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Local blog update, and a reaction to the GPU hate fest

The media landscape in Humboldt County is quaking with economic and cultural activity (or lack thereof) and it’s all a junkie can do to keep up with this never-before-seen trajectory.  Some highlights:

  1. Newspapers are folding and dropping days of publication.
  2. Hank Sims is getting other people to update his Lost Coast Outpost blog for free —  and he’s still getting paid!
  3. Charles Douglas and his maverick Humboldt Sentinel are posting in-depth interviews unseen elsewhere in this “did you poop and pee on the bank” media landscape.

Take for example this interview with Community Development Services Director Kirk Girard who was the recent subject of an obnoxious cover of the North Coast Journal.  The headline there asked, “Why Do People Hate Kirk Girard?”  Emphasis original, all bold and big font next to a picture of Girard.  Not as bad as the meat hooks, but sheesh.  Who else do we Hate with bold type on the cover of the Journal? Maybe the NCJ should make it a series.

Anyway, Girard spent an hour with Douglas, talking about his work history and the current topic of so much Humboldt County angst: the General Plan Update.  At about the 50 Min. mark, Girard has this to say about the motivations of his detractors.

If I can be discredited, it would  spill over into discrediting the entire plan, and potentially slow its momentum or stop it altogether.  And I say that because it’s a really common tactic as communities are going through General Plan Update processes to see if the argument can be made that the director should be fired, and by association pause or change the General Plan, change it’s direction.

But Girard says the Plan belongs to the Planning Commission, not him, as they have gone through it line by line over the last few years during public meetings.  Such tedium always follows scads of input from the Girard/GPU haters who continue to say they’ve been prevented from participating in the process.

  1. Anonymous
    December 11, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Charles Douglas and his maverick

    Heh. Calling him a maverick. Now that’s funny.

  2. just middle class
    December 11, 2011 at 7:46 am

    The main person who is causing a “pause” to the plan rewrite is Kirk because he just can’t get things done correctly. He is the king of spin and can attempt to talk his way out of anything. If a competent CD Director had been there the plan would have been done years ago. So, if you do not like the direction of the plan, support Kirk!

  3. Decline To State
    December 11, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Yep, I used to keep up with Hank’s blog but then it went all SoHum-centric and I find I really don’t care so much any more. I don’t mind sharing but exclusive “all the Garberville news, all the time” really doesn’t interest me all that much.

  4. December 11, 2011 at 8:15 am

    the plan rewrite

    Way to slip that favorite HumCPR talking point into your very first sentence.

  5. Richard
    December 11, 2011 at 8:55 am

    The Plan would be done if the Board of Sups voted for a final plan. I’ve been listening to this crap for 10 years now.
    Once Rex Bohn is elected, they will fire Kirk and then they will quickly (within two years), vote for a General Plan of which the developers and speculators approve.
    We heard their rallying cry in the last Eureka City Council race, that they would “take their city back”, and they intend to do the same with the county as a whole. They only need one more vote, and as much as Jimmy’s joined the anti-Kirk parade, he been willing to draw the line at firing him for the very reasons Kirk outlines, that this is a tried and true tactic, to discredit the plan AND the process, by firing Planning Commissioners who respect the process and understands the role of the Planner Department in effecting “Orderly Development” for the betterment of the community and the greater good of its citizens into the future.
    What we’ll get instead is exactly what we’ve seen everywhere the developers and the “free market” are allowed to be the “deciders” in the manner and style in which an area is developed.
    It would likely take about 10 years from approval of the new General Plan (think C), and the poor economy might slow the process down a bit, so it could take closer to 15 years, but with greed in charge you can bet that poor planning will be the result.
    Kirk may not be perfect, but his motives are rooted in the sound values of his chosen profession, which is the right if not obligation of a community through its government to exercise “orderly development”, which would include not building beyond the capacity of your infrastructure (bumper to bumper traffic and overflowing sewage treatment plants are two common and graphic examples of what happens when you do).
    [A planning commission is a governmental body responsible for guiding the orderly development of a specified area as outlined in U.S. Code: us-code.vlex.com/vid/proposed-district-developments-projects-19240891]
    I remember recently hearing John Stewart arguing with a conservative who was comparing George Soros with the Koch Brothers, because they both contribute money to partisan causes, and Stewart pointed out that one difference is that Soros was advocating for stuff that was not in his personal financial interest (higher taxes rather then lower taxes).
    I know that folks like to promote the idea that those advocating for Smart Growth (orderly development) are somehow self serving, and I guess if you want a better quality of life for yourself and future generations, there’s a sort of truth to statement, but it’s not quite the same as allowing folks who will directly profit monetarily from the developments also making the rules as to where and how they can develop our community. What you get is shopping malls on the waterfront, South Broadway, Central Avenue,etc., etc..
    We as a community have the right to say where and how development will happen. It’s our community, but if Rex wins next years election for the 1st Supervisorial district, then “they” will have taken the entire county “back”.

  6. Ponder z
    December 11, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Girard IS big goberment at its finest. Implementing social reform for the people. FDR would be proud.

    And that is why we hate Kirk Girard. He wants to take away our freedoms as Americans. And turn Humboldt into a Soviet housing block inside a national preserve. All off limits to the general population. As we may damage the fragile environment being restored by the educated experts.

  7. Bolithio
    December 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I dont hate KG, but I blame him for the problems infesting the planning department. Rude staff, unreasonable lag – often just simply obvious feet dragging, underground regulation, and character judgement… All of that falls in the lap of the Captain of the ship. Its his responsibility.

  8. December 11, 2011 at 9:28 am

    The way you have it framed is that Kirk is Mr. Enviro
    and Rex is unbridled development.

    Christ what charades. Come check-out our local coastal wetlands,
    they are not mapped and they are being destroyed, not by Rex but by Kirk’s minions.

    I am not a fan of Rex, I think of him as a ‘tool’ for whoever is paying him at the time. I am developing a great distrust of Kirk, because I live on the coast where the major impact of the eradication has occurred, it would be disgraceful if that were a commercial endeavor- instead it is wetlands being destroyed by mis-directed wetlands funds (fraud) and ol’ Kirk, won’t even look.
    Says he doesn’t want to second-guess his planners.

    GPU? Kirk where are the coastal FEMA maps, V-Zones, AO-Zones,
    wetland delineations….HBMWD’s 42″ water-main, is insured by FEMA, rides in our fore dune trough, IS NOT MAPPED! Thus unprotected.
    Are these treasures to be destroyed before they even reach a map?

  9. Percy
    December 11, 2011 at 9:31 am

    McCarthy would have loved you Ponder, alas you were born too late and your paranoia is wasted on those of us who remember and learned from history.

  10. 713
    December 11, 2011 at 10:25 am

    What was wrong with the old (current) general plan?
    We are not and were not experiencing the massive population explosion the fear mongers on the left claim. The bogeyman of unbridled growth is a farce (WE DON’T WANT TO LOOK LIKE SANTA ROSA!) It won’t happen.

    Why did we have to spend millions on this and divide the community? It seems they are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. All projects have to meet environmental and health standards.

  11. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 10:37 am

    State law trumps your opinion, 713.

  12. December 11, 2011 at 10:53 am

    713, Old map,
    Coastal wetland delineations are incomplete.
    FEMA maps are not even updated. One of our most valued
    resources is our Raney wells and distribution pipeline.
    The pipeline follows the coast in the Manila area protected from the Pacific ONLY by a fore dune structure.

    We have idiots pulling vegetation off of our fore dunes,
    Violating every sense of propriety and reason and exposing
    our pipe to the Pacific.

    Now, if our FEMA map was done or wetlands delineated, this crap would stop immediately.
    Coastal wetlands, when mapped, enjoy a 250′ buffer.
    FEMA, when mapped shows V-Zones and AO- zones.

    As far as Girard is concerned, not even on his radar.
    Do I hate Girard. Hell no. He is just another fallible human-being, as am I.

  13. Anonymous
    December 11, 2011 at 11:06 am

    ” It seems they are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. All projects have to meet environmental and health standards.”

    Rather, they are trying to prevent a very real problem that really does exist, not just in some but most places. The entire problem is development profiteers. We should only build from the inside out, and only as absolutely necessary. Such practice is not being done in Humboldt County rigth now. There’s an abundance of “unit” availabiity in all demographics, yet plans are being pushed to build dense infrastructure for an exponential population growth that will only further sap our natural and financial resources. Not to mention the furthering of all things urban blight, one subdivision at a time.

  14. 713
    December 11, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    they could have updated the plan to get compliant with current state law, updated the maps wakeup is talking about and left it at that.

    Anonymous, ever heard of supply and demand? Where will all these people work? That is where your argument falls flat on its face. There are a very limited amount of jobs here. They can’t get doctors to move here.

    the only people flocking to humboldt are the growers and trimmers. but lets ignore the damage they are doing and talk about somebody building a house, that is a much easier target. yes, let’s set reality aside for now and pretend that a permitted development does more damage than the unpermitted development out in the hills, the rat poison and chemicals dumped into the watersheds, the damming up of the creeks, and sucking the power out the grid (while getting a discount, no less). let’s waste millions of dollars protecting the environment from a situation that isn’t happening while it is being destroyed as we meet and argue about solar shading and noise pollution.

    give me a fucking break, nero.

  15. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Um, this IS an update, 713. The argument is WHICH update to go with and the problems they are having complying with state law on affordable housing with a crumbling and inadequate utilities infrastructure.

  16. jr
    December 11, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    But isn’t the economy of the North Coast (specifically Humboldt and Del Norte counties) ready to take off as we come out of this recession? There are many people in the various urban areas of California wanting to relocate here to get out of the rat race there, and with these new formerly urban residents come prosperity for the region as a whole.

  17. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I know of a small subdivision in Cutten, I think 10 houses or so, and of the original owners only one wasn’t retired – the contractor who built all the houses. Who do you think is buying all these McMansions going up on every vacant lot? While housing prices seem exorbitant to non-professional locals, they are still cheaper than modest homes in many other places. The baby boom retirement is just getting started and there are undoubtedly more people who would prefer to live in our moderate climate and rural setting than we can accommodate.

  18. 713
    December 11, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Plain Jane says:
    December 11, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Um, this IS an update, 713. The argument is WHICH update to go with and the problems they are having complying with state law on affordable housing with a crumbling and inadequate utilities infrastructure.

    You obviously have not been following the process.

    Also, where are “all these” new houses you are talking about? There was something like 40 in the whole county last year.

    Keep fiddling with the housing while the creeks run dry to supply the dopers.

    The prices aren’t great here. That used to be the big selling point -you could get a good deal. Why are they having so much trouble recruiting doctors? Leave the city and come to Humboldt so your spouse can’t find a job and you can half the house you just moved from for the same price. Good deal.

    Those days are over for now. I know a number of people who have moved away to get a better job and an affordable house. Redding is one place they go. Medford is another. It is too bad, we are trading our workforce for wealthy retirees and drug dealers.

  19. Dan
    December 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    “The baby boom retirement is just getting started and there are undoubtedly more people who would prefer to live in our moderate climate and rural setting than we can accommodate.” PJ

    I’ll second that. Do you know how many 110 degree days Redding had last year?

  20. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    I didn’t just move here after the latest housing bust 713. I’ve lived here my whole life and know that the number of homes built one year has absolutely no relevance on how many will be built next year. Your point about people leaving here for jobs isn’t what we were talking about. It’s about people coming here who don’t need jobs anymore – the baby boomers. Did you forget?

  21. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    They are having so much trouble recruiting doctors because too many people can’t afford medical care here. Too many people no longer have jobs with health care benefits. Too many people don’t qualify for Medicare or Medicaid but can’t pay their medical bills. Insurance companies have started requiring their customers go to medical centers for some planned procedures for lower hospital costs, scraping the cream off the top and bleeding our community health care of needed revenue which will undoubtedly increase.

  22. Anon 2
    December 11, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    I have watched many of the Planning Commission meeting on TV and have seen the PC make some changes in wording. One recommended change was very clear when the PC made it and when it came back to them in a few weeks they could not even understand the change that Girard made. This has not happened just once but numerous times. The PC has complained that they have not received documents except just before their meeting began and they could not review what was in the documents. I went to several meetings and there was a stack of changes in the back of the room that had just been delivered. Tried to read to see what was going on – impossible as there were too many changes and the PC complained at that meeting about late delivery.

    Just where are the McMansions being built and sold?? I keep hearing about them but haven’t been able to find them.

    To PJ: Blue Cross has caused many issues here with doctors as they just won’t approve bills so many doctors here have posted in their offices that they won’t accept Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Used to have Blue Cross and found them to be a real pain as they would not approve anything and I paid premiums with them not approving any tests that doctors requested. I changed when I could and finally some medical care for some serious issues.

  23. December 11, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Thanks for the props — and if maverick isn’t a fit, well, Bob Ornelas called me a ‘lone wolf’ once.

  24. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Look down every long driveway in Cutten, on Walnut, Campton, Excelsior, Ridgewood, Anon 2. Look at the former farms SE of Fortuna and east of McKinleyville. Look carefully at the ridges surrounding Eureka / Arcata peppered with big houses, Look at the subdivisions the developers have in the pipeline. They don’t expect to sell those homes to McWage workers.

  25. just middle class
    December 11, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Jane, what is your standard of what is “big”, and what is your problem with someone building one? Do you advocate we place governmental limits on house size, and who will decide what is too big?

  26. December 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    The medical insurance industry has taken a page from medi-cal. Delay payments to such a degree that no hospital or clinics will take anyone on those programs. Now even with insurance we’re running into cash-only medical providers.
    What a great deal for them. The Federal government making it illegal to not have health insurance, and the companies making sure you can never collect, because health care providers refuse to see patients. Win win in the New American Century.

  27. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    You miss the point AGAIN, JMC. We are talking about the future of this county and the likelihood (or not) of it being inundated by baby boomers looking for more house in a nice climate for retirement than they could afford where there are good jobs. It’s not a discussion of how big houses should be or who should be able to build them. There is a limit on how much housing we can support on the existing infrastructure and we either have to figure out how to pay for upgrades and expansion or we have to limit how many houses can be added to the burden. Unlike in capitalistic fairy tales, there are physical limits to growth, especially if you want to preserve a decent quality of life.

  28. just middle class
    December 11, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    So, Jane, although I may have missed your obscure point, we have less than 1% of our land “developed” in 150 years, so let us say that the rate doubles, or more and we go to the outrageous 2%!!!!!, will that destroy the world here?

  29. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    It will destroy the carrying capacity of the infrastructure without expansion and upgrades JMC. It’s not just about how many square feet of house you can fit into the county. That’s the easy part.

  30. just middle class
    December 11, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Rural houses do not impact the urban infrastructure like dense urban development does. Now for carrying capacity, please cite your sources.

  31. Plain Jane
    December 11, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    They have other impacts. I’m not going to go through all the points that have been argued to death over the pros and cons of urban versus rural living. If that’s what you want, go read the billion gigabytes of threads in the archives on the subject.

  32. Anonymous
    December 11, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    713, drink fewer 24oz. Rockstars tomorrow and read 1106 again with a clear head.

  33. 713
    December 11, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Why don’t you break it down for me real simple-like.

  34. Anonymous
    December 11, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    I’ve attended most of the Planing Commission and Element meetings for several years and the developers are chomping at the bit to begin the next housing bubble….regardless of infrastructure, quality of life, affordability, and those silly little moratoriums popping up here and there.

    If we had community media, they’d be all over the irony of a county where 75% of the residents do not qualify for the homes they’ve been building here, but are paying the long-term price of infrastructure and quality of life lost to serve it.

    Just this week hundreds of residents near Cutten received notices of city-approval to merge another one of Bareillis’s illegal subdivisions into a legal one. The lot is approved for 7 units on the South foot of “J” Street (a wetland) where a single vehicle can barely maneuver. On the other side of Martin Slough, (Fern Drive), 25 large homes have been recently completed, with several more coming on Brogan Way. Developers made millions and the only “improvement” was the installation of permanent signs warning pedestrians and cyclists NOT to use Fern Drive! Go see for yourselves.

    God forbid ANYTHING from interfering with “progress”, in effect, the unbridled harvesting of the public’s infrastructure for big homes and big profits on Granddaddies big properties in Eureka/Humboldt County.

    Times Standard headlines should read: “Developer’s freedom should end where yours begin.”

  35. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 4:36 am

    34 posts and nine from Plain Jane. How refreshing

  36. 713
    December 12, 2011 at 4:58 am

    1129 you do not understand the numbers. A 25% affordability index is a measure of median income, interest rate, and median home sales. It does not mean that 75% of all residents can’t afford the homes they are building, it means that 25% of the households would qualify for the median home price, at that time. It is an index, No more, no less. Are 75% of all residents currently looking to buy a new home? See how your numbers don’t make sense now?

    I believe It takes into account all mls listings so doesn’t necessarily have much to do with new home construction, especially at times like this when most sales are existing homes.

    So shall we call those existing residents selling their homes “profiteers” 1106?

    I agree we need to increase the affordability, but I do not see how limiting supply will do this.

    The infrastructure argument is interesting because on the one hand you are saying we are beyond capacity, but on the other hand plan a people (and 1106) want to concentrate most or all development into the existing urban areas — that are beyond capacity? Sounds like a shitty plan to me.

    I guess I will have a 24oz rock star and ponder that one.

  37. December 12, 2011 at 6:24 am

    I’m glad I’m not the only one trouble by the LCO. I am hoping that is not the wave of the future.

  38. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Don’t be jealous, 4:36. If you picked an ID and posted something besides complaints about how much other people post, someone might engage you in a discussion. Apparently the only opinion you could come up with is Jane posts too much and that’s just not that interesting. Although I do appreciate you keeping count for me as I’m working on a new world record and no one would be as trustworthy as you to keep the count honest.

  39. Lost_it
    December 12, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Hank is a total exploiter. Having Kym write his blog for him while he collects the checks… she must get a cut of the ad revenue?

  40. Mitch
    December 12, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Huh. Here’s an interesting conundrum for those who think the only things worth doing are those things that pays money.

    Why would someone want to have their writing read if they’re not being paid to do it? Hard to imagine any good reason! Why would someone actually paint unless their style were profitable? Can’t think of any reason!

    We have created a dead society.

  41. Dan
    December 12, 2011 at 8:37 am

    So, Jane, although I may have missed your obscure point, we have less than 1% of our land “developed” in 150 years, so let us say that the rate doubles, or more and we go to the outrageous 2%!!!!!, will that destroy the world here? JMC 6:55

    JMC your 1% developed land =99% destroyed old-growth forest
    Wetlands obliterated, species displaced or gone and a crashed natural resource economy.
    What surprises have you on the next 1%?

  42. Espeu
    December 12, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Plain Jane in a nutshell: be afraid, be very afraid. Maybe we should build a fence around the county like they’re building on the Mexican border. Then we could employ lots of locals to man the machine gun towers placed at 200 yard intervals along the fence.

    BTW you’re constant and strident proclamation that yo are a native rings rather false to my ears. You are NOT a native. Your lily white family arrived in this land on a boat here just like the rest of the the lily whites. Five generations only means that you’re the descendant of the bunch of murdering white trash who colonized this place. Kudos.

  43. Norm DePlume
    December 12, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Mitch, do you mean to tell me we don’t get an end of year check for posting our writings on here?

    First, the NCJ does away with the free ice cream for best letter to the editor. Now this.

  44. Homer
    December 12, 2011 at 9:36 am

    “Hank Sims is getting other people to update his Lost Coast Outpost blog for free – and he’s still getting paid!”

    What’s newsworthy about this? I thought that getting paid for the work that other people accomplish was the way capitalism works.

  45. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Constant and strident, Espeu? I think I’ve referred to being a native a couple of times but have never even hinted that I think new people shouldn’t have an equal voice to those who have been here 5 generations (or 2000 for that matter) because I don’t believe that at all. It’s a fact that the longer you’ve lived here the more changes and fat / lean cycles you’ve seen. Your hyperbole is silly but at least you did it with an ID this time so you’re making progress at least.

    On another note, there are Native American oral traditions which talk about earlier people. The Wiyot have stories about the “The Old Nation,” or “Wigidokowok,” who were harassed into moving on, to where is unknown. Whether these earlier people existed or not hasn’t been definitively proven, but given the many waves of migration it is more likely than not. We all migrated from Africa.

  46. December 12, 2011 at 10:21 am

    you’re constant and strident proclamation that yo are a native

    A quick word search of this thread finds the first mention of the word “native” to come from the quote above, not from Jane.

  47. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 10:26 am

    There’s something wrong with your word search then, H, because I did mention being a native in a post to 713 (I think) in response to his post that there were few houses built in the last year and that was the extent of my “constant and strident proclamation.”

  48. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Correction, what I said was I’ve lived here my whole life.

  49. December 12, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Well, it certainly was not a “constant and strident proclamation.” Someone is touchy.

  50. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Considering the righties’ “constant and strident proclamations” that we only attack the people we fear, I accept their insults as a compliment.

  51. Load Me Another
    December 12, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Food for thought today, because as usual I’m correct: we will not all be equal until everyone has absolutely Nothing. A lazy ass will not work as hard as someone with drive. There is a bell curve in life as well as in the classroom. You just can’t fight Darwin. For many who post here, their version of the Super Bowl would be to go into the winning team’s locker room, interrupt the champagne, and ask them, in the name of “Fairness”, would they please take enough points off their final score and give it to the losing team so it will be a tie. Make no mistake, this is the kind of thinking that Occupy is trying to advance and it ain’t catchin’ on. Like him or not, get ready for Uncle Newt folks.

  52. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 11:55 am

    It’s amusing to read a post critical of Hank Sims’ ad sales from liberal patrons in a region well-known for a job market dominated by right-wingers at the Ingomar, Chamber, Rotary, and church…the same folks who dominate political contributions to keep their housing bubble-agenda on-track…(for homes unaffordable to 75% of local household incomes).

    Washington D.C. is hardly the only community in the U.S. where the sons, daughters, and friends of power must cooperate to take care of their own. Even in Podunk Eureka, where Jeff Leonard got his job at the State Comp. Insurance office…due to his many years of work in the industry, (Ha Ha). For anyone familiar with that office, and many others like it, the top positions are right-wingers who hire right-wingers.

    Plane Jane was correct when she said we should abstain from doing business with our adversaries, unless there’s no local alternative. They still persist in perpetuating a failed boom and bust vision of growth that is unsustainable.

    Much of our community’s private and public employment opportunities, including many of the lowest wage jobs, are as polarized as our politics.

    Another explanation for the popularity of anonymous blogs.

  53. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    That’s right!

    Athletes earn every penny of the multi-millions their owners pay them, a windfall of public subsidies that protected the owner’s investments via public bailouts, the same public that built their stadiums for those who can afford the tickets!

    Imagine that!

    It’s exactly how the local housing subsidies work….

    It works for the nation’s biggest welfare cheats.

  54. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Load, I haven’t heard anyone but straw man builders claim that anyone is asking for equality of outcome. Pretending there isn’t a significant political advantage to wealth (inherited or earned) that is used to further advantage the already financially and socially advantaged doesn’t work any longer. Most people realize that political power accumulates with economic power and they build on each other. That’s not how democracies are supposed to work, remember? Equal protection under the law, equal opportunity and equal representation; not equal outcomes.

    Your football analogy would be accurate if you admitted that the winning team won because the opposing team was shackled until half time. In a baseball analogy it would be the winning team only had to run from 3rd base to score while the losing team had to run all the bases.

    I find it strange that so many who claim that anyone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps do everything they can to ensure that their own kids are never faced with the challenge. If they really believed what they claim they wouldn’t burden them with the stigma of inherited wealth and college admission by legacy, but would allow them the pride of doing it on their own.

  55. Somewhat friendly
    December 12, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Plain Jane – you haven’t lived your whole life here, yet. Otherwise you’d be dead. Hopefully you still have some more life left – if for no other reason than to entertain us.

  56. Plain Jane
    December 12, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Everyone needs a purpose, 12:25.

  57. Mitch
    December 12, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    “their version of the Super Bowl would be to go into the winning team’s locker room… please take enough points off their final score and give it to the losing team so it will be a tie.”

    George W Bush for quarterback. Why? Because of his incredible football skills of course. Pay no attention to the fact that George H W Bush was the team’s last quarterback. Pay no attention to the fact that George Bush skipped football camp for Disco Island. It’s simply Darwin, right? George W Bush is best, and we live in a meritocracy.

    Goldman Sachs lost the last game. In fact, they managed to burn the field down, even though nobody thought it was inflammable, and most people still haven’t figured out how they managed it. And yet they still have the trophy. How is that? It’s simply Darwin, right?

    Survival of the fittest doesn’t mean surivial of the superior. It’s practically a tautology, meaning that the creatures that survive are those best able to extract resources from an ecological niche and then replicate. So, yes, the Presidential career of George W Bush and the financial success of bond traders at Goldman Sachs are excellent examples of survival of the fittest, just as the anticipated post-apocalyptic ecological success of the cockroaches is an excellent example. The parallels are striking. Right?

  58. December 12, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    “Food for thought today, because as usual I’m correct: we will not all be equal until everyone has absolutely Nothing. A lazy ass will not work as hard as someone with drive.” 11:54

    My guess is that Load has extremely limited working experience,
    zero interest in history or reading combined with the curiosity of a ping-pong ball. Just a guess.

  59. Big Al
    December 12, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Mitch, respectfully I must submit, many painters paint for the love of it, or because they can’t keep themselves from it. I have known several painters who sell little or none of their work, sat for one and he gave me the canvas afterward. artists are often driven to do it, not at all about the money.

  60. Mitch
    December 12, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Big Al,

    Sorry. My sarcasm key was broken.

  61. anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I was trying to place an order for Consumer Confidence with my supplier, but was told that this product is back ordered. Our store has been out of Consumer Confidence for two years.

  62. Big Al
    December 12, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    stinkin’ written language…

  63. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Hank wins as far as being an approachable human being. I think he’s borish and when push comes to shove, backs down from biting to play safe. That’s his job. Or maybe he doesn’t care, same result. Hopefully his growing posse is a bit more willing to put up a fight, the newshounds at NCJ keep their tails tucked nice and safe too.

    Coverage of humboldt’s last elections/measures were beyond pathetic. All the bullshit the candidates were slinging in broad daylight…changing party affiliation, not disclosing whose hands they were shaking or who was sponsering them…they were tight lipped, vague and outright shady regarding what they were specifically pushing for in the long run, and ALL local media was so soft on them, it was a big bullshit fest. It really made me sick to not see those candidates (now elected) lambasted for playing everybody like a bunch of gullible fools. Local media FAIL on all levels.

  64. December 12, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Load Me Another,

    I accepted your invitation and suggested a meeting at the coffee house. That was almost two weeks ago. Where have you been? It is far past time to engage in civil left-right dialog.

    have a peaceful day,

  65. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “shady regarding what they were specifically pushing for in the long run,”

    Like Bayside resident Larry Glass saying he really wasnt against the marina center?

    That crap goes both ways 5pm.

  66. December 12, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    You are in debt.

  67. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    6:02, your insult backfires, instead it’s ultimately telling, I didn’t mention anything went one way or another, but you knew exactly who I could have been talking about. “Crap” indeed, go clear your head.

  68. 713
    December 12, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    the “(now elected)” kind of gave it away.

  69. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    713, what’s your point? All candidates got off way too easy, and the ones who secured a position to direct Humboldt’s future continue to pander, still free from any grilling they are just due.

  70. Bootstraps
    December 12, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Children of Bill Gates, or children of Phillip Garrido via abducted 11 year old Jaycee Dumard, have exactly the same opportunities to succeed in our system.

  71. Anonymous
    December 12, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    sure thing, bootstraps…difference between the two only being a few BILLION DOLLARS head start.

  72. 713
    December 13, 2011 at 5:52 am

    I didn’t mention anything went one way or another, but you knew exactly who I could have been talking about.

    the “(now elected)” kind of gave it away.

    713, what’s your point?

    the “(now elected)” kind of gave it away.

  73. Richard
    December 13, 2011 at 10:08 am

    As to the general plan, percentages are a key issue. It’s my understanding that the current plan is for a growth rate of 0.5% (one half of a percent) and what Rex’s handlers want is a rate of 2% (two percent) a year.
    If so, that would mean some 20,000 new homes crammed mostly between Fortuna and Trinidad over the next 15 years.

    As to bad planning, I’m pretty sure that Kirk is just staff and that most decisions are made by the elected officials, but it is convenient for them to have staff to blame.

    As to inefficiency, I know things are run so much better in the private sector, like they were at most of the major banking institutions in this country, right?

  74. Anonymous
    December 13, 2011 at 11:46 am

    “If so, that would mean some 20,000 new homes crammed mostly between Fortuna and Trinidad over the next 15 years.”

    …and what the development “community” (farce of a term, more like a “gang”) don’t relate is that 20,000 new homes means at least 60,000 new people. It’s like cramming three more Eureka’s into Humboldt in just 15 years. BAD.

  75. December 13, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    “Kirk is just staff” Director Kirk Girard
    Community Development Services

  76. back in the saddle
    December 13, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    It must be obvious that “developers” or contractors or home builders or however you want to label them are not so stupid to build thousands, or even hundreds, or even 3 houses they cannot sell because there are no buyers. 60,000 more people in Humboldt? Where does that figure come from . . oh, wait, I got it. I’m gonna scratch mine.

  77. Anonymous
    December 13, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    2:38, look at population statistics all over california between 1970-1985, dumbass. Then again between 1990-2005, retard. Figure in land coverage, moron. But you live in a box already, won’t affect you much.

  78. Anonymous
    December 13, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    It’s like some of you think Humboldt County is this little bubble paradise that development profiteers want to preserve for us good folks instead of milking every regulation and writeoff to the hilt like they’ve done all over the state.

    This is virgin territory in so many ways, developers want MONEY and they get their MONEY from real estate and infrastructure. Central bay area went from farm fields to sprawling mcmansionvilles, massive apartment complexes and stripmalls in less than 20 years. Some of you don’t get out much, and maybe don’t care so much what’s going on in 20 years because you’ll be dead or close to it. Rocking your boats would be too traumatic, you instead would have your kids and grandkids clean up your mess.

  79. 713
    December 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    “If so, that would mean some 20,000 new homes crammed mostly between Fortuna and Trinidad over the next 15 years.”

    there is a difference between planning for and building.

    if you plan for .5% in urban areas only, you are going to end up with 5000 houses in areas with no infrastructure. if you plan for 2% and spread them out, you have infrastructure.

  80. Anonymous
    December 13, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    713, that’s very dangerous thinking. Consider natural resources, consider development profiteers, consider the rest of the state (nation). It’s a no brainer.

  81. 713
    December 13, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Dangerous thinking, oh my! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Consider in 100+ years we have developed 1% of the county. Consider damage the grows are doing right now while you worry more about somebody building a house. Consider what Arcata will look like with 2,000 more houses.

  82. Anonymous
    December 13, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    713, you’re literally crazy. Goodnight.

  83. Harold Knight
    December 14, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Consider decades of modest growth that already build several cities into moratoriums, and now the county is facing one.

    Oh I see, NOW we can trust them to start planning communities….

    HA HA HA

  84. 713
    December 14, 2011 at 6:07 am

    713, you’re literally crazy. Goodnight.

    i’m going to need more details on that one.

  85. Carcasses Swinging From the Rafters
    December 14, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Hank’s new nickname is “Meat Hooks.”

  86. grouchy
    December 17, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Was there a discussion on the GPU here? Did I miss something?

  87. Dan
    December 17, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Thanks Grouchy.
    Can anyone tell me if the General Plan Update
    includes FEMA mapping for our FEMA insured
    42″ water-main? (peninsula) I

    Does anyone know if our coastal wetland delineations have been done?

  88. Dan
    December 19, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Does anyone know if our coastal wetland delineations have been done?

    Last I heard the GPU redoers were onto the water-element.
    Is Girard going to be able to destroy our coastal wetlands before they even get mapped?

    Right now we are literally blacked out while the so called ‘restorationists’ do their ‘black-ops’- draining wetlands, killing trees
    and destroying habitat.

    The money is so good for the few, $50 an hour to oversee children and prisoners who get nothing. The process is every bit as ugly as the results. Sick, backwards and cruel.

  89. McKinleyvillan
    January 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Dan, those pine trees die of old age and wind damage. Ask any plant ecologist – oh but I know you have, and they all tell you the same thing. They tell you that YOU ARE WRONG. Ever been to a shore pine forest where there are no dunes, wetlands, or restoration? If you had, you’d see that the shore pines are very short-lived, about 40-50 years, and there’s lots of seedlings coming up. Take a walk in the shore pine forest in McKinleyville sometime and you’ll see what I mean.

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