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WalMart makes an unfortunate announcement

Twelve years after Eureka said “hell no” to WalMart we find out we’re stuck with one anyway.

[Press Release]

Walmart to Bring Store to Eureka

Store Will be Located at Former Gottschalks at Bayshore Mall

EUREKA, Calif.  (Dec. 14, 2011) – Today, Walmart announced its plans to remodel and renovate the vacant, former Gottschalks store located within the Bayshore Mall.  The store will provide customers a convenient one-stop shopping experience for families and bring opportunities for about 200 new jobs and additional tax revenue to support the area’s local economy.

Walmart received approvals earlier this month to remodel the existing building at the northwest corner of Broadway and Truesdale street.  Modest in size, Walmart’s plans include adding a pharmacy, a new vestibule, interior wall finishes, shelving and signage as well as refrigeration cases within the approximate 73,000 square foot building. Construction recently began with demolition and site preparation and is expected to continue for approximately 12 to 15 months. The site is zoned for retail use.

“Walmart stores offer a quick and convenient shopping experience for customers who need household basics, prescriptions and general merchandise all at our everyday low prices,” said Debbie Rood, Walmart regional general manager for its stores in northern California. “We are excited to bring this store closer to our customers and to join the Eureka business community as well as supporting local non-profits through our ongoing charitable giving.”

Designed as a convenient family shopping center, customers will find merchandise for their everyday household needs, along with electronics, health and beauty, sporting goods, toys and apparel at the Eureka Walmart.

The Eureka Walmart, like all new Walmart stores, includes energy-efficient technology and environmentally friendly features to reduce energy and water consumption and minimize waste. Features include LED lighting used in exterior signage and refrigeration cases, a energy management system for adjusting energy usage and one of the industry’s most efficient heating, ventilating and air conditioning (HVAC) units available. The construction and demolition program will capture and recycle the widest possible range of materials recovery options.

Walmart opened its first store in California in 1991 and currently employs more than 73,000 associates across the state. As of October 2011, the average, wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in California was $12.69 per hour (Walmart stores). In 2011, Walmart spent more than $21.9 billion for merchandise and services with 3,581 suppliers in the state of California.*

Further, in FY 2011 in California, Walmart stores, Sam’s Club and the Walmart Foundation awarded more than $29.1 million in cash and in-kind donations to local organizations in the communities they serve. Through additional funds donated by customers and by Walmart associates throughout the state, the retailer’s contributions in California totaled more than $32.5 million.

*Supplier figures provided by Dunn & Bradstreet.

  1. Just Middle Class
    December 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Oh God, this will send the Heraldoites into a frenzy!

  2. December 14, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Hmm, it seems some one is coming into town through the backdoor. Other large businesses have come in, but I bet there will not be as big of an uproar as will be heard about this one.

  3. December 14, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I hope everyone remembers the absolute arrogance of the current city council and city manager and their total disregard for the public’s right to know what is going on in their community!

    This goes far beyond whether on not WalMart is good for our community. The public has a right and a need to know in order to make informed democratic republican decisions. The city council and city manager have withheld this information from us for months. Who are they serving?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  4. anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    ….but wait, it’s more complicated. Hometown Buffet lost its lease and the food court is closing. Most of the stores between the buffet restaurant and the food court are either closed or are moving. What’s that big block of space being cleared for?

  5. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Bill: Valid points. Perhaps it’s time to Occupy City Hall. Those that do not participate in civic affairs lose their gripe rights.

  6. Mitch
    December 14, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    If only I could ask the author of the press release a few questions!

    Two hundred new jobs sounds wonderful, but I wish they would explain how selling goods to the residents of Eureka is suddenly going to require 200 more people than it has in the past. I just don’t get it.

    And, unless people start buying more stuff, how does Eureka get more tax revenue? Will it be at the expense of Fortuna and Arcata, or is there some other mechanism? If it’s just the same stuff people already buy, and they now buy it at lower prices, won’t that mean LESS tax revenue?

    Also, the author says the average wage for full-time, hourly associates is $12.69, but they forgot to say how many of the associates will be full time. Will it be all 200? 100? 50?

    Regardless, bravo to Walmart for the use of energy efficient technologies in the new stores. That’s smart.

  7. Jack Sherman
    December 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    If Eureka had a majority of community-oriented representatives, they would have called for a public vote, considering that 61% voted against Walmart 10 years ago.

    Even Jeff Leonard cleverly won his second term by running on a platform of limiting the size of future big boxes…before changing his mind, once elected. Otherwise, Walmart would not be here today.

    The effects of low-wage saturation has already devastated our economy; who would have thought, ten years ago, that Stanton’s would be selling tacos today?

    It’s well documented that the arrival of Walmart has had serious and lasting negative impacts on the rural economies it dominates.

    Prepare for far fewer shopping choices in the coming decade.

    In the interim, prepare for increased demand for welfare, food stamps, medi-cal, and housing aid that Walmart employees require, as well as, the predictable increases in crime, drug abuse, and illness that accompany poverty.

    How idiotic to add additional poverty-wage jobs to a rural economy that ‘s already saturated in them.

  8. December 14, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Oh God, this will send the Heraldoites into a frenzy

    And it will send HumCPR jumping for joy, apparently.

  9. Bolithio
    December 14, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    blah blah…

    What we need to be talking about is the rumor that an IN&OUT is going in at the old arctic circle location?!@#$%^

  10. December 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Mitch, Walmart will draw from all over the county along with neighboring counties. The people who have been driving to shop at Walmart in Crescent City or elsewhere will now be spending money in our county instead of supporting the economy in other counties thus putting more people in Humboldt to work and adding revenue to our community. Also the tons of people like me that shop on Walmart.com will now be spending our money locally. We have been shopping at Walmart for years either online or going elsewhere so now we will be spending the money here. Understand Now?

  11. Mitch
    December 14, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Rich,

    Crescent City is 84 miles from Eureka. McKinleyville is 14 miles from Eureka and 70 miles from Crescent City.

    Are you really suggesting that people have been driving 70 miles from McKinleyville (the northernmost population center in Humboldt) for the joy of shopping at Crescent City’s Walmart? Paying for a six gallon, $24 round-trip to save money on their shopping?

  12. December 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Myself and several other community members did a CA Public Records Request to the City of Eureka regarding the city government’s interactions with Gottchalk’s, WalMart Stores East LP, Dew Claw LLC, and The Carrington Company (and any of the above entities’ affiliates, agents, subcontractors etc). The City let us inspect (and copy some things) that were almost all from the building dept. Clearly, we knew it was WalMart. But nothing from City Council or City Manager Tyson- except ONE email from Marian Brady to Dave Tyson and to the whole council.

    from our letter to the city clerk describing the sole email provided in response to our request that was not from the building and community development departments –

    an email from the City Manager to the Mayor and City Councilmembers, dated June 2011 – clearly stated that City staff had at that time “been working with the property owners and General Growth for nearly 6 months on this development.” However, not a single record of that work, which would have occurred during January – June 2011, was included in our request. We find it very difficult to believe that City staff could work with a developer for 6 months without generating a single public record, and therefore we are forced to conclude that additional records responsive to our request exist and should be provided for our review.

    Think we got additional records? Nope. And only one city council member disclosed HAVING that one City email, although they all received it.

  13. Mitch
    December 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    And Rich,

    Why are you linking your name to a domain for sale? Seems odd. Do you live in Humboldt County?

  14. December 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    “Clearly, we knew it was WalMart.”

    Sorry, that didn’t make sense. At the time, people were in denial and still saying, “Is it really WalMart moving into Gottchalks?” I was sure before looking at the docs, but could more easily convince someone else after looking at the building docs and permits.

  15. December 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Mitch,

    I know your question was for Rich, but I know individuals that waited in line the night before “black Friday.” There are several individuals from our area that go that way to WalMart.

    The cost of gas isn’t not something to stop people from shopping elsewhere, we all want to get out of town, just looking for a change, and maybe shopping in Crescent city’s WalMart gave that change needed.

  16. December 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Yes Mitch not only am I suggesting it I know for a fact that several hundreds friends go up to Crescent City to shop. It’s a nice trip and a nice change from Eureka. We also go to the Walmart in Redding and Ukiah and I know friends that travel to Medford, OR to shop at other larger Dept stores not available in our area. From talking to others I would say the amount of people from Humboldt County that go to other Walmart’s during the year is easily in the thousands. Remember gas in Crescent City is 50 cents a gallon cheaper and it’s good to get away once in awhile. Believe it or not there is LIFE outside of Humboldt County. I run into more people at Walmart in Crescent City when I go that are from Eureka and Fortuna then I run into in Eureka when I’m shopping including elected officials.

    I have lived in Eureka for the last 24 years and last time I checked Eureka was still in Humboldt County. What about you do live in Humboldt? You don’t seem to know what goes on in Humboldt, don’t even know your neighbors if you do live here shop at Walmart in other area’s or online so it makes me wonder. I may have made a misprint when I entered my website because the domain is not for sale it’s Safeplane.net try it I guarantee it’s there or I’m paying high server fees for nothing!

  17. December 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Anyone care to start a pool on which first locally-owned business will go under after the predator, oops I mean Walmart, arrives?

  18. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “I hope everyone remembers the absolute arrogance of the current city council and city manager and their total disregard for the public’s right to know what is going on in their community! ”

    Until Walmart makes it official, the public does not have a right to know. Hate Wallyworld or love em, until they announce, it really isn’t our “right”. They are going into a mall that is zoned appropriately for a retail business like Wallyworld.

    The current city council and city manager would likely be breaking the law should they disclose the new tenant, before the tenant was ready to announce.

    ” The public has a right and a need to know in order to make informed democratic republican decisions. ”

    We (the public) have no right to make a decision regarding this; remember, the vote in 1999 was about a zoning change – something that has no bearing in this case. We can, however, make decisions with our wallets and choose to shop there or not. I doubt Winco and Safeway are going away; Kmart – maybe, but – meh…

    “The city council and city manager have withheld this information from us for months. Who are they serving?”

    They are serving the City, Bill, despite the fact you are unhappy with them.

    Just like the moritorium on medical mmj, something you are quite unhappy about, the city made the tough choice to protect the city from legal liability from the feds.

    How exactly do you propose to stop walmart Bill, when it is a legally permitted retail space?

    If the city tried to stop them, they’d be sued, likely lose even more money in litigation losses, and STILL be unable to stop wallyworld from coming in.

  19. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Traveling frequently between Eureka and Crescent City I know the gas prices and they are not .50 cheaper in Crescent City. Usually Crescent City’s gas prices are about .05 cheaper. Currently, they are 3.89/gallon in Crescent City as I was there yesterday. If you really want lower gas prices, just go about 25 miles further north to Brookings and they are about 3.50/gallon. Plus you can shop at Fred Meyer and without sales tax. (But you will still have to pay the tax based on the rate where you live by declaring same when you file your taxes in April. Very few people do so and the Board of Equalization is stepping up enforcement of this law.) Still, a trip to Crescent City will allow for lunch at the Chart Room at the harbor or Tomasini’s Enoteca in downtown.

  20. December 14, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Let’s see Pay-N-Pack was here in the eighties and sold things super cheap mainly building supplies and housewares. Didn’t hurt the way overpriced Pierson’s then so it won’t be them. Not many except the high priced downtown stores are locally owned. They cater to a different crowd and the tourists. Someone asked that question when Target came and the only retail stores that closed were Chain stores from out of the area. More advertising just might and I say might save the Times-Standard if anything can save the Denver, Co. based newspaper. Besides Pierson’s what large retail business is locally owned?

  21. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Thomas Home Center in McKinleyville.

  22. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    7:26 nailed it.
    Nothing left but the shouting….

  23. December 14, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    I stand corrected on the gas difference in Crescent City. I had a major stroke last Christmas and haven’t been up to Crescent City for over a year. It use to be that Crescent City would match the prices in Brooking’s in order to get the business since many from Crescent City would just drive across the border and fill up for less. I see this has changed. There use to be about a 35 cent to 50 cent difference between Costco in Eureka and the Gas for Less in Crescent City depending on which grade of gas you bought.

  24. Josephine Blowe
    December 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    *GASP* It’s the fourth horseman of the Apocalypse! Duck and cover, Wal-Mart is coming!

  25. December 14, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Thomas home center, Pierson’s, Ace and the other building supply stores have nothing to worry about until Home Depot opens here and that will be at least 5 or 10 years. Pierson’s will be 50 next year and I don’t see it being around to much longer the owners are aging and won’t be around forever. Thomas home center has been around for 37 years. They are getting older to. They have their General Contracting which accounts for a large part of their business and in no way will Walmart effect them. Even Home Depot won’t hurt them!

  26. December 14, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    ‘The current city council and city manager would likely be breaking the law should they disclose the new tenant, before the tenant was ready to announce.”

    Which law would that be? Is it in the city ordinances? Where?

    I think the city council and the city manager are serving the interests of a huge monopoly corporation – 1 %ers who will suck the economic lifeblood right out of the local economy.

    When are the people of Eureka going to stand up?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  27. A Little Bird Told Me
    December 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    I heard Boss Arkley leaned on Dave Tyson to grease the skids for Wal-Mart when they showed interest in the Bayshore Mall. Arkley is vindictive that way. He knows his enemies hate Wal-Mart, so he wants to make sure they’re welcomed here with open arms. Also, them getting a 73,000 sq. ft. toehold now opens the door for them to eventually colonize the entire mall with a SuperCenter after they kill off everything else there.

    Like Congressional Republicans’ vitriol for Obama, Arkley’s hate knows no bounds. He’d rather economically sell his town down the river to get at his enemies than do the right thing and protect the independent businesses that make our corner of the world special. Cutting off his nose to spite his face.

  28. December 14, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    I am sorry, Walmart at this time- economically,
    is senseless. We are doing regressive behavior,
    and it is totally back-door. Tyson or Girard?
    Or is this a clusterfrack?

  29. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    You know, WalMart could come here for any time they want without consulting all of you, or the City of Eureka. They secured a lease at the mall. They didn’t try to change zoning or buy a piece of property. They just entered a mall that is already zoned for their type of store. Simple as that, folks. No conspiracy here needed.

    I have no reason to shop there. Y’all wanted that mall and were fine with the cheaper prices, watched the downtown get destroyed, and now you are all bitching. You’re a little late.

  30. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    “Which law would that be? Is it in the city ordinances? Where?”

    Bill, WALMART did not apply for a permit, thus nobody could say that WALMART was coming to the Bayshore mall.

    One of the primary contractors who builds walmarts pulled the permit.

    This has all been documented ad nauseum in the NCJ, the Sentinal, and the LCO.

    Of course everyone pretty much knew Walmart was coming in, but given the fact that it wasn’t Walmart that pulled the permit, nobody at the city of eureka could make any kind of official statement to the public; to do so, would certainly put them at risk of a legal action from Walmart in that they have stated (see the sentinal article) that they will not announce until they are ready to build in order to keep it from other big box competitors who might want to try and beat walmart into whatever area they are going into.

  31. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    “I heard Boss Arkley leaned on Dave Tyson to grease the skids for Wal-Mart when they showed interest in the Bayshore Mall.”

    Yeah, right, cause you know, Arkley would love another garden center to compete with the HD garden center when (if) the Marina Center is developed.

  32. December 14, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    LIke I said, they are serving the interests of the huge monopoly corporation, not the people of Eureka. If they were serving the interests of the people of Eureka they would have gone public with what they knew instead of guarding it like a state secret.

    You are painting yourself into a ludicrous corner where the city approves major projects without knowing who the business is going to be. Nonsense. You all deserve to be recalled or fired.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  33. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    “Which law would that be? Is it in the city ordinances? Where?”

    It would be a civil action by Walmart, Bill, not a violation of city ordinances – which, hey – if you think you have such an outstanding case, why don’t you sue Walmart, Dave Tyson and the Eureka City Council?

    Just give us a heads up, I’ll need a few minutes to make some popcorn and get down to the courthouse.

  34. Mitch
    December 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    OK, Rich, I stand corrected. Yes I live in Humboldt but no, I never imagined people would think a jaunt to out-of-town Walmarts would be a nice trip. Live and learn. I agree that the drive to CC is spectacular, but I never thought of Walmart as a destination.

  35. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    “You are painting yourself into a ludicrous corner where the city approves major projects without knowing who the business is going to be. Nonsense. You all deserve to be recalled or fired.”

    Bill, who pulled the permit? You’re like a little kid putting his fingers in his ears yelling “I cant hear you, neener neener neener” when someone tries to engage in reasonable conversation with you.

    Again, Walmart did not pull the permit. A contractor with major ties to Walmart did; everyone knew it was going to be Walmart, but until Walmart announced, it wasn’t the city’s responsibility to make an announcement that could open them up to civil liablilty.

    Please, come to the next city council meeting and lecture the council and dave tyson; I’ll be watching on tv, and it will certainly be more entertaining than the drivel shown on the networks.

  36. A Little Bird Told Me
    December 14, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Arkley could give a rat’s ass about the maybe – one day – Home Depot tenant at his wannabe Marina Center-anchored Big Box by the Bay. Any garden center the dinky WalMart is going to have will impact his archnemesis Pierson Building Co. much faster than his “maybe” Home Depot. Do you actually think Rob thinks about such things?

    Remember, his wife Cherie and her friend Nancy Phlegmming were big supporters of WalMart back in 1998-99. So this one runs in the family.

  37. December 14, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    If you think WalMart will be a boon to business in Eureka, travel to your precious Crescent City and look for healthy locally owned businesses. A few restaurants, perhaps? An auto repair? It’s an economic ghost town. True it was never a powerhouse economy but now it’s ridiculous. And enough wasn’t enough for WalMart. Now they’re expanding by an additional 80,000 square feet in CC to create a SUPERSTORE, selling groceries and everything else in order to be sure NO money escapes their clutchs. Think they won’t here? Good luck with that. In fact, a successful store here will probably eventually doom the CC store, leaving a wrecked economy and a huge vacancy. Think it doesn’t happen? Check out WalMart’s history. Place your bets, Ladies and Gentlemen.

  38. Carla Baku
    December 14, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    200 minimum-wage jobs that don’t allow a person to keep body and soul together. Most of those jobs will be part-time so that there are no benefits whatsoever. All that, while the store undercuts local business and floods our community with even more cheap Chinese-made garbage.

    Eureka made its decision about WalMart a long time ago. Oh well, people…your current city council circus DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT what the people want.

    My hope is that Eureka stays away in droves. Boycott Wally World.

  39. December 14, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    No what happened is you lied in your first post when you said disclosure would mean the city council were breaking the law.

    I called you out on the lie and you walked it back to “a possible civil action.”

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  40. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    The City had nothing to do with this. WM had just as much right as anyone to come in here.

  41. December 14, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    So what you are saying is some contractor pulled some permits and got the ok, no problem? No one asked who the tenant woould be? What if it was the owner of Oaksterdam, wanting to build the worlds biggest medical marijuana dispensary? No problem, right?

    This bullshit is getting deeeep.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  42. Walt
    December 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    BUY, DAMN YOU!
    oh, and have a nice day.

    –your friends at Walmart

  43. December 14, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    You know, 9:28, the people who have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in a Eureka medical marijuana dispensary that they were assured would be a completely legal investment will gain much comfort from your comment. When their lawsuit against Tyson and the city comes to trial may they call you as an expert witness?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  44. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Remember, “everything is fine, keep shopping.”

  45. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    More local businesses tanked as soon as Walmart came to Crescent City than I can even remember. They’re still tanking, it’s very sad. Garbage everywhere now too.

  46. December 14, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Now I’ll feel classy when I shop at WinCo.

  47. Plain Jane
    December 14, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    At least Winco is employee owned.

  48. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Crescent City will soon have a new book and music store after the first of the year. Also, a wine bar is in the planning stages.

  49. Anonymous
    December 14, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    New book and music store for CC, and even wine? Really? It’s looking up for the ugliest (inside and out) city in the most beautiful place in the world. Meanwhile, Eureka, that bastion of corruption and entrenched efforts by the lowlife ruling denizens to maintain a fetid fiefdom of crack liquor stores and weaving hos by the library, will welcome Walmart because that store is perfect for Yoo-reak-a. OK, sorry to all my friends in Eureka, but if the good people of that city can’t rise up against the crap that continues to be foisted upon them (black-bag police force anyone?), then the city is doomed to spiral downward into a cesspool of the worst sorts of waste product that capitalism has to offer.

    Have a nice day.

  50. jr
    December 14, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I have heard the the new Crescent City City Manager used to be on the Board of the California Downtown Association and he is focused on upgrading the look of the downtown area. I was there yesterday and much work is being done in the public areas of downtown plus in the park the borders the ocean. A Family Fun Center is being planned as is a yoga/juice bar/metaphysical bookstore business.

  51. 69er
    December 15, 2011 at 1:05 am

    I would not take the comments of Rich morris serious as he has made some erronious statements concerning other businesses on another forum earlier this evening.

  52. December 15, 2011 at 4:55 am

    Crescent City sold its sole when the
    Pelican Bay Torture Chamber was installed.
    Walmart is the icing on the soulless burg.

  53. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 6:21 am
  54. Eddie Willers
    December 15, 2011 at 7:29 am

    If the people of Humboldt County don’t really want Walmart here, they won’t patronize the store and it will fail.
    I suspect that Walmart will get plenty of business and revenue from the locals.

  55. Mitch
    December 15, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Winco is employee-owned? Progressives would be smart to start working with Winco, today, to see how it can out-compete Walmart.

    Walmart will not stay long if it cannot meet its numbers. If the community really does not want Walmart, peer pressure can be used to seriously reduce Walmart’s revenue.

    To truly have an impact on Walmart would require convincing people outside the standard progressive circles that your facts are right and that your facts matter in their lives. Wouldn’t that be good practice for politics?

  56. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Sad, sneaky, and sad, just sad. 61% of Eureka voters said “No” to Wallmart in 1999.

  57. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Yes it is, Mitch. And coincidentally, the NYT has an article today about worker owned businesses:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/opinion/worker-owners-of-america-unite.html?ref=opinion

  58. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Walmart preys on poverty, those who have no choice but to stretch every dollar. Ironically, the anti-business anti-growth policies espoused in this blog help create the perfect mix of high cost of living and limited economic opportunity Walmart thrives on.

  59. December 15, 2011 at 8:45 am

    For the record, Team Heraldo is pro-local business and pro-smart growth.

  60. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 8:49 am

    I’ve seen a lot of people turned off Walmart because they feel like they are deliberately being cheated. Prices rung up wrong, double and triple charges for items, and long lines of angry people waiting to get their refunds is enough to discourage shopping there for people who value their time. For people who don’t count the value of their time in the cost of shopping, or who don’t pay attention to the accuracy of their receipts, this may not be a problem. There is a very high cost to Walmart’s low prices and, unfortunately, even those of us who refuse to shop there have to help pay that price.

  61. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 9:06 am

    “For the record, Team Heraldo is pro-local business and pro-smart growth.”

    Same Diff. Both artificially limit supply and raise the cost of goods beyond what most can afford. It sounds great, it just doesn’t work.

  62. December 15, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Sounds like a win-win for Walmart and a lose-lose for regular people.

  63. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 9:39 am

    “Sounds like a win-win for Walmart and a lose-lose for regular people.”

    Depends on who you consider “regular people” many of them benefit from Walmart”s lower prices and others may own shares. It is not a simple us vs. them equation.

    In addition, the real key to economic success lies in what we make, not where we buy it. Local producers have a much much bigger impact on our local economy than retail, yet because they are less visible, their needs are neglected (except in Arcata).

  64. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 9:55 am

    So, Jane, you think the employees of WalMart have been trained to cheat their customers, “accidently” ring things up wrong? No doubt a person who believes this would also believe other conspiracy theories. Sounds ludicrous to me.

    I am not a WalMart fan, but let’s stick to the facts.

  65. High Finance
    December 15, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Too bad for the left but this is still a free country. You can’t keep WalMart out if it is going into a location already zoned retail.

    And before all you go into silly hysterics, those businesses that might have been hurt bad by WalMart were already driven out by the Bayshore Mall, Costco, K-Mart and Target many years ago.

    Even if these 200 jobs were all minimum wage (which they won’t be) 200 new jobs are better than another empty store in Eureka.

    Elitist snobs are free to shop elsewhere but the rest of the people are looking forward to the store.

  66. December 15, 2011 at 9:58 am

    200 new jobs doesn’t equal 200 new jobs when WalMart forces other stores to close. That is simply job relocation.

  67. Mitch Trachtenberg
    December 15, 2011 at 10:00 am
  68. Mitch Trachtenberg
    December 15, 2011 at 10:01 am

    “It’s something so radical that it would have been considered crazy had it been pushed by the Bush administration,” said Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch. “It establishes precisely the kind of system that the United States has consistently urged other countries not to adopt. At a time when the United States is urging Egypt, for example, to scrap its emergency law and military courts, this is not consistent.”

  69. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 10:19 am

    No, 9:55, I don’t think they “train” their people to do much of anything. Most of the “errors” are due to the wrong prices being entered into the computer for which Walmart is regularly fined and the multiple rings per item is probably due to lack of conscientiousness on the part of the clerks and Walmart not caring that their clerks make them more money by ripping off customers. It’s not like the clerk gets the money the customers are cheated out of.

  70. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 10:21 am

    9:39 said, “Local producers have a much much bigger impact on our local economy than retail”

    Just how many of those local products do you think Walmart is going to carry?

  71. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 10:25 am

    So let’s imagine you are over-charged $5 at Walmart. Is it in your best interest to stand in line for 15 to 30 minutes to get your refund or just let Walmart keep it? Either way you lose.

  72. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Retail doesn’t really “create” jobs, local or not. The jobs are created by people who invent and produce the products we want to buy. Stocking shelves and passing items over a scanner are only the downstream results of someone else’s innovation.

    As a local economy, what we make is vastly more important than where we buy it.

  73. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 10:39 am
  74. Good Ol' Boy Hater
    December 15, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Walmart will succeed here because, sadly, the ghettoization of the Westside by Tyson and Co. has ensured them a secure supply of low-income shoppers who feel they have no choice but to shop there. It’s a dog chasing its tail, people.

  75. Mitch Trachtenberg
    December 15, 2011 at 10:52 am

    What difference does a Walmart make when, as an American, you can be arrested and detained by the military on American land, without trial, and shoved into Guantanamo?

    Of course you’d have to be declared a “terrorist,” but the definition of terrorist has shown a great deal of flexibility in recent years. And, of course, the military doesn’t need to show you’re a terrorist, they just need to say you are. Our watchdog press will certainly investigate at least as well as they investigated Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

    This is the most destructive act towards the nation’s laws and principles since the Wall Street bailout, which was itself as much the fault of the Democratic Party as the Republican. If this is truly passed, the Democratic Party and Barack Obama will justifiably go down in history as being the hapless captain and crew overseeing the death of American democracy.

    If Obama has any spine at all, he will keep to his former commitment to veto this bill. Unfortunately, a commitment from Obama is written in air.

  76. December 15, 2011 at 10:54 am

    None of these arguments some of you are making are new, in that, WalMart itself spends lots of money telling people that they will bring jobs and cheap prices and be a good thing for the community. The truth, however, is what towns and cities ALL OVER have experienced whether they welcomed WalMart or not. Those towns and cities FALL APART, economically and other ways.

    As to the City, apparently their staff was talking about this for months, and the City Manager and Council illegally withheld public records about that. The City officials have been hiding what some of us have known for a while. They have no mandate to hide information from the public.

    Check out towns and cities all over the country. Non-activists, “regular” people, poor people, working people- explaining, crying, making you tubes, protesting about how WalMart is ruining or has ruined their lives and their cities/towns. don’t be a fool sticking up for WalMart

    Here’s a video you could watch and spread around: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUHienDVtIk

    Richardson Grove Action Now and others have told you (even created a graphic) of the connections between the proposed highway expansions and WalMart (and other big box). WalMart is definitely the worst. If you don’t resist this crap now, you will see the Humboldt Bay area completely change, and you won’t like it. Big box distribution centers, closed down businesses (including local trucking companies), less jobs, more outside and big truck traffic, horrible economy, sprawl, less forest, destroyed rivers… need I go on? WalMart, Arkely, the Feds, etc don’t care if this place remains rural or retains anything you like about it!

    But, you can choose to stick up for WalMart. Probably the same people who stuck up for Maxxam, and now what d’ya got?

  77. Plain Jane
    December 15, 2011 at 10:57 am

    People are cutting their own economic throats for the illusion of saving a few dollars.

    http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/research/walmart.shtml

  78. December 15, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Let’s see, connection between Richardson’s Grove
    highway expansion and Walmart?

    I see that now. Thanks,
    new opponent of highway expansion.

    Highway Expansion= Walmarts

  79. Mitch
    December 15, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Highway expansion? Walmart? Connection?

    You people probably think there are connections between bank bailouts and income inequality, or between oil imports and the military industrial complex!

    Some crazies see conspiracies everywhere. Nothing you can do ’bout it.

    Everything’s fine. Please go back to sleep, everyone.

  80. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 11:33 am

    You are all retarded and no one cares about your bong drum pity parties…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  81. Mitch
    December 15, 2011 at 11:39 am

    That’s cello-harp pity party to you, bub.

  82. December 15, 2011 at 11:51 am

    “WalMart … secured a lease at the mall. They didn’t try to change zoning or buy a piece of property.”

    Anonymous summed things up neatly. And though I hate the idea, I would guess that, if not a majority, about half the people in Humboldt would welcome a new source of crappy consumer goods.

  83. poop and pee on walmart, please.
    December 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Over 20 million child laborers geting paid 14 cents an hour work for Walmart.

  84. slave mart
    December 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    They mostly operate sweatshops in Saipan, China and Nicaragua that manufacture most of the clothes sold in their stores. People in the stores work for ten hours a day and seven days a week and are paid as low as twelve cents. They are unable to complain at all. The children are often strip searched for food or water being brought in to prevent them from soiling the clothes from the food and water. They are often hungry and dehydrated and are forced to work overtime without pay; it is considered as volunteer pay. Also, affiliated is Kathy Lee Gifford, where she owns her own sweatshop in Honduras selling her line of clothing to Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart has been fined about $200,000 for violating 1,436 child labor laws by the Maine Department of Labor, when it was discovered that Wal-Mart employed under-aged children and making them work at least ten days in a row. They had been warned several times, but they persisted. This fine was the largest fine that the state ever levied.

  85. Apologist Not
    December 15, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Thanks to Walmart’s prolific and egregious employment violations, and the whisleblowers, regulatory enforcement, class-action and civil lawsuits that follow, no retail giant in U.S. history has as many books, documentaries and financial research available that prove, beyond doubt, how Walmart injures workers and rural economies.

    Therefore, it is remarkable and outrageous how consecutive Eureka city councils, a gaggle of deep pocket blowhards, brown-nose wannabes, and their Times-Standard mouthpiece, continue ignoring and denying Walmart’s record of negative impacts upon the rural communities they assault.

    They even ignored Eureka’s own $30,000 independent economic study that concluded Eureka was saturated in low-wage retail jobs in 1999,(Bay Area Economics).

    Who are these people serving? The Walmart employees they deride as “minions” who will qualify for public services (because $12/hr is still a poverty wage at 20 hours/week)?

    These liars keep spinning myths because our local media lost their public-interest reporting a generation ago.

    How does Walmart help poor families with “Low prices” that are proven to skyrocket as competition diminishes? (Eureka’s grocery giant Ray’s hasn’t even needed customers for a decade…still patiently skimming off limited grocery sale-dollars waiting for its competitors to fail).

    The last thing Walmart would need today in Eureka is a lawsuit against the city it wants to enter!

    The city council knows this, but wanted to shirk their obligation to “leak” a “high probability” that Walmart was coming, despite voter disapproval of Walmart.

    A lawsuit is utterly ridiculous! (Another tenant interested in tens of thousands of Bayshore Mall s/f? Right. Even the Safeway giant is consolidating, leaving two empty hulks in their wake).

    Which is exactly what Walmart has done across rural America…another inconvenient truth down the memory hole.

  86. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    The Walmart – Richardson Grove connection is complete BS. Walmart has wanted to put a store here long before Confusion Hill and Richardson Grove were even dreamed of.

    In fact, the economics are exactly the opposite. Walmart’s biggest competitive advantage is its ability distribute goods more cost effectively than their competition. The improvements in RG will level the playing field for the small guy if they impact retail at all.

    The RG project is about removing the barriers our local producers face when they sell their products outside of Humboldt County. Unlike the imaginary jobs Walmart will create, these are real jobs that are the foundation of a healthy local economy.

    The anti-RG crowd needs to stop riding the coat tails of general anti-Walmart sentiment and rely on their own shaky facts.

  87. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    The idea that, somehow, this was kept a secret is a joke. Months ago I ordered a prescription refill from my insurance company and they asked me if I wanted to pick it up at Wallmart. When I told them we didn’t have one, they replied that they showed a Walmart located on Broadway in Eureka.

  88. Bolithio
    December 15, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    That’s cello-harp pity party to you, bub.

    lol

  89. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    “Walmart has wanted to put a store here long before Confusion Hill and Richardson Grove were even dreamed of.”

    Sorry but you’re wrong. The state had plans to make 101 and 299 wider since at least the mid-90’s, when they began lobbying…er…shmoozing…er…rubbing elbows with….er….putting ideas in the heads of local politicos that it would be a good idea, despite the fact that it was on their agenda to do it anyway. Corporate Walmart is multi-billion, they know the infrastructure and development plans long before the general public does.

  90. December 15, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    This is a positive development for those who found the dress code at WinCo to be too strict.

  91. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    What makes the Winco dress code too strict?

  92. December 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    I think it is a joke jr.
    Generally it’s where you go to
    see folks shopping in their pajamas

  93. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Exposed butt-cracks are limited to 3/4″. Enforcement is selective.

  94. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    So is Winco a Redneck Crack House?

  95. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    “Sorry but you’re wrong. The state had plans to make 101 and 299 wider since at least the mid-90′s, when they began lobbying…er…shmoozing…er…rubbing elbows with….er….putting ideas in the heads of local politicos that it would be a good idea, despite the fact that it was on their agenda to do it anyway. Corporate Walmart is multi-billion, they know the infrastructure and development plans long before the general public does.”

    True STAA was Federal law and was on the County’s wish list, but because of the issues I raised, not Walmart. Their scale makes such issues much less of a problem than it is for small stores. Do they support transportation improvements? Very few businesses don’t. But STAA access wasn’t a factor in locating here. Like vultures, they can smell a rotting economy from miles away.

  96. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Widening of 101, 299 and 199 go back even further to the 60s when it was the stated goal of the communities in the Redwood Empire to have a four lane freeway from the Golden Gate Bridge to the Oregon border as well as improving the cross mountain highways. What killed these plans was the first oil shortage in late 1973 and the election of Jerry Brown to his first term as Governor when he appointed Adriana Gianturco as the head of Caltrans. Eureka had proposed four routes through town: A freeway on the blocks between 3rd and 4th streets, a freeway behind the Eureka Inn (and that was why the Downtowner Motel was built), a freeway through Henderson Center and a freeway east of Cutten. Caltrans never really recovered its momentum in District 1 with the bulk of the highway dollars going to the State’s urban areas.

  97. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The Bayshore Mall was build in the right-of-way of the first two freeway routes as many of the newer motels are.

  98. TimH
    December 15, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    They sure aren’t good at keeping secrets, this project was advertised and the plans were available to bid on back in October at the Builders’ Exchange under the title: “TENANT IMPROVEMENT WALMART #5629 EUREKA”.

  99. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    “What killed these plans was the first oil shortage in late 1973 and the election of Jerry Brown to his first term as Governor when he appointed Adriana Gianturco as the head of Caltrans.”

    Dont forget the Good Ol Boys who decided it would be bad for business. These were three alternatives not 3 planned freeways though.

  100. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    jr said: “Widening of 101, 299 and 199 go back even further to the 60s when it was the stated goal of the communities in the Redwood Empire to have a four lane freeway from the Golden Gate Bridge to the Oregon border”

    Nice spin, jr. No, it was the goal of developers back then just as it is now. Refering to a handful of wealthy handshakers a “community” is pretty lame.

  101. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    The up side is that they will be limited in scope. No mega-mart. They’ll probably take over other parts of the mall though, assuming that they do well enough to stay in business. I expect there will be a flurry at first. We’ve already lost Borders. Will Petco survive?

    They’ll probably put Kmart out of business, which would open that space up for something other than retail if anybody has the the drive to do that.

  102. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    “True STAA was Federal law and was on the County’s wish list”

    Same thing, nice spin. It wasn’t the County but the developers and paid politicos calling all the shots. The general population of Humboldt County hasn’t and isn’t being given a vote whatsoever.

  103. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    When I mentioned the communities in the Redwood Empire, I should have noted that it was the Redwood Empire Association (now gone) that advocated for the freeways. Don Clausen was also vocal in the freeway movement. This was the era when Raymond Dasmann (HSC professor) wrote The Destruction of California. I would say that there was more “boosterism” back then for roads and other developments simply because the “good old boys” didn’t have any opposition and such could basically run the towns through which the highway passed.

  104. Pro Peller
    December 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    The truth is that Wal-Mart is owned by the 1%, The profits from WalMart don’t recirculate in the community, the profits flow directly to the 1%.

    Wal Mart is basically strip-mining the American retail economy. Once it is ruined they will move on, big boxes are cheap to build especially with sweet local tax deals and incentives.

    What incentives has Tyson given away to these 1 %ers? WalMart always gets some giveaways, what are they in Eureka? Probably expensive infrastructure improvement all the way from Bayshore Mall to the Balloon tract.

    I’ll bet you a thousand dollars.

  105. December 15, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    All is not lost! There is a way to get rid of Wallmart. UNIONIZE IT! It’s true — every Wallmart store that has unionized has closed shortly thereafter. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0511-03.htm

  106. anon
    December 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Walmart will come to Eureka and will be a success because they did their homework and know there is a fairly sizeable population that will patronize them here (not the Tysons, or Arkleys or their ilk, of course).
    So, since they are coming whether people like it or not, let’s hope their presence at least reinvigorates the mall, ctreates jobs at whatever salaries and creates some positive change.

    And maybe down the road when Eurekans get a clue and the stuck-in-the-past, can’t-think-out-of-the-box city manager & city council change, maybe then Eureka can aspire to something more than it is now, which is pretty pathetic.

  107. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    “Wal Mart is basically strip-mining the American retail economy. Once it is ruined they will move on, big boxes are cheap to build especially with sweet local tax deals and incentives.”

    Excellent point. What escapes attention is the fact that the proverbial 1% are largely their own secular interest. Doesn’t matter to them which of their multiple enterprises fail, as those businesses are flavors of the month, so to speak, in their eyes from the beginning. Blockbuster and Hollywood video, for example, both fall under the same money umbrella, both defunct but the top dogs don’t care one way or another, things went as planned, they made out like bandits and left their company employees out of work.

  108. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Remember the consumer rage around Montgomery Wards closing shop? What immediately followed was the beginning of a new era of disposable big box retailers rotating occupancy in stripmalls across America. Follow the money: all the same investors. They don’t care about anything but buying another vacation home and redecorating their pool houses.

  109. jr
    December 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    All this is true, but what can one do about it beside choosing where to shop (no chain storea, no franchises). And definitely no online purchases because at least the chains are employing people, paying sales taxes and making donations (albeit small) to fund raising events. How does one break the hold that chain stores have over a community?

  110. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Verbean(Kim Starr) did you pay for your foia request with your credit card? You phony sack of @$%&.

  111. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Kim Starr at least has the nerve to make her statements using her own name, Anonymous 6:11 pm.

  112. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Though i see her name dropped frequently regarding matters of protest, i’ve never looked into who verbena? kim star? is…I’ve been told a former tree sitter. Kudos to her for that! The rest of her story doesn’t matter to me, why would I let something like that pollute my focus of our common goal regarding this issue, as it obviously has folks like 6:11. She’s protesting like the rest of us, and like the rest of us, for the rest of us, in this matter.

  113. Apologist Not
    December 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    “The improvements in RG will level the playing field for the small guy….”.

    You mean, as soon as it’s widened, we can start hiring our own foreign children to flood communities with toxic crap and to mine the raw cobalt for our own computer and cellphone mfg; open up our off shore tax havens, pay zero taxes, outsource our jobs and get appointed to top government posts in Washington D.C.?

    Are level playing fields the new conservatism?

    Count me in!

  114. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    “No what happened is you lied in your first post when you said disclosure would mean the city council were breaking the law.

    I called you out on the lie and you walked it back to “a possible civil action.””

    Bill, you are flat out hilarious! Time after time, you post things here on the interwebs as absolutes; I point out that the council would be breaking the law and exposing themselves to “possible civil action” and you call it a lie.

    Dude, what you asked was what city ordinance they would be breaking. Let me break something to you gently, sport – there are and federal laws, both criminal and civil – in addition to city ordinances – as I am not an attorney, I don’t post in absolutes regarding the law – doesn’t make me a liar, and it doesn’t make you right.

    Go ahead, start a recall, but as Joel(?) points out, there are more than likely plenty of people happy that Wallyworld is here. I’m not one of them, except for the entertainment value of seeing you piss and moan about the city council and manager.

    Let me break something else to you, old bean – even if it was confirmed around the same time what everyone already knew – that Wallyworld was coming to the Bayshore Mall – there would be absolutely nothing could be done about it – it’s already an appropriately zoned retail space – and let me tell you – if the city tried to step in and stop them – they would most certainly be sued – just like when Verizon would have sued and won with the cell tower issue.

    The city would be sued for violating their own zoning ordinances. That’s as absolute as I can be.

  115. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Oospie!

    Dude, what you asked was what city ordinance they would be breaking. Let me break something to you gently, sport – there are and federal AND STATE laws, both criminal and civil – in addition to city ordinances – as I am not an attorney, I don’t post in absolutes regarding the law – doesn’t make me a liar, and it doesn’t make you right.

  116. Eric Kirk
    December 15, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Walmart will come to Eureka and will be a success because they did their homework and know there is a fairly sizeable population that will patronize them here (not the Tysons, or Arkleys or their ilk, of course).
    So, since they are coming whether people like it or not, let’s hope their presence at least reinvigorates the mall, ctreates jobs at whatever salaries and creates some positive change.

    It’s actually more likely to result in a net loss of jobs.

  117. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Dont hate the player, hate the game, fools.

  118. Anonymous
    December 15, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    This must have been what the Mayans predicted. A Wal-Mart in Eureka will surely lead to the end of the world by the end of 2012. REPENT NOW!

  119. December 15, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    5:16 Right On Organize

    Ellis Arseneau says:
    December 15, 2011 at 5:16 pm
    All is not lost! There is a way to get rid of Wallmart. UNIONIZE IT! It’s true — every Wallmart store that has unionized has closed shortly thereafter.

    I’ll second this

  120. December 15, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Wal Mart pays $13 an hour? Watch out for the workers from the Hammer (Piersons) leaving in mass. I agree that they should be unionized and see what will happen. They should agree to a simple card check for organizing and then we can decide whether to shop there or not. (I am not a fan of Wal Mart, but then I can be seen as a hypocrite shopping at unionized box stores Safeway, CO-OP, Rite Aid and Employee owned Costco and Winco.) I do shop many locally owned small businesses also.

  121. December 16, 2011 at 4:44 am

    the COOP is not nor never was organized.
    In fact I believe Safeway workers AFL CIO,
    had to take a lower tier scale due to lack of
    union in local competitors.(Humboldt)

  122. December 16, 2011 at 6:42 am

    Safeway workers AFL CIO,
    had to take a lower tier scale due to lack of
    union in local competitors.(Humboldt)

    This news’ was NOT news in any local newspaper,
    but was meaningful to the future of ALL Labor,
    in this area.
    Bruce Anderson of the AVA is the ONLY newspaperman
    that gives union a fair shake. The rest of ‘our’ media
    are too dependent on ads from the anti-union gang,
    think COOP-WILDBERRIES.
    Full page ads while prices skyrocket and labor/consumer
    get the royal screw.

  123. December 16, 2011 at 8:27 am

    SamoaSB, I’ve never heard of an independent home center
    organized. Unionization is generally reserved for institutional workers of one kind or another nurses, grocery, truck drivers….

    In a healthy work environment the independents are outdoing
    their union counterparts- remember union wages are merely a minimum platform- the concept of an ‘American wage’ disappeared with the unions. How is that explained to the local children. It’s
    not, and that is why they are looking at a future of deprivation.

    Lessons from the 3rd world.

  124. dwayne montane
    December 16, 2011 at 9:10 am

    I am not a fan of Wal Mart. but i’m wondering what real impact they will have on local small businesses? Seems like Wal Marts main competition would be Target, K-Mart and Cost Co. There are not many stores in the area that sell cheap clothes and electronics. I suppose it .will impact any remaining local pharmacies.

  125. December 16, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Dwayne, you are not keeping abreast of your studies.
    Those questions you ask have already been answered.

    “and that is why they are looking at a future of deprivation.”

  126. Jethro Bodeen
    December 16, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Whoo hoo!! I’m gonna head down to the mall when my lease is up and pitch a tent! I’m gonna be the first customer baby!!!!! They’d better have an associate on standby in the fishin’ department ’cause I’m gonna take it by storm! In the meantime I’ll greet the workers every morning with coffee and be a cheerleader for’em all day. Oooo, ungawa, Walmart’s got the powa!!

  127. Jethro Bodeen
    December 16, 2011 at 9:56 am

    And golly, with this announcement and them spotted owls I shot on Monday- what a week!

  128. jr
    December 16, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Everything is fine. Keep shopping.

  129. Anonymous
    December 16, 2011 at 10:46 am

    “Safeway workers AFL CIO,
    had to take a lower tier scale due to lack of
    union in local competitors.(Humboldt)”

    Safeway workers didn’t do anything. Safeway upper management cut their lower employees pay for them, and i thad nothing to do with unions but greed.

  130. Local Piersons Customer
    December 16, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Richard Marks, you believe Pierson employees are going to be “leaving in mass” for Walmart? Are these the same employees who’ve been employed at Pierson’s for 10-30 years?

    What’s your beef with the Hammer?

  131. jr
    December 16, 2011 at 10:53 am

    How could Safeway cut the pay for the “lower” employees since all of the rank and file workers are union members? Makes me not want to shop at Safeway any more. Any recommendations for grocery stores that treat their workers fairly?

  132. Fred
    December 16, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Great news, more jobs and one less empty building!

  133. December 16, 2011 at 11:25 am

    jr, Safeway did not ‘cut’ lower employees, they sub-tiered all of employees based on entry date. It is a race to the bottom. My bet is they still outdo the local PhilberryCoops. Anyone know the
    local clerks scale Safeway/Wildberries/Coop?
    union non-union
    I kinda like Murphys, especially the new one in Westwood, good meat and produce departments. They too need AFL CIO representation- why?
    Because they can, the Teamsters signed with the Retail Clerks in California and if you want to organize, no teamster will cross your line and no store can stay open without Teamster Drivers.
    It is not all one-sided, the worker needs to be producing at his
    scale, and that is defined.

  134. Anonymous
    December 16, 2011 at 11:54 am

    “Are level playing fields the new conservatism?”

    Depends on how you define conservative. I don’t see how supporting small locally owned producers falls outside of the “progressive agenda.”

  135. December 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Study after study after study, example after example after example. Yet we never learn. How could we possibly believe WalMart is anything but wonderful when they’ve told us they are so many times?

    Too bad Eureka. I guess we need another bad example of the ‘wonders of WalMart”.

  136. nathan
    December 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    The first thing I notice here, is what a puff piece it is. I expect Walmart to behave exactly the way they do. What is going on with the reporters at the Herald though? Pull out your pom poms and slip on that miniskirt, cheer them into town.

  137. nathan
    December 16, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Ohh, and hooray for them for using LED lit signs, whooop dee doo. It’s what everyone is using for new construction. These companies are greenwashing because it suits their bottom line.

  138. Mitch
    December 16, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Nathan,

    Gimme a P! P! Gimme an R, R!

    What’s that spell? PR!

    What’s that spell? PR!

    Press releases are not reporting. I’m sure Heraldo is appropriately chagrined that s/he/y neglected to spoon feed you his/her/their dislike of Walmart. It’s rough being an accidental fascist.

  139. jr
    December 16, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I forgot his name, but a former Director of the Sierra Club was hired by Wal-Mart to develop “green” strategies for their stores.

  140. December 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    That makes all the sweatshop labor and sexist policies A-OK.

  141. Anonymous
    December 16, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Those LED Christmas lights suck though, nathan, you have to admit. Cold and blue, they need to have yellowed cases or something.

  142. anon
    December 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Eureka+Walmart = Marriage made in heaven.

  143. Apologist Not
    December 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Samoasoftball says:
    December 15, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    “Wal Mart pays $13 an hour? Watch out for the workers from the Hammer (Piersons) leaving in mass”.

    This is hilarious.

    With the right-wing development community behind him, Richard Mark’s thinks he can afford more enemies.

    What an idiot.

  144. Anonymous
    December 16, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    http://humboldtsentinel.com/2011/12/14/walmart-admits-to-its-bayshore-mall-plans/

    Sentinel hit the solution. 10 bucks per hour minimum for everybody in Eureka. Better yet 12. Voters can pass it without the council members. Walmart will run far far away.

    Course this was proposed before. Three guesses who killed it last time.

  145. December 17, 2011 at 1:30 am

    This is Walmart’s smallest store they build. It’s not a Super Center. It is less then half the size of a Super Center. They won’t have a Nursery. They will sell plants outside like Longs did but not enough to compete with the Nursery at Kmart or Pierson’s. This is a scaled down Walmart. just like Kmart here is a scaled down Kmart but this Walmart will be smaller then Kmart even. People are panicking for nothing. Until they have the room at the mall to expand years down the road into a Super Center or Ray’s finally closes down and they can move into that building it’s not going to have that big of a effect on Eureka like the Walmart Super Centers that go into other areas and kill off the competition. This Walmart will be much smaller then Target. They won’t have the expanded Sporting goods dept that sells guns. They won’t have the Auto Center. That won’t have the furniture center. No Grocery Store. It will be 32,000 square foot smaller then the current Crescent City Store. It’s only going to be a little larger then the CVS store at the Eureka Mall.

    The 200 people quoted as working there are the ones they need to set up the store and for the Grand Opening. About 80 of those employees will lose their jobs soon after they open. It’s what Walmart does every time they open a store.

    As for the big block of space on the other side of the mall being cleared I’ve heard that Big Lot’s is going into a space in the mall and that Best Buy is looking at the Borders location or vica versa. Both stores operate in shopping centers across the country where Walmart Super Centers are built and are not affected by Walmart and so does Petco and or Pet-smart. Best Buy had already planned on going into the Marina Center and the plans were to be opened by 2012. Even if Marina Center is built which I highly doubt at this point it would be 5 or 10 years in the future. I’m sure the stores that had planned on being in that development are looking for alternate sites in Eureka.

  146. December 17, 2011 at 8:12 am

    I won’t be shopping at Wal-Mart. Never have. If enough people go (which they will), it will do well. If it puts other businesses under … why? Because they can’t compete with prices? Then compete with customer service. Local small businesses are different than big box businesses only in size. They both want the same thing: your money. Bigger businesses hire more people (good), often provide lower prices (good), and have a bigger impact on the economy (mixed bag). They don’t offer better products or better customer service, however. Smaller businesses do that. They can’t offer the prices, though, and that is what is driving this economy right now. Wal-Mart coming to Eureka at some point was a given. Its future is not.

  147. December 17, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Goodbye Redwood Electronics…the last personal electronics store. Not one big-box store can, or will; compete with the prices RE has. I’ve compared prices with Best Buy and Radio Shack both here and Redding, and RE has the lowest prices on every item that I’ve needed, cables, rechargers, antennae wire, couplers. It’s a lie that big stores have lower prices, it’s almost never true when you compare price and quality.
    Yeah, Best Buy can sell you cables made in china that break when bent, as RE, who sells you cables made in Europe that last a life time: for the same price. Yahoo, Great savings…!
    (I totally expect to be sued for typing Best Buy, and Yahoo. Sorry I can’t find the “Registered Trademark” symbol on my ‘Rhymes with ‘well’ Computer….)

  148. Anonymous
    December 17, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Rich, nobody’s panicking, but stating the obvious based on decades of reality in the wake of Walmarts across ameria.

    The principles involved in suddenly bringing an international big box business to Humboldt…one that has been and is beeing met with aggressive opposition not just here but everywhere, are shady to say the least, based on all our developer/politico talk of “community”.

  149. Apologist Not
    December 17, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    You’d have to water-board Richard Morris, (or the Times-Standard), before either would admit to their chronic self-censorship in conceding to unanimous national and local economic research proving Walmart’s overwhelming negative impacts on rural economies.

    If there were any credible independent economic reports that refuted this, ideologue-apologists like Mr. Morris would be cramming it down your throat.

  150. December 17, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    I would like to see Pierson’s (The big Hammer) unionized. I have heard from workers who do not make the $13 an hour threshold and do not have great benefits. Do I want them to work at Wal-Mart? No. I just want to see them represented.

  151. Apologist Not
    December 17, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Yeah Richard, as if most of the independent shops in Eureka are unionized and, well, Pierson’s needs to get with the program!

    If you showed one-ounce of effort to unionize Walmart you’d soon need a political contributor retrofit.

    Try and unionize Pierson’s and Arkley will have a ballad sung in your honor at the Sweazy Theater.

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