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Cops raid Occupy Eureka

Eureka Police raided the Occupy Eureka camp in front of the Humboldt County Courthouse at 3:40am Monday morning, according to KIEM reporter Kelly May.  The photo is from her twitter feed.

May said EPD Chief Murl Harpham was on scene and that multiple arrests were made “as protesters [became] violent.”

Until more information is forthcoming, the Humboldt Herald advises readers to take this information with a grain of salt given the infamous poop and pee inquiry by KIEM on Friday.

Did KIEM have advance notice of the raid? May was the first to tweet the pre-dawn raid as it was going down. KIEM seems to be tight with Harpham and his view of things.

But that’s not the only report of violence. The Occupy Arcata Facebook page has this note:

As heard from an eye witness, Occupy Eureka was raided last night by police, and Hans was severely beaten, the camp has been dispersed.

Lost Coast Outpost: Occupy Eureka Has Been Raided

  1. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 7:43 am

    I hope no one was hurt. Please let us know how to help those who have been arrested.

  2. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Mitch you can help by throwing your computer away and getting a real job.

    And HH, what’s the matter? You upset that GN isn’t giving you all the inside scoop?

  3. November 7, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Shouldn’t you be out paying taxes or something, Anonymous?

  4. Yo
    November 7, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Glad they left. They were verbally abusive to me when I did business at the courthouse.

  5. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Almost as good as your 11:02 Triple Weasel, Anonymous, but not quite. Heraldo, let us know — whether you like it or not, you’re the local media now.

  6. November 7, 2011 at 7:59 am

    These comments remind me of the protest as the exact same types of personalities showed up

  7. High Finance
    November 7, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Was Linda Atkins arrested also ?

  8. November 7, 2011 at 8:02 am

    The nice thing is nobody is going to bomb me with any water balloons here.

  9. November 7, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Are you saying you got bombed by a water balloon at the courthouse?

  10. 69er
    November 7, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Hooray for EPD, glad they finally took back the tax payers property.

  11. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:12 am

    I noticed the EPD raided under cover of darkness, they spent their extra hour getting overtime for harassing innocents.

  12. mresquan
    November 7, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Wonderful,another lawsuit to drain taxpayers occurring under Tyson’s watch.

  13. November 7, 2011 at 8:15 am

    If anyone wants to start recalling city council members I will kick in enough money to file the first one. That will be $200 I am pledging. Let’s get the ball rolling. Who first? I suggest Marian Brady.

    have a peaceful day,

  14. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:22 am

    I suggest Linda Atkins.What a POS

  15. mresquan
    November 7, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Recall High Finance.I can’t believe I voted for some one with such dislike for free speech and protesting.

  16. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 8:26 am

    3:40 am, how thoughtful of them. Cops just doing their jobs…for the 1%.

    Now, will blogs that have covered the protest start to cover what we’ve have been trying to unify media attention toward instead?

    Will local blogs and papers start grilling local politicos and resident movers and shakers about THEIR activities regarding the change the people are demanding?

    Which members of local media are going to fall right back into business as usual, letting the 1% off with a polite nod, asking the people all the questions instead, letting the wealthiest provide all the headlines and tell the world what to think?

  17. November 7, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Are you sure that HIgh Finance is a local elected offical? I know some think so but he seems more like a paid blog whore to me.

    You notice he never wins a debate. That is because he isn’t paid to debate he is just paid merely to spread the Club for Growth Heritage Foundation bullshit every day.

    Fascists understand that if you simply repeat a lie over and over that there is a percentage of the population credulous enought to beilieve just about anything.

    have a peaceful day,

  18. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:28 am

    How do you recall someone who isn’t elected? Mresquan try thinking a little.

  19. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Hank Sims has deleted my comments and banned me from his “news” blog. So much for counter-points @ “LoCo”, they will not see my advertising.

  20. kim's dream
    November 7, 2011 at 8:36 am

    This is how it it had to play out, with murl on one side and verbana on the other. rank and file cops and protesters didn’t want this.

  21. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 8:41 am

    In today’s media, blogs are flying under the radar. As it should be, but big media uses them. For better or for worse, half the stuff on this and conservative blogs alike might as well be the complete fiction that the trolling comments are. Five ‘high finances’ can cover several blogs per day under different pseudonyms, intentionally ruffling feathers etc. All the blogs covered by the NCJ are frequented by resident trolls who want to do nothing but stir shit and maintain the image of a disjointed public.

  22. Who Cares
    November 7, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Has anyone heard that Kim Star is related to some fat cat attorney in DC?

  23. O. Range
    November 7, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Boycott the Blue Lake Casino. That’s what is propping up Sim’s stupid little blog.

  24. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 8:48 am


  25. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Boycott everything!

  26. O. Range
    November 7, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Matter of fact it is the Blue Lake Casino that is bankrolling that crappy little right wing tv station KIEM too. What a coincidence.

    Boycott the Blue Lake Casino.

  27. November 7, 2011 at 9:04 am

    sims is a fake news man, don’t waste your time reading his shit

  28. November 7, 2011 at 9:08 am

    There is no one-stop-all news source in Humboldt County. Get your news from multiple sources but don’t take any of it as gospel.

  29. November 7, 2011 at 9:10 am

    All those brave people that comment with fake names. Whatever you have to say is negated by that fact. Be polite enough to use your name.

  30. Who Cares
    November 7, 2011 at 9:15 am

    So much for my questions about Kim Star….H knows?

  31. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Did you know that a Loleta smoke shop is being sued by the state for contraband cigarettes? The Times-Standard is on it. At least as of 9:14 AM, no breaking news.


  32. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 9:18 am

    marc, anonymity is very important, honesty above that of course. Cheaters obviously play the game and get away with it. They won’t stop, it’s their job. Call out blog hosts for bullshit, it’s their “job”. See who can handle being interrogated about specifics. Hank can’t. Who else advertises that they’re where it’s at, but won’t put themselves under the light? How do they, being the local media representatives that are so important to a community, see themselves in the big picture? An easy paycheck for sitting at a computer all day surfing the net?

  33. Bolithio
    November 7, 2011 at 9:19 am

    All i have to say is: “Occupy Arcata”

    Ya man! Re-occupy the tyranny of Arcata!


    They’ve never done anything for us!!! We hate the Romans!

  34. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Marc just demonstrated how courageous he is by posting his opinion that people should use their real names. Pin a medal on him please.

  35. November 7, 2011 at 9:21 am

    It takes some courage to stand on a street corner or sidewalk and hold a sign. There are even a few tea partiers who I admire for doing this even though I don’t support much of their agenda.

    In the five years I have been here I have been to lots of actions and carried lots of signs myself. I know who the real activists are in this community and who the posers are. I know who shows up and who doesn’t.

    Verbena is a treasure to our community. She shows up.

    have a peaceful day,

  36. November 7, 2011 at 9:21 am

    So much for my questions about Kim Star….H knows?

    Nope. Never heard it.

  37. November 7, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Off topic but related: The Oakland Police are a disgrace.

  38. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 9:24 am

    “It takes some courage to stand on a street corner or sidewalk and hold a sign.”

    exactly. let’s see ANY of these bullshitters do something like that. They get NO credit unless they’re out there protesting the protesters. See how popular that makes them, see where the TRUE MAJORITY stands. These critics above are complacent drones blowing snot on their neighbors from a computer.

  39. November 7, 2011 at 9:25 am

    lol interesting to see that Hank Sims bans and blocks many, not just me

  40. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 9:29 am

    It’ll be interesting to see if this raid was constitutional.

  41. November 7, 2011 at 9:31 am

    My idea was “occupy the occupiers” counter protesters demanding civility in exercising the right to protest.

  42. November 7, 2011 at 9:34 am

    “KIEM News, which got into an epic battle with the Occupiers over the weekend” -Hank Sims

    Sims you are garbage, you call that epic, what a joke

    Learn how to do your job

  43. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Heraldo, my taxes are all paid up to date. Thanks for asking.

    HiFi, good question about Linda ! The next council meeting might be interesting.

    The police department just removed the illegal campers. They have done nothing to prevent anyone from exercising their right to free speech. They just can’t camp illegally.

  44. robash141
    November 7, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Yeah what a big let down. I support the goals of the OWS but my trips down to the Occupy Eureka were pretty dissappointing. I saw a bunch of people who appeared to have no repect for themselves,the surrounding communnity or the cause for which they were purportedly agitating. They had to know that Murl was looking to shut them down and they gave him a convienient excuse

  45. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I’ve spent time holding a sign at “Occupy Eureka” and my experiences have been positive. From the street side for every one middle finger there have been dozens of honks, raised fists and peace signs but that’s part of the problem. Most people think that jesture of support from their car is doing their civic duty. If one tenth of the “car supporters” had joined “Occupy Eureka” – even for just an hour or two – maybe the outcome would have been different.
    I was there yesterday and the vibe I observed was pleasant. There was music (not very loud) and drumming, people reading, talking, laughing and yes, one woman obviously mentally ill or high on something but there were people trying to work with her.
    Our system of government isn’t working for the vast majority of us and when we try to change that, the “law enforcement” tools of the wealthy are too glad to bend their knee to those in power.
    Kim Starr and Jack Nounnan are two of the finest people in Eureka – altruism comes to mind every time I think of them. The world would be a much better place if the rest of us had just a shred of their care for their fellow people.

  46. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 10:18 am

    It’s illogical to think KIEM would be fed advance notice by EPD.

    My impression is, cops usually either don’t want to be observed at all during an arrest procedure, or want full news coverage to cover their asses against unfounded allegations. Sorry to say it, but it sounds like KIEM was the only journalism outfit doing its job, unless one of the newspapers is going to report a first-hand account later today.

  47. Local Media Failed
    November 7, 2011 at 10:20 am

    “I saw a bunch of people who appeared to have no repect for themselves”

    sorry, gramps, wingtips went out a long time ago. Good ones cost too much anyway. We’re not all collecting a pension yet, like you.

    Here is what happened: a great thing. Real living breathing people from all corners of Humboldt joined a bigger event to form an even bigger group of UNIFIED PEOPLE across the country in protest of the obvious corruption that plagues our lives. Everybody says the corruption is there. The media says nobody agrees who’s to blame. The media says everybody’s to blame. The media is being used to divide the people. This event sets forth to prove that the media is lying, and that the people know full well where the corruption comes from, and the people would like the media to address what the people are physically joining together to address, instead of blaming the people for the problem, especially while they’re protesting it for crying out loud.

    Some of our local media representatives, who bless our senses with advertisements soliciting our cooperation with their enterprises, presented Humboldt’s own real life representatives of this statement as we can all see for ourselves in their own words. Hank Sims chastises the movement, regurgitating the police log ad hominem, for crying out loud. And makes personal asides to personally insult the integrity of the real life people holding ground for everybody, right here in Humboldt. People don’t miss the front lawn of the courthouse. Give it to them because the reason is valid. Let the longest Occupy happen here in Humboldt, with everywhere else that can maintain. All you critics still have plenty of places to sit around drinking expensive beer and talking shit about people who don’t dress like you…free wireless WOO! Where’s my laptop???

  48. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 10:25 am

    It appears as if it all went smoothly. Way to go EPD.

  49. robash141
    November 7, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I also met folks down there who had very cavalier attitudes about stealing about shitting on the sidewalk or throwing litter around. They seemed quite happy to live down to the right-wing stereotypeAs much as I support the larger goals of the OWS movement I’m not going to choose to spend my limited free time hanging out on a street corner with feckless thieving slobs

  50. Local Media Failed
    November 7, 2011 at 10:33 am

    ” I’m not going to choose to spend my limited free time hanging out on a street corner with feckless thieving slobs”

    Fact is we don’t see you anywhere, do we, “robash”?

  51. Dill
    November 7, 2011 at 10:42 am

    What goals of Occupy do you support, robash?

  52. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 10:47 am

    I’ll be in front of the courthouse from noon to one, standing in solidarity with those who were arrested. Stop by and say hi if you wish.

    I’ll be the bald middle aged guy with the Occupy sign. Just look for the guy who looks like he’d rather be absolutely anywhere but standing there.

  53. Eric Kirk
    November 7, 2011 at 11:00 am

    I’ve heard a rumor that the protest has been relocated to a nearby “parking lot.” Does anybody have any information?

  54. November 7, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Seems like people are seeing precisely what they want to see and nothing else.
    Common sense should tell people that a person dedicated to fighting for civil/human/financial rights; is not going to undermine his position by defecating in the street. I’m gonna go way out on a limb and say that it was a chronically homeless, mentally ill individual who thanks to our ‘third-world’ medical infrastructure, is out crapping in the street when they should be getting treatment. But it sure helps the detractors to imply that educated, dedicated people trying to bring issues of inequality to light; are insane perpetrators of shameless acts.
    I’ve been to many demonstrations since 1973 and it’s always the same ol’ story. The media finds the craziest nutjob fringe element it can, and uses that person’s insanity to paint the other 99.9% by pretending the nut-jobs are actually part of the leadership. They did it when we protested Viet Nam and Nixon; and they do it now.
    The corporate media is the real traitor to America. If the majority knew what was really being done in their name, and how much of their money the 1% was really stealing; it would be the shortest revolution in history.
    Yeah, Yeah; up is down, white is black and water runs uphill; if it supports the full-time ignorance of the corporate-collaborators.

  55. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 11:06 am


    There’s a county parking lot across from the courthouse, I think. That might be what you’ve heard about. Also, if you google “Occupy Eureka Facebook” you’ll find their facebook page has information about a march later in the afternoon.

  56. robash141
    November 7, 2011 at 11:14 am

    I support the goal of reigning in the parasitic overclass that are living incedibly lavish lives on our backs. I’m against the decimation of f public services so rich people and corporations can maintain their lavish tax shelters. I have lots of reasons why I support OWS on a philisophical level. Notice noe of that involves shitting on sidewalks. Because what I don’t support is disrespectful and unrespectable behavior on the part of demonstrators

  57. November 7, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Hi Rob,

    Well now that the undesirables have been removed you should be good with going down there and flying a sign?

    have a peaceful day,

  58. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Yeah, robash. Shitting on a sidewalk is so much more criminal than fraud, theft and greed at the expense of others.
    Where is the proof an occupier was involved in the bank incident. If you’ve never seen human excrement on our streets you don’t get out enough.

  59. Bolithio
    November 7, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Most people think that jesture of support from their car is doing their civic duty.

    I think that is unfair. I give a honk because I commend other for doing what I cant. Sorry; Im too busy trying to support my family to join in. I think allot fist pumps are coming from that mindset. If I get laid off, I would consider joining in between job hunting.

    Admittedly I would be more motivated if I was in a large city were I felt my occupy message was more relevant. Im glad some people took the time to remind others who are less in the know – but Im not really feeling the boot of oppression emanating from the eureka courthouse.

  60. November 7, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Robash141, shitting on sidewalks, are you saying
    you KNOW that OWS was involved?. Has anyone reviewed
    the bank’s security film? Could you tell us why you have
    seemingly already convicted OWS? Just wondering.

  61. November 7, 2011 at 11:33 am

    There is not one shred of evidence that the organizers of the protest have any connection whatsoever with the “Mad-Shitter-of-5th Street.”
    He/She existed long before the protest and He/She will exist long after the protest.
    This is such a ridiculous attempt to smear the group. It would be funny if it wasn’t so contemptible.

  62. Local Media Failed
    November 7, 2011 at 11:43 am

    well said moviedad, I completely agree. Equally disturbing is the smear campaign on blogs as well. They feed and feed from the headlines, delivering the usual battery of “They’re protesting wrong.” “They’re hurting their own cause.” “It’s an excuse for _____.” bla bla bla.

  63. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 11:45 am

    They should have cleaned up the mess, went home, took a shower, got a job and became productive members of society.

  64. retired guy
    November 7, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Unfortunately, a number of folks that purported to be OWS protesters, were not. They were just taking “advantage” of a situation and had other issues, or no issues, that are not related to the real problems that exist and are being protested.

    These folks should have been requested to leave by the OWS protesters and OWS protesters should have spoken to the media about this issue.

    I realize that OWS is a loosely organized protest, but there were definitely some individuals there that had no association with OWS and the issues that are the reason for the protest.

    Shitting on bank property is not an effective way to obtain needed change. Enough said.

  65. Poopgate
    November 7, 2011 at 11:47 am

    There’s lots of human feces to be found around Eureka, linking it to OWS is outrageous. Everybody knows that the Ingomar had to close its bathroom due to funding cuts and their members have been seen trotting around Old Town’s alleys, “since no one will notice, anyway”.

    Moving OWS to a parking lot is not a good idea. American’s view their vehicles as sacrosanct.

  66. Local Media Failed
    November 7, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Retired guy says: “They were just taking “advantage” of a situation and had other issues, or no issues, that are not related to the real problems that exist and are being protested. ”

    “They’re protesting wrong.” “They’re hurting their own cause.” “It’s just an excuse for _____.”

  67. Ken
    November 7, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    What I want to know is where was the permit, the port-a-potties, and the million dollar insurance policy required for events held in the city of Eureka?

  68. robash141
    November 7, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Yeah I don’t know for a fact that it was Occupiers that shit on the bank however I did meet several people at the protest who had a cavalier attitude it was either wishy-washy non denial denials or “who cares” type reponses about that particular incident Same goes for the stealing.. I realize that some people cloak themselves in a holy cause in order to cover up their anti_-social behavior and make it seem. Acceptable even rightgeous

  69. robash141
    November 7, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    I’m not interested in joining a political protest that lackss the capcity for self examination. If I was I’d just go join the Tea Party

  70. Fact Checker
    November 7, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    KIEM was just at Cooper’s Gulch Park interviewing folks about “what they thought about the OWS folks whom had relocated to Cooper’s”. Looks like EPD and KIEM are all over this.

  71. alley
    November 7, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    So much for my questions about Kim Star….H knows?

    She is a trustafarian, one of the 1%…

  72. Who Cares
    November 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    that’s what I thought..i was once liberal, then i grew up….

  73. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Kim S. may have some sort of monthly income, a trust fund or a relative that just pays her to stay away.! I’ve heard a rumor of that but a rumor is just a rumor.

    I do agree with Heraldo that you should get your news from several sources and not take any as “gospel”, check the facts on your own to confirm.

  74. alley
    November 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Well now “Who Cares,” I am over 60, was a liberal and am now a progressive. However, I do not like Kim Starr and her ilk who come in to our area to “organize.” They are very destructive to the process, as shown in Ms Starr’s outrageous behavior a few years back during the discussions of homelessness in Arcata. She alone practically shut down the entire discussion… and guess what, nothing has been done since then for the homeless. I totally support the OWS protests, but when people like Ms Starr step in, there is going to be trouble. Too bad for those of us who really are the 99%.

  75. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    You know, do listen to radio traffic. Ever think KIEM has at least one scanner?

  76. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    The Occupy group from Arcata announced on Facebook it plans to shut down 101 south. From 3pm to 5pm. Rush hour. Then have a rally at the courthouse at 5pm.

    What will happen when the CHP enforces the law to prevent 101 from being shut down? Will the protestors be nonviolent? Will they fight back?

    Whatever they do, they will be pissing off a lot of people who want to get home after their day’s work.

    How stupid.

  77. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    You got me, 2:17 — I actually took the time to look at Occupy Arcata’s Facebook page, but I couldn’t find anything about “shutting down 101 south.” Are you seeing something I’m not seeing on that Facebook page, or are you just, as they say “making shit up?”

  78. piss on it
    November 7, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Retired Guy 11:45, I think you’re right about the protesters without a cause. The Eureka OWS didn’t have a consensus about goals or behavior. Too bad no one took a real leadership role.

    In New York people seem better organized.

    I like the sign held by a little kid in Manhattan that said:

    “My momma ain’t on welfare but your bank is.”

  79. jr
    November 7, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I believe it is on the Occupy Humboldt page. They are planning on shutting down the south bound lanes.

  80. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    It is on the Eureka OWS. Highboltage even posted the same thing on his blog.

    Posted on NCJ

    Comment / By Lightnin’ / Today, 1:17 p.m.

    Have you seen the “interview” footage? The KIEM TV reporter WAS the provacateur. In my opinion, she was insuffiectly assaulted!

    Wow, you wonder why you don’t get the support of most of the 99%.

  81. November 7, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    If 999 regular people showed up and ONE naked person joined them, the headlines would read, “Naked Protester Runs rampant in Eureka”. Hmmmm. Might not be a bad idea at that.

  82. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Okay, I was able to find this in one of the comments on the Occupy Eureka Facebook page:


    So I apologize to anonymous 2:17, who obviously was not “making shit up” as I so rudely suggested might be the case. Whether there will be any actual attempt to “shut down the 101 south” remains to be seen.

  83. Paul Endishere
    November 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Doing an “Occupy” in Garberville I found out what the 1% stands for: that middle finger. What a salute and we’ve been getting it from the elites for eons.
    Q: What is the difference between civility and a lobotomy?

  84. Protester
    November 7, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Bullshit, 2:46. Spread the word! These shit talkers are literally just that! Don’t ignore what it’s all about, like they are!

  85. jr
    November 7, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    That is a surprising reaction for Garberville as it seems to be an extremely progressive community. But I guess that some folks would rather have a bottleinfrontofme than a frontal lobotomy.

  86. Ben
    November 7, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I don’t get how pissing off commuters will help your cause. I guess if you don’t have anything to say, then that is all you have left.

  87. High Finance
    November 7, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    “Cause” has nothing to do with these bums.

  88. Steak n Eggs
    November 7, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Yeah, shutting down the Highway is a great idea. Sure way to get all of the hard working middle class families on your side. The Humboldt County version of OWS are a bunch of immature idiots. I drove by the courthouse this AM on the way to work and the place looked like a homeless camp with a bunch of people screaming and yelling. Great way to communicate your message to the public. Groups like this are shooting themselves in the foot with their behavior and antics, but of course its always someone else’s fault like KIEM News, EPD Chief, The 1%, etc, etc.

    This was so predicatable.

  89. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    The more recent post from Occupy Eureka just says:

    March from Arcata to Eureka, rally at the courthouse at 5:00.

    Then someone named Justin Gallant posted this:

    Occupy Humboldt and Occupy Arcata are joining together in a solidarity march for Occupy Eureka TODAY. HSU will be marching from the campus at 2:45 to meet up with occupy arcata. We will attempt to March to Occupy Eureka.

    I think the deal is that if you try to march from Arcata to Eureka via 101, you tend to get arrested, even if you’re not actually blocking the roadway. I believe that a similar confrontation took place a year or two ago and there were several arrests. I don’t recall what became of those arrests farther down the line, but the point is that marchers were arrested and not allowed to continue to walk toward Eureka.

    I think the official law enforcement position is that you can’t walk along the railroad right of way, and you also can’t walk along the roadway. It’s ostensibly a “safety” thing.* It seems that if you want to legally walk between Arcata and Eureka, your options are either through Bayside, Indianola and Freshwater, or the other way around, through Manila and over Samoa bridge. Either way, scenic, but quite a hike. Not sure they’re really any safer, either.

    At any rate, if anyone “shuts down the southbound Hwy 101” (or maybe one lane of it) it will probably be CHP, in order to facilitate their arrest of any would-be marchers. I believe that’s the way it went down last time there was one of these attempts to march from Arcata to Eureka along the 101 corridor.

    * Interestingly, riding a bicycle on Hwy 101 is perfectly legal, even though the bicyclist, just a few feet from the rest of traffic is arguably at even greater safety risk from traffic than a pedestrian, over by the guardrail, on the other side of the guardrail when possible, and potentially facing traffic (which would mean marching/walking down the side of the northbound lane) would be. Go figure.

  90. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    You have to watch this.

  91. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    tra says:
    November 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    You got me, 2:17 — I actually took the time to look at Occupy Arcata’s Facebook page, but I couldn’t find anything about “shutting down 101 south.” Are you seeing something I’m not seeing on that Facebook page, or are you just, as they say “making shit up?”

    TRA, I generally have great respect for you, but now I am just pissed. No, I didn’t make it up. Maybe you are not clicking on the right filter at the top right of the Facebook Page. Or maybe they removed the post after someone wrested control of the Facebook page from whoever was trying to close “the 101 South.”

    I did not make anything up. Fuck you.

  92. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    After spending a couple of hours at the courthouse, here’s what I can say. It’s a very diverse group. I saw a few minutes of what they call their Assembly, and it seems to function well. I spent most of my time holding my own sign and just listening to what was going on around me. I overheard people who had apparently been arrested talking about how their tents had been taken and I heard one person talk about their bike being taken. I also heard one young man talk about his shoes having been taken, and he was barefoot. He or another young man spoke of having been woken up by being dragged feet first from his tent and being handcuffed. Nobody sounded angry at the police, at least that I could tell.

    I can definitely say that a LOT of the people driving by honk their support. There was a nice older man working as a security guard, and the relations between him and the protesters seemed fine. The group was very careful not to block the sidewalk. A couple of people walking by made very clear efforts to avoid eye contact, but mostly people were friendly.

    I didn’t know any of the people there, but I know of Jack Noonan (sp?) by reputation. He seems like a natural leader, as does Ayr. There was an older woman with close cropped hair who seemed to be acting as a communications channel between government and the group, and she also seemed very capable. I heard something laughable about KIEM, but I’m not sure I should reveal it here. Verbena walked up to me with a question I couldn’t answer, and she realized I was a newbie, and she said something about how cool it was that people just show up on their own.

    I also ran into “highboldtage,” and it was nice to meet a fellow blog commenter in the flesh.

    The sort of protest these folks are engaged in is not something I personally feel comfortable with. That’s not because I don’t respect them — very much the opposite, in fact. It’s more that I don’t feel confident in my own self-control when confronted with nastiness, and the last thing I want to do is trigger a confrontation. I am very glad that these folks are standing up for what’s right, and I wish them all the best.

    Oh yeah. When you stand on 5th at the courthouse with your eyes closed, it’s just amazing how loud the traffic is. I don’t know how we can all stand that.

  93. November 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    There’s a huge difference between civil disobedience and low-life petty criminality.. Apparently the occupy Eureka crew was not aware of this distinction..

  94. What Now
    November 7, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Poopgate says:
    November 7, 2011 at 11:47 am
    There’s lots of human feces to be found around Eureka, linking it to OWS is outrageous. Everybody knows that the Ingomar had to close its bathroom due to funding cuts and their members have been seen trotting around Old Town’s alleys, “since no one will notice, anyway”.

    Moving OWS to a parking lot is not a good idea. American’s view their vehicles as sacrosanct.
    Excellent post.

  95. tra
  96. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    TRA? Apology accepted.

  97. November 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I’m basing my conclusions on conversations I had with actual occupiers. The only one who impressed me favorably was Sara the nurse I tried striking up conversations with several people she was the only one who seemed to grasp the larger picture or even wanted to talk about politics . So I exempt her from my criticism because I think she was there for the right reasons.

  98. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    There will always be some wingnuts, slackers and other less-than-helpful people in any given protest, march, demonstration or whatever. As long as they are in the minority in the crowd, it shouldn’t be a big deal, and the group shouldn’t be judged by those few troubled individuals.

    If the ratio of less-helpful-people to more-helpful-people gets too far out of balance, this can certainly be a problem. Ideally, the solution would be to focus on bringing more helpful people into the equation, rather than focusing exclusively on trying to purge out all the less-than-helpful.

    I suppose there’s a point where if you’ve got a gathering that is too overpopulated with wingnuts, slackers and other less-than-helpful people, then it’s time to throw in the towel…or at least to start over from scratch.

  99. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    “Ideally, the solution would be to focus on bringing more helpful people into the equation”

    Exactly. There are few things more sad than hearing people complaining that there aren’t enough nice people like themselves taking part in an effort that they believe in.

    You don’t even need to go to the same location, fercryinoutloud. But instead of whining that the goals aren’t well elucidated, DO SOMETHING. If you can do it better, DO IT BETTER.

  100. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    There’s still time for folks nearby to go down to the courthouse this evening, see what it’s all about, and decide if they’d like to be part of it, in whatever way works for them. Or not.

  101. November 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I guess EPD/Harpham have decided that they are exempt from obeying the Constitution.

  102. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Anybody seen figures on how much money was moved out of the big banks on Saturday as part of the “Bank Transfer Day” protest? It’s Monday, I would think there should be some figures by now, at least the number of accounts closed, if not the amount of money that represents.

  103. November 7, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    The Occupy movement will have to learn how to deal with issues that arise like the mentally ill, and do it better than the current system. That is fair enough to ask for. So far I think they are doing pretty well at it.

    have a peaceful day,

  104. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm


    It’s probably early to expect hard figures but, as you know, September saw 650,000 new accounts at credit unions, compared with 600,000 for all of 2010.

    One thing that I think is pretty safe to say is that the Occupy movement provided the impetus for people actually moving their funds, instead of sighing and saying “it’s too hard,” which is what the banks count on. More reason to be grateful for the hard work of the people in Occupy movements around the country.

  105. November 7, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Don’t get me wrong I am all in favor of transferring funds out of TBTF banks.

    But we do have a problem, and it occurred under Bush and Obama. The big banks are getting almost unlimited funds at almost zero interest from the Federal Reserve. Though the banks will not like the loss of customers, under the current system they will not feel the loss of the money so much.

    The big banks have actually been more profitable under Obama than they were under Bush, if that can be believed.

    have a peaceful day,

  106. humboldt turtle
    November 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Occupying is not
    having an occupation
    it is saying “no”


  107. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Yup, despite all the squealing about our “socialist” president, somehow Wall Street, the big banks and the financial industry in general have been raking in the dough faster than ever:


    Meanwhile, they’re also getting more tax subsdies than any other “industry.”


  108. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    3:42’s video above is another one of those attempts to spin what the OWS movement is about. It isn’t anti-corporate per se, but anti-corporate political power which they abuse to gain ever more advantage. Not every corporation is buying political power. People who keep deliberately misrepresenting the issue aren’t trying to have an honest discussion. They’re ringers duping fools like 3:42 who betray their own self-interest in favor of their would-be slavemasters.

  109. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    from the OccupyHumboldt twitter feed:

    12 officers surrounding #OccupyEureka in riot gear. Word is we are not moving. #Solidarity @blogdiva @DustinSlaughter @OccupyWallSt
    8 minutes ago


  110. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    These people in the news are not part of the OWS movement and have damaged it. They are opportunists with nowhere to camp and very little to do. Please pay attention to the very real and important OWS movement and disregard the troublemakers and cling-ons.

  111. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Not to mention the Klingons.

  112. November 7, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    They still have the right to peaceably assemble. With no time limit. If some break the law, then they should be arrested, but that is not an excuse for what happened, which was simple thuggery.

  113. November 7, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Andrew Goff is at the courthouse tweeting tonight’s events. He says there are 70 protesters and growing while cops look on.

    You can follow this on Twitter even if you don’t have an account. Just go to Twitter.com and search “Occupy Eureka.”

  114. Load Me Another
    November 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    That would be 70 plus dangerous “protestors,” Heraldo. What’s the over/under $$ for the cost to scrape those fools off the courthouse lawn not to mention preventing a reinfestation?? That violent angry mob down there right now Is The (bowel) Movement, let’s not be swayed otherwise. They want a confrontation and are about to get an EPD style seal clubbing. Great family atmoshere too.

  115. Goldie
    November 7, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Andrew Goff
    @AndrewEliGoff Andrew Goff
    “Poo poo! Pee pee! That’s what you get on Channel 3!” #chantwatch #occupyeureka
    57 minutes ago via txt

  116. November 7, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    That would be 70 plus dangerous “protestors,” Heraldo.

    Sorry your life is ruled by fear.

  117. Bee My Guest
    November 7, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Half the crowd down there tonight are lawyers just waiting for some low hanging Tyson pears or Harpham apples to drop into their hands.

  118. November 7, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    NCJ just posted a photo on Facebook of Eureka’s finest, in riot gear, in position to protect and defend….US Bank. This would be funny if it wasn’t so disgusting.

  119. Load Me Another
    November 7, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Get real Heraldo, it looked like the beginning of “Gladiator” down there- “…don’t they know when they’ve been defeated…???” Such a great line and very true in this case.

  120. Yo
    November 7, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Court ruling has already said free speech and protesting can me limited. Curfews and limits on public space are legal.

  121. Cornell Wilde
    November 7, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Free speech can only be limited in a dictatorship. Both occupy and tea party agree on that.

  122. November 7, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    it looked like the beginning of “Gladiator” down there

    You’re wearing some strange goggles.

  123. November 7, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    The Constitution guarantees the right of peaceable assembly. Period. Merl Harpham does not get to decide that time is up.

  124. Yo
    November 7, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Wrong. There are many examples of speech that are limited. Harassment. Threats. Most famous is shouting fire in a movie theater when there is no fire.

  125. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    What about the Supreme Court opinion that said free speech rights protected protests of dead service members, and libeling them by claiming that God wished them dead because of pro-Homosexual beliefs. If that kind of absolutely disgusting and revolting speech is protected then tell me why these Occupy protests are not also allowed.

  126. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Load Me Another says:
    November 7, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “That violent angry mob down there…”

    Don’t wet your pants just yet…it looks like there was no violence, no mob, just a peaceable assembly. And the cops just left. Perhaps you’ll have better luck with your fearmongering next time arround.

  127. November 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Load Me Another says:
    November 7, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    “Get real Heraldo, it looked like the beginning of “Gladiator” down there- “…don’t they know when they’ve been defeated…???” Such a great line and very true in this case.”

    If I understand you, you are starting a confilct with an adversary about which you know nothing, and you expect to fight one battle and claim victory?

    Tsk. Tsk. Sun Tzu would flunk you.

    have a peaceful day,

  128. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Yo says:
    November 7, 2011 at 8:03 pm
    Wrong. There are many examples of speech that are limited. Harassment. Threats. Most famous is shouting fire in a movie theater when there is no fire.

    And this isn’t any of those things. So what’s your point?

  129. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    The protest speech isn’t being elimated. Just limited on camping issue. There is limits on everything. Nasty speech is ok. Limits are also put on use of even public property. There is public property with no trespassing signs on it for various reasons.

  130. November 7, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    That is a public square, an area specifically and traditionally set aside for the full and free exercise of speech.

    have a peaceful day,

  131. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 9:10 pm


    The cops aren’t directly challenging the right of protesters to be there in front of the courthouse and to exercise their free speech rights there. However, the cops are prohibiting the protesters from setting up any kind of shelter — and they’re including “sitting under a blanket” as a prohibited act that supposedly amounts to illegal camping because sitting with a blanket over you involves being “under cover.”

  132. November 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Will they arrest a baby who is under a blanket?

    have a peaceful day,

  133. tra
    November 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Only if said minor transforms itself into an incorrigible little juvenile delinquent through the anti-social act of falling asleep in public.

  134. Ray Shipley
    November 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Depends on if it poops or pees while on public property.

  135. Anonymous
    November 8, 2011 at 12:29 am

    The hatred against Occupy activists which is now being displayed on the Facebook page of News Channel 3 is astonishing. One particularly obsessed commenter is a hypocrite who praises the name of Jesus while disregarding His teaching – “As you do it to the least of these, you do it unto me.” The least of these, in this case, being the homeless.

  136. You are busted
    November 8, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Hey anonymous/high finance/load me another Anyone with any experience on these type opf forums knows that you are all ONE PERSON. The avater ( the little picture in the right hand cornor for the computer illiterate) is tied to the actual poster.

    Changeing the name you post under isn’t going to fool anyone into thinking that there are a bunch of people on this forum that agree with you.

    So if you’ve got that much time and are spending the effort to lamely attempt to try and fool people into thinking you are multiple people that means you are up to no good.

    The question is do you work for a PR/ “News substitute” company, or are you just one of the fish who thinks they are big because you are swimming in a small pond?

  137. November 8, 2011 at 8:53 am

    To clarify, it’s your email address that generates the avatar. Change the address and the avatar changes. Leave no address and you get the common green monster head most seen here.

  138. retired guy
    November 8, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Move your money out of the “big banks” into a local bank or credit union. A number of people have done so and this simple action means more than most anything else. Money talks and you are doing something good for the local area at the same time.

  139. Anonymous
    November 8, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Hey, I’m Anonymous 12:29 am and saying I am HiFry is ludicuss.

  140. Nerbo Watkins
    November 9, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    The news channel 3 Facebook page is run by what’s her name that made the false complaint to the EPD. I;m surprised anything supportive of the Occupy people makes it on.

    I think she’s got some severe problems to deal with, All from within.

  141. Mitch
    November 10, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Here’s how nonviolent protest was handled by law enforcement at UC Berkeley. An Iraq and Afghan war vet, Kayvan Sabehgi, is still hospitalized with a ruptured spleen from five or six days ago. He was, he says, trying to get home. How is it conceivable that a nonviolent person might end up with a ruptured spleen? Watch and learn:

  142. been there
    November 10, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Thanks for the vid, mitch. What a bunch of hero’s cops like that are, eh? Proud to serve and protect…the status quo. “Just following orders.”

  143. Mitch
    November 10, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    If we had a free press, that video would lead the nightly news everywhere in America. We don’t, period, end of sentence. Sure, the MSM can say whatever they want. Not the same thing, by a long shot. Thank heavens for the internet.

    There are many wonderful law enforcement officers. There are also bad apples, there are incompetents, and there are generally good officers who lose their cool under nonviolent stress.

    The meme that law enforcement only goes to violence when confronted with violence thrived because people did not have access to “personal video equipment.” With videos like this, its days ought to be numbered. Too bad the MSM will not give this the same attention it gives to Perry not being able to count to three. As if that’s a surprise to anyone who’s paying attention.

    Those kids are incredible, far better than I am. Unless I’d been on tranquilizers, there is simply no way I could have been on that line and not either run away or tried to punch the lights out of one of those cops.

  144. Mitch
    November 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Oh yeah. I forgot. Who pooped and peed on the bank.


  145. Comandante Nought
    November 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Nov-10-2011 00:21
    ‘Occupy Eureka California’ Activists Arrested; Police Integrity Questioned
    Tim King Salem-News.com

    14 members of ‘Occupy Eureka’ arrested – police not necessarily honest…


    Police in Eureka, California are working for Wall Street. File photo

    (EUREKA, Calif.) – Early Monday at approximately 3:00 a.m,, police raided and destroyed the ‘Occupy’ encampment in Eureka, “like thieves in the night,” as activist Jack Nounnan said, “jailing 14 people on charges of resisting arrest.” Nounnan says some occupiers were pulled out of their sleeping bags and immediately handcuffed, and that allegations of resisting arrest are patently false.

    One, according to Nounnan, was accosted by police, others simply were complying with orders yet still arrested. Police then confiscated most of encampment equipment and fenced off grass areas, designating it as a “crime zone”.

    As the news editor for Salem-News.com a military veteran and an American of 48 years, I find the actions of the police in Eureka unconscionable, and if Nounnan’s point about those being arrested for resisting arrest is true, then they are dirty cops without honor or integrity. Of course this is the far north of California and they apparently didn’t pay attention to what happened in Oakland recently, where police shot a Marine Corps Iraq War Veteran in the head, causing critical, and likely permanent damage.

    These are the types of violations that bring the populace to a boiling point.

    We live in a corrupt country guilty of squandering resources, pillaging our extremely fragile environment, and committing war crimes by the hundred.

    U.S. bombs killed up to a million and a half innocent Iraqi citizens, all on bogus information provided by Bush and Cheney and cemented into place by New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Now we’re embroiled in a federal gun running scandal, and those with half a brain know that it is the CIA itself under Regan and successive presidents, that brought the drug scourge to the streets of America in the first place, to fund their blood war in Nicaragua.

    This is the government that these law enforcement officials ultimately take direction from. Federal laws supersede California law and yet the federal law is what the cops are being used to enforce when raiding medical marijuana dispensaries and also, when aiding the financial swine on Wall Street. And it is important to note that the Occupy movements are pot-free, not that the people aren’t ‘cool’; they just understand that fighting for their rights as Americans means setting an example. You don’t hear about pot and drug charges at these events, instead it is always about police attacking American people, it is not the other way around.

    Police who enforce any bad law or immoral, un-American practice, are acting on orders from political agents of the corporate powers, and they are not doing so without their own awareness, and they are wrong.

    They should refuse to disrupt Occupy Wall Street protests and I’m sure it won’t be long before the first group of officers does exactly that.

    Think about it, especially if activists can get police unions to sign on, they could influence officers to pressure others to not have anything to do with the fascist behavior they are being ordered to carry out.

    That’s right, fascist. People with the movement need to continue and build and take up more ground, gain more support, draw the disenfranchised and the homeless and if and when members of the movement step out of line, or when agent provocateurs pull their dirty tricks, know that is who and what they are and attribute the blame where it belongs.

    Nounnan says people and groups from all over the country and beyond are responding in showing their support, and it’s important to remember that Eureka and Humboldt County are a counterculture haven and have been for decades; more good vibes and excellent marijuana than most places. People here are willing to take a stand, they did it during the Vietnam War.

    Nounnan says those not arrested Monday morning regrouped and again began to protest, eventually being joined by many of those receiving word and arriving to help restore this non violent presence.

    “The crowd mounted and then reoccupied the courthouse lawn with police arriving again to warn that if anyone was caught sleeping in tents, they would be arrested, which again occurred around 11:00 p.m.”

    Most refused to leave and chose to sleep without tents. Tuesday morning at 7:15, the newest “Occupy Eureka” Banner was again up. Jack Nounnan says it didn’t take long before police began arriving, threatening to confiscate any signs or banners not being held by individual people. Protestors refused to believe this order from police was covered under any city ordinances, so they chose to ignore the police presence.

    I would like to know how many crimes took place in the city of Eureka while their police force was used as henchmen to quell a non-violent demonstration of sleeping people. I also wonder how many tax dollars were used to create a situation that will likely only lead to lawsuits and perhaps, the city of Eureka writing big checks to account for the allegedly illegal actions of their officers, we will see. Other questions come to mind; were there burglaries? Were people driving plastered and not getting caught because police were not on the streets?

    I personally think it is all tragically funny, and I know the police are embarrassed and those who are not should be. It won’t be long before criminals start timing out big stuff while the police are working for Wall Street, violating the rights of free speech and trampling on the notion of freedom of assembly.

    Nope, Eureka is a little like Egypt, a little like Algeria, a little like Gaza, and on and on. Thug cops are the same, it doesn’t matter what city or country they work for, they are just no good. They are sold out over the line of reason and operating as mindless soldiers rather than citizens of the communities they hassle. As in the case of Oakland, they shoot innocent, unarmed protestors, they are proving that there is no reason to do anything but counter and resist through whatever path a person chooses. This is what our American founding fathers would have said.

    Jack Nounnan said, “We need your presence and greater support now to maintain not only this right to protest in repudiating the privilege of wealth in dominating the lives of the majority of us Americans, but our terribly diminishing abilities to survive.”

    He says “Occupy Eureka” has also become the focus of this country’s “deeply ingrained prejudice, harassment and outright use of force against those terribly deprived, out of work, people losing their homes, the homelessness, handicapped and mentally ill… with government determination to even eliminate the right to sleep and have shelter of a tent.”

    Well Jack, let me tell you we are paying attention, we understand the frustration and the hopelessness that the police so obviously hope will flourish. Truthfully I believe that thanks to the efforts of yourself and others, that the people will win and those working for the 1% will realize this before long. They have forgotten about Kent State and Jackson State and so many other moments that utterly define the abuse of authority. How they aren’t able to take the lesson and apply it is beyond me.

    The Website for the city of Eureka does not reference the problems at ‘Occupy Eureka’ and my quest to learn about city council and their leader, Mayor Frank Jager, led to one and two line ‘bios’ that explain absolutely nothing about the elected officials.

    The city police department’s Website last listed a press release on 30 August of this year. A month had passed before the previous press release. This may explain perhaps how and why their police have so much extra time to arrest Americans assembled to express their rights.

    I suggest that if any U.S. city is going to trample on demonstrators, they should have some sort of an up to date presence online; this is 2011, it makes a place look bad.

    Jack’s group, Communities For Justice and Peace, Humboldt.Co. Ca., included the following information for those interested in supporting Occupy Eureka.

    Occupy Eureka continues to need your help:

    Tents, tables
    Food and water,
    coffee, early and late
    Large tarps
    Blankets and sleeping bags
    Warm clothing,
    Long johns
    Your presence… and helping us with night and day monitoring.

    This is a very special struggle in which all of us find ourselves involved . . . . calling upon our greatest effort to raise American consciousness to where our overall national and international efforts are absolutely obvious to this government and it corporate partners.

    It’s merely this first stage of what’s needed to make the changes we must have, a chance of a lifetime!

  146. November 10, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    “Billy Dalton staggered on the sidewalk
    Someone said he stumbled and he fell,
    Six squad cars came screaming to the rescue
    And hauled ol’ Billy Dalton off to jail.
    Because the law is for protection of the people
    Rules are rules and any fool can see,
    We don’t need no drunks like Billy Dalton
    Scaring decent folks like you ‘n me…
    No Sireee

    Lee Honeycut was nothin’ but a hippy
    Walking through this world without a care,
    Then one day six strappin’ brave policemen
    Held down Homer Lee and cut his hair,
    Because the law is for protection of the people
    Rules are rules and any fool can see,
    We don’t need no hairy headed hippies
    Scarin’ decent folks like you ‘n me
    No Sireee

    So thank your lucky stars you got protection
    Walk the line and never mind the cost
    Don’t wonder who them lawmen was protectin’
    When they nailed the saviour to the cross.
    Because the law is for protection of the people
    Rules are rules and any fool can see,
    We don’t need riddle speakin’ prophets
    Scarin’ decent folks like you ‘n me
    No Sireee

    K Kristofferson

  147. Rick
    November 11, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Mitch, tra, Plain Jane,
    I appreciate your comments and I wanted to give you a response seeing as you took the time to reply.

    I did indeed go down to the courthouse a few days ago. I did not talk to anyone, but merely observed. Here are the things I witnessed that bothered me…

    I saw protesters yelling and blocking traffic. They were occasionally blocking the left most lane and also kept marching around the block through the crosswalks holding up traffic. I saw one protester with a dog and the poor dog was totally freaked out at all the noise. It was shivering and had its tail tucked between its legs, but the owner, nor any other protester, was paying any attention to it. In general I found the protesters, loud, fairly obnoxious and sometimes rude to passerbys.

    The basic attitude of the protesters is what bothers me. OK, you are pissed off at Wall Street and the richest 1%. Well, pretty much nobody in Eureka falls into that category, so how about some more civility.

    The bad attitude and lack of self policing is also obvious to me in how the protesters handled two widely publicized events. The first was the theft of a creamer carafe from Starbucks. First off, I find it hilariously ironic that a protester would go to Starbucks of all places seeking a donation. Then when the thief takes the creamer back to the courthouse camp, do the other protesters object? No, they use the creamer. The carafe was sitting on the table being used by all. Why didn’t you all reprimand the thief and tell him to return the item, and if he refused, call the police and report him?

    The poop incidence is also telling.
    Yes the reporter was obnoxious, but why wasn’t anyone saying that they found the act disgraceful and that they condemn anyone doing that. Instead they laughed it off, concealed knowledge of the event and changed the subject.

    I am sorry, but I have not been swayed.
    I think the majority of us that work for a living and aren’t on the government dole, see the local protesters as a bunch of slackers, looking for some handouts with nothing better to do. If you want to change that image, you better do a little introspection.

  148. Plain Jane
    November 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    You don’t have to support the protesters to support the cause, 12:23. Yes, protests can cause inconveniences and not every one who protests is someone we’d like to emulate, but we can appreciate the effort people contribute even if we don’t necessarily approve of the means. What are you doing to promote the cause of revoking corporate control of our political system and restoring a functional balance to income distribution?

  149. Anonymous
    November 11, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    when was the last time anyone was swayed? For me it was 1968.

  150. Plain Jane
    November 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I am swayed all the time, mostly about nonpolitical issues; but even about candidates as I learn more about them, pro and con. If you don’t make up your mind without checking on the facts, why would you be swayed by people’s opinions based on what you know to be falsehoods from your own research?

  151. Anonymous
    November 11, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    what facts have changed regarding corporate power and politics since mowing down students at Kent State Jane?

  152. Walt
    November 11, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”

    -A. Lincoln

    Sometimes those dismembering and overthrowing can be rude. They still want cream in their coffee, though.

  153. Plain Jane
    November 11, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    It’s only gotten worse, 1:10, much, much worse.

  154. Anonymous
    November 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I’m with Rick. The protesters don’t get why there are there and to them this is just another day looking for something to do. It ruins the message, which is important.

  155. sick of it
    November 11, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    If anywhere should be a homeless camp, it’s the courthouse or the city hall or the chamber of commerce or the grounds of a similar institution. More of everybody’s money flies through those buildings than anywhere else. On a daily basis, more lives are turned upside down with the simple push of a penalty button or signature in those buildings than anywhere else. When it comes to sheer numbers, those buildings affect everybody in the community. Those are not playgrounds or parks, they’re where local representatives of the big picture do business.

    More power to the people, can’t keep kicking dirt on the bottom rungs of the ladder forever. By the very nature of their existence, the homeless are the loudest and most legitimate voices of protest, they speak the experience of what “we” consider a substandard life.

    There, but for the grace of Dog, go us all.

    If homeless people are joining the protest, I welcome their presence at MY community’s courthouse to represent the 99% for as long as necessary, and i have a feeling it’s going to be a long time.

  156. sick of it
    November 11, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    “The protesters don’t get why there are there and to them this is just another day looking for something to do.”

    No. It’s a day spent in honest protest of the same crap being dumped on you by people who get paid handsomely to walk in and out of those buildings on a daily basis. Protesters and the homeless alike are friendly reminders of the real consequences of those employees’ decisions. And I do mean friendly, because there are more and more people violently protesting their decisions as well.

  157. Ben
    November 11, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Give me a specific example, Sick of It, of how one of those County employees decisions that had your claimed consequences.

  158. Ben
    November 11, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    I keep reading slogans and general statements, and would like some specific example, not just a general complaint with no substance.

  159. November 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Occupy Los Angeles Bank Transfer Day March, November 5, 2011

  160. November 11, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Occupy UCLA marches to Westwood & Wilshire and shuts down the intersection.

  161. November 11, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Occupy Minneapolis comes to the aid of a woman whose house was foreclosed on by U.S. Bank

  162. sick of it
    November 12, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Ben, you are a mature, full-grown adult? There’s more than enough information on the internet through which you’re reading this very post to fuel your fancy, and you know that. Millions of people all over the country don’t come together this quickly to protest nothing. People have, in fact, been protesting the same thing for decades. You know all this as well.

    What you are, sir, is a malcontent whose mind is already made up, and will not change. You are a grown adult, yes? There is even plenty of back discussion on this blog loaded with information that might help your insincere quest. You’re not helping anything or anybody trolling a redundant question, and you know that as well.

    Acquaint yourself with the search functions of this and various other informative websites and have a nice day reading all about it!

  163. November 12, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Lots of Jews in 30’s Germany held on the hope that things wouldn’t get worse. If they just kept their heads down and went to work and paid their taxes the new Corporate/Fascist government would leave them alone. While many Jews protested and appealed to the conscience of the people. They were the first groups to be arrested.
    What is happening here is not so different. We have a joining of the Corporations with the government. The Corporate rulers are of the aristocracy, and now the government is full of these same elites.
    We are sliding very quickly into a similarly fascist system. In just a few years I’ve seen the attitude of those providing basic government services turn to authoritarianism. I couldn’t believe the DMV, so disrespectful to the elderly, not to mention the poor. Look at the posture of the police. Ready to do violence without any provocation of threat. The municipal judges in their ivory towers, so separated from the struggling masses, hand down sentences for drug addiction that is way beyond cruel and unusual. Check out “Lockup” or any one of the “Reality Shows” based on prisons. Did you see the one on “Pendelton”? Supposedly a youth Detention center? If we would have had film like this at Nuremberg, we would have hung the guards and wardens.
    It’s the collaboration of middle-class citizens which make these horrors possible. The aristocracy has always seen the lower classes as vermin, so there’s nothing new in their actions. But a functioning middle-class represents a real and actual freedom of the individual. Why do the rich want to destroy it? So they can once again be the masters of all they survey. Stop ascribing high morals, and patriotism to those dedicated to hurting us. And by us, I mean the whole country.

  164. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Well said, Moviedad!

  165. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Of course, the Nazi’s used the underclass in the SA (brown shirts) as well, convincing them it was a socialist movement, and then murdered their leadership and absorbed them into the German army when their usefulness as thugs was finished.

  166. Anonymous
    November 12, 2011 at 9:19 am

    You two are overly dramatic. There are always a few bad apples in the police depts, but overall I believe them to upstanding citizens. The DMV is nicer than it’s ever been. You have to be paranoid to believe this BS, and you have to be unrealistic as well.

  167. Not so, 9:19
    November 12, 2011 at 10:03 am

    9:19, a drag-sleeping-people-out-of-their-tents raid at 3 o’clock in the morning, and a multi-media PR smear campaign based on completely unsubstantiated rumors of vandalism…rudely forced into those same people’s attention using one of the most aggressive and unprofessional acts of journalism I’ve ever witnessed…proves otherwise.

    Very literally, the dramatic actions everybody can see with their own two eyes are being conducted by “our” media and police. Otherwise, we see our neighbors among others protesting on the grounds of the courthouse for legitimate reasons that the police and media are being paid to physically and rhetorically subvert.

  168. November 12, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    FDR’s Economic Bill of Rights January 11, 1944

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