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Happy Thanksgiving

Cheers, readers, and thank you for visiting, posting comments and emailing tips to the Humboldt Herald. We hope your day is full of friends, family, food and festivity.

For those who would like to Occupy Thanksgiving, Arcata’s Dave Meserve offers the following:

People will be gathering for a Thanksgiving Feast at the Humboldt County Courthouse, between noon and 4pm. Please come sometime between noon and 2pm. Dinner will be served at about two, and everyone is welcome. We will be barbecuing turkey on site and bringing dishes to share. Tables and extra chairs would help.

Come to support Occupy Eureka, Occupy Arcata and Occupy Humboldt, and come if you’re hungry, or come just to enjoy a Thanksgiving meal together.

  1. Walt
    November 24, 2011 at 9:30 am

    “Be grateful for luck, pay the thunder no mind, listen to the birds, and don’t hate nobody.”

    Hubert “Eubie” Blake

  2. November 24, 2011 at 9:36 am

    I think I get it. They want to try and get the police to break up this supposed Thanksgiving dinner?

  3. Guest
    November 24, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Walmart has taken a page out of Rob Arkley’s big box playbook


  4. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 10:17 am

    The day you ever “get” anything will be a day to be thankful for, Fred.

    Dave Meserve and Occupy, I am thankful that there are caring people like you in our community.

  5. Gold Finger
    November 24, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Nah, it would be cheaper for Wal-Mart just to bribe the city council with $30,000.

    OOOP silly little me, they probably already have….

  6. Thanksgiver
    November 24, 2011 at 10:28 am

    “I think I get it.”

    No, Fred. As usual, you don’t get it.

  7. SNaFU
    November 24, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Hey Dave; ya better have your county environmental health mandatory stainless steel kitchen sink on site with the appropriate restroom facilities….. or your permit will be revoked! Don’t forget to wear sterilized gloves while serving.

  8. Load Me Another
    November 24, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Salmonella outbreak anyone?

  9. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 10:33 am

    I’m also thankful I’m not Snafu or Load of Shit.

  10. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 10:40 am

    For a change, Fred DOES get it.

  11. Load Me Another
    November 24, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Ahem…pass the pepper please…

  12. Occupy Fred
    November 24, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Fred they say that Occupy is lacking leaders, and you need a job.

    With tactical skills like yours there is a future for you. Assume the position.

  13. 69er
    November 24, 2011 at 10:58 am

    No thank you I’ll prepare my own and serve to my own. Not interested in mingling with a bunch of rabble rousers,

  14. November 24, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Correct me if I am incorrect, but aren’t open flames illegal in Eureka.
    How can they bbq a turkey but the average “traveler” gets a ticket for a camp stove?

  15. November 24, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Fred….I think I get it.
    Maybe you want to get the police to break-up this “supposed Thanksgiving dinner.”
    The Police and the Protesters are one and the same.
    When context is manipulated (by Fred and others) and the Police, who appear to possess zero sense of history, again forget who they are working for- and out comes the spray,the club, the 3AM, the papered-windows- the Q-tips, the hard-on, utter disregard, bullyboy divisiveness.

    A haunting post by Tra, quoting Hannah Arendt- on the banality of evil that Edward S.Herman sums as;
    “doing terrible things in an organized and systematic way rests on ‘normalization.’ This is the process whereby ugly, degrading, murderous, and unspeakable acts become routine and are accepted as ‘the way things are done.”

    Beautiful day for a Occupy Thanksgiving.
    I hope I see Murl and Domino and Fred breaking bread
    in a thankful loving expression of what a healthy, accepting
    community might look like.

  16. Eve's Aplet
    November 24, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Nah open flames can’t be illegal in Eureka.

    I saw Rex Bohn cooking some oysters over an open flame right there on the sidewalk. When was that?
    I might even have video.

    He used a little pepper but the barbecue nazis didn’t pepper spray him. He might have cried.

  17. November 24, 2011 at 11:48 am

    How can they bbq a turkey but the average “traveler” gets a ticket for a camp stove?

    They want to create an incident, but I don’t think EPD will bite.

  18. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Fred, please go spoil another thread on Thanksgiving day. Your hateful, cynical view of the motives of people just trying to share a little holiday cheer with others is a real downer. You must be one of the unhappiest people on earth.

  19. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    “How can they bbq a turkey but the average “traveler” gets a ticket for a camp stove?”

    Mark Sailors is still smarting from the licking Dave Meserve gave him in the last Arcata city council election. Poor Mark came in dead last even receiving fewer votes than three plazoid candidates!

  20. High Finance
    November 24, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Fred, you got “it” just fine.

    If Meserve really wanted to help he would have done so quietly and without notice. This is all about publicity. Publicity in order to accomplish what people might ask ?

    Nothing. It is all about getting in the media and having a fun time.

    PJ, there was more hate in your posts, in Goldfinger’s, in PolicePoultry’s and in Eve’s Aplet’s post than was in Fred’s.

  21. November 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I did not run to win, I ran to raise awareness of the issues and to make sure that they were talked about. Anyone that “really” wanted to win would never say ” vote for anyone of us and it is a good choice.”

    Frankly Dave would do a decent job, even though, in my opinion, he already had his chance.

    When I run again, it won’t be with under 150 dollars, and no staff.

  22. November 24, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    P.J. writes, “Your hateful, cynical view of the motives of people just trying to share a little holiday cheer with others is a real downer.

    Oh, really? Did you happen to go by the courthouse and see what was going on? I did.

    A bunch of cops there when I drove up around one o’clockish and at least one guy was being led to the area of the cop cars. Didn’t seem to be handcuffed. I suspect they just wanted to talk to him away from the crowd. Some others followed and one looked like he was trying to record what was going on with a phone or video cam.

    A whole bunch of signs out, but nobody seemed to be inside the barricades and I didn’t see any tents. The signs seemed to run the gamut of left wing causes: Single payer, Out of Iraq. There was one big one that said something like “Cooking is not a crime”.

    And there was the dumb fk standing on the sidewalk with the big sign that said something like, “I Hate This Government and I’m Not Gonna Take It Anymore“. You can bet he voted for every big government candidate every time he voted. I just flipped him off.

    Went back to work and returned about 45 minutes later. I guess EPD didn’t bite, which is good as I didn’t want to be wrong about that. Crowd seemed to have thinned quite a bit but a lot of signs still up. I’d guess no more than 15 people this time with maybe twice that many the first time.

    Nothing I could see about Thanksgiving, but maybe I missed it? A couple tables up. People could have been eating. I couldn’t tell.

    There was the guy on the corner of I and 5th standing there using a traffic cone as a bullhorn. He seemed to be yelling at some older guy that was standing on my side of the street waiting to cross over to the courthouse side. All I could hear of the guy yelling was something about murder or murdering people. I’m guessing that was something about Afghanistan? The guy waiting to cross the street looked to me like he didn’t know what to think.

    Drove home after that. Kicking myself in the head for not taking my camera. Maybe I could have done a “Zombie” of the event? Then again, then I would have had to get out of my truck to take pictures.

  23. Mark Sailors
    November 24, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Just got word police breaking up turkey day at court house. More to come…

  24. Mark Sailors
    November 24, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    At the court now, nothing going on but people eating…

  25. Not A Native
    November 24, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Oh yeah Hi Fi. Just another backhand partisan swipe.

    When YOUR ‘approved’ donators(Arkley, Bohn, et. al.) contribute their time/money very publically and loudly, you champion that as proof they’re bringers of good things and fit for leadership.

    Fact is, you don’t care at all about contributions, you care only about who gets credit.

  26. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I was there when the cops came for the second time. There were 4 EPD squad cars and some sheriff’s deputies. So there were maybe a dozen police there to tear down signs hung on the fence. The Occupiers took most down themselves before the police could destroy them. Putting signs on the fence-now that’s a real crime, isn’t it? First, the county worries about the state of the grass and now the EPD has to protect the chain link fence while more and more Americans slip into poverty. Is this what Eurekans pay taxes for?
    There were up to 40 people there and after a few toasts and poems we all enjoyed a GREAT dinner of turkey, dressing, cranberries, salads, pies, apple cider. We even had live music. I can only say we have a group of very dedicated and brave people occupying Eureka and I thank them for the personal sacrifices they’re making.
    They have a lot more class than the EPD.

  27. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Occupy Humboldt County

    The Occupy movement has awakened us to something we all knew, but hardly anybody was saying: WE HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED. Not by people in tents, but by Wall Street banks and corporations. Our elected representatives scurry to do their business. Our police are made to serve them, and treat ordinary citizens like insurgents. Our County Courthouse looks like the Green Zone because the Occupy people tried to take back a patch of lawn to say to us: wake up.

    Now that we’re awake, let’s broaden the issue beyond illegal camping and biohazards. The homeless among the Occupy groups deserve our strongest support and recognition of their basic human rights. People wrongly arrested and falsely imprisoned should have legal defense. [see humrights.org] Charges should be filed against those responsible for violence against persons and property.

    And now that we’re awake, take a look around. It’s true: we are an occupied country. Corporate dollars are protected speech and they have the dollars. We are out-gunned, out-spent, and out-voted even when we win elections.

    Now that people are awake, it’s time to find the common cause in all our causes. To find a common voice and speak common sense. Health is wealth. Ecology is economy. To restore those basic values, to re-occupy our work places and our homes and our lives, will require all of us. Young and old, working and jobless and retired, nurses and secretaries, farmers and waitresses and vets, teachers and trades people: WE ARE THE 99%.

    All are invited to a General Assembly in front of the Humboldt County Courthouse, on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. There will be speakers and music and conversation. There will be opportunities to form alliances.

    Let’s be thankful for what we’ve managed to hang on to, and celebrate what we’ve accomplished. Then let’s talk about the next move. Bring the family. Bring a friend.

    SATURDAY NOVEMBER 26, 2011 1-3

  28. November 24, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    I have an idea.

    Let’s pass an ordinance in Eureka requiring the city manager to undergo a city wide vote of confidence every 2 years at the normal election. If he or she fails the approval of the voters then their employment will be terminated with no rehire.

    That should make sense to liberal and conservative alike. Real Democratic-Republicanism doncha think?

    have a peaceful day and a great Thanksgiving!

  29. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Silly idea bill.

    Voters elect a council that is responsible for hiring/firing their city manager – if the people were as tired of the current cm as you’d like to think they were, they would have brought Larry Glass back; instead Larry was soundly spanked – seems like a big thumbs up for the current cm.

  30. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Further, if that’s the system you do want, then do away with the city manager form of city govt and go for the strong mayor system. Makes more sense.

  31. Hooters Flowers
    November 24, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    I think in our current situation we better go for a smart mayor system even before we go for a strong mayor system. If you get my drift.

  32. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Yeah, I get your drift; the current mayor doesn’t share the same political beliefs you do, therefore he must not be smart…

    I’d bet he’s a helluva lot smarter than you hootie.

  33. November 24, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Well what say you Democrats?

    You know a good initiative issue drives people to the ballot. A good initiative issues drives up voter registration.

    I would welcome any good ideas for Eureka, Arcata and Humboldt initiatives.

    One thing that Democrats and independent lefts like me can agree on is that higher voter turnout is good for our side. Lower voter turnout is good for their side.

    have a peaceful day,

  34. November 24, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I can only say we have a group of very dedicated and brave people occupying Eureka and I thank them for the personal sacrifices they’re making.They have a lot more class than the EPD.

    I guess that means this supposed Thanksgiving dinner was a political event? I feel vindicated.

  35. Hooters Flowers
    November 24, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I’m a Republican, dumb a–. Just like Frank, just like you.

    I would be thrilled if Frank was half as smart as Virginia.

    At least he does what he’s told.

  36. November 24, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    “I guess that means this supposed Thanksgiving dinner was a political event? I feel vindicated.” F. Mangels 5:39

    NO one vindicated you. Where the hell are you getting these impressions? Deluded.

  37. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “I guess that means this supposed Thanksgiving dinner was a political event?”

    No, Fred, it was an event to feed politically active people.

  38. November 24, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    it was an event to feed politically active people.

    Uh, huh. In other words, a political event. Thanks.

  39. SmokeMonster
    November 24, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Jager is an idiot plain and simple annon 5:11.

    Find me another mayor of a city/county seat the size of Eureka that is too incompetent to comprehend and use E-mail in the year 2011.

    People need to quit making excuses for imbeciles like him and Murl.

    The ’50’s ended a long time ago,this truly is no country for old men

  40. SmokeMonster
    November 24, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Mark S. can’t pass on any comment aimed his way,which shows his true ego.
    Guys like that don’t earn or receive respect in or out of the Do-Jo regardless of what they put in their own head.

    Your right you will have your own $150.00 and that $1,000.00 that murl owes you to spend next election to promote your issues that no one remembers or listens to.

    Congratulations!! Go make some more citizens arrests,snitch/wanna be policeman

  41. tra
    November 24, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t see why it’s a question of either/or.

    Yes, it was a political event:

    Come to support Occupy Eureka, Occupy Arcata and Occupy Humboldt…

    And, yes, at the same time, it was also about helping to feed the hungry:

    …. and come if you’re hungry, or come just to enjoy a Thanksgiving meal together.

    I assume that many people who showed up supported both aspects of the event, while some others just needed a hot meal. I’m glad they got it.

  42. Plain Jane
    November 24, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    It wasn’t the issue of whether it was a political event that was in question. It was that Fred claimed it’s purpose was to incite the police to break it up that was the issue. See 2nd post in this thread.

  43. Anonymous
    November 24, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    The Occupy Movement is a joke, a bunch of losers.

    Dave is just a burned out wanna be “hippie”.

    PM, part of the real 99%

  44. November 25, 2011 at 7:37 am

    “Your right you will have your own $150.00 and that $1,000.00 that murl owes you to spend next election to promote your issues that no one remembers or listens to.”

    Learn to spell.
    When used that way, it is spelled “you’re”, not “your”.
    You’re is short for “you are” it is a contraction. Your is the possessive form of “you”.
    As in “you’re a waste of air” and “your mom should have aborted you.”

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste…
    nuff said.

  45. Happy Face
    November 25, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Hey Mark,

    Why don’t you ask Betsy to do an on air editorial about the $1,000 that Murl Harpham owes you? I am sure she will do it since you are her biggest defender. Right? Betsy is an honorable person I am sure she will help you in your quest for the truth.

  46. November 25, 2011 at 8:03 am

    I am not a “wanna be” policeman, if that was the job I wanted I would be doing it.

    I hold 4 above black belt level ranks in Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, American Kenpo, and Ninpo Taijutsu, and have been studying marital arts for over 34 years continuously.

    Anyone has the right to affect a citizens arrest.

    And as to people “remembering my issues”,they were, the illegality of Arcata medical cannabis ordinance, and it opening the city staff to prosecution, lets see, that’s been all over the news…as well as a homeless camp…(occupy has been all over that one), a public restroom in Arcata…that’s been an issue recently too. There were others as well, but i don’t want to “feed the trolls” so…

  47. November 25, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Happy Face,
    As of right now, the person that was beaten is pursuing a civil rights lawsuit against EPD, as such I am letting them use the footage.
    Sometime this week I will be presenting Murl with the footage, and my request for my $1000.
    We will see how it goes.
    Also, I think I will email Betsy about this, you never know what will happen…right…

  48. November 25, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Also, Check my blog, MarkSailorsArcataNow, later today for an in depth interview with Hans Ashbaucher, he contacted me on his way home from jail and gave me an exclusive hour long interview on his arrest, injury and treatment at the hands of EPD.

  49. Wendel Peter Sans
    November 25, 2011 at 8:14 am

    OMG we can’t let Murl handle this all by himeslf! Let’s raise a thousand quick so he won’t be financially devastaed at this holiday season!

    email me at goodoleboy@corrupted.ci.net

  50. martha
    November 25, 2011 at 9:01 am

    OMG MarkSailors!!!! I have a masters Degree…IN BLACK BELT!!
    I have no idea who you are but that post is hilarious! And you are criticizing spelling on the internets? SRSLY?
    Are you 12?

  51. martha
    November 25, 2011 at 9:03 am

    ps Mark Sailors…take a few lessons in sentence structure, your posts are almost unreadable.
    Semi colons are your friend!

  52. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Martha is a spinning troll, probably one of the cracked Mirror denizens.

  53. martha
    November 25, 2011 at 9:21 am

    “lets see, that’s been all over the news”: Mark Sailors

    Did you mean “let’s see” as in let us?

    I quote you; “learn to spell”

  54. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 9:43 am

    SRSLY????? Are YOU 12? This blog is for people interested in discussing issues, not pre-teenage trolls looking for the attention they can’t get from daddy.

  55. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Mark Sailors was spanked a couple of weeks ago by Kevin Hoover, who criticized Mark’s spelling! Turns out that Mark was interfering with a police action. Sailors lied and said he was a reporter for the Arcata Eye, something Hoover refuted in the Arcata Eye crime report.

  56. What Now
    November 25, 2011 at 11:35 am


    “Learn to spell.
    When used that way, it is spelled “you’re”, not “your”.
    You’re is short for “you are” it is a contraction. Your is the possessive form of “you”.
    As in “you’re a waste of air” and “your mom should have aborted you.”

    Just what The Herald needed!
    An official 4th Degree Blackbelt in “Spell Check”.

  57. November 25, 2011 at 11:49 am

    “8:58 a.m. After attempting to take pictures at a traffic stop, a bike cabbie complained that an officer stopped him from doing so by shining a light at the camera and blinding it. The officer erroneously hampered the cabbie’s orderly acquisition of photons while attempting to honor the privacy request of the person he had stopped. The cabbie erroneously identified himself as working for the Arcata Eye and Times-Standard, and fired off a testy, misspelling-laden e-mail with a tendentious account of the crisis to everyone and his brother before talking to his supposed editors about it as an actual reporter would do. The mayor later sent him a calming letter.”

    Mark Sailors
    November 18, 2011 at 9:07 am

    To whom it may concern,

    I just wanted to clarify in case I have been unclear, or what I have said has been misinterpreted.

    I am an INDEPENDENT journalist.
    I am a stringer for multiple newspapers and contribute to every, and any local and or national news outlet that I can.
    I do not SPECIFICALLY work for the Arcata Eye, nor the Times Standard, nor KIEM.

    If I gave anyone that impression, I apologize.

    In journalism, a stringer is a type of freelance journalist or photographer who contributes reports or photos to a news organization on an ongoing basis but is paid individually for each piece of published or broadcast work.

    As freelancers, stringers do not receive a regular salary and the amount and type of work is typically voluntary. However, stringers often have an ongoing relationship with one or more news organizations, to which they provide content on particular topics or locations when the opportunities arise.

    The term is typically confined to news industry jargon, and in print or in broadcast terms, stringers are sometimes referred to as correspondents or contributors. At other times, they may not receive any public recognition for the work they have contributed.

    A reporter or photographer can “string” for a news organization in a number of different capacities and with varying degrees of regularity, so that the relationship between the organization and the stringer is typically very loose. When it is difficult for a staff reporter or photographer to reach a location quickly for breaking news stories, larger news organizations often rely on local stringers to provide rapid scene descriptions, quotations or photos. In this capacity, stringers are used heavily by most television news organizations and some print publications for video footage, photos, and interviews.


    The etymology of the word is uncertain. Newspapers once paid stringers per inch of printed text they generated, and one theory says the length of this text was measured against a string. The theory given in the Oxford English Dictionary is that a stringer is a person who strings words together, while others use the term because the reporter is “strung along” by a news organization, or kept in a constant state of uncertainty. Another possibility is that the journalist is seen as a “second stringer” where as the staff positions are more of the “first string.”

    Again I want to stress this point:

    I do not speak for nor do I intend to speak for The Arcata Eye,The Times Standard, nor KIEM.

    I do not speak for the editors of any of these organization either.
    Any impression I gave to the contrary was unintentional and a mistake.

    I am paid by the piece, I am under NO CONTRACTUAL arraignment with anyone in regards to photography, or journalism , except my blog MarkSailorsArcataNow,and retain any and all rights to my written words, my photographs and videos.

    Thank you.
    Mark Sailors

  58. November 25, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    As The New York Times editorialized this Thanksgiving, “One in three Americans—100 million people—is either poor or perilously close to it.”

    A bummer of a message, I know, until I think of those pepper-sprayed college students linking arms, and of all the Americans, young, old and between, who have occupied their minds with a challenge—that it doesn’t have to be this way. For their brave spirit of resistance we should be most grateful this Thanksgiving.

  59. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    “SRSLY????? Are YOU 12? This blog is for people interested in discussing issues, not pre-teenage trolls looking for the attention they can’t get from daddy”

    This from someone who regularly calls those she disagrees with when “discussing issues” traitors?

    Someone whose standard response is to tell others to “GFYS”?

    As she so often says, LMSAO.


  60. November 25, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    2:21 This isn’t about PJ. Nor is it about who spanked who.
    Concepts, ideas is what I am here for, not spite.
    I am not dyed in the wool, I am a researcher, you want to
    impress me? Make a point.
    And….how old are you? If there is an adult
    near, maybe you could have them weigh in.

  61. High Finance
    November 25, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    What you must try and understand Scheer, is that the NY Times is grading poverty on a curve.

    The poor today are far, far better off than the middle class was even a few decades ago. In many ways, the poor in America are better off than the middle class is in most of the countries in the world today.

  62. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Who let the trolls out? Is the mirror down?

  63. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Typically, Jane can’t respond when presented the truth and resorts to her usual name calling.

  64. Plain Jane
    November 25, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    What truth is that 4:38? I saw insults and HiFi’s lecture about the relativity of poverty, nothing that required a thoughtful response. Pointing out the increase in troll traffic isn’t an insult, it’s an observation. I think it shows you’re getting nervous, venturing into the Herald so you can spew your bile anonymously then skitter away like Koch-roaches.

  65. November 25, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “What you must try and understand Scheer, is that the NY Times is grading poverty on a curve.” HiFi

    Did HiFi really say that. Wow.
    HiFi- hunger is hunger today tomorrow and yesterday.
    Curve hunger and need for us HiFi. I am intrigued.

  66. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “The poor today are far, far better off than the middle class was even a few decades ago.”

    So the poor today are better off than there were in 1990?

    Let’s have some data HiFi to back up this absurd statement. Or are you just talking out your ass as usual?

  67. What Now
    November 25, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Poor Highly Fried.
    Doesn’t even understand that there’s a revolution of the spine occuring.
    The people are standing up.
    Ss he insists on continuing to slither around on his scaled belly, his view of the front of our shoes will forever be his lot in life .

  68. Rothbardrevolution
    November 25, 2011 at 6:05 pm

  69. Load Me Another
    November 25, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    If you’re a fringe lib loon, this where you go to get validated, a shelter of sorts for hopelessly wayward sorts whose vision of the world is cloaked with anger and hatred. At least Bolt is friendly. Reason and logic are not welcome here as it shines a strong light on the hypocrisy and insanity that rule the day. There’s no doubt Plain Jane is the alpha female yard boss on this playground (not Heraldo)as there’s no sound and reasonable opinion she won’t bully into the ground. There’s only one way, Jane’s way, or else you’re a troll- very impressive. The gang here wants a handout not a hand up. We scream, kick, and cry when our road isn’t paved with gold by the gov’t. Accountability and self responsibility are suppressed here, it’s always someone did this to me. We focus on small problems created by The Problem here, but never address The Problem. We attempt to normalize unacceptable behavior here and make it mainstream, the more insane the better. Pursuit of the American Dream is viewed as greed and selfishness. If you earn a paycheck, many have suffered and more folks are homeless because of that- the guy sleeping in his own vomit on the doorstep to your office for example, you did that to him. We love matyrs here as we bait police to arrest us and resist while calling ourselves peaceful. I’ve left out much, but it’s a pretty good synopsis of Heraldo’s Manifesto and she knows it. Again, the problem with all this is I’m right. I do enjoy disagreeing with most of you and taking all the venom you can fling while still being polite. If Heraldo didn’t surround herself with Yes Loons, well, it just wouldn’t be as much fun. Thanks Heraldo and looking forward to more holiday cheer.

  70. High Finance
    November 25, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I see that not all the nuts were out tonight with their idiotic protest signs, many were here posting insults directed towards me.

    5.37pm cannot think past his envy towards everyone who has it better than him. Otherwise he could look at his own house and see the color TV, the car in the driveway, the three bedrooms and the food in his refrigerator. Things the poor and middle class could only dream about before WWII.

    He could have thought before posting, about the fact he doesn’t have to fear the deaths or severe trauma of his children from Polio, whooping cough or flu and many other diseases. Something that everybody, rich or poor, feared not too many years ago.

    PJ, everytime anybody posts anything you cannot dispute you call them a troll. Too bad, you used to think. It is sad to see how far you haven fallen.

  71. Anonymous
    November 25, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Again Hi Fi presents no facts or references about levels of poverty now and “a few decades ago” (his original statement) – which he now spins into a statement of life over a half century ago.
    Yes, life was crappy in the middle ages too, so we should be happy to sleep in the gutter and eat at the mission?
    Is the fact that my children don’t have polio really your best defense of today’s out-of-whack capitalism that has the US sinking to the bottom of most measures of health and prosperity (of industrialized countries). Believe it or not, not everyone has their own three bedroom house with a car in the driveway and food in the frig.

    I guess Mr Potter and Scrouge are heroes in HIFI’s book. Tiny Tim should be glad he gets some boiled cabbage – what a cry baby.

  72. What Now
    November 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Jonas Salk made a point of declaring that the benfits of his research belonged to all.
    Big Pharma couldn’t disagree any more vehemently.

  73. Plain Jane
    November 26, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    HiFi said, “PJ, everytime anybody posts anything you cannot dispute you call them a troll. Too bad, you used to think. It is sad to see how far you haven fallen.”

    I’ve never called you a troll and have never refused to refute your false claims. I have no interest in disputing opinions that I’m a bitch or that pointing out typos is debate. People who post only to insult are trolls. I know it’s hard to believe that there are people I hold in more contempt for their idiocy than you, but it’s true.

  74. Anonymous
    November 27, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Can we get back to the topic? Let’s get away from personal insults and spelling corrections, super long posts. Like?

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