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Tyson’s cheerleaders come out swinging, lying

Cherie Arkley waves a $30,000 check to pay for her Balloon Track ballot measure.

An Op-Ed by former Eureka City Council members in today’s Times-Standard defends the city manager Dave Tyson against recent criticism, and tops it with a cherry made of horse poop.

Mike Jones, Jeff Leonard, Virginia Bass, Polly Endert, Mary Beth Wolford, Connie Miller, Cherie Arkley and Nancy Flemming repeat the talking point that only a “vocal minority” opposes Tyson.  They criticize City Councilwoman Linda Atkins for saying the majority of the council ignores city residents.  And for good measure, they throw some blame at former councilman Larry Glass.  Old habits are hard to break.

Atkins and Glass, they say, ignored citizens who wanted “the cleanup of the Balloon Track and the Marina Center project.”  But Tyson (and Ms. Arkley’s) stooges never wanted a real clean-up.  Their plan called for a cheap cover-up.

And to refresh the former councilmembers’ memories, Glass and Atkins voted to put the misleading Balloon Track measure on the ballot as requested by their constituents.

“Marina Center Now!” anyone?  These months later it is crystal clear — as it was then to anyone paying attention — that Measure N was a smokescreen.  The Balloon Track is still a toxic mess, the Arkley’s still dig their heels in the mud, and the incompetent tools who used Measure N as a campaign issue struggle to look independent while serving the monied class that put them in office.

  1. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Are you saying they should bypass the process to do a cleanup to speed things up?

  2. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 9:14 am

    They aren’t participating in the process, 9:09. They have, to my knowledge and despite a court decision that the CCC does have jurisdiction of the balloon tract, still not provided the necessary documents to advance the project through the process. Why are they deliberately stalling the process?

  3. July 22, 2011 at 9:14 am

    I was wondering what was exactly meant, ignore the process of cleaning a tioxic waste, or following through with the process?

    Either way, there is unwanted chemicals in the area that need to be cleaned up and it would seem people would want a willing private party to pay for this before they ask for State and Federal Funds to do it – which may never happen.

  4. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:37 am

    They’ve done everything that they can to delay and ignore the cleanup. How many lawsuits have Arkley’s political action committees filed? These groups seek to change the law to fit their development instead of following the laws set by the state of California, and the California Coastal Commission. This my-word seems desperate and filled with bitchiness. Clearly, they are trying to hide something and are fearful of differing opinions.

    Maybe it’s time to question what the one seated official on that list is doing to fulfill her campaign promise of jobs, jobs, jobs. Where are they Virginia Bass? We’ve had more closings and lay-offs, even your buddy Robin Arkley laid off a large number of employees, yet, you have created zero new jobs for our community. I thought that you were rolling out the welcome mat to business, and that was going to solve everything. Virginia Bass, I challenge you to accomplish something that benefits our community instead of joining in with lynch mobs that are doing nothing but bitching. Do something!

  5. Reality Check
    July 22, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I’ve always felt that diversity in opinions was what created a healthy community or at least a healthy dialogue. It’s hard to understand why such a group of elitists would come after the only voice of the people. Sure seems like they are afraid of truths that she is uncovering. It’s time to hold our politicians to task!

  6. Down the Road
    July 22, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Let us take a look at some of these noble people that signed
    that opinion page today. Mike Jones cannot speak without
    relating to something in his childhood. Rumor has it, when he
    was in office they had to replace the water pitcher because of
    what he kept pouring in his. Mary Beth, named a committee
    to do a White Paper on the crime in the West Side. What a joke,
    she did nothing for the crime on the West Side. She joined the
    historical society and then put plastic windows in the Victorian Houses she owns. Jeff Leonard a short sighted person who
    thought putting a 50 man l/2 way house full of parolees in a
    neighborhood was a good, because they would paint the
    building. His legacy is a skate park. Polly Endert, what can one
    say about this vacuous person. These past representatives were
    elected because they cow tow to a few that have money. That doesn’t make
    their intelligence any higher. It means they can buy more
    power and say so. I would think that people wouldn’t be impressed
    with the show of money. Basically, it is a cheap show. If David
    Tyson is a good city manager, then, why is this city so dirty?
    Why aren’t the civil ordinances enforced? Tyson can’t even
    write a legal employment contract. Why has he cost this city
    so much money? The article in the T.S. is a good example why
    this city is so F—ked up. This group could be used as a microscopic view as why the United States is in so much trouble..

  7. insider
    July 22, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Let’s see here, whats the connection between Dave Tyson -Security National’s failure to clean up the Baloon track -Larry Glass- and the firing of The Police Chief without cause……….hmmmmm.
    could it be Rob Arkley?

  8. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Both sides of this are completely irritating. This group don’t listen to the left, and the left don’t listen them. The mention in this article that polarization rots the community, or something that affect, is almost funny to hear from these people. If I heard it from “the progressives” I would also laugh. This community is so polarized and it comes from extreme political philosophies that need to be more open-minded and moderate. I won’t be affiliated with either group. Had it with the phoniness, the single-mindedness, and the extremist views of this particular “posse”, and the opposition has little to offer in the way of wanting to work together either. Bleachhh!

  9. July 22, 2011 at 10:18 am

    This is simply the opening salvo of the right wing’s campaign to terminate Linda Atkins. They are better organiized than we are doncha think?

    Also note that Richard Marks is sounding more and more like a candidate. He mentioned the other day that he is a “property owner” in Eureka. What ward is his property in and can he establish residence there? Is it possible that Marks will contend for a council seat?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  10. Percy
    July 22, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Ms. Atkins seems to dwell on the fact that the city council is not listening to their constituents. Yet in 2010, Ms. Atkins and former city councilmember Larry Glass all but ignored their constituents and instead listened to the vocal minority that was against the cleanup of the Balloon Track and the Marina Center project.

    That pretty much shows that the puppet master’s cheerleaders have no credibility and are nothing but liars and fools.

  11. some facts
    July 22, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Glass voted against the so called clean up plan and lost 4-1. Atkins and Glass voted against certifying the EIR. Later Atkins and Glass both voted to let Eurekans decide the zoning.
    The Clean up plan has been tested in several court cases and lost every time. The EIR has yet to stand a court test. Measure N has not been tested.

  12. William Verick
    July 22, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Let us never forget that the holding of Judge Feeney and the Court of Appeal was that actually just cleaning up a nuisance does not require a coastal development permit. And that means that Arkley’s handmaidens — Tyson, Wolford, Fleming, Jones, Def Leopard, Endert, Miller and Bass — could strap on their aprons, hoist their brooms and dustpans, and get right out to the Baloon Track right now and start cleaning it up.

    All they are prohibited from doing is grading the site and filling wetlands.

    I walk by that place almost every day and I’ve never once seen Dave Tyson out there sweeping.

  13. Jay B
    July 22, 2011 at 10:30 am

    I think this article is predictably disingenuous. It doesn’t address the crux of the problem between these two groups. To simply say Arkley is leaving this place, a place that was contaminated when he bought it, a toxic dump is over-simplifying the situation. The courts are identifying what is an adequate clean-up and who has jurisdiction to determine the adequacy of the clean-up. Of course Arkley and anyone of us would wait for this determination from the courts before forking over millions of dollars.
    Heraldo, you should, at the very least, try to present the problem in a genuine way to allow for real discussion on real issues. The irony of you pointing out the right’s false portrayal of Glass when you depict this situation in such a manner is laughable and sadly typical. It does however give the progressives something to whine about so I guess that is fun.

  14. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 10:33 am

    could you add Measure N to the quick links that accompany this story please.

  15. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 10:39 am

    How many courts have to make that determination before they begin the clean up they are so anxious to do, Jay B?

  16. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 10:42 am

    anyone of us would wait for this determination from the courts before forking over millions of dollars.

    WRONG!. Some of us wouldn’t have bought the property unless we intended to do a full clean-up. If you’re doing a full clean-up, why wait for the courts to decide if you can get away with a partial clean-up? No one would stand in your way if you intended to do a full clean-up.

  17. Jay B
    July 22, 2011 at 10:44 am

    If the court ruling went against your liberal views and was being appealed farther up the judicial ladder, would you not wait until the courts had run their full course before conceding defeat PJ? I know I would.

  18. Jay B
    July 22, 2011 at 10:45 am

    10:42, a “full clean-up” is what is being disputed. That is what the court system is currently in the process of being decided. I’m not agreeing with Arkley. I’m simply saying look at this from a fair and realistic standpoint.

  19. The Big Picture
    July 22, 2011 at 10:59 am

    As Mr. Verick pointed out, nothing was stopping them from initiating a full cleanup from day-one. We can only wonder how many millions they’ve spent fighting it.

    “Political divisiveness is a slow rot that disgusts the majority of the public”.

    These folks are truly disgusting. They know damn-well the right and left are both “vocal minorities” splitting the votes of half the potential electorate that’s either unregistered or abstains in every election.

    “I sincerely hope our local mainstream print media takes this to heart”.

    Ditto.

  20. janelle
    July 22, 2011 at 11:04 am

    So, These former elected officials seem to be of the opinion that if you don’t already have three votes, you should shut up and move along. That doesn’t sound very open minded.

    Linda Adkins assisted a group of people who, like herself, wanted the City Council to know that the Police Department was much improved and that the City Manager should be required to explain why, if there was no cause, he fired the person who made the changes.

    I’ve been told that Fortuna’s CM contract used Eureka’s as a model. If that is true then, unless this progressive City Council changed his contract when he agreed not to retire, four votes are needed to remove the City Manager. These folks have read the City Charter, does it allow the Council to give the City Manager the added protection of a super majority?

  21. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 11:06 am

    No Jay B. If I was in a hurry to get a project completed, I would accept the court’s ruling which is based on the law and precedents and cooperate with the regulatory agencies to move the process along. If I was merely using it as a political tool to take control of local government (and advance my deregulatory agenda) I would use every possible legal maneuver to stall it.

  22. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 11:11 am

    sour grapes ?

  23. Decline To State
    July 22, 2011 at 11:12 am

    It was interesting in the “My Word” piece that this group of has-been, good-old-boy politicians claimed to know what Tyson did and did not say to the current council while they were in closed session. I did agree with them however that it is pointless to try to get rid of Tyson directly. Our energies should be spent on replacing the city council (with the exception of Linda Atkins) and having them replace the city manager.

    Elsewhere in the Times Standard I see we are still trying to find someone to permanently fill the office of city attorney that’s been empty for a year now.

  24. Oldphart
    July 22, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Got the “came out swinging’ part, point out the “lying”. Headlines like the Nat’l Enquirer. Where are the UFOs?

  25. Jay B
    July 22, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I find that really hard to believe PJ. How do you feel about gay advocates appealing the ban on gay marriage to the Supreme Court? Or appealing a court ruling to allow oil drilling off the coast of California? Should people just accept these rulings? The judicial appeals process is their for a reason and I don’t think you would have a problem when the left takes advantage of it. To criticize Arkley for using the judicial system to get what he wants and sees as fair seems like just another way the left applies double standards to Arkley. You can think he’s 100% wrong. But the fact that he’s appealing a decision shouldn’t further discredit him.

  26. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 11:32 am

    I’m not criticizing him for using it, Jay B. It’s just obvious that he is in no hurry to get the Marina Project done and is using it as a political cudgel on opponents of his Arkleyville vision. The law on this is settled and his appeals aren’t going to change the law. Civil rights are a different matter entirely as are environmental protections of the commons. They aren’t fought for personal profit but for society’s benefit as a whole.

  27. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Do you know how much Arkley has spent so far fighting the Coastal Commission, Baykeeper and turning the Marina Center into a political tool, Jay? Wouldn’t that money have been more productively spent doing a real clean up?

  28. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Dear Jannelle

    The police department was NOT improved. Neilsen was a horrible chief, leader, and person. Larry’s lefties kept the spin going to protect GN, but the more Neilsen was around the more poeple outside of the poilice department got to know what he was like and what a disaster he was. But he is gone and Atkins 200 or so supporters can’t change that. Get over it.

    Larry can always rent another apartment in Eureka and run again.

  29. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Let’s start asking the most important question-what has Dave Tyson covered up for these past city employees? I believe that a public records request for the travel expenses for all of these past employees while on the city council would highlight exactly what Dave Tyson has covered up. Just a thought!

  30. July 22, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Declined to State nailed the most significant issue, which is that these former council members were apparently informed on what exactly was and was not said at a closed session council meeting. The details of how that came about should be investigated.

    I don’t know that they care nearly as much about defeating a lone dissenting voice on the ECC as they do about getting Rex Bohn elected to the BoS so that Bass can count to three. That’s the biggest race in the county for 2012. But then they have the resources to do both…

  31. July 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Richard Marks has a house in the Henderson Center area.

  32. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    The mere fact they wrote the letter indicates they know public opinion is against them. If the opposition was just Linda and the usual band of progs, they wouldn’t care. But this time it’s Linda and a band of gray-haired Republicans who are pissed off.

  33. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    About the Opinion piece today-Linda you uppity woman, don’t you know that in Eureka women should know their place. Always follow the local stupid sheep as they walk off the cliff. Remember that you were not born here and so you are not welcome here. Unlike many others you possess a brain and have great intelligence but this is a disadvantage in our metropolis of Eureka. For many years this place has been run by a lot of slimy, self-serving, small thinking individuals. That is why it is such a down and out backwater and not the prosperous and beautiful place it really should be. It is futile to try to change it. So remember your place in this town, Linda you Uppity Woman.

  34. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Sounds like Linda is being treated like the help-and we know we sho got us some Hilly Holbrooks round here!

  35. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Wolford signed on to this Opinion letter? Biggest opportunist to ever set foot in Humboldt. Became president of The Heritage Society to get on their good side so she could bulldoze an historic house without any flack. Got on the Eureka City Council to approve hundreds of thousands of redevelopment tax $ for her pet project. This goes to show that any carpetbagger can worm their way into Eureka and be respected. This is disgusting.

  36. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Oh Miss Arkley, Miss Bass, Miss Fleming, Miss Endert, Miss Wolford, and Miss Miller are dealing with a fear a changin! Theys gonna keep the help in their place as long as they can, cause they been in control o this community for a long, long time. And they ain’t givin up they power without spreadin as much bullshit as they can! They just don’t recognize that times they are a changin! This ain’t no old boy Eureka no more. Those folks been dyin off, or movin away cause they ain’t got no jobs no more. These newer folks livin here now, and we lookin for answers, not excuses!

  37. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    So what did the My Word piece say ?

    – “Any decision to hire or fire any public employee is a personnel decision & cannot be discussed unless the public employee in question waives their right to privacy.”

    True beyond any shadow of a doubt.

    “Politics is all about compromise & working together. You win some & you lose some.”

    Also true.

    “Eureka has a city manager form of government. The City Manager runs the day-to-day operations”

    Also true.

    “At no time did David Tyson ever tell the city council how to vote.”

    Despite your insults to the contrary, this statement is undeniably true.

    Then they criticise Linda Atkin’s sorry decision to publicly attack all the other city council members and the City Manager. They say this is a terrible idea for anyone on any city council or board of any kind. This statement is not only true but it is obvious to any mature adult with experience.

    Then the group says that Tyson didn’t run off all the recent department heads that left. That, if anything, the department heads (except Neilsen) thought Larry Glass was a huge headache & bully. I only knew one of those department heads and that describes that person’s feelings perfectly.

  38. July 22, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    To anonymous at 11:42; tell me how you would measure a good police chief. By all the measures most of us would use, Garr Nielsen was doing a fantastic job-I have no idea what was going on inside the Police Dept. building. I can tell you that before the arrival of Garr Nielsen the police dispatchers actually argued with residents of this city. As examples; how many bad guys can you see (well we need to know how many officers to send out)? Do they have guns (what, you want me to go look?) There is a big difference between a car that is light gold and one that is tan; did you get the license plates on the cars? And on and on; all that changed when Chief Nielsen arrived. There were investigations, and there was actual follow-up, there were regular patrols-even in the alleys. If it wasn’t the chief who made the difference (the police regulars at city council have said they were the big difference, not the chief) then why did their response change markedly when Garr Nielsen came here? He was making a big difference to us, the citizens of Eureka. His termination without cause seems a genuine slap in the face to many of us; and it seems it was Dave Tyson who led this action-completely. I am sick to death of his actions against the people of this city.

  39. Oldphart
    July 22, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    200 signatures pretty much wraps this up. A loud and proud 200 who will be heard. Again and again. Calling elected officials the good ol’ boys is getting pretty old. Run for office yourselves. Get elected and then figure out how to count to three. If you don’t have it then pick a fight you can win. That is politics. Oh yeah, and actually being civil to the folks around you. You don’t have to agree with them, just don’t be disagreeable. Or you can just be a jerk. That will work until the next election.

  40. High Finance
    July 22, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Oh for heaven’s sake Owl ! You criticise the dispatchers for wanting to know how many bad guys there are or if they have guns ????? You don’t think the dispatchers should ask for details on their cars ?????

    Don’t you think that would be useful information to the cop pulling up on the scene ? I can almost gaurantee you that the dispatchers were asking the same questions when Neilsen was chief. If not, then Neilsen should have been fired for that alone !!

    The fact of the matter is, any police chief in any city has the City Manager as his boss. Only a stupid person or one wanting to be fired starts a war with his boss.

  41. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    We are not taken seriously by the city unless we have gone to high school with Dave and friends. We are not taken seriously if we are newcomers. We are not taken seriously if we live in the old Historic neighborhoods. If you live in East Eureka I am sure you would not have clue that this is true. Go to Dave if you are not an insider and you get nothing. Sometime you get a snide remark along with complete disdain. Chief Neilsen made made a dramatic change for many of us. This is the first time we ever got any respect and had our concerns for safety and quality of life taken seriously. And guess what? Larry Glass made a difference too. I know a lot of you Larry haters don’t want to hear this but it is true.

  42. July 22, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    O.K. HiFi; If there’s a loud and very angry confrontation taking place outside your home, scaring the wits out of your family, and the police dispatch says; well do they have guns? Are YOU going to go out there and look? For Heavens Sake, the police do their jobs in other cities-they don’t grill you about the number of offenders even in the worst neighborhoods in Watts for crying out loud, they respond and call for back-up if needed! Are you so used to the incompetence here that it’s fine with you? It’s not fine with lots of us, we saw a positive difference and were thrilled; now, not so much.

  43. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    It sure looks to me like those who signed this Op-Ed are running scared.

    Once again, the desperate but unproven claim that those who question the City Manager and the current council majority are nothing but a tiny “vocal minority” is repeated, as if chanting it over and over, almost like an incantation, will somehow magically make that true.

    If they were really so convinced that the vast majority of Eurekans were solidly on their side, they wouldn’t feel the need to put so much effort in to disparaging Ms. Atkins and those who she represents.

    Methinks they doth protest too much!

  44. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    I am especially amused by HiFi’s contention that all these department heads left due to “bullying” from one councilmember, who didn’t even have a majority on the council.

    I wonder if when these people were back in grade school, they cowered at the edge of the playground out of fear of “bullying” by a single small-ish kid on the playground, even though a larger group of their own friends dominated the place?

  45. Stephen
    July 22, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Heraldo accusing anyone of lying…hardi-har-har on believability on that one!

    Good for a chuckle though, liars anons being the real name for “Heraldo”..

  46. Living In Eureka
    July 22, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Why don’t we just fire the damn council & appoint Dave Tyson King & get it over with????? Linda has my vote, she is the only one of those asses that has any balls anyway. It’s real simple, the police sucked before Garr. Now I have no idea how he was to work for & frankly, I don’t care, he got the job done. If the police were doing their job to begin with, no one would care one way or the other!

  47. Living In Eureka
    July 22, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    PS – does any of these idiots know Larry Glass???? Now I will admit he will never get voted Miss Congeniality & perhaps the UN will function just fine without him. But really, they are still trying to spin this “Bully” crap! If everyone of these council members worked as hard for this city as Larry Glass did, we wouldn’t have any damn problems! This city takes longer to less than a bunch of one legged men at an ass kicking party!

  48. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    You are all uninformed, misinformed, liars, or just plain stupid! With the obvious exception of Hi Fi. Of course that is just my opinion from reading the drivel you put out.

  49. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Maybe John Fullerton/Hi-Fi should just focus on laundering money for Rex Bohn’s campaign

  50. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    I don’t know where R. Salzman or DTR read that the former council members were informed of what took place in the closed session regarding firing Nielsen. There is nothing in the TS article that even hints at it.

  51. Down the Road
    July 22, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Hi-Fi: City code (’63 @-5.118: Request for hearings and filing
    answers. Any officer or employee of the city in the competitive
    service and any other permanent employee not excluded by the
    provisions of Charter 800 who shall be demoted, dismissed, or
    suspended shall have the right to receive a written notice to
    appeal such action and to file an answer to such charges as
    provided in the personnel rules and regulations. Again, you stupid
    ass, the At Will Employment Contract was in violation of the
    California Labor Laws 2922 and 2924. G. Nielsen was not given
    the right of a written notice or written notice as to why he was
    fired.

    The self-serving group that wrote the article are depending
    on this city’s company town or plantation thinking to continue
    to control their own platforms or the platforms of a few.

    It was not Linda Atkin’s idea to circulate a petition. It was ours,
    we wrote it. The signatures gathered did not take 3 days, it
    took 2 hours. No, I am not a Progressive. I am sick of the
    vulgar display of ignorance shown by the Eureka City Manager
    and the group he serves or as I hear service him.

  52. suzy Q
    July 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    I’m pretty sure Tyson is Rex’s book keeper. I think the two have been skiming from Redwood Fields for years. There should be and audit.

  53. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    “we did something the writer of the NCJ story did not. We called four former city employees and asked why they left.”

    We who? Did all eight of them get together in a room with a speaker phone and call these people?

  54. suzy Q
    July 22, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    no. they’re just taking tysons word for it. they should name names. if they don’t this will be writen off as more propaganda.

  55. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS!!!!
    There are reasons that these former council members are so quick to defend Dave Tyson-because he has pulled strings for them and their corporate sponsors in the past, and he promises to do so in the future.
    With Dave’s reputation, I can only imagine the kind of benefits that Cherie, Virginia, Polly, Nancy, Connie, and Mary Beth have received over the years.

  56. July 22, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Bill: No I have no intention to run for Eureka City Council. I am happy to serve the 4th Division as Harbor Commissioner and Vice Chair. I am buried in softball from spring to fall as President of Mad River Softball, I am also on the Board of Directors for Humboldt Domestic Violence Services and Northern California Director for United States Sports Specialty Association. I am trying to find someone to take my place as a Director on the Samoa Peninsula Fire Department. I am just finishing business for the Association of Western Pulp and Paper Workers local 49 of which I am last President Standing.

    I am sliding safe into retirement in a few months and am in the process of taking things off my plate, not add.

    Linda will have a tough time getting re-elected. This is more than obvious. About the same as Larry one year ago. Same agenda, same results.

  57. July 22, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Thanks for the clarification Richard.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  58. insider
    July 22, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    no measure N this time, that will make a big difference!

  59. Decline To State
    July 22, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    PJ @ 4:57 I’m assuming that by DTR you meant DTS (me) and the reference in the TS that I was trying to make was this quote from the article: “…at no time did David Tyson ever tell the city council how to vote.”

    The point I was trying to make was that these ones have no better information or idea about what goes on behind closed doors than the rest of us. It’s all pure speculation on their/our part.

    I’m not sure the point Richard was trying to make but appreciate his support of my statement.

  60. anon
    July 22, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    First of all, it is very sad and telling that Tyson a) feels he needs to be propped up and defended or that b) his friends think he needs to be. If his actions were above reproach, nothing would need to be said.

    Also telling is the loss of several department heads in a relatively short amount of time and the fact that some haven’t been replaced. Since the former heads are undoubtedly smarter than the average joe (they got out!), I am sure none of them would burn a bridge and besmirch their former boss, especially to one of the bullying, grudge-carrying authors of the piece.

    There is a reason that there is no city attorney yet, and ask David why the city is spending thousands of dollars getting legal opinions for personnel issues. Could it be because the the person he put in the job is a buddy and a yes man who has NO experience in human resources?

    And i’m not sure why the authors would bother to attack Glass since they are saying he is irrelevant every chance they get, except maybe they either still feel threatened by him or they can’t let go, both of which are also telling.

    And now they are trying to attack Linda & make her irrelevant also, but really she just pre-empted them by speaking out herself and showing that she is 1 person in the city who has integrity. She certainly had nothing to gain since she is also smart enough to know she would incur the wrath of the mighty (in-its-own-mind) Team Arkley. There are more important things than being on that team & thank goodness some people realize it.

    With people like Tyson, the Arkleys, some of the council members, present and former around, Eureka will never be more than an isolated,rundown, semi-shithole burg that can’t get its act together.

    Get used to it, folks.

  61. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    This was a declaration of war on Linda Atkins. How DARE she stand up for her constituents against the majority of the council?

  62. anon
    July 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    They declared war on Bonnie, then Larry, now Linda. It’s actually going to be kinda funny to see that they still may not get their way on some issues. But let’s see how much money they can throw around in the meantime.

    And if they think Tyson doesn’t have the council under his thumb, well, that’s even funnier. But I for one don’t believe for a minute they don’t already know that.

  63. pattycakes
    July 22, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Dave, this is very very pitiful. Did this crew also write Patty a letter about what a faithful standup guy you are and that you would never cheat on her?

  64. tra
    July 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Linda will have a tough time getting re-elected. This is more than obvious.

    “Obvious” only to those who are deep in the groupthink / echo chamber of Tyson/Arkley sycophants.

  65. Lodgepole
    July 22, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I think anon 10:17 put it best.

  66. July 22, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    IS RUSH .RIGHT? COMPROMISE IS FOR LOSERS–WINNNERS
    DO NOT COMPROMISE. OR CAN ONE BE THE LOYAL OPPOSITION.

  67. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Maybe Richard should send out false endorsements flyers for the candidate opposing Linda Atkins-his lies worked last election and he was booted out of the Democratic Central Committee for it! Such an impressive idiot!

  68. The Monitor
    July 22, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    I do hope that one of you progs writes a my word in rebuttal to this crap we are expected to swallow. Privilege and money sure has a loud voice in this community. Their noses are really up in the air, allowing the possibility that some common debris to fly up those up turned holes. One could only hope. Someone of you word smiths need to give the people of Eureka the other side of the story. This blog is really a very narrow audience.

  69. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Richard,
    I think you should stay on the spfd and help usher in the much needed annexation and unification of the samoa peninsulam, imo.

  70. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Agreed. 10:17 put it well. Both sides on this issue have dug their respective heels in too far.

    I admire Linda Atkins for standing up to the “powers that be.” I do think she took it a too far in this case, particularly for her own good. (Though she may no longer care.) She has been the voice of reason on the council and I feel her recent actions came across as out of character, even though I understand the underlying reasons. She is now more than ever an Arkley target and they will relentlessly work to destroy her, as is they do anyone who opposes them or who they feel stands in their way.

    As for the “My Word” piece, one can only wonder who wrote that for the “posse” since it is too carefully crafted to have come from any one of that group. The Arkley contingent still doesn’t see the truth and probably won’t until it’s too late for everyone. Sad.

  71. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    very narrow …….. losers

  72. July 22, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    6:51pm: Was not booted. I was elected by the largest majority as a member of the HCDCC for the 4th District. My fellow moderates. And I was on the executive board. Actually worked for the Democrats.. Linda and Larry and other Greenocrats asked for my resignation because of my support for Marian Brady and Virginia Bass. (Both Moderate Democrats) I didn’t want to see more paranoia on the HCDCC and resigned. The HCDCC did nothing good to help their candidates and I was willing to at least steer them in the right direction. Andrew Bird screwed that up and wasted thousands of Democrat dollars I could have saved them.

  73. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Virginia Bass was a republican until 9 months ago-so let’s not lie about her being a Democrat. You don’t expect anyone to call you out for the hypocrite that you are. You were brought into politics by the people that you now oppose, and for one simple reason-you are a yellow-belly opportunist! You should be ashamed of the man that you have become.

  74. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Richard Marks has been bought and paid for by the elitists and elitist groupies in this town. How disappointing that he once represented the union/labor workers of our community, and now only supports what the do-nothing old boy network commands.

  75. grackle
    July 22, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    It’s a shame to see personal attacks on folks who come here to talk, Anonymous. Doesn’t help anybody.

    “I do hope that one of you progs writes a my word in rebuttal to this crap we are expected to swallow. ”

    This was probably a response to this

  76. Anonymous
    July 22, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    If anyone ever had any doubts about Jeff Leonard…..

  77. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 2:08 am

    Linda Atkins has made a fool of herself !! That is the long and short of it.

    Hold on, I’m going to hire an attorney to figure out what my rights are.

  78. tra
    July 23, 2011 at 7:00 am

    That is the the long and short of it.

    Long on opinion, short on facts.

  79. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Unfortunately, nasty little snipes like Down The Road are all too common here.

    Richard is personally attacked because he dared to help non left wing moderates win city council races.

    Jeff Leonard has been personally attacked because he was a moderate Democrat on the council and didn’t always do what the left wingers wanted.

    Virginia has been personally attacked because she was a moderate & defeated the left’s favorite supervisor.

    Tyson has been personally attacked (and viciously) by cowards here because he helped stop the Jefferson purchase by the city. Even though the proggies now think the result has been favorable the personal attacks continue especially now he fired the left’s favorite police chief.

    Rex is getting the start of another round of smears. The despicable post by Susy Q above should make all of you ashamed.

    All the signers of the remarkable TS opinion piece are now being accused of corruption by the likes of the Anon at 11.57am.

    Everytime you people launch your smears you help the conservatives win over more people turned off by your despicable tatics. Grownups would criticise your opponents actions without the personal smears but you guys will never learn.

  80. Down the Road
    July 23, 2011 at 8:30 am

    I have said nothing I have not said to the past council members
    face. The authors of the article and the current office holders
    save one are not fit to hold public office. They are part of the problem. Incredible, that these ignorant people are and have
    been making decisions for us. As to my calling you a stupid
    ass, it was not a snipe, but fact.

  81. July 23, 2011 at 9:21 am

    9:57pm-I was not brought into politics by those I now opposed. They opposed me from the start! Democrats for Neely only made me join the HCDCC to try to bring about moderation. I first ran for office and served on the HCDCC in the 90’s, way before this HCDCC became the far left.

    By the way, I am still an associate member of the HCDCC because there are many good people on the committee, even if I disagree with some.

    Time to go play ball with my buddies who could give a rats ass about politics and we will talk about jobs, family and life in general. Some of you anonymous posters make me sad about your lives.

  82. July 23, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Tyson has been personally attacked …because he helped stop the Jefferson purchase by the city.

    Even when the previous council voted unanimously to move forward with the purchase, Tyson was working to stop it. It’s a fine example of Tyson overstepping his power.

  83. Ben
    July 23, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Atkins attempted a move that required significantly more political capital than she possessed and therefore is getting the backlash from those whom she faulted. Unfortunately this blog’s voice is not able to change the outcome of elections and the future direction of our community.
    Anonymous statements have no convincing value, but to raise the volume of the discussion and become irrelevant to change. If the anonymous commenters had an effective voice, then the outcomes of the last elections would not have been so decisive.
    If Atkins can not gain a level of statesmanship, then she will probably go the way of Neely and Glass, who both overestimated their political capital and community support. Getting headlines and your picture in the paper does not directly translate to public support.

  84. Smart 5th Grader
    July 23, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Richard Marks / Joe Lieberman. What a pair of nuts!

  85. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Maybe Atkins won’t run again… maybe she is tired of fighting the battle. She seems like she has been battling for a long time. Maybe she might just want a rest.

  86. July 23, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Magnanimous and then some, HUH, Heraldo? Don’t you just love how some of these conflicted people call the pot black?

  87. July 23, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    I’m not sure why the ex-councilmembers are complaining. Obviously they feel that a majority isn’t sufficient. They demand unanimity.

  88. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    This is about Atkins’ tone and tactics. Ad hominum attacks by Atkins against an employee and anybody who does not agree with her set her apart. She clearly does not play well wiht others Clearly, Glass and the Heraldo flks has not gotten over Glass’ whipping.
    Really, this whole thing is pathetic. What does Arkley have to with this. Glass and Atkins have failed all on their own, all of their lives, without Arkley’s help. This is yet another example.

  89. July 23, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    As I said, Anonymous, I’m not sure why the ex-councilmembers are complaining. You haven’t offered much of an explanation.

  90. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    I didn’t read it as complaining. I read it as supporting the city manager and the four council members who are being criticised by a few people.

    But really this is all about 2012. Atkins is trying to rally her base and attract the Glass followers. (She should ask Glass how well that worked for him)

    The other side just launched the first salvo against Atkins. Ask the average person in the street, Atkins comes off looking very bad indeed.

  91. July 23, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    “Ask the average person in the street…”

    I’ll get right on that HiFi.

  92. Ed
    July 23, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    is if there are any average people in Humboldt…

  93. tra
    July 23, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    My explanation is that they’re a whole lot more worrried than they would admit, and a whole lot less confident than they pretend to be that those who are upset about things like the sudden pullout from the Jefferson School purchase deal and the firing of Chief Nielsen without cause are in fact such a “tiny minority.”

    I think they’re attacking Atkins precisely because they fear that she’s gained some real traction with her strong criticism of the actions of the City Manager and the current Council majority.

  94. Decline To State
    July 23, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I think you’re right tra. Their whole My Word piece was just to put the “proper” spin on a bunch of their screw ups.

  95. High Finance
    July 23, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    You guys are whistling past the graveyard.

    I don’t blame you. When your fellows only got 200 signatures you must have become very worried.

  96. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Whistling past a graveyard full of complacent has-beens…

  97. pattycakes
    July 23, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    So Atkins should just go along to get along? Yeah that’s what Eureka needs in its politicians for sure.

    Whether it comes off as a smart political move or not, Atkins at least has the courage and integrity to stand up for the things she thinks are wrong. She doesn’t come off looking bad. The ones who made the statement do, because if they truly had right and might on their side why would they need to do anything? Yes I, too, think someone is a tad defensive and worried.

  98. anon
    July 23, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    HiFi while you’re trying to put a little spin on the 200 signatures, what spin would you put on the fact that there are currently departments under Tyson without permanent heads and that he has lost several in an embarassingly short period of time for a city this size, and that he is spending way over budget in human resources alone to get attorney opinions because Bird doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground?

  99. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Linda is the only council person up there that is not a Lemming.

  100. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    If Tyson was the CEO of a major money making business how would he be rated.

  101. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Is a public accessible audit available to tally the money
    Tyson has spent on settlements, early pay outs, etc?
    It would be a good campaign talking point to have a fixed number and have the documentation to back it up. Whether or not you liked Garr, the fact is that big bucks have been spent during Tyson’s tenure to clean up these personnel messes. The buck stops with him and a city council that allows his sloppy “management style” to continue to cost the tax payers. $600,000?

  102. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Owls Friend 12:59 – You didn’t mention children being used to deliver drugs. Or drug dealers allowed to operate without interruption. Drug dealers waving to the police (Suzy) for one. Terrified neighbors living in fear round the clock. Prostitution non-stop in the neighborhoods. What about having a crime treated lightly. I guess that’s because we live in a neighborhood not popular with the IN CROWD. What about drug dealers and thieves prowling our neighborhoods stealing anything nailed down or not. Numerous muggings of good citizens. Drug houses and dealers blatantly selling drugs only a block from the police department. That is just a fraction of what was going on before Garr.

  103. July 23, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    “I think they’re attacking Atkins precisely because they fear that she’s gained some real traction…”

    If anyone has a better explanation, I’m all ears.

  104. Down the Road
    July 23, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    I reread the article. First it did not take 3 days to get the 200
    signatures. It took 2 hours. Second, these people are off
    track. No one was talking about the Balloon Track regarding the
    firing of David Tyson. They were talking about the way he
    has spent the taxpayer’s money. Because of Tyson the lawsuit
    by T. Hansen cost the city 100,000 cash, plus a lifetime of
    disability payments to Hansen, plus attorney cost. That example
    was about his behavior. He hired outside contractors to handle complaints from the Fire Department personnel and police
    personnel. The cost ran around $l68,000. This usually is handled
    by a committee of private citizens. He bought 5 police cars that
    are no longer being produced and they sit in the garages without
    the proper equipment to use them. He lost the lawsuit filed by
    Don Davenport against the proposed use of the Fireside Inn.
    Cost around $60,000. He had a grudge against the police chief.
    He fired him without cause and against California Labor Law.
    This is what the people are angry about.

    Bass, Arkley and the rest of the twisted sisters are a prime
    example of who should not be in decision making positions.
    For the record Linda Atkins voted with the rest of the council
    for the balloon track. Larry Glass voted against it. How pathetic
    that these base people are still using Larry as a target. He did
    a good job, tact is not one of his attributes.

  105. grackle
    July 23, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Down the road, would you send your 7:31 comment as a letter to the TS? It is a good and succinct rebuttal to the opinion piece of the past poobahs.

  106. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    No wonder Eureka is such a mess. The buffoons that signed the letter were actually making decisions for the City of Eureka!

  107. Anonymous
    July 23, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    I call bullshit, DTR – the petition was also in front of the Works over the fourth of july weekend; moreover, when you did go to houses, you specifically targeted those you thought would sign – kinda like the KINS opinion polls, as far a being barometer of what the public thinks.

  108. pattycakes
    July 23, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    and still HiFi doesn’t/can’t/won/t weigh in?

  109. July 23, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    anon @ 8:09

    What would you gain by knocking on the doors of houses that have a high probability of refusing to sign?

    This part isn’t rocket science. Go think about it for an hour and get back to us.

    Wow.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  110. July 23, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    To Down The Road at 7:31; I agree your comment is well stated and we need a rebuttal to the insulting My Word piece signed by Mike Jones and all, send it to the Times Standard. It sure doesn’t feel like we are a vocal minority-they want to think that. When the Friday July 1st meeting was called on 25 hours notice I was amazed (so was Tyson and his group) by the crowd in the council chambers. It didn’t seem then that the citizens who were angry over the termination of Garr were in the minority-it still doesn’t. We have asked the City Council to do an actual professional search for the next police chief; haven’t heard a word about that.

  111. July 24, 2011 at 6:19 am

    We have asked the City Council to do an actual professional search for the next police chief; haven’t heard a word about that..

    Are you suggesting the search that resulted in Nielsen’s hiring wasn’t professionally done?

  112. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Click and scroll to view the festival of spot-zoning brought to this hell-hole by this group of complacent sycophants:

    http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/California/eureka/tableofspecialordinances?fn=altmain-nf.htm$f=templates$3.0

    Pork-barrel corruption? Eureka! Come find it…

  113. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 9:23 am

    grackle @7:56 Down the road, would you send your 7:31 comment as a letter to the TS?

    The Times-Standard doesn’t publish anonymous letters…

  114. anon
    July 24, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Know what the opinion piece sounds like?

    Dear Teacher,
    Please excuse David for being absent and not turning his homework in on time. He is still dealing with his ego and micro-managing issues, a need for revenge, a god complex, an overactive libido, trying to cover his tracks with his budget shell games and keeping the city council dog-and-pony-show in line. if you could just give him a little more time to really take the city down the rathole, that would be great.
    Sincerely, Team Arkley.

  115. July 24, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Fred Mangels says:
    July 24, 2011 at 6:19 am

    <We have asked the City Council to do an actual professional search for the next police chief; haven’t heard a word about that..

    Are you suggesting the search that resulted in Nielsen’s hiring wasn’t professionally done?

    Even a broken clock is correct twice a day Fred ..Which is a lot more often than you…

  116. July 24, 2011 at 9:51 am

    We have asked the City Council to do an actual professional search for the next police chief; haven’t heard a word about that..

    Are you suggesting the search that resulted in Nielsen’s hiring wasn’t professionally done?

    Even a broken clock is correct twice a day Fred ..Which is a lot more often than you…

  117. anon
    July 24, 2011 at 10:52 am

    They won’t do a professional search. No money. Murl will undo a lot Nielsen did, already has, will retire as acting chief, and then you will see another backwoods inbred buffoon installed, someone David can bully. Just a prediction.

  118. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 11:49 am

    That this ridiculous group all signed this letter speaks volumes. No wonder Eureka is such a backward and dirty shit-pile.

  119. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Hey Heraldo, how many posts did you take off that slammed this group of ridiculous past city council members that signed this letter? 15? Too bad.

  120. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Bill, step away from your bong for a sec, kay? Posters here are trying to point out the speed that the signatures were collected (which was a lie – it was not just two hours) – as an indicator of populace’s discontent with the action to fire GN.

    But – those sigs were by and large cherrypicked from homes known to be supporters – and STILL you only got two hundred sigs? Were the signature collectors afraid of going to homes where they didnt agree with the petition?

    Again, as a barometer of the public’s view, this petition has as much credibility as the KINS opinion polls.

  121. Plain Jane
    July 24, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    12:20 doesn’t know the difference between a petition and a poll. A poll is to gauge support and opposition. A petition is an expression of a particular view. Asking people known to be in opposition to the view expressed by a petition is not only annoying, it’s a waste of valuable time. Now maybe 12:20 can explain how it knows how many signatures were collected over what period of time.

  122. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    You are oversimplifying the petition. These signatures show dissent in opinion, which is healthy. Not everyone believes that the firing of Garr Nielsen was the right action for Eureka. Why is having a differing opinion wrong? I thought that we had a representative democracy, where diverse opinions are considered in how govern our community. What this letter highlighted was that we live under a dictatorship, where any differing opinion is not tolerated. Quit bitching that some of us don’t buy the bullshit that seems to spew out of the “old boy crowd.” Born and bred local politicians that have political family histories do not represent the voice of blue collar Eureka-just do a comparison in the cars these politicians drive and the homes they live in versus everyday citizens.

  123. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Intolerant elitists that are hiding something!
    What other community has former politicians standing up for a city manager that has cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawsuits during an economic crisis, has brought shame to his own community for his own sexual liaisons, and has already attempted to retire? Let it go old guard. Fire Dave Tyson and move on!

  124. janelle
    July 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    “Even when the previous council voted unanimously to move forward with the purchase, Tyson was working to stop it. It’s a fine example of Tyson overstepping his power.”

    Or his contract gave him the freedom to act because of a 4-1 vote to dismiss.

    The contract provision protects him from a 3 person majority suddenly changing to a 2 person minority and losing his job over one issue. However, getting a unanimous vote on an issue is one thing, there is pressure on the two in the minority to agree so they don’t appear to be obstructionist and to gain a similar vote for something they see as important.

    Getting even a 3-2 vote to dismiss a City Manager is something else altogether. The unintended consequence of the 4-1 vote is that it hands a lot of power to the City Manager.

    Again, I understand the Eureka contract has this provision based on being told that Fortuna’s contract was based on Eureka’s. The My Word piece states that Eureka’s City Manager’s contract can be only be terminated by a majority vote. So either the information I received about Fortuna’s contract being modeled on Eureka’s was mistaken, or the Eureka contract has changed, or the writers of the piece meant to say super majority vote, or they were referring to the City Charter they think Linda should read.

    The Fortuna Muni Code states the City Manager can only be terminated by a majority vote. I raised this conflict between the Code and contract as part of a complaint last Feb. The City Attorney in his recent report on the complaint says there is support for the claim that the contract and code are inconsistent. He suggests 4 options to resolve the inconsistency, but implies the only simple option is to ignore it for a year until the contract expires. He does not mention that the contract automatically is extended for two years unless the Council gives notice of non-renewal.

    I have not read the Eureka charter nor their contract. But Mr. Tyson was planning to leave Eureka, was that because there was 3-2 split and he was becoming the issue?

    Again, Linda helping a group of citizens express their concern is to her credit. If the City Manager and Council agree with the writers of this piece then this piece supports Linda’s statement: “I think the city manager and the city council pay no attention to what the public of Eureka says or wants.” Instead of attacking her, perhaps the authors and current Council members would like to pay attention and ask the City Manager to publicly explain his action.

  125. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    It is incredible to me that the folks posting on this blog consider themselves progressive. The amount of hate speak and personal attacks against an employee of the City would lead a rational person to believe that community that blogs on this page is anything but progressive.

    David Tyson was asked by the current City Council, in a unanimous vote, to put off his retirement so that he continue to serve the Council.

    This public attack on an employee is shameful.

  126. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Do you mean to tell me there are still only 200 signatures on that petition?

  127. July 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Anonymous 2:27 is shocked, shocked that progressives would stoop to “hate speak and personal attacks against an employee of the City.” I wonder if he also has the vapors when an employee of the County is given similar treatment by the Humboldt Mirror.

  128. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    I don’t think hate speak or personal attacks are appropriate nor do they enrich our community.

    Joel, do you consider yourself progressive?

  129. July 24, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    anon 1220,

    Sure I understand that the intent of your original post was to discount the value of 200 sigs by implying that they were cherry picked.

    Of course they were cherry picked. Linda Atkins said she was bringing the poll books with her to aid in the gathering. Did you miss that detail?

    My point is that given a limited amount of time, a limited number of volunteers, and the possession of a tool like a poll book, only a MORON would gather sigs by “knocking on every door.”

    This was not a KINS poll. Nor was it a legal initiative petition. It was a petition in the orginal sense of “petition of grievances” and it was never intended to gather more than a couple hundred sigs. The people who gathered sigs that afternoon were simply exercising their democratic rights in an efficient manner.

    A legal petition to fire Tyson will require 1300 sigs and will have to be filed, printed and advertised in a publication of general circulation. We all understand that.

    And just keep on the ad hominems in the first sentence of your arguments it is so effective.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  130. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    What is shocking is the treatment of those citizens that don’t live in the East side of Eureka, didn’t go to high school with the likes of Tyson and friends, or don’t live in Cutten. This doesn’t have anything to do with party lines. It is about some locals and a few carpetbagging hangers on running this town into the toilet. It is not giving even treatment to all parts of Eureka. Always wondered about the saying “living on the wrong side of the tracks”. I now am beginning to understand the implications and ramifications. It is loud and clear in Eureka.

  131. anon
    July 24, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Tyson wasn’t asked by the council, he asked them. He knew his buddies would say yes. It’s so he could collect a fatter paycheck. And fire his nemesis. And not have to be home with the shrew. And rape the city a little longer.

  132. July 24, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    “I don’t think hate speak or personal attacks are appropriate nor do they enrich our community.”
    I agree, Anonymous, and I look forward to your protests on the Humboldt Mirror.

    “…do you consider yourself progressive?”
    Does that matter?

  133. Anonymous
    July 24, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Since we are in agreement why don’t we protest on both blogs?

  134. July 24, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Agreed, though I rarely go to the Mirror.

  135. Ed
    July 24, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    At our age it’s always a mistake to go to the mirror Joel. We know damn well it will look bad. And that goes for that stupid blog too.

  136. anon
    July 24, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Aside from being mostly juvenile potty humor, the mirror hardly gets any comments. Why do they bother.

  137. July 24, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    To please daddy Arkley.

  138. tra
    July 25, 2011 at 1:10 am

    P.J. has reported that the so-called “moderator” has actually taken her comments and edited them to completely change them to something vile and then gone on to post other fake comments under her psuedonym.

    So I wouldn’t bother to post there, the so-called “moderator” apparently plays real dirty.

  139. tra
    July 25, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Oops, to be clear, I was referring to the so-called “moderator” at the Mirror.

  140. Walt
    July 25, 2011 at 6:27 am

    Why would you even bother to look at it? For that matter, why would Hi Fi read or post on this site? In theory, each could learn (and be changed by) the other, but the reality is they just fling insults and hate. How is that fun? More importantly, how is it productive?

  141. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Get over it! The voters spoke at the last election. They got rid of Glass & will probably do the same thing to Atkins. The voters have elected the people they want and those people support Tyson.

  142. Ed
    July 25, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Pssstt, nobody’s getting over it. Not according to these comments and not according to comments in the Times Standard either.

  143. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Nice one Anon @ 6:14, what a class act you are. It’s not enough to attack the City Manager now you’re attacking his wife, being unemployed appears to be making you bitter.

  144. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 8:20 am

    If there are still only 200 signatures on the petition, how can anybody say most people are outraged at the new city council? It don’t add up.

  145. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 8:35 am

    “If there are still only 200 signatures on the petition, how can anybody say most people are outraged at the new city council?”

    Likewise, how can one say most citizens support Tyson and his support by this council? There are no signatures for that.
    My problem with Tyson – he keeps costing me (a Eureka tax payer) money we don’t have. The settlements and investigations under his watch are at about $600,000. It’s a management style we can’t afford. That’s not an “attack” it is an observation that I think “most people” will understand.

  146. Plain Jane
    July 25, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Can anyone remember Tyson’s continuation as city manager being an issue in the last council elections? It is my sometimes faulty recollection that at the time of the election he was retiring and not until after the election was he asked to remain. It was probably smart politics not to make his remaining an issue given the highly publicized scandals in which he was centrally involved, but smells like corruption to many.

  147. July 25, 2011 at 8:49 am

    OOOOO, warn HiFi that we Proggies have a secret plan to take over the city. We will do such terrible things as insuring fair police coverage for the entire city. We will insist that Arkley get started on the COURT ORDERED cleanup of the Balloon Track. We will work to get changes on Broadway to improve the traffic flow. We will create a safe-haven campground for the homeless (with self-policing and cleanup included ). We might even try to fill some potholes.
    Now I know HiFi will protest because anything we Proggies do, he is against. I guess we’ll have to carry on without his approval. I would be curious to hear where he would differ with our agenda. Maybe dirty Big Boxes, increased traffic problems, high crime,, and BIG money elections are what he really wants. Let’s hear it, HiFi. Is this your vision for our town?

  148. July 25, 2011 at 8:51 am

    I don’t blame David Tyson for clinging so hard to his job.

    People of his age and older have been finding out how hard it is to find employment of any kind in this vicious runaway capitalist economy, if you are too young to be a WalMart greeter and too old to be a barrista.

    He might be unlikely to find employment, and that is not because of his abilities or lack of. It is just the way life is these days for lots of over 40s.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  149. July 25, 2011 at 8:51 am

    You gotta love it that in a city where most of us are very pale (our “fog tans”), there is a lineup of true BROWN NOSES willing to sign that idiotic MyWord just to show off their tans.

  150. Plain Jane
    July 25, 2011 at 8:55 am

    He was retiring, Bill.

  151. July 25, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Yes he did retire until the political winds shifted. Once he was able to engineer the lawsuit settlement and keep it all sealed up the terrain changed.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  152. July 25, 2011 at 10:54 am

    The fact that the right-wing has been winning elections is due to their support by the wealthy.
    In America; corruption works.
    Now with “Citizens United” you won’t be able to find out who is corrupting who.
    “The Voters have spoken.” That is such a sad, sad joke.

  153. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Good one A-Nony-Mouse @ 8:51

    As for Arkley performing the court ordered clean-up, don’t hold your breath. He doesn’t have the money to do that right now. He is stalling.

  154. July 25, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    All-right; I admit I don’t understand the mess at the balloon tract. Measure N was passed last November, that’s what Arkley and his gang wanted-desperately, so why isn’t it being cleaned up already?

  155. July 25, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Because “Marina Center now” was a lie to fool voters and give puppet candidates like Marian Brady a campaign issue.

  156. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse-I have agreed with you on almost everything except providing camp grounds for the homeless. We owe these people nothing. Let them go back where they came from. Providing a campground is just enabling them. It will become more of a magnet. And as far as transitioning the homeless into housing goes- it is always the Historic neighborhoods that are forced into taking this on. You don’t see them being transitioned into Dave Tyson’s neighborhood. Using our already at risk neighborhoods for this purpose only brings everyone down.

  157. July 25, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    1:54 the homeless are like bad breath: they’re always with us, sometimes hidden, but just under the surface. Many of them came from HERE so where do they go? It’s not a matter of what we owe them, it’s a matter of minimizing damage they may do and problems they may cause. When they’re scattered through the bushes and doorways, there are more problems. Trash, crime both by and to them, alcohol and drugs, and other health issues won’t be solved by a campground but they may be controlled somewhat.

    I can envision a campground with rules. Perhaps a resident could be paid a small amount to keep things picked up and “managed”. A bathroom so people don’t have to go in the woods. Maybe even a shower. These could be maintained primarily by the people who live there. Expensive? Far less than the hidden costs we pay now through policing. trash, environmental damage, and social costs. Some folks who are down on their luck might even find enough refuge to get their lives back together. Social services, help for those who can use it, could be focussed there. Is it fool proof? Hell, nothing human is fool proof, just look at our city council. But a campground does have some compelling arguements in its favor. Think about it. And the best part is that it wiould drive HiFi BANANAS.

  158. Plain Jane
    July 25, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Something like the government campground in “The Grapes of Wrath,” Anonymouse?

  159. Anonymous
    July 25, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Every day people get let go or their job is terminated in some way and it is heartbreaking. Have some compassion. Maybe you aren’t seeing it close up like many of us, Anony.

  160. July 26, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Sorry. I didn’t mean to compare homeless people to bad breath except in the fact that both are always with us. Yes, if things keep on as they are, Grapes of Wrath type homeless camps will probably spring up. With a minimum of care and regulation, they could provide folks with a relatively safe and clean place to stay. Better than in the bushes, isn’t it?

  161. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    My suggestion for the first homeless camp in Eureka – Arkleyville.

  162. July 28, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Rob’s back yard might be kinda small but the food might be good….if you don’t mind him yelling at you all the time.

  163. High Finance
    July 28, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Does that mean you don’t want it anywhere near your house Mouse ?

    The problem with a homeless campground, obvious to anyone who thinks, is that it will attract more homeless to the area. You could put in 2,000 camp sites and it wouldn’t be long before there are 3,000 people wanting in.

  164. Toby
    July 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Cost for the 25 sycophants to comment over and over again on the “Humboldt Herald Blog” – free

    Cost of last Friday’s Times Standard paper to view the “Progress or Protest” My Word column – 50 cents

    Cost of 25,000 people reading about Linda Atkins lying and not being worthy of reelection – Priceless

  165. Random Guy
    July 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The pic above is priceless. Wave a check for over twice what somebody like me makes in a year, to buy an election you’ve already got the army assembled to sinch. Between measure N, prop 419 etc., the 49er’s stadium deal, etc…a roster of CEO candidates….what a sad year, proving that money DOES buy politics in plain daylight, even here in Humboldt.

    Hey, Security National, one mall is already one too many! I’ll believe what comes out of your mouths when you start championing the kind of development we see where you live (rather lack of it), where me and my friends and family live too. Until then, it’s sickeningly obvious you’re all just getting richer while playing this “service low income” PR game that’s all the rage in the nation. “Low income multi-family housing and jobs.” There is NO shortage of either, other than manufactured numbers catering to the real estate and development moguls.

    Cannibalistic cattle culture comes to Humboldt full steam. Full freeway, actually.

  166. Anonymous
    July 28, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    What kind of moron accuses someone of lying without bothering to explain it?

  167. The Big Picture
    July 29, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    “Providing a homeless camp would attract more homeless from outside the area”.

    Of course, there’s nothing but bigotry to back up that canard.

    However, it sounds eerily similar to attracting outside home buyers to purchase public-subsidized McMansions in rural Humboldt Co.

    Public subsidies better used to encourage affordable and convenient in-fill housing so American families can begin saving some capital again.

  168. Anonymous
    July 29, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Hi Fi is right with his 12:52 comment. Provide services and watch the problem multiply.

  169. Random Guy
    July 30, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    “Public subsidies better used to encourage affordable and convenient in-fill housing so American families can begin saving some capital again.”

    Why is it then, that no such results are showing decades after identical PR lingo spings identical infrastructure? You’re obviously not low income or living in these areas. “Affordable housing” is defined by quantity of people per area, and says nothing of QUALITY OF LIFE. In fact, it counters everything we’re told about the American Dream by it’s very nature.

    These new “multi-family, affordable housing” developments guarantee proprietal lordship. The very few rich getting richer, the growing poor becoming less able, the surrounding area declining in all senses.

    Residents WILL be new to the area, just as they’ve always been. Residents WILL NOT OWN their homes, and instead are forced to deal with ever increasing rent and other costs of living. Pride in ownership, ability to improve one’s physical area etc. aren’t an option, replaced with cookie-cutter modes of living that only serve the constant flux of residents as they drop in and out of ability to support a roof over their head. Traffic, crime, pollution, resource reduction (thus restrictions, cost increases, mandatory regulation etc.) WILL increase substantially, just as it always has.

    Even ten years ago, the quality of life for low income residents and renters like myself has noticeably diminished, there’s no denying it. Current plans, including all the “affordable multi-family housing” foundations being poured as I type this, and infrastructure increases like the Richardson Grove freeway project only feed the beast.

  170. Anonymous
    July 30, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    “Why is it then, that no such results are showing decades after identical PR lingo spings identical infrastructure?”

    Not sure what this means.

    In the 70’s my small town of 25k residents had ample SRO’s that I shared for $40/Mo.

    Affordable shelter is fundamental to civilization, it enables youths to go to school while working for low pay.

    We had it then, we can have it now….except in Eureka, where the development community pushed us beyond infrastructure capacity building bigger homes for bigger profits.

    Now, they’re all scratching their butts wondering why there’s so much crime, drug abuse, foreclosures, bankruptcies, and homelessness.

  171. Random Guy
    August 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Anon…where is the growing crime, etc. you speak of, here and elsewhere? In the neighborhoods these movers and shakers and politicos are championing.

    I’ve witnessed the birth of the bayshore mall and all its big enterprises, target, kmart, costco, as well as megaplex apartments in eureka, arcata and mckinleyville, and in addition to that more “affordable multi-family housing complexes” than I can think of at the moment, new ones being constructed right now that are apparently under the radar of conversation.

    So…all this time has passed….where is the prosperity? Please answer that.

    I see that the people who champion that type of crowded sprawl have enough money to continue saying “they” (we low income families) need even more of it! Not true! However, “they” (the wealthiest real estate entrepreneurs and development moguls and their puppet politicos) continue to grease eachother’s wheels and create a growing indentured general public. The proof is everywhere in the nation, and increasingly right here in Humboldt. I’ve seen $8 starting retail pay at local businesess, when minimum wage was still $6.25, become a thing of the past. I’ve seen the ability of minimum wage earners able to live two at a time per HOUSE…now they struggle to pay overpriced “affordable multi-family housing complex” prices. I could go on and on…

    So…again…where is the prosperity from kmart, target, costco, the bayshore mall and all the newer “affordable low income multi-family housing complexes” that have appeared over the years??? Why are the real estate and development moguls and their political puppets not only calling for more of it, but demanding zoning changes (that have been long established for legitimate reasons) so they can hurry their profits along? There is NO shortage, there is NO necessity…the word they’re increasingly trying to avoid is “MANDATE”

    Where is the prosperity from all that they’ve already “provided”???

  172. Plain Jane
    August 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Are the owners of “low income housing” subsidized on the rents they receive to equal regular prices?

  173. Random Guy
    August 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    “Where is the prosperity?”

    …too deep a question? Too obvious an answer…you’ll find the profits…er…prosperity in the bank accounts of the people who ave been doing such a good job of helping the poor with their real estate/retail swindling, that they’re now saying the poor are in worse shape than ever and desperately need their help! Are you reading the bullshit they’re slinging across the nation? It’s not just a local pattern, nor is their $$$slingo…they’re doing it because they care about “child poverty”. The fucking nerve of them to tug at heartstrings like that, creating ghettos of the future…revolving door housing and jobs…for everybody but their own private cliques.

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