OWNED: Jefferson School

The Westside Community Improvement Association closed the deal on Jefferson School Wednesday afternoon.

Press release:

Today is a day for Eureka to celebrate. After over 3 years of adapting, changing growing, and evolving, the Westside Community Improvement Association leaps over a hurdle most would have considered impossible. We now own Jefferson School! The sale was final and closed today at 3:50 pm. The board members are elated but realize the extent of the task at hand.

How often will we get the opportunity to make a difference of this magnitude? This is the project of our lives: we can not afford not to do it. This is a community project, and we are going to need the help of the entire community.

Through the purchase process the outpouring of professional support was unequaled. Even in this economy, tradesmen and professionals reached out and donated their time and their services. We are so incredibly grateful for the community support.

We are posting the names of the companies that have donated services with the confidence that people in the community will choose to support the businesses that support the community [see below].

Westside Community Improvement Association has a few events scheduled. First is an Unlocking Ceremony on Saturday August 6th at noon on the Playground the second event is a Rummage sale on Saturday August 27th at 9 am at the school. You can donate items for the sale by calling Sylvia Scott 445-4955.

You can also show your support by wearing an I’m In button (suggested donation $5), putting and I’m In sticker on your car ($10) or a sign in your window ($25 and up). To order, call WCIA’s new office at 444-2988 or send an email to lets.buy.jefferson@gmail.com

Thank you to all our supporters, let’s do this together!

Heidi Benzonelli and Lorene Dunaway
WCIA Board Members
OBD Plumbing WOW! Thank You Darrell! Darrell mapped all of the drainage and plumbing maze associated with draining a 20,000 square foot roof into a series of pipes, pumps and cisterns, figured it all out and wrote it down for us. He also inspected every toilet sink urinal drinking fountain and the whole kitchen. Identified all of the plumbing ADA deficiencies and made recommendations. Darrell spent 2 long days on a weekend inspecting Jefferson for FREE! Oh wait this is the same guy who did all the irrigation for the Unity Garden. Way to uphold your community! OBD Plumbing licensed and insured C36 triple A rated Better Business Bureau,1/2 hour rates 24 hour service available at (925) 989 0752 Darrell has a local number but this is what was in my phone and I know he picks it up.

T-and-T Roofing you guys rock THANK YOU T-and-T. Jerry donated his time to thoroughly inspect the roof and associated construction members for us, tediously went through every room tracing leaks, and and gave us an incredible estimate for roof repairs (an order of MAGNITUDE below other bids). Jerry, that is how you stay working in this economy! . Licensed Insured Triple A Better Business Bureau! 707-444-9061

Manhard Consulting, helped, advised, guided us, provided site plans, facilitated meetings with City Planning, helped us with the conditional use permitting timeline and cost estimate, has advised and mentored us through the CEQA process and is standing up as you small local community minded Engineering Firm THANK YOU PRAJ, ANGE and OWEN!!!!! 444-3800

McKeever Energy and Electric, Thanks Nate Mike and Jordan for the thorough inspection and fantastic report, what incredibly professional work!!! 822-0100

Richard Daly Inc. Attorney at Law and Stand Up Guy WOW they just dont make em like this anymore. Richard has stood beside us and advised us every step of the way through the process of purchase, due diligence and escrow. THANK YOU RICHARD.

Redwood Community Action Agency for keeping an eye on this budding non profit helping us establish real organizational structure, guiding us and leading us and helping us develop professional capacity to embark on the HUGE journey of improving our community.

Humboldt Area Foundation for being our fiscal agent and helping us collect donations before we were even a 501(c)(3).

Thanks to the groups above we closed this deal way way under expected budget and thank goodness because we have our work cut out for us!

There has also been an outpouring of financial support and volunteerism from the community. We are so incredibly grateful.

Please keep the tradesmen and professionals above in your mind when you need a plumber, roofer or electrician because when the economy sucked, they chose to give back to their community.

  1. Grampa Simpson
    July 20, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Another prediction of failure by HiFi comes crashing up against reality.

    Next fall-back position: “They’ll never raise the money for the renovations.”

    When that one bites the dust, it’ll be “They’ll never find enough tenants and collect enough rent to make it sustainable.”

    Then it’ll be complaining about the type of tenants.

    Meanwhile, as the old saying goes, nothing succeeds like success and these folks do seem to be on a roll.

  2. July 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Congratulations to Heidi and her group-talk about the Energizer Bunny!! That’s Heidi; don’t bet against her, ever. Best of luck, and I’m donating!

  3. Plain Jane
    July 20, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Victory is even sweeter when such daunting adversity has to be overcome. Congratulations to Heidi and all the dedicated Westsiders and community supporters who made this happen.

  4. Anonymous
    July 20, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Serious question. How, and in what way, will the building improve the neighborhood?

    The group needs a website (they’re free these days) that spells out the years-in-the-making plans the city council poo-poo’d. I keep seeing pleas for money, but have never seen the specific plans for the property. What am I being asked to support? I need more than a newspaper summary or long thread of back-and-forth bickering blog comments.

  5. July 20, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    And Dave Tyson can stuff it in his ear.

  6. tenth street dreamer
    July 20, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Great job in making this community project a reality. We all know that HiFi lives in an airtight bubble. He just can’t stand it when people of a different mind set succeed. So much for sour grapes.

  7. Not A Native
    July 20, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Best news of the month. I wonder if the ‘no’ votes on the city council have enough class to quietly show up for the unlocking ceremony.

  8. Jon Brooks
    July 20, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    My oldest boy, now a teacher at Zane, attended Jefferson, and played Sax in the school band there, circa 1977-80.

    I confess, I haven’t favored the idea of another non-profit/non-taxpaying organization buying real estate and keeping it off the tax rolls whilst our local govts are broke and the road to my house is full of potholes.

    But I have to give kudos for just flat out gettin’ ‘er done. Maybe more neighborhoods should look to themselves instead of elected officials to achieve their common desires. Maybe neighborhoods bypassing govt. but coming together to reach a common goal, is how we make our communities better places to live.

    If you can get this far, maybe you can actually pull it off. I hope so, and wouldn’t that be something? Its no longer my immediate neighborhood, but still, I’m in, will call tomorrow for my sticker or sign. Congratulations, and good luck.

  9. tra
    July 21, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I confess, I haven’t favored the idea of another non-profit/non-taxpaying organization buying real estate and keeping it off the tax rolls whilst our local govts are broke and the road to my house is full of potholes.

    If you live in Eureka, you might want to consider that the $200,000 Tyson cost the taxpayers and the city’s insurer for his mishandling of the Hansen case, the couple hundred thousand more for the botched “global investigation” and the $160,000 for firing a successful police chief without cause sure could have filled a lot of potholes.

    Heck, they could probably have filled those potholes with silver dollars.

  10. observer
    July 21, 2011 at 5:15 am

    There is a “Pot of Gold” at the end of the rainbow, it’s called community! I can’t be more supportive of this project. You can’t kill the human spirit. Congratulations to WICA and to those who have a dream. THANK YOU TO ALL TRADESMEN WHO DONATED THEIR SERVICES! YOU GOT MY BUSINESS.

  11. July 21, 2011 at 6:37 am

    Congratulations (again) to Heidi and WCIA. You folks are an inspiration!

  12. Smart 5th Grader
    July 21, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Toast: OBD Plumbing, T-and-T Roofing, Manhard Consulting, McKeever Energy and Electric, Richard Daly, RCAA, & HAF.

    Roast: Safeway and Wal*Mart.

    Elections don’t just happen in the poll booth every 2 years, we can vote with our dollars every day. Give these outstanding friends and neighbors a shot at your business. It feels even better than NOT spending money at Wal*Mart© (The High Cost of Low Prices – Always).

  13. Decline To State
    July 21, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Count this east-sider in. Heidi and company have scored a victory for ALL Eurekans and I couldn’t be happier! Well played!

  14. Goldie
    July 21, 2011 at 7:27 am

    This group has shown they do not lack in tenacity or talent and now they have come up with the funds to purchase the building. WCIA owns Jefferson! One huge hurdle has been cleared. While they have not released their plans yet I assume they will be similar to what was proposed during the time they were presenting to the council. With the donations from local professionals in the trades, possible grants and community fund raising and gifts I am sure that this property will come to life and serve the entire city. Truly inspiring on so many levels.

  15. Eurekite
    July 21, 2011 at 7:52 am

    I’m going to spend 10k on a roof in Eureka next year. T and T will get the first call.

  16. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Sometimes the sun comes out in Eureka.

  17. High Finance
    July 21, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I don’t suppose any of you have any questions at all about the financing of the purchase ? None ?

  18. observer
    July 21, 2011 at 8:23 am

    High Finance,
    Don’t you believe in Angels? They believe in this project!

  19. July 21, 2011 at 8:24 am

    I wonder what HiFi’s worried about? Too many successes that he’s declared impossible?

  20. Goldie
    July 21, 2011 at 8:34 am

    HiFi, I really don’t understand why you are so concerned about their money. Where is your concern about OUR money in the general fund? Your donation to this group is simply requested while our donation to the city is mandatory. We are Taxed. You are an astute person, trained in the best use of money and its returns. Would you be willing to turn your attention to the returns the city council is arranging for us all from its planned expenditures

  21. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Per my 9:30 question yesterday, I take it no one here has specifics on what will be done with the building.

  22. Percy
    July 21, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Maybe more neighborhoods should look to themselves instead of elected officials to achieve their common desires. Maybe neighborhoods bypassing govt. but coming together to reach a common goal, is how we make our communities better places to live.

    I have to disagree here. No need to bypass government for a community to achieve it’s goals. Time to replace non responsive elected officials with ones that do the peoples business and not what the moneyed interests that bought their seats for them demand for their campaign contributions, which is to make them more money.

  23. High Finance
    July 21, 2011 at 8:41 am

    I am not “worried” Goldie, it is not my money that will be going toward this project. I thank the city council for not wasting our tax dollars on this project.

    But still, what is the problem with not accepting vague promises without investigation ? Why are you all so accepting of anything that group says ?

  24. July 21, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Of course, HiFi is completely accepting of the vague nonsense coming out of city hall since his money brought us the Brady Bunch.

  25. Plain Jane
    July 21, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Probably for the same reason you are so distrusting, HiFi. We are reasonably honest and concerned community members and believe most others are the same. You, like us, project your own motives onto others and the result is your distrust. We trust nonprofit community organizations more than for-profit corporations and you…well, no need to beat a dead HiFi.

  26. July 21, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Remember folks, it is much easier to be the Nay-Sayer, and it requires much less effort to be negative and criticize.

    Of course it is impossible to forecast how this new community entity will progress, and it is hard to predict how the finances will ultimately come out. However, what is clear is that there is a group of local citizens that have decided to come out of their homes and give a crap about their neighborhood. Give a crap about their community.

    As I said, it requires very little imagination and courage to criticize. Of course this could all fail down the road. No business, for-profit or non-profit, is immune from potential failure. However! However, I like the energy and the gusto displayed by this community group. So I support them, and hope they continue to progress towards their goals.

  27. Goldie
    July 21, 2011 at 9:00 am

    I am trusting because I know these people. I have seen their successes in other areas. I have seen the outcome of their efforts and history tends to repeat itself. I will stand by them in my efforts and with my dollars. I have faith in them and their resumes. We have so much talent up here and these folks are asking us to use it to build something wonderful.

  28. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 9:21 am

    asking us to use it to build something wonderful.

    What, exactly, are they planning to build, and how will it be used? Why does no one care about the answer to this question?

  29. July 21, 2011 at 9:29 am


    Their names are public record and their intentions have been publicized for years now. Wouldn’t it be a bit more useful to ask them rather than a bunch of anonymous bloggers, Anonymous?

  30. July 21, 2011 at 9:35 am

    “The group needs a website (they’re free these days)…”

    One thing at a time, Anonymous 9:30. They’re working on it. You might want to lend a hand.

  31. July 21, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I am mailing a check today. Good goin’!

  32. High Finance
    July 21, 2011 at 9:47 am

    The blind acceptance of anything this group puts out must be due to two reasons.

    One is that they used the words “neighborhood group” and “community center” two words that bring ecstasy to a liberal.

    Then the conservatives dared to question the financial wisdom of this project and managed to stop the city’s involvement in it. This brought a knee-jerk reaction to support anything the group does with blind obedience.

    But look at it with a little realism. According to the papers the group bought it for $610,000 with 10% down. This means the mortgage must be almost %550,000. Even if they were lucky enough to get a 6% loan they need to come up with over $3,200 by at least September 1st ! Then another $3,200 Oct 1st, another $3,200 Nov 1st and Dec 1st.

  33. July 21, 2011 at 9:53 am

    To anonymous at 9:21. How about a center for community; which is what the school was before it closed; now the entire West side of the city is left without a school. Before Jefferson School closed there was something going on there every single day; after school hours. There was child care, well supervised and the kids were fed. There was a very well used library, we hope there will be again. Virtually every evening there were classes for adults; parenting skills, CPR, ESL, etc. We are hoping for a commond ground; a park and playground that every neighborhood filled with children deserves-and we don’t have. We are hoping to bring that neighborhood hub back to the neighborhood, period. I don’t get why this is so hard for people like Hifi and others to grasp. This is entirely a grassroots community effort to fill a gaping hole in the infrastructure of this neighborhood. If you don’t like the idea of neighbors (and community) supporting each other in a plan to benefit all of us; don’t donate to it. If you do support it; donate to a great plan. By the way, the last city council did support this plan, unanimously.

  34. Smart 5th Grader
    July 21, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Hi Fi, GFYS. “neighborhood groups” and “community centers” are not a conservative vs. liberal issue. How many ways can you find to be devisive? “Blind obedience”? I’d say that’s between you and Robyn Junior.

  35. July 21, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Hi Fi Said: “One is that they used the words “neighborhood group” and “community center” two words that bring ecstasy to a liberal.

    Then the conservatives dared to question the financial wisdom of this project and managed to stop the city’s involvement in it. This brought a knee-jerk reaction to support anything the group does with blind obedience”

    How dare you politcize this! This is a COMMUNITY effort. I have seen some pretty conservative support. Christiansen at the school board, Daly, Bohn. Give me a break NOW you are grasping at straws.

    And by the way, dont you wonder WHERE the financing comes from for Kramer to renovate the Old Town Bar and Grill? Of course not! It is a community revitilization project and we are all grateful.

    Now quit it Hi Fi, you sound silly and bitter. We love you and I bet the Westsiders will be happy to hand you a weed hoe.

  36. High Finance
    July 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Spoken like a true 5th grader.

    Why no concern about the financial viability of the project ? Why is anybody asking questions condemned by all of you ?

    The Old Town Bar & Grill is being renovated by serious businessmen with their own funds. They aren’t asking for governmental or public donations. If they did I would ask the same questions.

    We know the Kramer group have penciled out the rental income they can reasonable expect and know they can pay their mortgage.

  37. Plain Jane
    July 21, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Anyone with real questions about it would have called them or sent an e-mail to the group (provided above). The fact that they don’t, but keep attempting to raise doubts about the honesty of the group and the financial viability of the project raises questions about their own motives.

  38. Not A Native
    July 21, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Oh, you’re spouting pure BS Libertarian ideology, Hi Fi. Kramer is borrowing money to complete his vision, thats how capitalism works. But you don’t question who his lender is because you support only the political structure where one (wealthy, therefore worthy of respect)person has overwhelming control.

    What you really resent with WCIA is that large numbers of (unwealthy, therefore untrustworthy)people joined and pooled small individual contributions.

    In your worldview Hi Fi, all significant resources are legitimately owned and controlled only by a small number of people. As I’ve written before, you’re an oligarch and a traitor to the USA.

  39. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Their names are public record and their intentions have been publicized for years now. Wouldn’t it be a bit more useful to ask them rather than a bunch of anonymous bloggers, Anonymous?

    Mitch, the only place I’ve heard of their plans being publicized *in detail* was at a city council meeting I didn’t attend. The group doesn’t seem to have a website. I’m not your enemy. I’m potentially an ally. I just want to know their plans. I figure, if they’re soliciting my money online, they have a responsibility to tell me how and why I should give it to them. If this is how they conduct themselves, I have more sympathy for the republicans who wanted to hand the building to CR. Sometimes people choose the option they know more about even if it’s not the desirable one, e.g., people are inclined to choose a rocky path they can see, not a well-paved one that is obscured. I don’t think I’ve been unreasonable with my question.

    What do they plan to do with the building and how will it improve the neighborhood? Simply having a community center, on its face, is too simplistic and unsatisfactory a response. I’m asking for more information. If no one here has more information, what the heck is everyone applauding?

  40. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    but keep attempting to raise doubts

    Now that’s just plain insulting. Asking a question is not raising a doubt, unless your position is baseless. I don’t think the group’s plan is baseless, but maybe just you Jane. You insult an honest person asking an honest question.

  41. Plain Jane
    July 21, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    I wasn’t talking to you, 2:07, but to HiFi. If you think he isn’t deliberately trying to raise doubts, you must be new around here.

  42. Mitch
    July 21, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Seriously, 2:06, there’s a phone number on the flyer graphic at the top of this comment thread. Call it if you’re looking for details. You’re certainly entitled to know what your contribution will go towards.

    Many of the commenters here might not want to step on anyone’s toes by describing what WCIA has in mind. Also, once you learn a bit about the project’s history, I hope you can understand if perhaps a request for more information isn’t immediately met with a laying out of full plans.

  43. Not A Native
    July 21, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Anon, the WCIA published a ‘vision’ for the site with an archetictural layout. The elements included playground recreation, park, educational facilities, and community meeting facilities. Personally, I see it like a YMCA. If you don’t get out of HumCo, you probably aren’t familiar with that kind of facility.

    They plan to adapt their ideas to suit interested tenants who complement the vision. I’m positive they will reiterate those ideas at the unlocking ceremony. Suggest you attend. Clearly, their intention is to fill unmet community expressed needs/desires.

  44. tra
    July 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    This is great news for the community. Congratulations to everyone involved!

    There’s certainly lots more that needs to be done, and much more money will need to be raised for renovations, and to cover the mortgage until the rent from tenants can start to do that.

    But at this point there is lots of good reason for optimism, and with the purchase accomplished I suspect that support from the community will continue and grow.

    Onward and upward!

  45. Sylvia Scott
    July 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Today is a day of Celebration!

    To all of the community members & professionals that supported our efforts; I would list you all – BUT- there just isn’t enough room here. We couldn’t have accomplished this without you. When everything seemed lost, you gave us the courage, support, & knowledge we needed to fight another day for this project.

    To all of you out there that doubted us & even worked behind locked doors to see that we failed; I have a lot to say – BUT- there just isn’t enough room here! Besides that, I don’t want negative words to rain on our much earned celebration.

    I will try to answer a few questions.

    We are working on a website. It should be up & running soon. We just got our office space, computer, & phone line in. We are working very hard & using our own resources to accomplish this.

    WCIA has “working board members. We are not paid but we have WORKED night & day, 7 days a week to get this project where it is today.

    HiFi – We are NOT “businessmen” & this is NOT a business venture – though we have had a great deal of professional support from the business community. We are a community effort working to improve our community -period!

    Yes, we have a large mortgage. It will require lots of hard work & donations to make our payments. Our lender had faith in us, we have faith in us,& we hope that our community has faith in us too.

    Now that we have site control, we can consider viable & achievable options for Jefferson. ALL options will have community input.

    A very long time ago my grandmother told me,”Darling, don’t just beat your head against a locked door, find an open window!” Today our window opened, you can bet your sweet backside that we will be climbing in!

    Again, thank you!

    Sylvia Scott

  46. July 21, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Yes. you can fight City Hall. Congratulations to the persistent

    people Now you need a little help . Where do we pledge?Just


  47. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    P.O. Box 5315
    Eureka, CA 95502

  48. Curley
    July 21, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Great job all. You’re an inspiration. We’ll put a check in the mail.

  49. July 21, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Hi Finance,

    Are you saying that no public funds are being used in the renovation of the Old Town Bar and Grill? Didn’t they apply for emergency funds after the earthquake?

    have a peaceful day,

  50. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    There it is HiFi: jean doran’s synopsis – “Yes. you can fight City Hall. Congratulations to the persistent people…”

    That is what this is all about. It is a fight with Eureka City Hall and those politically opposed to it. It is a backlash to the elections and a rally for the community underdogs who feel slighted by the withdrawal of city funds. No one commenting cares about how it is actually going to happen in the real world because in their minds the battle has been won. We have overcome. And if the project fails who will be to blame? Certainly not those of noble cause who fought against the odds to persevere against the heavy hand of the oppressor.

  51. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Its like throwing money at a lemonade stand. You don’t do it because the lemonade is good. It makes you feel good. They’re such cute little kids.

  52. monkeylove
    July 21, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Or like throwing bananas at the city council. You don’t do it because the monkeys are good. It makes you feel good. They’re such cute little monkeys.

  53. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I thought many of the projects that happened down town and Old town were thanks to Redevelopment funds–our tax $. Are you saying that Kramer never used these funds?

  54. tra
    July 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    8:22 and 8:35 are sounding a rather bitter and resentful that this group has succeeded in purchasing the property.

    Hopefully as the project moves forward more of the naysayers will come around to the understanding that this can be a positive thing for the city and that the fact that they and the politicians they supported were on the wrong side of this particular issue is really not all that important in the grand scheme of things.

    Already, just on this comment thread, we’ve seen a couple of folks who, while they admit to having had real reservations about the idea, have now been able to recognize the significance of this accomplishment and stand ready to help the project move forward. That kind of intellectual honesty and willingness to change one’s mind as new developments occur is something to be admired.

    Those who will desperately cling to their resentments and prejudices and will continue to root for the failure of this project no matter what — well, they are to be pitied.

  55. tenth street dreamer
    July 21, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    HiFi, you are a very sick puppy. I don’t think a well trained psychologist could unravel your twisted thinking. If you are an apologist and cheer leader for this city government’s non responsiveness and totally ignoring our community needs,there is very good reason to head for the nearest exit. Thank you to this community group for stepping up to the plate and proving that we are not a hostage to do nothing incompetence.

  56. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    It’s commendable that this group is working to improve their neighborhood and make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. I also applaud those like Kurt Kramer who take on very challenging projects (and yes, some government grants are often used for this sort of project as it doesn’t pencil out otherwise, being historic, damaged, and has restrictions placed upon it to restore and not just fix). Both types of projects help our community.

  57. The Monitor
    July 21, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    The boardwalk was a redevelopment project that made great sense for old town development. Unfortunatly the city owns most of the land between the F st. plaza and the C st. plaza and nothing has happened to put businesses there. C st. plaza was built with Obama stimulus money, or it never would have gotten done. So that means that the pot holed vacant land between the plazas has sat there for 20 years, TWENTY YEARS. As a real estate agent Tyson and his crew have failed big time. This city has put little effort into making downtown-old town and economic generator. City Hall could give a flying f*^+# what happens there. I can hardly wait for the city’s new million dollar visioning study to come out, then fade into the files, never to be seen again. The Jefferson school project will be up and running long before the ink is dry on the city’s new document. I have been around a long time and this is the most inept local government I can ever remember in Eureka.

  58. July 21, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Robin and I will send a check off to salute the successful neighborhood effort. Sylvia Scott says the WCIA has “working board members” who are not paid. As a property owner in the City of Eureka I feel an obligation to help out a collection of volunteers who have a vision and a willingness to donate time to their community. Checks in the mail.

  59. The Monitor
    July 21, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    I forgot to mention that the only development on the boardwalk that generates a dime of sales tax is Bayfront One at the foot of F st. That property was owned privately and they got it done in great time, even after it was burned to the ground just before it was finish. That is why I can comfortably say that the Jefferson School project will be up and running long before the city grades and gravels their pothole infested property at the boardwalk, let along sell it to a developer who will build on it. Any bets?

  60. Anonymous
    July 21, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Since I have been here all I have seen built are the MAC and Betty Chin’s showers. Way to go City of Eureka-you really know how to bring prosperity to our town.

  61. July 22, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Thanks, Richard Marks and Humboldt Turtle. Have you volunteered time or sent a check yet, Anonymous?

  62. July 22, 2011 at 8:36 am

    “The Old Town Bar & Grill is being renovated by serious businessmen with their own funds. They aren’t asking for governmental or public donations. If they did I would ask the same questions.” – High Finance yesterday

    Are you ready to walk this back a bit, High Finance? Do you realize what can of worms you have opened up by running your mouth? Don’t you think that the folks on the west side are going to wonder why a for profit developer gets public money while a neighborhood group doesn’t?

    And doesn’t Arkley own the Bar & Grill? Kramer is doing the reno but I thought the pain doc sold it to Arkley some years ago.


    have a peaceful day,

  63. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Bill, you haven’t the foggiest idea of how redevelopment funds work do you ?

    The Old Town Bar & Grill building will pay property taxes and the city will make money on whatever redevelopment monies are spent on it.

    The Jefferson building will not pay any property taxes as long as the non profit own it.

  64. July 22, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Sure, sure HI FI,

    But just to be clear on one teensy little point, you do admit that Arkley and Kramer are accepting public money to at least partly finance thier private for profit little project down on 2 st?

    One of the adults in the room walked that back for you last night but it would be nice to hear it from the horse’s mouth so to speak.

    have a peaceful day,

  65. July 22, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Also Hi Fi you are simply lying about the Jefferson School site. You are pretending that the parcel is subject to taxation now as if it were some private property and thus we are going to lose that imaginary revenue. It is owned by the school it pays no taxes now so transfer to a non profit won’t effect that at all, and neither would sale to the community college either.

    have a peaceful day,

  66. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 9:48 am

    HiFi is incapable of understanding the enormous value of a community center to the Westside and Eureka, Bill. Every neighborhood needs a heart, so to speak, a gathering place for the community to stay connected and address their problems. The Eureka City Council majority, including Brady, has no interest in this neighborhood other than what profit their supporters can suck out of it via halfway houses and slum housing. I suspect Nielsen’s increased attention to the Westside and the increased crime in other neighborhoods was a factor in his firing. Eureka’s system of electing council members is undemocratic since it denies wards the right to choose their own representative. I doubt any supporters of the current system would advocate changing our county, state or national election laws to such a system, but locally it virtually guarantees their control.

  67. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Calm down Bill & have another joint.

    I have no idea if Kramer is using Redevelopment funds or not. But if he is the city will make money off of it. Redevelopment funds are supposed to be spent only on projects that make money due to enhanced property tax revenues.

    And while the Jefferson site has not paid property taxes in the past, it would have if a private developer had bought & developed it. Perhaps $50,000 a year or more.

  68. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 9:54 am

    PJ is incapable of understanding basic finances. A community center is worthless to the community if it can’t pay its bills and is foreclosed on.

    And anyone who thinks Nielsen’s firing was due to “his increased attention to the westside” is a paranoid fool.

  69. July 22, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Take a decrepit leaking rusting old public building and turn it into a vibrant community center.

    Use a couple hundred thousand of redevelopment funds to help the process.

    Year or two down the road the property values of the 200-300 homes in the surrounding neighborhood goes up 10-20k.

    Result: more property tax revenue for the city, just like the Arkley Kramer project.

    Do you see how that “pencils out” Hi Finance?

    have a peaceful day,

  70. Not A Native
    July 22, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Hi Fi again shows his prejudice, ignorance, and arrogance. Simply being a non-profit doesn’t exempt a property owner from property taxes. Anyone who says/thinks it does is flat assed wrong. IMO, WCIA may very well have to pay property taxes.

  71. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 10:05 am

    But a developer didn’t bid on it, HiFi.

    The land is still valuable even if WCIA isn’t successful, HiFi. The attempt to create it has real value to the community, even if it fails. Your calculator brain can’t understand the value of a community coming together for positive change. My impression is that the whole idea scares you, maybe it’s the “commun” part of community or just the idea of little people working together for anything.

  72. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Hi Fi said: And while the Jefferson site has not paid property taxes in the past, it would have if a private developer had bought & developed it. Perhaps $50,000 a year or more.

    As P.J. noted, no private developer had even bothered to bid on it. So there is a distinct possibility that it would have just sat their unrepaired for some number of years, a blight on the neighborhood that would have reduced the property value (and therefore the property taxes) of surrounding properties. Instead, there is a group of people who are commited to renovating it and turning it into an asset to the community, which should help maintain and perhaps even increase the value of the surrounding properties, therefore increasing the amount of property taxes paid in the surrounding neighborhood.

    And of course the only other entity which had expressed interest in the site was College of the Redwoods, which also would not have paid any property taxes on it. I recall a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth on the part of certain people when CR withdrew after neighbors expressed their opposition — yet there was no mention at the time by those wailers and teeth-gnashers, of the fact that CR wouldn’t have paid any property taxes on the place either.

  73. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    I hope you’re right Tra, but if this group raises the millions needed to fix this property up right I will eat my hat.

    Could it be that no private developers bothered to bid on the property because Heidi’s group threaten to sue anybody who bought the property ? That Ron Kuhnel had the Heritage Society send a threatening letter to anybody who didn’t want the building to stay ?

    NAN, call the Assessor’s office to find out the facts. Then I expect an apology.

  74. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Hi Fi,

    As far as Redevelopment funds go, it amazes me to see you defending a government program that costs California taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars and yet has been shown to have little to no overall economic benefit to state taxpayers, which is why the program is in the process of being de-funded and dismantled:

    While redevelopment leads to economic development within project areas, there is no reliable evidence that it attracts businesses to the state or increases overall regional economic development. Instead, the limited academic literature on this topic finds that—viewed from the perspective of an entire city or region—the effect of this program on property values is minimal. That is, redevelopment may cause some geographic shifts in economic development, but does not increase the overall amount of economic activity in a region.


    Basically, Redevelopment is a program that taxes everyone in the state, spends a great deal on administrative overhead, and then redistributes what is left to certain areas in a highly politicized way. It’s a classic form of bureacratic “command economics,” the very opposite of the free-market economics you normally espouse.

    Yet here you are, touting this highly bureacratic corporate welfare program and opposing a voluntary project at Jefferson, where people are putting their own hard-earned money and sweat equity into a project to improve their own neighborhood.

  75. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I hope you’re right Tra, but if this group raises the millions needed to fix this property up right I will eat my hat

    For your sake, I hope it’s a porkpie hat!


  76. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    More from that LAO report on Redevelopment:

    Diverts Revenues From Other Local Governments and State:

    Redevelopment agencies receive over $5 billion of tax increment revenues annually. Lacking any reliable evidence that the agencies’ activities increase statewide tax revenues, we assume that a substantial portion of these revenues would have been generated anyway elsewhere in the region or state. For example, a redevelopment agency might attract to a project area businesses that previously were located in other California cities, or that were planning to expand elsewhere in the region. In either of these cases, property taxes paid in the project area would increase, but there would be no change in statewide property tax revenues.

    To the extent that a redevelopment agency receives property tax revenues without generating an overall increase in taxes paid in the state, the agency reduces revenues that otherwise would be available for local agencies to spend on non–redevelopment programs, including law enforcement, fire protection, road maintenance, libraries, and parks….

    Limited Transparency and Accountability:

    Redevelopment agencies lack some of the key accountability and transparency elements common to other local agencies. Specifically, unlike other local agencies, redevelopment agencies can incur debt without voter approval. Redevelopment agencies can also redirect property tax revenues from schools and other local agencies without voter approval or the consent of the local agencies.

    In addition, although redevelopment programs are authorized in state law and increase state costs, redevelopment programs lack the key accountability elements that are common to state–supported local assistance programs. Specifically, no state agency reviews redevelopment economic development activities or ensures that project areas focus on the program’s mission. We also note that use of redevelopment is not limited to communities with low property wealth—some of California’s most affluent cities have declared large sections of their jurisdictions “blighted.”


    The overall ineffectiveness, unfairness, and inefficiency of CA’s Redevelopment Agencies is one of those rare things that the majority of both Democrats and Republicans in the state legislature have been able to agree on.

    There’s no question that certain cities and certain neighborhood have benefited from Redevelopment monies, but it seems quite clear that there is no NET gain in economic activity or revenue creation, these benefits simply come at the expense of economic development elsewhere, with some significant loss along the way due to the bureacracy, administrative overhead and inefficiencies inherent in the system.

    To me, it seems quite contradictory for anyone who considers themselves a “fiscal conservative” to support the Redevelopment program.

  77. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    I am not sure I want to defend the Redevelopment program Tra. It does help one area but at the expense of others at least in the short run. There is a legitimate argument about whether a lot of the improvements would have been done anyway.

    But I know it has done wonders for Old Town.

  78. July 22, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Yes just look at the waterfront. A nice display of the invasive species Pampas Grass now all along the Bay.

    How long have those vacant lots been there? 10 years of the biggest housing and commerical property bubble in the history of mankind and still they couldn’t build anything. Incompetence or thievery, or are there other explanations?

    And talk about tax benefits of redevelopment. Granted that the vacant lots represent properties that may have been run down or even blighted, at least they were producing tax revenue. Once the city buys them that is over with until they are re sold. How much has this tax loss amounted to over the last 10-15 years?

    have a peaceful day,

  79. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Bill is putting the Pampas grass invasion on redevelopment? PRICELESS!!!

    Have a less ignorant day,

  80. July 22, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Let’s see: Eureka Redevelopment annual budget = $5,000,000 per year x 15 years = $75,000,000.00.

    Maybe someone can show us where it’s gone. The Pampas Grass is free. And why there is not a couple hundred thousand for a community center.

    have a peaceful day,

  81. Not A Native
    July 22, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Hi Fi, check State law and and then admit you don’t know squat about property taxes for non-profits.

    And BTW, just because the Assessor is a Republican doesn’t mean just calling up is sufficient to get an accurate answer to a complicated question.

  82. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    I am not sure I want to defend the Redevelopment program Tra

    A wise choice. Defending the indefensible is hard to do, and in the long run, doomed to failure. Thankfully the legislature and the governor recognized that and as a result they are finally ending state funding for this bureaucratic boondoggle. In the end, all it took to focus minds and actually try to get some kind of meaningful evaluation of the Redevelopment system’s (in)effectiveness was a massive state fiscal crisis.

    If cities and counties want to keep their Redevelopment agencies, they are entirely free do so under the new law — but they’ll have to pay for it themselves. And in this way, local voters can have a say in whether they think this funding is worth it or not. Under the old system, everyone was happy when their area got Redevelopment funds, because these funds seemed like free money…but with a hidden cost to other areas that were taxed to pay for these projects but got no benefit.

    I don’t doubt that the Redevelopment funding benefited Old Town Eureka — but at a steep cost to other areas that needed the help just as much.

    I’ll also acknowledge that original idea was a noble one: pool resources to help redevelopment in economically hard-hit areas. Unfortunately, it eventually morphed into a highly politicized system of tax revenue redistribution that ended up sending our collective tax dollars to many moderate-income and wealthy communities that could have afforded to pay for it themselves, and probably would have, had they not had the option to use the “free” money from Redevelopment funds:

    We also note that use of redevelopment is not limited to communities with low property wealth—some of California’s most affluent cities have declared large sections of their jurisdictions “blighted.”


  83. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    ooo hi fi you just gave yourself up

  84. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    And now that I know without a doubt who you are, why on earth would you be opposed to to this project. its absolute intent is to improve the lives of children, restore the critical need for the community commons, a place for neighborhood social development to occur, replace all the gems lost when that neighborhood lost Jefferson School…Hi Fi how could you, you are supposed to a steward of the community and look out for the welfare of the children, that is exactly what this project is all about. again, I am disillusioned by an organizational structure in place to benefit society…hopefully I am only saddened by the concieted man who believes that financial management will save the childs soul,not by the ineffectiveness of the structure itself. Hi Fi I really looked up to you as a man of stature, someone giving of his time and his talent for the benefit of children. How do you sleep at night? is your position purely one of ego? is it purely financial, do you not genuinly care about the youth of Eureka I believe in my heart now that YOU are the definition of disingenuous. I really liked you. And monday morning, when my personal and corporate accounts move, you will know exactly who I am.

  85. Jon Brooks
    July 22, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    I also am not defending (or attacking) the redevelopment program.

    If it hasn’t changed since I worked in redevelopment some years ago, it is funded only by the increase in property tax revenues from within the adopted redevelopment area. Set the tax base in year 1, all increases in property taxes from then on go to the Redevelopment Agency, to be used to further improve that area, generating more prop tax, and so on until the agency expires. The money can be spent on public improvements or to encourage private developers, either for-profit and non-profit.

    To be clear, only those who own property in the redevelopment area are actually funding that agency. If you don’t own property in a redevelopment area, you don’t pay a dime to the agency.

    Redevelopment always irritated the County and schools, who watched the agency’s property tax funding increase dramatically while theirs didn’t. It also irritates those who can’t figure out how to get any of this money themselves, while it appears to flow freely to others.

    This system hints to one reason why private projects which result in a large property tax increases might tend to be favored, since they will generate more property tax revenue to the agency. Non-profits, probably less so.

    May be academic now, I think Jerry is taking all the redevelopment money.

  86. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    To gain those Redevelopment funds you must make more low income housing even if there is too much already. It is 20%. Low income is really half-way housing, emergency shelters for the homeless and mentally ill etc. So when you want those funds you have to put all this undesirable stuff somewhere. Somewhere such as our historic neighborhoods in the redevelopment zone. This is the price for Redevelopment Block Grant Funding. Many neighborhoods suffer because it is all put in their neighborhoods. Redevelopment has ruined many towns in America and Eureka is a good example of this. All the while a few contractors get their money and the pencil pushing bureaucrats in the Redevelopment Dept. at 531 K Street stay employed.

  87. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    To be clear, only those who own property in the redevelopment area are actually funding that agency. If you don’t own property in a redevelopment area, you don’t pay a dime to the agency.

    Jon, thanks for the clarification. Sounds like I was wrong about the idea that taxes from other communities were being redistributed to the Redevelopment agencies. However, to the extent that taxes that would otherwise go to the state are diverted to the Redevelopment agencies, this starves the state of revenue, requiring either cuts to services in other communities, or increased taxes to make up for the lost revenues, or both. So instead of redistribution taking the form of an allocation from the state’s General Fund, the redistribution happens even further up the pipeline, as taxes are diverted away from the General Fund in the first place.

    Another major issue is that within communities that established Redevelopment agencies, the revenues for other governmental functions are essentially frozen, whereas all increase in revenue goes to the Redevelopment agency, even if that increased revenue has nothing to do with the redevelopment projects conducted by the agency:

    If a community establishes a redevelopment project area, the amount of property tax revenues flowing to local agencies serving the area is frozen. K–14 districts, the counties, cities, and special districts continue to receive all of the property tax revenues they had received up to that point. This amount is known as the frozen base.

    As shown in Figure 1, all of the growth in property taxes in the project area—over the frozen base—is allocated to the redevelopment agency as tax–increment revenue. In other words, local agencies receive the same amount of property tax revenues they received in the past, but none of the growth.

    [See Figure 1 in source document, linked to below]

    This redirection of property tax revenues lasts for the life of the redevelopment project—typically 50 years, although some older projects have longer lifetimes.


    Given that the cost of government services continues to rise in these areas, while the amount of revenue the local governments receive is frozen, it’s not hard to see how this could become a serious problem over the 50 year lifespan of the redevelopment agencies.

    The LAO report (linked to above) also points out that while Redevelopment areas were originally quite small, they have tended to grow larger and larger over the years:

    During the early years of California’s redevelopment law, few communities established project areas and project areas typically were small—usually 10 to 100 acres. Over the last 35 years, however, most cities and many counties have created project areas and the size of project areas has grown—several cover more than 20,000 acres each. Partly as a result of this expansion in number and size of project areas, redevelopment’s share of total statewide property taxes has grown six fold (from 2 percent to 12 percent of total statewide property taxes). In some counties, local agencies have created so many project areas that more than 25 percent of all property tax revenue collected in the county are allocated to a redevelopment agency, not the schools, community colleges, or other local governments.

    In a smaller area, one could argue that all the taxpayers paying into might benefit from the redevelopment program, but when huge areas are covered, lots of the people paying in are nowhere near the actual redevelopment projects.

  88. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Silly Annonymous, I have no “personal or corporate accounts”.

    But your threats illustrate my earlier comments. Merely asking questions and expressing doubts about the financial viability of this project is tantamount to heresy in the minds of its supporters ? Why is that ? Are you people that insecure ?

  89. July 23, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Jesus, HiFi. You’re such a cheerful guy.

  90. Ed
    July 23, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Yes HiFi, people are that insecure. Why don’t you rub it in.

  91. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 8:25 am

    For NAN


    And I should know, I run a non-profit 501(c)3 and we do NOT pay property taxes.

  92. observer
    July 23, 2011 at 8:26 am

    HiFi, take your comments to the mirror. I’m sure the would welcome them there. Many like you like to keep the working class repressed, besides we are the ones paying a majority of taxes.

  93. Fact Checker
    July 23, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Exempt from property tax ONLY IF “organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific or hospital purposes”

    State Property Tax (Board of Equalization)

    Real and personal property owned and operated by certain nonprofit organizations can be exempted from local property taxation through a program jointly administered by the Board of Equalization and county assessors’ offices in California. This exemption, known as the Welfare Exemption, is available to qualifying organizations that have income- tax- exempt status under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3) or 23701(d) of the Revenue and Taxation Code and are organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific or hospital purposes.”

  94. Fact Checker
    July 23, 2011 at 9:01 am

    High Finance says:
    July 23, 2011 at 8:25 am
    For NAN


    And I should know, I run a non-profit 501(c)3 and we do NOT pay property taxes.”

    Optimist or pessimist? Are Hi Fi’s post half-truth or half-lie?

  95. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 9:47 am

    OK, I was talking about charitable non-profits. There are non-profits that are not and they pay property taxes.

    But NAN said non profits pay property taxes and his reference was to all non profits.
    WCIA said in the press that they are a 501(c)3.

  96. Plain Jane
    July 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Except that isn’t what he said, HiFi. Your poor reading comprehension is on display again.

    Nan said, “Simply being a non-profit doesn’t exempt a property owner from property taxes.”

  97. Smart 5th Grader
    July 23, 2011 at 11:10 am

    High Finance says:
    July 23, 2011 at 8:25 am
    For NAN

    “And I should know, …”

    Yes, you should old boy. But you don’t.

  98. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 11:16 am

    The Serenity Inn pays no property tax so are they a 501(c)3?

  99. Not A Native
    July 23, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Thanks PJ, saved me the trouble.

    But of course no acknowledgment of ignorance by Hi Fi. His inability to concentrate on and comprehend text is one more indication that in real life, Hi Fi doesn’t have the abilities and accomplishments he claims here. Just another traitor neo-con.

  100. Living In Eureka
    July 23, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    With everything working against this group (to include City Hall), they still pulled this purchase off. They will succeed, this community will see to it. As far as taxes go……This property has not been on the tax record FOR OVER 100 YEARS! You are really scraping the bottom of the crapper with that one.

    Oh, by the way, I also know who you really are. I have already made a hard copy of your promise to eat your hat. I will personally
    be there with salt & pepper & the press. Maybe humility will teach you to play nice with others! Have a good day

  101. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    LOL Living, on both counts.

    Now that they bought it I hope they succeed. The alternative is a decaying building that will sit there for years. But hope doesn’t get it done and in a few years from now you will see that I was right.

    Of course not one of you will have the courtesy of admitting it.

  102. Smart 5th Grader
    July 23, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    High Finance says:
    July 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    “Now that they bought it I hope they succeed…. But hope doesn’t get it done and in a few years from now you will see that I was right.”

    You “hope” they will succeed but it won’t get done and you will then be “right”? Would that be a back-handed slap? or a regular ‘ol slap?

  103. tra
    July 23, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Now that they bought it I hope they succeed.

    Well here’s an idea — rather than just hoping you could actually try to help them succeed.

  104. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    I won’t put my money into it, but I would be willing to help paint or cut the lawn.

  105. Ed
    July 23, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Who’s that guy in an ascot mowing the lawn at the school?

  106. tra
    July 23, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    I won’t put my money into it, but I would be willing to help paint or cut the lawn.

    Well that sounds good to me. I hope you contact them and make the offer. I know some commenters are probably going to pile on you for not being willing to donate money, but for my part, I think a donation of time is still a very worthy thing. And who knows…once you’ve invested some time in the project, and had a chance to see lots of other people dedicating their time and money to it, and (hopefully) seeing that they are able to meet their motgage payments while also starting to make some significant forward progress in fundraising for the renovations and carrying out those renovations, you might start to feel a little bit more optimistic about it’s overall chances of success.

    While you’re at it (or perhaps somewhere a little further down the line) you might want to go ahead and directly ask them to answer some of your questions about the financing of the deal, where their funds have come from and how those funds are being managed and being spent. And if you get answers that reassure you about how this is all being organized, perhaps you would then be willing to consider making a donation (small or large) to help move the project forward. And of course, at some point some of their financial info will become available as they are required to file forms with the IRS (and maybe the state, too) which might also address some of your concerns.

    I would just encourage you to keep an open mind about the possibility of this project succeeding. I understand that at this point you think that it’s very unlikely to succeed (and given the steep hill of fundrasing and renovations that still needs to be climbed I don’t think that’s necessarily an unreasonable position), but even if you’re right about that, unlikely events do occur from time to time. This might be one of those. And unlike the kind of random unlikley events that sometimes occur (lightning strikes, lottery wins), this is one where people can actually affect whether it happens or not.

    Anyway, I’m glad to hear you’re open to helping out with some volunteer time, despite your reservations about the chances for ultimate success. And even if it turns out that you’re right about them failing to raise enough money to finish the renovations in a timely manner and failing to get enough tenants/rent to make a go of it over the long haul, there’s still no reason to let it fall (further) into disrepair and become an ugly blight on the neighborhood. So by helping with lawn-mowing, painting, and that sort of thing, you can certainly help prevent some of your worst fears from coming true. Meanwhile, that work could free up some other folks to do other things to take on other tasks. So, go for it, it can’t hurt!

    Heck, maybe I’ll see you there. (You’ll know it’s me because I’ll probably be the clumsy guy who spills the paint bucket all over the sidewalk).


  107. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I will be the guy in the Ascot.

  108. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    High Finance don’t you care that the Serenity Inn a disruptive tax drain and yet they pay no property tax?

  109. July 24, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Hey guys there is a workparty scheduled on Tuesday July 26th from 3-6 at Jefferson stop by if you want to help, donate or just cheer on this community effort. We will be sprucing up the schoolyard and the landscaping. Please bring your own tools and safety equipment. If you have any old gardening or cleaning supplies, brooms, shovels, garbage cans, dustpans, rakes, lawn and garden equipment buckets, cleaners, rags any thing like this, please feel free to bring them by at this time. We have a secure storage facility just for this purpose.

  110. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Yes, there is clearly a lot of good energy for this project. I hope it works out better than a similar non-profit “community” effort down in So. Hum. where it turns out donations went to infrastructure and lot line adjustments that benefit private developers.This is the problem with so called “private” non-profits. it might be something wonderful or it might end up that the costs have been externalized to the community and the benefit internalized to a few insiders. Turns out we are just getting another development scheme that the community paid for. It’s really sad.
    Now it’s up for rezone to get it out of that pesky AE zoning that is so restrictive so that the majority of what’s left can be sold off to the highest bidder.
    But the Jefferson group will have elected board of directors and all open board meetings and financial transparency, yes?

  111. July 28, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Just curious if there is space or plans for a community garden space at Jefferson. I walk by there once in a while but I haven’t paid much attention.

    There seems to be some demand for community gardens in Eureka but sadly a lack of garden opportunities.

    have a peaceful day,

  112. July 29, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    There is bill, I will post an artists rendering that includes the proposed gardens on our facebo0ok page. go to our facebook page art Westies buy Jefferson and check it out. Heidi

  113. Anonymous
    July 29, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    How did the Work Party go, Heidi? Are there specific needs?

  114. July 30, 2011 at 12:17 am

    The workparty was GREAT there were lots of neighborhood kids probably about 20 folks in all. we really cleared out alot of the places people hide.

    Of course we need monetary donations, even small regular pledges will really help.

    PO BOX 5315
    Eureka 95502

    As far as maintenance goes we are all bringing our own yard and garden tools from home. Seems to be working OK so far. We are just chipping away like the little community group we are. I think our greatest asset is the overwhelming support of the community and the business’s above, man these guys are stepping up and helping a lot. We have all the plumbing leaks fixed, water on, and functional bathrooms, just dirt cheap. Getting ready to do the roof (bid is about 5% of what was in the City’s cost estimates) Jeese these guys are barely covering materials (but we will feed them!!!).

    A really specific need , we need a big name band. If anyone out there has a direct connection, help us out. Call the office at 444-2988 or email lets.buy.jefferson@gmail.com.

    Unlocking Ceremony is scheduled for August 6th at the playground.
    Thanks to all again, you guys are all unbelievable!!!!!!!!! Heidi

  115. Plain Jane
    July 30, 2011 at 9:24 am

    You guys are amazing, Heidi. I do wish you would consider setting up Paypal so people can donate with a click whenever they have a few bucks to spare. Making donations easier might make them more frequent.

  116. July 30, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Jane, You are right we are electronically WEAK! Definitely a place we know we have to build capacity. Heidi

  117. Plain Jane
    July 30, 2011 at 10:59 am

    It’s easy Heidi.


    It is my understanding that you can send a Paypal payment to any e-mail address and they will help you set up the account to receive the funds.

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