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Lovelace to face Tea Partier in 2012

Humboldt County Supervisor Mark Lovelace will face Republican Karen Brooks in his race for re-election next year, reports the Lost Coast Outpost.

Brooks ran (and lost) against Wesley Chesbro in the 2010 election for the California Assembly.

Looking back through press releases and emails received during that campaign it’s clear Brooks would like to see Humboldt County bent over a barrel when it comes to control over our water. She seems to believe water from the Klamath and Trinity rivers should be sent to the Central Valley without delay.

“California needs a water policy that does not focus on conservation only,” she said on her campaign website. “Conservation only prolongs the inevitable.”

Translation? Humboldt is going to lose any fight over its richest resource, so let’s give up as quickly as possible.

Sounds like a leader. Not.

  1. Just Middle Class
    December 28, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Let the attacks begin!

  2. WhatNow
    December 28, 2011 at 9:27 am

    I was hoping that an intelligent and credible candidate would step forward to challenge Lovelace but Brooks doesn’t qualify on either of those accounts.
    Hopefully the’s a more worthy and credible individual in that district that will step forward to send Lovelace packing.

  3. Walt
    December 28, 2011 at 9:37 am

    “Conservation only prolongs the inevitable.” . . .
    “The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve it.”
    “Together we shall rise to ever higher and higher platitudes.” –Richard J. Daley

    Can Brooks be channeling Mayor Daley?

  4. Dan
    December 28, 2011 at 9:38 am

    One might believe that Lovelace has water-resources
    up front and protected.
    Thanks to non-existent news-service, combined with antiquated science, Lovelace can portray himself as caring for our water resources.
    While believing that our most important of all water-resources,
    coastal wetlands, are being protected, they are actually being drained as a by-product of stripping vegetation.
    It wasn’t Karen Brooks who drained Manila’s wetlands.

  5. December 28, 2011 at 9:42 am

    what fun!
    “quit ______ it only prolongs the inevitable.”

  6. Plain Jane
    December 28, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Isn’t this the same Brooks who ran unsuccessfully for the state Assembly? These people who try so hard to get on a government payroll while claiming the government is the problem crack me up!

  7. Dan
    December 28, 2011 at 9:51 am

    WhatNow says:
    December 28, 2011 at 9:27 am
    I was hoping that an intelligent and credible candidate would step forward to challenge Lovelace but Brooks doesn’t qualify on either of those accounts.
    Hopefully the’s a more worthy and credible individual in that district that will step forward to send Lovelace packing.

    I’ll second that. Any suggestions?

  8. jr
    December 28, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I find it strange that she has the opinions she does since she used to be the Marketing Director for North Coast Cooperative and would assume that she has progressive ideas and supports the progressive agenda that the Co-Op represents. I wonder where she stands now on such matters.

  9. December 28, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Click on the photo and behold that red, white and blue teapot pin.

  10. Dan
    December 28, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Sheesh.
    “….progressive agenda that the Co-Op represents.”

    The Coop can not be considered ‘progressive’ until
    they legitimately organize their labor. The Coops agenda
    literally defeated the grocers union in the Humboldt area.

  11. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 10:54 am

    She seems like a good choice to me. I would love to see Loveless out on his bottom!

    I can see that you’all here are going to focus (go nuts) over the conservative “teaparty” connection.

    And Dan, screw the grocers Union! And just about any other union!

  12. High Finance
    December 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    The partisans & loonies here will smear her endlessly.

    But Karen Brooks is a very impressive, smart & qualified person.

  13. Eric Kirk
    December 28, 2011 at 11:10 am

    It’s a moot point. It won’t even be close.

  14. retired guy
    December 28, 2011 at 11:18 am

    HiFi’s a Brooks supporter–what a surprise! Anyone who wants to speed up sending our water resources out of the area will not get this voters’ vote. What a bad, bad idea. Tea Party pretty much says it all. These folks are losers in just about every category imaginable.

  15. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Oh Nice, you slam Loveleace with RA’s cash, call it a conservative victory, get ol Rexy in there and then shoot for a Nuke Train. Wouldn’t that be the be all to end all to spank Larry Glass, use the Balloon track as the Radioactive waste loading dock. Oh my god imagine the land use issues that board would face. I’ll bet there will be a swift and thorough GPU to benefit, oh lets see, Port Developer, Land Barons, Fuel Sales, stevedores (non union of course, relax sid maybe they’ll give you 5% to hump the other leg stormys not drooling on) oh boy and some new jobs at Wall Mart. Wake the F Up Humboldt are we all blind or just stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Dave
    December 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Please don’t pick on Brook’s Tea Party pin…
    she’s probably proud of it.

    It’s kinda like a badge of courage, but more like a badge declaring her stupidity! Stupid and proud of it…

  17. December 28, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Karen Brooks is intelligent and she is passionate. But her positions are so extreme to the right she doesn’t have a chance to win an election where most of the voters are center to left.

    The best way to campaign against her is to just let her talk and opine on her positions. It doesn’t take long for people to start passing glances among themselves. Most voters quickly dismiss her.

    Too bad she has taken down her Assembly campaign website. In 2010 she posted a position on water resources, in which she demanded water from the Klamath and Trinity be diverted to Southern San Joaquin agribusiness, for whom she grieved because they had unjustly been denied water.

    If “Just Middle Class” feels it is an attack to point out her rather unique position on North Coast water, then I wonder what he believes is a legitimate campaign issue.

    Plain Jane may have hit on something. Is Karen desiring of a government paycheck? She doesn’t appear to be interested in School Board, Harbor Commission or one of the lesser offices where compensation is minimal or nil. She only seems to be interested in elected positions that come with a full-time paycheck. She was employed by the Co-op until a few years ago. During her 2010 campaign for Assembly she described herself as a self-employed marketing adviser. It does make one wonder.

  18. tra
    December 28, 2011 at 11:35 am

    “Conservation only prolongs the inevitable.”

    And we’re all going to die someday, so I suppose you could say that breathing “only prolongs the inevitable.”

  19. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Oh yes dont forget they got Marian the dumbcow elected. A ridiculous fool landslid over the candidate that had done more for the people than Eureka had seen in years. (Must admit he didnt help himself much though). Voters are easily swayed, think about it, The Brady Bunch, who wasnt eating twinkies on their childhood living room floor watching it after school, and now Rex with his Giants theme, who doesnt love the Giants, here is the deal, they are appealing to an emotional warmth, something familiar, it is subliminal, it just makes you feel good somewhere inside and DUHHHH mark that box. Somehow stupidly the Democratic Central Committee even appointed Melinda Chariballini as an Associate member. OH PULEEEEEZE!!! Are we all blind, stupid or just unable to stop it. ppppppffffffffttttttttttttt!

  20. jr
    December 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

    While Dan may have a legitimate issue (and I cannot speak on the Co-Op’s union situation), it still boggles my mind that someone who worked for the Co-Op, and would presume to hold the values of a consumer cooperative, how such a person can now support agendas that are basically the antithesis of the co-op’s.

  21. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “These people who try so hard to get on a government payroll while claiming the government is the problem”

    The majority of the teaparty supporters get, or got, some sort of government assistance through the GI Bill, Social Security, Medicare, public education/university, defense industry jobs, interstate construction, etc. Much of their subsidies occurred during the 60s when tax rates were much higher. However, they NOW want govt. to be cut back, after they got theirs. True patriots…

  22. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Brooks = McGowans Wife (Mortgage Broker) tool of the land barons. Both knew Ciaraballini was moving back to seek (after being tapped for it) appointment while people were all still screeching about Rex. There is most definitely a conservative cabinet at work here.

  23. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Running for office is itself, of course, a time-honored form of wingnut welfare for the money-friendly extreme right. See also “grifter,” “Herbert Cain,” “Newt Gingrich,” and “Ron Paul.”

  24. Fact Checker
    December 28, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    High Spin Doctor said: “But Karen Brooks is a very impressive, smart & qualified person.”

    “California needs a water policy that does not focus on conservation only,” she said on her campaign website. “Conservation only prolongs the inevitable.” -Karen Brooks

    Sure Hi Ball … real smart. Screw “conservation”. Let’s plunder the shit out of America the Beautiful as fast and as hard as possible. Because “Conservation only prolongs the inevitable.” High Ball, the Republican party called. You and the Tea Baggers are killing their chance at re-election. ha ha ha ROTFLMAO !!

  25. WhatNow
    December 28, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Dear Heraldo,
    Any chance you would allow Hi Finance to submit a feature article giving us his views on intelligent life?
    It would be fascinating to hear his outsider’s views on that subject.

  26. Mitch
    December 28, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Here’s what claims to be a quote from Karen Brooks 2010 web site, about the Marine Life Protection Act, among other things:

    http://207.210.126.155/showthread.php?t=114568

    QUOTE from Karen Brooks.
    My Ideas:

    Repeal MLPA – The MLPA has done nothing but diminish California’s sustainable fishing industry and once enacted it will have devastating affects on the fishing families struggling to survive in the first district. These regulations are intended to be the savior of our marine life from overfishing at a minimal cost to the state and promises to revive our fishing economy. California is one of the least exploited marine areas in the world which already has seasons, extreme weather, marine perserves, limits and fish management plans, why is this even necessary? New Zealand has seen the light after implementing MLPA in their country and they are now opting out. When unscientific regulations shut down the ability of our fishing communities to responsibly use a resource we lose well paying jobs and the state loses the tax revenue while it costs the state millions of dollars to enforce. No wonder the state is broke! Sound scientific evidence must be present before common sense solutions to a “so called problem are enacted by government. I will work to bring groups together in an attempt to repeal or suspend this economically harmful and unnecessary law.
    Sustainable Forests – Bring back our logging industry. California is attempting to remove almost every industry from the state and completing the goal of some who seek a welfare state and no economic growth. Logging used to be a primary economic driver of this regional economy, but no longer. Logging companies are eager to reopen their mills, but are fearful of environmentalists seeking to shut them down with expensive lawsuits or government regulation. We need to partner with this industry to ensure they remain good stewards of the environment and return them to their status of being an economic driver of this region. I want to create a working group that will bring all the stakeholders together in order to reopen these mills, while protecting our sacred redwoods from excess logging. We can bring an industry, and jobs, back to this region but me must act now.
    Water – The first district is a water reservoir for the state and we must protect fish as well as provide water for agriculture, business and residents. The Klamath River basin and Trinity Lake are two major sources of fresh water, which has become a political football. Many of the water debates have nothing to do with our waterways, but more with lawsuits and environmental activism that have halted agreements to provide water to the Central Valley farmers. California needs a water policy that does not focus on conservation only. Conservation only prolongs the inevitable. A sustainable water policy includes, surface water storage, conservation and new water delivery systems for the state. It is time the state seriously looks at desalinization plants as a viable strategy to relieve our water woes.

  27. December 28, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Sounds like a plug for the peripheral canal to me. I do agree with most of what she says about the MLPA but that is not the responsibility of the Supervisors.

    Mark Lovelace has been a steady and diligent supervisor. I have seen NO evidence of any ‘radical left-wing agenda’. He has done his job with dedication. He has listened to all and done his best to make intelligent decisions. Why would we want to replace him with an ideologue Tea Party type who couod care less about anyone else’s ideas? If the idea is to govern thoughtfully, keeping the system working, and doing the best that government can, then Mark is clearly preferable to any Tea-bagger around.

  28. Bolithio
    December 28, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Click on the photo and behold that red, white and blue teapot pin.

    LOL aswome.

    Here statement about logging is flawed. She assumes that mills shut down only because of regulation. That is utterly untrue. She also assumes that there are companies who are chopin on the bit to re-open mills. Thats false too; all the [closed] mills have been dismantled. No new major mills are going to be opened. Its not environmentalists we fear, its global markets. A work group would be great, but people may not like what they hear.

  29. tra
    December 28, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I think a lot of you are missing the genius of her platform. After all, if we follow B plan to drastically increase the pace of logging and divert more water to the Central Valley agribusiness, soon there will be no need for the MLPA, since there won’t be enough fish, or fishermen, left to worry about.

  30. tra
    December 28, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    B = Brooks’

  31. Decline To State
    December 28, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Brooks running for Lovelace’s seat on the Board? You kid, yes?

  32. December 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Karen Brooks did have some interesting criticisms of the Patriot Act and the various Fed intrusions on civil liberties that have continued from Bush to Obama (or have even gotten worse) when she spoke at the Fortuna 9/11 commemoration this year (fast forward to 27:35)…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-hbC3kyif8

  33. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    She doesn’t have a shot against ML. He knows what to say to get all the left wing votes, and she just needs to say all she feels to lose the middle of the roaders. She is pretty far right and has a long rep around here for it. Extremist.

  34. High Finance
    December 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Here I was talking about class & intelligence and then WhatNow spoke up and ruined the mood.

  35. anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    So, Bolithio, you said “Its not environmentalists we fear, its global markets. A work group would be great, but people may not like what they hear.”

    Can you get that message to the train heads? Karen has become one of them. Figures. Look at the proponents of the most ridiculous plans for fixing our economy and you will see “conservatives”.

  36. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    She is unmovable on pro-life, no choice for women under any circumstance. If that is not completely true, I would like to hear it.

  37. Ha Ha Hi
    December 28, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Hey Fi – What Now’s post is the best yet on this topic.

    BTW, Hi, I sense a stylistic change in your posts. I posit that you are not the original HiFi. You are the new mouthpiece.

    Must say, you write a little better that the old HF. You don’t leave that annoying space between the end of your sentences and the period.

  38. Thorstein Veblen
    December 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I hadn’t realized that I live in a water reservoir for the state. Seems a rather unique way to view our region, much less represent it.

  39. WhatNow
    December 28, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “Ha Ha Hi says:
    December 28, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    Hey Fi – What Now’s post is the best yet on this topic.

    BTW, Hi, I sense a stylistic change in your posts. I posit that you are not the original HiFi. You are the new mouthpiece.

    Must say, you write a little better that the old HF. You don’t leave that annoying space between the end of your sentences and the period.”

    Just check back in after cocktail hour starts, Ha Ha.
    It’s the same old Highly Fried.

  40. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I don’t know anything about Ms Brooks, but with so much trash talk from the lamo’s she’s got my support!

    She has something going for her if there is so much resentment from the losers and loons!

  41. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    “I don’t know anything about Ms Brooks, but with so much trash talk from the lamo’s she’s got my support!”

    Well that sums up your level of intelligence.

  42. December 28, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Brooks hasn’t been around here lately, judging from that post at 1:29, like for the last twenty years. Just when you think they can’t get any more ignorant and uninformed, they find a way to surprise you.

  43. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Bolithio says: “Its not environmentalists we fear, its global markets.”

    Bolithio is a PR representative for the “timber industry”. He cheerleads at every opportunit, and pretends to speak for the general public. “We”? Corrected: “You and the people you work for”.

    “Environentalists” as you put it, aren’t secular. Environmentalists are a lot of everybody. You and the companies you work for only need fear environmental protection and restoration for obvious reasons.

  44. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Sad to see no real competition for Lovelace. There are many questions he needs to answer before being rubber stamped back into office by the Arcata Prog Machine. Running against Brooks insures him a win by default.

  45. Anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    HiFi is Steve Strombeck. As was evidenced in a previous thread, that is a settled fact.

    Karen Brooks is a straight-out wack job. She has about as much chance of getting elected in the Third District (Arcata et al) as Mark Lovelace has getting elected in rural Idaho or Mississippi.

  46. jr
    December 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    What do you mean a “straight-out wack job”? If so, she would not have been the Marketing Director for the North Coast Co-Op, one of the more enlightened Humboldt county businesses.

  47. anonymous
    December 28, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Agreed, 8:19.

    Lovelace is a Life-long Prog-pol
    at the public tit,
    like Chesbro.

    Go with the power flow. Big hair.

    Will he, like the -bro,
    “Prog”ress through term limits

    and around again,
    spouting pseudo eco wisdom?

  48. December 28, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    When she campaigned for Assembly Brooks tried to position herself as a friend to fishermen by holding press conferences denouncing the Marine Life Protection Act. But when her position on Central Valley farms vs. North Coast fish became known, the fishermen tuned her out.

  49. Percy
    December 29, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Most ocean fishermen I know, commercial and sport are a pretty conservative lot. They don’t want any danged regulations period. And they’ll fight to the death for the right to kill the last “insert species.” If you talk to them, they’ll tell you that MLPs will shut down all fishing and wreck the economy. She was smart to tap into that sentiment, just like Gail Norton and Cheney used the water battles on the Klamath to ingratiate the right wingers to the ranch people in the upper Klamath Basin. That was the same year of the gigantic fish kill on the Klamath when the agency that releases the water was overruled and Norton did her grandstanding. Don’t really get the connection between her and the central valley growers unless they are funneling her campaign money.

  50. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 1:57 am

    HiFi, Strombeck? don’t think so. He’s not that bright

  51. anoni-poli
    December 29, 2011 at 8:07 am

    “it still boggles my mind that someone who worked for the Co-Op, and would presume to hold the values of a consumer cooperative, how such a person can now support agendas that are basically the antithesis of the co-op’s.”

    Don’t assume that the Co-op requires its employees to adhere to any social or political philosophies. There is no checkbox on the application for liberal.

    Karen did a good job for the Co-op without buying in to the Co-op culture. She is indeed intelligent and very likable.

    That being said, she is an extreme right winger, a hard core t-bagger and is absolutely wrong for the 3rd. She belongs in Orange County. I don’t think she will get elected using the “Brady Bunch” strategy in the most liberal of districts. But let’s hope that Mark goes for another term.

  52. Buzz
    December 29, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but Anonymous 9:13’s speech impediment manifests itself in his ridiculous blog comment.

    Brooks is ignorant and extreme, and even right-wingers can appreciate Lovelace’s excellent service on the board of supervisors. You’d have to be completely bonkers to want her to take his place.

  53. Plain Jane
    December 29, 2011 at 9:29 am

    1:57, it’s true. He comes across as more intelligent in person than in print, but he’s just another of the boys born on third base who try to make people think they won the game all on their own.

  54. December 29, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Percy, you insult fishermen everywhere. In California fishermen have lead the way in serious conservation efforts. Commercial salmon fishermen even instituded a “salmon Stamp” on their licenses, a fee to help restoration efforts directly. We support sensible regulations and understand the need for them. No fisherman I ever met would want to “catch the last of the species”. No future in that.
    Sadly, the MLPA does nothing to regulate fisheries. It actually prevents the Dept of F&G from using regulations to improve conditions. It is funded by private foundation monies with their own agendas attached. It does absolutely nothing that good regulations couldn’t do. It simply applies another layer of expensive hard to enforce restrictions on both fishermen and Fish & Game.
    No, I don’t agree with Brooks on almost anything else but I must agree that the MLPA is and has been a huge waste of everyone’s time and energy.
    But Percy, the image of the fisherman as a pirate, plundering our resources, is 18th century. It may apply to some in some parts of the world but NOT here.

  55. anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Buzz, you must have a reading comprehension impediment. Let’s go over it again, maybe you’ll get it this time.

    8:19 said: “Sad to see no real competition for Lovelace. There are many questions he needs to answer before being rubber stamped back into office by the Arcata Prog Machine. Running against Brooks insures him a win by default.”

    Does this mean 8:19, or I, want to see Brooks replace Lovelace?
    No, Buzz. Read and think.

    The point is, Lovelace will slide back into office without having to run a real campaign or defend his positions. He won’t have to face tough questions that would expose his “go with the power” mentality.

    Chesbro has cycled through and termed out of all the political offices and is now back in the Assembly. He’s been at the public tit too long. Is Lovelace the next Chesbro?

    BTW, Lovelace and Chesbro both supported the MLPA, which demonstrates their shallow understanding of the issue and their willingness to sell out to the big money interests. Corporate environmentalists, both.

  56. The man behind the moniker?
    December 29, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Steve Strombeck (High Finance?)
    Director
    Redwood Capital Bancorp
    Eureka , CA
    Sector: FINANCIAL / Regional – Pacific Banks

    51 Years Old
    Mr. Strombeck attended Humboldt State University for two years then transferred to Sacramento State University, graduating in 1982 with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Business Management. He obtained his Contractors License in 1982 and has worked since that time as a developer/contractor. Mr. Strombeck is a licensed contractor and is the President of Strombeck Construction and owner of Strombeck Properties. Mr. Strombeck currently serves on the Salvation Army Board of Directors and was appointed by the mayor to sit on the Board of Appeals for the City of Eureka where he has served for the past 10 years. Mr. Strombeck is active in his church and is currently the Chairman of the Board for Redwood Teen Challenge located in Eureka. Mr. Strombeck and his wife Tina reside in Eureka and have four children.

    http://people.forbes.com/profile/steve-strombeck/132828

  57. December 29, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Westlands Water District bought private land on the upper McCloud River, above Lake Shasta, to reduce objections to a plan to raise the dam, and the lake level, so more north state water goes south. There seems to be an integrated, coordinated, patient effort to go all Peripheral sooner or later, no matter what the voters said. Kinda like WalMart in Eureka, yes?

  58. Pitchfork
    December 29, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Mr. Strombeck is not HiFi, HiFi is a CPA

  59. Elephant Talk
    December 29, 2011 at 11:03 am

    High Finance says:
    December 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “Here I was talking about class & intelligence…”

    Talk

    it’s only talk

    Arguments

    agreements

    advice

    answers

    Articulate announcements

    It’s only talk

    Talk

    it’s only talk

    Babble

    burble

    banter

    bicker bicker bicker

    Brouhaha

    boulderdash

    ballyhoo

    It’s only talk

    Back talk

    Talk talk talk

    it’s only talk

    Comments

    cliches

    commentary

    controversy

    Chatter

    chit-chat

    chit-chat

    chit-chat

    Conversation

    contradiction

    criticism

    It’s only talk

    Cheap talk

    Talk

    talk

    it’s only talk

    Debates

    discussions

    These are words with a D this time

    Dialogue

    dualogue

    diatribe

    Dissention

    declamation

    Double talk

    double talk

    Talk

    talk

    it’s all talk

    Too much talk

    Small talk

    Talk that trash

    Expressions

    editorials

    expugnations

    exclamations

    enfadulations

    It’s all talk

    Elephant talk

    elephant talk

    elephant talk

    -King Crimson “Elephant Talk”

  60. anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Mr. Strombeck is not HiFi, HiFi is a CPA

    Why do you think so, Pitchfork? What is HiFi’s name?

  61. Plain Jane
    December 29, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    HiFi essentially admitted it.

    I would rather put 1,200,000 people to work in ways that don’t endanger the drinking water and lives in vast areas of the country: More health care workers, elder care workers, environmental cleanup, community maintenance, outreach workers, playground monitors, firemen, teachers, cops, etc. The multiplier effect of jobs that enhance a society is a better choice than the multiplier effect of jobs that poison it.

  62. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Well put 10:06

    Loavelace needs an opponent that will challenge his decisions and actions from a center left point of view too. This is the one chance we get to hold our officials accountable and make them explain why they did this or that.

    Karen Brooks’ views scare me but Loavelace a politician that makes you want to take a shower and check for knives sticking out of your back.

    I guess that was redundant.

  63. Matt
    December 29, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Did she quit or get fired from the Coop?

  64. Just Middle Class
    December 29, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Do not underestimate Karen Brooks, to do so would be a mistake, but just go ahead!

  65. Percy
    December 29, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    I’m not “insulting fishermen everywhere” when I specifically refer to commercial and sport ocean fishermen as being conservative and anti regulation. I’m just stating a fact. If you want to feel insulted, be my guest. I happen to be an ocean fisherman too. We have gotten way too good and efficient at what we do. With the advent of sonar and gps, it’s too damn easy to spot fish and stay on them. And with huge drag nets or long lines, you can make a big dent in fish stocks in a hurry. So then the only solution to overfishing is to regulate, and the MLPA’s are a small part of that. They’re not perfect, but the hysteria brought on by the local ocean fishing crowd is way overboard. How does setting aside a few no fishing zones to help propagate a brood stock of big mature adult fish prevent the DFG from using regulations to improve conditions? I’d much rather err in the direction of over protection and then ratchet it back if it proves unnecessary. And if you want an example of overfishing to the point of extinction you have only to look at the Grand Banks off of Newfoundland where the cod fishery has crashed completely and will not come back for many years if ever. They did fish till they caught the last one. Generations there have been screwed out of a good living by the foolishness and greed of a few.

    The point I was making is that ocean fishermen don’t like regulations and are for the most part conservative so that fits in great with the anti regulatory mindset of the right wing and a little pandering by Brooks to the ocean fishing crowd is in order. Advocating water exports which is directly linked to ocean salmon fishing is kind of shooting yourself in the foot though, and fishermen are not dumb when it comes to figuring out the incongruity there. My guess would be campaign contributions from the Westlands Water District. And being in marketing gives you a definite edge in lying with at straight face.

  66. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Plain Jane says:

    December 29, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “HiFi essentially admitted it”

    OMFG, PJ, you are hilarious? As you say, LMSAO…so HiFi is Steve Strombeck because Strombeck took a recent trip over there (according to someone on this blog), and HiFi posted here that he had not posted due to a recent trip over to the islands?

    That’s your proof? Snarkity dooby doo, that is pretty specious stuff.

    I’ve been over there three times in the past six years, and on two of those occasions have bumped into people I knew from Humboldt County.

    This is such a great blog, but really, Jane, for one so protective of her own id, (as I am of mine), you sure are all for outing others.

  67. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I went to the islands too.. It’s actually fairly common.

  68. Plain Jane
    December 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    No Anonymous. He admitted it when he defended the wealth his father amassed (and left to him) on the labor of working class loggers and garbage collectors.

  69. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    No, jane, you and others jumped to the conclusion hi fi said he inherited wealth “amassed on the labor of working class loggers and garbage collectors” – he never said that.

    Again, though, pretty funny that someone who guards her own id is so interested in outing others.

  70. Plain Jane
    December 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    I’m not interested in outing anyone and I didn’t out him. I don’t care who he is, but he has given so much personal information out over the years that his identity became obvious. He admitted who he is so your denials are hilarious.

  71. tra
    December 29, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I just recently heard (or read?) a news item recently, saying that cod fishing may be entirely shut down throughout the whole Gulf of Maine this season (and maybe for multiple seasons) due to a recent population survey which shows that the population of cod is dangerously low.

    However, the cod fishermen say they’re finding ample catches, and they don’t see how that could be the case if the population surveys were accurate. Those who doubt the recent population estimates point to the population estimates done the previous year, which found just the opposite.

    In the story, they referred to what is supposedly an old joke among fisheries scientists; it goes something along the lines of “fisheries science is a lot like forestry science…except that you’re blind and the trees keep moving around.”

    So these kinds of conservation / regulatory decisions are tough, partly because of the uncertainty inherent in trying to estimate populations and project those population figures out into the future, given the many variables involved.

    I don’t know enough about the specifics of the MLPA to comment on it, but in general, I think it’s probably best to err on the side of caution in the effort to avoid overfishing. Unfortunately, the old saying “there’s always more fish in the sea” just isn’t as true as it used to be.

  72. longwind
    December 29, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    tra, the essential problem with MLPA is the Fed’s problem too. It’s a problem we on the left don’t grasp because ‘our’ kind of people helped create the problem.

    MLPA is a private organization, privately funded. It’s unwilling to permit the most basic transparency, yet permitted to make governmental decisions in exchange for not costing the government money. The results are ever more controversial, in part because they can’t be changed or even legally challenged.

    Just like the Fed, which privatized the Constitutional power to coin money, or rather paper representations of money, and exists entirely independent of government control or oversight ever since the night before Christmas in 1913 when it was signed into law before midnight. Google ‘who owns the fed’ and you’ll learn that, um, it’s a secret. But it’s a good, safe secret, just trust us!

    Well, we’ve tried that. The problem with secret governments is that they don’t work for us. Americans understood this for the first century of our national existence, but we can’t seem to figure it out all over again. If you read American history you’ll learn a lot we should still know.

  73. anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Percy and longwind thank you. Interesting and true.

    PJ, hasn’t HiFi given the Horatio Alger-esque version of his biography?

    His family was dirt poor and little HiFi worked hard, saved, kept away from drugs, did it all on his own, blah blah

    What’s with the rich daddy story? I missed that one.

  74. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    So Heraldo, have you heard from you good buddy Garr? What is he up to these days? A new job? His own blog maybe?

  75. Sparticus
    December 29, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    I am Hi Finance!!!!

  76. Anonalicious
    December 29, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Plain Jane = Fox Studios. Period.

  77. tra
    December 30, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Here’s that piece about the fishermen in the Gulf of Maine facing a ban on cod fishing:

    http://www.npr.org/2011/12/28/144362441/new-england-fishermen-brace-for-cod-restrictions

  78. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 1:52 am

    So wrong on MLPA’s in the above 40/10 Cali waters.They are simply a play ground for eco-nuts. All the DF&G wardens joined with fishermen in oposition to them. In a region that has developed great stock management policies MPA’s are counter productive. In other areas, with out good management MPA’s have had some positive effect. By-the-by, New Zeland has started doing away with MPA’s for that very reason. I will vote for Brooks as I like all the court house staff think Lovelace is a shill.

  79. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 5:56 am

    “Anonalicious says:
    December 29, 2011 at 10:44 pm
    Plain Jane = Fox Studios. Period.”

    Anonalicious = Failure. Period.

  80. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 8:30 am

    General consensus is Mark is a nasty , unlikeable , self serving ass. His positive is that he works hard at all three.

  81. Political Watcher
    December 30, 2011 at 9:54 am

    And the courthouse staff are suddenly the political sages of the North Coast?

    The county staff are overloaded with good ol’ boys and girls who are bureaucratic holdovers from the corrupt old days, an era whose way of doing things Mark Lovelace has valiantly fought from the get-go. Fact is, Mark and Clif Clendenen are standard-bearers for an enlightened governance in Humboldt. Remember, nobody, especially the corrupt, gives up power willingly. They must be dragged away, kicking and screaming.

    Mark beat Bryan Plumley in the first ballot last go-round. You watch, he will dispatch Humboldt County’s Michelle Bachmann with even greater ease.

  82. anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 11:55 am

    “Mark beat Bryan Plumley in the first ballot last go-round. You watch, he will dispatch Humboldt County’s Michelle Bachmann with even greater ease.”

    Do doubt about it. And he will still be a pompous ass from San Jose.

  83. robash141
    December 30, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Karen Brooks is too fucking stupid to even defend tje words. Of her own op-ed in the Times Standard. Plus she’s really dismissive of anything that doesn’t fit into her teabagging narrative.Despite not having been elected to anything yet she already talks like an arrogant old pol who’s been in office for 30 years

  84. December 30, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    No fan of Mark L. here.
    I voted for him in the past,
    the only way I’d vote for him again is
    if Karen B. is the only other choice.
    It is somewhat akin to the choice between the two
    LP pulp-mill trained individuals, Bohn and Girard-
    backwards as can be.

  85. jr
    December 30, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    AirQuality: So why don’t you run for the Board seat?

  86. December 30, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Isn’t the problem with the fishing regulations the same as the problems with every other regulation? They are only imposed on the small business or small fishermen; while the global corps are able to skirt any hurt from the regulations and continue on as usual.
    I’ve read the the global-Corpse is even allowed to draft the proposed regulations so that they will only do harm to those outside the fortunate 500.

  87. Anonymous
    December 31, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Pretty close MD, the blittle guy always eats shit. Thank the damn progs, the UN ass kissers and culls like Cheesebro. Yes the repubs are also at fault. Two terms in office. One in the white house, one in the big house.

  88. Dan
    December 31, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    As a non-commercial fisherman I’d
    like to see the draggers and trawlers
    removed from all sites before my freedom
    to fish is impeded on.
    As far as MLPA goes, take a gander of this
    MLPA meeting and then consider just how
    transparent and compatible to CEQA is the MLPA’s
    process.

    Youtube-PSO confronts MLPA
    Partnership for Sustainable Oceans Confronts MLPA Corruption at Feb Commission Meeting
    George Osborn of the PSO presents proof of secret MLPA meetings to the Fish and Game Commission’s February session. The PSO filed suit in San Diego Superior Court in late January, seeking to overturn South Coast and North Central coast MLPA closures, alleging violations of the state Administrative Procedures Act and CEQA.

  89. jr
    December 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    http://www.noyonews.net has several articles on MLPA

  90. Lib poser
    December 31, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I must admit, I got on the Heraldo anonymous program for addiction and I was cured! I have been Heraldo free for months! What a relief, no more depression and looney lib psychosis! I have to admit this post is a lapse, but with a proper restraint (straight jacket and internet block) I am sure I can be free from torment.

  91. Apologist Not
    January 3, 2012 at 12:14 am

    And just how long did you think they could dragnet black cod, a fish that lives 80 years and doesn’t mature until 15?

  92. Matt
    January 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Good news – her goofy website is back up. I needed a good laugh today.

  93. Matt
    January 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Looks like her target audience is 11 year old girls. :)

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