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Forum On Klamath Dam Removal Process Tonight

[PSA from the Northcoast Environmental Center]

Local environmental groups will host a public forum to explain the contents of the federal and state environmental impact reports on Klamath Hydroelectric Project dam removal that are currently available for public review.

The two-hour even starts tonight (Wednesday, Oct. 19th) at 6:30pm at the Wharfinger in Eureka.  Co-sponsors include Northcoast Environmental Center, Environmental Protection Information Center, North Group and Redwood Chapter Sierra Club, Redwood Region Audubon, Ancient Forests International and Oregon Water Watch.


  1. October 19, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I still have yet to hear any good reason for removing the dams. All they need to is install fish ladders and that should solve the migration problems for fish.

  2. Not an Expert
    October 19, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Fred, maybe you should go tonight, you might learn something about dams, water quality, and fish.

  3. wurking stiff
    October 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Fred– the water coming out of the dams are: a) overheated which leads to toxic (to humans and wildlife) algal blooms, and; b) full of agricultural chemical fertilizers leading to algal blooms [see a) above].

    These are the grim facts.

  4. October 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    the water coming out of the dams are: a) overheated which leads to toxic (to humans and wildlife) algal blooms, and; b) full of agricultural chemical fertilizers leading to algal blooms [see a) above].

    The water would be the same way during low river flows.

    The water the dam holds is water that wouldn’t otherwise be there and can be released- as was done recently at one of the dams down south- to improve water flows when needed. Never mind for whatever other purpose we need water for, such as fighting fires. Otherwise, the water just runs out to the sea.

  5. Anonymous
    October 19, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Fred Mangles you should have attended the forum. Your over simplification of what is going on with the dam and surrounding areas speaks volumes about your lack of awareness.

  6. Anonymous
    October 19, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Yeah, all that wasted water flowing into the sea…. where all it does is maintain a balanced salinity level. Check out what is happening to the Sea of Cortez for lack of fresh water. Smaller body of water, shorter time frame but same end result.

  7. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Oops, that was me.

  8. Not an Expert
    October 19, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    The dams must come down, but unfortunately the “forum” was a one-sided rant against the KBRA (Klamath Basin Settlement Agreement), which is the only realistic option for dam removal. The only invited speakers had a litany of reasons why it’s not good enough. During the Q&A, Dave Bitts of PCFFA (commercial fishermen’s group) said, sure it doesn’t fix the Scott and Shasta Rivers or Keno Reservoir, but it also doesn’t solve the West Bank, for gods sake.

    The enviros fighting this (Pat Higgins, Felice Pace, and a few others) seem bound and determined to give Siskiyou County more ammo for their lawsuits rather than working towards actually getting the dams out.

  9. October 20, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Yeah, all that wasted water flowing into the sea…. where all it does is maintain a balanced salinity level.

    Then we’d better stop taking water from the Mad River, too, huh?

  10. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 7:13 am

    All or nothing, Fred? It must be easy being you.

  11. October 20, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Seems to me the dam busters are the all- or- nothing folks.

  12. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 8:14 am

    How things seem to you isn’t how they seem to most people.

  13. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 8:34 am

    And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood… And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

  14. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 8:36 am

    They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

  15. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Fish are dying and algae is growing. 2020 is such a long time to continue to let things deteriorate. What guarantee is there that the dam removal will really take place.

  16. a non
    October 20, 2011 at 11:29 am

    There is NO guarantee the dams will be removed. Only guarantee is that the heavily subsidized (ie welfare receiving) farmers in the upper basin WILL get water, regardless of what happens to the river and the fish. This is what the KBRA is all about. It is a Bush era political fix heavily weighted in favor of the farmers.

  17. October 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Fish are dying and algae is growing..

    The Klamath recently had a record run of salmon, despite the so- called “fish killing dams”. You might also recall that during the state wide shut down of the salmon season of a few years ago there were only 2 rivers where salmon fishing was allowed: Some branch of the Sacramento(?) River, and the Klamath.

    Algae grows even in rivers without dams when the water is low and warm. If you take out the dams the rivers will still get algae in them under certain conditions, just as the Eel and most others do.

  18. Anonymous
    October 20, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Fred is a reminder of just how willfully ignorant some people are.

  19. Anonymous but Real
    October 20, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Having seen the Eel River in late August in the early 1960’s, I believe Fred is telling the truth about algae in that river before the Eel was dammed.

    Fred is ignorant of many things, as Will Rogers said we all are, but he has true understanding of this particular issue.

  20. a non
    October 20, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    but Real, I disagree that Fred understands the algae problem in the Upper Klamath basin, and downstream.

    Sure, all rivers have algae. The issue is the extent, and type of algae. Fred’s statement is like saying we all harbor E. coli in our bodies, so what’s the difference if you eat some with your melon? It’s all natural, right?

    Obvious case of “a little knowledge…”

  21. October 20, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Obvious case of “a little knowledge…”

    Nope. but it’s mostly just common sense.

    The flow in the Klamath would be the same, possibly less, without the dam. The dam should hold surplus water that can be released if needed. I just read the other day that they increased the release from one of the dams in Mendo or Sonoma Counties to raise the flow in the Russian(?) River. That’s one of the benefits of dams.

    When water goes low in the late summer, algae tends to grow. It happens in the Eel and Trinity Rivers fairly often, thus the obligatory notices we get in the news all the time about “swimmers itch” and other toxic algaes (some which can be fatal to pets).

    The fact that a dam hold surplus water should have little, if any, bearing on the condition of the river, so long as as near a normal flow as possible is allowed to be released. If the dam wasn’t there, when the water from the tributaries dries up, the main river might well dry up, too. At least with the surplus dam water you have the option of increasing the flow for a time if it’s deemed necessary.

    Water diversions for commercial use whether it be food and mj farming or just municipal water supplies, can certainly drain existing water supplies. That’s a related, albeit separate, issue that generally isn’t a problem with a dam in and of itself. In fact, the dams help nullify some of the diversion problems by storing a surplus that can be used so the river itself isn’t sucked dry.

  22. a non
    October 20, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Fred, you are truly ignorant. I make it a point to not argue with ignorant people. Suggestion: get on line and read about toxic algae in the upper Klamath. Maybe you will become less ignorant.

    Better yet, go see it for yourself. Careful not to touch the water – you risk sickness and possible death.

    And Fred, FYI, that dam in Mendocino gets its water from the Eel. Water diverted to the vineyards of Mendo and Sonoma are part of the problem with low flows and the toxic algae they produce in the Eel River.

    Now Fred, do give it a rest until you’ve studied these things more. Better to remain silent than to expose your ignorance.

  23. October 20, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    And 3:59 shows he’s a big part of the problem.

  24. Thorstein Veblen
    October 20, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    So, there you have it, all is well, no problem exists. I guess some people just love dams, and detest rivers as God gave them to us.

  25. Anonymous
    October 21, 2011 at 8:54 am

    forget it Thorstein, Fred’s blog says he won.

  26. Bolithio
    October 21, 2011 at 8:57 am

    It does help to understand how complex these issues are. The Klamath has average temperatures that are lethal to salmon and steelhead. The only reason they have been able to survive, is their ability to take refuge in the mouths of creeks where cold water is discharged into the river. But this has lead to big time die offs of all the key anadaromous fisheries, while an increase in warmer loving fish that compete with them (pike minnow).

    But that is just the tip of the iceburg of the Klamath’s woes. And yes the Damn is a significant issue.

    If you really care, here is a healthy list of documents so you all can stop calling each other names and have an informed discussion:


    And of course the TDML:

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