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Bohn moves house in prep for 2012 election

A redrawing of district boundary lines prompted Rex Bohn to change his residence in order to qualify for Jimmy Smith’s seat on the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors. Sources say moving vans were deployed this weekend.

The Bohn campaign occupied Eureka’s F Street plaza at Arts Alive! Saturday, spreading its baseball-themed glossy campaign literature — which featured faces of local Republicans and their allies — around Old Town. He’s adopted the colors orange and black in a cheap attempt to gain favor with San Francisco Giants fans.

Fear the beard.

  1. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 9:25 am

    This be different than Larry Glass how?

  2. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Insert carpetbagger insults here.

  3. December 5, 2011 at 10:15 am

    My guess, 9:25 is that Bohn seems to adhere to the wrong side of every issue for as long as I can remember.
    Sort of a ‘company man’ right, while simultaneously reaching out to populism with the 49er colors- how thoroughly Crip and Blood.

    He is a ‘one percent’ shill. Even stoops to be a mouthpiece for the grotesque pulp-mill. Have I got the right guy? Did I mention China owned the polluting mill that Rex defended? Remind Eureka that every year they had to ‘smell’ that mill, a bit of thanks goes to Rex.

  4. Outsider
    December 5, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I want an elected official that wants to improve his/her community. Not someone who wants to be a politician and is creepy “slick” to everyone.

  5. December 5, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Did I mention China owned the polluting mill that Rex defended?

    And wasted a million or more dollars on a new smoke stack that supposedly would be much less polluting before they gave up on the mill?

    And, of course, no private investors were interested in keeping the mill going for, among other things, the VoteForRex? attitude that pervades California.

  6. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 10:35 am

    As I recall we had a pulp mill around Humboldt since Rex Bohn was in grade school or junior high. You can’t really blame him for that.

    Rex moved, yes he did. But Bohn actually sold his house and moved to be living in the right area. Larry Glass got an apartment in the “correct” area and lived there only until he was elected! Not quite the same thing. And Glass only lasted one term !

  7. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Rex has lived in the First District for decades, then the county moves the line in redistricting just a wee bit and he is out. But because he has already announced his intention to run for the First District Supervisor position, to serve his home district, Rex moves a couple miles south to make sure they can’t do that redistricting so easily next time. How many of us would be willing to move just to be able to serve? Rex is the real deal. He is community minded and listens well. Thank you, Rex, for showing how devoted you are to your First District.

  8. just middle class
    December 5, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Rex is a good, hard working community minded person who has done a lot for local causes. I just bet that this blog will do its best to pick on him, but that does not change the fact that he will make a good Supervisor who represents his community, not the fringers.

  9. December 5, 2011 at 10:41 am

    listens well

    Rex has selective hearing.

  10. What Now
    December 5, 2011 at 10:41 am

    “Did I mention China owned the polluting mill that Rex defended?”
    These same owners were a self-insuring organization that failed to notify their employees several months before vacating that their emplyee insurance coverage had been cancelled.
    One local household was left with several tens of thousands of dollars in bills for cancer treatment, all acquired in good faith based on the lies and deceptions of Rex’s pulp mill buddies from The People’s republic of China.
    Now we can look forward to Rexis and his minions advocating for the export of raw materials overseas?

  11. December 5, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Just a second, Rex is not responsible for the mills existence,

    That the mill was able to survive with literally hundreds if not thousands of bad air complaints is something Rex needs to seriously consider.

    Just who the hell does Rex represent?
    The pulp mill or the people?

  12. Somewhat friendly
    December 5, 2011 at 10:48 am

    And so Rex is now responsible for every bad thing that happens to anyone anywhere in Humboldt County. And he has selective hearing?

  13. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 10:55 am

    I can’t help but wonder who your sources are that say they spotted moving vans. Do you guys have people keeping a watch on their house?

  14. December 5, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Of course. Eureka is sooooo big it takes hundreds of us to keep an eye on the local Republican base.

  15. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Rex LNG Bohn need we say more?

  16. Plain Jane
    December 5, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Jobs that pay as well as the BOS are rare around here for nonprofessionals. What is Bohn doing now?

  17. December 5, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I don’t know how he could have supported LNG terminal here, not great judgment considering the risks. There’s your sign…

  18. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 11:19 am

    fox farm fertilizer

  19. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 11:38 am

    LNG is an albatross that is rightly hung around the neck of Rex “I wanna be your leader” Bohn.

  20. Decline To State
    December 5, 2011 at 11:46 am

    He sure wants the job badly! He’ll fit right in.

  21. Jack Sherman
    December 5, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Rex Bohn should savor his 15-minutes of fame, he hasn’t a chance of winning against Patty Berg who’s done some heavy lifting for Humboldt County and Eureka.

    Bohn’s volunteerism is admirable, many in this community have been stepping-up as the local economy plummets.

    However, we can no longer sustain the infrastructure, social services, and the wealth and resource exports required by sprawl, big boxes, and foreign industry (respectively)…all of which Bohn has foolishly allied himself.

    No, he hasn’t listened to ANY of the overwhelming economic data on the negative impacts of this failed development model or the alternatives; nor has he once responded to his critics by providing his own economic data.

    Just the same old simpleton ideology that “growth is good” from Bohn’s Amen chorus, “All hail growth….”

  22. What Now
    December 5, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    “All hail growth….”

    The philosophy of cancer cells.

  23. Highly Financed
    December 5, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    The Bohn forces already prepared the language to frame Berg as the candidate who wants to “take away” their Walmart.

    Whether it’s Walmart, a non-existent Marina Center, or Eureka’s current open-ward system for voting, it’s easier to manipulate voter’s sense of “losing” something than having to read stacks of economic reports that prove otherwise.

    Local media never reports on the economics of negative impacts or public subsidized growth.

    The challenge in 2012 belongs to Berg.

  24. tra
    December 5, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Has Patty Berg actually announced she’s running, or is that still just a rumor?

  25. just middle class
    December 5, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Patty “Neely” Berg has done what heavy lifting? Her legislative record is based on assisted suicide! Just what we need, an old has been touting letting people kill themselves. Why tout her when she has not even announced? An unlikely candidate and she can not beat Bohn.
    I find it interesting that every cause in the last gazillion years seemes to be piled on Rex, good try, he is well liked and will win.

  26. tra
    December 5, 2011 at 1:10 pm


    If you didn’t think Berg a formidable contender, you wouldn’t feel the need to attack her.

  27. December 5, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    If you didn’t think Berg a formidable contender, you wouldn’t feel the need to attack her.

    Works both ways.

  28. December 5, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I’m pretty sure everyone on the right feels Rex is a VERY formidable contender for this seat.

    He may be thin on content but he’s got huge name recognition and gets tons of “nice guy” points for everything he’s done (at least SINCE he left the school yard — not such nice reports from his childhood classmates, but hey, kids will be kids!), for the community from the ball parks to the auctions and everything in between. I’ve never heard anyone questions his philanthropic commitment.

    I believe Rex in sincere in wanting to do whatever he feels will create jobs and help the economy of Humboldt County and that he figures who would know best as to what’s needed to create those jobs would be those who own the companies (Republican’s LOVE to talk about job creators as anyone who’s rich, but in this case, these mostly really are the people who do the hiring, if not actually “create” the jobs, where as the same can NOT be said for every trust fund baby, stockbroker, professional athlete and other rich f*cks who just happen to make millions of dollars a year and don’t want to pay their fair share of taxes).

    So when those of us on the left fear that Rex, if elected, would just do the bidding of the Arkley’s and Hooven’s of the county, both sides in this argument are founded in rational reasoning.

    As to Rex’s (Occupy) booth at Arts Alive, I was told that it was considerably larger the the “structure” the EPD confiscated in front of the courthouse on Nov 30th, and they were both serving the same general purpose, but I’ve not seen any visual evidence as to the actual size of the structure. I do know in the past Rex and his supporters have parked traffic directing signal trailers ( the kind owned by Mercer Fraser with a dozen yellow lights that are programable to say things like “LEFT LANE CLOSED”, or “VOTE FOR REX BOHN”) on city streets during election season, with no concern about violating any civil codes or even respecting parking space time limits, so I wouldn’t be expecting Murl to apply the law equally to his booth, as it would be applied to the Occupy Eureka folks. That’s simply not going to happen.

    As to defeating Rex Bohn, that would require a candidate whose ideas are more appealing to the voters then what ever ideas Rex is able to express. To date, I’ve not heard a lot of ideas from Rex, rather just what his objective would be which is do what he thinks will create more jobs and help the economy. In his defense, I understand he is now employed by a grow shop supplier so that does show some awareness of Humboldt’s economy!

  29. December 5, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    TO: December 5, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I agree that Rex is committed to serving in the 1st District, but I would be interested to know the terms of the sale and the loan he got, in order to make that move easier…

  30. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Right on Fred! Right on.

  31. retired guy
    December 5, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    The LNG issue, which has been raised above, seems to me to absolutely eliminate Bohn for any elective office, let alone supervisor. Anyone who thought that was a good idea doesn’t qualify for anything, period.

  32. tra
    December 5, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Works both ways.

    No doubt about that.

  33. skippy
    December 5, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    You can compare the candidate websites of Rex Bohn and Annette De Modena. They are very different individuals in terms of their personalities, education, experience, and backgrounds.

    Ms. De Modena has been attending Board of Supervisors, Planning Department, and other County and City organizations immersing herself in the knowledge, responsibilities, and the steep learning curve necessary for 1st District Supervisor. She has been seen studiously taking many notes and meeting people at the various meetings she attends.

    Mr. Bohn has been helping various community organizations with their fundraising efforts and steadfastly pulling the strings of his connections, friends, and business associates for endorsements. He has been seen shaking hands and greeting many people at the various events he attends.

    Outgoing Supervisor Jimmy Smith has wisely considered not endorsing any contender yet for the $6,360 per month position– but is likely to do so before stepping down on June 5th.

  34. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Getting ripped on at the Humboldt herald is a good sign for candidates, statistically speaking.

  35. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Richard Salzman brings up Rex Bohn’s CHILDHOOD reputation???

    As PJ would say, LMSAO…

    I don’t think Patty Berg is a shoo in should she decide to run against Rex Bohn; the district they share demographically speaking, is no Arcata; I think it would be a toss up.

  36. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    She’ll pull tons of cash from her connections from out of the area though……oh wait, the progressives wouldnt support somebody fiananced from out of the area, they vote local control (when it’s convenient).

  37. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    OMG, Patty Berg ! I’d support Mr. Potato Head over her. She may be a nice person but ………….. come on.

  38. Anonymous
    December 5, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Annette De Modena is making a committed effort to learn all that is required to fulfill the demands of this position. I know her as an excellent teacher and just ran into her today, after not seeing her for a number of years. She seems to be very enthused about her campaign and the prospect serving the community, independent of influence.

  39. Another 2 cents
    December 6, 2011 at 1:56 am

    OMG – as mentioned before – he MIGHT be a nice guy, and I don’t blame him for ALL the years of that stinking mill, but………. REALLY! Mr. ‘nice guy’ would’ve risked letting all Eureka get blown sky high for his LNG project. Anyone who’d vote for him is dumber than he is.

  40. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 8:49 am

    The backers of this candidate have been organized, no doubt. They advertised for his campaign on the back page of the Humboldt County Fair pamphlet with the baseball theme this summer. They have had their (ad nauseum) letter writing campaign going on now for months. They have bullied other contenders from running. Maybe in their minds they have a winner, BUT he did lose the Eureka City Council election to Chris Kerrigan and the 1st district is much bigger than Eureka. He will not get my vote.

  41. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Is it true DeModena is a Tea Partier? Heard that through the grapevine. I see she makes no reference to being a democrat or taking stands with any kind of specificity on issues. She’s gonna have to come clean at some point if she wants anyone to vote for her.

  42. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 9:00 am

    if elected, would just do the bidding of the Arkley’s and Hooven’s of the county

    I seriously doubt that.

  43. December 6, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Why? He does it already.

  44. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 11:27 am

    The rumor that Patty Berg would enter the race started with an early Fall telephone pole asking, “would you support Rex Bohn or Patty Berg for Supervisor”?

    A very clever deep-pocket maneuver to discourage other candidates in the race, or potential candidates from running. Bohn was never fazed by the rumor, as if he were apart of it.

    Berg needs to respond.

  45. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Telephone poles talk now?

  46. tra
    December 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    If Berg’s serious about getting into the race, I’m not sure why she hasn’t announced yet. Seems to me that if she really does intend to run, we should see an announcement soon.

  47. TimH
    December 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    That was me at 9:00 am.

    “Why? He does it already.”

    I am the only one doing any bidding around here.

  48. High Finance
    December 6, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    What frackin’ garbage. Rex is no carpet bagger like Larry Glass was. Rex has lived in the first district for many years and is only moving now because the district lines were redrawn.

    As far as his working for the Chinese company that owned the mill ? Those comments are borderline racist, shame on you that brought it up. But the company was the only chance we had to save hundreds of good paying jobs for the county as proved by the fact the mill was dismantled after the Chinese company failed.

    Then the desperate & mentally weak have to bring up the Arkley bogeyman. Anyone who thinks Rex takes orders from RA doesn’t know Rex.

    The truth is that Rex has volunteered more hours to community groups & worthy causes than all of you combined. And he has done it for many decades.

  49. December 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    As far as his working for the Chinese company that owned the mill ? Those comments are borderline racist, shame on you that brought it up.

    Pardon me? You mean to tell me that you do not see the nuance between Dutch, Japanese or German VS. Chinese ownership?

    You call me the racist? The only ‘race’ I see is a race to the bottom of the world’s labor market. Sheesh too much FOX.

  50. Harold Knight
    December 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    In other words, Rex Bohn is no more qualified than Betty Chinn.

    Fascinating to read a right-winger defending a communist dictatorship that “saved hundreds (200?) good paying jobs for the county”! Even if only briefly!

    Did they ever find what island the Chinese subsidiary was hiding worker’s pensions on?

  51. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    I like Rex, he is old schooler redneck real Humboldt County boy, probably got a little taste of all the stuff that goes on around here. He is a great advocate of the causes he believes in, kids, timber heritage etc etc etc and puts his money and his time where his mouth is. I think his heart is in the right place…BUT I also dont think he can help but being a tool for the old boys. When it comes to Land Use and the really important issues we are going to face in the next few terms as Supes, we really need to make sure that our representatives are independent thinkers that can go out gather information and use critical thinking skills to come up with the solutions that best represent the longterm health and sustainability of the WHOLE community. So put yourself in Rex’s shoes, and important vote is coming up at the BoS, there is info out there and he gets called to lunch, at the table sits, Dave, Rob, maybe Kurt or Dan, they knock a few back and carefully advise Rex about the right way to vote on this issue and the bullet points to support his vote. Could he dare even continue to seek other information? Really? You all know how it goes around here, Rex’s dyed in the wool even if he doesnt want to be.

    So far his contender…Annette De who? huh? give me a break and dont waste your money. And Patty, well god I love her of course I am a prog but again, we need independence thinkers who will approach each issue case by case, gather all the information and then work toward the longterm health and sustainability for the Whole Community.

    Im a prog, if I thought Rex was fixable I’d vote for him. I dont think he has the choice when the heat is on he’ll have no choice but to go Leonard on us…oh by the way, how’d that work out for you Jeff?

  52. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Oh yes and a classic out of towner comment

    if Buhne is Booner
    then Bohn is Boner

    I thought I’d die.

  53. Mister Miagi
    December 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    A talking horse could beat Rex Bohn for supervisor.

    But it would have to be a horse without baggage and Patti Berg has too much baggage from her legislative days. If you Democrats want to honor her service why don’t you make her chairman of the county committee?

    Rex can be beaten but you are going to have to come up with more than the usual Dem Central candidate. That isn’t working so well lately. Or haven’t you noticed?

  54. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Talking Horse my Ass Miagi, dont you guys underestimate Rex he has a lot of support, you should see the stickers at Redwood Fields. We once again have the slick graphics, the money in printing and advertising, stormy running around like …..uh… should I say it….bitch. Yeah Stormy your their Bitch. Hell they got BRADY elected and she IS a talking horse! Rex actually DOES things. Huh, then next thing will be some BS bulldozer work at the Marina Center with Rex cutting the ribbon, lemmings fell for it before. And who ever compared him to Glass, no comparison. Good luck getting ANYONE to to tell Larry what to do.

  55. Queen Hictoria
    December 6, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    High Finance!

    It’s been a week since you dropped a few turds on us!

    Why are you pooping and peeing on the Humboldt Herald?

    But a week….constipated?

  56. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    There was too much information about the real causes of the economic crisis for HiFi to bear. He was in danger of a megabyte or 2 leaking through his mind block which would cause him agony or force him to turn his political ideology upside down.

  57. Mister Miagi
    December 6, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Heck, if you Democrats nominate ME to take on old Rex, I will wear the horse costume for the KIEM interview, anyways. Wouldn’t yall love to see Betsy Lambert interviewing a talking horse?

  58. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    2:29- Rob and Kurt to not lunch together, but nice try. Rex does rub elbows with that crowd and other crowds as well. I think he is the genuine deal, but with that you do get some redneck ideas and maybe not much to please the proggies.

  59. What Now
    December 6, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    “Queen Hictoria says:
    December 6, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    High Finance!

    It’s been a week since you dropped a few turds on us!

    Why are you pooping and peeing ”

    Queenie, Highly fried’s is a tragic case;terminal diahrrea of the moutha and constipation of the brain.

    He’s off the wagon again, thus this eagerness in sharing his intellectual miscarriages and abortions.

    Bottoms up, Fried!

  60. December 6, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    A few years ago Patty Berg was in charge of dispensing a sizable grant for a “local theater group.” With all the possibilities, Ferndale, NCRT, and others; she chose to give the money to the Ingomar Club Opera.
    We really need public financing of elections, so we can get rid of all these pandering shills.
    It’s a corrupt shell-game no matter who runs.

  61. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    All you have are insults for HiFi, and then you decry the mirror for the same slime.

    I don’t always agree with hifi, but at least he tries to engage without the kinds of insults slung his/her way. Sure, he/she responds with cracks here and there, but certainly nowhere near what he or she gets in response.

    Heraldo loves to decry the smears that PJ gets, smears that Heraldo removes before they are posted, but why does H-pup allow the crap that gets dumped on HiFi? Inconsistency, Heraldo is thy name.

    Jane, I do believe you are leg humping HiFi @ 3:27…

    It cracks me up, all you ideologues from both sides of the political spectrum; both sides think they are in the right, so slams and smears are ok.

  62. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Pointing out that HiFi disappeared for days as soon as the discussion started and supporting facts were posted about the real cause of the financial crisis isn’t insulting 7:16. It’s the truth but apparently neither you nor HiFi can handle the truth.

  63. Don Wan
    December 6, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    What alternative reality do you live in, 7:16?

    “High Finance” is an anonymous internet handle, a fake name, a cartoon. You cannot “smear” a cartoon.

    Because it’s not a real person. You need to sharpen up your critical thinking and get a life. High Finance needs to grow some pelotas.

    As far as that goes, even if High Finance posted here with his or her own name, just pointing out his idiocies would not be smearing him.

    The Mirror isn’t funny it is just cruel. Hateful and hurtful things are said all the time on the Mirror, and they are said about real people.

    hugs, Wan

  64. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I don’t agree with half of what HiFi says but Jane, he always likes a fight. He doesn’t disappear when your “facts” are presented. Supported facts? Just supported by your favorite websites and orgs who agree with you. The internet is full of BS. Don’t go there for stats, medical advice, or cleaning questions, without reading deeply.

  65. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    That’s just it, 7:56. HiFi has been spewing shallow and highly ridiculous claims about the cause of the financial crisis and his idea of a cure for years and when there is discussion supported by in depth analysis from multiple sources which prove his silly poor people scapegoating is nonsense, he disappeared. Avoidance of information which makes us question what we think we know is the best way to protect against cognitive dissonance but it’s not very conducive to honest debate.

  66. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    “What alternative reality do you live in, 7:16?

    “High Finance” is an anonymous internet handle, a fake name, a cartoon. You cannot “smear” a cartoon.”

    Apparantly I live in the same reality Heraldo does, as he/she/THEY have posted a couple of times abour removing posts sliming PJ.

  67. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    That has never been at my request, 8:13. Sticks and stones. Posts reflect on the person who made them, not their target.

  68. Anonymous
    December 6, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    That should worry you pj.

  69. Plain Jane
    December 6, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Not in the slightest, 8:50. If I was ashamed of my posts I’d use anonymous like you do so there would be no accounting at all. There are people who post here who know me. Is your obsession with insulting posts being deleted because they’re yours?

  70. High Finance
    December 6, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    I “disappeared” because unlike you PJ, I have a life. I had a quick vacation in Hawaiia and had a good time.

    My “claims” only seem shallow & highly ridiculous because you never learn.

    I come back and find apparently you all missed me. Sniff.

  71. Alas
    December 6, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    One of my all-time favorites:

    “The Eureka Chamber of commerce financial records are open to the public”. (“High Finance”).

    What’s yours?

    He’s a troll that disappears when his lies are called-out….”off to Hawaii” indeed…more likely it was another delirious tantrum event at the Eureka Trailer Park.

  72. Low Fidelity
    December 7, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Ya’ll got no clue what’s about to hit you in 2012.

    Rex Bohn has a machine behind him. He has the political consultants, respected endorsements, hundreds of volunteers and money. Lots of money – from local contributors – not out of the county money that failed at buying that last losing Supervisor (Buy Local!).

    Annette DeModena is a Tea Party registered Republican. Nice woman until you have a serious conversation with her (she’s nucking futs).

    Although Annette does have Richard Monstranski running her campaign and he is the best political mind in Humboldt County (according to Richard Monstranski).

    As 24-year incumbent Bonnie and incumbent Larry Glass both got fired by the voters last November (and Bonnie had Heraldo as her campaign manager), wait until Rex gets done with the Proggie sacrificial lamb next June.

    Mike Wilson and Richard Salzman may be pushing Patty Berg to run, but Patty saw what happened to Bonnie and doesn’t want her fragile ego shattered.

    Patty turns 70 next year and she ain’t getting any younger.

    Patty failed in her 2010 run for California Insurance Commissioner.

    Finally, politicians don’t like demotions (from California Assembly down to County Supervisor).

    If I was a Proggie (and damn glad I’m not) I’d be more worried about Mark Lovelace and his Supervisor seat. There are at least two serious contenders for Lovelace’s board seat.

    Then I’d be seriously worried about Linda Atkins. Whoever is giving her political advice needs to be taken out back and beaten with a stick. Hard.

    I’ll give Salman credit. At least he can count to three. That’s more than the typical Proggie in Heraldoville.

  73. Dan
    December 7, 2011 at 8:36 am

    “Finally, politicians don’t like demotions”

    Check on the trajectory of your very own
    Governor Jerry Brown. Oh there he is, back on the top.
    His stint in other offices are not necessarily demotions, instead the finest training anywhere, for the position he has now.

    I do not want a lefty or a righty, what we need is simple common-sense, locally I do not see it. Do you?

  74. Just Figured It Out
    December 7, 2011 at 8:40 am

    HiFi is Steve Strombeck, wealthy developer and disdainer of the poor, who just returned from a quick trip to Hawaii.

  75. Dan
    December 7, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Simple caveat to the aforementioned complaint
    re: lack of common sense in local pols.

    Susan Adkins, who is now a local, has that common-sense.
    It would have been wrong not to separate her name.

  76. December 7, 2011 at 8:58 am

    (and Bonnie had Heraldo as her campaign manager)

    Matthew Owen is the most insightful genius ever.

  77. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Didn’t Steve Strombeck inherit a lot of money when his dad died? Is he still on the board of the Salvation Army? HiFi CAN’T be Steve Strombeck because he claims he’s never been appointed to any government boards and pulled himself up by his own bootstraps.

  78. December 7, 2011 at 9:34 am

    HiFi also says he never posts comments here anonymously. His list of lies, like his nose, grows longer.

  79. Mitch
    December 7, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Inherited wealth just ensures that the best people keep their parent’s money in the family.

    That’s why it was so important to eliminate inheritance taxes by calling them “death taxes” and convincing America that while it is fair to tax the $8.75 per hour Meg Whitman pays her maid, it is unAmerican to tax the money she will pass along to her kids in her estate. You don’t want to burden the best people with having to contribute to society in return for their wealth.

    PJ and Heraldo, why do you hate America? Is it that your parents didn’t leave you anything? Did they hate you?

  80. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Poor me still has living parents, Mitch. I’ll let you know how much they loved me when they die. If, as I suspect, they hated me so much as to spend everything they earned over a lifetime supporting their family and community, I’ll let you know.

  81. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Off topic, but the Washington Post has a poll (unscientific) that shows 77% percent who responded believe President Obama when he said supply side economics has never worked.

  82. Mitch
    December 7, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Just remember, PJ. If it’s less than a million bucks, it ain’t taxable cause it ain’t love. True love starts at a million.

  83. High Finance
    December 7, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Why should people’s wealth be confiscated when they die ? They sacrifice their entire lifetime by saving & living below their means in order to help their children. They worked hard, invested conservatively and paid their taxes.

    Again, it is nothing more than class envy.

  84. December 7, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “Why should people’s wealth be confiscated when they die ?”

    How about a threshold ? Say, ten million, what would mommy say?

    Class envy? You are an idiot! I am not a violent person,
    but when HiFi starts in on class envy, I think guiillotine.

  85. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Steve, the loggers and garbage collectors who labored for your dad’s excess profit and your inheritance didn’t have money to hoard to give their kids golden bootstraps. They didn’t have a choice to live below their means since they had to struggle to survive. Your many lies have been exposed so now you’re back to class envy.

  86. Mitch
    December 7, 2011 at 11:32 am


    Gosh, why should (some of) people’s wealth be confiscated when they die?

    Taxes are a cost of civilization. I think we agree that any society needs to collect taxes, though we disagree on how much from whom and for what spending.

    The United States is founded on opposition to royalty and aristocracy. Most Americans, when they haven’t been exposed to propaganda, believe everyone is entitled to an equal chance at life. That’s why we’ve historically funded public schools, and why everyone except GOP debate crowds thinks people should get life-or-death emergency room care whether they can pay or not.

    So the question is, how should tax revenue be gathered. If one of your principles is “least pain,” and if you agree that the first few tens of thousands most people earn is devoted more to necessities than to luxuries, then you want to tax the first few tens of thousands at a lower rate than the rest. That causes less pain. You also want to tax “lucky” money rather than “hard work” money, on the grounds that hard work is meant to be more rewarded than luck.

    For anyone who agrees that our society needs to collect taxes, the question should not be “should an heir be taxed on money they inherit beyond $1,000,000?” The question should be “which is fairer, taxing a minimum wage worker at about 25-30% once FICA, FUTA, and income tax are taken into account, or giving the minimum wage worker a bit of a break on their tax rate and making it up by taxing inheritances of over $1,000,000?”

    The GOP’s brilliance on the subject of inheritance taxes was renaming them to “death taxes,” making it seem like a dead person was losing their money, instead of acknowledging the reality that an individual’s inheritance is all about their luck in having wealthy parents. Perhaps that’s because GOP supporters aren’t able to imagine that they won’t be able to keep their baubles after they die.

    The GOP is also brilliant in hiding the fact that the vast majority of inheritances fell below the threshold at which some taxation would occur. It’s still hard to get sympathy for multi-millionaires in this economy, so the GOP always digs up some faux farmer who might have had to pay an extra few thousand dollars in taxes on his inherited $2,000,000 of farmland. They do that to hide the fact that 99% of inheritance taxes fall on millionaires. So they take the guy out of his suit, plop him into overalls and send him out to some field he’s never seen in his life, where he moans about how having to pay taxes would break up the “family farm.” The typical farm today is corporate-owned, and Archer Daniels Midland is doing just fine, thank you.

    Beyond that, democracies have a very hard time surviving when wealth inequality becomes very high. Compare the US’ historical wealth inequality with that it has today. One way to reduce wealth inequality is to tax inheritances beyond some threshold, say $1,000,000. That way, some people don’t get to start the race with more money, untaxed, than most people finish the race with. Level playing field, y’all.

  87. December 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Why should our wealth be confiscated while we live? Who has the authority to give corps. like Exxon/Mobil or Dutch-Shell the right to extract all of our resources? And then sell them back to us at exorbitant rates. I was not born a slave to the wealthy elites. But I am treated the same as those resources. My slavery is assumed by the elite class, and my fellow citizens who are scared to think for themselves continually give their consent to be slaves, and the aristocrats use that as legal means to enslave all of us.
    This method worked pretty good when they were stealing the land from the indigenous.
    Every day US corporations advance their exploitation of the middle class a little bit more. They all feel they have the right to rip us off at every turn. The gloves are off, there is no longer any curtain hiding them. They want us to know they have power over our lives.
    I personally am preparing for the next chapter.

  88. Anonymous
    December 7, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Yes Moviedad,

    You are a victim of Big Oil. To show your integrity in this fateful condition, please do the following: stop eating food grown with fertilizers from oil companies; stop using medicines made from oil/chemical derivatives, and stop driving petroleum based vehicles. Also, stop driving electrical cars which store electrons manufactured by natural gas driven turbines. You should do all these things to show us you will not be a slave of Big Oil.

    You meanwhile will eat less, travel less, and may die early from an untreated medical malady. But your victimhood will be intact!

    This is what happens when otherwise reasonable people (for example, movidead) rant about their economic slavery and victimhood. It sounds silly. Truth is, moviedad will continue to eat those vegies, take those anti-bioltics and drive around gas/oil burning machines.

    This is also why the OWS movement has lost much of its mass appeal. If it simply stayed focused on Wall Street and Government Bailouts of the Big Banks, we could all agree. But it didn’t. Certainly movieded can’t keep that focus.

    Slave? Really?

  89. High Finance
    December 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Mitch, I dare you to find any minimum wage worker who is taxed at “25-30%”.

    Those people who saved & invested wisely while living beneath their means also paid an income tax of almost 50% during their working lives (counting federal and state taxes). That minimum wage worker, if he had children not only paid -0- taxes, but got a check from the government instead equal up to 30% of his pay. And that is AFTER his FICA tax.

    Yes, the “vast majority of inheritances fall below the threshold” for the death tax. So we steal & rob from only some of the people so that makes it OK ?

    So think about it. That rich person pays tax on his income all his life and then when he dies the government comes in and taxes him again.

  90. High Finance
    December 7, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Nobody gave you the right to decide what is “excess profits” PJ. Those “laborers & garbage collectors” were paid a fair value for what their labor was worth. An free & fair exchange is made between all employers and employees.

    And careful dear, as low as your income is, there are many who envy you. The bums at the courthouse think you have more money than you need and they should get some of yours.

    Moviedad, you are only trying to rationalize your greed and attempts at theft. You don’t own those resources anymore than you own my SUV. But thanks to the oil companies you are able to buy them from those who do in order to elevate your standard of living.

  91. just middle class
    December 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    So if you die all your assets go to the government, then why invest and build a business? What a silly way to run a country to have a 100% death tax. It did not work in Cuba. Just think of it, when a rancher dies, all the assets go to the government so they can do what with it? In one generation everything would belong to the government and just think of how that would work! This idea was clearly not thought through.

  92. tra
    December 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm


    If anyone was actually advocating an estate tax of 100%, you might have a point. Since nobody is, you don’t.

  93. Mitch
    December 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm


    Minimum wage in CA: $8/hr: $16,000 per year full time.

    Two minimum wage workers, married, working full time: $32,000 per year.

    Federal income tax: 12% of wages
    (from 1040EZ tax table, married filing jointly tax is $3,954)

    FICA due to wages: 10.4% of wages
    (6.2% is collected from the employer, 4.2% is collected from the employee — the Social Security tax collected on wages is 10.4%)

    California income tax: about 1.5% of wages

    Add it up and the government has collected 24% of the wages of two married minimum wage employees. Six of those 24 percent are hidden for political reasons, via the “employer” portion of the FICA tax, but the employer portion is financially identical to the employer paying 6% more to the employee and having the employee pay the extra 6% directly to the government.

    The minimum wage employees, of course, also pay sales tax on their purchases, vehicle license fees, and miscellaneous other taxes.

  94. Mitch
    December 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Anonymous 2:54, you make HiFi seem clever.

    Yes, you are right, every one of us is using the products of Big Oil.

    The only place that constitutes a slam-dunk argument-winner is on Fox News. Just because we live in the same country as you does not mean that we agree with the policies of Big Oil. It means that we have no realistic alternative to participating in our existing economy.

    Am I going to stop using petroleum products? No.

    Would I prefer to see the size of our military halved, even if it meant that countries with oil were free to charge what the market would bear, without having to worry about invasion? Yes. Absolutely.

    I’d like to see the price of oil float to somewhere near its actual cost, so that alternative energy would be seen to be less expensive than oil. Then we’d see our demand for oil lessen, and our national security improve.

    Of course, it’s hard to calculate the actual cost of low oil prices. Sure, you can figure out what percentage of the military budget is justified by our need to defend access to oil. That’s not hard. But then what are you going to add for every US soldier killed defending our access to oil? What are you going to charge for every foreign civilian killed? Every foreign soldier?

    And what rate will you set per ton of CO2 we’re pouring into the atmosphere by burning oil? I know you don’t believe humans cause global warming, but your children might be forced to believe it. Would you like to include the cost of destroying the planet’s life support systems in the price of oil now, or do you feel comfortable leaving that job to your children?

  95. tra
    December 7, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Nobody gave you the right to decide what is “excess profits” PJ.

    Well we all collectively have the right to make those sorts of decisions, through this little thing called representative democracy.

    If we decide that profits above a certain amount are “excessive” or income above a certain threshold is “excessive,” and that we therefore want to tax those profits at a higher rate, then acting through our democratic system we can do that.

    You can argue about whether those would be a good policies or not, but from a constitutional rights standpoint I don’t see where there’s any guaranteed “right to unlimited profits” anywhere in the U.S. Constitution. You are, of course, welcome to try to amend the Constitution to enact such a “right,” but I doubt you’ll have much success with that.

  96. Anonymous
    December 7, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    You are adding the employer’s share of fica – that is a tax the employer pays – not the employee.

  97. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    I love it when people who claim anyone can climb from poverty to wealth without any help and denigrate the unwealthy as lazy druggies turn out to have inherited a sizable fortune, especially for Humboldt County. Of course, if they really believed their own BS they wouldn’t fight so hard to make sure their own kids have such a huge head start with a tax free estate.

    Now as to the bank for which HiFi is on the BOD, is it possible that someone could be in such an important position without knowing how culpable banks were in the financial crisis or that banks were never forced to give loans to any unqualified buyers? Why did they need TARP funds?

  98. December 7, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Hey Anonymous, you want to tell me what the hell you’re talking about? That oil is just as much mine as it is theirs. And don’t give me that nonsense about those companies paying for the drilling and exploration. What a load. Every dime payed for by tax payers. Talk about a slave mentality. Go peddle your suck up to rich attitude on the street. I work for a living. You want to give the rich all of this country’s natural resources, then you’re a fool.

  99. humboldturtle
    December 7, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Save us Rex! Rex? REX! Here boy.

  100. Dan
    December 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    “Now as to the bank for which HiFi is on the BOD, is it possible that someone could be in such an important position without knowing how culpable banks were in the financial crisis or that banks were never forced to give loans to any unqualified buyers? Why did they need TARP funds?” 7:04

    Good questions. Mr. HiFi?

  101. Jack Sherman
    December 7, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    “I’ll give Salman credit. At least he can count to three. That’s more than the typical Proggie in Heraldoville”.

    If the local Democratic Central committee ever got the courage to canvass in their first registration drive, there would be no Bohns, Bass, Jaggers, and the like.

  102. High Finance
    December 7, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Silly Mitch, 5.16pm. You forgot the standard deduction and the personal exemptions. So in your example, even if they did not have any children their effective tax rate would only be 17.65% and not 25%.

    If they had children their earned income credit could wipe out their tax and could result in significant refunds over and could even wipe out their FICA tax.

    And I have stated many times before, SOME banks were culpable in the financial mess we are in as much as the politicians who started the ball rolling.

  103. Plain Jane
    December 7, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    You have claimed MANY times that banks were forced to lend to unqualified buyers and that is what caused the financial crisis when, in fact, it was unregulated mortgage lending without regard for ability to repay which inflated the housing market beyond reason because they made lots of money and didn’t have to worry about ever collecting on the loans. This catastrophe was, of course, only worsened by over-leveraged banks and CDS. The financial industry lobbied and spent millions of dollars on politicians to get the deregulation which resulted in this mess. A “banker” who doesn’t know this is a fraud.

  104. Anonymous
    December 7, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Humboldt Herald is a joke. They always have information that is not correct. The person who runs this is an immature man who wishes he could have what others do. He is a bully and needs to be thrown away with the rest of the garbage. And by garbage I mean all of you other people who try to tear people down and get a kick out of it. You are all bullies, no wonder kids act the way they do, because they have parents like you. Leave Rex alone, leave Betsy alone, leave Arkley alone, leave everyone alone and start looking at the good in people. The people you rip on may have flaws but they do a lot more good for this community then you know. This blog is laughed at around the state and makes Humboldt county look like we are all a bunch of cry babies. Start taking pride in where you live and the people here or move. You may feel high and mightly because you use a stupid blog like this to bully people but you are not. you are weak, immature and need to get a life. If you have something to say go to the person and say it to their face, bet most of you don’t have the balls to do that.

  105. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Notice how right-wingers like to remind us that the effective tax rate on America’s working poor is less than 25%, while the taxes actually paid by over 60% of U.S. taxable corporations is ZERO.

    Who benefits more, the employee who enters a never-ending battle for meager, “income adjusted” public benefits, or Walmart that profits from that subsidy, or the offshore manufacturers protected by 750 U.S. military bases, a stable currency and a court system enforcing their contracts, while paying ZERO taxes for the privileged?

  106. Dan
    December 8, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Anonymous@11:58 Have you tried the Mirror?
    You’ll find like minds there. That is why I read the Herald.

    “If you have something to say go to the person and say it to their face, bet most of you don’t have the balls to do that.”

    This from an Anonymous? Now that is ballsy.

  107. just middle class
    December 8, 2011 at 6:49 am

    Jane, there are many “wealthy” non taxpayers who have significant income, just not reported. There is more grower money moving around this economy than there is money from the taxable wealthy. So when you talk about those who are not doing their part to help others, please consider the growers.

  108. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 6:53 am

    I’m deeply ashamed of bullying the powerful. 11:58 is right (far right). In a just world it would be a crime for the powerless to criticize their “betters.”

  109. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 6:54 am

    Which post of mine are you responding to, JMC?

  110. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 7:01 am

    In the first place, money moving around the economy is good regardless of its source. In the second place, comparing grower money being spent with taxes not paid doesn’t make any sense at all. I agree that everyone should pay taxes on their income, regardless of source. However, expecting people to report income from illegal activities is unrealistic. You should be thankful they’re spending it and not just inflating financial bubbles like the low taxed rich are doing with their bounty.

  111. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 7:03 am

    The growers are Humboldt County’s 1% – enjoying the services of the State and County without paying income and other employment taxes like the rest of us 99%.

  112. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 7:21 am

    How do people pay taxes on illegal income, 7:03? They can’t legally invest it so they spend it, creating jobs in every segment of our economy, legal, medical, retail, restaurants, insurance, real estate, etc. I think you’d like the local economy even less if they stopped making and spending their illegal money, especially since the people who buy their product would switch suppliers and buy from non-local sources, further draining the economy of circulating money.

  113. SmokeMonster
    December 8, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Anon 11:58- Tell me who you are and where I can find you for a meet and greet where I will tell you what I think of your BS post,to your anon face.
    Funny someone complaining about poor rexy and Betsy being bullied,im sure people that have known them for a long time would get a good laugh at that.

  114. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 8:16 am

    They drain the community in so many other ways. Net= loss for our community, not a plus. What if everyone broke the law and made money however they wanted?

  115. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Also, the indoor growers are still costing the community hundreds of thousands individually by their damage to buildings. Don’t say landlords need to be more vigilant. Coming every month to inspect is not enough to contain these inconsiderate jerks, who only care about money and not keeping our area safe, green, communities beautiful.

  116. Mitch
    December 8, 2011 at 8:41 am

    HiFi correctly points out my dumb mistake.

    As HiFi states, once the standard deduction and exemption is applied, two full-time married minimum wage earners with no dependents pay the federal and California governments 18% of what their employer provided in wages, not 24%.

    Coincidentally, 18% is the same true rate paid by the top 400 taxpayers in 2008 — skip to the last page of this IRS document.


    Does that seem fair? Of course, it excludes California taxes, but still…

    Thank you for the correction, HiFi, and I’m blushing.

  117. anoni-con cojones
    December 8, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Anonymous 11:58 sez “If you have something to say go to the person and say it to their face, bet most of you don’t have the balls to do that.” …….from behind a wall of Anonymity.

    Talk about ball-less.

  118. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 9:07 am

    8:41, how would landlords inspecting their property monthly not be enough to contain indoor grows in their rentals? Do you think pot is grown and harvested in less than a month? Do you think the landlord couldn’t smell it or see if during an inspection? Do you think the police wouldn’t come and bust illegal grows if the landlord called? I personally have a problem with industrial indoor growing, even if it is on their own property, because of the outrageous energy usage, especially since so many get reduced electric rates due to their alleged poverty which regular rate payers subsidize, not to mention the environmental impacts of burning fossil fuel for electricity. But none of that detracts from the money pot growing injects into our local economy which doesn’t go to Mexico or Canada for the pot that smokers will continue to buy regardless of its origin.

  119. December 8, 2011 at 9:51 am

    If you eliminate the marijuana industry from the Humboldt economy you will eliminate the inflow of anywhere from $400,000,000.00 to $1,000,000,000.00 per year to the local economy. The unemployment rate would triple and housing values would fall by 50%. A quarter of the businesses in Old Town Eureka and in trendy hip Arcata would close.

    That’s your reality.

    have a peaceful day,

  120. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 10:02 am

    So if people do something society has deemed as illegal – such as hide income, inside trading, or growing marijuana, then we should be glad those people have money to spread around our communities? Who decides which people not paying their fair share of taxes are doing us a service by spending their extra money in our community and which ones are evil villans?
    I spend my money in this community too, but I am also required to pay for income taxes that go toward government funded services. With all of the grow money, one would expect that we had the best funded food bank in the country – sadly we don’t. What about large charitable contributions from the 1% who don’t pay income tax? Or can they only contribute by buying expensive meals at the county’s finest restaurants?

  121. TimH
    December 8, 2011 at 10:07 am

    “Coincidentally, 18% is the same true rate paid by the top 400 taxpayers in 2008 — skip to the last page of this IRS document.”

    Timely question: How much are the top 400 or 1% paying in property taxes?

  122. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 10:13 am

    So Highboltage, it’s OK for Arkley to avoid government oversight because the “reality” is that he is pumping lots of money into our economy. If he left the unemployment rate would go up and house prices might fall. Shouldn’t he be embraced like the growers?

    If the growers are bringing in a billion, then they are also the 1% and we should demand that they pay their fair share just like the corporate executives. In fact, they pay less tax than corporate CEOs. Why do they get a walk on our discussion of income equity? Because they are doing us a favor by buying stuff? Really?

  123. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 10:16 am

    We should be happier if they had legitimate jobs and paid taxes 10:02, but that since there aren’t enough jobs for everyone who wants one and since pot money spends as well as any other, we should be grateful to have it because if we eliminated all pot growing this county would collapse economically.

  124. December 8, 2011 at 10:17 am

    It is the laws that make cannabis illegal that are illegal themselves. When the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were ratified, the cultivation of Indian Hemp was legal and customary for the farmers of the time, and cannabis was used industrially for fiber and food, and medicinally as well.

    It would require a Constitutional Amendment similar to the one that outlawed alcohol and intitiated our failed experiment with prohibition to outlaw the cultivation, possession or use of the herb cannabis sativa. That hasn’t happened. All of us have the Constitutional Right to enjoy the use of the herb cannabis sativa in any way we wish.

    have a peaceful day,

  125. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 10:19 am

    PJ at 7:21. Wrong again. Smart growers who want to avoid going to a federal facility for some alone time have and continue to pay income taxes. How, you ask? They simply report all the cash they received in a year on a Schedule C return showing their enterprise is one in “Agriculture.” I am surprised you did not know this. People have been paying taxes on ganja income for nearly 40 years ’round these parts. And you think they cannot invest? Wrong again. Once the taxes are paid the IRS legally cannot rat them out. So, again, smart growers pay income taxes, then re-invest in property and small businesses, or invest in the stock markets, CD’s, etc. You really didn’t know this?

  126. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Combining hundreds, if not thousands, of pot growers’ incomes doesn’t make them part of the 1% 10:13.

  127. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 10:22 am

    We were discussing pot growers who don’t report their income. 10:19. Money laundering is an age old practice but that wasn’t the crime we were discussing. The purpose of money laundering is so it can be spent and invested without raising warning flags and even money launderers don’t report all their illegal income.

  128. TimH
    December 8, 2011 at 10:34 am

    $343,927 = 1%, according to IRS.

  129. just middle class
    December 8, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Growing in just two garages will bring you close to the 1%, just think of what one of those big greenhouses will do. Since there are no tax payments, the $343,927 should be reduced by over 30%.

  130. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Growing in 100 garages would bring in millions but what does that have to do with who is in the 1%? Guesstimating how much money is made from pot serves no purpose since none of us knows how much or how many individuals grow or what they net after their costs are deducted.

  131. High Finance
    December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Who are the top 400 ?

    Their net worth averages $38 billion. The highest (Bill Gates) is at $59 billion the lowest is at $1.05 billion.

    70% are self made people. They averaged $344 million each in income with 81.3% of that being in the form of capital gains & dividend income.

    Their average effective tax rate was about 20%. That is because congress decided years ago to encourage more investment by Americans and capped the tax rate for capital gains & dividends at 15%. The theory being more investment benefits everybody.

    Those 400 paid 2.05% of ALL income taxes paid in America.

    The 400 list changes names every year. 21 people on last years list dropped off the list this year as their net worth dropped.

  132. Fact Checker
    December 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    High Treason said:
    December 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    Who are the top 400 ?

    “Four hundred obscenely wealthy individuals, 400 little Mubaraks — most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion-dollar taxpayer bailout of 2008 — now have more cash, stock and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined.”

    OK, we’ve repeated Moore’s declaration (including the reference to Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian president).

    Now let’s see if what he asserts — that 400 Americans “have more wealth than half of all Americans combined” — is true.

    Moore has made other staggering claims about the gap between the nation’s rich and poor. In Capitalism: A Love Story, his 2009 documentary, Moore said “the richest 1 percent have more financial wealth than the bottom 95 percent combined.”

    He was awarded a Mostly True by our colleagues at PolitiFact National for that claim.”


  133. Apologist Not
    December 8, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    And with the new “Citizens’ United” Supreme Court ruling, the top 400 will have about as many votes as Mubarak had.

    The one’s that count.

  134. High Finance
    December 8, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    The top 400 have as much wealth as the bottom half of the country. But they did not get that way by stealing or robbing banks. They got that way by being smarter and working harder than the rest of us.

    Unlike Apologist Not, they contribute to society instead of taking from it. They pay over 2% of all income taxes paid, they pay as much as the bottom half of all Americans pay combined.

    They also own companies that provide jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans. They provide products that improve the quality of our lives.

  135. Fact Checker
    December 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    High Fi. That barf won’t pass the muster of a 5th Grade debating class.

  136. Fact Checker
    December 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    “Smarter and working harder?” Have you heard of the 7 trillion dollar bailout they top 400 received? Nothing but welfare bums!!!

  137. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    HiFi’s bank got some of that.

  138. Red Baited Again
    December 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Looting the U.S. Treasury, authoring legislation to outsource jobs and offshore the profits, enriching the world’s dictators for distribution rights, pollution rights, and for access to child-labor, untraceable sums of money dominating “democratic” elections, the perfection of waste that has launched the 6th largest extinction event in Earths history?

    Where do I sign up?

    Nothing says Merry Christmas like cheap, toxic commodities designed to fail, AND that minimum wage, part-time, job, with food stamps, proudly earned to sell it.

  139. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    A few good laughs here. First, that pot growers pay agricultural taxes. What a hoot!

    Second, landlords who check regularly are still bilked. Have seen it over and over. People can move that grow in a matter of hours and put the rug and bed back over the floor. They do it to me all the time. I smell the pot and think they have been smoking. Or, they are so sweet and nice that when I check part of the house it seems good, but there is that “locked” room with the “day sleeper” in there. Ahem- landlords are fooled all the time. The people who cosigned for the place can’t believe. Little Johnny would never do this.

    Finally, these aren’t the people, PJ, who tried to find jobs. These are very capable, usually younger persons, who would be quite employable, but most have not tried to work an honest day. They have the skills, and sometimes the work ethic, but they don’t have the character they should.

  140. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    I would have to hear from growers that a grow can be moved in and out in a few hours. Doing that every month would get tiresome and probably not good for the health of their plants. Day sleeper or not, when you give notice to inspect you have a right to inspect every room. There are also power bills which might give a concerned landlord a clue. Smelling smoke of any kind in a non-smoking apartment is grounds for eviction, but pot smoke and pot growing don’t smell the same. If you don’t know what growing pot smells like, take someone with you who does. If there are suspicions of growing but you turn a blind eye, you take your chances. I know of a few growers who are unemployed or under-employed (not by choice) who grow to pay the rent. There are also landlords who are willing to take the risk on pot growers because they’ll pay more rent than a family can afford. I have no pity for landlords who get screwed by pot growers because they can’t be bothered to keep an eye on their rentals or who charge pot growing rental rates.

  141. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    And I would bet pot growers would be few and far between who would want to lease a property whose owner made it crystal clear they had no tolerance for pot growing with leases allowing frequent inspections and provisions to make it easy to get rid of growers before they have a chance to damage the property.

  142. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    The only legal ‘easy’ way to get ride of a tenant is to not offer a lease. Even then, the legal eviction process takes several months. That’s plenty of time for significant property damage or a fire.

  143. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    I know a number of multiple property owners who don’t have a problem discouraging would-be pot growers from their rentals. They’ve never had a problem but they are active landlords who meticulously maintain their properties, charge reasonable rent, carefully check references, have long term, stable tenants and waiting lists of people who want to be their tenants. You know, good landlords.

  144. Hanz
    December 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    The top 1% is 330,000 people, not 400 people. Remember we de-bunked that Hi-Fi-Lie a month ago.

  145. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I think the top 0.1% are the richest 400 people.

  146. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    And they may gain and lose a little, but they would have to be colossal idiots to lose so much money they would fall below the top 0.5%.

  147. SmokeMonster
    December 8, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    As I know plenty of landlords that charge a few extra hundred a month to look the other way,if tenant is busted they all claim ignorance and say “poor me”.

    I can’t wait for pot to be legal and leave this areas economy.
    Then you all will really get to see the old Humboldt with real meth addicts. Some of you will be contracting private security to go grocery shopping

  148. Shirlee
    December 8, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — Household wealth in the U.S. fell from July through September for a second straight quarter as the European debt crisis depressed stocks and home values decreased.

    Net worth for households and non-profit groups decreased by $2.45 trillion to $57.4 trillion, the Federal Reserve said today in its flow of funds report from Washington. Americans reduced debt in the third quarter, extending a string of declines dating back three years.


  149. High Finance
    December 8, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Hantz, are you following the conversation at all ? I sure can’t see it based on your insipid post at 4.30pm.

  150. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Dream on, Jane. Sounds like the perfect rental world, but it’s not really the way it is.

  151. High Finance
    December 8, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    PJ has never owned a rental nor knew anybody who has owned a rental for very long.

    Otherwise she wouldn’t have posted 3.51pm

  152. Anonymous
    December 8, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Jane, you want to hear from growers what the truth is? They already break the law. Listen to me, a person who makes a living honestly and pays taxes. They DO move their grow when needed and move it back in. I have seen it many times.

    I do know the difference in smells but I have been fooled by liars and cheats who come across as nice people. The nice ones get to me. I feel really cheated, financially and then emotionally.

  153. Plain Jane
    December 8, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    What an absurd statement, HiFi. As a matter of fact, I owned a rental for years and I doubt there is anyone who doesn’t know quite a few people who have rental properties. All landlords aren’t slum lords, you know?

  154. Alas
    December 8, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    When I first moved to Arcata, there was only one rental agency in the county.

    Today, every savvy real estate broker is a rental-management predator.

    If they’re smart, the local development community will use the new campaign finance laws to hide their support of Bohn.

    A 25% home affordability rate in Humboldt County means easy money for the players.

    Bohn could care less.

    One person’s economic decline is another’s golden opportunity in right-wing land.

  155. Dan
    December 9, 2011 at 8:10 am

    “The growers are Humboldt County’s 1% ”

    Hmmm. I am not sure that a grower could
    compete with our real 1%. Do you know any
    grower billionaires? I don’t. Besides farming
    is a little to close to real work to attract the 1%.

  156. Anonymous
    December 9, 2011 at 8:26 am

    the top 1% of wage earners are around $350,000.

  157. Mitch
    December 9, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Regarding the top 400, HiFi writes:

    “Their average effective tax rate was about 20%. That is because congress decided years ago to encourage more investment by Americans and capped the tax rate for capital gains & dividends at 15%. The theory being more investment benefits everybody.”

    The average tax rate for the top 400, according to the IRS, dropped from about 30% in 1995 and hovered between 17% and 18% from 2005 through 2008 (the most recent info I’ve seen).

    HiFi points out that this drop was an intentional decision, on the theory that “more investment benefits everybody.”

    How do you think that’s worked out, HiFi? Are all the boats floating higher today than in 1995?

    (Incidentally, you name Bill Gates, presumably as an example of someone whose wealth is a result of their contributions. Read about the history of the microcomputer software industry. Bill Gates contributed, essentially, nothing to the world of computer software. Everything in MS-DOS and Windows was available prior to anything Bill Gates did with them, and in better forms. Dennis Ritchie, who recently passed away, contributed hundreds of times as much to the software world as Bill Gates. As far as I know, he was decently compensated but hardly a billionaire. Gates DID learn how to effectively charge for software, and how to leverage network effects to build a virtual monopoly and thereby make a fortune. And after he got married, Gates did begin making worthwhile efforts with his life and fortune.)

  158. December 9, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Don’t cha’ just love the mythology built around billionaires? What pioneers! What supermen! They started with nothing but a few billion in taxpayer-funded research and development.
    Most of these corporations wouldn’t exist today if it wasn’t for the welfare they’re given in the form of natural resources handed over to private individuals.
    Just like aristocrats to claim ownership of anything they want.
    The only war being waged on American soil is the one the rich are waging against America.
    Here’s a couple of things we can do to repair the damage and save the country.
    Impeach the supreme court.
    Bring charges against brutal police.
    Break up the corporations.
    Publicly finance special elections with mandatory voting required for driver’s license renewal.
    Reassess the nation’s energy resources, revoke extraction permits.
    Forgive all college loans.
    Nationalize all energy companies.
    Fix the planet.
    Problem solved; you’re welcome. No charge.

  159. Mitch
    December 9, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Thank you, moviedad.

    I wish somebody had done up this To-Do list years ago, so we wouldn’t be in the trouble we’re in today.

    Do you think we can get your list implemented before the end of the year? It’s pretty long.

    :-) and (:(..

  160. Plain Jane
    December 9, 2011 at 10:05 am

    I’ve had so much trouble deciding what to ask Santa for this year. Thanks for all the great suggestions, Moviedad.

  161. Apologist Not
    December 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    At least a few on that list have been implemented by other nations with great success.

    Too bad that our so-called “liberal media” takes every opportunity not to cover it, let alone, periodically remind us.

    Ignorance is no route to improvement.

  162. just middle class
    December 9, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Most of those actions have been taken in some South American countries, so how has that worked? Since most of this list has no constitutional authority is it advocated that we do away with the constitution? By the way, who will make these decisions, a “general assembly” of everyone?

  163. December 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    “the top 1% of wage earners are around $350,000.” Anon 8:26

    OR the average wealth of the top 1%=167,000,000.


  164. Anonymous
    December 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Forgive all college loans? You have to be a super lefty to want that one. My kid owes 100K and needs to pay it back.

  165. Anonymous
    December 9, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Alas, is, alas, pathetic, and has an attitude that will keep him or her from ever finding financial success, which he or she hates, anyway.

  166. Alas
    December 10, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Hi Fi, @ 3:24: Alas probably provided your child with life’s first job in Eureka!

    You may need to start expanding your hate-fest to those more successful than you.

    So sad.

    Has anyone else noticed how High-Finance appeared right after Bill Barnum’s exit from Heraldo?

    The language use is identical, predictably motivated by any criticism of local sprawl and the “financial success” it provided, (at the expense of 80% of local taxpayers who cannot afford the homes).

    Projecting class-envy is all he has left.


  167. High Finance
    December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Alas, maybe my language use is identical as Bill Barnum’s because our IQ’s are much higher than yours ?

    You do understand that your “25% home affordability” assertion is bogus don’t you ?

  168. Bill Barnum
    December 10, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    I just got home from Dave Banducci’s memorial at C/R, only to sit down for a few minutes to peruse my favorite blogs, and
    find this silliness on Heraldo.

    I have not quit reading Heraldo, but rarely have need to comment. I do not know who Heraldo is, nor Alas, nor Hi-Fi. What a waste of time it is to guess about each other’s motives.

    By the way, I am in agreement with the Occupy crowd on some of their issues. Don’t try to pigeon-hole me, Alas. You don’t know me at all.

    With that said, I wish everyone a Merry Christmas!

  169. Alas
    December 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm


    High-Finance/Bill Branum… posting within 20 minutes?

    I rest my case!

    The only two liars I know defending the canard that “There’s no sprawl in Humboldt County”.

    Both the Humboldt builders Assoc. and Healthy Humboldt have been waving the “25% home affordability rate” in Humboldt County in front of numerous Planning Commission hearings and supervisor’s meetings, albeit with opposing agendas.

  170. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    HiFi was already identified. He isn’t Bill Barnum.

  171. Alas
    December 11, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Hi-Fi was actually identified on Heraldo? Can you elaborate?

  172. just middle class
    December 11, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    If you don’t know you can only hope your are…………

  173. Alas
    December 11, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    High Finance says:
    December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    “Alas, maybe my language use is identical as Bill Barnum’s because our IQ’s are much higher than yours”?

    Finally we agree High-Finance, you and Barnum would need to combine your IQ’s to be higher than mine.

  174. Alas
    December 15, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    I know Bill Barnum better than he thinks, as do many Heraldites.

    His, it the constant whining that threatens lawsuits when anything dares to interfere with Cutten sprawl….his land that he has every right to develop, no matter what price Eureka citizens must pay to subsidize subdivisions they’ll never be able to afford.

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