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Nielsen to sue City of Eureka

Former Eureka Police Chief Garr Nielsen has filed a claim against the city of Eureka which will likely lead to a showdown in Federal Court.

Details at the Humboldt Sentinel.

  1. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Oh boy, another lawsuit against Eureka in Federal Court! Nancy must be licking her chops. Watch as the council rallys ’round their manager yet again. The best part? The cost!

  2. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Tyson must go

  3. Tattoo
    September 30, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    The Zoo! The Zoo! Tyson is costing us the Zoo!

  4. torodeoro
    September 30, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Be sure to call Murl Harpham as a witness. Those Oakland juries just eat up the Mayberry EPD shit.

  5. FineThanks
    September 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    You know folks we need something here in Eureka like that debt clock that ticks up relentlessly every second. Except it will be a Tyson lawsuit cost clock. How close are we to midnight?

  6. dispacher
    September 30, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Calling all cars, resisting perpetrator at large, refusing to lie down. Harpham directive advised.

  7. The Big Picture
    September 30, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Tyson’s cavalier conceit in placing personal vendettas above public costs is outrageous. The council’s consent could now become a major campaign issue in 2012.

    Watch how fast this one is settled….

    The gaggle of idiots that couldn’t simply allow Garr’s contract to expire will not allow the truth to come out in trial.

    Cost is no object.

  8. September 30, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Who is to represent Nielson.

  9. dispacher
    September 30, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Christopher W. Miller of Sacramento.

  10. Decline To State
    September 30, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Hot damn! Pass the popcorn.

    Could it be possible that we finally get to hear the why’s and wherefore’s of Neilsen’s firing?

  11. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Eureka truly is the elbow of California. Ignorant voters lead to whacky government.

  12. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Nielsen was not given an evaluation annually but only received one after his first year although the word is that the manager kept a thick “secret” file in vikation of the police officer bill of rights then fires the chief with no explanation to anyone. Even “at will” employees have rights and the police officer bill of rights is unequivocal in regard to what can be placed in an employee’s file. Once Tyson had the votes to sustain his vindictive intent he assumed it was ok to fire the guy who he thought had thwarted his delusional obsession that cost the city $ 200K. Read the depositions in the Hansen case and it will be crystal clear. The one conquest he couldn’t score and he had to lay the blame on someone. Connect the dots people, it isn’t rocket science.

  13. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Is Tyson still scoring in Cooper Gulch at lunchtime?

  14. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    No lawsuit has been filed. There has been a claim for damages which should have been presented to the council and appeared on their agenda. Typically the city routinely initially denies all claims.

  15. Eyes on the Gulch
    September 30, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    5:43, if he’s still up to shenanigans, he hasn’t parked near my house again.

  16. observer
    September 30, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Keep it in Federal Court, that’s the only way to get a fair trial. The citizen of Eureka think Neilsen was our “Best” yet.

  17. High Finance
    September 30, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    He is suing because he didn’t receive an annual evaluation ?

    Jesus, what a flimsy excuse. But lots of red meat for the Heraldo groupies.

  18. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Not so flimsy when you get fired without cause after not having any evaluations. How is an employee to gauge his performance without evaluations if salary increases are directly linked to those evaluations? This should make sense to you HF as you routinely tout your business and management acumen.

  19. September 30, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Even when there is an at-will employment situation, if there exists an employee handbook or a department rules and procedure book then that book constitutes an employment contract. This has been ruled by the courts.

    So if there is an EPD manual and it calls for periodic evaluations, and a step by step discipline procedure (write up, suspension, termination) then violating those procedures constitutes breach of contract.

    This is not flimsy, it is solid.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  20. September 30, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    A-5:46 — The story doesn’t say a lawsuit has been filed. It says a claim has been filed, and is on the Consent Calendar to be rejected, which, as the Interim City Attorney notes in his report, is typical. It’s also a fact that the claim has to be filed for a lawsuit to proceed — just as it did with Hansen, etc.

    It’s clearly not just another throwaway claim, however; Nielsen has already hired a high powered labor law attorney to file it for him.

  21. anon
    September 30, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    If Nielsen’s contract specified that he get yearly evaluations, and he didn’t, that seems easy enough to prove and would be a pretty cut & dried breach of contract. I guess that is also why Tyson fired Nielsen without cause, because if he had cause there would be evaluations that indicated cause.

    Maybe Nielsen will get lucky, the city won’t settle and they will go to court with the same attorney in the Cotton case.

  22. Anonymous
    September 30, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    You morons (not you HiFi) are so pathetic, you make me laugh!

  23. Goldie
    September 30, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Losing lawsuits makes you laugh? Costing the city hundreds of thousands of dollars without cause is funny? This city is getting run into the ground one bad decision at a time. Still laughing? It could be time to Occupy City Hall.

  24. The Big Picture
    September 30, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Corrupt and incompetent management can’t afford to have written evaluations.

    Better to subvert the rights of perceived opponents, let the stench of fear keep employee’s mouths shut, and have the public pay when things go bad.

    They always do.

  25. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Get rid of Tyson and get Garr back. I have asked the police several times to please remove a refrigerator from the sidewalk in my neighborhood. It was left there by neighbors that think they are allowed to put old outdated appliances on the street instead of taking them to the dump. The fridge has had graffiti scrawled on it’s side, it has a string half way around it, I suppose that is an attempt to make look as if it is child safe. All other towns in the United states consider this a hazard, and it is against the law. This is what we have now that Garr is not here. We are slipping back to the bad old days before Chief Nielsen. We now have graffiti all over the neighborhood. This town is unfortunately going backwards and once again living up to the reputation of being a corrupt and ugly little town run by a bunch of backwater hicks.

  26. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 6:07 am

    Even if a marijuana-growers’ consortium were to pay Nielsen’s legal fees, he still couldn’t afford discovery. But at least Thad gets to recycle old talking points, and print legal-weasel’s press releases as news.

  27. Fortuna Cookie
    October 1, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Most labor lawyers work on contingency, and with low hanging fruit for defendants like Tyson, Harpham et al it probably wasn’t hard to find one. Have another drink you’re gonna need it.

  28. Reality Please
    October 1, 2011 at 7:27 am

    “I have asked the police several times to please remove a refrigerator from the sidewalk in my neighborhood.”

    Seriously Anonymous 6:07? What on earth would make you believe this is a law enforcement issue?

  29. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Reality Please:
    Don’t even get me started on how the police department won’t mow my lawn.

  30. Plain Jane
    October 1, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Why is putting a refrigerator on a sidewalk okay but throwing a burger wrapper out your window a crime? Don’t the police have a responsibility to ticket people who litter, especially when it’s potentially child-endangering litter like an old refrigerator? Most people don’t have an appropriate vehicle or the financial means to dispose of their neighbor’s appliances. I know people who live in one of the less desirable neighborhoods who had a problem with people dumping large appliances, mattresses, sofas, etc. in their alley and the police came and cleaned it up more than once.

  31. Reality Please
    October 1, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Hilarious Anonymous 7:35. Thanks for the laugh.

  32. Outside Looking In
    October 1, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Speaking of eyesores, health hazards and litter, who owns that vacant lot next to Walgreens on Broadway? You know the one that’s had the orange temporary net fencing around it for three years? The one with the mosquito breeding ponds in the former basement that has never been filled in? That is full of debris and God knows what else? Maybe the police could go give them a ticket before some child, some elder, or some pet falls in and dies.

  33. October 1, 2011 at 8:39 am

    “I know people who live in one of the less desirable neighborhoods who had a problem with people dumping large appliances, mattresses, sofas, etc. in their alley and the police came and cleaned it up more than once.”.

    I’m not sure but I think things like that are city ordinance violations that are handled by City Engineering, or some such agency.

  34. suzy Q
    October 1, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Merle doesn’t give a shit about the westside. Refrigerators or gangs, good luck westside.

  35. Plain Jane
    October 1, 2011 at 9:49 am

    That may be, Fred. But it was EPD who came and cleaned it up.

  36. Down the Road
    October 1, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Here we go again. Garr Nielsen’s contract was illegal. You cannot
    have a at-will contract if a designated length over a month is
    stated. Garr’s was for 5 years. California Labor Law 2924
    states: An employment for a specified term may be terminated at any time by the employer in case of any willful breach of duty by the
    employee in the course of his employment, or in case of his habitual neglect of his duty or continued incapacity to perform it.
    Garr was not given a reason for his firing. He could also file a
    wrongful termination suit. Tyson the Asshole knows this.

    Read City of Eureka Personnel Code (63 Code, 2.5.ll8) (D) &
    (63 Code, 2-5.119)(E). Then read the Zero Tolerance Policy
    Against Harassment File 3.80. The Tawnie Hansen sexually
    harassment suit against Tyson should be revisited. Tyson
    has been on a power trip along with his cronies. Time for them
    to go.

  37. October 1, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “He is suing because he didn’t receive an annual evaluation… Jesus, what a flimsy excuse.”

    Brilliant legal logic.

  38. October 1, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Neilsen also has a potential suit for sexual harrasment. He could argue that the innuendo about his sex life that was being bandied about in the EPD, and on the Above the Law blog created a “hostile workplace” for him. If he complained to Tyson about this and Tyson did nothing, or if Tyson can be proved to be complicit in the harrasment and made it worse, Neilsen will win a sexual harrasment lawsuit. The Hansen depositions are relevant to this.

    Sexual harrasment laws protect everyone, not just the powerless.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  39. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 10:32 am

    This is good news. Now maybe some of the behind the scenes issues will come out. Nielsen’s hiring, promotional, purchasing, and disiplinary practice’s!

    Would this allow all the “issues” that the city couldn’t talk about before to be brought to public light?

  40. grackle
    October 1, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Depending on whether you consider the abandoned refrigerator a nuisance abatement issue, rubbish abatement, or illegal dumping, the city offers the following departments as places to ask for remedies:

    BUILDING/CODE ENFORCEMENT

    • Contact the Department – (707) 441-4155
    • Service Request – nuisance abatement, construction/development permits, construction regulations, design, use and occupancy, location and maintenance of all structures, building violations, and graffiti on private property

    FIRE DEPARTMENT
    • Contact the Department – (707) 441-4000
    • Service request – Weeds/rubbish abatement, alley encroachment, hydrant problems, fire and life safety hazards

    STREET/ALLEY MAINTENANCE
    • Contact the Department – (707) 441-4203
    • Service Request – streets, potholes, stop signs, street sign damage, graffiti removal, sidewalk issues, flooding, manhole covers, street sweeper, spills on streets, encroachments, illegal dumping, parking lots, sidewalk defects

    In addition, at
    this site

    the police department has a long statement and form on nuisance abatement titled as follows:

    Eureka Police Department
    Community Oriented Policing and Problem Solving
    Nuisance Abatement Guide

    The document, among other things, enumerates and spells out the responsibilities of Landlords over the conduct and conditions of rental properties. I note that it is signed on the city website by Garr Neilson, Chief of Police

    At this page the Police department has a three page citizen’s complaint form signed by Merl Harpham, Chief of Police, in which he promises to respond in writing to all complaints.

    At the page on Problem Oriented Policing
    which is here

    it states:
    Additionally, while it is not intended to be their primary assignment, the POP may be called upon to assist other team members with Eureka Municipal Code enforcement such as vehicle abatement, problem houses, and neighborhood nuisances.

  41. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Like complaints to grand jury, investigations, surveillance, defamatory blogs, public smear campaigns werent enough?

  42. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Not to mention frivolous lawsuit by Suzie O out to make a buck for being incompetent employee.

  43. Blahnonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Garr is just going back to the government trough for more. Doesn’t he have 2 retirements/pensions already? Now this just makes him appear even more like leech. But, hey, that’s the world we live in. Give the people what they want. Fairnes, equity, merit? Hah! Play the system, looters. He never intended to establish roots here. He’s a player, folks.

  44. Capt. Truthiness
    October 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Jane, truthfully by what means does EPD have to clear out old refrigerators on a sidewalk? The paddy wagon? I’d rather spend my tax dollars having the City’s maintenance crews do jobs like this. Aren’t these requests done through the Public Works dept or with the city’s arrangement with Recology Garbage company? C’mon, no matter how we wish to glorify Garr, lets’ be truthful…

  45. skippy
    October 1, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    It’ll be a great day when citizens get the services they deserve and City Hall has to hold a bake sale to pay for its claims and litigation.

    Excerpts from Thadeus Greenson’s Times-Standard article today, “Former EPD chief files claim against city; claim seen as first step of lawsuit, seeks unspecified damages more than $10,000

    FORMER Eureka Police Chief Garr Nielsen has filed a claim against the city… alleging it violated his contract during his four years of leading the department. City staff is recommending the Eureka City Council reject Nielsen’s claim at its meeting Tuesday…

    …BECAUSE Nielsen’s claim is essentially for back wages and compensation, it is not covered by the city’s insurance carrier, according to City Manager David Tyson, who added that the City has already consulted outside counsel regarding the claim. Nielsen’s attorney Christopher Miller, … specializes in labor and employment law and currently serves as lead counsel for the California Peace Officers Association Legal Services Program.

    IN A PREVIOUS interview with the Times-Standard, Nielsen said his firing came as a surprise and that he hadn’t received a performance evaluation since his first year heading EPD. According to Nielsen’s contract he was to receive a base salary of $126,000, evaluated annually, and receive 5 percent merit pay increases every year he received a successful review. However, the contract states that in years other city employees did not receive pay increases, Tyson had the discretion to withhold Nielsen’s raises.

    NIELSEN’S CONTRACT with the city also states his compensation was to be reviewed annually… If Nielsen had received the 5 percent merit pay increases in each of the three years he worked under the contract, it would have resulted in a total compensation increase of almost $40,000 over the three years.

    NIELSEN’S CLAIM alleges the city violated these provisions, arguing that Nielsen is entitled to punitive damages, attorney fees and costs. In a section of the claim titled, “Names of public employees causing injuries,” Nielsen named Tyson.

    THE CLAIM does not allege that Nielsen’s employment with the city was wrongfully terminated. If the claim is rejected as expected by the council Tuesday, Tyson said, the city will start the process of sitting down with Miller to discuss the claim further.”

  46. Plain Jane
    October 1, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    I didn’t say when the EPD picked up the garbage, Capt, and didn’t intend to imply Gar was in any way responsible for it. In fact, it was probably when Chief Douglas was in charge. My friends complained about the dumping and explained they didn’t have the means to move it and were afraid they would be cited. EPD came and hauled it away voluntarily.

  47. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    The city has spent more on attorneys fees than it would cost to honor the damn contract.

  48. October 1, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Sexual harrasment laws protect everyone, not just the powerless.

    Maybe a lesson the EPD needs to learn.

  49. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Hey Blahnonymous, he bought a house INSIDE the city limits and worked probably sixty hours a week. I asse his wife and daughter bailed because of the treatment he received here by those who never stopped trying to run him off. I happen to know he turned down other offers because he was committed to EPD. He put up with more shit than you or anyone should ever have to and was fired without cause. He did not leave willingly. He did more to improve police community relations than any other city employee and his commitment was unquestionably greater than you will ever know.

  50. Down the Road
    October 1, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Right on 2:00 PM. Garr wanted to retire here. I know this because
    he told me so. He was hoping that the city would extend his retirement another two years. His hell started when he cut out the
    excess overtime being put in by one of the departments in the
    police department. (He didn’t tell me that, a councilperson did).
    Little did he know he was dealing with a crony club, that all but
    carry clubs and beat on their chest. This crony club is arrogant
    and have gotten away with anything they wanted for way too long.

    He did a great job. Look what he has had to deal with. The past
    or present mayors or Tyson could have stopped “Above the Law”
    at anytime. Oh, oops, poor dears they are part of the crony
    club.

  51. Not A Native
    October 1, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Its kind of funny to read in the TS how outraged Dennis Hunter, and a few other conservatives are with the summary firing for no cause of the Harbor District director. Seems they feel the public should be informed of reasons for the dismissal because the action harms the reputation of David Hull, the axed employee.

    Gee, they didn’t have concerns about the Nielsen firing despite the fact that his position has a much greater effect on the average citizen than the Harbor District.. And an argument that they may not be Eureka residents and so have no input would be phony because a non-Eureka resident wrote in the TS to criticize Chief Nielsen and defend his being let go.

    i don’t know why David Hull was terminated, but I’d like to know a little about the reasons, just as I’d like to know the reasons for Nielsen being fired. . .

  52. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    The poor guy lived next door to Rex Bohn and Matt Owens for four years. That alone is above and beyond the call of duty

  53. anon
    October 1, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Tyson didn’t have time to do evaluations or review compensation annually. He was too busy with all those other “meetings.”

  54. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Dumped appliances and graffiti blight a neighborhood. Blight brings crime. When Chief Nielsin came to town he actually cleaned the Westside up along with the drug houses that went with it. We were always told to call the police when we had problems with trash and appliance dumping, graffiti, drug dealing and problem drug houses. We would call and nothing would happen. We went through Hell until Nielsen showed up. If you live in Cutten or the Lumbar Hills you probably aren’t aware of this. Tyson is more comfortable calling all the shots and not delegating authority to competent employees. Tyson wants to see the Westside blighted and go back to the way the good ole boys want it. His friends can squeeze every penny out of the historic architecture and keep it a blighted slum. He is no one to run a City.

  55. High Finance
    October 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    When the lefties said that Nielsin “cleaned up the West Side” I naturally took it to mean crime.

    Little did I know that you guys meant the cops were picking up abandoned refrigerators and sofas !

    “Down the Road” is full of beans. He never meant to retire here. His family never moved here & they never even sold their Oregon home.

  56. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Maybe this had something to do with the Eureka PD offcer that some how stole drugs that Gar covered up for the “thin blue line” and somehow the DA wa

  57. Lib poser
    October 1, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Posted on the news site:

    I agree with Garr Nelson’s firing. He covered up murders for Terry Lyles. He stood by and supported fictional police reports that left citizens of Eureka wounded and sometimes jailed. This was all to avoid lawsuits against the EPD. None of these people had a voice. These people were treated like scum in the courts, and Garr Nelson helped this situation to fester. I am a single mom and my young daughter watched Terry Lyles beat me up and press false charges against me. When my car was stripped, the EPD would only report the stolen license plate. Everyone said that I was lucky to be alive because Eureka is a city where 15 year old boys are shot down by the EPD. Mentally handicapped women are shot down by the EPD. A man near the rescue mission (Martin Cotton) was beaten by EPD cops and dies without medical care while in custody. The police refuse to help citizens that are robbed, but they will help police officers rob innocent people of their lives. The people that leave Eureka are leaving because the cops are fraternizing with the druggies and prostitutes that they are supposed to be busting. No one is addressing Garr Nelson’s cover-up of the gross abuses of this department. In 2007, there were more police slayings of their own citizens than in Oakland, which has 10 times the population of Eureka. How do you measure the success of a department? You measure it by the safety of the constituents. Garr Nelson has protected officers that have left maimed and dead citizens in their wake. These EPD officers feel that they have absolute power and are willing to wield it against anyone they want. This is why I don’t live in Eureka. As my child says, the cops are scarier than the bad guys. How am I to feel about this? If my child is attacked in our home, will she call the cops for help? Even children know how bad it is in the Eureka police department. If the EPD wants respect, the murderers in their department need to be fired or jailed, and the new officers need to be trained in protecting constitutional rights, and how to enforce as an officer of the law while respecting those rights. Until this happens, no amount of cover-ups will fix the situation.

  58. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    First of all HF your information is inaccurate. He did sell his Oregon home and his family was here but left because of the poisonous environment, and the last two posters are just plain plain whack jobs. Nielsen did more to change the gold ole boy culture eggar condoned police brutality than any police in the history of eureka. He established relationships with social service agencies and worked closely with both the mentally I’ll and homeless populations. He also made huge strides in the domestic violence arena. He was a visionary and much too intelligent and forward looking for a town run by corrupt officials who pander to the big old money and good ole boys. You will not see a progressive chief again in Eureka and that is a terrible shame

  59. Anonymous
    October 1, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Zat you Anon?

  60. suzy Q
    October 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    If this goes to trial I hope we get to see and hear Garr, Tawney Hansen and Larry Glass testifying under oath about all of Tyson’s evil doings!
    Be afraid DT, be very afraid………

  61. anon
    October 1, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    HiFi, you keep on showing your ignorance. SSDD.

    Abandoned fridges, graffiti etc are among the myriad of outward signs of blighted & crime-ridden neighborhoods (Criminoloy 101, dude). So, yes, cleaning up the west side did/does mean starting with that stuff, no matter who does it.

    And how do you know what Nielsen intended to do in retirement? You’re a psychic? He did, after all, purchase a house in Eureka, and in the city limits,too, unlike chickenshit Tyson. His daughter did attend Humboldt State and I’m sure she didn’t ciommute from Oregon! And he did sell his Oregon house.

    3 strikes, you’re out.

  62. Anonymous
    October 2, 2011 at 7:09 am

    This did not come from “out of the blue” as Garr told the T/S. He knew it was coming and he was preparing for it. He had his house up for sale for more than a year. The week before he was fired, he dropped the price for a quick sale. I heard it was $100K off his original asking price. Also heard that 3 realtors bought the house at the reduced price and then put it right back on the market!

  63. Anonymous
    October 2, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Are most of you stoned or just plain deluded?

    Cripes. This has to be the most psycho blog yet to hit the internet.

  64. Plain Jane
    October 2, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Cripes? Beaver Cleaver doesn’t like it when people have opinions which differ from his. They must be stoned or mentally ill. :D

  65. October 2, 2011 at 8:40 am

    “This has to be the most psycho blog yet to hit the internet.”

    No its not. It’s not even close……

    But to answer your question High Finance is deluded but he does not represent “most of us.”

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  66. Brian
    October 2, 2011 at 8:43 am

    What’s happening with the lawsuite filed against Mike Knight, Glass, Shaftner et al……………………………

    Fire Tyson, Knight and putthose positions out to contract :)

  67. Down the Road
    October 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Hi Fi: You called me full of beans. About what? I Talked with
    Garr Nielsen and that is exactly what he said about retirement.

    You think everyone that post here is a liberal. Wrong I’m retired
    business. I hate most of these two-bit nonprofits here that suck
    off of the taxpayer’s money. Halve of the money they get goes
    in their pockets. They are the real phonies. What I hate more
    than them is ignorant people like you.

  68. October 2, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Sure is sad to see everybody suing everyone and their dog in Eureka. Don’t we have anything better to do with our time than suing people? It seems like this lawsuit with Gar was only a matter of time apparently. It seemed like one of those things that was inevitable.

  69. October 2, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Do you think Garr should give up the claim and simply leave threatening messages on Tyson’s phone, Chris?

  70. tra
    October 2, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Damn! You just got served, Holmquist.

  71. Anonymous
    October 2, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Finally someone fighting back against the good ole boys. This may make the good ole boys eat the shit they created.

  72. High Finance
    October 3, 2011 at 7:52 am

    If he was planning to retire here Down, why did his wife stay in Oregon all those years ?

    And Anon, they are not garbage men they are cops. Nobody but a few nuts here want the cops to be hauling away fridges and sofas.

  73. Load Me Another
    October 3, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Tyson can be reached for comment in red SUV at one his many rendevous points: Cooper Gulch, Harris and K Mkt. area, Wood Street, C Street, the Duck Pond, etc. After knocking, please give ample time to zip up pants and roll down window.

  74. insider
    October 3, 2011 at 9:53 am

    “If he was planning to retire here Down, why did his wife stay in Oregon all those years ?” Because she was immediately targeted by Dee Dee, Suzy and the old guard as a way to get to Garr.

  75. Anonymous
    October 3, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    His wife and daughter left because he did not want them subjected to the same viciousness, threats, and treatment he had to endure. Don’t forget that a police officer reported there was a group determined to “take out” the chief can’t blame him for trying to protect his family.
    Hi Fi, your speculation is based upon nothing more than supposition. I know the chief and know that he talked to the manager about staying an additional two years, fully intending to retire from EPD. He was very much invested in the community, had just joined the board of the Boys and Girls Club, was active at his church and a number of other community groups. He held on to a naive hope that EPD could become a progressive and caring organization.

  76. Down the Road
    October 3, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    One of the reasons Garr’s wife stayed in Oregon was to see her
    daughter finish her schooling there.

    Unfortunately, the naive part came in when someone decided
    to put him on the city council calendar to extend his contract.
    It was like throwing bloody raw meat to piranhas. There are three
    people sitting on council who were in some sort of law enforcement. There are good buddies with the good buddies.
    Two are known to drag their knuckles on the ground. The other
    one isn’t dumb, just confused as what her role should be, to
    serve Tyson or to serve the people.

  77. Down the Road
    October 3, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    They are good buddies with the good buddies.

  78. Say What?!
    October 4, 2011 at 7:59 am

    suzy Q says:
    October 1, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Merle doesn’t give a shit about the westside. Refrigerators or gangs, good luck westside.

    Um, Murl was the guy primarily responsible for taking the extra steps to get that stuff cleaned up. He took care of much of it personally and not because he had to. Garr had nothing to do with it. Now that he is extra busy as acting Chief, much of the nuisance abatement work (which in fact could/should be handled by other departments) is delayed. Hence, why Murl has sought and gained approval to hire a Neighborhood Oriented Policing (NOP) officer to add to the POP team once staffing levels permit. Most folks prefer their POP team to concentrate on the major criminals in town and not appliance patrol.

    Heck, from my insider viewpoint, Murl spent most of his time in the trenches cleaning up the nasty parts of town like the West side. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him in Lumbar Hills. Get your facts straight please. He is genuinely a decent man who treats everyone with respect…homeless to influential folks.

  79. anon
    October 4, 2011 at 8:12 am

    He is an old fart backstabber who only took steps to clean things up because the former chief put him in POP and told him to. There aren’t a lot of places in police departments where an 80 year old guy could or should work at all. Nielsen laid the groundwork. Murl is undoing what he can and stealing ideas for the rest.

  80. insider
    October 4, 2011 at 8:49 am

    say what? 7:59 you are delirious. Merle was told what to do. He was made part of the code enforcement team that the city attorney put together. Merle is a friendly person, but he is homophobic, racist and loves destroy the property of homeless people. Council members asked for Merle to be fired over two years ago.

  81. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Stay classy Garr!
    Insider, shouldnt you be working an extra job to come up with $$$ that you were found personally liable for???

  82. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Murl and his volunteers from EPD have put in countless hours of their own unpaid time hauling trash out of Eureka’s gulches.

    That trash includes rotten, moldy remnants of tents, sleeping bags, and clothing that has been discarded by homeless people who pack their stuff down into those areas of the city and leave a lot of it there.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they have also removed appliances from sidewalks so our city would not look like some hell hole where nobody cares about themselves or the people who live around them.

    Say What?! – You Said It !!!!!

  83. Apologist Not
    October 4, 2011 at 11:34 am

    It’s a beautiful thing to hand the public the bill for personal vendettas, without accountability, without having to admit guilt, and without question from “community” media.

    This is the kind of Romanesque self-importance that imitates leadership through displays of decisiveness when, in fact, it is arbitrary and capricious.

    “…psychotic individuals with repressed consciences are often found in top levels of government due to their decisive personalities when, in fact, they cannot care what happens next, or who pays the price of their decisions”. (The Mask of Sanity, H. Cleckly, University of Georgia).

  84. High Finance
    October 4, 2011 at 11:40 am

    All you nasty people slamming Merle should thank your lucky stars that people like him devote their lives to making Eureka a better place to live.

    Shame on you.

  85. Auntie Arkley
    October 4, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Tyson has cost this city more money than anyone else. He is a worthless idiot who never should have been hired, and certainly should never have been paid for his total incompetence. Get rid of him NOW, before he performs some other hair-brained action and costs the city even MORE money. He is a loser and having him as City Manager makes Eureka a loser. That also describes the current City Council.

    Merle makes Eureka a better place to live? Really? Better than Nielsen? How? If you were mentally unbalanced (which you just might be considering your posts) and had the cops shooting at you, you might have a different opinion!

  86. High Finance
    October 4, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Maybe that is why you are afraid of the cops ?

  87. Smart 5th Grader
    October 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Or, High Liar, because half of them are violent thugs …

  88. High Finance
    October 4, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Next time you’re in trouble, call Auntie Arkley for help.

  89. Apologist Not
    October 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    It took about 2-seconds for Murl to undermine his own contributions to Eureka when he made front-page news calling my city a “Hell Hole”.

    Murl’s not the first career bureaucrat turned arrogant and irresponsible after a lifetime receiving high public salary in a good ol’ boy’s club who’s members can do no wrong.

  90. caliboy
    October 4, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Of course it follows that the top cop was appointed by the Council, who was voted in by the people, so of course the people are losers. This is what AA has to say. One point that would make sense is that AA is mentally unbalance and a complete dickwad.

    Other than Atkins, who is gone next election, new city council has made people pretty happy with their work.

    Smart 5th grader is just that, a person who thinks, writes and talks like a small child. Fits in perfect with this bunch.

  91. used to get a shit
    October 4, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    caliboy, the city manager hires the Police Chief. go back to the mirror nimrod.

  92. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Meth users and other drug users and criminals and their apologists have done far more damage to Eureka than anyone else has.

  93. Out of Sorts
    October 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Well Bubba drag your knuckles over this fact: Your taxes are going up by $4.5 million dollars to pay for Tyson’s misfeasance and Harphams incompetence. Let us know when it sinks in.

  94. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Eureka is a hell hole. Look at highway 101. There are only homeless and psychos to be seen. Betty Chinn’s showers make things worse than ever. This town is insane. Slum lords like Paye drive good residents away when he rents to low life welfare trash. There is no way to clean things up when we encourage losers to come to our town. Things were being cleaned up with Garr. When Murl is given orders or decides to clean things up, he does a great job and things improve. I think Garr was actually making things better here in Eureka. Such a shame he is gone. But as long as we welcome the troubled to our town things will never improve.

  95. anon
    October 4, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I agree witjh Anonymous at 5:54. If people like Tyson and Murl have devoted their lives to the betterment of Eureka and not just their own self-interest, then why is it stiill such a hellhole? And why doesn’t Tyson even live in Eureka?

  96. Down the Road
    October 4, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    It is misfeasance and malfeasance. It wasn’t just David Tyson.
    Any elected official and I include the past mayor in this could
    have stopped the malicious “Above the Blog”. If Tyson didn’t
    like Nielsen’s management style he could have done a review.
    He is, along with Dee Dee Wilson, Owsley, and many others
    culpable.

    As far as the new council, except Linda, doing good
    things_____Oh, my god, after watching tonight’s meeting on
    MJ and the ordinance, collectively I have never seen a more
    ignorant group. Even the indians knew to raid other tribes to
    keep the blood lines healthy.

  97. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    If Tyson actually lived in Eureka maybe he would care for the town as much as he cares for the zoo.

  98. October 4, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    after watching tonight’s meeting on MJ and the ordinance, collectively I have never seen a more ignorant group.

    Brady still doesn’t know that discussion follows a second on a motion. This process she has gone through multiple times at every city council meeting for the last 10 months — so confusing!

    Watching Mike Newman try to grasp simple concepts after they’ve been explained and explained again for his benefit is just painful.

  99. Anonymous
    October 4, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I only watched a small portion of the meeting on TV. Did the mayor figure out how to work the microphone yet?

  100. caliman
    October 4, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    This thread…….. oh, yeah, Garr suing the City. So, Eureka is 2x the size of Arcata or Fortuna. Therefore, Arcata and Fortuna should have half these pesky lawsuits that Eureka has. OK, throw in Blue Lake, Trinidad, and Ferndale. And Humboldt County. That is, in total, perhaps 2x the City of Eureka. And, twice the lawsuits or payouts? Just trying to reconcile the seemingly high level of police oriented payouts or lawsuits in Eureka as opposed to the rest of our community. Whut is up?

  101. Apologist Not
    October 4, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Most Eureka citizens are not informed enough to ask “what’s up”.

    Only half the eligible voters are participating!

    As local industry collapsed, local yokels made quick-millions on Granddaddy’s land for malls and sprawl and another generation is now fighting-to-the-death to maintain the public subsidies their profiteering requires.

    For the first time, the New Depression threatens to expose their subsidies.

    If the Times Standard had a community-interest agenda, the public would understand these subsidies. They would have held Tyson accountable for losing his top department management, for failing to investigate a harassment complaint sooner, and for capriciously firing Garr. They would have been pressing uncomfortable questions all-along while questioning the answers!

    Instead, the TS merely takes notes and quotes dopes.

    For the last decade, not ONE TS reporter has had the common-sense to ask ANY candidate how they know that additional big boxes and more sprawl will help our economy, when it contradicts virtually all the national and local economic research available!

    It’s the development community’s agenda, and the public pays the bill.

  102. High Finance
    October 5, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Caliman, your comparison of the lawsuits is lacking in the reason behind fewer lawsuits in the rest of the county.

    You assume the reason is the cops are better in the other areas. But our cops are as good as them. The real reason is the other areas have fewer of the dredges of society than Eureka has.

  103. October 5, 2011 at 10:08 am

    and your solution High Finance is to “get tough” with the homeless and redistribute them to “other areas” like Fortuna, Garberville and Rio Dell?

    Your brilliance is stunningly apparent even in this shining city.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  104. Boris
    October 5, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Mr. Hi Finance is correct. In Moscow we had to clear the streets of the vagrants and the police just did their job. It’s a tough job but someone needs to swing the billy club and clear the streets.

  105. Apologist Not
    October 5, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The despair, crime, violence, drug abuse and homelessness associated with poverty increases when a community becomes saturated with poverty-wage jobs and the homes they can’t afford.

    A win-win for idiots who think they are beneficiaries…AND who love to complain about the poor.

  106. Anonymous
    October 5, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Why should Humboldt, especially Eureka be the recipient of every loser that wants a free ride. Our police are overburdened as are our citizens wanting a safe pleasant place to live. These freeloading troublemakers should be told to hit the road. That is what happens in most towns. This is why other towns are free from an overabundance of drugged out bums and psychos, unlike Eureka.

  107. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Right 11:27! We don’t want anyone to get the idea that people have RIGHTS in this country to live where they choose, FFS!

  108. October 5, 2011 at 11:39 am

    When the Eureka Police Department finally gets the leadership and the training that it so desperately needs, the officers will be trained to understand that homeless people have all the same civil rights as any one of the swells lunching at the Ingomar Club.

    It is that simple. That’s part of a modern civilian police force. Respect for all people.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  109. tra
    October 5, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Well put, Bill.

  110. Anonymous
    October 5, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Many of you must be blind and never been to another town or county. This town has too many freeloaders. This town is a mess. Homeless should have rights but why do all they all have to come to Eureka.

  111. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I don’t think not understanding that everyone has the same rights is the problem, Bill. They just don’t care because there are too many people, including elected officials, who think like 11:27. These are the people who love it when homeless people get roughed up and whine like little bitches when they lose lawsuits.

  112. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2011 at 11:52 am

    If you think other towns don’t have homeless people, you should get out more, 11:47. The increasing homeless problem is because of the bad economy and lack of jobs, not because lots of people suddenly got lazy, fool.

  113. Auntie Arkley
    October 5, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    High Finance: Once again, your idiocy speaks for itself.

  114. Auntie Arkley
    October 5, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Hey caliboy, your ass is for spewing shit, not your brain. Try using your brain to think, if possible.

  115. Apologist Not
    October 5, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Even HiFi cannot hide the stench of his incessant sophistry @ 11:47:

    Eureka is a city impacted by 50,000 people, (including Myrtle Town, Cutten, Pine and Humboldt Hill), with an average police force for a city of 25,000. (Eureka’s successive right-wing city council’s fear the expense of public safety more than incorporation).

    For a city of 50,000, Eureka’s crime and homeless numbers are close to national averages.

    Leave it to knuckle-dragging bigots to curse the poor that every class above them rests upon.

    Look up “Freeloading troublemaker” and find a picture of Wall Street, their 400% interest rates, looting of the Treasury, paying zero taxes, dependent upon the labor of children throughout the world…protected by 700 foreign U.S. military bases.

    Wall Street ‘s welfare mothers from Hell.

  116. caliboy
    October 5, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    AA, as can be seen from your thought process and your responses you are an intellectual midget. The truth is just another shit for brains with an anti agenda for things you lack the ability to understand.

    Actually I make my living with my brain, not my mouth as you obviously do. I’m not so old that I spew shit, mine still comes out solid. I am sure you must be making a reference to your inability to produce solid thoughts. Again I would urge you to seek medical help as dementia can strike frequently when the brain receives little stimulation or exercise.

  117. High Finance
    October 5, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Bill, 10.08am. Since that is not what I said I can only surmise that you are lying on purpose.

    Apologist at 12.25pm apparently can’t read since his post says the exact opposite of what the poster I was arguing against said.

    Auntie Arkley is a particularly unlikeable sort. His life must be a rotten one and he takes it out by blogging.

  118. Apologist Not
    October 5, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    If we’re misquoting….and Hi-Liar is not a knuckle-dragging bigot, here’s his chance to claim Eureka’s poor and homeless cannot be generalized as “freeloading troublemakers”, and that there’s no “overabundance of drugged out bums, psychos and homeless in Eureka”.

    Eureka, is just like most other American small towns today suffering draconian divestment in public serves, education and infrastructure, combined with the outsourcing of jobs and unparalleled transfer of public wealth to Wall Street.

  119. October 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Hi Finance at 10 08 I was asking you a question. (hint: there was a “?” at the end of the sentence.)

    Why don’t you just answer it? Do you want to force the homeless out of Eureka and into other “areas” like Fortuna or McKinleyville or Trinidad?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  120. Anonymous
    October 5, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    caliboy is a mirror troll

  121. Anonymous
    October 5, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    This town was going to hell way before the economy tanked. Blaming Wall Street for all the professional freeloaders that swarm Eureka is ridiculous.

  122. Anonymous
    October 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    As to the 10:08 question-yeah let some of the other towns share the load. But they wouldn’t like that. Best send them back to their place of origin.

  123. October 5, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    What if the homeless person’s “place of origin” is right here in Eureka? What would you do then? Would you still export them to some other less deserving place than pristine Eureka? Export them to surrounding communities? Been to Garberville lately?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  124. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Or any other town, Bill. These trolls hate the homeless for the same reason they vote against their own (any most everyone’s) best interests. The homeless disrupt their delusional fantasies that they too will be rich one day and remind them that they are just a financial catastrophe away from homelessness themselves.

  125. Apologist Not
    October 6, 2011 at 11:26 am

    If you haven’t noticed, Hi-Liar cherrry-picks the questions he will answer and ignores the one’s revealing his ignorance and bigotry.

    Bill is correct.

    Many of the homeless are here because they lived here once, were born here, have family, or a friend.

    25% of America’s homeless are U.S. veterans.

    But that ‘s not enough for cowards and traitors like Hi-Liar to want them shuttled off to less familiar cities to augment their suffering.

    For bigots like Hi-Liar, knowing that others are suffering more than them provides comfort from Hi-Liar’s own deprivations and insecurities.

    It’s called schadenfreude, a national pandemic.

  126. Apologist Not
    October 6, 2011 at 11:47 am

    7:12PM thinks $2 trillion looted from the U.S. Treasury to bailout the richest among us wouldn’t create many jobs for America’s impoverished and unemployed.

    Unbelievable.

  127. caliboy
    October 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Actually if you look at def of coward, traitor, or bigot they apply much more to AN and PJ. They sit behind anon id ( actually multiple id’s) and sling verbal abuse at anyone who does not agree with their position because its the only one that could be right. That covers coward and bigot. As for traitor, many of their positions are in direct conflict with what the majority of Americans believe America stands for, as you will see in the next election.

    I’m still trying to remember when I first heard the term Schadenfreude. I believe it was in some intro class in college. Its hardly a pandemic although it is common. I assume you heard it when you were discussing your problems with your therapist. Did you have them spell it out for you cause it must have been hard to figure out by yourself.

  128. High Finance
    October 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Apologist Not is speaking with a forked tongue.

    While many of the homeless are from here, many more are not.

    25% of America’s homeless are US veterans, 25% (or close to that) of American men in general are veterans. That statistic is meaningless.

    Apologist Not is one thing and that is a hypocrite. You cry about the homeless but you do nothing about it. You don’t volunteer your services, you donate nothing and you don’t take any of them into your home. You sound like a troll Mr Apologist.

    And we don’t “hate” the homeless PJ, you understand nothing about people you disagree with. Even worse, you don’t even try. We DO hate the homeless disrupting our town, defecating in our bushes, ruining our wildlife areas, costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars in welfare costs and law enforcement costs.

    PJ is quick to say Eureka should welcome the homeless. But PJ does not live nor work in our town.

    Bill, I didn’t answer your question because it was a false question. I don’t want to force the homeless to other Humboldt towns. I want them out of the county if they refuse to work. If they are incapable of working because of drug problems I want them in detox. If they are incapable of working because of mental problems they should be hospitilized into centers for their own protection.

    If they are capable but choose not to work because of all the freebies society gives them, give them a one way ticket out of town.

  129. tra
    October 6, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    caliboy said: “As for traitor, many of their positions are in direct conflict with what a majority of Americans believe America stands for…”

    You really ought to look up the definition of “treason” and “traitor,” because you’re way, way off the mark in terms of what “treason” consists of.

    The way you’re using the term is, essentially, dissent = treason. Ironically, that idea itself is the exact opposite of what “the najority of Americans believe America stands for.”

  130. Fact Checker
    October 6, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    High Finance says:
    October 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    “25% of America’s homeless are US veterans, 25% (or close to that) of American men in general are veterans. That statistic is meaningless.”

    A new high in lows for you No Class. That statistic is meaningful to any American who cares about veterans, that statistic is meaningful to homeless veterans, and it is meaningful to their families. You truly are a heartless scumbag No Class.

  131. tra
    October 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Hi Fi said: “…give them a one-way ticket out of town.”

    And if every community followed that advice, we’d get back just as many homeless folks as we sent away.

    Such a policy would be good for Greyhound, but useless to the rest of society.

  132. Fact Checker
    October 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    High Barf said: “You cry about the homeless but you do nothing about it.”

    Before you start hating on me High Barf, I have served more than a thousand meals to homeless Americans including homeless American veterans.

  133. Down the Road
    October 6, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    When I was growing up, the term homeless was not being used
    to cover every person living on the streets. The term bum, drug
    user, alcoholic, escaped prisoner, rapist, and etc. were some of
    the terms used. While I have great sympathy for the mentally
    ill, the disabled, the person who has lost their job and the elderly
    on fixed income, the majority of the two legged trash in Eureka do
    not fit in those categories. Instead we have parolees who have
    come into Eureka without permission. We have the sexual offenders, lots of child offenders, the drug seller and user, the
    alcoholic and lest we forget the whores. To make a argument that
    this is normal, I suggest you check the FBI crime rates. To suggest
    Eureka is like any small city is ludicrous. This is the capital for
    tax sucking non-profits. They beg people to go on welfare, food
    stamps and any other benefit that some agency is offering.
    This justifies the non-profits existence. Get rid of all of this crap
    then we can afford to create jobs.

  134. October 6, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    High Finance,

    I knew you would walk that back a bit once the implications of your proposal were obvious – that the big shots in Eureka want to simply push their homeless “problem” off on other smaller surrounding communties. Now the folks in Fortuna, McKinleyville and Loleta can relax. However your new target for your gift of homeless people seems to be places like Santa Rosa, Crescent City, Redding, Ukiah or maybe Ashland and maybe they won’t appreciate your plan much either. In fact they might even consider you to be a complete ass for proposing it.

    I thought that self-reliance was a conservative value? When you slough off your social responsibilities to your neighbor towns and cities is that a “conservative” value or a “Republican” one?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  135. High Finance
    October 7, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Bill, I suggest you read Down The Road’s post at 4.17pm and try to educate yourself about the huge problem Eureka faces and the enablers that are making the problem worse every day.

    So say you “Fact” Checker. But you have been known to make shit up before.

  136. October 7, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    I suggest you answer the simple question I asked you. Are you avoiding the answer simply because you don’t have one?

    Is sloughing off your social responsibiliities a conservative value or a Republican one? What is your solution for the homeless problem?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  137. High Finance
    October 7, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    If all the towns did the same the homeless that are capable of working but are too damn lazy would be forced to work.

    The number of homeless would be cut drastically. Then society would be happy to help those that really need the help. Those needing help will get the the help needed but not always appreciated.

  138. Apologist Not
    October 7, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    “I’m still trying to remember when I first heard the term Schadenfreude”. (caliboy says:October 6, 2011 at 1:16 pm).

    Every night, when your mother told you, “…eat all your peas because there’s someone starving in India”.

    AKA: take solace in what you have via others who have less.

    AKA: Schadenfreude, part of America’s mass-psychology of fascism.

    Our culture denies responsibility for (or even admits to) an imperial economy, and, as a result, the hungry beast inevitably turns on its own people, marking the decline of every empire preceding ours.

  139. The Big Picture
    October 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Whatever you do, don’t demand that Hi-Liar provide a credible source showing that there are millions of jobs for the homeless going unfilled in America, or hundreds more in Humboldt County.

    You’ll just send his tiny universe into complete disarray.

    If Hi-Liar wanted the homeless to have jobs, he’d be downtown right now teaching them Chinese and paying for their airfare.

    What a hypocrite!

  140. October 7, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    High Finance,

    So now your solution is forcing people to work? You want to start a movement that every city and town in America start forcing people to work? Alms houses for the poor? Chain gangs for welfare recipients?

    It is a good thing that you are posting anonymously because I dare any polititican in Humboldt to stand up and state this position. They will be immediately laughed off the ballot.

    Have you perchance read any Charles Dickens, Mr. Shit Don’t Stink?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  141. October 7, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Here’s a scenario to wrap your mind around High Finance, and there’s gonna be a question at the end of it for you. But this will show everyone how silly, how fanciful and ultimately how stupid your idea is.

    Imagine that one Monday morning about 11:30 a dozen or so EPD are dispatched to St. Vincent’s dining hall and 100 “able bodied slackers” are rounded up. Murl Harpham will be on scene in the moblile command HQ. They are marched down 5th St. to City Hall. So far so good, The whole mornings operation cost: only $20,000 or so but that is just chump change as we will soon see. Tyson addresses the assemblage of lazy assholes, and he tells them: YOU WILL WORK FOR THE HOMELAND! YOU WILL BE PAID MINIMUM WAGE AND NO MORE! YOU WILL DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD! (You do intend to pay these people wages, right Hi Fi?) So now we are talking about $1,200 an hour, or about $2.5 million per year cost to the city to employ these slackers for minimum wage. Looks like you’re gonna need prop O v.2. So you want to raise taxes so the government can create jobs for these people?

    So the question is High Finance, what work would you have these hundred people do for the city of Eureka that is worth $1,200 an hour? The crew is standing around, and you’re burnin’ daylight like John Wayne said.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  142. Walt
    October 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    At the ominous word “liberality”, Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back.

    “At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,” said the gentleman, taking up a pen, “it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”

    “Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.

    “Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

    “And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”

    “They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “ I wish I could say they were not.”

    “The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.

    “Both very busy, sir.”

    “Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”

    Ah, for the Good Old Days, right HF?

  143. Mitch
    October 7, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I admit I wanted this post to urge people not to waste their time responding to HiFi.

    But it’s so hard to resist….

    HiFi,

    Here’s a way you might yet be able to save your soul.

    Wear the same clothes for a few days. Don’t shower. Drive to a town where no one knows you. Don’t take ID — there’s no law that says you have to carry ID. Don’t take any money, except some in your shoe so you can get back home.

    Spend three days. If you can get yourself work, by all means do so. Stay where you can. If the churches help, that’s great. If not, there’s always the local welfare office. If you see an officer of the law, stride right up and explain that you have no money and you’re looking for a job. But don’t rely on any existing networks you might have.

    See how easily you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

    If you were to do this, I would listen seriously to everything you have to say in the future. That is a risk-free statement.

  144. Anonymous
    October 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    You are taking the term knee jerk liberal to the max. Most of the welfare recipients and homeless came here for a free ride. Go to another town and compare it to Eureka. Get real. Eureka is such a screwed up mess because of all the leeches that come here from other places. Your naive attitude and misplaced charity is what enables them to come and stay.

  145. Mitch
    October 8, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Anonymous 8:05,

    You are entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to wonder what it’s based on. Did you personally check with a large sampling of local homeless people and welfare recipients to confirm that most came here for a free ride? Or are you relying on a report, where somebody else did the checking? If it’s a report, could you share it with us?

    I don’t doubt that some homeless people and welfare recipients came here in hopes of a free ride. I suspect it’s a very, very small percentage of the folks in need, but I don’t really know. I’m also not sure what the free ride consists of — unpleasant shelter and free food and showers?

    Can you think of any reason other than “welfare recipients” and “the homeless” that Eureka might be having problems that are less visible in other towns? If you give it a try, you might be able to come up with other reasons.

  146. Ed
    October 8, 2011 at 7:53 am

    I’m sure any homeless person dreams of coming to Eureka, what with our warm weather, ample employment opportunities, and reputation for kind, understanding police.

  147. The Big Picture
    October 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Many great comments here.

    Thank you all for banishing Heraldo’s pet troll again, and again.

    We anxiously await his childish insults in lieu of the inconvenient questions posed above.

  148. Pet Troll
    October 8, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    ***Rule #1

    Lie about speaking for a larger group of reasonable folks:

    “We don’t hate the homeless”

    ***Rule #2

    Lie about shared compassion:

    “I want the ill to be treated, I don’t want to force the homeless to other Humboldt towns, if needed, I want them in detox, If they are incapable of working because of mental problems they should be hospitilized into centers for their own protection”.

    ***Rule #3

    Make a reasonable-sounding conclusion:

    “We only hate the homeless disrupting our town, defecating in our bushes, ruining our wildlife areas, costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars in welfare costs and law enforcement costs”.

    ***Rule #4

    Do not respond to the reality:

    “We” are also against the showers in Old Town, and adequate public restrooms, “we” are against universal health care, Obamacare, AND the privatization of neighborhood rehab. centers. “We” know there aren’t enough jobs for willing workers, but, “we” take every opportunity to slam the Redwood Community Action Agency for helping youths find housing and employment, (“we” did NOTHING when CETA left Eureka, removing $13 million a year in job training and placement opportunities for youths). “We” fight every ordinance and subsidy proven to aid affordable housing, instead, “WE” means that public subsidies should only belong to big subdivisions outside the city limits, and our big boxes. At least a few can still become effortlessly rich in post-industrial America on cheaply acquired land. “We” removed the benches from Old Town and were “shocked” when the homeless began sleeping on sidewalks.

    “We” don’t want to pay the costs of repatriating homeless Americans nor the higher costs of failing to do so.

    Thus, “we” are not conservative.

    Neither will “we” have any comment on the costs of “misbehaving” Wall Street that “disrupted” the world economy into another depression. “We” like keeping focus on the least among us.

    “We” are traitors.

    (Source: Hi-Liar 1:19).

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