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Occupy Eureka City Hall

The public comment period at Tuesday’s Eureka City Council meeting was mostly a smart and civil string of remarks in support of the goals of the global Occupy movement by activists, labor organizers and a local US Marine. They noted energy, economic and financial policies that enrich the 1% while leaving the 99% and the environment in shambles.

To bring it down to the local level some spoke against the job-killing mega-monstrosity known as Wal-Mart. One noted that city officials know which “mystery tenant” is moving into the Bayshore Mall but won’t release it to the public.

WalMart takes money away from the local economy to feed its mammoth influence as a “corporate person.” Instead of offering real job solutions WalMart will set Eureka on a race toward the bottom, forcing workers to rely on a diminishing public safety net to pad their low wages.

Eureka residents voted in 1999 to keep WalMart off the Balloon Track and thus, out of Eureka.

  1. Load Me Another
    November 15, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Not very long ago a Home Depot went into a small Vermont town. The residents banded together in a very civil manner and focused on the local building supplier (apparently the only local supplier). Within a short time Home Depot pulled the plug and left, apparently the only time that has happened with them. Very interesting. Anyone know any more about this?

  2. November 15, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    I WANT MY $1000.00!!!

    During the KMUD interview about the occupy eureka raid, Chief Harpham said that if anyone had proof that any of the officers used batons on protesters he would pull $1000.00 out of his pocket, because he was that sure it didn’t happen. The problem is that the video I shot, the video that aired on KIEM last night, clearly shows a Humboldt county sheriffs deputy using a baton on a protester several times, while the Chief was standing directly over the suspect. You can see him clearly in the still photos.

    To me the issue is, he basically said i was lying to the entire community on the air. As a martial arts instructor, journalist, and politician I hold myself to an ethical standard that is above reproach.

    I do not lie.


    I want parents to ALLOW me the privilege of teaching their kids honor, discipline, respect, and HONESTY. How can I expect a parent to trust me when a local police chief is calling me a liar? To me that is unacceptable.

    Also, didn’t Eureka just loose 4.5 million for not giving medical attention to a suspect? Well listen to the claim, if the person was hit 6 times in the legs, he needed to see a doctor. The suspect could have died from a pulmonary embolism, the same thing you can get from sitting for to long on a plane. Basically a blood clot goes to your heart or lung and you die.

    KIEM News story

    raw footage

    KMUD audio archive
    Listen to 11/14/2011 6pm

    Still photos

  3. Load Me Another
    November 15, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    A further thought on the H. Depot withdrawl from Vermont is that all the locals supported the local merchant’s pursuit of the American Dream. And, in pursuit of that dream, what is the income threshold that merchant would have to hit before he earns too much? Many local business people earn significantly more than the rest of us, so at what point have they earned enough and should be frowned upon if they exceed that amount? At what point $$ does the individual pursuit become Greed at the expense of everyone else? At what point should someone cease from pursuing the American Dream $$?? Just curious.

  4. Cup Cake
    November 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm


    Go down to the city attorney’s and file a claim for $1,000 against the city. Tell them you have a contract with Chief of Police Murl Harpham and you want them to pay up. The contract is not written but it is recorded. The city council brain trust will meet in closed session and deny your claim. Then you can sue the bastards. Good luck. If you lose you will be among the few.

  5. November 15, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    My favorite part of the meeting was when someone called the Tea Party Fart out on his bullshit story about occupiers ripping the courthouse flag down on Veterans Day.
    It’s a rare opportunity to see right wing hate speech debunked in person.

  6. Sylvia
    November 15, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    I watched the KIEM news clip at this site and would like to know where there is a person being hit w/ a billy club? Perhaps I’m not seeing it because the pic is so small.

  7. November 15, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    I did have something to say about that flag thing. Other government buildings were closed that day and had no flag flying. The one next to where I work was my example.
    I was not at the meeting so, it is good to see that come to light.

    So if I get this right, no one has backed up that story about protesters taking the flag down on Veterans Day? Just made that crap up?

  8. November 15, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Sylvia, the video needs to be as big as you can get. I saw it with a co worker at two different sizes and we both agreed on the larger size that you could see the officer strike sombody. Mark says he has gone through it frame by frame on his big screen and it is as he says it is. Anyone else with a big screen that can check this out for us?

  9. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 5:27 am

    Who was the speaker wearing the Guy Fawkes mask?

  10. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 5:41 am

    Please! Help me out on this. If the issue is corporate greed and the 1% ers why protest at the city hall ? Why not protest in front of Costco? Or a Chevron gas station? Or Walgrens Drug store? These are some of the big corporation symbols around Eureka. Or maybe even at Mike Thompson’s office?

    Why pick on the county court house? Could one of the freedom fighters explain this to me?

  11. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 6:39 am

    It’s not just about corporate greed but about how they corrupt government, 5:41. We can’t legislate away greed, but we can make it more expensive by raising taxes on the greediest and revoking their ability to buy politicians with huge (and anonymous) campaign contributions. Whether the protests are held at corporate offices, courthouses, city halls or in parks doesn’t matter so long as it is visible enough to get the message out. Our court house just happens to be in one of the most visible sites in the county. It’s difficult to get the message out because the corporate media owners are some of the greediest corporatists in the world with their fingers in everything from health care to military contracting and they’ve been working diligently to confuse the message, even going so far as to claim there is no coherent message. They failed in countering the message (70% approval of OWS) so mayors across the country consulted and decided the best way to handle this was violent suppression of protest under cover of darkness to prevent documentation of their violence on protesters. This, of course, is fueling a backlash because they also abused and arrested journalists who identified themselves as such to no avail.

  12. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 6:43 am

    Oh, and another reason for using the court house is it is public property and corporate property is, of course, privately owned.

  13. some101
    November 16, 2011 at 6:58 am

    My partner tells me he saw 4 protesters in front of the Rio Dell City Hall yesterday Nov 15 at about 2:30 pm. One had a sign with the word Occupy on it.

  14. November 16, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Here’s a letter from the Humboldt Tea Party Patriots I received yesterday trying to whip up hate in the Tea Party faithful towards the occupiers


    As most of you know, there has been an ongoing demonstration at the
    Humboldt County Court House by a group calling itself “Occupy
    Humboldt”. They have been breaking county and city ordinances in
    regards to unlawful camping, urinating on building walls and
    defecating at the entrances of businesses. They have been removed by
    police from the court house lawn, only to return, tearing down
    temporary fences erected by the County to protect the grounds and are
    illegally camping again as of this writing. They have also tried to
    wrest the microphone from a member of the news media while being asked
    questions. On the 11th of November, Veteran’s Day, they hauled down
    the American flag flying at the Court House. There have also been
    death threats to some members of the news media.

    So far, the Humboldt County and Eureka City governments have done very
    little to uphold local ordinances. They took an oath to uphold the
    California State and U.S. Government Constitutions. To do nothing only
    shows a weakness on the part of the governing body which emboldens the
    law breaker.

    I invite you to join us at the Humboldt County Supervisor’s meeting at
    the County Court House on November 15th to participate in the public
    comment period at 1:30 P.M. and the public comment period which is
    held shortly after the start of the Eureka City Council meeting
    beginning at 6 P.M. at Eureka City Hall located at 6th and K Streets.
    Even if you do not want to verbalize, your presence would be
    appreciated. If you can’t make the afternoon meeting because of work
    commitments, you have another chance in the evening.

    This is your County and City. We cannot allow lawlessness to rule. See
    you on the 15th!! Encourage your Veteran friends and members of other
    patriotic organizations to also participate. Insist on protecting our
    rights as law abiding and tax paying citizens.

    Fred Nelson, HTPP Chair

    As a retired Government Employee Mr. Nelson should know that Government buildings don’t fly the flag on days they are closed.. He just saw an opportunity to smear them . It made me happy to see this liar get called out

  15. Fattboy
    November 16, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Humboldt Tea Party Patriots are a very small fringe group of maybe 10 active memebers.

    They are so far out on the fringe that they make even most Republicans a little skeetchy.

  16. Decline To State
    November 16, 2011 at 7:31 am

    I sat next to a young man at yesterday’s Board of Supervisors public comment section that was present at the EPD’s roundup of the 30+ Organize protestors. He claimed he had his nose broken and suffered a concussion at the hands of EPD. He looked pretty well beat up and I believed him. The speakers mentioned several other acts of unprovoked acts of violence by law enforcement.

  17. November 16, 2011 at 8:14 am

    7:31 Broke his nose? Eureka seems to be caught-up in the idea that cannot afford a well-trained police force.

    Truth is Eureka cannot afford the legal costs of poorly trained police.

    I do not mean to jump the gun here but.. if past experience is a clue:
    Another settlement? Is Eureka missing Garr yet?

  18. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Soooo…..Do you think Wal-Mart will open in time for Black Friday? WHAT!?!? HUH!?!? Oh sorry, I couldn’t hear your response over the sound of falling prices! lol

  19. November 16, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Murl, sounds as though you owe Mark one thousand dollars.

    Robash, that is powerful Tea Party transparency, thanks.

  20. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 8:41 am

    How is it that those “ladies in black” that protest at the court house every Friday night for weeks, or months, years, never get rousted or arrested by the cops? Oh, could it be that they don’t break the law, protest in a civil responsible manner?

    Now they can’t protest because these junior wannabe anarchists are hogging the courthouse lawn.

  21. peaceful protester
    November 16, 2011 at 8:50 am

    “junior wannabe anarchists”

    I’ll take them over the army of junior totalitarian dictators we got hustling for the corporate government now.

  22. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 8:52 am

    to 8:19, no, the building isn’t ready yet at the mall. But you can be happy that the only independent bookstore in Crescent City has closed . The owner says Wallmart is selling new books for under wholesale. That’s cheaper than she can buy them.

  23. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 9:04 am

    my sister is a tea partyer. She denies global warming, thinks there were WMDs, hates regulations, unions, and loves Glen Beck. Next week at thanksgiving dinner will be a hoot!

  24. robash141
    November 16, 2011 at 9:32 am

    There’s a special place of disdain in my heart for retired government employees who get involved with right wing movementss like the Tea Party. If this dude is serious about cutting government

  25. robash141
    November 16, 2011 at 9:36 am

    (Cont) and fighting socialism he should put his money where his mouth is and mail those socialistic pension checks. Back to the government unopened.

  26. anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 9:38 am

    The Crescent City bookstore has been purchased from the current owner and will open in mid January specializing in books from small presses, universities, and regional cultural and natural history titles from what I have heard.

  27. November 16, 2011 at 10:14 am

    “The Bonus Army was the original Occupy Movement.”

  28. November 16, 2011 at 10:35 am

    It has been reported to me that at least one of the illegally incarcerated patriots is being denied his antidepressant medication by the jail and the jail nurse. It is well known that going cold turkey off of SSRIs can cause extreme withdrawal events as these drugs are highly addictive. To force someone to cold turkey is medical malpractice and I promise you if this is true we will get justice.

    have a peaceful day,

  29. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 11:00 am

    I saw in the news today that 70% of Occupiers have jobs but only 56% of Tea Partiers do.

  30. TJ
    November 16, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I don’t know where the 70% and 56% figures came from or how they were arrived at, but could it be that many of the Tea Party are retirees and therefore not working???? We need more info. on that.

  31. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 11:14 am

    I believe Rose Welsh is one of those fringe Tea Baggers

    Check out one of her latest blog posts:

    “Rumors, facts, allegations and associations: Why won’t the agenda-driven media report on Barack Obama being gay, sexually harassing male actor Kal Penn, and frequenting Chicago bathhouses”


  32. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 11:25 am


  33. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 11:27 am

    We already told Wal Mart to get out more than 10 years ago. And they did.

  34. tra
    November 16, 2011 at 11:27 am


    I hope that report of the jail withholding SSRI’s prescribed to treat depression is not accurate. That would, indeed, be a very serious matter.

    If you have the name of the individual whose SSRI anti-depressant medication is allegedly being withheld, please post it here, so that some of us can contact the Sheriff to express our concerns (who is the elected official in charge of the jail).

    Also, if you know the name of the physician who made the prescription and whether they are a local physician, that information would also be very helpful, because that physician should be informed of the situation immediately.

    It seems to me that upon being informed that a patient of theirs who was being treated for depression is now in jail and their anti-depressant medication is being withheld, any physician who is true to their Hippocratic Oath would be on the phone to the Sheriff’s office within minutes, and if necessary would go directly to the jail and/or Sheriff’s office to insist that the patient be given the appropriate medication immediately.

    If the medication has been withheld for a significant amount of time, then the patient should also be monitored and evaluated by medical staff for an appropriate period of time to make sure that the lapse in treatment doesn’t end up producing any dangerous effects, including, heaven forbid, any attempts at self-harm or suicide.

  35. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Murl can thank America’s heroic “Occupiers” for his GI Bill and his union. He can thank like-minded Constitution-haters that he’s still employed.

    Patriots call it protest.
    Traitors call it camping.

  36. November 16, 2011 at 11:31 am

    EXPOSING the system is what OCCUPY is accomplishing…..the EPD is seriously compromised by the good ol boy club and needs a total overhaul. Murl Harpham has his head in the proverbial sand or is a split personality because he KNOWS what is going on with EPD officers and protects them. I wonder if he will welch on his bet.

  37. November 16, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I agree with Kathy. I’d shy from the term welch.

  38. November 16, 2011 at 11:39 am

    TRA you are giving rational advice under normal circumstances. However I was a personal friend of Martin Cotton who was left to die alone in a cell without medical attention in that very institution. The sheriff refused to release even the video. Since the video was released during the recently concluded trial now we know why. It shows a young man dying a slow hideous and painful death without any medical care at all. This seems to be SOP at the Humboldt Lockup.

    Therefore I will not give this person’s name at this time. It would place him in an even more dangerous position. We are getting a good lawyer for him and Murl and Tyson and Humboldt county will pay for this outrage, if it is true.

    have a peaceful day,

  39. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 11:41 am

    this just in…… Eureka police chief running gambling scenario in the media…

  40. tra
    November 16, 2011 at 12:02 pm


    I hear you, but I just hope the process of getting him a lawyer and the lawyer and/or his doctor taking action to make sure he’s safe doesn’t take too much time. Jail is a dangerous place for someone suffering from major depression, and even more so for such a person when their medication has been abruptly withheld.

    And yes, if the medication has been withheld then those responsible should be held to account (though I doubt that would include Tyson or Harpham since they don’t have any control over medication being given or withheld in the county jail), but at the present moment it seems like the most important priority is trying to ensure that the guy gets the help he needs now.

  41. November 16, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I still want my freakin’ 1000 bucks…

  42. November 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I am applying heat to the situation maybe someone will get a clue. I would much rather see my county’s funds go towards roads and infrastructure and real services than to pay out lawsuits.

    have a peaceful day,

  43. November 16, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Tyson and Harpham are responsible for the unconstitutional police raid last monday morning. Thus they will be responsible for any illegalities during the incarceration as well, along with HumCo.

    have a peaceful day,

  44. November 16, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Harpham claimed he would pay 1000 out of his own pocket if someone could prove batons were used. Not only were they used but he was right there on top of the action. How could he have missed it from 3 feet away?

    I want my freaking 1000 bucks.

  45. November 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Now I am going to have to go all paperboy….

  46. November 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm

  47. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Can you put a series of stills on one sheet and distribute them, Mark? Murl can’t keep denying the abuse if everyone has seen the evidence.

  48. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Mark Sailors would be doing this community a favor by taking the police chief to small claims court.

    I’ll help you fill the courtroom.

  49. Mark Sailors
    November 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Working on getting access to decent video editing devices soni can post the stills. Anyone know how to get access to the public access tv station?

  50. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 2:07 pm
  51. Harris
    November 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I’m with you, Mark. I hope you follow through. Frankly I think you’re a pompous ass and half your political ideals are garbage, but that’s beside what we both know matters regarding incidents like this.

    RRiot cops raiding a peaceful protest at 3 o’clock in the morning is bad enough, to have the city’s chief of police blatantly lie about their activities. What kind of macho dirty hairy does he think he is?

    Think of what the guy who got clubbed thought when he heard the chief say that.

    Offer half the money to the guy who got clubbed if he comes forward about it. Stick to it, more will rally for you!

  52. November 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Fred Nelson and his Tee Partiers have gone around the deep end. Fred is a retired Postmaster and collects a healthy pension for his service, and rightly so. Why he now thinks no one else should be allowed to do so is beyond me. He has swallowed the corporate personhood bit hook, line, and sinker. Too bad, Fred. You used to have a pretty good head on you. Maybe working for your Post Office all those years took the starch out of you. Very sad.

  53. November 16, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Well I’ll say this about Fred he looks astonishingly good and energetic for a man well over 80 years old. It must be all those socialistic government subsidized health benefits he has been receiving for longer than most of us have been alive..If Fred Nelson can reap the benefits of collective bargaining in his declining years , how come his organization is virulently against me joining any kind of a union?

  54. November 16, 2011 at 3:50 pm



    Police State Tactics: Signs Point to a Coordinated National Program to Try and Unoccupy Wall Street and Other Cities

    By Dave Lindorff

    The ugly hand of the federal government is becoming increasingly suspected behind what appears to be a nationwide attempt to repress and evict the Occupation Movement.

    Across the country in recent days, ultimatums have been issues to groups occupying Portland, OR, Chicago, IL, San Francisco, Dallas, TX, Atlanta, GA, and most recently New York, NY, where the Occupation Movement began on September 17. The two most recent eviction efforts, in Oakland and New York, have been the worst.

    The police attacks have had a lot in common. They have been “justified” based upon trumped up pre-textural claims that the occupiers are creating a health hazard, or a fire hazard, or a crime problem, generally on little or no evidence, or there has been a digging up of obscure and constitutionally questionable statutes, for example laws outlawing the homeless. Then the police come in, usually in dead of night, dressed in riot gear and heavily armed with mace weapons, batons, plastic cuffs and tear gas, or even assault rifles in some cases and so-called flash-bang stun grenades–all weapons to be used against peaceful demonstrators.
    So violent has been the response that some returned veterans have condemned the police for using weapons and tactics that are not even permitted by occupying troops in war-torn countries.

    “We definitely feel, especially in a movement like this that has arisen so quickly in a number of cities, that there will be a coordinated national effort to try and shut it down,” says Heidi Bogosian, executive director of the National Lawyers Guild, which has been playing a key role providing legal services to the new movement.
    “We see the scapegoating of these movements, the attacks at night, and in general tactics designed to terrorize and to scare protesters away. I can’t see this as anything other than centrally coordinated.”

    One indication of that coordination may have been a conference call among 18 city mayors which was confirmed by Oakland Mayor Jean Quan in a radio interview on San Francisco station KALW. Dan Siegel, an Oakland attorney who worked as an advisor to Quan, but who resigned in disgust after Oakland police and law enforcement personnel from a number of surrounding jurisdictions brutally drove occupiers there out of their park using tear gas, supposedly non-lethal ammunition (bean bags and rubber bullets) and flash-bang grenades in a night-time raid in the early hours of November 14, says that phone conference call took place, significantly, while Quan was in Washington, DC…

    For the rest of this article by DAVE LINDORFF in please go to: http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/900
    Dave Lindorff is a founding member of the collectively-owned, journalist-run online

  55. Harris
    November 16, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Add to the state’s suppressive tactics an unrlenting battery of anonymous smear in blog comments. Oh that I could score one of those jobs for a good cause, getting paid big confidentiality bucks to hit up as many blogs as I could all day and talk shit.

  56. November 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    If the whole thing was coordinated with the feds that would certainly explain a lot . It make sense of why anyone in authority at last nights meeting looked deathly allergic to the idea of assuming responsibility for ordering the camp to be torn down.

  57. November 16, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    I watched the Eureka City Council meeting last night and this is the Times-Standards take on it:

    “At a Eureka City Council meeting Tuesday that featured speakers from the Occupy Eureka camp and a presentation from Chief Probation Officer Bill Damiano.”

    And that is all that is mentioned about Occupy or the Occupy supporters who came and spoke. No mention of the Tea Party Patriot and his lies getting called out. I am not one of Thad’s biggest critics, but maybe he just had to follow orders this time.

    Maybe I was watching a different feed?

    have a peaceful day,

  58. November 16, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    If they put Heraldo’s mask pic on the front page they might sell even better than the green pot leaves. Oop that would frighten all the old blue haired republicans.

    have a peaceful day,

  59. Average Joe
    November 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Is the Occupy Movement all that different from the Tea Partiers? Both are fringe groups with more than their share of loonies, and the 80% of us in the middle view both groups with equal parts amusement and disdain. I’m tired of having to look at your tent city on OUR public property. Clean up your act and maybe people will start listening to you. Your message has been diluted by scuzzy people who obviously choose to live a transient lifestyle, and see the movement as an excuse to camp out for a cause. I don’t want our precious few tax dollars being spent on cleaning up after you OR incarcerating you. If you really want to change the status quo, try winning the general public over through acts of public service…right now you only add to the blight in our town. And for GOD’S SAKE…spend some of this time, energy, and effort in organizing ahead of the next election, or you’re going to get your asses handed to you on both a local and national level and then you can spend the next 6 months doing a post-mortem and wondering how the average voter can be so stupid. Instead you’re wasting time and people’s patience with non-issues like ‘Poopgate’, KIEM reporting, withheld meds, Murl’s bet, Tea Party bad, etc. Wise up people, you’re not going to change anything by marginalizing yourselves from the silent majority who drives by daily and only sees an unfocused and disorganized human circus protesting everything, contributing nothing, and lacking concrete alternatives or ideas.

    Now go ahead and rip me for being a ‘sell out’, or a ‘plant’ being paid to anonymously patrol the blogs denouncing you and your movement. At least the NeoCons don’t have a monopoly when it comes to over-the-top conspiracy theorists.

  60. High Finance
    November 16, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Sorry Joe, thinking is not allowed here.

  61. November 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Anon 5:36 /Average Joe;
    You’re just giving us the standard “you dirty stinky Hippies, who cares what you think ” rant . Seems like you ripped it straight from the O”Reilly Factor.

  62. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    “Old blue haired republicans”. I think those old conservatives are extremely likable and probably did things the right way, the green way, and actually more in tune with what today’s moderate would agree with. I know lots of them, and they are careful with their money, respect other people’s, and don’t waste things the way we do today.

  63. November 16, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Point taken, apologies to the old blue haired republicans. The old school ones. I got carried away with my rhetoric.

    have a peaceful day,

  64. wurking stiff
    November 16, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    and hi-as-f!@#*n’-fi is proof of that statement every time he/she posts on here.

  65. Average Joe
    November 16, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Robash, a request and an observation:

    1) Please don’t ascribe words/terms that I didn’t use to me, that’s why you have the ability to do your own posts and use your own words. FYI I’m a registred Democrat and Faux News, Hannity, O’Reilly, and Beck and people of that ilk all make my skin crawl.Try not to make assumptions and that will serve you well in life. I’m a pragmatic Liberal, which on this blog seems sadly to be an oxymoron.

    2) Interesting that you’re so sensitive to the “dirty stinking hippies” cliche that you try to introduce it yourself, yet the “old blue haired Republicans” cliche is A-ok with you. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

  66. anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Average Joe has ascribed many untrue terms to the protesters. The anonymous poster who goes by the psuedonym Average Joe is the typical “dirty hippy” ranting hater we’ve all come to know so well.

  67. Mitch
    November 16, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Once again, the best coverage of the United States comes from the UK newspaper The Guardian. This animation is an example of how economic statistics can and should be presented. It deserves an award.


  68. Intuit
    November 16, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Average Joe you have already outed yourself as a right wing troll. Only some one old and dumb and right wing would dust off that old canard the “Silent Majority.” Which Republican crook made that phrase famous, Nixon or Agnew? This is a test.

    Now step the fuck off moron.

  69. Average Joe
    November 16, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Intuit…what a way with words. So much for open-mindedness and tolerance of differing viewpoints, thanks again for helping me prove my point. Dropping the f bomb and name calling always just SCREAMS ‘articulate discourse’.

    Is your handle an homage to the tax software company? Thanks for the chuckle.

  70. Load Me Another
    November 16, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Kids, we seem to be lacking manners once again. Here’s a quick glossary of how it works here:

    Troll- you don’t agree with me.
    Right Wing- you don’t agree with me.
    Bigot- you don’t agree with me
    Racist- you don’t agree with me
    Hater- you don’t agree with me
    Etc. etc

    The problem is that Joe blow is correct- the public has to buy what you’re selling…it’s all in the marketing. Let’s face it, the marketing and presentation of Occupy could stand some improvement. Thing is, this group has the potential to accomplish something positive, but they’re like a bad football team that constantly turns the ball over. Instead they’re viewed as malcontents who clash with police and the message is totally lost. Strong and accountable leadership would bring the movement a little credibility and cohesion.

  71. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Load you another what? Smoke another and have a nice night, dumbass.

    Dumbass- You are a dumbass..

  72. Load Me Another
    November 16, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    7:20- you must be the leadership of the local movement. I understand you have a big day ahead of you tomorrow so rest up. Thank you for your addition to my glossary and showing the rest of us how to properly disagree.

  73. Already Loaded
    November 16, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    I close my eyes and I can see it:

    A long happy conga line of happy civil rights attorneys snaking its way northward up the 101 all the way from Los Angeles to Humble County all the way up there in the far north. The siren call of The Land of the Low Hanging Fruit and the egotistical, narcissistic city officials.

    Oh. And fog.

  74. November 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    You know he’s a right wing troll because he’s got that perfect mix of whiny and condescending.

  75. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    “Clean up your act you scuzzy loonies and stop insulting people who disagree with you so we can have articulate discussions!”

  76. Intuit
    November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I think I was very articulate. Apparently you understood me, and that is vital to honest communication. Agreed?

  77. Sylvia
    November 16, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    OK Joe, you’re “tired of having to look at your tent city on OUR public property” and you refer to “scuzzy people who obviously choose to live a transient lifestyle” and you are a “registered Democrat”. What that tells me is that you’re not a “plant” or any of the other things suggested. Nope, you’re just a plain old boring middling person who doesn’t get that bragging about being a registered Demo does not give you any kind of status with 99%-ers. Progressives/99%-ers may be registered Demos by default, but it will be by default at best and -lord knows-nothing to hand out as something that gives you bone fides and they sure as hell don’t refer to homeless people as “scuzzy people who” etc. or imply that those “scuzzy people” are not entitled to use “OUR” public property. And for craps sake “acts of public service”…. ? Reallllly?
    As for “Instead you’re wasting time and people’s patience with non-issues like ‘Poopgate’, KIEM reporting, withheld meds, Murl’s bet, Tea Party bad, etc.” you just don’t get it, av joe. Those ARE THE ISSUES, the owning and abuse of media by money interests, the Tea Party as a bunch of sad, bought and paid for people who don’t even know that their every move is paid for and thunk up by the Koch Bros and Murl who doesn’t even know that his thoughts and actions are not HIS thoughts and actions. He’s not the brightest star in the sky but then neither are you av joe. So take your righteous tone and shove it and don’t come back till you understand what’s going on.
    Not every 99%-er has a total analysis but they are willing to stand there because whatever else they know they sure as hell know that there’s something very wrong and an argument can be made that people who are without homes may just know better than most everyone that things are way off kilter in this world.

  78. Convertible
    November 16, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    I’m with Joe

  79. Convertible
    November 16, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Breathe, Sylvia, breathe…. And use a period now and then.

  80. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    You must need new glasses, Convertible. Sylvia’s sentences are probably more complex and longer than you’re used to reading, but all the periods are in their proper place and it was well “articulated” with fair criticism and no insults.

  81. Plain Jane
    November 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    We Are The Many

  82. Anonymous
    November 16, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Why isn’t the Arcata police breaking up the camp at City Hall. Isn’t it the same thing?

  83. Average Joe
    November 17, 2011 at 5:15 am

    I expected to be attacked for not falling into lock step with the majority of posters on this blog, and apparently with good reason. All I was trying to convey was that the Occupy Movement in general and Eureka in particular needs to improve its image and practices because so far it’s failed to engage or attract the 80% in the middle. I never said I was against your goals, Hell, I agree with some of them but right now Occupy is a borderline freak show that’s too easily dismissed.

    Sorry Sylvia, that list I made might be the issues for YOU and to the group of regulars that frequent this site, but I’m just saying, those most definitely are NOT the issues to the vast majority of people driving by every day….the people that the Occupy movement needs to win over if it’s going to gain any traction. Until you all stop with this ‘you’re either with us or your against us’ mentality, and telling people ‘don’t come back until you know what’s going on’, the Occupy movement is destined to become a triva answer in the not so distant future. Perhaps as you say I’m ‘not the brightest star in the sky’ Sylvia, but I’m right on this, mark my words. But go on and feel good about yourselves and your cause and your methods and continue to slam me and anyone else who dares to even question to Occupy movement and its methods, effectiveness and viability…we’ll see if that’s a winning strategy.

  84. Walt
    November 17, 2011 at 6:23 am

    I agree with AG: ANYONE with two eyes can see OWS needs a total media makeover. Whoever is handling their PR is clearly incompetent. . .look at all those dirty people using dirty words! Shame! Nobody wants to see poor and downtrodden: it’s so yesterday!You wanna WIN this fight (and remember winning isn’t everything, it’s the ONLY thing), you need SERIOUS PR firepower. I’d recommend Starcom MediaVest, the #1 media specialist worldwide with billings of $31.1bn in 2010. Now THAT’s a “winning strategy,” right, AG?

  85. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 6:42 am

    Maybe we can hire Gingrich! If he’d work for Freddie Mac, who everyone KNOWS he just HATED, he’d work for us too.

    Joe is the worst sort of troll. He came in smearing so he could get all self righteous about how closed minded we are for insulting him. He’s a gnat on the windshield, no need to even wash him off.

  86. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 6:49 am

    And Joe needs to check the polls which show the Occupy Wall Street movement has around 70% support and the Tea Party in the low 20%. The people don’t need to be “won over” when they are already there. Not everyone is as superficial as Joe who needs a PR campaign with slick grifters selling what anyone with a brain has already bought.

  87. Sylvia
    November 17, 2011 at 9:08 am

    av joe- I tried to tell you in my last post that you just DON”T GET IT and here you go again. You say, “continue to slam me and anyone else who dares to even question to Occupy movement and its methods…”, but you don’t get that you aren’t being “slammed” simply for questioning. An articulate, thoughtful critique that demonstrates an understanding of the driving forces that motivate the occupy movement is one thing but what you have to say is anything but that. You really should read what I wrote earlier very slowly and carefully before you decide to post again.

  88. Sylvia
    November 17, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I hope everyone has seen the T-S today. The EPD has targeted Linda Atkins. This gets uglier every day.

  89. November 17, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I hope everyone notices how carefully written the letter is. It is from the “board of directors” of the EPOE which is who exactly? It would be interesting to see a full vote of the membership of the EPOE on this as I doubt the rank and file of the Eureka police department is dumb enough to attack the only person on the city council that supports worker’s rights.

    have a peacerfl day,

  90. peaceful protester
    November 17, 2011 at 9:29 am

    “I agree with AG: ANYONE with two eyes can see OWS needs a total media makeover. Whoever is handling their PR is clearly incompetent.”

    That would BE the media themselves. There’s plenty of intelligent PEOPLE, like on this very blog, giving it great PR. You, like these other yawning critics who feel comfortable with their slice of the status quo, admit to being spoonfed your idea of what’s going on by electronic screens.

    You criticize few and ignore most. It’s a good and peaceful protest, the establishment doesn’t want them to make waves and will continue to try to stop it at all costs including internet psychology through roaming trolls. Look at the effectiveness of them above.

  91. peaceful protester
    November 17, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Don’t respond to average joe, he wants to rile you up and feed your vocabulary. Dilutes intelligent dialog, makes people angry at eachother.

    Keep it right! Idiots like him are still on our side whether they think so or not. As far as they’ll go in life, is right where they already are.

  92. November 17, 2011 at 10:10 am

    this line is a real laugher:

    “However, it was the intent of the EPOA Board to firmly but respectfully address this issue with city officials internally rather than before the public eye,” Watson wrote, declining to comment further on the matter”

    That was after the letter was released to the entire city council and of course the media mouthpieces. Ha Ha Ha how stupid do you think we are?

    have a peaceful day,

  93. High Finance
    November 17, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Once again PJ plays fast & loose with the facts. She claims at 6.49am this morning (does she ever sleep?) that the Occupoopers have 70% support and the Tea Party have 20% ?

    NBC/Wall Street Journal poll of Nov 2nd- 5th

    “Tea Party movement has been a good thing or bad thing”
    Good 31% Bad 27%
    “Occupy Wall Street movement has been a good thing or bad thing”
    Good 25% Bad 16%

    Do you consider yourself a supporter of;
    Tea Party 25% yes
    OWS 29% yes


  94. November 17, 2011 at 10:28 am

    OK folks, I want to clear something up:
    I am an INDEPENDENT journalist.
    I am a stringer for multiple newspapers and contribute to every local news outlet that I can.
    I do not SPECIFICALLY work for the Arcata Eye, nor the Times Standard, nor KIEM.

    If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

    In journalism, a stringer is a type of freelance journalist or photographer who contributes reports or photos to a news organization on an ongoing basis but is paid individually for each piece of published or broadcast work.

    As freelancers, stringers do not receive a regular salary and the amount and type of work is typically voluntary. However, stringers often have an ongoing relationship with one or more news organizations, to which they provide content on particular topics or locations when the opportunities arise.

    The term is typically confined to news industry jargon, and in print or in broadcast terms, stringers are sometimes referred to as correspondents or contributors. At other times, they may not receive any public recognition for the work they have contributed.

    A reporter or photographer can “string” for a news organization in a number of different capacities and with varying degrees of regularity, so that the relationship between the organization and the stringer is typically very loose. When it is difficult for a staff reporter or photographer to reach a location quickly for breaking news stories, larger news organizations often rely on local stringers to provide rapid scene descriptions, quotations or photos. In this capacity, stringers are used heavily by most television news organizations and some print publications for video footage, photos, and interviews.


    The etymology of the word is uncertain. Newspapers once paid stringers per inch of printed text they generated, and one theory says the length of this text was measured against a string. The theory given in the Oxford English Dictionary is that a stringer is a person who strings words together, while others use the term because the reporter is “strung along” by a news organization, or kept in a constant state of uncertainty. Another possibility is that the journalist is seen as a “second stringer” where as the staff positions are more of the “first string.”

    Again I want to stress this point:

    I do not speak for nor do I intend to speak for The Arcata Eye,The Times Standard, nor KIEM.

    I do not speak for the editors of any of these organization either.
    Any impression I gave to the contrary was unintentional and a mistake.

    I am paid by the piece, I am under NO CONTRACTUAL arraignment with anyone in regards to photography, or journalism , except my blog MarkSailorsArcataNow,and retain any and all rights to my written words, my photographs and videos.

    Thank you.
    Mark Sailors

  95. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Your constant use of frightwing radio tactics on blogs is never going to work, HiFi. OWS is not about camping or even about protesting. It’s about accomplishing goals of revoking corporate control of our government and reversing gross income inequality. Getting the conversation started was the hard part. Shutting down the protests won’t remove the knowledge that this conversation spread across the country. Even the GOP has been moved, haven’t you noticed?

  96. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 10:48 am

    The pollster’s analysis:

    “I don’t think the bad poll numbers for Occupy Wall Street reflect Americans being unconcerned with wealth inequality. Polling we did in some key swing states earlier this year found overwhelming support for raising taxes on people who make over $150,000 a year. In late September we found that 73% of voters supported the ‘Buffett rule’ with only 16% opposed. And in October we found that Senators resistant to raising taxes on those who make more than a million dollars a year could pay a price at the polls. I don’t think any of that has changed- what the downturn in Occupy Wall Street’s image suggests is that voters are seeing the movement as more about the ‘Occupy’ than the ‘Wall Street.’ The controversy over the protests is starting to drown out the actual message.”

  97. Anonymous
    November 17, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Plain Jane said: “…check the polls which show the Occupy Wall Street movement has around 70% support…The people don’t need to be “won over” when they are already there.

    In the most recent PPP poll, the public approval numbers don’t look nearly that rosy for Occupy Wall Street, nor do they look nearly that gloomy for the Tea Party:

    The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

    Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.


    At the same time, support for many of the OWS movement’s overall goals (like addressing income inequality) and policy prescriptions (like taxing capital gains at the same rate as income) has been quite strong:

    73% of voters supported the ‘Buffett rule’ with only 16% opposed.

  98. tra
    November 17, 2011 at 11:19 am

    That was me at 11:17.

  99. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 11:29 am

    I believe that support for the goals is more important than support for the protests at this point. The goal of the protests was to bring attention to the fact that wealth inequality is a growing and dangerous problem and is aided and abetted by corruption of our government by the rich and powerful to further increase their wealth and power. It has succeeded wonderfully. Now the challenge is to focus the attention of the convinced on the corrupt politicians blocking needed reform without being corrupted by them, as happened to the Tea Party.

  100. Anonymous
    November 17, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Mark Sailors actually gets paid for his drivel?!

    Oh my, the world is really in a mess.

  101. tra
    November 17, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Plain Jane said: “OWS is not about camping, or even about protesting.”

    Here’s the thing: In many cities, OWS protesters are insisting that their right to maintain an encampment IS central to the movement. Certainly in Eureka, that’s become the flashpoint, and Eureka is certainly not alone in this regard.

    Leaving aside the question of whether putting up tents and occupying a public space as an act of protest counts as a Constitutionally protected form of peaceable assembly and political speech (and therefore trumps local anti-camping ordinances), there’s another question to be asked: Whether focusing efforts on that particular battle is likely to help expand public support for the movement’s overall goals or whether it is likely to erode support for those goals.

    For the first month or so of OWS movement, it seems quite clear that the encampments brought a lot of public attention to issues like income inequality and tax fairness. So I’m not saying that the encampment tactic did not work — clearly it did. But I think the question folks need to ask themselves is whether that tactic is continuing to propel the movement forward or not. If/when the anwer becomes “not really” then perhaps it’s time to look to different tactics to try to keep the forward momentum going.

  102. Anonymous
    November 17, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    YOU ALL UNDERSTAND, don’t you, that THE EPOA is the Eureka Police Officers Association (the UNION that the police officers belong to) – and it is NOT the EPD (The Eureka Police Department.)

  103. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I would agree with the “not really.” I think most of the protesting campers at this point have nowhere to go and are more concerned with that than they are the greater goals of the movement, not that they don’t have a valid cause. I think OWS should declare victory in the first phase and move on to getting good candidates elected. The opposition was dogged and had some success in turning the focus to problems endemic to protests, but they didn’t change any minds about the goals. That’s what is vitally important.

  104. Sylvia
    November 17, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    While I agree with Plain Jane saying we should be trying to get some good candidates elected that goal puts us up against what is one of the biggest issues out there and that is the corporate rule of the US political process. Virtually every politico out there is bought and paid for by big money and the exceptions are few and far between. We have one of the few running locally for Congress: Norman Solomon. Essentially until the power of the few is addressed we will continue to be screwed. Corporate $$ needs to be gone from politics, we need publicly funded elections. Obama has spoken of raising over $2 bill for the 2012 election. That’s obscene. I would like to see a movement started nationwide to get people to refuse to vote for the candidates that are “selected” for us to vote for and instead do write-ins. Not just any old write ins but ones chosen from a carefully vetted, short list of proven un-owned, independent people.
    I have suggested this to AdBusters (who started the whole Occupy idea) and some other orgs and hope others will follow suit on this idea.
    Thanks Plain Jane for posting the video We Are The Many, I hope everyone takes the time to listen to it.

  105. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Corporate campaign contributions are being viewed in a negative light by more people. It isn’t the amount they raise that matters but the source and what is given in return and that goes for both parties, the Feinsteins and the Coburns.

  106. Sylvia
    November 17, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Another high priority issue that must be addressed is the education of the American public. I believe that people like Murl H. believe that they are right in their thinking, I don’t believe that they are knowingly evil or cynical bastards. Everything that most people learn in school, in the media, etc is calculated to create a certain set of attitudes. American history is not taught in our schools. The reality that we have a consistent history of rapacious imperialism, that we have killed millions starting with the original Americans is simply not acknowledged. Instead we are told/taught that we are the best country, a democracy (NOT), we only fight wars to help other peoples and to preserve our freedom (the freedom that others resent and are jealous of) and that anyone who says anything critical about any American policy or action is a traitor. So- march in step, do not be different, buy more and hate all those who do not march in step, etc.
    So- how the hell can the power of the media that day in and day out is twisting the minds of the public be countered? How does one educate the drones that march in step with the dictates of the Koch Bros and Karl Rove % Co.? How do you reach the average joes who think they are open minded and liberal thinkers but don’t know squat?

  107. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Average Joes can’t be reached with protests and logic, Sylvia. They have to feel the negative results of their political decisions up close and personal, and they will. Most of the majority who now understands the dangers of vast wealth and political power to our economy didn’t “get it” from glitzy campaign ads but from their own experience. Fox will have to work hard to overcome that “bias.”

  108. I just threw up in my mouth
    November 17, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Sylvia 2:35 pm

    I agree with Sylvia.

    Virtually every politico out there is bought and paid for by big money and the exceptions are few and far between.

    Corporate $$ needs to be gone from politics.

    Let’s see, who was the political whore who took a $10,000 check from anyone and everyone in her losing 2010 re-election?

    Oh yeah, Bonnie what’s-her- name.

    And let me guess Sylvia. You probably voted for her (like most of the Heraldoites).

    If you’re gonna talk the talk, you best walk the walk.

  109. November 17, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Anonymous says:
    November 17, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Mark Sailors actually gets paid for his drivel?!

    Oh my, the world is really in a mess.

    Yes, I do in fact get paid for my work.

  110. Plain Jane
    November 17, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    You might have a point if her opponent was any different on that issue, 3:20. Now go brush your teeth and use mouthwash, you reek.

  111. Sylvia
    November 17, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I will never understand the posts of people like I Just Threw Up…..
    You start out by agreeing with what I said and then turn it into an attack that is based on nothing you could possibly know. First of all Bonnie Neely is/was the least of what I was talking about or what we all need to be worried about. Using a post to hit out at someone who is completely irrelevant to the discussion is just ridiculous. Further–why the hell do you presume to know who I voted for? I do not even live in the district Bonnie N. was running in.
    Grow up if you wanna play with the big girls and boys.

  112. I just threw up in my mouth again
    November 18, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Sylvia and Plan Jane:

    I am constantly amazed how the local Regressives always place blame at any political candidate doing anything perceived to be wrong – except their own candidates.

    My point is simple for most to follow.

    Big money in local politics perverts the process.

    I think we can all agree on that.

    No one took bigger checks than Bonnie what’s-her-name.

    Bonnie took at least three checks at $10,000 or greater.

    Bass zero.

    And yet the Measure T crowd actually endorsed Bonnie who took a $10,000 check from an Orange County real estate developer. Not a word spoken against.

    We get it that Heraldoites are hypocrites.

  113. Plain Jane
    November 18, 2011 at 9:34 am

    You seem to be confused, Vomiter. Neely didn’t run in my district, nor Sylvia’s. Jimmy Smith is my supervisor. If you actually voted you might understand that everyone in the county doesn’t vote for all the supervisors, just those in our own districts.

    People like you who expect candidates to hamstring their own campaigns with ethical concerns their opponents don’t share are delusional. If all candidates made a promise and kept it that they would only accept small contributions and none from outside the county, you might have a point. Of course, Bass had her own big contributors and lots of “independent” money attacking Neely for years which Bass didn’t have to claim.

  114. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 7:33 am

    “People like you who expect candidates to hamstring their own campaigns with ethical concerns their opponents don’t share are delusional”

    Isnt that why people are protesting? I don’t understand how you support OWS and take that position.

  115. Noah Comment
    November 20, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    UC Davis Students’ Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor
    After video of UC Davis police officer Lt. John Pike’s shockingly nonchalant use of pepper spray against peaceful, passive protestors went viral yesterday, chancellor Linda Katehi scheduled a press conference for the afternoon. Students were refused entry and began to chant and protest outside the building; Katehi refused to leave for three hours, because “the crowd outside was perceived to be hostile.” It was. But it wasn’t violent: Here’s Katehi leaving the building, finally, after the sun had set, given a wide berth by the hundreds of students who had gathered there, each of them staring on in silence. It’s as creepy as it is moving.


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  118. August 1, 2014 at 12:22 am

    An outstanding share! I have just forwarded this onto a coworker who had been doing a little research on this. And he actually bought me dinner because I found it for him… lol. So allow me to reword this…. Thank YOU for the meal!! But yeah, thanx for spending time to discuss this issue here on your site.

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