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Bohn kicks off campaign for Supervisor

Community activist Rex Bohn kicked off his campaign for 1st district Humboldt County Supervisor at Redwood Fields Ballpark in Cutten Thursday. The event was “well attended” according to KMUD news correspondent Daniel Mintz.

“I’m not afraid to make decisions, and I’ll live with the decisions I’ve made,” Bohn told Mintz. “We’re going to have jobs and provide things for people.” Bohn said “green jobs [are] the fastest growing sector, we need to take advantage of that.”

It’s not clear how such green talk meshes with environmentally unfriendly ideas Rex supports, such as the mega retail Marina Center project, or the 2004 quest for a Liquid Natural Gas terminal on Humboldt Bay.

Rex at a glance:

  • Republican.
  • Former board member of the Eureka Chamber of Commerce and Redwood Acres Fair.
  • Volunteer auctioneer for charity events.
  • Opposes marijuana dispensaries for Eureka and is “ashamed” the city would even talk about it.
  • Lost a highly contentions bid for Eureka City Council against Chris Kerrigan in 2004.
  • Supported the so-called Citizens for a Better Eureka lawsuit that challenged Coastal Commission jurisdiction over the Balloon Track.  The case was tossed out of court — twice.

The kick off was attended by Humboldt County Supervisor Virginia Bass, Randy Gans and Brian Mitchell of Security National, Eureka Mayor Frank Jager and former Humboldt County Sheriff Gary Philp.

The 1st District seat is currently held by Supervisor Jimmy Smith, who says he will not run for re-election.

  1. Anonymous
    July 7, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    So who’s going to run on the non-Arkley side?

  2. Anonymous
    July 7, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    How can you work for Fox Farm and be against dispensaries?

  3. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 5:10 am

    Did Dee Dee attend?

  4. Ponder z
    July 8, 2011 at 6:16 am

    shit and dirt are legal to produce, and sell. Its what you plant in it that can cause moral and social decay.

  5. anon
    July 8, 2011 at 6:27 am

    Against marijuana dispensaries? Wonder if his kid will vote for him then.

  6. Ben
    July 8, 2011 at 6:41 am

    So now the Herald begins its anti-Bohn campaign. Unfortunately for you, Rex is very well liked, clearly the frontrunner, and has a significant history of community service.

  7. Plain Jane
    July 8, 2011 at 6:48 am

    “clearly the frontrunner”

    Who is running behind him?

  8. Pitchfork
    July 8, 2011 at 6:53 am

    This is David Tyson’s good friend and hatchet man. What a crowd! Talk about the “Insane Clown Posse”

  9. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 6:56 am

    These guys have goofed up Eureka. Now they want the county too.

  10. July 8, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Ben must be upset that I called Rex a community activist.

  11. Down the Road
    July 8, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Did you forget Calpine? Rex was their biggest advocate.

    No, Rex is not well liked. We will share some of his antics when
    it gets closer to election time.

    PLEASE SOMEBODY THAT IS MIDDLE OF THE ROAD RUN
    FOR ELECTION.

  12. Eric Clapton
    July 8, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Hey Rex tell us about “4th Street Connection”

  13. Pitchfork
    July 8, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Insane Clown Posse = Brady Bunch

  14. July 8, 2011 at 7:36 am

    It will be interesting to see what happens if he’s redistricted to the Second and has to go against Clif.

  15. High Finance
    July 8, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Rex is not just well liked, he may be the most popular person to run for supervisor in ages. Only Jimmy Smith himself was so uniformally as well liked. However Rex is better known than Jimmy was at this stage of their campaigns.

    Rex is a high energy volunteer and has been so for decades.

  16. July 8, 2011 at 8:31 am

    What difference does it make who runs against him. They are all the same anyway. Talk about an exercise in futility.

  17. July 8, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Ooh, a high energy volunteer. Great. How about some cerebral qualifications? When all the energy’s spent on supply-side support, it’s wasted in terms of PUBLIC service, and a boon only to the reinforcement of doomed paradigms.

  18. retired guy
    July 8, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Since he backed the Calpine proposal, I believe he is way too far to the right for my vote. That proposal was a disaster just waiting to happen. Jobs are important no doubt, but not at any cost. His mention of “green jobs” in his announcement hardly overcomes the reality of his stance on the Calpine project.

    He seems to be a “good guy” and all that, but, my concerns outweigh that quality. We do need someone on the Board that is more concerned about the “quality of life” issues and not so oriented toward “employment issues” that, overall, may not be best interest of our lovely area.

  19. High Finance
    July 8, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Retired guy has forgotten what it is like to be young.

    “Quality of life” and “employment issues” are forever linked together for the rest of us.

  20. Ed
    July 8, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I’ve got the perfect slogan for Bohn’s campaign, one that exemplifies his industrialist views and simultaneously courts the hippie, ready? TRAIN REX

  21. dj
    July 8, 2011 at 10:25 am

    HiFi,
    Quality of life and employment issues should be considered together. However, as a young person, I would hope that “employment issues” not trump our overarching quality of life. For example, I would not want to be living in Japan right now where the quest for energy and jobs through nuclear has manifested in long-term devastation to human lives and the environment – (at this juncture I think “jobs” is probably a bit lower on their list of priorities).

  22. tra
    July 8, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I think it’s accurate to say that Bohn has name recognition and is “well-liked” by a lot of folks. On the other hand, last time he ran for office he lost to Chris Kerrigan. So being “:well-liked” is not necessarily the same thing as being considered a good choice as an elected official.

    That being said, I do think he’ll be a formidable candidate, and that he starts with a decent-sized group of core supporters, good name recognition and positive feelings from many due to his charity work. That’s far from a guarantee of success, but it’s not a bad place to start.

    Of course to call him the “frontrunner” when there are no other declared candidates…well that’s just kinda funny.

  23. U Who
    July 8, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Rex Bohn, V.P. of the Chinese scam Evergreen Pulp Mill, along with Virginia Bass. You can just look out there and see all the jobs Rex brought to Humboldt. LOL.

    A community resource was stolen right before you eyes. Think about it.

  24. Decline To State
    July 8, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Rex-nice guy, messed up politics. tra’s right, he’s going to be a formidable candidate.

  25. prajna
    July 8, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Derral, well said!

  26. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 10:52 am

    In any other area I’d think Rex would be doomed when he has to intelligently talk about issues (other than his volunteer work, baseball fields, etc) during a debate. I’m not convinced he’s very well versed in state wide issues, funding, grants, real economic development, fisheries, state and federal regulation, etc. As much as some people may not like the government, this is a government position and one needs to know how it works both here and elsewhere. If we don’t get a certain amount of state and federal funding we become Weott by the bay.
    However, I imagine he’ll take the Bass approach and claim he really hasn’t had time to study the issues, but he’s a “can do guy” and he’s talked to people on the street, blah, blah, blah. And, that basic statement of unqualification will not be challenged; rather it will be embraced by many.

  27. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 11:02 am

    I can just see him on the Board along with puppet VB and her new makeover. She can bat her eyes and toss her hair while trying to look intelligent all at the same time, lots of smarts there. Rex can smile and look cheery and be be the good humored puppet. How will he handle a disagreement? With a big smile.

  28. Not A Native
    July 8, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Well we’re been seeing a lot of DINO’s getting the nod lately. This is the first recent attempt by an unrepentant Republican. And its a highest office in the county. My prediction is Rex’s likability and obesity are exceeded only by his dumbness, and he’ll lose. Smith easily beat back a similar opponent last election. Any credible moderate with local ties will do the same to Bohn. FWIW, little Bohn(Richard Marks) is hoping to follow in Rex’s footsteps. Like twins, they act alike, they talk alike, they look alike…

    And gee, isn’t if awfully early to be announcing? Or is it the case that the redistricting process is affecting this? Seems to me voters may care that two Supes could in fact be essentially next door neighbors. That would appear to belie the idea of districts being areas with distinct representation.

  29. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “shit and dirt are legal to produce, and sell. Its what you plant in it that can cause moral and social decay.”

    Maybe his customers should know that he is against their business.

    Then there is the part where he says against the pot economy, yet works for a company that was started with pot money.

    Is he for jobs? Really?

  30. Next door nieghbors?
    July 8, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Just curious—I thought for fair representation the board members came from different areas of the county. Rex lives next to Virginia Bass. What is going on here?

  31. July 8, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    There’s no doubt that Rex is really nice guy (he and I had a very friendly exchange last election night, as he was on his way up to Rob Arkley’s office for their victory party re: the Eureka City Council race) and I believe he is well intentioned (wants to create jobs), but he is so very misguided.

    Many of the people whose advise he takes to heart are employers so it’s understandable why he’d think their positions are the ones that will create jobs and in the short run, they well might (Evergreen not withstanding), but as to quality of life and the long term future of what Humboldt County will look like and what will create truly sustainable jobs (vs. boom and bust jobs), one only need look to the already heavily developed parts of our state to see the results of what happens when you let the developers and so called “job creators” have undue influence over zoning, planning and code laws.

    Be it Rob Arkley’s team locally, which includes most of those names listed in this blog post and in the Times Standard article as supporters of Rex’s, or the Koch Brothers team nationally, what these folks want is less 1) regulation (that would include land use) and 2) lower taxes on the rich. Everything else is just smokescreen. They’ll talk a lot about jobs, but just as quickly ship those jobs overseas if it improves their bottom line.

    From the TS article: Bohn said “there is under-utilized land in Humboldt”
    That line makes it clear where he will come down on the General Plan Update, and no other issue will have a more profound effect on Humboldt’s future (or the profits his biggest supporters stand to reap) then that one issue of the GPU.

    Here’s hoping someone on the so called “left”, can make a run at defeating Rex. I know if can be done, but there is no doubt that as of now, it is Mr. Bohn’s election to lose. And Rob’s team did a masterful job in the last election both with the Eureka City Council race and in electing our local version of Sara Palin to the BoS. Expect all of those same resources (both disclosed and undisclosed) and more to available to Rex Bohn.

    This is the power grab that Rob Arkley has been working on for the last eight years and he is pretty confident that he can hoodwink enough swing voters to reach his goal. As of right now, I would be hard pressed to bet against him.

  32. High Finance
    July 8, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I disagree with most of what you said Salzman, but you did say it like a grownup, said it intelligently & without calling names, unlike NAN.

  33. retired guy
    July 8, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    HiFi—no, I haven’t forgotten what it’s like to be young. Just the opposite is true actually. The quality of life here on the north coast is what made me settle here in the mid sixties after finishing my BA at HSC.

    I’ve seen quite a number of changes here, and everywhere else actually, in the last 45+ years. I’m very active in this community and keep up on my reading and in current events. I have a strong belief that progressives are more attuned to doing things that are for the betterment of our society, and not necessarily for the betterment of the “bottom line”. I see as the major difference between you and me. This difference reflects a “young” approach, and therefore keeps me that way. I’m not sure what the “rest of us” means.

  34. July 8, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Two typos:

    1) less regulation
    &
    I know IT can be done.

  35. Trey
    July 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    H –

    As usual you got some of the information right, some of the time.
    But facts or the truth have never been your strong point.

    Republican
    Wrong. In these non-partisan local elections, Rex Bohn is a registered decline to state. Not that it matters to his Democrat, Republican, Green, Independent or Decline-To-State supporters.

    Former board member of the Eureka Chamber of Commerce and Redwood Acres Fair.
    That’s why so many people will vote for him.

    Volunteer auctioneer for charity events.
    Again, that’s why so many people will vote for him.

    Opposes marijuana dispensaries for Eureka and is “ashamed” the city would even talk about it.
    Might want to check his position on this more clearly.

    Lost a highly contentions bid for Eureka City Council against Chris Kerrigan in 2004.
    True, although this time Rex has surrounded himself with a political machine that will bitch slap Richard Salzman when he tries his BS lies again.

    Supported the so-called Citizens for a Better Eureka lawsuit that challenged Coastal Commission jurisdiction over the Balloon Track.
    As did numerous citizens who believe in cleaning up our environment, along with Smart Growth, versus No Growth.

    Rex is the front runner as the only other declared candidate is Annette Demodena and God told her to run (seriously).
    Jeff Farley, current Mayor of Ferndale has already dropped out.
    Heidi Benzonelli of Jefferson School fame is waiting in the wings.

    Rex’s campaign kick-off was attended by hundreds of people.

    Rex has already garnered over 400 endorsers and growing every day.

    Rex will raise over $250,000 for his campaign.

    And for the ignorant fool who stated in his blog post that Rex needs to “loose” 100 pounds, he already has lost 60 pounds by riding his cycle every morning.
    Can you say “Green Wheels”?
    I knew ya could.

    What have you anonymous bitching bloggers done for our community except complain (anonymously, of course)?

    That’s what I thought.

    Tell you what. You keep bitching on this blog, while Rex and his crew will be out talking with the First District voters.

    How well did your strategy work for Bonnie what’s-her name?

    Hey Richard Salzman – thanks for the positive glowing endorsement of Rex! Can he use your name as an endorser on his campaign ads ?

    “Rex Bohn – The Best Call – June 2012”

  36. July 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Rex may be va “nice guy” but, as clearly listed above, his politics suck. CalPine? The CBE suit that has delayed the cleanup for months/years? Anti MJ dispensaries? There’s no way this guy represents the views of his county. EverGreen Pulp? Yet another measure of his ‘management skills’. I don’t dislike the guy but he should stay within his skill-set.

    Not A Native (11:54) asks the right question. How do we get broad representation when Rex and Virginia are literally nextdoor neighbors? Hell, a block party might constitute a Brown Act violation.

    We can do better. Thanks anyway, Rex.

  37. July 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Trey, if Rex is no longer “ashamed” of the city talking about pot dispensaries he is free to clarify. But he made this statement in front of cameras at the city council meeting covered in the link.

  38. Percy
    July 8, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Republican
    Wrong. In these non-partisan local elections, Rex Bohn is a registered decline to state. Not that it matters to his Democrat, Republican, Green, Independent or Decline-To-State supporters.

    If you like all things Arkley, vote for Rex. Wonder what political affiliation Arkley is? Kind of like the one that got us the non-partisan Eureka city council fantastic four. Why be so chickenshit about your affiliation? Just say you’re a wing nut and will reverse everything that you don’t like and be done with it.

  39. Campaign Watcher
    July 8, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Trey, you are a foam-mouthed Rex Bohn sugarcoater.

    To contend that supporting the CBE suit is to support “cleaning up the environment” reveals to the rest of us that you’re a bought-and-paid-for Arkley loyalist who is toeing the party line. Everybody knows that Arkley’s coverup masquerading as a cleanup is illegal in four or five ways. Just because you’re encountering pushback from the State because you can’t bully-through your illegal coverup the way you’re used to doing, you sue? C’mon, play by the rules!

    A vote for Rex is a vote for “anything goes” development.

  40. TimH
    July 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Rex was a great resource for us in McKinlevyille when we were trying to get the Hiller Sports Park built. If anybody remembers, this project languished for years. He showed up to a meeting in McKinleyville with the plans they used in Cutten so we didn’t have to re-create the wheel and ended up on the construction committee. He went out and got people to donate all kinds of things, like Maples Plumbing putting in an oil/water separator for free. He gets things done. I asked him why he was doing so much for us and he said because it was a shame our Babe Ruth teams were driving to his fields in Cutten 3 times a week for practice. “You guys need your own fields up there.”

    Pretty selfless in my opinion. He’ll be a great supervisor.

  41. Campaign Watcher
    July 8, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Tim H –

    Care to address Rex’s views on development in Humboldt, rather than just his record of good works in the community?

    I’d much prefer to see Rex continuing to build ball fields as a “civilian,” not calling shots in the county on development. His judgment, in that regard, scares a lot of us.

    Tim, specifically, what did you think about Rex’s fervent support for the Calpine LNG proposal? And, long after Calpine went out of business, Rex’s continuing to reference this as an example of “what we shouldn’t have turned down”?

  42. Anon
    July 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    I believe that Rex only wanted a study on the LNG issue as he thought it could create jobs here as many people at that forum said they wanted a study and talked about jobs that it would bring in. Ita could have brought in jobs to construct the LNG plant but the there would be nothing else that could be here in the harbor as the minimum area you have to be away from an LNG tanker is 500 yards. That would have put fishing boats on land.

    I knew CalPine was already broke but it wasn’t going to be CalPine anyway. Another stake in Tyson’s file drawer is the letter from the Government agency that now controls the deeds on all the airports here. The airports would actually revert to the GSA if closed or put up for sale, said that Eureka City could not deal with CalPine for a sale and that they would have to deal with the Government Services Administration and they would send their appraiser out to set a price. I know that CalPine saw that letter at the first forum at the auditorium that was presented by someone that had it and then they left town as they knew the party was over for them. The citizens actually did not drive them out of town, but that was easy for a lot of people that did not know what happened to say and an easy out for CalPine.

    This had nothing to do with “we don’t want you” but it was going to be a big price that they would not support or pay as various sites were being sold for multimillions of dollars for old gasoline producing sites for LNG that were smaller than the Samoa Airport site. CalPine’s shares were only worth a dollar or two at the time and they were not the ones that were going to build it anyway as they were selling assets to get money to survive. It was probably Dutch Shell or Mitsubishi that they were fronting for. Tyson put this in his file drawer and I don’t think any of the City Council ever saw it before that meeting but I did. They did seem to be surprised as some of them read it at the time.

    Just sayin’

  43. anybody but Rex
    July 8, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    “Rex is the front runner as the only other declared candidate is Annette Demodena and God told her to run (seriously)…..
    Heidi Benzonelli of Jefferson School fame is waiting in the wings.”

    Now there’s a race.

  44. Rex is scary
    July 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Where can I buy my “Anybody But Rex” merchandise?
    (T-shirts, buttons, bumper stickers, etc).

  45. Rex Merchandise, Inc.
    July 8, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Here’s an idea for a t-shirt:

    (Rex’s face superimposed on a giant LNG-domed storage facility):

    Caption underneath:
    “If you liked the LNG proposal, you’re gonna love Rex!”

  46. Ponder z
    July 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    You could say Rex is a “Community Organizer”. Think where that could lead.

  47. James Stockley
    July 8, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Just change the name to Wrecxs

  48. Julie Timmons
    July 8, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Did he mention how many “green jobs” will result from the Marina Center?

  49. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Maybe we all have different ideas of what is a “green job”. Certainly Rex’s job came from and is supported by the “green” economy, but it seems he’s against that.

  50. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Rex is confused.

  51. July 8, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    If his race against Kerrigan in 2004 is any indication, it should be an entertaining ride.

  52. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    How’s life in Berkley, unbiased “Reporta” John Osborne?

  53. July 8, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Tim H’s comment above (3:36) is a fair portrait of who Rex is.

  54. tra
    July 8, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    From the story in the Times-Standard:

    Bohn worked to establish the North Coast Special Olympics in 1981, helped to build six soccer fields and three baseball fields for area youth in Cutten, and helped fundraising efforts to build the Betty Chinn-St. Vincent de Paul shower project. He also has served as auctioneer at hundreds of fundraisers benefiting hundreds of organizations over the years.

    That much community involvement, for such a wide variety of causes, and over such a long period of time, does tend create a lot of goodwill. And sometimes that kind of general admiration for a person’s hard work and dedication can even lead some folks to vote for a person despite disagreeing witih that person on some public policy issues. I suspect Rex will get some votes that fit in that category.

    Rex also has significant baggage, at least with some voters, such as his atance on the proposed CalPine LNG project, but my guess is that overall he starts the campaign with more voter approval than disapproval. It’s still a long way out from the election, and a lot can happen, but clearly that’s not a bad place to start from.

  55. tra
    July 8, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Should read: “…such as his <> on the proposed…”

  56. tra
    July 8, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Let’s try that again:

    Should read: “…such as his stance on the proposed…”

  57. Anonymous
    July 8, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Rex Bohn is a registered decline to state? That’s because he changed recently and knows that a Republican can’t get elected. Who else changed away from Republican to get elected? Virgina Bass, Mike Newman and Ryan Sundburg, and that was just the last election. So the only way a Republican can get elected in this county is to not be registered as such.

  58. tra
    July 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Who else changed away from Republican to get elected?

    Bonnie Neeley was a Republican for many, many years before changing to Democrat.

  59. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 12:11 am

    That is the kind of comment that buys tra a tremendous amount of respect from all parts of the political spectrum. Truth.

  60. Chain of Fools
    July 9, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Anon says:
    July 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    “I believe that Rex only wanted a study on the LNG issue…”

    ********************************************************************

    And that’s why he wore that pro-LNG button?

    We can expect much more of this kind of revisionism. Thank God he lost that issue, the Wal-mart issue, the California Coastal Commission issue, the city council election, and what’s next? His volunteerism is admirable, but he’s not in Eureka anymore, and he’ll have to find something else to saturate his fliers with this time.

    What we’ll discover, again, is that everybody’s for green jobs…but, until they’re handed to us, Rex and his backers will insist on more big boxes and sprawl.

    “It’s anti-USA to say no to jobs.”

    Even if it’s a job digging our economic hole deeper!

  61. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Rex will do a good job, work hard. He leans very right, and did want the LNG plant. If you disagree with his politics, you will not be happy if he wins. And Vice-Versa.

  62. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 7:56 am

    if you look at the work rex has done, it is results oriented. build this, fix that, etc. this is the type of hard work and leadership we need. all the charity work he did in the past wasn’t to fill up a resume to someday run for something, it was to help this community. it was also done while working a regular job.

  63. Barb Leonard
    July 9, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Heraldo, you might try staying apace…..a couple of years ago, Rex did make the statement about marijuanna dispenseries, however, Jeff and others explained the state mandate and why an ordinance controlling the dispenseries and the product would give the police some teeth when dealing with illegal grow houses. I think he took that information and modified his position. Lot of knee jerk reactions to pot and many have changed their positions. You ought to try it sometime. A broader mind leads to greater understanding.

  64. Bolithio
    July 9, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Reading this shit makes me not want to vote. Im with Joe for once.

  65. anybody but Rex
    July 9, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Trey, tell us more about the two candidates running against Rex.

  66. July 9, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Rex Bohn is a polarizer.

    Whenever the Republicans completely polarize an election they usually lose, because they are in the minority.

    Locally it is easier for less polarizing Republicans to get elected, (as long as they register Democratic or Decline to State.). Polarizers like Bohn usually lose even though they are quite popular with the small Republican base.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  67. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 10:35 am

    If Tim Hooven likes Rex, and I believe everything he says about him, that tells me all I need to know as I’ve opposed every candidate Tim’s ever endorsed. But I see why Tim likes him, and I not think Rex is some extreme ideologue. He grew up as a Republican, but was not political. When he got political, he switched to D.T.S… So did Ryan Sundberg.
    Rex just wants to do what he thinks is right for the community and anything that might create jobs qualifies in his mind.
    None of this makes him a bad person, but a lot of us won’t share his premise that this is what’s best for Humboldt or for long term economy (so far, most things that’ve “created jobs” in Humboldt have in time, also lost all of those jobs). Growth for growths sake is the opposite of what people who want sustainable growth and who want to produce 21st Century jobs, want to see as an elected official’s base line principal. Willing to risk LNG on our bay for jobs? Sounds like what the good folks in Fukushima must have been thinking when they supported the nuke plant on their shore.
    As to rumors of his past, the stories of the dealings that went on at his Forth Street Connection Bar do make any position opposing MJ dispensaries just a bit ironic. And his high school reputation as a bully seems a departure from the good nature he projects today, but maybe he’s just grew up? Bottom line if he gives Virginia a third vote you can bet the folks who’s been dragging the feet of the Planning Commission will all of a sudden be ready to “get ‘er done”, real quick. Is it true that there are more Republicans registered in the 1st then there are Democrats? That would be interesting to know. And how much with the redistricting alter that one way or the other?

  68. High Finance
    July 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    The choice will be simple.

    If you want any chance of good paying jobs in Humboldt County you vote for Rex.

    If you are happy with 12% unemployment and much of the rest in low paying or even minimum wage jobs, vote for the Salzman/PJ/Mouse/Anonymous candidate.

  69. Chain of Fools
    July 9, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Anonymous says:
    July 9, 2011 at 7:56 am

    “if you look at the work rex has done, it is results oriented. build this, fix that, etc. this is the type of hard work and leadership we need….it was also done while working a regular job”.

    ***************************************************************************

    BULLSHIT!

    Rex deserves credit for volunteer work, but please don’t act like picking up the phone to call Maples, and a list of other political supporters, didn’t actually get the job done while Rex worked a regular job!!

    If selfless volunteerism was actually a qualifying issue, we’d be demanding Betty Chin run instead.

  70. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Always do the opposite of what High Finance says if you think Martin Luther King was smart.

    Who else is running?

  71. Schwingerkönig
    July 9, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    That’s an interesting point, BULLSHIT!

    I wonder what Betty thinks about Rex running?

  72. Not A Native
    July 9, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Anon 10:35 nailed it.

  73. Timh
    July 9, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    What do you have against Mike Wilson?

  74. Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    HiFi. You really think Rex is that good?

  75. Chain of Fools
    July 10, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Schwingerkönig says:
    July 9, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    That’s an interesting point, BULLSHIT!

    I wonder what Betty thinks about Rex running?

    *************************************************************

    Funny!

    Betty already supports Rex and could care less who might oppose him…Bass redux….

  76. July 10, 2011 at 6:11 am

    HiFi, if only the world was that simple. No one candidate can ‘create tons of jobs’. Unfortunately the kind of jobs Rex seems to support, minimum wage big box type jobs, end up COSTING both the city and the county for social services those folks need (food stamps, section 8 housing, etc.). Not a good bargain.

    I don’t dislike Rex but I strongly disagree with his ideas about what Humboldt County needs and should look like.

  77. tra
    July 10, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Betty already supports Rex and could care less who might oppose him…Bass redux

    Or maybe more like a Jackson redux? Like when Jackson claimed Chinn as an endorser, then had to retract that claim when Chinn made it clear she wan’t endorsing anyone?

    https://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/jackson-blows-it-with-betty/

    Just sayin’… if Bohn wants to claim Chinn as an edorser, he might want to actually clear that with Chinn first.

  78. July 10, 2011 at 10:39 am

    I remember being at an event in Fortuna where Rex was doing his auctioneer thing.One of the things auctioned was a dinner catered by a local chef for a party of a dozen or so people at their home,after the bidding was done,Rex said that as a joke on guy who took the bid,he was going to go to Eureka and “round up” twelve homeless people to be the guys guests.

  79. High Finance
    July 10, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Nothing is that simple Mouse and no I do not think he can do anything about creating jobs on his own 4.37pm.

    I also think that the power of political bodies, like the Supervisors or City Council, to create jobs is highly overrated.

    BUT, if we have a board of Supervisors or a City Council who are clueless on what the private sector needs to create jobs then we have not a chance in hell of improving things.

  80. anon
    July 10, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Will Matthew or whoever is running Rex’s campaign please advise him that it is very politically uncorrect to make racist and sexist comments and tell off color ethnic jokes all the time?

  81. Anonymous
    July 11, 2011 at 6:02 am

    He wants it bad enough this time to say, or not say, anything to get elected, it is his turn.

  82. anon
    July 11, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    better tell his kid to hide his grow, too

  83. The Big Picture
    July 11, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    And yet, Nancy Flemming and her ilk successfully made Eureka “the retail hub of Humboldt County”. Saturating it in low wage national retailers according to the only local economic research.

    The results of saturation is well documented as a job-killer across this nation.

    Simultaneously approving the saturation of subdivisions that these new employees can’t afford, has exacerbated the area’s poverty, crime, drug abuse and homelessness.

    Not exactly an attraction for capital investment, ie, JOBS.

    You see, local government has a great deal of power in changing direction to build the foundation for better paying jobs.

    However, they are backed by the development community that benefits from the status-quo. These successful candidates are as deceived as the public that there’s no alternative.

  84. TimH
    July 11, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    how does the development community benefit from the status quo?

  85. The Big Picture
    July 12, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Short term, of course!

    Haphazard zoning, pushing infrastructure beyond capacity, more poverty-wage jobs….they make their windfall on the backs of unfunded public subsidies.

    It takes elected officials to maintain this status-quo.

  86. Joy to the world
    July 12, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Did you see the great picture on page 3 of today’s Times Standard of the Rex Bohn volunteer wearing his campaign shirt for the Fortuna chili cook-ff?

    Nothing like a little free advertising.

  87. TimH
    July 12, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Could you be a little more specific. As a member of the development community, I fail to see where I would benefit from poverty wage jobs or any of the rest of what you are suggesting.

  88. July 12, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    HiFi, for once I agree with you. This Clown Council doesn’t have a clue about jobs. They were eager to send 35 good jobs at ACRC down the road to Willits to save a couple of pennies. Not a clue!

  89. High Finance
    July 12, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    You must be very rich indeed Mouse ! I certainly wouldn’t call two MILLION dollars “a couple of pennies” !!

    Could you at least try to be more careful before you start throwing your “facts” around please ?

  90. tra
    July 12, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Unless I’m mistaken, the $2 million difference was the figure before ACRC came back with a better offer. I believe that after their more recent offer, the gap is much, much less, and IMHO not worth losing the jobs and the local recycling infrastructure.

  91. High Finance
    July 13, 2011 at 8:54 am

    But wasn’t the second offer conditional and only temporary ?

    And would you really want to trust an organization who attempted to raid the cookie jar with the first offer ? Didn’t the dramatic difference between the first and second bids show dishonorable intentions with the first bid ?

    And if the county & Eureka changed their minds and allow somebody to rebid after seeing the competitions bid, wouldn’t that drive away anybody in the future to bother submitting bids ?

  92. tra
    July 13, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    But wasn’t the second offer conditional and only temporary ?

    I’m not sure what you mean by “conditional.” Conditional on what?

    Temporary, yes. But given that the market for recycleable materials is slowly recovering after it crashed due to the global economic slowdown a couple of years ago, a shorter-term contract would most likely be beneficial, since chances are the county and municipalities could negotiate for an even better deal in a year or two if the price of recycleable materials continues to gradually rise.

    And if the county & Eureka changed their minds and allow somebody to rebid after seeing the competitions bid, wouldn’t that drive away anybody in the future to bother submitting bids ?

    That may be a legitimate point, but I don’t remember all the details of how it all went down. It seems to me that as long as the other bidder had a chance to re-bid also, that would still be pretty fair. If not, I’d have to agree that this would be unfair.

    Another thing that’s worth considering is that there was only one other bidder, the Willits outfit. And they may have been bidding extra-low, with the idea in mind that if they could drive ACRC into bankruptcy and force the closing and dismantling of the Samoa facility, then they could jack their prices up later. If they were the only bidder the next time around, we would have been at their mercy.

    In theory, if their rates went too high, then at some point there would be other bidders, and competition would keep the price down — but as you may be aware the waste-hauling industry is notorious for dividing up “turf” and deciding among themselves who will bid what where, and in some cases outright price-fixing. Given the history of that industry, it seems to me that keeping a viable local option would be to our benefit, even if we pay a bit more in the short-term

    Anyway, the latest I’ve read about this is that some of the municipalities are planning to stick with ACRC, and HWMA is considering buying the Samoa plant, perhaps having ACRC continue to operate it under a contract. Given that the Samoa facility is practically new, and given that it’s been found to operate quite efficiently, I do think it would be a waste for it to be shut down and dismantled.

    Basically, what happened to ACRC is that they invested a lot into their new facility just before the economy tanked (and with it the price of recyleable materials). You could say that was bad planning, that they should have known that the market for recycleable materials was going to take a nosedive, but from my point of view I think that’s asking a bit much. The difficulty was that as a small operation, with a lot invested in their new facility and not a lot of cash-on-hand, they weren’t all that well-positioned to weather a crash in the market price of the recycleable materials, even though that crash was relatively short-term.

    Overall, I think it’s a worthwhile operation and there’s a benefit to keeping it going and keeping (at least some) of the local jobs that go along with it. If some of the local government entities want to get the short-term savings by contracting with the Willits firm, well, O.K., but hopefully there will still be enough business to keep the ACRC operation functioning.

  93. Anonymous
    July 13, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    It is true that if you have two bids that are very far apart you should be suspect of both.

  94. Plain Jane
    July 13, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    They weren’t really bidding on the same service, Tra. ARCR does dual stream recycling which results in more and higher quality recyclables than the single stream process that Willits uses and supplies local businesses with the materials they need to employ 40 people. Willits “lower bid” would result in them paying $56,000 for our recyclables but which would cost our local economy $4 million. In some cases the lowest bid isn’t the best way to go.

  95. The Big Picture
    July 13, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    TimH says:
    July 12, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    “Could you be a little more specific. As a member of the development community, I fail to see where I would benefit from poverty wage jobs or any of the rest of what you are suggesting”.

    ********************************************************************

    A rhetorical question, right?

    If you want to double your investment on a brownfield by plopping a big box on it, Eureka, and Humboldt County tax payers will make it possible by subsidizing those additional poverty wage jobs through higher demands on food stamps, housing aid, Medi-Cal, and the emergency services that increase with poverty…drug abuse, crime, mental health and homelessness.

    Building subdivisions that 80% of local incomes are unqualified to buy is very profitable and still attractive to outside buyers.

    That unlucky 80% will eventually pay the unfunded infrastructure subsidies of thousands of dollars annually for every home and car added 10 miles outside city centers.

    There are sustainable, alternative models of growth…but they are not a part of the local development community’s agenda. Protecting their unfunded public subsidies is the primary reason our local developer “welfare queens” dominate local politics.

    If there’s another development community opposed to the status quo, they’re keeping a remarkably low profile.

  96. tra
    July 13, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    That unlucky 80% will eventually pay the unfunded infrastructure subsidies of thousands of dollars annually for every home and car added 10 miles outside city centers.

    So I guess by “the development community” you must be including the out-of-area developer Foster-Gill, which wants to put 1,400 new housing units and 200,000 square feet of retail space way out in Ridgewood.

    And Mark Lovelace, who has publicly advocated for that massive development, he’d have to be considered part of that “development community,” too, right?

    Don’t forget Kirk Girard, who thinks that massive development is a grand idea, and of course Bonnie Neeley, who received thousands of dollars in campaign cash from Foster-Gill.

  97. Anonymous
    July 13, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    ..not as “massive” as putting 1,400 new housing units on individual 40 acre parcels.

    Your obsession with Mark Lovelace is unhealthy.

  98. Not A Native
    July 13, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Foster-Gill isn’t in the good ole boy club who constitute ‘the development community’. FG actually threatens ‘the local development community’ by proposing a project that will create compact multi-use community that provides housing/work/shopping for a wide range of income levels. The ‘development community’ fears that if people have the option to choose that project, they will like it and it will become a desireable place to live. Samoa will have to follow suit too. When that happens, it will destroy ‘the development community’ business plan.

    The local developers want spot zoning on large remote parcels to create isolated homogenous neighborhoods. That strategy lets them dribble out piecemeal projects at minimum incremental design cost to them while causing large long term public infrastructure costs. It maximizes the amount they will realize for each acre of land by ‘segmenting’ residents into distinct markets, like a Monopoly board. Thats why they bitterly oppose inclusionary zoning. Sprawl and homogenity is ‘good’ for developers who sit on large parcels of exurbia land that is taxed a low rates. And that describes who ‘the development community’ are.

  99. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 12:00 am

    ..not as “massive” as putting 1,400 new housing units on individual 40 acre parcels.

    That will happen, or not happen, completely independent of whether Foster-Gill’s SmartSprawl subdivision gets built or not. People who want to live on 40 acres aren’t going to suddenly say “oh, hey, since there are these suburban-style housing units in that new subdivision up in Ridgewood, let’s move there instead.” Totally different market.

    So not building Foster-Gill’s mega development won’t cause more people to move to 40 acre parcels, and building it won’t prevent them from doing so.

    Your obsession with Mark Lovelace is unhealthy.

    For my part I’m a bit concerned about the kind of unhealthy obsession with Lovelace that some of his supporters/worshippers seem to have, to the extent that my passing mention of him in the above comment draws that sort of response.

    I simply stated a FACT, namely that Lovelace has publicly advocated for this massive development. For those who think this is a good kind of development that should be a plus, but in any event there’s little point to trying to argue that he didn’t advocate for this massive suburban development way out in Ridgewood — he did. In my opinion, that makes him a part of the “development community,” just as Foster-Gill itself is.

  100. Anonymous
    July 14, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Inserting your irrelevant “fact” about Lovelace in the first place demonstrates your obsession. Your continuing to harp on it and assuming anyone “worships” Mr. Lovelace borders on delusion.

  101. The Big Picture
    July 14, 2011 at 1:01 am

    I heard Lovelace drives a gas hog, I guess he’s part of the petroleum community too.

  102. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Oh, so you are the person who gets to decide which facts are relevant and which aren’t? Good to know!

    Meanwhile, better check your own obsession-meter, it seems a bit odd that you are so upset at my this mild criticism of Mr. Lovelace, if you can even call it that.

    The “worshippers” comment was in jest…but now I’m starting to wonder!

  103. The Big Picture
    July 14, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    TRA:

    Given a choice, driving a gas hog is a mistake.

    So is Ridgewood Village sprawl and the Marina Center’s big boxes.

    NAN is correct about Ridgewood Village, however, this is how we should have been developing decades ago in our blighted cities. Supporting Ridgewood Village’s Smart Growth aspects does not make well-intentioned, but seriously erred, politicians part of the development community that dominates local politics.

    Neely was the first local rep I can ever recall that actually held a good
    ol’ boy developer accountable, (Bareilles). He’s now a convicted felon and Neely paid the price.

    Acting as if you don’t know who/what the development community refers to, having occasionally visited this blog, is seriously disingenuous.

    Or, will you also excuse that as “jest”?

  104. wrecks
    July 14, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    People should screen shot this pick and others before its taken down to make Rex electable http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=204224719620951&set=a.103141576395933.2158.100001002741602&type=1&theater

  105. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Well I guess you can take the position that a huge developer like Foster-Gill is somehow not part of the “development community,” and that the politicians who have fronted for that developer (like Lovelace), and those who got many thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from that developer (like Neeley) are somehow not part of the “development community,” but we’ll just have to disagree on that.

    I certainly know what most people are talking about when they mention “developers” and “the development community” on this blog. I just think it’s hypocritical, and a bit silly, to apply those labels to certain local developers and their supporters but not to the developer who is proposing what would be by far the largest suburban subdivision project in the county.

  106. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    wrecks,

    What is it about that photo that you think would make Rex “unelectable?” The plastic cup? The satirical T-shirt? The hand gesture? (Perhaps you’re assuming that’s some kind of gang sign, but to me it looks like the ubiquitous friendly gesture of Hawaiian origin).

  107. Not A Native
    July 14, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    tra slanders, then when caught says its ‘in jest’. Just like a High School punk. He’s a poseur who hates Lovelace for attempting to change Humboldt culture away from rampant resource extraction and exploitation by self proclaimed and righteous ‘little’ people seeking personal fortunes by predating on the environment.

    The big lie tra spouts is that 1400 residences clustered within 390 acres has more environmental inpact than the default HumCo alternative.

    And if you look at the Forster Gill plan, it has 815 multiple units and large areas of open common space. The sort of people attracted to and enjoying that lifestyle are exactly the kind tra doesn’t want more of in HumCo. And they’re exactly the kind of people HumCo needs more of.

  108. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    tra slanders, then when caught says its ‘in jest’

    You think referring to “supporters/worshipers of Lovelace” is “slander?” Better check the definition of slander, you’re off by a country mile.

    He’s a poseur who hates Lovelace…

    I don’t “hate” Lovelace at all. I think he’s a smart guy, well-intentioned, and someone who has done some real good for the county, especially with the Sunny Brae Forest, and in his pre-Healthy Humboldt work with Humboldt Watershed Council, holding Hurwitz’s feet to the fire, and reaching out to timber workers to help them understand how they’d been played by Hurwitz and Maxxam.

    For that matter, I even think that Healthy Humboldt brings a legitimate point of view to the land-use debate, providing a useful counterpoint to the more extreme idealogues on the other side of some of the issues. At the same time, I do disagree with some of what I see as HH’s more extreme, rigidly dogmatic, and (I believe) counter-productive positions, particularly their insistence on a requiring an expensive, time-consuming and unreliable discretionary permit process for folks who just want to build their own home on their own rural parcel.

    And even there I don’t think their intent is evil, I think they are just misguided on that point (and some others) and perhaps a bit too surrounded by their own like-minded supporters to consider other points of view. It’s not an uncommon problem, I see the same thing among many in the HumCPR crowd. On both sides there are an awful lot of people who seem a little too convinced that their side is completely 100% unquestionably right on all issues, and that the other side is not just 100% wrong about everything, but is in fact animated purely by evil intentions and/or raw self-interest.

    Over-sensitive True-Believer type supporters, who bristle at even the mildest criticisms of their preferred politicians and explode in seething anger at any difference of opinion, spewing paranoid, all-encompassing dark visions of evil ogres on the opposing side hatching dastardly plots against the virtuous knights-in-shining-armor on their own side — well, that’s just another symptom of this immature brand of politics.

    Such black and white thinking belies the actual nuance that is part and parcel of the real world, forcing the black/white thinkers to take absurd positions like championing a massive suburban subdivision far away from the city center as “smart growth” simply because the proper buzzwords are deployed, the favored politicians have given their blessing and/or received funds from the developer and the disfavored politicians and organizations have stated their oppositon.

    Truth be told, the Foster-Gill development would be neither the smart-growth utopia it’s most ardent supporters portray, nor would it be the hellish blight it’s most vociferous detractors describe. It’s just another suburban subdivision (albeit a very large one), with some plusses (some retail on site, some open space) and some minuses (big traffic impacts and infrastructure demands) for the surrounding community and the neighboring City.

    It’s a proposed development designed by the developer to maximize the amount of profit that they can squeeze out of their land, just as other members of the development community do. Believe the hype if you want, but that’s all it is — hype.

  109. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    The big lie tra spouts is that 1400 residences clustered within 390 acres has more environmental inpact than the default HumCo alternative.

    The big lie (or at least big misunderstanding) is the mistaken belief that somehow those 1,400 residential units being built will be instead of rather than mostly in addition to more spacious types of housing that will continue to be built in the county. People who want to live on 10 acres or 40 or 160 acres aren’t likely to cancel their plans to do that and instead move into a townhouse or a tiny-lot home at Foster-Gill instead.

    And if you look at the Forster Gill plan, it has 815 multiple units and large areas of open common space.

    That’s fine, but you’re still talking about 1,400 more households way out in Ridgewood, adding many thousands of car-trips per day on just a couple of already busy streets, including streets that have to be maintained by the City of Eureka, though the subdivision lies outside the city limits and will not pay anything to the city to help offset that burden. (The potential loss of retail tax revenue and the uncompensated road maintenance costs to the City of Eureka were among the reasons cited by Larry Glass as the reasons for his publicly-stated opposition to Foster-Gill’s plans. I wonder if NAN would include Larry in her condemnation of anyone who dares question the magical wonderland that the Foster-Gill subdivision is supposed to be? Uh-oh, cognitive dissonance warning — if anyone who dares question the wisdom of the Foster-Gill plan is an evil, greedy, resource-destroying good-ol’ boy developer, and yet Larry Glass is among those questioning the wisdom of the Foster-Gill plan, then the Larry Glass must be part of the vast “development community” conspiracy to ruin everything that is good and noble, right? Have fun working that one out.)

    As I stated above, there are some potentially beneficial features in their plan, such as open space, some at-least-somewhat-affordable units, some retail space on site, walking trails and so on. But the “live and work” and “mixed-use” rhetoric is a laughable exaggeration — 1,400 households, in other words more than 2,000 adults, aren’t going to be employed in the handful of shops operating there — the vast majority will be commuting to Eureka, Arcata, McKinleyville, Fortuna, and so on for work and for all kinds of services.

    In that sense, it’s just another suburban subdivision, except that the developer has been clever enough to deploy all the right buzzwords, threw in a few bells and whistles, and to top it off, tried to grease the wheels by giving thousands of dollars to Bonnie Neeley (who, unfortunately for the developer, lost her re-election campaign in a landslide despite near-universal name recognition, all the benefits of incumbency, and plenty of money).

  110. Plain Jane
    July 14, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    So where would YOU approve an additional 1400 homes over the next 30 years,Tra?

  111. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    The sort of people attracted to and enjoying that lifestyle are exactly the kind tra doesn’t want more of in HumCo. And they’re exactly the kind of people HumCo needs more of.

    You mean the kind of people who would move all the way to Humboldt County just to live in the same kind of bland, corporate-style suburban shopping center / housing subdivision that they could find in any of a thousand other suburbs throughout Anyplace, USA?

    I’m not sure who those people would be, but they’re welcome to it, if that’s what they want. As long as they don’t come in with the arrogant attitude that now that they’re here they should get to decide how everyone else here gets to live, well then for my part I’m more than happy to live and let live.

  112. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    So where would YOU approve an additional 1400 homes over the next 30 years,Tra?

    If you’re talking about people who want relatively dense suburban housing with a bit of open space around it, then I think maybe 1/2 that number at the Foster-Gill property would reduce the burden on the surrounding neighborhood, on the traffic situation, and on the city of Eureka. Of course cutting the number of units in half would not be as profitable for Foster-Gill, but since they designed their plans out of the goodness of their hearts and with the well-being of the community foremost in their minds, and certainly not just to maximize profits, that shouldn’t be a problem. ;)

    Beyond that, the county says there are plenty of buildable parcels near Garberville, and there’s certainly room for actual infill including some multi-family housing in lots of places, even in lovely Sunny Brae (hint, hint).

    And as you know, I’m not opposed to some additional folks having the opportunity to live in our more rural areas — though even without drastic new restrictions I doubt that we’ll be seeing some kind of massie rural land rush, given the declining market price of cannabis and the rising cost of gas.

  113. tra
    July 14, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    If a lot fewer residential units in places like Arcata, Sunny Brae, McKinleyville, Eureka and Fortuna were filled up with energy-wasting indoor grows and instead could be occupied by actual families, that, too would go a long way towards meeting the demand for in-town housing, without requiring a bunch of new raw land at the outskirts being converted to new residences.

    (Seems like that ought to be something that both the Healthy Humboldt and HumCPR folks could agree on, if they weren’t so busy demonizing one another, the one group disingenuously and laughably portraying a single house on a 160 acre parcel as “converting resource lands to residential” and the other group disingenously and laughably portraying McKinleyville and Cutten/Ridgewood as still being “rural.”)

    Of course how to bring about that transition from residential spaces being wasted on indoor grows, to those residences being available for actual residents , is not all that clear. If there’s anyone out there who believes that Arcata’s anti-residential grow ordinance has actually cut down on the number of indoor residential grows in Arcata, I haven’t met that person yet. But if the current downward trend in pot prices continues at its current pace, that problem may well solve itself, as the high overhead costs of indoor residential growing begin to make that choice a much less profitable one.

    I’ve already heard some rumblings that sales of new lighting systems may have peaked and may be beginning to head downward, as newbies who don’t yet have the equipment or an already paid-for (or partially-paid-for) house are deciding that trying to get into “the biz” starting from scratch may not pencil out. I don’t know if that’s a real trend or not, I’ve just heard some anecdotes. So far the grow stores still appear to be doing a brisk business, though my impression is that the explosion in the number of those stores has kind of leveled off. I did notice that the one that was across from the Arcata Co-op for a while has moved out to a smaller (and I assume cheaper) location over by Westwood.

  114. Anonymous
    July 15, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Can someone post the pic from the facebook link above? It says you have to log in and some of us don’t have or want accounts.

  115. The Big Picture
    July 15, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Unfortunately, you don’t have to go far into the past, or outside CA, to understand how those:

    “Over-sensitive True-Believer type supporters, who bristle at even the mildest criticisms of their preferred politicians and explode in seething anger at any difference of opinion, spewing paranoid, all-encompassing dark visions of evil ogres on the opposing side hatching dastardly plots against the virtuous knights-in-shining-armor on their own side — well, that’s just another symptom of this immature brand of politics.”

    “type of people” are often dead-on target. And it is out of those conflicts that our nation’s environmental regulations were born…and most of our other social, political and economic advances.

    People abuse the land and each other until it’s too late or until they lose their “rights” to do so.

    What’s happening here began in the hills of SoCal 75 years ago, albeit a slower pace, until their water sources collapsed and bio-diversity along with it.

    Having visited dozens of Humboldt’s remote homesteads over the last 40 years I can guarantee that this history is being repeated and under-reported, as it has throughout the world.

  116. Plain Jane
    July 15, 2011 at 11:31 am

    You are glossing over the fact that in order for people to buy homes they must either be well employed or retired. The employed will drive to work from all of the available buildable land and it doesn’t matter if they are driving 2 miles into Arcata (or 10 into Eureka) from Sunnybrae or 2 miles into Eureka from Ridgewood. Why would you change the zoning on land that people don’t want to develop (Sunnybrae) but refuse it for land that the owner wants to develop? The impact of 1400 homes on the infrastructure and resources are the same, but the lot splits and little subdivisions won’t pay extra for the necessary upgrades and Forster-Gill will – if they are allowed to increase the density allowed in their zone while leaving a large share of their property undeveloped as well as provide a grocery store and other neighborhood conveniences that would serve not only the Forster-Gill residents, but the thousands of people who now have to drive several miles to buy even a carton of milk.

  117. July 15, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Eureka in 2010 issued three (3) permits for the construction of new single family residences. It will take up to 5,000 years to replace Eureka’s single family homes at that rate. Clearly something is distorting the marketplace in Eureka.

    Even though recent new construction in Eureka has been impacted by the housing collapse, still Eureka averaged only about 15 new units a year for the last 15 years – right through the housing bubble.

    This is not nearly enought to replace the existing stock let alone provide even modest growth.

    So what is distorting the market in Eureka?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  118. Anonymous
    July 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    @9:04 Trevor Bohn deleted his facebook account. I wonder if anyone saved any of those pictures.

  119. TimH
    July 15, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    A rhetorical question, right?

    If you want to double your investment on a brownfield by plopping a big box on it, Eureka, and Humboldt County tax payers will make it possible by subsidizing those additional poverty wage jobs through higher demands on food stamps, housing aid, Medi-Cal, and the emergency services that increase with poverty…drug abuse, crime, mental health and homelessness.

    Building subdivisions that 80% of local incomes are unqualified to buy is very profitable and still attractive to outside buyers.

    That unlucky 80% will eventually pay the unfunded infrastructure subsidies of thousands of dollars annually for every home and car added 10 miles outside city centers.

    There are sustainable, alternative models of growth…but they are not a part of the local development community’s agenda. Protecting their unfunded public subsidies is the primary reason our local developer “welfare queens” dominate local politics.

    If there’s another development community opposed to the status quo, they’re keeping a remarkably low profile.

    I would like to understand these “unfunded public subsidies”. Are you saying that employers who pay minimum wage are driving the wages down? What were those potential employees doing before? They will leave their high paying jobs to work at a big box? I don’t see why anyone would do that.

    Also, where does this “80% of local incomes are unqualified” come from and what would the other people who move here do once they buy a house the locals couldn’t afford?

    What infrastructure is unfunded when a home is added 11 miles from a city center?

    Thanks.

  120. Anonymous
    July 15, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Minimum wage workers use more public subsidized services that at minimum include health care and transportation. When a home is added 11 miles from town there are costs for more fire, medical and emergency services, and county roads. All of these cost more per capita than in areas closer to services.

  121. July 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Here’s something to think about.

    It is pretty standard thinking around here that indoor grow houses are displacing people out of housing. As an advocate for affordable housing this does distress me to the extent that it is true.

    But how true is it? Rents are high here because lots of landlords want to rent to growers. Growers are the only ones who can afford the rents on some of these places. Some of these landlords bought their properties as an “investment” during the late lamented housing bubble and are now underwater on their properties. They have the choice of renting them out to growers or going bankrupt. Not surprisingly, not many are choosing bankruptcy.

    In addition to that there are a lot of houses in Eureka simply sitting empty. Some of these are foreclosures, some are walkaways (even banks are walking away these days). The tax code gives certain property owners incentives not to rent. (Those that have other gains to offset for example.) I bet there are a dozen vacant homes within four or five blocks of where I live in central Eureka.

    And finally most indoor pot grows in Arcata and Eureka are not in rentals, but are owner operated. These are people (your neighbors, friends and customers) who are paying there mortgages by growing pot. Rental pot grows are few in comparison.

    Eliminating these grows will not lead to more rentals, but to more foreclosures, more blight, and will drive down the general rental income for landlords and drive down property values even further.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  122. July 15, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    What are you angling for, Anonymous 3:05? Guilt by association? Like the finger-wagging “4th Street Connection” scum bag who keeps bringing up Rex’s bar (from 30 years ago), you’re a pathetic simpleton if you think that your posts will gain any traction.

  123. Timh
    July 15, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Anon 4:47, I don’t understand. So, big box comes to town and they bring a bunch of low wage earners to the area? Or people who were previously highly paid switch jobs and get on all kinds of public programs? I mean, what were these people doing before the big box showed up? It seems unlikely to me that they all just decided to take a wage cut and get on medi Cal. I seriously doubt anybody would move here for a minimum wage job.

    I don’t buy into the increased costs for fire and medical for Humboldt County. Major metro areas, I agree. We are rural and if you add people to say, Fieldbrook, how does that increase the fire or road costs per capita for fieldbrook? Wouldnt it decrease on a per capita basis? Are they going to buy another truck and hire somebody new because somebody builds a new house? You are saying services are more efficient per capita with a more dense population but increasing the density in other areas decreases efficiency. Which is it?

  124. July 15, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Tim,

    Most of the worker displacement comes not from “highly paid” workers but from workers who were previously employed by small family independent businesses who are driven out of business by the big box. So a previous employee (or owner) of say Ace Hardware or Myrtletown Lumber (put out of business by Home Depot) might work at Home Depot in the same field but at lower wages and less benefits.

    This kind of displacement happens. It is beyond dispute.

    Working for a small family business won’t get you rich but you might survive without accessing government social services. Big box employees require social services to survive. Few of them have health care for instance.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  125. High Finance
    July 15, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Nonsense. The Home Depot employee is more likely to have benefits that the small local employer could not afford to give.

    Things like paid vacations, health insurance, retirement benefits and the like are much more common in larger companies.

    And no landlord with an IQ over room temperature “wants” to rent to grow house dopers. The damage to their rentals can be huge. There are plenty of law-abiding tenants to rent to out there. The last thing landlords want are destructive tenants.

  126. Anonymous
    July 15, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    “We are rural and if you add people to say, Fieldbrook, how does that increase the fire or road costs per capita for fieldbrook? Wouldnt it decrease on a per capita basis?”

    If your population served was only Fieldbrook, that would be true. But for a county officer to service someone in McKinleyville from the substation is less time consuming and thus less costly than in Fieldbrook. The same is true for fire and medical. We all pay into these services but it costs more to serve people farther out.

  127. July 15, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Hi Finance,

    If what you said was true, no one could afford to be (or want to be) a small business person.

    Family businesses employ familiies, sons in law, neices, brothers etc and most of them you will want to get insurance for or you will not be well thought of in your family. People working for family businesses get vacations. Are you kidding?

    I thought you Republicans were supposed to be supporters of small business. Not! Just corporate shills. You are planting your boot on the neck of the American Dream.

    Let’s just put together a list of the local Eureka businesses who will be forced OUT of business when Home Depot arrives. I will start with ACE Hardware in Henderson Center. They won’t have a chance. Anyone else want to add to the list? I think when the list reaches 50 or so Home Depot will be done.

    Local Business that will be forced out by Home Depot:

    1. Ace Hardware……Henderson Center

  128. Tip
    July 15, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    2. Baykeeper

  129. July 15, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Highboldtage is probably right. People will still pop into their local Ace for a piece of threaded pvc pipe, or to get a key made, but if they need to make a purchase of over five bucks, they’ll be off to Home Depot.

    And, gosh, according to High Finance, we’ll all be happy to be employed at Home Depot.

  130. Another Censored Story
    July 15, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Despite our slow growth, Eureka needs $100 million today to update its waste water infrastructure not counting the Martin Slough Interceptor or expansion of the Elk River WWTP.

    The unbridled greed that profited from over-priced subdivisions did so with unfunded infrastructure subsidies with the bill due NOW.

    I’ve read the Ridgewood Village EIR. It will pay a fraction of its infrastructure impacts, just like the local development community has gotten away with for a generation.

    THAT’S WHY THE GOOD OL’ DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ARE MAD, WHEN IT’S THE PUBLIC THAT SHOULD BE!

  131. High Finance
    July 16, 2011 at 9:00 am

    “but if they need to make a purchase of over five bucks, they’ll be off to Home Depot.”

    Why is that Joel ?

    What you fail to understand Bill, is that Republicans believe in freedom. Freedom from a government that tells us where we can shop.

  132. July 16, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I wish I knew the answer, HiFi. I suppose that it’s for the same reason that the smart shoppers will drive down to Costco to save eight cents per gallon. If they have a big twenty-gallon tank, they’ve saved a dollar sixty. Then they go spend three bucks on a cup of coffee at Starbucks to reward themselves for their frugality.

  133. July 16, 2011 at 9:41 am

    High Finance,

    I am a centrist on the Home Depot issue. While I understand that a Home Depot will be somewhat destructive of the local economy I also recognize that a portion of the population locally wants the option of shopping there and I think their right to shop should be respected.

    I think that the proposed Marina Center with a Home Depot anchoring the Balloon Tract is a very bad idea. Let’s put the Home Depot down at the Bayshore Mall where the infrastructure is already built out, if we must have a Home Depot.

    I don’t think a Home Depot will put Pierson out of business, but it will definitely put some smaller local competitors out of business.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  134. July 16, 2011 at 9:44 am

    And Hi Fi,

    As long as we are talking freedom, how about my freedom as a 215 patient to purchase legally my medicine locally right here in Eureka?
    It seems to me that the hold up is because of you freedom loving Republicans, isnt it?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  135. July 16, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Don’t forget the Democrats, Highboldtage.

  136. High Finance
    July 16, 2011 at 11:19 am

    For 99.99% of us, pot is not a medicine Bill, it is a recreational drug. There is a societal and a humanitarian interest to protect the weak from themselves and to keep them from hurting themselves.

    All you have to do is go to Old Town or by St Vincent DePaul at any time of the day and see the damage drugs have done to society and the cost that all of us pay. Other drugs are worse of course, that does not mean pot is benign.

  137. Ed
    July 16, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Us? HiFi? Say it isn’t so.

  138. July 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yes, Joel, there are the Lawn Order Democrats who are desperately protecting the jobs of their unionize idrug cops and prison guards. I get it.

    I am all for public employees making a decent living, but these cop and prison guard unions balk at any reform that will lower their membership, even if it involves stepping on the natural rights of others.

    The security state and the military are the two areas the two major parties agree on that’s why we have massive military spending and the largest by far prison population on the planet.

    And HI Fi? The “weak must be protected from themselves?” Can you spell NANNY STATE? Or does that only apply to business regulations?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  139. July 16, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    HiFi supports a “nanny state.”

  140. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    I just hope it’s not a “The Nanny” state. Fran Drescher’s voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard!

  141. July 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    “For 99.99% of us, pot is not a medicine … it is a recreational drug.”

    And for 99% of us, it’s none of your business, HiFi.

  142. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    But whiskey is just for the taste, of course, not a way to get a buzz.

  143. July 16, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    HiFi never drinks (unless he’s alone or with somebody) so he wouldn’t know about ‘recreational drugs’.
    Down at the Mission it’s good old John Barleycorn above all. MJ is mostly a bit player.
    Your powers of observation are slipping, HiFi Old Boy.

  144. High Finance
    July 16, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Such lack of compassion for the down fallen and the about to be down fallen !

    I guess I am more compassionate than most of you are.

  145. Inventing Statistics
    July 16, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    High Finance says:
    July 16, 2011 at 11:19 am
    For 99.99% of us, pot is not a medicine…it is a recreational drug.”
    This claim does not pass the muster of a 5th Grade debate class. So sad that critical thinking skills are so poor in contemporay society. And also the tendency to exagerate and spin hyperbole to further a political agenda.

  146. Inventing Statistics
    July 16, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    contemporary

  147. Not A Native
    July 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I see rum and whiskey flavoring in desserts(rum raisin ice cream anyone) and barbeque(Jack Daniels) sauces. There’s no alcohol in those products.

    Never seen any pot(or tobacco) flavored anything, But there’s cherry flavored tobacco(and rum soaked cigars) and cookies and brownies with pot in them. All designed to mask the bad taste of the addicting ingredient.

    Someone claiming they like pot for the taste is simply expressing their addiction and( like a Pavlov dog) simply associates the taste with getting high.

  148. Ed
    July 16, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Oh boy! A compassion pissing contest!

  149. High Finance
    July 16, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    This is a blog you pompus “Inventing Statistics”, not a scientific journal. The point was made and the point is correct.

    Exactly NAN, exactly.

  150. July 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Hee hee. HiFi makes a valid point.

  151. July 16, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    So Hi Fi,

    You think it is compassionate to lock some one up for using an herb?

    That’s kind of like saving people by killing them.

    When you get panhandled for a couple bucks it is more likely for alcohol than anything else.

    There is no physical addiction to marijuana. That is just a lie.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  152. Pa Kettle
    July 16, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    High Finance says:

    All you have to do is go to Old Town or by St Vincent DePaul at any time of the day and see the damage drugs have done to society and the cost that all of us pay.

    You don’t have to go to St. Vincents, all you have to do is walk into City Hall to see the damage that alcohol has done to society and the cost that alcohol imposes on us all. Sad.

    If you want to improve city government install a breathalyzer at city hall and make its use mandatory several times a day. No more liquid lunches.

  153. July 16, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    The Destroyed by Home Depot list:

    1. Ace Hardware Henderson
    2. Myrtletown Lumber Myrtletown
    3. Platt Electrical Koster
    4. Thrifty Plumbing W. Washington
    5.

    Do you think that Home Depot in Eureka will carry marijuana grow supplies? If so we can add a half dozen small local businesses to the list.

    And if the rumors are true we can start an Destroyed by Wal Mart list:

    1. Roys Supermarket
    2. Cloney’s Pharmacy Old Town
    3.

    Please feel free to chime in with your suggestions.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  154. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    People use cannabis for relaxation, or for inebriation, or for the reduction of suffering due to physical or mental injury or illness, and — at least to some extent for heavy users — to avoid the symptoms of withdrawl from their psychological addiction. I’m very doubtful that anyone really uses cannabis just for the taste alone. That being said, some cannabis certainly does taste (and smell) a whole lot better than other stuff.

    Meanwhile, people use alcohol for relaxation, or for inebriation, or for the reduction of suffering due to physical or mental injury or illness, and — in the case of serious alcoholics — to avoid the symptoms of withdrawl from their physical and psychological addiction. Certainly some alcohols taste a whole lot better than others, and that’s certainly part of the appeal of drinking high-quality products rather than the cheap stuff…but I have my doubts that very much alcohol (if any) is consumed ONLY for the taste.

    Personally I think the most important difference is that alcohol is much more addictive, including physical addiction, much more harmful to health when used in excess, and certainly costs many, many more illnesses and deaths due to long-term usage (cirhosis of the liver being one obvious example), binge usage (alcohol poisoning), interpersonal conflict (drunken fights and alcohol-fueled domestic violence being two prime examples) and of course due to drunk-driving accidents.

    In a fascinating example of culture and prejudice trumping both science and common sense, the much more harmful substance remains legal and the much more benign substance remaims illegal.

  155. Ed
    July 16, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Another difference TRA, has to do with the nature of the effects, MJ dosage is largely self-restricting, whereas alcohol intake usually makes the user want more.

  156. July 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    There are four uses of cannabis: Religious or spiritual, medicinal, recreational and for fiber. Any one of these four uses is ancient and honorable.

    Cannabis has been used this way by humans at least as long as alcohol. It is reasonable to assume that use of alcohol arose with human transition to a city-agrarian culture in Mesopotamia, India China, and Egypt because that is when grain and fruit surpluses became available for larger scale fermentation.

    One might even speculate that some sort of medication is required by humans in order to survive the unnatural crowed life in the city.

    Wine and beer are ancient. Cannabis use is ancient as well, at least 4,000 years ago.

    Distillation is to alcohol as heroin is to poppies or crack is to coca leaves. You take a 3 percent beer or 10 percent wine and distill it down to something that can kill you easily. Gin was first distilled in England just a few hundred years ago. Before that beer and wine were regarded more as food than as anything else, largely because it was drinkable (potable) and didn’t spoil under normal circumstances.

    There were drunks in England before there was gin, but gin took it to a whole new level.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  157. Not A Native
    July 16, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Well at least agreement is that people take pot to get high, not because it tastes good. But of course, when the good taste lie is exposed, the deniers try draw attention away from their lie by immediately seguing to another tall tale. Pot isn’t sanctioned because it tastes bad.

    Kinda the opposite of Star Kist and Charlie the tuna. Growers don’t want pot that tastes good, they want customers with bad taste. Hee Hee

    And BTW its not about compassion for the ill. Like the song goes, ‘A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down’. If someone is truly using pot medicinally, I’m all in favor of their being able to mask the bad taste with good flavors. I’m all for helping glaucoma and chemo patients.

  158. July 16, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I don’t use cannabis for the taste I use it for pain relief and as an antidepressant and as an aid to overcoming ptsd. It does pretty well at all three, although I would say it does not cure these problems it ameliorates the conditions.

    That being said,last fall I was gifted some wonderful Blueberry and Blue Dream that was organically grown outdoors in the Triangle.

    Best tasting cannabis EVER.

    The Red Dragon and the Skunk #1 tasted pretty damned good too.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  159. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Isn’t 73,000 square feet a bit small for a Wal-Mart?

    If I recall correctly, I believe the Foster-Gill plan calls for 200,000 square feet of retail. Once it’s zoned for retail, what would stop them from putting in a WalMart or some other Big Box up there if they wanted to? Sure would be ironic if the “Smart-Grow” fans ended up faciltating a Big Box up there. BigSmartBox?

  160. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Okay, for purposes of comparison, the Target store at the north end of Eureka is 126,000 square feet.

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/040303/news0403.html#anchor494055

    Hmmm.

  161. July 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    BENTONVILLE, Ark. — Wal-Mart Stores here is likely to begin testing a smaller, urban-oriented format within the next few months that’s based on aspects of some of the smaller stores it operates in Latin America, industry observers told SN last week.

    Most said they expect the stores to fall into the 20,000-square-foot range, with one analyst predicting Wal-Mart has the long-term potential to open between 350 and 400 small-format stores a year in the U.S. for the next 10 years.

    Wal-Mart executives are scheduled to disclose specific plans for the smaller units at an analysts meeting here for Oct. 13.

    Dave Marcotte, director of retail insights for Kantar Retail, Cambridge, Mass., said Wal-Mart will probably open the first group of smaller-format stores in the urban Midwest or the West, “where it is under-represented with supercenters, rather than in an area like the Southeast, where it already has a dominant supercenter presence.”

    “California and Nevada are especially attractive because of the weak economies right now and the severely depressed commercial real estate that’s available,” he added.

    http://urlet.com/strategic.room

  162. July 16, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    “It is certainly not the first time that the topic of Wal-Mart opening small stores has come up, but a Financial Times report that the retailer is scouting locations between 20,000 and 50,000 square-feet in markets across the country has many people thinking this move could be a game changer.

    Speculation has Wal-Mart opening more of its Neighborhood Market grocery formats along with its smaller Marketside by Walmart concept. Typical Neighborhood Markets have run about 42,000 square-feet, but the company is testing smaller 20,000 square-foot versions in the Southwest, along with 10,000 square-foot Marketside stores, which are more akin to large convenience stores. The company is said to be looking at new locations in Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Reno, Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay area. ”

    http://urlet.com/replica.minuscule

  163. July 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Too bad Trevor Bohn was bullied by people on this anonymous blog to take down his expression of free speech on Facebook. Whether you agree with him or not (I don’t) it is a shameful untransparent doing behind a curtain of hateful people on this blog. Seems that the anonymous “progressives” on this blog are huge hypocrites.

    Just saying. Now you anonymous wieners on Heraldo can spew more hate and venom to the messenger. Not cool.

  164. Pitchfork
    July 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Wal-Mart appears to be planning a huge addition to the gottchalks building, 4.5 million dollars worth. This is going to be a super store with groceries.

  165. Ben
    July 16, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    New enemy rather than Arkley.

  166. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    There was nothing in the Times-Standard article about a “huge addition.” They just said that the company (Wal-Mart or otherwise) was “moving into” the 73,000 square foot Gottshalks building.

    There was mention of a building permit, but it didn’t say whether that was for interior renovations or some kind of addition.

    $4.6 million does sound like a lot just for interior renovations. On the other hand, it sounds like way too little for a “huge addition.”

    One thing is clear — there’s a whole lotta speculation going on right now, but we don’t have very many actual verified facts yet.

  167. pattycakes
    July 16, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    If you’re going to run for public office, or be a public figure, as Rex aspires to, you better be ready for what comes your way. Rex knows better than anyone the politics in this town, and he has been a part of the good side and the nasty side. Trevor is collateral damage, but it shouldn’t be a surprise. There are nasty trolls born and bred here, from both the liberal and conservative sides of the bed.

  168. July 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    “There are nasty trolls …”

    Yes, and we should condemn them, whether or not they are on our side of the political fence.

  169. Plain Jane
    July 16, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    A few anonymous posts mentioning Trevor Bohn’s FB page (which, btw garnered little interest) is bullying? And Heraldo and the progressives are to blame because…?

  170. Anonymous
    July 16, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    It seems to me that the only people that bullied Trevor to take down his facebook page were Rex’s campaign team.

  171. tra
    July 16, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    I think Richard is referring to this comment..

    https://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/bohn-kicks-off-campaign-for-supervisor/#comment-147377

    …and one or two that followed on that same theme.

    But I’m having a hard time seeing why two or three anonymous comments on this blog thread should have has anyone worried enough to ask the kid to take the picture down (assuming he didn’t just delete it on his own for unrelated reasons). I guess it was probably just out of a desire to keep the kid from being targeted for any further stupid politically-motivated abuse, whether that was really likely to happen or not — in other words it was probably taken down “out of an abundance of caution.”

    Personally I didn’t quite get what the big deal with the picture was supposed to be. The plastic cup, which may or may not have had beer in it? The satirical t-shirt? The hand gesture? Was there something I missed?

    And anyway, I suppose if there was an issue, then the damage was already done, since whoever posted that comment no doubt took a screenshot of that photo and still has it. But so what? It wasn’t Rex, it was his teenage kid, and the kid was clowning around and posing for a photo, the way teenage kids will do. Big deal. It’s not like he was posing with an Uzi and a crack pipe for crying out loud.

    Anyone who actually tried to use that photo in the campaign would have come off as petty, personal, and out-of-bounds for targeting the candidate’s kid, and would probably have ended up hurting their own candidate much more than they would have hurt Rex.

  172. Inventing Statistics
    July 17, 2011 at 6:20 am

    High Finance says:
    July 16, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    “This is a blog you pompus “Inventing Statistics”, not a scientific journal.”

    Joel Mielke says:
    July 16, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    “Hee hee. HiFi makes a valid point.”

    So we can invent statistics to bolster our arguments just because this is a blog and not a scientific journal? That is the poorest logic I have read in a while. Arguments should be based on fact, not hyperbole. Then there’s your lacky Mielke who thinks your inability to think critically is valid. Tools of a feather cluck together.

  173. Plain Jane
    July 17, 2011 at 6:53 am

    I don’t get it either, Tra, and I don’t know why someone who felt they were being bullied over their FB pics wouldn’t just use the privacy tools provided and block all but friends’ access. I suspect people with a victim mentality see bullies everywhere, whether they exist or not.

  174. July 17, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I agree that “arguments should be based on fact, not hyperbole.” Perhaps Inventing-Statistics could endeavor to swallow his own bromide.

  175. High Finance
    July 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Mr Pompus, it doesn’t matter whether it is 99.99% or just 96.99% or even 93.99%, the gist of my post is still true.

    You’re just engaging in misdirection and doing a lousy job at it.

  176. Inventing Statistics
    July 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    High Fi and Mielke, call and return. Two sides of the same coin. Numbers don’t matter, just the opinions blowing out of their coin slots. Blow on Hi Fi, Blow on Mielke. ROTFLMAO !!

  177. July 17, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    We’re happy that you are so easily amused, Inventing-Statistics, and High Finance simply made up some numbers to bolster a fatuous “common sense” argument, but where are your “based on fact” arguments?

  178. Inventing Statistics
    July 17, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Joel. If America went to a debt counsellor, America would file for Bankrupcy. The “bailout” was a BK 13 of sorts, a complete re-organization including $7.7 trillion cash infusion (see Bloomberg.com) and a reduction of obligations to the middle class and poor Americans. Reagan, Clinton, and Bush (the idiot) all deregulated the banking industry which created an excess supply of easy money which created a real estate bubble. Since our economy is a consumer-based economy, we won’t be out of the recession until we can start consuming like zombies again – or – until we change to a different economy (not likely). All the while, the team of mules dragging America into the abyss blame each other (“Its the Demo team on the left, no its the Repo team on the right”). When in fact its a team of jackasses dragging America into a poor, broke, stupid existence. All the while, up and down the mule train starring at the south side of the next mule, are Mielke and High Fi, arrogant partisans who smugly assert their team is superior.
    Back to the thread. Bohn is a fine mule, he’ll do well on the “team”.

  179. July 17, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Was that so difficult, Inventing-Stats? I have no argument with the stupidity of banking deregulation, and the problems with sustainability of a debt-based consumer economy.

    I’d love to be a partisan, but which “side” would I be on? I attack Republicans more often than Democrats (because they really are more loathsome), but I find both parties on a national level to be awful. It’s a lonely existence. Sniff.

  180. Inventing Statistics
    July 18, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Joel. We all “agree” that politicians in Washington rank somewhere between attorneys and car salesman in the ‘ol ethics scale. “We” also consistantly poll that our local guy in Sacramento/Washington is okay. There’s some kind of social disconnect between these two polls. For you, I think, it is not a lonely existance. You have the comfort of your friends in the Democratic party and your local friends with whom you can laugh at the underclass on the West Side who are the product of an educatonal system which merely sorts people on their way into the machine and a society that no longer invest in its people (we’ve left that to the private sector). The “average” American believes as you “I have no argument with the stupidity of banking deregulation, and the problems with sustainability of a debt-based consumer economy.”, but like you, what have they done about it? Has one CEO been indicted? Where are the protest? We’ve been plundered by Wall Street, where is the outrage? What have you done other than have “no argument with the stupidity of banking deregulation”?

  181. July 18, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    “You have the comfort of your friends in the Democratic party and your local friends with whom you can laugh at the underclass on the West Side…”

    Wow. What a presumptuous and arrogant jackass.

  182. Wabash Willy
    July 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    High praise from Mr. Pompus Cartoonist.

  183. Wabash Willy
    July 18, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    And Joel. I have the advantage of having met you, so, I know what an arrogant stuck-up liberal you in fact are. Your snobby cartoons don’t help your elitist reputation much. I used to be a HSU liberal, but thanks to people like you, I tired of the hypocrisy and embraced no party affiliation. I don’t like the Republican party platform but I admire them for their honesty and straight-forwardness. They are unabashedly pro-business and will say so. Mealy-mouth liberals talk of a better world, but what has Obama done? What have the liberal Representatives and Senators done? Nothing! Most Americans spend 99% of their day sleeping, working, shopping, eating, and watching their TV/computer. In Arcata, all one needs to do is watch PBS and eat PC food and presto! The Arcata-American dream has come true. Same consuming zombie, different TV station.

  184. High Finance
    July 18, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Your post at 12.59pm makes you look very bad indeed Mr Pompus Inventing statistics.

  185. July 18, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Tsk, tsk. The real Wabash Willie isn’t a crybaby like the impostor (above).

  186. it doesn’t matter whether it is 99.99% or just 96.99% or even 93.99%
    July 18, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    High Finance says:
    July 18, 2011 at 2:08 pm
    Your post at 12.59pm makes you look very bad indeed Mr Pompus Inventing statistics.

    Joel Mielke says:
    July 18, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    Tsk, tsk. The real Wabash Willie isn’t a crybaby like the impostor (above).”

    I could not be more honored than to be disavowed by these two tools. Thank you.

  187. July 18, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Happy to oblige.

  188. July 19, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I think its i so ridiculous that anyone cares what Rex’s Son puts on his Facebook, what his pictures are. Or for that matter i think it is very childish and plain STUPID to involve any politician’s child in immature arguments. Get a life!! Argue about problems our counties faces or something more important then what his son does or says. Really?! not every person agrees with 100% of what their parents say. I don’t think Trevor should be brought into the ridiculous mud slinging. Trevor is a nice guy and should be left the eff alone!

  189. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I agree with Rose. However, I didn’t see any mudslinging at Trevor Bohn. Was it deleted?

  190. tra
    July 19, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    I agree 100%, Rose.

  191. Anonymous
    July 19, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Maybe someone could ask Trevor who told to take down his facebook page. I bet it wasn’t Heraldo.

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