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Arkley confirms Wal-Mart rumors

Eureka big box fanatic Rob Arkley reportedly confirmed on radio KINS Monday that Wal-Mart is indeed the “mystery retailer” taking over the Gottschalks site at the Bayshore Mall.

The Times-Standard reported last week that “Eureka-based property management company Carrington Co. submitted a building permit application on behalf of its tenant to the city on June 28 but withheld the tenant’s name.”

Sources say the tenant is Wal-Mart, and that Carrington courted the mega-sexist-sweatshop-based retailer to takeover the mall space rather than wait for a stand alone site. A contract between the two was reportedly signed weeks ago.

We would direct you to the KINS podcast of the Arkley interview but the right-wing AM station’s tech savvy-ness is as backward as their politics.  As it stands you have to tune in — with an actual radio — to listen to the cuckoo commentary as it airs.

(h/t Nate Downey)

  1. July 26, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I work for a station that resembles that technology. If Arkley came on I would get a recording of it though.

  2. July 26, 2011 at 12:13 am

    The best part is their web site. It doesn’t even list the shows.

  3. 69er
    July 26, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Another sad time for Eureka if this is true, The mall already destroyed downtown for me. I now get down there once or twice a month and that is usually to have lunch at Lost Coast Brewery or take one of my vehicles to my good friends @ Antich Automotive for service. No place to shop now.

  4. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 1:17 am

    A radio station expects its listeners to have a radio? Huh. That sounds like a recipe for drawing in listeners. The next thing you know, newspapers will stop giving their product away for free on their websites. It’ll be madness!

  5. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 3:07 am

    It’s abaout time Eureka got a Wal Mart !! Go Sam

  6. July 26, 2011 at 5:42 am

    That is going to be one small MalWart. The supercenter in West Sac is like half the size of the entire Bayshore Mall.

  7. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 6:16 am

    My mother loved the Walmart in Crescent City. That trumps your picture and picket sign.

  8. ShirleyValentine
    July 26, 2011 at 6:36 am

    Has anyone filed for permits to enlarge the site? Hopefully this Wal Mart won’t be a dumping ground for crap that didn’t sell at other store’s. That was one of the major causes of JC Penny’s demise!

  9. 06em
    July 26, 2011 at 6:56 am

    I’ll see your mother’s misguided love and raise you one alarming map.

  10. Decline To State
    July 26, 2011 at 7:05 am

    How embarrassing for me (and Eureka). I was entirely sure that the mystery occupant was NOT going to be Wal Mart and presented what I felt were some compelling arguments why it wasn’t. Damn!

  11. July 26, 2011 at 7:18 am

    Anonymous 1:17,

    Did you get halfway through your comment, or did you make it all the way through it, without noticing that radio stations do indeed “give their product away for free.” Why, it’s exactly the same model as the internet! For radio news to follow the same model as newspapers, someone would have to pay 50 cents or a dollar each day to receive a tape.

  12. July 26, 2011 at 7:50 am

    At the same time Wal-mart may be able to fill in the space Borders will leave.

  13. Not A Native
    July 26, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Don’t know what the interview said, but the financial news says Wal Mart is adopting a new recession era strategy.

    Locally, that would mean open now in a small way at the mall. Gradually attrit competitors(Sears goes first), grow market share, and become an established ‘local fixture’ for apathetic consumers. In 4 or 5 years, announce a ‘much needed’ expanded store at the Balloon Tract.

    Just sayin’ because the timing would be ‘right’ for Arkley and the Mart. And many years from now, some local blogger, ever looking backward, will wax nostalgic ‘I can remember when Wal Mart was at the mall’.

  14. July 26, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Isn’t Bayshore Mall in the Coastal Zone? Would not major developments require approval of the Coastal Commission?

    I don’t know, enlighten me.

    have a peaceful day,

  15. July 26, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I see Downey’s church work is paying off politically. Or is it the other way around?

  16. Living In Eureka
    July 26, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I will not support WalMart. I feel the only way I can protest their business ethics is with my dollar. If WalMart is truly going in at the mall, I will also not support any establishment there.

  17. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Low blow, Joe.

  18. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Is this really the best that Eureka can do? The only form of progress is retail development? Isn’t this a strategy that was used up in the 90’s and early part of 2000’s?
    Welcome to Eureka: Back to the Future!
    Now available: Minimum wage jobs with no future
    Mostly vacant retail centers spread all over the city
    No bothersome police to stop crime in Old Town
    Meth and heroin available on almost every corner
    Prostitutes available all day and night
    Lowest property values in all of Humboldt County!
    Come to Eureka, California where we sell ourselves short, so your expectations are low!

  19. anoni-shopper
    July 26, 2011 at 9:04 am

    NAN has it right.

    1)Open the small store.
    2)Price everything so ungodly cheap that they drive out the competition.
    3)”Expand” into a superstore in the balloon and abandon the Mall.

    I understand that there are a lot of people in this community who can’t wait for Walmart to open. Congratulations folks. Your cheap underwear is on the way.

    I doubt that the private retail businesses in the area feel the same.
    The pattern is too well set, the history is there for all to see.

    In the long run, there is only so much money to spend in Humboldt. Having a Walmart is not gonna make new money shit out of the sky. It’s the same money spent, but on its way out of town. While a Walmart can bring in extra tax dollars to Eureka, the community as a whole will suffer as money flies out of here on its way to Arkansas.

    Those opposed to it can only fight with their buying power. If Walmart tries to relocate, then we’ll have another battleground.

    Personally, I will never set foot in that store. But Walmart lovers….rejoice. This is your day in the sun.

  20. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Jobs Jobs Jobs!
    Isn’t this what the city council and Virgina Bass campaigned on? Well, they might not be living wage jobs, might not take your family out of poverty, might not pay your tuition for next semester, will not provide health care, will keep you on food stamps, but it’s a job, see!
    Thanks for rolling out that welcome mat to business, Virginia!

  21. July 26, 2011 at 9:12 am

    IF Walmart is going into the Bayshore Mall, maybe they are going to fill all of the other empty shops to get the room that they need.

    An out of town mall owner is providing Eureka with an out of country product. It won’t take long for the giant sucking sound to suck Humboldt dry. What’s our economic base here? Protesters? After we spend all that money that we are “saving”, who’s going to give it back to us? The Chinese aren’t big on buying American products.

  22. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:23 am

    why did arkley make the announcement?

  23. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:25 am

    what is arkley’s relationship to the walmart store?

  24. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Does anyone have any Arkley quotes from the KINS broadcast? His attitude about it?

    I agree with the above posters regarding Walmart’s agenda to two-step their way into a super store here. When the time to expand comes they’ll own enough councilmen that it won’t be a problem, especially if they want the balloon track.

  25. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 9:36 am

    “why did arkley make the announcement?”

    “Carrington courted the mega-sexist-sweatshop-based retailer to takeover the mall space rather than wait for a stand alone site”

    Maybe the balloon tract was the stand alone site they were waiting for.

  26. Walt
    July 26, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Seems appropriate that the de-facto mayor should make the announcement, and give the scoop to the right wing of the local press. Shut up and buy, Eureka.

  27. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Maybe Mr. HumCPR can confirm – he still works for Carrington doesn’t he?

  28. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 9:48 am

    General growth does not own the Gottschalks building. Carrington does. He bought it for a ridiculously low price. He made the deal with Walmart. He is a local. Why is everyone pointing fingers at General Growth and Arkley?? Why not go after Carrington?

    To clarify, a LOCAL businessman opened the door for Walmart.

  29. July 26, 2011 at 9:59 am

    To be clear, I don’t necessarily agree with The Humboldt Herald on this (or any) issue. I am neither passionately for or against Walmart coming into Eureka. I just thought that it was curious that Mr. Arkley’s monthly Talk Shop interview was not causing more stir on the blogs and Twitter, so I queried Mr. Sims of Lost Coast Outpost and the author of this blog. I find it humorous that radio scooped everyone on this story.

  30. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Carrington and Arkley have connections from past business dealings. Carrington was involved in Arkley’s business start but didn’t continue as an investor, to my knowledge.

  31. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Let the Target – Sears – Kohl – KMart – Walmart battle begin!
    Who will be the first to fall? Probably KMart; Target and Sears have slighlty better “stuff” and Target is closer to the shoppers from the north. Kohls can probably compete with Walmart with their thread bear, sweat-shop clothing.

  32. SmokeMonster
    July 26, 2011 at 10:12 am

    @ Shirley V.- I don’t believe them turning the pennys into an outlet led to their demise,the company was on its way out a long time before that happened,pennys is an old idea,get over it.

    When have you ever seen a Wal-Mart that would be in one building(old gottchalks) have a HUGE gap in the store then be a part of the store open in another building(borders)?
    Are you that paranoid? Or stupid?

    They are not going to combine the areas.


    To bad none of you have the heart or courage that logging protestors do. Live for something or die for nothing.If some of you care like you say you do, GO DO SOMETHING

  33. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Walmart has such crap. I guess this will be a great place for all of Eureka with it’s wealth of welfare trash to spend their money.

  34. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Um, Nate… you do realize that it would be impossible for anyone to scoop a radio show on what occurred on their radio show, right? This blog, in particular, has been talking about the likelihood of the mystery store being Walmart since the news broke.

  35. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 10:53 am

    10:14 get a clue. There are lots of people who need low prices who are not “trash”. Have some compassion. While I am not a WalMart fan of any sort or a fan of cheap disposable goods, I see that we need places to shop where bargains are available. These are tough times. I wish WalMart would stock simple, high quality items that have no fluff or trend value but are items of necessity, good for health, blah blah…

  36. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Now I wish I’d saved that list of fun things to do at Walmart.

  37. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 11:37 am
  38. The Big Picture
    July 26, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Curious that Heraldo’s resident provocateurs who take EVERY opportunity to remind us that, “a majority of voters elected the Gang of Four”, are perfectly pleased that one businessman trumps 61% of Eureka’s voters that said NO to Wal-Mart.

    Today’s Reich-Wing is just as anti-democratic as the last.

  39. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 11:49 am

    You can’t keep a business out unless you have control of zoning where that business wants to move in. The mall is zoned for this type of business. Where Walmart wanted to build before the vote, the voters/City had control of whether to allow a zoning change, correct??

  40. High Finance
    July 26, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Big Picture, under what law or authority would you stop Wal-Mart from moving into an empty Gottschalks store ?

    And the voters did not say “no” to Wal Mart then, they said no to changing the zoning. A no that was reversed by an overwhelming margin last year.

  41. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    John Fullerton sings the praises of big box development yet again.

    Hey John-when is your gang of politicians going to clean up that toxic mess of a balloon track, anyway. Oh wait, I’m sure one of your “citizens groups” will file another lawsuit before that can happen!

  42. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Ernie, you for one know “our economic base” is marijuana!

  43. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Marijuana is the contrary. It has actually been part windfall part economic ruin. In the balance, it has done more damage to our communities than the dollars were worth to us.

  44. SmokeMonster
    July 26, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    How long has the Wal mart been in Ukiah now? They are doing just fine it seems all around in Mendo,from regulating grows to supporting a downtown business district and a Wal mart.

    The people that use Crescent city as an example haven’t lived here long enough to know that CC has always been a shithole,before pelican bay,before WalMart. You can’t make chicken salad out of chickenshit

  45. Ben
    July 26, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What a grand opportunity to rant! Arkley and Wal Mart in the same story.
    Most people will like to have the Wal Mart option because they are working to make ends meet and if they can save a buck, they will do it. 99.9% of those folks do not know about, care about, or agree with this blog. It is pretty scary when people say that they dislike a business and try to think of ways to use our system to stop it from opening. Coastal Commission anyone? Sad state of affairs for our area when the Coastal Commission is seen as a tool to stop things that a few elitists hate.

  46. The Big Picture
    July 26, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    HiFi has finally evolved from his trademark sophistry to outright lies.

    Tell your BS to Patty Berg who launched her Assembly career on successfully giving Wal-Mart the boot.

    Thanks to bottomless propaganda, 2010 voters still believe they were voting for Home Depot on the Balloon Tract, not Wal-Mart. Even as HD was closing stores nationwide.

    Not even one crocodile tear for the Eureka voters that overwhelmingly rejected Wal-Mart, and knew they were doing so?

    Sir, you are a very sad, but accomplished sophist, provocateur, and liar.


  47. Oldphart
    July 26, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Oh horror of horrors – retail establishment moving into a mall! Lets pass a law to make that illegal. Kinda like goats on agricultural land. What is wrong with the thinking here? Too much pot? Not enough? When will everything be just right?

  48. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Wow. When is everyone going to see the elephant in the living room? We have a Walmart demographic, plain and simple. This is a poverty county. Hello! Social services is one of the largest employers, and some of their employees are eligible for food stamps! Get real.
    The mall is zoned for a Walmart, again, plain and simple. Deal with it. Everyone on the planet has their own agenda when it comes to Walmart but, God Bless America, they have the right to come in, and they were ushered in by a local businessman, not some “outsider.”
    What I still don’t get is how Walmart is “bad” because they compete with locals and Costco is “good” because?? Don’t tell me it is because Costco treats their employees right because that would mean it is ok for a chain to put a local business out as long as they are nice to their employees. That makes no sense whatsoever.

  49. Mrs. Burnie
    July 26, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Yeah! I’m actually very happy to hear that Wal-Mart will be joining our community and for all of you who can predict the future….good for you!! but are your predictions substantial??? Or, are you the type of people that just love to “bash” everyone and everything? Really people? I agree with you Ben 100%, I work in a doctors office in the area and we have alot of Medicare and Medi-Cal patients who can barely survive to live in this area right now! I know that most of them will be Walmart supporters as am I :)

  50. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I won’t shop at WalMart for several reasons. However, I don’t see them putting “local businesses” out of business. What local business sells low end clothing and plastic crap? I do see them putting KMart or Kohls out of business.
    Those of us who choose not to shop at WalMart should put our efforts into supporting local merchants who make and/or sell higher quality goods that last longer. This means buying less and having things last longer. And stop considering “shopping” as entertainment and assuming a new purchase will make you happy. Going to the beach with your kids (or dog) or taking a walk in the redwoods will make you happy – not a great deal on something you don’t really need. Then you can ignore WalMart the same way you ignore McDonalds – who doesn’t put local restaurants out of business.

  51. AnonymousGirl
    July 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    @ Charles Bean 7:50am “At the same time Wal-mart may be able to fill in the space Borders will leave”
    >>>>Not entirely out of the question, but then you block off access to Sear, Ross, Boot Barn, Coast Central Credit Union, etc…so not really likely.

    @highboldtage 8:10am…..”Isn’t Bayshore Mall in the Coastal Zone? Would not major developments require approval of the Coastal Commission?”
    >>>>>>Yes, it is in the Coastal Zone, but at long as the development stays within the “footprint” approval is not needed.

    @ Ernie’s Place 9:12am “IF Walmart is going into the Bayshore Mall….”
    >>>>>A very valid point, as there is a substantial amount of vacant square footage available at that end of the mall. A couple of tenants could be relocated (Mrs. Field’s and Pretzel Time), and there’d be room to expand into the mall.

    People always seem to moan and groan about what’s going into the mall, leaving the mall, etc. Why can’t we celebrate another shopping option? (just simply asking the question, not choosing a side) How many people make a stop at Walmart (anywhere) while travelling? If you don’t want Walmart, what do you want?
    Peace to all, and the hopes of a good conversation!

  52. The Big Picture
    July 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    There is no constitutional right to buy public-subsidized products that bankrupt rural economies, or that allows manufacturers to exploit children living under repressive regimes.

    In fact, it was an imperial economy that the Founding Fathers fought to escape.

    Costco is a member-only store. There is no actual financial benefit to shop there unless you are a business owner, organization buying bulk, or a person that drives a lot!

    Membership shopping still enjoys an irrational popularity.

    Walmart boasts a litany of economic research, books, documentary videos, and lawsuits proving it’s a bad neighbor. Their low prices disappear with their competition.

    The ONLY local economic research concluded that Eureka was saturated in national retailers in 1999. Rural communities cannot afford to subsidize unlimited poverty-wage businesses or those McMansion subdivisions local greedheadeds are fighting to

    When national retailers or local developers start paying their own way and suffer the full consequences of their actions…citizens can start believing in your so-called “freedom to shop”!

    Blame our local voyeur-media for failing to connect the dots or inform the people…it will require another Patty Berg with the financial and political connections to rally citizens.

  53. High Finance
    July 26, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Freedom bothers you, maybe you live in the wrong country ?

  54. anoni-shopper
    July 26, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I think 1:39 has it right. Though I don’t agree with him entirely, I think some local retailers will be hurt, I think for the most part the stores that get hurt will be other national chain stores.

    I have a sister-in-law who lives in the Mid-west. When she gets bored she goes to the Wal-Mart (which is the only place in town at this point…..look at their small town Midwestern strategy) and she wanders the aisles buying unnecessary cheap Chinese crap. This is entertainment for her. Stuff she doesn’t need. She can spend hours doing it. It’s so sad. And she is effectively shipping her money out of that dying town to Arkansas.

    Buy well made products that last, enjoy a lovely day by taking a walk in the woods instead of the mall. If it’s rainy, read a book (you can borrow them for free from the library), visit a friend, cook a great meal.

    Or go to Walmart. Whatever.

  55. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    I heard it is not a full walmart…it is a market walmart..which is just food. only a grocery store. which would compete against winco, cosco and Rays Food Place.

  56. July 26, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    “anoni-shopper says: July 26, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I have a sister-in-law who lives in the Mid-west. When she gets bored she goes to the Wal-Mart (which is the only place in town at this point…..look at their small town Midwestern strategy) and she wanders the aisles buying unnecessary cheap Chinese crap. This is entertainment for her. Stuff she doesn’t need. She can spend hours doing it. It’s so sad. And she is effectively shipping her money out of that dying town to Arkansas.”

    I think this is funny. My father-in-law is here from China and he bought enough cheap unnecessart crap from here to take back to China, I need to buy a luggage rack to take him back to the airport.

    Maybe your sister-in-law should trade with my father-in-law?

  57. Bolithio
    July 26, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Now I wish I’d saved that list of fun things to do at Walmart

    Taking a crap is a good way to give something back. Public restrooms for the homeless!

  58. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    The thing about crap is that it is a matter of taste and standard, a matter of opinion. You don’t have the right to choose what other people will buy.

  59. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    You (the community) do, by zoning, get to choose where they buy it. In some cases you get to choose if they buy it too, in the case of guns, poisons, drugs ect…

  60. Plain Jane
    July 26, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    LOL Bolithio. I do remember that one of the ideas was to call out from a dressing room, “Hey, there’s no TP in here!”

  61. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Yes, 4:33, I agree. But my idea of what are needless items may not be yours. That is my point.

  62. July 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm


    “The thing about crap is that it is a matter of taste and standard, a matter of opinion. You don’t have the right to choose what other people will buy.”

    Your argument is perfect to allow medical marijuana dispensaries in Eureka. Keep posting.

    have a peaceful day,

  63. The Monitor
    July 26, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    You knew it was only a matter of time before Walmart started its urban mining here. They have wanted to get their dip stick in the local economic waters for years. That will seal our fate as the low priced, low income, low wages, stuck on mediocrity capital of the north coast. Eureka seems unable to seek creative solutions to its many many problems. It is a shame, for it has the potential to be a real shining star. It would rather be the black hole of drugs, poverty, slum lords, good old boy government, crime magnet of Humboldt County. It is too bad, especially for the many good folks that live here and have to put up with a broken community. Just remember Walmart will be mining dollars from the poorest among us. For them the store will have much to offer, even if what they buy will not have any lasting quality.

  64. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Except, Bill, that marijuana is illegal unless prescribed and belongs in a pharmacy or other completely controlled environment. I think people should be able to buy it. Yes, I do.

  65. Eric Kirk
    July 26, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    A radio station expects its listeners to have a radio? Huh. That sounds like a recipe for drawing in listeners. The next thing you know, newspapers will stop giving their product away for free on their websites. It’ll be madness!

    Uh, do they charge to listen on the radio? How do they know I’ve been listening?

  66. July 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I’m sure that if WalMart was a Tyranosaurus and started eating people, HiFi would say, “Oh maybe he was just hungry, poor little guy.”

  67. Thorstein Veblen
    July 26, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    You want something to get this economy going, instead of, or maybe complementary to, pot? Outlaw all chain mega-stores throughout the county. See the people flock to this place.

    Otherwise, we are just like Crescent City, and as we all know;

    “SmokeMonster says:
    July 26, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    The people that use Crescent city as an example haven’t lived here long enough to know that CC has always been a shithole,before pelican bay,before WalMart.”

  68. Anonymous
    July 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Not a WalMart fan at at all but am thankful they are not building a new structure to house their wares and will not be front and center at Bayshore Mall/Broadway…the 101corridor. It could be worse.

  69. SmokeMonster
    July 27, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Ok you’ve convinced me,wal Mart kills communities ….lets build more Indian casinos!!!!!!!!!!

  70. Walt
    July 27, 2011 at 6:01 am

    “You don’t have the right to choose what other people will buy.” Unless you’re the only one selling.

  71. Anonymous
    July 27, 2011 at 10:58 am

    As one who agreed with the initial vote against WalMart at the Balloon Tract years ago and also considered it kind of badge of honor for Eureka. Now, after seeing the “no growth” crowds attempt to stop virtually everything that has been proposed since, there is some satisfaction in knowing that that this same crowd can’t do a damn thing about WalMart at the Bayshore Mall.

  72. The Big Picture
    July 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    I wanted to attend one of those local “No-Growth” group meetings I keep hearing about, but can’t seem to locate it.

    I want to tell them how badly they’ve failed.

    We’ve already built our rural cities into moratoriums, (looks like the entire county is next!). Saturation in poverty-wage big boxes, unaffordable homes and predator industries, hasten economic collapse.

    The only projects I’ve ever heard that were successfully booted were Walmart, and a chocolate factory decades ago. Calpine voluntarily left before filing bankruptcy.

    If you don’t like people’s freedom to plan their community, maybe you’re living in the wrong country.

    Our failure to do so, is at our own peril.

  73. Not A Native
    July 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I agree with big picture.

    I live in Arcata and had to listen the ‘land owners’ who live in Andersen and inherited ag land here tell the city that they have a right to do whatever they want with their property. Meaning, they should be able to sell for a price based on future residential use.

    Well it doesn’t work that way anymore because people have wised up to how communities become impoverished by allowing a free for all, get as much money as fast as you can for land holders.

    Planned development allows everyone to benefit. Not at the expense of the many and the beneift of the few who happen to be in a particular place at a particular time.

  74. tra
    July 27, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    The idea that there’s one group of people who are dedicated to a philosophy of “no to everything” is, in my opinion, just a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation — but it’s a misunderstanding that is fostered and promoted by some folks who know better.

    But it’s understandable that people get that impression that this county has a bit of a “no to everything” attitude, because there are a lot of “no to this” and “no to that” groups, and in some cases some significant overlap between some of them.

    There are the “no to the railroad” folks, but then also the “no to trails on the railbed” folks.

    There’s “no to port development,” “no to the Richardson Grove realignment,” “no to new rural homes on TPZ land,” but there’s “also “no to mulitfamily housing,” “no to infill.”

    There’s “no to the pulp mill,” “no to cannabis dispensaries,” “no to the new Lost Coast Brewery facility,” “no to the Cypress Grove goat farm,” “no to wind turbines in Bear River Ridge,” etc., etc., etc.

    Like most people I’m in the “no” category on a number of those issues, but not all of them. But the cumulative effect of all of us being anti-something is an overall impression of anti-everything.

    In my opinion, some of the “no’s” are a lot more defensible than others, while some — for example “no to the Cypress Grove goat farm” and “no to the new Lost Coast Brewery facility” — really do come off as unjustifiable other than on the basis of very narrow NIMBY self-interest.

  75. Anonymous
    July 28, 2011 at 1:57 am

    A short drive around Eureka shows the results of 50 years of haphazardly saying “yes” to connected developers.

    Just saying “no” would be a monumental improvement.

    Whoever lives in effected neighborhoods should have a strong voice in its development, especially with livestock and other industrial uses.

  76. Ben
    July 28, 2011 at 6:51 am

    If people do not have the ability to plan their community, who will?

  77. Anonymous
    July 28, 2011 at 6:53 am

    True Walt, but if that is the only store left in this town I will leave.

  78. Walt
    July 28, 2011 at 6:54 am

    “But the cumulative effect of all of us being anti-something is an overall impression of anti-everything.” Being anti-everything is something I wouldn’t oppose.

  79. Jessie Cortijo
    July 28, 2011 at 11:16 am

    For anyone who is interested in discussing how best to go about opposing this project, come to this event Monday. Open to everyone who thinks this is a bad idea–the more people and the more ideas the better: https://www.facebook.com/e​vent.php?eid=2281693238885​80

  80. Plain Jane
    July 28, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Your links don’t work, Jessie. Could you post the Facebook event name?

  81. High Finance
    July 28, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Maybe you guys could do another petition.

    With a lot of hard work maybe you could even get more than 200 signatures this time ?

  82. Anonymous
    July 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Work has started today on expanding the Crescent City Wal-Mart into a Super Wal-Mart. The work should take 18 months to complete. The store is now open 24 hours daily. Another coffin nail for the Del Norte economy.

  83. Anonymous
    July 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Someone keeps posting questions on the Mirror about the Marina Center, and they are deleted over and over

  84. Plain Jane
    July 28, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Must be using “anonymous.” I posted there as Plain Jane and they changed my post to something juvenile and nasty and then posted more of the same using my pseudonym. No one reads or posts there anyway. I think it’s the only “vanity press” Arkley can afford now.

  85. Jessie Cortijo
    July 28, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    The event is called “Building a resistance to Walmart in Humboldt.” Anyways, I was thinking we should meet this coming Monday, August 1st, from 6 pm to 8 pm at Old Town Coffee and Chocolates in Old Town Eureka. If anyone has any other suggestions for when or where to meet, then that is good too. Really I think we need a group of folks who are united in their opposition to this project–the more diverse the reasons and ideas for opposing it the better!

  86. ShirleyValentine
    July 29, 2011 at 8:03 am

    @Smoke Monster: You obviously haven’t been inside a JC Penny store recently. They are well stocked with name brand clothing and are more comparable to Macy’s then a Target or Kohl’s.
    Walmart does have a store within a 100 mile radius of others that receives merchandise that is discounted. These stores are primarily located in low income areas and much smaller in square footage compared to other Walmart’s.

  87. Plain Jane
    July 29, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Discounted rejects from bigger Walmarts? oooOO GIMME!

    What would be the impact on Walmart of a “buy and return” protest? It would cost them more than simply boycotting their store.

  88. Anonymous
    July 30, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… I was hoping the space was for a gigantic Trader Joe’s. I admittedly shop at Wal Mart for my electronics. I doubt Wal Mart being here will have a negative effect on our local businesses expect hurt other big box stores, i.e. Safeway/ Costco/ Target and perhaps there will be less Amazon/eBay/Overstock Walmart.com orders from Humboldt Country.

  89. Janefish1975
    August 1, 2011 at 9:15 am

    I’d boycott anything Arkley but I have been doing that a long time already. I will boycott the Mall–not a hard thing to do really. It irks me that supposedly “community minded” members and organizations feel that they are above the will of the voters and don’t mind at all advertising what their wealth can purchase. Calling oneself community minded and using clout and leverage to undermine the majority does not deserve any further rewards.

  90. High Finance
    August 2, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Sounds like you are confused Janefish.

    Arkley has nothing to do with the mall. The mall has nothing to say one way or the other about Wal-Mart coming in there.

    The Gottschalks building is privately owned and the owners have decided to rent to Wal-Mart.

  91. Not A Native
    August 2, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    For those who think a WalMart at the mall wouldn’t affect Sears, here’s one financial article that disagrees:

    To identify the largest retailers in America with the worst sales, 24/7 Wall St. looked at the National Retail Federation’s Stores Magazine. Using the 2006 and 2001 “Top 100 Retailers” lists we then identified companies that had lost the most in annual retail sales from 2005 to 2010. We only ranked public companies in order to demonstrate how declining sales affect the overall health of the company. We also excluded companies with significant M&A activity because it can distort sales.

    1. Sears
    Drop in sales: -23.5%
    2005 sales: $54 billion
    2010 sales: $41.3 billion
    5 yr. change in stock price: -50%

    Sears Holdings was created in November 2004 by a merger between Sears Roebuck and Kmart. Sears Roebuck was once among the largest retailers in the country and essentially created the catalog business. The merger was engineered by hedge fund manager Eddie Lampert. Each of the chains was weak before the transaction, and Kmart was in bankruptcy. Management has been unable to improve the company’s fortunes, which to some extent are hurt by the power of Target and Wal-Mart.

  92. Anonymous
    August 28, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Way to go Arkley….finally we are trying to move Humboldt County out of the 1930s and at least toward the 1980s. Walmart will bring some great jobs to this job depressed area! Walmart haters will likely be hypocrites slinking into the store incognito to save a ton of money.

  93. September 8, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I am ecstatic WalMart is coming to town. There are so many suffering families who are unemployed. I don’t care what you say or thing, I’d rather have a paycheck and a job than be starving on the streets.

    The old-school Eurekans who have what they want, and want to keep everyone else out, are dinosaurs of the past. They are selfist, narrow minded, and are killing a town that should be prospering.

    There is everything here: ocean, forests, rivers, clean air. The filthy rich who live here are just that–filthy. They are the pollution that needs to be cleaned out of Eureka before we can prosper.

    So, let’s make it happen.

  94. Anonymous
    September 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    All available research on this subject proves that big boxes harm rural economies. They manufacture more poverty.

    But, Megan “doesn’t care”, she hates people with money anyway…unless they own or manage a big box…


  95. maggie
    October 13, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Hate Walmart, I am so sick of this county bringing in nothing but shit stores. Kohls sucks, it is more expensive than bed bath and beyond, and their selection is awful. We don’t shop there and I am certianly not shopping at walmart. I don’t shop a Target either. Why can’t we get some decent stores like Macy’s, Ikea, etc.
    There is a lot of money in this county that nobody sees because the good old boys don’t spend their money here and the city council caters to the welfare population (which is very large). So people like me that work hard for my money and want something decent and would like to buy local can’t because we keep bringing in discount stores.

    The people in this county dress, act and shop like they are poor and maybe they are, but when we are given choices like discount stores, lousy restaurants and crappy stores like Winco, I guess you can’t help but feel poor because the powers that be want you to look and feel depressed, so when they do something for the community it can look like a big deal.

  96. Anonymous
    October 13, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    How stupid are you maggie!

  97. maggie
    October 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Not as stupid as you Anonymous. Apparently you don’t know what really goes on in this County. Stop smoking pot and get out more,

  98. Anonymous
    January 6, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    I have worked for Wal-Mart before and I can say that the retailer itself is not the devil it is made out to be. Each store is different depending on the manager in charge. There are policies all Wal-Marts are to follow, but let’s face it. It is impossible to police them all. Here are a couple of things I know from my experience with the company. 1) They do offer their employees health insurance, if fact their benefits are much like all other big box retailers. I have worked for a few and know this for a fact. 2) I am a woman and here is a shocker: I was promoted!!! and yes it was before the class action lawsuit was started against Wal Mart. 3) I was paid decent wages and was hired at above minimum wage. Members of my family also work for Wal- Mart, and they enjoy their jobs. Retail is not a high paying industry, people should know this going in and with Wal-Mart being the biggest they are also the biggest target. I look forward to a new store that will bring 200 jobs to our city. We desperately need them. And for everyone who is going to say it will put our downtown area out of business, I disagree. I have not lived in Eureka my whole life. The town I moved here from is much smaller and has a Wal-Mart, but it also has a thriving downtown area. This is because the shops downtown offer what Wal-Mart does not. All businesses no matter their size need to be adaptable and not only except change, but embrace it. If the business owners cannot do these things, they need to ask themselves if they are in the right industry.

  99. humboldturtle
    January 6, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    thank you, M. Kroc.

  100. humboldturtle
    January 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Walton, I mean. Kroc’s the hamburger guy.

  101. Anonymous
    January 6, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Maggie, you are a dumbbell. Filthy rich?There aren’t too many here, compared to most places. You have an ugly chip on your shoulder, and until you repair it, it will always get the best of you.

  102. Anonymous
    January 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Anon 5:03, you state that you have worked for Walmart, yet you have “lived in Eureka your whole life.” Did you commute all the way to Crescent City?

  103. quark
    January 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Little reading comprension there compadre 750…next time you quote someone, add the relevant “NOT” preceding the lil snippit you provided…as in NOT lived in Eureka her whole live.

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