Politico you’d be right in any other City, but not this situation. Tyson grew up here, became as finance director for many years, then thanks to Nancy, Connie and Cherie he became city manager for 11 years with the full Arkley blessing, During that time he acquired way too much power. (the average time for a City Manager is 3 to 5 years) He sets the actual and the political agenda for this council. He has hired every staff person working at 531 K street. He gives preferential treatment to his old high school buddies.
    The tragic part is Dave started out as a fairly nice guy, but after a while, the power went to his head. It’s time to put him out to pasture.

  11. Decline To State
    July 3, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Agreed Old Politico. You’re going to get nowhere “Dumping Dave” with the current Mayor and City Council. It’s them we should be concentrating on.

    I say, “Jettison Jager, Bounce Brady, Nix Newman, Cast-Out Ciraballini and (re)Move Madsen!”

  12. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Could it be Larry and Linda’s focus is on Tyson just a personal attack, retribution for past deferences of opnion? If the council, minus Atkins, did not agree they would have an argument!

    All this hullabaloo from Atlins, Glass, and Kuhnel is just a ploy. Larry and Ron have to face facts. They lost the election! Get over it. You can always run again right, but isn’t that what much of this is about?

  13. Down the Road
    July 3, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Getting rid of just one of them isn’t going change things. The
    current council would just pick another one of their buddies.
    On the other hand getting rid of David Tyson is a start. I am more
    upset about the sexual harassment charges and the police
    chief firing than I am about the waste of our city tax dollars. But,
    that is 3 strikes.

  14. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 8:33 am

    This starts the momentum that caries into the next elections. It will put the gang of four on record as supporting a city manager who has cost the city over $300,000 (include the settlements where Tyson allowed harassment by his cronies to continue unchecked). We will also be able to point to a Balloon Track where nothing has happened, a lack of jobs, and a 9% sales tax that funds Tyson’s indiscretions.
    So let the gang of four go on record as being dismissive of these signatures and not addressing Tyson’s cost to the city. They’ll be reminded of that during the next elections.

    Get your friends and neighbors to go to the Works and sign the petition. Will they be open on the 4th? Lots of people will be in the area.

  15. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 8:38 am

    ‘Get over it. You can always run again right, but isn’t that what much of this is about?’

    No this is me having to pay 9% tax because we have a city manager who can’t manage unless everyone toes his line and looks the other way when he and his friends behave badly.
    I’m sick of paying for Tyson’s f&#kups and vendettas.

  16. July 3, 2011 at 9:08 am

    “All this hullabaloo from Atlins, Glass, and Kuhnel is just a ploy.”

    Yes, of course, these evil geniuses somehow got a popular Police Chief fired, and then whipped up public anger about an otherwise beloved City Manager and City Council.

  17. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 11:17 am

    HH already removed that post Joel, so some may not know what you are talking about!

    larry you are such a coward, can’t allow an opposing view. Coward.

  18. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 11:26 am

    When Heraldo starts changing posts by others and making posts under other people’s ID’s like they do at the Mirror, you might have something to complain about 11:17. Deleting libelous posts is the responsible thing to do.

  19. July 3, 2011 at 11:40 am

    What does “Larry” have to do with this, Anonymous 11:17?

  20. July 3, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Yes, The Works is open on 4th of July. So Come down, bring your family and sign the petition! While people still want to hate my dad, and call him a coward.You have obviously never met my Father if you think he is a coward. He is one person that is never afraid to stand up for what he believes in. I think more people should try being a stand up guy like him. Instead of hiding behind a computer screen calling names and spewing lies. That’s easy.Your the person thats a coward Anon, be courageous and use your REAL name when you post.

  21. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 11:58 am

    “Your the person thats a coward Anon, be courageous and use your REAL name when you post”

    Just like Heraldo, Rose?

  22. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Interesting that an anonymous blogger calls Glass a coward. All of us anonymous people are cowards to a certain extent and we aren’t in the position to call anyone willing to go public with their opinion a coward.

    11:17 you are more of a coward than Glass will ever be. He has the cojones to post under his real name. And you?

  23. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    When did HH call someone posting under their real name a coward? I missed that one.

  24. July 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Finally, someone gets it in the town:
    “Old Politico says:
    July 3, 2011 at 7:02 am
    It’s the four member’s of the Council plus the Mayor who support the firing that Eurekan’s should focus their attention on. The Manager works for the Council. He would not have taken such decisive action if he didn’t believe he had the full backing of the majority of the Council.”

  25. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    And the Majority of the council listens to their constituents….Atkins has about 200 friends, the petitions will reflect that.

  26. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Not according to those who were circulating the petitions, 12:22. They were received with overwhelming support.

  27. July 3, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    “Just like Heraldo, Rose?”

    How convoluted the logic of Anonymous is.

  28. Insider
    July 3, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Tyson had his fun and will resume plans to resign. The council is already considering Nancy Flemming as the new city manger.

  29. July 3, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    stand up for what you believe—-what more do you teach–and by example

  30. OffTheRez
    July 3, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    can you imagine this council without Tyson micromanaging every move. Might as well put them in the middle of the pacific in a dingy with no paddle.

  31. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    ““Just like Heraldo, Rose?”

    How convoluted the logic of Anonymous is.”

    Really Joel? Heraldo is NOT anonymous? How is it convoluted to point out that Heraldo is anonymous?

    Rose Glass says: “Your the person thats a coward Anon, be courageous and use your REAL name when you post”

    And the irony is pointed out:

    “Just like Heraldo, Rose?”

    Hardly convoluted logic Joel.

  32. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Insider obviously is on the outside. Nancy Fleming? LMSAO.

  33. July 3, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I want some…

  34. July 3, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    “Hardly convoluted logic Joel.”

    Well, idiotic then. Ms. Glass points at a gutless Anonymous troll who calls a public figure a coward. Anonymous then brings a third party into the argument for no apparent reason other than the third party is anonymous. What sort of logic is that?

  35. 69er
    July 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    ‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant;
    it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’

    -Ronald Reagan

  36. What Now
    July 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Nancy Felming????!!!!!
    She couldn’t organize a pissing contest at a beer bash.

  37. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    “Well, idiotic then. Ms. Glass points at a gutless Anonymous troll who calls a public figure a coward. Anonymous then brings a third party into the argument for no apparent reason other than the third party is anonymous”

    Not really Joel…

    One other thing – it is very apparent that Rose’s father Larry knows who Heraldo is, and that Larry has fed info straight to this blog.

    Fact: Larry was waiting outside of the Police Department after Garr’s dismissal, the recipient, no doubt of one of Garr’s multitude of texts.

    Unless Garr also texted Heraldo personally (which is also a good possibility), Larry fed information to a (in Rose Glass’s opinion) “coward” and it hit this blog before it got to the press.

    Remember AnonRmous back when this blog first came out catching LG and his IP posting to Heraldo on this very blog? I do.

    Heraldo, who IS anonymous is the owner of this blog. An anonymous poster who has posted all kinds of vile crap that I’m sure Rose Glass has no problem with.

  38. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    This “third party” is relevant, Joel, because he or she is the anonymous owner of this blog that has, over the years posted all kinds of cowardly crap that Rose Glass decries, though I am sure she doesnt have a problem with it when it is towards her father’s political opponents.

  39. July 3, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Remember AnonRmous back when this blog first came out catching LG and his IP posting to Heraldo on this very blog? I do.

    To “catch” someone’s IP posting to this blog you would have to have administrative privileges on the Humboldt Herald. The Mouse did not.

  40. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    mmm, but the Mouse caught something that you scrambled to delete mighty quickly.

    Do you deny that Larry and/or GN scoop to you, (an anonymous “Coward” unless you post under your own name in Rose Glass’s opinion)?

  41. July 3, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    My sources are confidential.

    Perhaps you apply the same misunderstanding of the past as you do to the present situation.

  42. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    And you are…an anonymous coward – Rose Glass called it herself.

  43. Kubla
    July 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    I’m impressed that Rose Glass posted a defense of her dad. Good parents plus good kids equals great people!

  44. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Anonymous 4:27 is probably Suzy Owsley shooting off her mouth like she has been doing around town. Seems that she has filed so false complaints so Garr will never get hired again.

  45. What Now
    July 3, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Heraldo says:
    July 3, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    “…Perhaps you apply the same misunderstanding of the past as you do to the present situation.”

    DAMN fine zinger, dude.

  46. July 3, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Mouse here. I don’t know what you’re talking about, Anonymous. Don’t take my name in vain.

    I’ve watched a lot of council members over the years and whether you agree with him or not, I have never seen anyone as dedicated to his job or willing to work as hard as Larry did.

    Stop by his store on the 4th. Sign the petition to remove Tyson if you want to. I did!

    This council voted to support Tyson because they would NEVER do anything to oppose him. They march in lock-step. If Tyson was excercising his vendetta, they’ll go along like good little boys and girls. They’d’d rather lose the best chief we’ve had in years than buck Tyson.
    It’s time to go, Dave!

  47. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Funny how anonymous 11:17 has entirely diverted the conversation from his/her initial post where he/she called Glass a coward.

    I’ll say it again, you are more of a coward than Glass will ever be. He has the cojones to post under his real name. And you do not. And that statement has nothing to do with HH being anonymous, with Garr’s text, or any other diversion you can create.

    It is a simple fact that Glass will stand behind his positions while you anonymous 11:17 are a chicken sh*t.

  48. robash141
    July 3, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    It’s always a special moment on the Humboldt Herald blog when Anonymous 10:17 calls out Anonymous .11:17.

  49. Anonymous
    July 3, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Duly noted by anonymous 10:32

  50. tra
    July 4, 2011 at 12:06 am

    It has been pointed out that it is not uncommon for employers to decline to discuss the reasons for firings or other “personnel matters,” and that is true. But it is also true that this can also serve as very convenient excuse for not explaining an unjustifiable firing — for example firing someone as part of a personal and/or political vendetta.

    Short of a confession by Tyson, we can’t really know for sure that this is what happened in this case, but given the history between Tyson and Nielsen and between Nielsen and the Old Guard clique at the EPD (consider the Hansen case, the sickening “abovethelaw” blog, members of the Old Guard clique having Tyson tailed on his days off, etc.) and all the complaints about how Nielsen supported and was supported by (gasp) Larry Glass (oh the horrors!) it is certainly quite plausible that personal and political revenge was at least part of the motivation for the firing.

    Of course all we really know for sure is that Nielsen was fired “without cause,” meaning that even if the councilmembers and City Manager were not pandering to the Old Guard clique and/or acting out of spite or personal / political motives, it is nonetheless clear that whatever complaints or dissatisfactions they had with the Chief (“management differences,” blah, blah, blah) simply did not rise to the level of being able to fire him “for cause” (and let’s not forget tht firing him “for cause” would have meant that city taxpayers wouldn’t have been forced to shell out something in the range of $160,000 in severance pay and CalPERS).

    To me, that’s the bottom line: If they could show that Nielsen did something so egregious that he could have been fired “for cause,” then fine, they should have fired him “for cause” and been prepared to defend what that “cause” was. Since their unhappiness with his “management style” (or whatever the true motives were) obviously fell short of the “for cause” threshold, if they didn’t want to keep him on as Chief, then they should have just let his contract run out and not renewed it.

  51. July 4, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Where do i pick up the bumper stickers?

  52. July 4, 2011 at 8:05 am

    At the Works on C St between 2nd and 3rd. There are petitions for Tyson’s removal available as well.
    There will be a table out front, I believe.

  53. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Mouse, does it bother you that Rose Glass also called you a “coward”?

    Channel 3 news had a story about Atkins and her massive following Saturday to get petitions to fire Tyson (really just kicking off her re-election campaign).

    I froze the picture & counted Atkins and 12 others, three of them are posters here. You outraged people are a tiny minority.

  54. July 4, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Are you daft, HiFi? Ms. Glass was referring to a specific, gutless, anonymous shit-bird.

  55. Auntie Arkley
    July 4, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Tyson is an over-paid, worthless, corrupt, dickhead who has done nothing except try to destroy Eureka. That’s probably why he never is seen in public. He’s afraid he might just disappear and never be seen again. That would be just, if nothing else. He’s a chicken-shit asshole who needs to go.

  56. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Read it again Joel.

    “I think more people should try being a stand up guy like him. Instead of hiding behind a computer screen calling names and spewing lies.”

    She was describing Mouse and many other posters here.

  57. July 4, 2011 at 10:43 am

    So, you’re against Tyson?

  58. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Speak of the devil, Auntie Arkley showed up while I was writing my post !

  59. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Hi Fi – read it again. It includes YOU and me too.

    “I think more people should try being a stand up guy like him. Instead of hiding behind a computer screen calling names and spewing lies.”

    She was describing Mouse and many other posters here.

  60. High Finance
    July 4, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Yes 10.52am, she insulted most of us here.

    And if, as rumored, her dad is Heraldo or at least posts anonymously on occasion like Salzman, she even insulted her dad as well !

  61. High Finance Say's
    July 4, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Remember the blog that started everything-Above the law I think it was called.

  62. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 11:07 am

    “tra says:
    July 4, 2011 at 12:06 am
    (and let’s not forget tht firing him “for cause” would have meant that city taxpayers wouldn’t have been forced to shell out something in the range of $160,000 in severance pay and CalPERS).”

    Do you really think that firing the old chief for cause would have been cheaper? It would have gone on for months, more attorney fees and time lost to focus on other issues.

    By the way Tyson didn’t cost the City $160,000 in severance pay and CALPERS the old City council created Garr’s contract. He was looking to get another sweetheart deal and played his cards wrong.

  63. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Sweatheart deal? Cleaning up this trashy corrupt town was hardly something sweet. Now we will go back to do nothing overtime collecting ineptitude in the management of the police department.

  64. Suzy Q
    July 4, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    David Tyson has cost the City way more than $160000 for screwing Garr. what about $200000 pay out to Hansen, what about $300000 pay out for the “global investigation”. Those are the obvious ones. There is more. Tyson’s got to GO NOW!!!!!!!!
    Patti “dump that chump”!

  65. tenth street dreamer
    July 4, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Such gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands by all concerned, or not.Today we celebrate our freedom from subjugation by a ruling class. That ruling class was not answerable to it’s citizens. Does it sound familiar . At least now have some redress with our government. If they choose no to listen we can vote them out. At least we don’t have to go to the streets and battle it out with the police and bury our martyrs.

  66. tra
    July 4, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Do you really think that firing the old chief for cause would have been cheaper? It would have gone on for months, more attorney fees and time lost to focus on other issues.

    If Tyson and the Gang of Four really had something solid on which to base their firing of Nielsen, something truly egregious and provable, he would have been ill-advised to sue them because that would have brrought the details to lights, dooming his future employment chances and costing him plenty of money in attorney’s fees without a real chance of winning.

    So yes, if they really had a solid reason for firing him “with cause” then it would have saved the city a bundle. On the other hand, if they had only a flimsy and/or unproven rationale for the firing, then trying to fire him “with cause” could indeed have cost more.

    So it is quite reasonable to conclude that their reasons were too flimsy to put to the test, which is why they went the “without cause” route, which, conveniently enough, also means that they didn’t have to reveal their (flimsy and/or personal/political) motives. Which will cost city taxpayers somewhere in the range of $160,000 that would have been avoided had they simply been willing to wait for his contract to expire.

    But, hey, that’s $160,000 of other people’s money, just like the $200,000 of other people’s money that Tyson’s failings wasted in the Hansen case. And it’s not like this is a cash-strapped city that could desperately use that $360,000 for other things [/sarcasm].

  67. July 4, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    “At least we don’t have to go to the streets and battle it out with the police and bury our martyrs.”

    This is exactly what has to happen for there to be any real, substantial change in America. It’s always this way when the Aristocratic rulers and their Dupes overreach and the population finally reaches its limit and fights back.

  68. robash141
    July 4, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Is there a way that money can be ripped out of the golden parachute that Tyson has no doubt prepared for himself. It would be nice if Tyson was left destitute as a result of his trangressions. :et him see how Murl’s boys treat him when he’s in that position. Bet he’d be missing Garr pretty soon.

  69. Ed
    July 4, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Actually Robash, there’s no more fitting punishment for Tyson than to forever be associated with the current council, and Mayor, and DeeDee, and Arkley.

  70. July 4, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Did you read the article in this morning’s TS about the budget? Make no mistake, the budget is Tyson’s creation and no one else’s. He has managed to have the City Finance Committee REMOVED from the budget process. Nice! Now notice how much ADDITIONAL funding is included for Police and Fire? No, don’t count the firehouse roof. That’s been failing for years and comes under delayed maintenance. Oh look, there is one possible addition to the POP team. That’s a good thing by itself. The bad thing is that IT IS by itself. Projections for 11-12 put the increase in revenue from the Measure O money at nearly SIX MILLION DOLLARS. Ah, I see ther’s more for the Chamber of Commerce. There’s more for a number of other pet projects. So where’s the PUBLIC SAFETY we were promised when we voted for O? Pissed away on Tyson’s indiscretions, lawsuits, and poor ‘personeel management” (the Chief’s firing)

    As to the council, they’re so whipped, i’d bet they would pass ANY budget Tyson presented because they simply DON’T UNDERSTAND IT.

    If you wrote all of this up as a soap opera script, no one would believe it.

    It’s time to go, Dave.

  71. July 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Sorry about my typos. It’s hard to believe that this is the best Eureka has to offer. Thinking about our Clown council makes me so mad my fingers misfire.

  72. July 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Indeed.

  73. Dancing
    July 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse even typing the word “indiscretion” cracks me up.

    People who live in glass houses…..or sit in cars with glass windows…

  74. Anonymous
    July 4, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    The Hansen case alone cost $500,000. $200,000 for the settlement and $300,000 for the fake investigation.

  75. July 5, 2011 at 10:15 am

    In the Times-Standard there is a report about violent crime being down accross America however it has risen in Eureka. I would have thought that Eureka has been turned into Mayberry R.F.D. since Neilsons tenior. I think it’s more about a popularity contest than about things that really count like the crime rate and how well the officers on the street are supported to help them fight the rising crime rate. There were probably reasons why the majority of the council supported Garr’s departure. I honestly do not believe there is any malicious intent from the members of the council over this action. Also, I really do believe that most of Eurekians support our council and thier judgements and that it is a very vocal minority that is supporting this petition. I also believe that the persons who are spearheading this are very sincere however are looking at this the wrong way. Not everything is a conspiracy.

  76. July 5, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Oh by the way, if any of you remember back in 1989 when EPD was facing deep personel cuts, a crowd of about four or five hundred of Eureka’s citizens came out in force. Now that represented more of a majority of citizens. When I see at best 80 to a hundred people which many are the same old faces it hard to swallow they represent the majority.

  77. Anonymous
    July 5, 2011 at 10:43 am

    It’s amazing what giving adequate notice or holding them at their regular times will do for attendance, Jim Branner.

  78. July 5, 2011 at 10:51 am

    When have you seen my face, Mr. Branner?

  79. The Big Picture
    July 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    If “Jim Branner” had gone door to door with me, he would have learned exactly how unpopular the council’s decision is among Eureka’s voters.

    They’re seeing services cut, schools close, incomes plummet, and there’s a goon at city hall that can’t wait 18 months for a popular police chief’s contract to expire? Or, to bother taking proper action on a harassment complaint?

    If Glass were our city manager, imagine the outrage from these hypocrites.

  80. Suzy Q
    July 5, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Jim Branner says “Not everything is a conspiracy” except when you’re dealing with his Royal Hind-ass King David Tyson.

  81. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    The petition door-to-door people only presented one side of the story. Their job is to gather signatures and not to inform the public on both sides of the story.

    Most people that are not aware of the facts and not wishing to offend or confront the person staring them in the face would sign. It is just human nature.

  82. July 5, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    After employing a variety of tactics to find fault with the chief, including an investigation by the Grand Jury, no cause for firing could be found. So King Tyson fired him without cause.

  83. July 5, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    “The petition door-to-door people only presented one side of the story.”

    Oh my God, really? I’m glad that you always present both sides, HiFi.

  84. High Finance
    July 5, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Then you also disagree with those (like Big Picture) gatherers that claim the signatures represent informed citizenary Joel ?

    Heraldo, You’re insulting your followers by your deliberate misrepresenting the reason for the “without cause” label. Shame on you. I wonder how many of them realize what low regard you have for them ?

  85. Percy
    July 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Hifi’s delusional thinking continues, unabated………. and joined by Mr Branner, who knows how many people, in a crowd, it takes to make a majority of Eurekans, hopefully not the same old faces, and finds it hard to swallow.

  86. July 5, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Well, gosh, HiFi, do tell. What was the reason for the firing?

  87. July 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    “Then you also disagree with those … gatherers that claim the signatures represent informed citizenary Joel ?”

    Grow up, HiFi. I could say the same for those who gathered Measure M signatures. They never told me “the other side of the story.” Stop acting like a nut.

  88. Ed
    July 5, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    HiFi tailors his argarments out of whole cloth.

  89. Anonymous
    July 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “Most people that are not aware of the facts and not wishing to offend or confront the person staring them in the face would sign. It is just human nature.”

    Really? I was confronted by Cherie Arkley, Nancy Flemming, and two other Eureka power women who asked me to vote for the Marina Center measure (M?). I told these “neighbors” that I did not intend to vote for it. I smiled and the women (except Cherie) smiled and we were civil. I think people are not as fickle as HIFi imagines. People I have talked to think the Police Chief firing “smells” from lack of transparency and it is hard to comprehend such a decision with such a tight budget. Those are the “facts” they used.
    Of course these are not HIFi’s “facts”. And if they are not his “facts” then the person is uninformed.

  90. July 5, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Sorry, Anonymous. Measure N. I was close.
    And I’m probably every bit as bad as HiFi, but if hypocrisy were a shirt, I’d tell him to tuck it in.

  91. tra
    July 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Most people that are not aware of the facts and not wishing to offend or confront the person staring them in the face would sign. It is just human nature.

    I have collected many thousands of petition signatures on a variety of issues over the years, going back to the mid-eighties. I can assure you that people are not that weak-willed.

    Some petitions are received enthusiastically, with 80 or 90% of folks being willing to sign right off the bat — and sometimes the person at the door will even go get the other folks in the house to give them the chance to sign, too.

    Other petitions, generally those for the more controvesial and/or less clear-cut issues, can have a much higher refusal rate, sometimes as much as 80 or 90%.

    One of the most frequent reasons people cite for not wanting to sign a petition is that they “don’t know enough about the issue.”

    If it really is as easy to get signatures on this petition as folks are saying it is, then that’s because the signers want to sign, not because of some lack of willpower to say “no” or out of politeness or something like that.

  92. Who Cares
    July 5, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    you dumbshits lost at the polls, better luck next time….nitey, nite, ouch,that hurt…

  93. tra
    July 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Just keep up that arrogant attitude, that’s a great way to ensure that your opponents have “better luck next time.”

  94. High Finance
    July 6, 2011 at 9:16 am

    “Campaign against Eureka City Manager heats up” is the title of this topic.

    Only 200 signatures were collected ??? So far there doesn’t seem to be enough heat to warm a can of soup !

  95. July 6, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Then why worry about it so much, HiFi?

  96. The Big Picture
    July 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Ha Ha…good one Joel!

    Oh, but maybe he’s right. Eureka’s chronically uninformed citizens were quite easily duped at their doorsteps when they ushered-in the Gang of Four, right?

  97. High Finance
    July 7, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Where do you get that I am “worried” Joel ?

    Big Pic, now you are zero for 188.

  98. The Big Picture
    July 9, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Be my guest bozo and try and have it both ways…it fits your profile.

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