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WSJ plugs Eureka for outdoorsy retirees

The cost of living in California is more expensive on average than other states, but the Wall Street Journal names a few affordable spots for retirees. Eureka makes the list.

WSJ: Forget Santa Barbara. Here are four more affordable Golden State gems

  1. November 19, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Luckily, most people can’t hack the weather.

  2. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Eureka Ca. Where the sun don’t shine.

  3. Not A Native
    November 19, 2011 at 9:50 am

    The article actually has some cautions

    “But this town isn’t for everyone, warn retirement pros: The small town has fewer restaurants and shops than other California cities, and the nearest international airport is 200 miles away in Sacramento.”

    Even that understates the deficiency, its 300 miles(and 6 driving hours on dangerous roads) to Sacto.

  4. Dan
    November 19, 2011 at 10:14 am

    NAN, yes. Why not Oakland or S.F.?
    Closer, save an hour.

  5. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Medford has the Rogue Valley International Airport and it is only three and a half hours away from Eureka.

  6. Not A Native
    November 19, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Assume you’re being sarcastic, Dan. Obviously Oakland and S.F. don’t have relatively cheap housing.

    The WSJ article is aimed at those financially driven people who want to cash out their bloated home values and acquire a similar(but preferably a bigger) house for much less. Those people also have more allegience to money than to the communities and people where they now live. Abandoning friends, family, and associations is not a concern for them. And clearly, they aren’t jet setters who will readily travel in an attempt to maintain contacts and relationships(as the article points out, travel from Eureka is difficult). More likely, they are people who feel a need to get away from growing numbers of minority folks who are “spoiling” their present location and just don’t have a means to relocate to an exclusive enclave close to where they now are. On that basis, they have a lot in common with the existing Eureka populace but have much more money.

  7. Not A Native
    November 19, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Accordin’ to the net’, Medford is 200 mi and 4 hours driving time from Eureka. And that means using Hwy 199 ‘blood alley’.

    MFR is a bigger airport than ACV, but still only has flights to Denver, Las Vegas, L.A., Portland, Salt Lake City, S.F., and Seattle. No jet planes and no international flights.

  8. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Medford used to have an international flight and I guess they are keeping the designation should they regain one. Also, US199 is a much easier drive than highway 299 or even highway 20 to I-5. An hour and a half tops from Crescent City to Grants Pass.

  9. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I have lived in several small towns and disagree with the restaurant assessment. Many other towns this size have fewer and lower quality to choose from.

  10. November 19, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    “Those people…have more allegience to money than to the communities … where they now live.”

    Such a generous assessment form Not-a-Native.

  11. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    So NAN or(Ken) isn’t that way you moved here? To maximize your assets.

  12. Down the Road
    November 19, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    How can anyone be involved in the community, when the city is being run by a few red neck hillbillies? I see two distinct classes
    of wannabes. Those that run non-profits and make money off
    of the do nothings and those that make money off building crap
    housing.

  13. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    “Those that run non-profits….” Bruce Anderson calls them “the nice people” and “the caring professionals”.

  14. High Finance
    November 19, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    You wouldn’t know a “red neck hillbilly” if one came up and bit you in the ass. You are just rationalizing your laziness.

    Eureka is a great place to live. Lots of variety of restaurants, ACV will get you anyplace in the world (just not a direct flight), the weather is perfect and you don’t have to fight the crowds.

    NAN, you drive like a little old lady. It takes me only 4 1/2 hrs to get to Sacto.

  15. November 19, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I’ll second HiFi’s “Eureka is a great place to live,” even though he drives too fast.

  16. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    There is the lack of restaruants, except Mexican restaurants, plenty of them. Wonder why that is?

    Weather is good overall. Nice to be by the ocean.

    Hmmmm but there is the pot industry, in town and out ! And all the maggots that attracts.

    And of course the aggressive homeless people.

    Other than the bad, or undesirable, people it would be a good place to retire.

  17. LAUGHING BUDDHA
    November 19, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    “except Mexican Restaurants” = Humboldt local homegrown racist.

    “all the maggosts” = anti pot zealot probably a drunk.

    “agressive homeless people” dumb shit have you ever been to San Francisco or Los Angeles?

    “bad or undesirable people” just gas them right Heinrich?

  18. High Finance
    November 19, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Eureka has a good variety of restaurants. A Thai, a Pakistani/Indian, several Chinese, a Potato, Hawaiian, BBQ, Several Pizzas, Omelette, Korean, several Italians, a steak house coming, Donuts, too many fast food hamburger and a brew pub.

    What more do you want ?

  19. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    How about more fish restaurants. Only the Sea Grill remains where we once had Lazio’s, Weatherby’s, Eureka Seafood Grotto, and others for which I have forgotten their names.

  20. tra
    November 19, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    A potato?

  21. Lord Ha Ha
    November 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    The Avalon has a $3.00 side of tater tots, TRA.

    Or you can get that wonderful pink slimeburger and garlic fries down at Mikes.

    Obvious that the WSJ reporter didn’t get down to that five star bistro.

  22. November 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Again, I agree with HiFi.

    And I think that the Laughing Buddha has pegged Anonymous 3:18 accurately.

  23. Decline To State
    November 19, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Stuft’ Potato in Henderson Center, tra. Lot’s of potatoes and some pretty decent German dishes.

  24. retired guy
    November 19, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    This is probably one of the only times I would agree with HiFi on most anything. There are plenty of restaurants and quite a variety also. It’s interesting that the article indicates that the cost of living here is 16% higher than other areas. I wonder what they include in this statistic.

  25. tra
    November 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Thanks, DTS, I’ll have to check out that place sometime.

  26. November 19, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Group hug! I’ll buy the next round.

  27. Walt
    November 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Remember, by the way, the WSJ is now a Murdoch organ, doing much less econ and business reporting and more featurey stuff. . .they’re trying to drive NY Times under, just as RA was trying to drive the poor TS under. WSJ USED to do real journalism. . .now it’s news McNuggets.

  28. Plain Jane
    November 19, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    We have 4 different versions of SE Asian cuisine, even more versions of Mexican, soul food, excellent seafood in a number of restaurants (the Sea Grill is my personal fav) and even a few really pricey places. The failure rate of restaurants is horrible so we’re lucky some of our old friends have been able to keep their doors open.

  29. Load Me Another
    November 19, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Nice to have Heraldo’s playground friendly today. Everybody get laid last night? I frequent the taco wagons myself- good food, good people, and I like supporting underdog entrepreneurs. The folks who line up at those wagons are as diverse as our community. And, those owners and staff are hard workers too and I admire that. With regard to our local tax base, we need to attract as many out of area seniors as possible. I wonder if our CVB even markets to seniors??

  30. Plain Jane
    November 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Did you see that congress classified french fries and pizza as vegetables? Kids eat McFood and most are going to end up earning McWages because their parents watch McNews.

  31. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Tony Smithers, white courtesy phone please.

  32. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Retirees aren’t good for your local economy. Younger people are much better. I would discourage this type of press, which is based around low-cost of living to attract people who contribute minimally to the economy (outside of the medical fields).

    Infrastructure development is your best bet. Increasing the amount and redundancy of bandwidth into the region is the single smartest move that can be made. The boutique tech sector can do very well in Humboldt.

  33. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    I have heard that we have more restaurants per capita than most areas with our population and demographics. We have great choices, and some with worldwide acclaim in the wine pairing world (301, Avalon) and many others with wonderful food.

    Also, our roads are no more dangerous than anything in a major city. You have to drive slower and more carefully on mountain roads than on straight freeways but if those freeways are full of traffic they are actually more dangerous. See insurance rates in large metropolitan areas.

  34. Democratic Socialist
    November 19, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Yes lets start with free broadband wi fi for everyone in Eureka, then Arcata, then the rest of the county that’s feasible. Let’s get it done in three years.

    That will increase the “productivity” of everyone in Humboldt County.

  35. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Jr if you want good fish, many of our local places do a nice fish dinner, in addition to Sea Grille.

  36. Anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Don’t forget The Waterfront Restaurant.

  37. Percy
    November 19, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Free broad band wi fi would entail costs that would need to be paid for by some kind of tax, parcel tax, sales tax, what have you. Not likely in this republican anti tax era. The investment in broadband infrastructure would probably pay for itself if an outfit like google established a campus here, or several smaller internet based companies. To say nothing of the increased traffic to local colleges. But we are in an era where everything has to be brought into being privately, and if the existing infrastructure can’t support it, and the utilities don’t think they can get the bang for their investment buck here that they can somewhere else, then guess what? No fiber to the curb, ever. It’s a selfish, stupid system and will keep backwater towns in the resource extraction economy forever. Infrastructure development is something that government can handle very efficiently but untill this bullshit boomer generation gets over its love affair with the new John Birch Society, nothing that is not free market created will ever come into being. I love seeing the occupy movement emerging. They finally see what the boomers have done to their futures.

  38. anonymous
    November 19, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Not to fear 5.41pm Load, tomorrow we’ll go for each other’s throats again.

    Unless everybody has a come-to-Jesus burning bush moment tonight and realize I am right about everything.

  39. jr
    November 19, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    The city of Ashland, Oregon operates its own broadband fiber network. http://www.ashlandfiber.net The Mendocino Unified School District operates a similar program on the Mendocino Coast. http://www.mcn.org Either could provide the template for affordable broadbank from Crescent City to Garberville.

  40. Decline To State
    November 20, 2011 at 7:29 am

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around Anonymous @ 6:17’s claim that “retirees aren’t good for your local economy.”

    How does that work? Retirees are still buying our houses, eating our food, smoking our dope, going to our movies and plays, etc., etc. What are younger people doing differently that’s better for the local economy? I admit I am recently retired and with the free time that gives me I’m now able to give back to the community doing volunteer work. I feel I’m benefiting our economy at least as much as I did when I was still working.

    I think I’ve been insulted.

  41. Down the Road
    November 20, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Hi Fi: The only culture you could have possible been exposed to,
    is in a hospital lab. The restaurants in Eureka on the most part
    are mediocre. The only reason you could possible think they are
    good is because you haven’t been anywhere.

    The Sea Grill doesn’t even serve real butter. Haven’t an idea what
    was served the other night. Their bar is fairly good. The Waterfront is all right, if noise doesn’t bother you. If S. Arkley is in
    the Avalon, the whole staff spends the evening drooling over her.
    The Carter House is sometimes good, sometimes bad.

  42. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 7:41 am

    I don’t think an influx of retirees is necessarily good for the health care industry either. Increasing the percentage of high use, low pay patients in an area like ours where providers are already struggling financially won’t help. And now private insurers are starting the push to “out-county” elective procedures to large hospitals for their economy of scale which our hospitals could never match. Our local hospitals lose that income, but doctors also lose that income which helps them to be able to afford to treat some patients at a loss. Our entire community loses that money which was earned here and is siphoned there for even greater insurance industry profit. Aren’t you glad we don’t have government butting into our health care choices? For-profit middle men between me and my doctor is much better.

  43. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 7:47 am

    One problem with health care in Humboldt County is that sometime in the last three decades it all got privatised.

    There once was a county hospital, built and paid for by the taxpayers, owned by the people, where people could get affordable health care.

    Now it is a private hospital. You were all suckered somehow by right wing voodoo economics. Remember how they told you that privatisation would lower costs for everyone? How is that working for you?

    It is time for a county hospital again.

  44. neomoderate
    November 20, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Funny, down the road, all those places are very average. They do food like every other “upscale” restaurant in the country. We have a lot of unique, excellent places to eat. If you want five-star with a waiter in a black coat fawning over you, this is the wrong place. Those restaurants bore me anyway. Got over that growing up around Monterey. If you want good, unique eats, there are a ton of great restaurants in Humboldt.

  45. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Um, you’ve taken a few shortcuts in your history there, DS. It didn’t quite go down like that, but that’s another issue.

    Increasing the number of hospitals doesn’t cut costs. Competition in health care can actually drive costs up. Some equipment is so expensive that it would cost too much to use if it had to pay for itself. The more duplication there is of that equipment, the higher all health care costs are to subsidize it. If every hospital had state of the art equipment to diagnose and treat every illness, no one would be able to afford to go to a hospital. Increasing the number of hospital beds in a community doesn’t decrease the price, it actually increases the price if there are lots of beds empty.

  46. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 8:13 am

    What happened to the County Hospital? Please explain the history so we can have an informed discussion.

    I agree with you that simply increasing the amount of beds may cause costs to rise. I don’t advocate increasing the number of hospital beds. I am saying that a portion of the available beds should be owned by the people in a people’s hospital.

  47. November 20, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Does anyone know the whereabouts of the
    fine German chef Rolf?
    Use to be up at a restaurant in Prairie Creek, Rolf’s.

    Fantastic food, beautiful drive.
    I’d sure enjoy one of his breakfasts again, hell there are retirees that would move up here to be near that cook.

  48. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Now as to the history issue.

    General Hospital bought Union Labor Hospital on the corner of Harris & H. General Hospital and County Hospital traded facilities and the old General Hospital became the county mental hospital, Sempervirons. The old County Hospital was sold by General Hospital to St Joseph Hospital because the infrastructure renovations required for it to remain an in-patient hospital were too expensive. St. Joseph Hospital closed General for in-patients and expanded urgent care and rehabilitation.

  49. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:25 am

    The last I heard of Rolf he was cooking at the airport, but that was several years ago (or 10).

  50. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Was not the County Hospital owned by the taxpayers? If it was who decided to privatise it? How much did the county sell it for?

    Thanks for your patient replies.

  51. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:32 am

    “I am saying that a portion of the available beds should be owned by the people in a people’s hospital.”

    They sort of do. Hospitals are required to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. We all pay for those beds directly through higher prices and indirectly through our taxes. We essentially “own” as many beds as are needed by the poor and indigent. Unfortunately as the number of poor and indigent continues to increase, the beds occupied by the non-poor get more and more expensive to help pay for the others. Health care isn’t selling widgets and the usual “laws” of supply and demand don’t apply.

  52. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:37 am

    It was traded for what is now Sempervirons at Harris & H, DS. It was the Board of Supervisors who made the decision to trade and we should be thankful they did or we would be stuck with the unsafe white elephant that is the old county hospital today. Did you ever go inside the old County Hospital before General bought it?

  53. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 8:39 am

    “before General bought it” should be acquired it.

  54. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 8:51 am

    No I never saw the interior. Why was it allowed to deteriorate?

    Do you think that the people should have, should own a public hospital? Isn’t that the public option in it’s simplest form?

    I may be thankful that the supervisors saved us money but I am not thankful that there is no public option for hospitals in all of Humboldt County. When they sold it off to St. Joes why didn’t they build a new County Hospital?

  55. Blackcoffee
    November 20, 2011 at 9:09 am

    I love Stuft Potato but I would caution anybody going in there…it’s not set up as “fine dining”…it is an old hot dog place. And the service is efficient but not cordial.

  56. Fawn Bradley
    November 20, 2011 at 9:15 am

    One good thing about stuft potato is the people that you won’t run into there.

    They don’t have enough fawners or droolers on their staff to satisfy the hoi polloi.

  57. Load Me Another
    November 20, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Jane- would you rather our community have the disposable income of gang members, professional homeless, and professional welfare recipients or senior citizens? Note that I distinguish between those in need and willing to help themselves with the professionals. Retirees are pretty diverse and most actually ambulate and contribute to the community. Should compassion be prioritized to the the guy sleeping in his own vomit or the poor little lady (who volunteers her to others) with a hip fracture? And, senior citizens show up at the polls. If there is a group in our society who has earned our respect, it’s certainly them. On the restaurant end of this string, how many establishments (local) do we frequent where the service just sucks or the staff is at best indifferent? That is what I find is most commonplace. I do not “go local” where the owner is clueless to customer service- those guys deserve to fail.

  58. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Because this community can’t afford another hospital, DS. Medicaid and legislation requiring hospitals to treat everyone made county hospitals unnecessary. The closure of state mental hospitals made county mental health facilities necessary.

    My memory of County Hospital is an Eastern Bloc – type institution with the overwhelming smell of urine and Lysol.

  59. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I don’t see where anything you wrote was relevant to my post, Load. I would prefer a local economy that provides a decent job for everyone who wants one, with no gangs, homeless or welfare recipients. I didn’t say retirees’ money shouldn’t be welcomed. I was responding to an earlier post that opined more retirees would only be good for the health care industry.

    I don’t frequent any restaurants where the staff sucks no matter how good the food is. If I want a great meal prepared by a surly cook, I’ll eat at home. :-D

  60. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I disagree with you on that Jane.

    I don’t think that we can afford to have our only hospital choice in Humboldt be a private one. We need a county hospital.

    The cost of health care has spiraled upwards relentlessly since the privatisation wave started in the 80s.

    I take your word for the condition of County General. But still I ask, who let it deteriorate so far? And if it was indeed that bad, aren’t you making the same point that the extreme right wingers make, that government can’t do anything right?

  61. November 20, 2011 at 9:53 am

    We need a county hospital.

    In case you weren’t aware, government run hospitals in California are the ones most likely to reduce hours or shut down entirely for financial reasons. This being due to having mostly patients that rely on MediCare/ MediCal.

    I read in the L.A. Times a few years ago that hospitals and doctors that have 60% or more of their patients on private insurance seem to have been doing ok. The other way around- 60% or more on MediCare/MediCal- and they end up in trouble, with some threatening to close down entirely.

    While you blame privatizing medical care for all our medical problems, one reason for insurance premiums going sky high is, as mentioned earlier, private payers subsidize those on MediCare/MediCal. You can also blame various government enforced mandates that require private insurance providers to cover more and more conditions.

    The most recent cuts in MediCare/MediCal will likely make this much worse as there were only so many physicians that will accept MediCal patients as it was. We’ll likely even see even fewer doctors accepting them now and private insurance costs will rise to cover the revenue shortage created by these most recent MediCal cuts.

  62. who what where
    November 20, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Fred Mangels and Plain Jane are on the same page.

    No offense to either one, this is just an observation, as I know these two planetary paths will not likely pass so close again.

    But the Apocalypse is nigh.

  63. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 10:06 am

    When people refer to Medicare as “MediCal” or “Medi-Cal” they are confusing people.

    Medicare is the federal system associated with the Social Security system.

    Medi-Cal is the medical assistance program for the poor that is known in every state except California as Medicaid.

  64. tra
    November 20, 2011 at 10:09 am

    “If I want a great meal prepared by a surly cook, I’ll eat at home.”

    Thanks for the belly-laugh.

  65. November 20, 2011 at 10:30 am

    When people refer to Medicare as “MediCal” or “Medi-Cal” they are confusing people.

    Indeed. MediCal is California’s version of something- the federal one, anyway- and that’s coming from someone who is on it, kinda, except I’m on CMSP….I think. Can’t make heads or tails of it after dealing with it for some years now.

    Except I’m on share- of- cost which is so high I pretty much pay out of pocket for everything.

    I might add, I tried using my share- of- cost status to get on board with a medical practice that didn’t accept MediCal patients. They wouldn’t go for it, if for no other reason than if they had to refer me to some other office for something, they only referred patients to other offices that didn’t accept MediCal patients thus I couldn’t be referred.

    Something like that, anyway.

  66. High Finance
    November 20, 2011 at 10:32 am

    OK PJ, that was a good line !

    Down the Road, you must be one of those people who
    need a “fawning & drooling staff”.

  67. tra
    November 20, 2011 at 10:36 am

    We have plenty of hospitals and medical facilities, the issues are quality and access. Of those two issues, it’s my impression the quality of care available to patients in Humboldt, and in America in general, is quite good. Access to that care, unfortunately, is severely restricted for those millions in this country who lack health insurance. Tremendous amounts of money are wasted on administration in the private health insurance industry, and billions more are diverted into profits.

    The actual solution, a single-payer system, or “Medicare for all,” would save money while also increasing access. How is it possible that a single-payer system could accomplish both things at once? Because a single payer system would (1) eliminate a huge amount of the money that is currently spent on adminstration, and redirect those funds, along with the portion that is currently diverted to insurance company profit-taking, to providing actual medical care, and (2) enable eveyone to seek and utilize preventive health care services regularly, which facilitates early detection and more successful (as well as less costly) treatment.

    The fact that we could still be limping along with a bloated, dysfunctional, self-serving private health insurance industry that excludes tens of millions of Americans from coverage, is testament to the power of dogmatic ideology and corrupt corporate influence to distort the debate in favor of the status quo.

  68. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Both Medicare and Medi-Cal (Medicaid) pay lower rates than private insurance or private pay patients. Both are subsidized by taxes and higher health care costs for everyone. If you were made dictator, what sort of health care delivery system would you implement?

  69. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I agree 100%, Tra.

  70. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I don’t want to be anybody’s dictator but I think the modern socialized health care systems of France or Portugal would be a good starting place.

    Tra, the problem isn’t just the insurance companies. Sure they are greedy and unneeded parasites in the field of health care but they only account for about one quarter of the extra money that we pay for health care in America. The rest is going to hospital companies, big pharma, and doctors.

  71. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 11:02 am

    All of which have to pay salaries to people who do the work. The actual health care industry, aside from pharmaceutical companies, are struggling with increasing costs and decreasing income. Insurance companies raise their rates but they don’t increase their payments. Government (and HMO) doctors don’t make as much as private doctors, but they don’t have to pay their overhead such as staff and malpractice insurance out of their own incomes.

  72. Democratic Socialist
    November 20, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Jane, do you agree that the health care system in France is better than ours?

    If so how do we get there from here?

  73. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Retirees only bring prosperity. I agree with Load Me Another 9:21. Just because your retired or over 55 doesn’t mean you are a drooling needy tax drain.

  74. tra
    November 20, 2011 at 11:16 am

    If so how do we get there from here?

    Yup, that’s the question. And is Obamacare, with its expansion of Medicaid, its provision of vouchers to some folks to hep them buy insurance, and its ban on denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, etc., a step forward.

    Or is it a step backward, forcing people, under threat of legal penalty, to purchase insurance from the same profiteers who have siphoned away so many of our health care dollars for so many years?

  75. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Having lived in San Luis Obispo, when I am there I find a few good restaurants but mostly those catering to the Cal Poly students. Potato skins and such. I really do think we have many choices in Eureka especially for a town our size and being so remote.

  76. retired guy
    November 20, 2011 at 11:28 am

    If we had “socialized healthcare” like other modern societies have, costs would not be such a big issue as it is today. Healthcare is something all citizens should be able to have. The health insurance industry spent a lot of money to keep that from happening. Now, like before, we’ve got paid employees hired by these companies to turn down billing submissions. In other words, those with private insurance are paying the insurance company to turn down care. Boy, that makes a lot of sense, to the insurance company of course!

  77. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Sure, DS. The only way to get there is to block the health care industry (or anyone else) from buying our politicians. They should, n the words of Makana, “do the bidding of the many not the few.” I love that song.

  78. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 11:42 am

    “Dotted with quaint Victorian homes”. A huge understatement. Eureka has over 1,600 designated historic structures. New surveys are being done and it has been noticed that there are well over twice that number. Of course no one knows this because our tourism board and shitty Chamber of Commerce won’t acknowledge this asset.

  79. jr
    November 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I like that song too, and would never had know about it had I not visited the Occupy Sacramento site. Makana may be the Phil Ochs for the new century. By the way, it is interesting to visit the various Occupy sites for their take on the situation at hand. Occupy Oakland is taking the lead to shut down ALL West Coast ports on Dec 12.

  80. jr
    November 20, 2011 at 12:28 pm
  81. November 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Great reading on the history of our local hospitals.

    What I do not see is a mention that in the seventies
    hospitals were first allowed to operate at a profit and we
    began a nosedive from #1 in the world to a disgraceful
    #28 (very third-world).

    Maybe HiFi would like to tell us what 40 years privatization
    has meant to our health-care system. Who profits HiFi?

  82. November 20, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    “Access to that care … is severely restricted for those millions in this country who lack health insurance.”

    Access is obviously a problem also for people who have insurance. When yo blow hundreds of dollars a month for “health insurance” that has a deductible in the many thousands, doctor and, god forbid, hospital visits are not going to be reimbursed.

  83. tra
    November 20, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Joel,

    Good point. The existing system works poorly even for many of those who are supposedly “covered.”

  84. jr
    November 20, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Mr. Mielke is right. In fact that was the main premise of Michael Moore’s “Sicko”. When you are carrying a $1500.00 deductible (and this may be lower than many folks have) you are essentially paying for ALL of your health expenses unless you are unfortunate enough to get really, really sick. And then the costs toward the deductible are only valid for a year and you are back to zero on your plan’s anniversary date. What a racket.

  85. Down the Road
    November 20, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    No, Hi Fi, I don’t need the fawning, I prefer a little class. You on
    the other hand don’t know what that is.

    As far as not wanting retirees, most of us have money. We shop.
    We eat out. We look for entertainment. We worked for our dollars.
    We didn’t dream up non-profits to suck the people’s tax dollars.
    We owned our own businesses and we didn’t depend on other
    people to feed, shower, and wipe our butts for us.

    We also pay for the hospitals and doctors. We carry supplemental
    insurance. We own our property. We are not attached to the
    government’s teat like half the population that live in Humboldt
    County.

  86. Plain Jane
    November 20, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Does your supplemental insurance increase the amount doctors and hospitals are paid over what Medicare pays or just reduce your out-of-pocket expenses, DTR?

  87. anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Class and the post at 6.01 are strangers.

  88. Anonymous
    November 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Jr. having had $720,000 worth of medical bills in the last few years, I am thrilled to have only paid about $5,000 of it.

  89. Down the Road
    November 21, 2011 at 8:11 am

    P.J: I pay for the plan that pays my out-of-pocket expenses.

  90. November 21, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Anonymous 9:00 must be part of the tiny minority that is happy with the present, insurance-based health care system. Congratulations.

  91. Plain Jane
    November 21, 2011 at 8:37 am

    So what relevance does your buying additional insurance which benefits only you and not your health care providers have to the discussion of our collapsing health care system due to low funding or the subsidization of Medicare recipient health care by taxpayers and other health care consumers,, DTR? How does supplemental insurance benefit the society that is subsidizing the health care of retirees when millions who are helping to pay for your health care can’t afford it for themselves?

  92. Anonymous
    November 21, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    You would be happy too, Joel, if your health insurance came through and you never really knew if it would in your time of need. Your snide remark is excused, since you don’t have the whole story, which I did not share.

  93. Anonymous
    November 21, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    New retirees will merely do the same thing they’ve always done here….buy a McMansion on the cheap, ten miles from downtown, making local developers rich and Eureka infrastructure-poor. (If developers and sprawl-shoppers had to pay the actual cost…they’d never move here).

    The retirees I know (most people I know) combine vacations with vastly superior medical care in the Bay Area, rarely dining locally, and only where they’re fawned-over, regardless of the occasional visit by the owner’s Black Lab in Avalon’s dining room. The Stuffed Potato has “No public bathroom”, otherwise, you’d see their poodle.

    Overpriced, poor quality, poor service, and lots of it, is the hallmark of dining out in Humboldt County.

    Those who are posting favorable comments about local restaurants must not have friends who are local sanitarians.

    The NCJ still get’s “s–t” for providing the only investigation of local restaurant health department violations, EVER!

    Go downtown and look up the files for yourself.

    It’s a dirty little secret greatly exacerbated by a plummeting economy and complicit media.

  94. Anonymous
    November 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Rolf is taking life easy, cooking benefit breakfast etc in Mac town on occasion and puking over the prog bullshit that isdestroying the work ethic in America!!!!!!!!

  95. anonymous
    November 21, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Prog bullshit is right. This blog is enough to make anybody lose their breakfast.

  96. Anonymous
    November 22, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Get an hsa policy. Cheaper rates, put the extra money you would be paying into an hsa account and use that for doctor visits.

  97. Pooterville Posse
    November 22, 2011 at 8:45 am

    HSAs are tax gimmicks that favor the wealthy, they were part of the fraudulent Medicare part D that was passed (undpaid for) by the most corrupt Congress in history under George Bush.

  98. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 9:23 am

    HSA’s are actually a great idea for people with large deductibles and can be used to pay for prescriptions, dental, eye glasses and other non-covered medical expenses with tax-free dollars. They aren’t the answer to our health care system problems and everyone should be allowed to participate regardless of health insurance status. Unlike supplemental insurance plans, the money doesn’t disappear down a corporate rat hole at the end of the year but accumulates in your own account. There isn’t some clerk sitting in a cubicle deciding what will be covered or not, it’s your decision.

  99. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 9:28 am

    An additional plus for HSA is that should you decide you have more than you need in your account, you can withdraw the excess and pay income taxes on it. Try to get a return on your insurance premiums because you didn’t use your insurance.

  100. November 22, 2011 at 10:32 am

    My opinion Jane is that all forms of health insurance are scams. Health insurance needs to be made illegal. We need a national single payer health care system.

    These kinds of bandaids are great for the top 20% of income (the Republican base) or some entitled union members with good but high deductible policies (the Democratic base) but for the rest of us they are useless.

    The people entitled to these tax breaks gain a benefit, no argument, but their tax savings means the rest of us poor people have to pay more taxes.

    I know what I am saying will piss off a few Democrats so don’t take this personally it is not aimed at you personally. But this is a discussion we need to have.

    Poor people (and that is a lot of us now) cannot afford to save any money let alone buy a Health Savings Account.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  101. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 10:47 am

    No offense taken, Bill. But I don’t think you understand what HSA’s really are. People with high deductibles (not the uninsured) can avoid paying taxes on savings allocated to pay for valid medical expenses. If they had great insurance these expenses would be paid by the insurance and they wouldn’t pay taxes on that money either. You don’t “buy” an HSA, you open an HSA savings account and contribute to it any amount you wish up to the amount of your deductible each year. You can accumulate up to the yearly cap every year and you don’t lose what you don’t use.

    I’m sorry that you feel poor people pay for these savings accounts which you can’t use, but think about how people feel who pay for your Medi-Cal who don’t qualify but can’t afford to buy a decent (or any) insurance plan for themselves.

  102. November 22, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I don’t have MediCal so I can’t think about it.

    I don’t “feel” that poor people are paying for HSAs for richer people. We know that taxes have gone down for the rich and corporations. We know that the upper middle class got large benefits from the Bush cuts as well. That leaves the rest of us. We pay either with higher taxes or fewer services. But we pay.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  103. November 22, 2011 at 10:57 am

    “You would be happy too, Joel, if your health insurance came through … in your time of need.”

    Yes, “if
    My point was evidently lost on Anonymous, who relies on a single anecdote to justify our inferior health care system. It just happened to work for him, but it doesn’t work for the vast majority of us.
    Again, congratulations, Anonymous, but your logic is deeply flawed.

  104. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 11:04 am

    You keep going back to that assumption that HSA’s are for rich people. Yes, rich people can and do use them. But so do lots of working class people, myself included. The tax break is minuscule but the relief knowing if I have a serious illness there is money set aside so I won’t go bankrupt is priceless.

    I am a huge supporter of social programs, but when you complain that working class people like me get a tiny break on taxes because I fund a large share of my own health care sorta pisses me off.

  105. November 22, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Jane I am not in the race to the bottom crowd. I think what has happened is that workers like you have been screwed down tighter and tighter.

    They throw you crumbs like HSAs when you should be getting nearly free heatlth care like the rest of the industrial democratic world does.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  106. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I am also a huge supporter of single payer health care, Bill. But since I have to pay for my own insurance (self-employed) my own SS (all of it) I appreciate that I get a little break for my deductible and the medical expenses that aren’t covered. Me having an HSA isn’t what is blocking universal health care. Of course, I could forego those deductions and pay more in taxes so poor people won’t resent my working class income, but then I’d have to cut back on my charitable contributions which are, btw, greater than my tax savings for my HSA. Which is of more benefit to poor people, for working class people to pay a little more in taxes or direct charitable donations?

  107. November 22, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “Free” is bullshit, Bill. They pay for it, but they get better coverage and care for their money.

  108. November 22, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Jane, if I were in your position I would take the tax deduction too. That goes without saying. I am not resentful that you get a small tax break. I am pointing out that in general when there is a tax break for someone, then someone else pays for it.

    This is not a case of either or. Other industrial democracies can afford health care for their people, so can we.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  109. November 22, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Can you elaborate Joel? I’m not sure what you meant.

    thanks,
    Bill

  110. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 11:44 am

    And when someone gets entitlements, someone else pays for them. Begrudging working class people little breaks because rich people also get them doesn’t make a lot of sense. Do you feel that mortgage and renter deductions are stealing from the homeless too, Bill?

  111. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I’m not Joel but what he meant was crystal clear.

    You said in your post at 11:14, “you should be getting nearly free heatlth care like the rest of the industrial democratic world does.”

    It isn’t even nearly free. They pay for it from their taxes instead of supporting an insanely bloated military complex. But it is better and covers almost everyone for about 75% of what we spend on our cookie cutter system that leaves millions un and under insured.

  112. November 22, 2011 at 11:51 am

    What is a renter deduction?

    I said nothing about “stealing” Jane. I said that when some people get tax breaks other people pay more taxes. That could work either way but in the case of HSAs it works to the advantage of wealthier people.

    Mortgage deductions also benefit the people who can afford to buy a home as opposed to theose who can only rent. Mortgage deductions are social engineering designed to increase home ownership which is seen by many to be socially desirable but no one believes that mortgage deductions are fair to anyone but those who recieve them.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  113. November 22, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Of course health care is not “free” to a society as a whole that is understood. There is a significant cost to the economy no matter whether the health care system is socialized or not.

    When I say nearly free I mean nearly free out of pocket for the individual of course.

    But I don’t think that is what Joel meant.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  114. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Don’t renters still get a deduction to cover the property taxes that they pay to the landlord which are included in the price of rent? The last time I qualified was a number of years ago and I don’t recall how much it was, but there was a flat amount that you could deduct as a renter. I always thought it was probably throwing renters a bone to collect income information on landlords.

  115. Plain Jane
    November 22, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    I can’t imagine what else Joel could have meant so you’ll have to wait for his explanation, Bill.

  116. November 22, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    What I meant, Bill, is exactly what Plain Jane so patiently described for you.

    That’s just the sort of ignorant, sloppy talk that conservatives can point to and say, “look, they’re just bums.”

  117. November 22, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Well Joel that is what I said too. We all seem to be agreed that we need a single payer health system supported by taxes. Have I got it now?

    In France for instance, their entire health care system consumes half of what ours does in terms of the economy, but the cost of health care service for any individual is nominal. It is not nothing , but is is no more than a few dollars.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  118. November 22, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Just don’t say “free,” or risk sounding like a left-wing version of Fred.

  119. anonymous
    November 22, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Nothing in life is free. You either pay for it hidden by tax dollars or you pay for it with substandard health care or you ride the coat tails of other country’s medical research.

  120. November 23, 2011 at 6:39 am

    Joel, “nearly free” as I said to Jane is not “free.”

    How would you describe the French socialized health care system in terms that won’t piss off some rabid right winger?

    If you just advocate a progressive tax system they accuse you of being Che Guevara, come on.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  121. Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Bill, you are right. Some of us do pay for the breaks of others. Like, I pay for my kids’ tuition. All of it. If your kid gets a state or federal grant, I helped pay for it. If I have a HSA, maybe because I get a deduction on it we all have to pay for that deduction in taxes. I am paying though, and the hospital is not having to write me off and increase the bill for others. I am paying. My kids now pay taxes and are annoyed when they see their friends on assistance behind them in the grocery store, when they know they are capable of working, or worse, get paid in cash for trimming pot. Some of us will always pay pay pay and someone will always hate us for what they perceive is screwing the guy lower on the totem pole of financial life.

  122. November 23, 2011 at 7:12 am

    I have no argument with the notion that everyone pays in some way. What I am saying is that over the last 30 years the portion that the lower 50% is paying has grown significantly, and the portion that the upper portion is paying has gone down.

    Sure, weatlthy people are paying but they are paying less than they were in the 1950’s and 1960’s. I advocate a progressive tax system and a strong social safety net. This is not a left right issue. Real conservatives as well as liberals all agree that extreme income disparity is poison to democracy.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  123. janedoe5152@yahoo.com
    November 23, 2011 at 7:13 am

    There are millions of people “capable” of working who aren’t, 7:02; and if there were available jobs most would be.

  124. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 7:16 am

    I’m so glad that’s my junk e-mail address. Note to self: no posting before coffee. :-O

  125. November 23, 2011 at 7:18 am

    It is a phony right wing meme that hospitals have to “write off” expenses of the uninusured and thus raise ocsts for the insured.

    The truth is the opposite, hospitals fight over the county, state, and federal contracts to provide heaalth care for the disadvantaged. Government money baby.

    The truth is that in general cash prisces for health care are significantly higher for the uninsured than the total cost to the insured (co pay plus insurance payment). Hospitals charge poor people more.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  126. Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 7:28 am

    What weird world do you live in? Try coming back to planet earth.

  127. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 7:32 am

    That is true, Bill. Hospitals have contracts with insurance companies which means the insurance company and their customers pay less than those whose insurance doesn’t contract with the hospital or those who pay for their own services, but hospitals have to write off a large share of the bills of uninsured people who just don’t pay. The non-payers get bad credit ratings and hospital customers who do pay make up the difference.

    The reason hospitals and doctor’s offices prefer people with insurance is they have a better chance of being paid, albeit a bit less than from those with no insurance (if they actually pay their bills) and they get their money sooner as opposed to years of small payments.

  128. November 23, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Hello Jane,

    The preference to get paid is understandable. If no one ever gets paid the economy grinds to a halt. This goes for hospitals and minimum wage workers. Everyone needs to be paid a “living wage.”

    The problem is when the preference to get paid (again understandable) turns into a refusal to treat. That is when access becomes an issue.

    How do we address that? The problem with the Obama/Democratic plan is that it is just more insurance. The insurance model has clearly failed.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  129. November 23, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Bill is correct that “prices for health care are significantly higher for the uninsured.” I’ve always paid cash at hospitals, but when I was uninsured, I didn’t get the “discount” that insurance companies negotiate.

    So put that in your pipe, Anonymous, along with whatever else you are smoking at 7:28 in the morning.

  130. November 23, 2011 at 8:13 am

    By Stephanie Armour, USA TODAY

    The uninsured pay nearly three times more for hospital services than health insurers pay, and the gap between what they’re charged and what insurers pay has soared since 1984.
    Those are the results of a study being released today and published in the journal Health Affairs, a report expected to intensify the pressure on hospitals to lower charges for patients with no health insurance. More than 60 class-action lawsuits have been filed against hospitals for charging higher rates to the uninsured.

  131. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 8:17 am

    A little known fact is that hospitals and doctor’s offices often reduce their prices to the “contract rate” when patients are paying cash. I’ve done it and know others who have as well. At the time you make your appointment or schedule a hospital procedure, ask them for the Blue Cross contract rate if you’re paying cash. You won’t get the Medicare or Medi-Cal rate but you can get a pretty good discount. Probably not so much if you have to make payments. There are even doctors who will trade services if you have one that they need, i.e. landscaping, crafted items, “gift” certificates for your business, etc. Don’t be ashamed to ask, even rich people do it.

  132. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 8:37 am

    From the study that article was based on, “The proportion of charges paid for privately insured visits was 56 percent, compared to 38 percent for Medicare visits, 33 percent for Medicaid visits, and 35 percent for visits of uninsured patients.”

    Hospitals write off 44% of private insurance, 62% and 67% for government insurance and 65% for the uninsured. 35% are paying 100% of a much larger bill than they would if everyone paid the same. Single payer would correct this economic injustice.

  133. Dan
    November 23, 2011 at 9:12 am

    PJ, those are good tips.
    Trouble is, it’s demeaning and inefficient.
    The A.M.A. is at fault here, single-payer-
    universal care is the ONLY way to effectively
    approach our national health needs.

    Where is the A.M.A.?
    Now there is a guild that if not embarrassed,
    they are not paying attention.

  134. Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Jane, I do know lots of people who are capable of working, but find it unpleasant. Lots of relatives. They don’t even try to look for a job.

  135. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Tiny bandaids over gaping wounds, Dan. It can’t have escaped the attention of private practice doctors that the system is collapsing, but unfortunately the executives in medical organizations are primarily academics in university hospitals. They don’t have to deal with the day to day problems of paying the overhead with increasing numbers of uninsured and reductions in payment from insurance companies.

  136. November 23, 2011 at 9:57 am

    I agree that the system is collapsing. I said so right here a few weeks ago. It is collapsing for doctors it is collapsing for poor people. It will collapse for everyone soon. We are in a national health care emergency.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  137. November 23, 2011 at 9:58 am

    “I do know lots of people who are capable of working, but find it unpleasant.”

    That is for sure. The jigs-up. Impossible to live off of minimum wage- that incredibly meager ‘right-to-work’ approach to serfdom,
    joyfully promoted by our ‘local’ supposed lefty organizations.

    Even the local lefties have no understanding of labor union issues,
    yet- labor unions literally spawned and financed the enviro-movement.

  138. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Where are these jobs, 9:41? I know motivated people who have been looking for months and the best some can do is part-time work at low wage, no benefits, and crazy schedules that make it impossible to either go to school or take another part-time job.

  139. Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “and crazy schedules that make it impossible to either go to school or take another part-time job.”

    It’s not even a business secret, irregular schedules are used for that very reason, only they don’t call it the wage slavery it is. All the corpo/national outlets do it, humboldt is no exception. What a country we live in!

  140. November 23, 2011 at 10:15 am

    I have a google reader Humboldt Jobs feed that does a pretty good job of scouring all the employment sites for available jobs posting here locally.

    This morning there are 18 job openings posted. Of these half are temporrary or part time positions. Half are in health care. Even the health care positions half of them are temp/ part time.

    So there you go in a county with over a hundred thousand residents and anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 unemployed people there are nine (9) posted jobs that can conceivably supply even the barest living to someone.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  141. Load Me Another
    November 23, 2011 at 10:28 am

    If people do not know how to secure employment, are clueless about resumes, networking, and marketing themselves, who is responsible for their incompetence? Employers choose “the best candidate,” not just anyone who walks in the door. Having interviewed many for various positions, I’ve seen an array of those who are sharp and prepared and those who are total dumbshits. If you choose to be a dumbshit, have no skills (especially people skills), and make all the hiring mistakes, why should you be hired? I respect those who try to help themselves, show me the effort, have desire, etc, and I have gone out on a limb for some of them. Those who don’t care, are offensive during interviews, think they deserve a job just by walking into the building, and scratch their heads over the outcomes have nothing left but to scream “the man did it to me.” BTW, I got through school working a “crazy and impossible” schedule. Where there’s a will…

  142. Load Me Another
    November 23, 2011 at 10:32 am

    And, if you rely soley on job postings to secure employment, you’re limiting yourself. It’s amazing what you’ll discover when you guerilla market yourself. Be willing to beat down a few doors and you’ll eventually discover some pleasant suprises.

  143. November 23, 2011 at 10:34 am

    That is one hell of a ‘load’ of self-concern attitude. 10:28
    Just look the other way while those not as worthy as you
    might have trouble putting food on their plates.

    Follow it through Load, you want to live like that?

  144. November 23, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Having hired over 700 people myself and having interviewed thousands more that I didn’t hire I have some sympathy for what you are saying from the employers point of view, Load Me Another.

    You are either missing (or intentionally ignoring) the fact that there are nine (9) jobs available for thousands of uemployed people. Presumably half of thouse thousands will be adequately groomed to meet your standards, but what about the 2,499 who meet your standards but for whom there are no jobs?

    As far as using the online sources to find a job, well it is obvious that you haven’t visited the state employment office anytime in the last five years.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  145. Plain Jane
    November 23, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I’m sure Load only gets 1 qualified applicant for each job listing and all those he doesn’t hire are just losers with only themselves to blame for not getting the job. They should ALL have been the #1 applicant.

  146. martha
    November 23, 2011 at 10:45 am

    LMA I couldn’t agree more. I have never had any problem finding a good job in Humboldt. That also goes for everyone I know.

    The applicants for most jobs are a joke. Maybe this is a failure of our education system, or of our social system that has so many kids growing up without a stable family home.
    But if you can’t get a job, you don’t have the connections after growing up in this county, if you don’t understand that dressing for an interview is a good idea, or even showing up sober, there is no one else to blame but yourself.

    Good point about skills..what are our schools teaching?

  147. Load Me Another
    November 23, 2011 at 10:56 am

    My point is yes the job market is rough, but there still is hope. I’d rather cling to hope than despair. I have often hired the #2, #3, or #4 candidates due to the their sincerity, desire, and heart. I once passed over an incredibly qualified candidate on paper and went with one having weaker skills. Being the best fit in an organization doesn’t mean you’re necessarily #1 in the pool of applicants. Employers often go with their gut when hiring and considering the best fit. Just like great customer service can often overcome bad food in a restaurant, so too in an interview- show heart, drive, and desire. Highboltage can probably attest to that.

  148. November 23, 2011 at 10:58 am

    One thing I have noticed since I moved here five years ago is that most of the local “conservatives” if they are employed, they are employed by the government. Simply put they use their local family ties to obtain a sinecure in government employment. This should not be a surprise in a county that has one of the most highly socialist economies in California. Over 30% of all employment in Humboldt is government work, and a huge amount more depends and derives directly from government contracts.

  149. November 23, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I remember once I was interviewing to hire a keno runner. I made it a practice to grant an in person interview to any person who had the courage to fill out an application. I felt that I owed it to that person. A young black woman showed up for the interview, she had no real work experience but she was pleasant, of above average intelligence, probably a good hire but there was one problem. She showed up wearing some torn blue jeans and some flip flops. I told her straight up. I want to hire you. Go home and dress like you want a job and come back. She did and I hired her. I don’t regret it.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  150. November 23, 2011 at 11:54 am

    The superior man understands what is right; the inferior
    man understands what will sell.

  151. November 23, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “The Duke Ai asked, saying, “What should be done in order to secure the submission of the people?” Confucius replied, “Advance the upright and set aside the crooked, then the people will submit. Advance the crooked and set aside the upright, then the people will not submit.””

    – Kung Fu-tse, the Analects 500 B. C.
    http://classics.mit.edu/Confucius/analects.1.1.html

  152. Anonymous
    November 23, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I have noticed that my relatives who have good work ethics somehow find work and a way to support themselves and those who are damaged in some way struggle forever. Won’t look, drink or take drugs, or just play video games, depressed. Those who get out there find something, something! Even minimum wage will keep you in a cheap apt. Have done it.

  153. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Right, not talking about those who (even ineptly) try to get some sort of employment. I am talking about those who will not work, can’t stand the thought of going to work every day, but do find a way to get assistance, eat pizza or fast food every night. Can’t pay the rent but manage to buy cigarettes. Don’t apply for jobs of any sort. I think there is a lot of depression over failed dreams, giving up, that sort of thing. And dependancy on substances.

  154. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 7:33 am

    While it probably makes some of you feel safer and some of you feel superior to claim that everyone who wants a job can find one, it’s just delusional. I personally know a 62 year old man with a college degree who has been unemployed through no fault of his own for over a year. He has never been unemployed before, has no substance abuse or mental problems, but can’t find a job of any sort for any pay. I know young people who can’t find more than one very part-time job, if that, and can’t find another part-time job or go to school because they don’t have regular hours amenable to working another part-time job or going to school. Back in the “good ole days” bosses were more cooperative but today they don’t have to accommodate their workers in any way to keep the positions filled.

    Spouting personal myths about how you managed to support yourself and go to school in other times are irrelevant in today’s job market. Read the friggin business news about how businesses don’t want to hire older unemployed or over-qualified people because they’ll leave when something better is available. When you have millions of unemployed and hundreds of thousands entering the job market every year with only thousands of jobs being created, blaming the unemployed is ignorant; and it’s a lot more comfortable than recognizing that you could be next. Once you have lost your job, you will be one of those that people like you don’t care about because it must be your fault.

    Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

  155. November 24, 2011 at 7:43 am

    The official unemployment rate in Humboldt County is over 10%, officially there are over 6,300 unemployed workers in Humboldt County.

    So Anon @ 659 what percentage of these are the slackers that you describe and what percentage do you imagine are people who are ready and willing to work but simply have no work available?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  156. November 24, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Anonymous 6:59 must look at unemployment figures as an indication of how lazy or ambitious any given population is. “Looks like Spain is 12% lazier than they were four years ago. Tsk, tsk.”

  157. Down the Road
    November 24, 2011 at 11:52 am

    PJ: I read your response to my supplemental insurance. I haven’t
    read the rest of your rants. Medical costs and you know this, have
    increased not because of old people, but because of the 11 million
    illegal aliens in the United States, many of whom use our emergency rooms for doctor visits. You forgot to mention the
    fraud that is going on in Medical, Medicare and Worker’s Compensation. The fraud is committed by the drs. & the public.

    People like myself paid into the system for years. Right now I am
    paying for a drug prescription plan mandated by government. I
    take no prescription drugs. I know I am paying for someone else.
    That is the way the system is.

    To imply that we take too many beds and there should be more for
    poor people — Are you suggesting it should be illegal to get old?

    How many jobs do you think 11 million illegal aliens take? Lots &
    lots. Look to your government. They are allowing companies to
    hire illegals and they are allowing corporations to import workers
    as in engineers from all over. They allow the corps. to say no
    legal engineers are available. Look whose rebuilding Iraq. The
    American corps. are recruiting from everywhere except home.

    Plain Jane: I do have respect for some non-profits. Using the
    Cancer Society as one. Most of the non-profits up here are
    self serving. They have found a way to get grant money and
    donations to support themselves. I suspect you are one of
    these people. You think the rest of us should support you and
    yours.

  158. November 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Down The Road,

    The claim that hospitals are being hurt by excessive emergency visits is totally phoney. The hospitals want to force people into emergency, because they can charge 10x as much for emergency room service as they can for service in a clinic. If this was really a concern hospitals would build non-emergency clinics and make them available to low income people.

    Also it needs to be pointed out that the Obama administration has deported more undocumented people by far than the Bush Administration ever did. So you are completely misinformed on that point. Personally I wish Obama would let up on these people because I think they have a right to be here.

    I do feel your pain though, things aren’t right, we just have to come to the truth on what is really wrong.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  159. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Your suspicions, like your interpretation of what I posted, are wrong, DTR. I didn’t imply that anyone takes too many beds or that there should be fewer for old people or more for poor people. There should be enough beds for everyone regardless of their ability to pay. If there is fraud it should be prosecuted whether it is by provider or patient. Another plus for universal insurance is it would reduce incentive for providers and need for patients to commit fraud.

    The fact remains that insured people (or their insurance) pay lower costs for health care than do people who pay their own medical bills – 44 to 65% less. Using just Medicare as an example because it falls in between private insurance and Medi-Cal for percent of payment, if you increase the number of beds used by Medicare patients (which increasing the percent of retirees undeniably does) the price for beds for the uninsured (no contract) has to increase or the hospital loses money. Do a little reading on hospital cost shifting for more in depth explanation.

  160. Down the Road
    November 25, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Bill: By law an emergency room cannot turn down anyone.
    That is why the illegal aliens go to them and use them for
    non-emergency purposes. To say they want people to go to
    emergency rooms so they can charge more is untrue. Emergency
    rooms in high illegal alien neighborhoods are going broke. Check
    your facts.

    PJ: It is true that Medicare has cost limitations. It is also true that
    the hospitals charge insurance companies more on some patients,
    while billing less for the uninsured. The need for universal insurance is not been argued. The methodology to your fact
    finding is.

  161. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Bill posted a link above to an in-depth study which contradicts your statement, DTR. The fact is that hospitals bill the same for everything regardless of insurance status, but write off large amounts immediately for those with private insurance contracts, Medicare and Medi-Cal coverage so the result is that responsible uninsured patients (or patients without a contracting insurance) pay more than anyone else for care despite their original charges being the same as the rest.

  162. November 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    “Medical costs and you know this, have increased … because of the 11 million illegal aliens in the United States…”

    No, we don’t “know this,” because it is utter horse shit.

  163. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    In one sense, health care is a victim of it’s own success. Medical advancements which prolong life at great expense are bankrupting the healthy. Cost / benefit choices are hard in health care, but not making them is going to collapse the system. Personally, I’d rather have elected representatives making those choices than for-profit corporations, but opinions differ.

  164. November 25, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Down the Road consider Alabama. The article is a little lengthy but read it please.

    The Consequences When Three Elements Collided
    Submitted by testosteronepit on 11/25/2011 13:58 -0500

    China Daimler European Union Germany Japan Mercedes-Benz Toyota

    By Wolf Richter http://www.testosteronepit.com

    Detlev Hager, a German executive of Daimler AG in the US on a business trip, was driving his rental car to the Mercedes-Benz manufacturing plant near Tuscaloosa, Alabama, when he was pulled over by a police officer. The tag on his rental car had expired. When the police officer asked to see his driver’s license, he didn’t have it on him. He’d forgotten it at his hotel. So he produced his German federal I.D. card, the only document required to cross borders in the 27-country European Union. It identifies his citizenship as “Deutsch.” Could he prove that he was in the US legally?

    Off to the hoosegow. His passport with the immigration form I-9 and airport stamp was at the hotel along with his driver’s license. Under Alabama’s tough new immigration law, HB56, a police officer has to check the immigration status of traffic scofflaws (driving a vehicle with an expired tag, driving without a driver’s license). Sure, it would have been easier and cheaper to accompany the foreign gentleman to his hotel room, politely check his passport and driver’s license, apologetically write up a warning, and go on with life. But that’s not what the law had in mind. No discrimination, just because the guy had a German accent, rather than, say, a Spanish accent. Same treatment for all.

    Alas, Mercedes-Benz employs 3,000 people at its plant—a big number for Tuscaloosa’s metro area of only 219,000 residents—and has plans to invest another $2 billion in the state by 2014. Its decision in 1993 to build a production plant there was partly motivated by ultra-low wages in the state. Subsequently, Honda, Hyundai, and Toyota also built assembly plants there. And about 350 automotive-related manufacturers have sprouted up around them.

    The arrest of the Mercedes-Benz executive threw a pall over Alabama’s efforts to court foreign companies with tax incentives, low wages, and agreeable union laws. Already, the state’s financial reputation was bruised badly when Jefferson County declared bankruptcy on November 9.

    And the new immigration law is highly controversial: parts of it—schools having to check the immigration status of students and parents, for example—have been crushed in Federal Court; other provisions are still tangled up in court. The intention of the law is to keep illegal immigrants out and reserve their jobs for Americans or legal immigrants. It’s a crowd-pleaser for the Republican base, and almost all Republican legislators voted for it. The law soon began accomplishing what it was designed to do: fearful illegal immigrants looked for greener pastures elsewhere, and incoming waves were having second thoughts.

    The side effects were immediate: it put the Republican Party at loggerheads … with itself. Its most munificent supporter, the business community, began screaming. They were losing their unlimited supply of cheap workers who were in no position to complain about anything—the ideal workforce. Business leaders griped about labor shortages—instead of raising wages and benefits to where they’d be attractive to Americans or legal immigrants. And now, to top it off, the arrest of a perfectly legal executive of one of the most prestigious companies in the world, who’d forgotten his passport and driver’s license at the hotel!

    The status-quo media used the incident to fire off a broadside against HB56. And suddenly, widespread Republican flip-flopping has broken out. Their conundrum: they don’t want their largest donors to turn off the spigot, but outright repeal, which would infuriate their rank and file, isn’t in the cards either.

    Using the hapless Detlev Hager to attack the law, however, is silly. If the law should be attacked, it should be for the right reasons. Hager was driving without driver’s license, which might have gotten him in trouble in any state—it certainly would have in Germany. And as well-traveled executive, he should have known to have his passport on him. Even Mercedes-Benz admitted as much when it commented that it would educate its people better on what documents to carry in Alabama. Which is always the easiest solution: just observe the law.

    Meanwhile, the charge against Hager was dismissed after he produced his passport in municipal court, and Mercedes-Benz spokeswoman Felyicia Jerald told reporters that he’d returned to Germany. No doubt, getting arrested the American way was an experience he’ll never forget. And the police officer? I can’t help but think that he was trying to make a point.

    In what may be a precursor of a monumental shift, Toyota and Honda are planning to export US-made vehicles to South Korea; it’s cheaper to produce cars in Alabama and ship them halfway around the world than it is to produce them in Japan. But to what banana-republic levels will the dollar and real wages have to sink before US manufacturing is competitive with China? The Price of Hope in the Mayhem of American Manufacturing.

    Wolf Richter http://www.testosteronepit.com

  165. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Joel, if you don’t think free health care to 11 million illegals has anything to do with out of control health care costs, you sadly have your head in the sand.

  166. Dan
    November 25, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Anon 5:57 A health plan can not work if eleven million
    vectors of disease are among us.
    You have a problem? Address those who hire the undocumented,
    who invariably privatize their profits while socializing costs.

    Simply go after the profiteers, deny no one health care Draco.

  167. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    There are those like Plain Jane and Joel that don’t want anyone to burst their naive ultra liberal bubble. They will argue for anything they think is politically correct.

  168. November 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Instead of just making a thoughtless, blanket statement, be specific, you intellectual sad sack.

    If undocumented immigrants add significantly to the costs of our health care, then provide some evidence.

  169. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    What’s killing America? U.S. ranks 28th in life expectancy (lower than Chile and Greece) while it pays the MOST for health care

    The U.S. healthcare system is more effective at delivering high costs than quality care than other developed nations, according to the study, conducted by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD.

    It found first-rate treatment for cancer but insufficient primary care for other ailments.

    The study said Americans pay more than $7,900 per person for healthcare each year – far more than any other OECD country – but still die earlier than their peers in the industrialized world.

    The cost of healthcare in the United States is 62 percent higher than that in Switzerland, which has a similar per capita income and also relies substantially on private health insurance.

    Meanwhile, Americans receive comparatively little actual care, despite sky-high prices driven by expensive tests and procedures.
    They also spend more tax money on healthcare than most other countries, the study showed.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065548/U-S-ranks-28th-life-expectancy-pay-MOST-health-care.html#ixzz1emE5N49N

    The answer is, of course, lack of medical care for diseases which are preventable and / or much more cost effectively treated in early stages caught by regular health care as opposed to postponed until there are alarming symptoms and the tax payers pick up very big tabs with poor outcomes.

  170. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Working in a hospital, one sees who uses the health system for free, and illegal aliens are one group, in addition to the masses of those who simply cannot afford it. It is obvious to anyone who works in the system who is causing the prices to go up for everyone. Someone has to pay for this, somehow, somewhere. It is the taxpayer and those who have cash and medical insurance. Who else do you think pays for it?

  171. November 26, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Like I said, Anonymous, provide some evidence. Your keen powers of anecdotal observation simply aren’t convincing.

    The health care systems in other developed countries cover everyone, regardless of ability to pay, they provide better care, and they’re less expensive than our shitty system.

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