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Pee in this cup, says WalMart

Future workers at the Eureka WalMart must submit a urine sample and agree to future piss tests in order to keep their job.

Not only will you get the displeasure of serving the worst of the 1% for poverty wages, after-hours tokes are off-limits.

[h/t @rockhousejones]

  1. Anonymous
    December 29, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    On the other hand, anyone who has had to deal with a high employee will enjoy the change Wal-Mart provides.

  2. 69er
    December 29, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    The so called “piss test” is one of the few attaboys for WalMart.

  3. December 29, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Guess they won’t be able to hire anyone in Eureka after all except maybe and just maybe the old guys they use for greeters. They will have to bring in all their employee’s. Even the few people up here that don’t smoke get a buzz from the second hand smoke that is just about everywhere. How do they expect to find workers in Pot Country, USA? Lithia drug tests their employees but they give them a week’s notice and tell’s them they need to study for their drug tests.

    Heck a high employee is a plus with the rude employee’s Walmart usually has! But I still can’t wait to shop there.

  4. Yo
    December 29, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Umm so does the Military. Anybody know about the rest of the box stores, or are we only scrutizing the ones we don’t like?

  5. Ponder z
    December 29, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    How ironic, the only people qualified (mentality wise) to work at wallmart, cant be hired because the are stoners (Losers).

  6. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 4:26 am

    Guess they won’t be able to hire anyone in Eureka after all except maybe and just maybe the old guys they use for greeters.

    That’s a bizarre perception. What’s your evidence that a significant percentage of Eurekans do an illegal drug?

  7. 713
    December 30, 2011 at 5:34 am

    Lots of places have piss tests. This is a good thing, too bad the social services departments don’t test their “customers”.

  8. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 6:11 am

    A urine test is a common requirement for employment in most retail chains as well as in many other fields like health care, public utilities like PG&E and AT&T and for most government jobs. A 215 card is not an exemption. Someone can get passed-out drunk the night before and pass the test (or work) but someone who uses pot to reduce their narcotic pain medication usage will fail, even if they go several weeks without using. I’d rather have someone waiting on me that got high on pot last night than someone who passed-out drunk, but opinions differ.

  9. walt
    December 30, 2011 at 6:13 am

    New rumor: Walmart plans to piss test all its customers. Imagine greeters with latex gloves and little cups. . .

  10. December 30, 2011 at 6:24 am

    I was surprised years ago to find out Eureka Fisheries required piss tests for all their employees, including janitors.

  11. Decline To State
    December 30, 2011 at 6:58 am

    So no body with glaucoma will be working at Walmart, eh? Aren’t there protections in the work place for those who use prescribed, medicinal marijuana? And if they are protected by law to smoke and still earn a living how is this at all fair to those who merely use it to stay sane in their reality?

    Oh yeah, and I don’t appreciate the comments by Rich Morris suggesting that the only non-high people they could hire in Humboldt are the “old guys they use for greeters.” Age bias is ugly and bigoted. I’m “old” (retired) and if looking to sign on with Walmart would still face the same self-incrimination process that you young whippersnappers face when taking their piss tests…and I’d probably fail as well.

  12. High Finance
    December 30, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Oh the outrage ! WalMart doesn’t want drug users as employees !

    Rich Morris is projecting his own troubles when he says “.. the few people up here who don’t smoke (pot)”.

  13. December 30, 2011 at 7:08 am

    The real question: Who gives a crap about what Wal-Mart does?

  14. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 7:27 am

    “And if they are protected by law”

    They aren’t.

  15. December 30, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Does this mean WM’s Px won’t be carrying Blueberry Kush?

    The $4 co-pay would bring in a lot of customers.

  16. December 30, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Most employers do drug testing, so why wouldn’t Walmart.

  17. Dan
    December 30, 2011 at 7:41 am

    It was once suggested to the big-wigs in Silicone
    Valley that they begin tests for marijuana.
    But here the management drew the line. If they
    eliminate their marijuana users they’d lose the very personnel
    that created their success.
    Grow-up America.

  18. December 30, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Does Walmart have an employee dress code? Not to go off- topic but it was something that came to mind the other day while at Les Schwab. I’d forgotten all about dress codes, not having had to deal with one in over 20 years.

    I was waiting for my battery to be installed when for the first time I noticed none of the employees had long hair or beards. I thought it funny that was the first time I noticed that, as many times as I’d been in there.

    I asked the office gal there about it and she confirmed that there was a dress code. She wasn’t specific about the hair requirements but went on to explain they had to be well groomed- short hair and no visible tattoos.

    Also, the white shirts they wear? That was also Les Schwab’s idea. The shirts get dirty easy and “shows they’ve been working hard”.

    I went to Big 5 Sporting Goods right after that and had to ask the guy in the shoe dept. there if they had a dress code. He confirmed they did, but didn’t get into specifics.

    Anyone know if Walmart has one?

  19. Mitch
    December 30, 2011 at 7:49 am


    “…will fail, even if they go several weeks without using.”

    Seriously? Weeks not hours? I never would have guessed traces would remain that long; are you sure?

  20. Mitch
    December 30, 2011 at 7:56 am

    An MIT professor’s take on outsourcing manufacturing:


    It’s hard to excerpt, but the gist of the professor’s argument is that you can’t expect to outsource the manufacturing and keep the design and innovation at home.

    I wonder how many non-professors could have thought that up without MIT’s help.

  21. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 7:58 am

    1 time use will test positive for 5 to 8 days.
    2-4 times a month – 11 to 18 days.
    2-4 times a week – 23 to 35 days.
    5-6 times a week – 33 to 48 days
    Daily 49 – 63 days

    As noted here, the length of time has many variables due to potency, size, fluid consumption, metabolism, etc.


  22. December 30, 2011 at 8:22 am

    I’ve heard they can use snippets of a person’s hair for drug tests. Anybody know why they don’t just use hair?

  23. pee in d cup
    December 30, 2011 at 8:24 am

    most companies that piss test don’t test for pot because that is the most expensive test to run and the fact that there is no way to tell when the pot was used. Issues like this are slowly being resolved in the courts.

  24. December 30, 2011 at 8:34 am

    just testing for pot? bet not! the big deal is meth! tweekers will try all sorts of crazy shit at work, even knew this guy who’s brother was a wazz head, he got busted handing out tv sets to his buddies off the loading dock while he worked in shipping and receiving. he didn’t think anyone would figure it out…
    Meth is the real problem here, Remember world famous drug expert Jerry Garcia said “marijuana makes you behave”
    the problem with pot is it costs too much…

  25. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 8:38 am

    The problem with urine or hair tests for pot is that they don’t reveal whether someone is under the influence, just that they have been in the past weeks to months. Tests for other, far more dangerous drugs like alcohol, heroin, cocaine and meth, only show what was consumed a few hours to days prior to the test.

  26. RefFan
    December 30, 2011 at 8:48 am

    pee in d cup, you need to do a little more research b4 stating “most companies dont test for pot”. In my profession, its been a standard practice to test for pot because it is one of the most used drugs.

  27. December 30, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Hi Fi, Will you hold the cup?

  28. just middle class
    December 30, 2011 at 9:02 am

    And the next anti-Wal Mart post is……………………. Heraldo is obsessing again.

  29. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 9:28 am

    If one had a more positive attitude, he might thank Heraldo for letting prospective Walmart employees know that they should abstain from pot for the period their particular usage requires for a clean test, JMC.

    Personally, I’m grateful I don’t have to work for a global monster like Walmart, even if you could smoke pot on the job. If I was ever in a position where I had to take anything available, I’d rather work for a locally owned McBurger franchise where I could at least salve my aching soul with a toke once in a while (assuming I could afford it).

  30. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Drug testing is driven by a company’s insurance more than its social policies. Remember a decade ago when the stoned train engineer killed all of those people when the train derailed? That was the beginning.

    And yes, ask any local employer, and they will tell you it is extremely hard to find employees that will pass a drug test.

  31. just middle class
    December 30, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Jane, I expect that very few potential Walmart employees read this blog.

  32. Not A Native
    December 30, 2011 at 9:40 am

    One answer for HumCo stoners…..

    SAN DIEGO (AP) — U.S. troops are increasingly using an easy-to-get herbal mix called “Spice,” which mimics a marijuana high, is hard to detect and can bring on hallucinations that last for days.

    The abuse of the drug has so alarmed military officials that they’ve launched an aggressive testing program that this year has led to the investigation of more than 1,100 suspected users, according to military figures.

    So-called “synthetic” pot is readily available on the Internet and has become popular nationwide in recent years, but its use among troops and sailors has raised concerns among the Pentagon brass.

  33. Plain Jane
    December 30, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Why would you think that very few potential Walmart employees read this blog, JMC?

  34. December 30, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Decline To State says:
    December 30, 2011 at 6:58 am

    So no body with glaucoma will be working at Walmart, eh? Aren’t there protections in the work place for those who use prescribed, medicinal marijuana?

    The answer in no. Arnold vetoed that bill.

  35. jr
    December 30, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Looks like I will need to dust off my copy of Abbie Hoffman’s book “Steal This Urine Test”.

  36. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Speaking of Walmart, didn’t Caltrans and Save Richardson Grove file their briefs in Federal Court this week?

  37. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Does this mean you won’t be appying for a job at WalMart Heraldo?

  38. Rose
    December 30, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I would have to be real high to work there

  39. Fact Checker
    December 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Anonymous says:
    December 30, 2011 at 4:26 am

    “What’s your evidence that a significant percentage of Eurekans do an illegal drug?”

    See Prop 215 to understand the concept of “legal”.

  40. December 30, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “Does Walmart have an employee dress code?”
    Well, their customers sure have a strange one.

  41. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    See Prop 215 to understand the concept of “legal”.

    What’s your evidence that a significant percentage of Eurekans use marijuana by any means, legal or not legal? The original claim was that Wal-Mart would have trouble finding anyone it could hire. I suspect the opposite is true, that a minority smoke pot, yes, even in Eureka.

  42. Anonymous
    December 30, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    I don’t think hair is a valid test unless it is taken out of the scalp or snipped very close to the scalp.

    I go to a local market and the checker I see often, though very polite, is a flake and screws up my order quite often. She can’t remember what she said or if she has asked me if I want paper or plastic and she was about to fall asleep today. I bet she was on something. Thank goodness she has the job she does, and isn’t driving a bus or something.

  43. WhatNow
    December 30, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I believe that hair tests can show up to 7 years of chemical ingestion.
    Throw e few poppy seeds into your diet and blood tests will indicate probable industrial consumption of opiates.

  44. December 30, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Yeah, doesn’t WalMart just piss you off? This could be our chance to “piss on WalMart”. Maybe the famous “bank crapper” could make them an offer.

    If you haven’t caught on by now, WalMart doesn’t give a shit about its employees and damn little about its customers, as indicated by its behavior in so many instances. They’ll never see my lttle rear end inside their store. I’ll sew my own underwear first.

  45. High Finance
    December 30, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Oh bull Mouse. Your post shows a total lack of knowledge about how the business world, especially the retail world, works.

    WalMart cares everything about satisfying its customers. That is how it expanded from one little tiny store in a tiny town to the biggest retail company in the world.

    You don’t like WalMart ? You are free to not go in their store. But methinks you will sneak in when you think nobody is looking.

    And by the way anonymous 11.15am, it is a well known fact that Heraldo applied to be a WalMart greeter and they turned him down. He has been bitter ever since.

  46. December 30, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    All safety matters aside; we’ve lost any semblance of individual rights to privacy.

  47. Anonymous
    December 31, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    If you want the job you have the right to stop smoking pot! The company has a right to have a safe/drug free work environment.

  48. December 31, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    The company has a right to have a safe/drug free work environment.

    During the period of pay only. what a worker does after work
    is nobody’s business but his/her own.

  49. December 31, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I gave a tongue-in-cheek answer. I didn’t think anyone would take it seriously. But I keep forgetting Eureka residents have no sense of humor. Tongue-in-cheek is a phrase used as a figure of speech to imply that a statement or other production is humorously intended and it should not be taken at face value.

    Everyone knows the ratio of residents that smoke pot in Humboldt is the highest in the country. There is a series on the History channel that states that. I don’t smoke it but I am disabled and not part of the working public. I do have a 215 card but I don’t need it. Got it when I was taking Chemo but I don’t like the feeling pot gives me. For the record I know officers, parole agents, doctors, teacher’s and elected officials that smoke pot. It’s more commonly used here then most people think.

    It is easy to mask a drug test so that pot use doesn’t show up in a urine test. There are products on the market that hide the drug use like Red Seal tea and others at ureasample.com Hair follicle tests can’t be faked, show 7 years of use but are very expensive and take months to get results. Courts use them but employers do not.

    Walmart does have a dress code. Seniors can apply for any position but the likelihood of being hired for anything except a greeter is very slim. They would rather hire younger people who don’t complain as much.

    Everyone have a Happy New Year but try not to get to drunk and/or high!

  50. December 31, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    HiFi, you could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. WalMart, out of its love for its customers, opens and closes stores in small towns all over the country. Once they open, the local stores are forced to close. When business drops off (who has money left?), they close, leaving a ruined town and an empty giant building. Don’t think it happens? Read “The Big Box Swindle” by Stacey Mitchell for all the documentation you need. I’d even loan you my copy. WalMart’s great ‘concern’ for its customers starts and ends in their wallets.
    Keep you eyes open. If the Eureka store is a success, watch for the Crescent City store to close. Why would you shop there anyway when Fred Meyers in Brookings gives you almost 10% off for taxes right off the bat?

  51. jr
    December 31, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Although you are not charged sales tax when you shop in Oregon, the sales tax that you would have paid at the time of purchase must be declared when you file your income tax form in April. Few do so, but the Board of Equalization is cracking down on this. Those who buy a car from a dealer in Oregon but live in California have the sales tax and other California fees collected by the Oregon dealer.

  52. High Finance
    December 31, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Your misunderstanding of how the business world and how the retail world works is amazing Mouse.

  53. Dan
    January 1, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Jr.’s right. When a car is bought ‘out of state,’
    if no one else- the DMV will collect the sales tax
    at the point of Cal registration. Figure it in, I think +8%

    Good New Year to all.

  54. martha
    January 1, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I really wish that there was a test for alcohol. I hate drunk people. Alcohol is the REAL problem. However I have never been in a Walmart and I never will, so this matters not at all to me.

  55. January 1, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Gee, HiFi, I’m sorry to have lived all these years without ever understanding anything or realizing that yours is the only way to see the world. I grovel at your feet and worship your vast fount of knowledge. Kiss WalMart for me. Once they’re the only player in town, you will both be happy. Why didn’t I realize before how wonderful that would be?

    Pardon me, I’m going to puke now.

  56. Anonymous
    January 1, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Steve Strombeck/Hi fi understands business…Screw as many people as you can .in the name of the LORD. and than laugh in the face of poor people who have no resources to defend themselves. I really respect that in him.

  57. Hum Depot
    January 1, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse is right. If trends go the way they have, and if the Eureka store is a big success, Crescent City Walmart would close.

  58. January 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    713 you want to drug test social services recipients.

    How do you feel about drug testing city employees?

    have a peaceful day,

  59. January 1, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    And I am with the several posters here who think that we have a new High Finance in our midst.

    Their team has brought in a relief pitcher, a ringer. The old HIgh Finance couldn’t find the strike zone.

    The old High Finance had virtually no real business experience and extremely limited math skills. We will see what this new High Finance can bring to the table aside from parroting the “wisdom” of Sean Hannity.

    What happened to the old one? I hope we didn’t give him PTSD.

    have a peaceful day,

  60. jr
    January 1, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    On what basis would Wal-Mart close the Crescent City store which is almost 100 miles from Eureka? The store in Crescent City is currently undergoing expansion to a Super Wal-Mart with completion set for this Summer.

  61. 713
    January 1, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Sounds good, people shouldn’t be drunk or drugged at work, wherever that may be. Also shouldn’t be spending social services money that is intended to help people with food and shelter on drugs and alcohol.

  62. January 1, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    713, I applaud your consistency so far, but I doubt if the employees of the City of Eureka share your enthusiasm for drug testing.

    How about drug testing to qualify for a concealed carry permit? People shouldn’t be drugged out and carrying guns around either, should they?

    have a peaceful day,

  63. 713
    January 1, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    I am not really a fan but it seems like people receiving public assistance and public employees should be held to a standard at least as high as a truck driver for winco or cashier at Walmart.

  64. High Finance
    January 2, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Thank you for your concern dear Bill, and for the laugh.

    I suppose next you’ll be telling us you played professional baseball ?

  65. Anonymous
    January 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    “You don’t like WalMart ? You are free to not go in their store.”

    This canard is getting very old, it demonstrates a total lack of knowledge about how the business world, especially the retail world, works.

    Due to their size, big boxes don’t need customers for a decade or more, just like Ray’s Market in Eureka! They merely need to cause a tiny percentage of limited retail dollars to be lost by local independent businesses year after year to decimate the competition. Eventually, consumer’s choices, and the prices they pay, become very limited.

    When this successful strategy does fail, empty big box hulks provide inflated losses against their other profitable stores.

    We live in a highly regulated economy enforcing extreme competitive inequities. To the extent that the REAL WORLD of crony-capitalism and imperialism remain unreported, average citizens remain susceptible to the tired, “free-market” illusions by traitors like your “High-Finance”.

    Countless societies before ours had their short-sighted traitors who derive sick satisfaction from the destitute, they are always the last to concede the intimate linkages between a nation’s prosperity and security and the condition of its weakest members.

  66. High Finance
    January 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Ray’s is a “big box” ?

    Over and over and over again, I have challenged you to provide a list of local stores left in Eureka that would be driven out of business by a WalMart.

  67. Anonymous
    January 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Ray’s is a pretty large chain, as opposed to say, Murphy’s. Right? I think any store that is on the edge will be hurt by another large “sell everything” type store. There are only so many dollars to go around.

  68. Apologist Not
    January 3, 2012 at 12:06 am

    No kidding!

    Where did Anonymous @ 1:58 claim Ray’s is a “big box”? The analogy was apt and, apparently, WAY over High-Traitor’s head.


  69. January 3, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Hi Fi, here is one example,

    Recently, I went to Roy’s to pick up some teleme cheese and found the deli closed, I said Evo, what’s up? He said,”Costco sells bulk cold cuts and specialty meats cheaper than I can buy them, I can not compete with that”.

    But for me, I want teleme and quality aged prosciutto hand picked by my deli man, I want to buy a 1/4 pound of prosciutto, a 1/2 pound of teleme. Now I can not even find teleme and have 1 less recipe I can cook (properly)…and Roy’s deli is out of business. That’s how it works.

    That is how big box’s impact small locally owned business and “cheapen” our lives as consumers. (I also know you didn’t need that explained to you).

    And I question the consistency of Hi Fi as well. Not the same old curmudgeon, I suppose the “powers that wanna be” want to put the Fullerton rumor to rest by switching him up.

  70. Iknowwhoyouareherldo@andiamgoingtogetyou.com
    January 3, 2012 at 11:04 am

    What a load of shite.

    These posts, not Walmart.

  71. Anonymous
    January 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    In response to the above poster.Everyone knows who Heraldo is!!! He’s your Mom,Dad,Brother,and protector against all that is evil and corrupt in Humboldt..If you would pull you head out of your Ass and brush the stink off your teeth..We could have a real authentic place to live..If you want something a Big city has to offer,Get on down the road and leave the people who really want to live here in peace, alone.Trolls are Trolls. No matter how much money you think someone is going to gift you..Ask Jeffie!

  72. High Finance
    January 3, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Owltem has never been right about anything. He speaks about things he knows nothing about. Not just my name but nobody, NOBODY bought anything from Roy’s deli for low prices.

    They bought for quality, convenience or selection, not bulk goods. Costco did not put their deli out of business, Costco has been around for many years. The economy put the deli out of business.

    And, even if you were right (snicker) and Costco had put Roy’s deli out of business, you proved my point. The stores that would have been hurt by WalMart were already done in by all the other big boxes that have come to town in the last 26 years.

    Try harder next time, you’re too easy to discredit.

  73. 713
    January 3, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    If you want something a Big city has to offer,Get on down the road and leave the people who really want to live here in peace, alone.

    I suppose that is the crux of the big debate. Of course people who are from here might tell you to go back where you came from and leave the people who really want to live here in peace.

  74. Apologist Not
    January 4, 2012 at 1:29 am

    “The stores that would have been hurt by WalMart were already done in by all the other big boxes that have come to town in the last 26 years”. Hi-Nitwit.

    Guess the town ‘fathers’ figure that if they keep doing everything wrong for long enough it’ll all turn out right…

  75. High Finance
    January 4, 2012 at 8:44 am

    “WalMart and Costco caused Jack-in-the-box to close because of their bulk sales of hamburger”

    Apoligist Not, Owltem 1-4-12

  76. January 4, 2012 at 9:46 am

    “They bought for quality, convenience or selection, not bulk goods.”

    and now you cant, and the Deli is gone. you asked for an example, you got it.

    This is not about Italian Delis Hi Fi, I am giving you concrete example of people we personally know and how Big Box has impacted our community.

    “NOBODY bought anything from Roy’s deli for low prices”

    You are right, we bought for quality, convenience and specialty products. Then we wander the isles of Costco and see a pound of sliced prosciutto for 6.99, and think WOW that’s cheap. Nice label, says Italian, we have convenience, a specialty product, a sample, and it is cheap! The prosciutto may have been packed in a meat packing plant in Kirkland Washington that produces and distributes at bulk prices small deli’s can not compete with, but still we bought it.

    One by one Italian Deli’s have closed everywhere, the 2 delis that had been around for 100 years+ in the city where my grandparents shopped closed when the economy was good. The specialty and neighborhood locally owned shops have been slammed closed 1 by 1 by competition from large convenient superstores packed with mass produced items.

    As a victorian seaport tourist destination, it is this local flavor we want to protect, preserve and promote, it is what sets us apart. by focusing only on the bottom line, development, profit and not the external impacts and “value” of our character and the local business owners that fuel that character, we lose exactly that which sets us apart!

    You may call ME easy to discredit, ask Doug Strehl what it has been like to stay in business. It takes a seriously dedicated clientele and community willing to shop local to keep local business in business. Fortuna has invested in “shop local, the Fortuna business district, and Fortuna Bucks”. Take a lesson from your conservative neighbors, they get it. Ask the folks in Ferndale, they get it!

    Your City has been wasteful and funneled tax and redevelopment money to the pockets of developers and old boys for profit at the cost of our “character” long enough. MacMurray did this with the Bayshore mall back in the 80’s, sickening the gateway to Eureka.

    A lot of locals are just sick of it HI Fi, sick of it. We see the bottom line of our FUTURE. A place we want to stay and raise our kids, a place people want to come and appreciate.

  77. RefFan
    January 4, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    And a place to buy clothes, furniture, and basic household needs without having to drive to Redding or South and spending all our money that doesn’t go as far as it did years ago. Get over it owltotem, we are living in the 20th century and things are not going to be like they used to. I miss going to deli’s like the one in Fortuna my Mom bought meats at when I was was growing up, but we are not living in the past anymore.

  78. Anonymous
    January 4, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    RefFan, List a specific “household need” you drive to Redding to buy. List the cost in Redding, the cost at a local store in Eureka, and how much time and gas you spend going to Redding and back to get this “household need”.

    I can understand buying hard to get items online and paying for shipping, but I don’t believe there is an economic argument that it is cheaper to drive to Redding or South specifically to buy clothes, furniture and basic household needs. Gas alone is $20-$30. If you are going there “anyway” then it really isn’t an economic argument.

  79. RefFan
    January 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    I guess it wld be the 21st century!! My bad..

  80. RefFan
    January 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Clothes, furniture, & HOLIDAY SHOPPING is a main factor ppl go to the bigger cities to get more for the buck. Clothes shopping around here has been pretty limited in style, for me anyways. There are lots of ppl who might buy clothes online, but I am not one of them. Household needs was not meant as soap, toilet paper, dog food, etc. Sorry I didn’t specify it better for you.

  81. jr
    January 4, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    RefFan is right about going out of town for clothes shopping. With the loss of Gottschalks there are no retailers selling men’s clothes that I would consider appropriate business attire. So it is off to Macy’s in Redding or Santa Rosa or Nordstroms in Sacramento.

    As to Holiday shopping, why not support local artisans and give hand-crafted items. One can either buy direct from the artisan at numerous area craft fairs or from the local merchants that by from those artisans.

    Out-of-area buying of furniture can be more trouble than you potentially save in that one either must have a pick-up or rent a trailer to bring it back home. Local furniture stores usually deliver and set up for free (but sometimes the charge for that service is incorporated into the sales price.) But I find that local furniture stores will match prices to gain a sale.

  82. High Finance
    January 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Jr should go to the Bayshore Mall again.

    There are two men’s “business attire” stores there that are better than what Gottschalks had.

  83. jr
    January 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    H.F. Thank you for this. While Gottschalks was OK, what I really miss is Arthur Johnson’s. I will check out those stores.

  84. High Finance
    January 4, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Arthur Johnson’s was the best.

  85. jr
    January 4, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    There was also a short-lived men’s store on Firth Street near E that was a man’s name, but I’ve have forgotten it. This was in the mid 80s. Great clothes. Anybody remember this store?

  86. Apologist Not
    January 5, 2012 at 1:42 am

    You don’t have to be a PhD economist, although there are many, willing to educate rural right-wingers.

    Flooding communities with low-wage, part-time, temp. jobs, while bankrupting public services with the subdivisions that these workers can’t afford to own, is unsustainable locally and nationally.

    In this environment, millions are making their living on the desperation and rapid decline of American families.

    To these booming businesses, the more families that fall into poverty, the better the business.

    Like exporting the old-growth….it ends when it ends…very badly.

  87. 713
    January 5, 2012 at 4:06 am

    bankrupting public services with the subdivisions that these workers can’t afford to own

    Explain how that works for me please. What services are the subdivisions using?

  88. RefFan
    January 5, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Wow, the Tip Top was allowed to open and is still in business but we cant have a Walmart. You all know very well that once Target came, it was just a matter of time before Walmart arrived. Can’t wait for the In & Out Burger joint to open, if thats still in the works! Maybe it will be going in the Jack in the Box spot??

  89. High Finance
    January 5, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “Flooding communities with low-wage, part-time, temp. jobs”

    This perfectly illustrates your lack of economic understanding Apologist Not. Those jobs you sniff at do not stop good paying jobs from coming in. And those jobs are far better than “flooding the community” with the unemployed instead.

    Second point, the subdivisions aren’t coming if people can’t afford to own them.

  90. January 5, 2012 at 10:47 am

    713, Martin Slough interceptor project for one

  91. SmokeMonster
    January 5, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Reffan- will you stop the in-and-out stuff,THEY ARE NOT COMING HERE ANYTIME SOON.

  92. Apologist Not
    January 5, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    It’s always amusing when High-Finance impugns others lack of economic understanding when his own “understanding” contradicts the overwhelming majority of national and local economic research, as well as, his own lying eyes.

    Saturating a community in low wages is as effective in addressing unemployment as exporting our natural resources.

    Neither is sustainable, and both create communities that diminish the quality of life that attracts higher-paying capital investment.

    Apparently, Mr. Big Finance has already forgotten what happens when communities, and a nation, become saturated in homes few can afford, (and the world’s banks play along).

    How convenient.

  93. Anonymous
    January 6, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Is there an economic subject, or big box (Walmart), more studied in recent history for their injury to communities and to their own workers? Did you actually expect a troll to read “The Big Box Swindle” or the Bay Area Economics report on Eureka?

    HiFi is a troll/antagonist seeking to provoke.

    His work is done here.

  94. 713
    January 6, 2012 at 6:36 am

    When the project is completed, the city and district will be able to decommission the 15 pump stations, which should save the entities about $100,000 per year in electrical power costs, Gierlich said. Reducing the number of pump stations also lowers the risk of sewer overflow, he said — many of the stations are old and do not have backup generators or other modern equipment. According to a benefit cost analysis completed by the city and the district, it would be more expensive to bring all of the pump stations to the same standards than to complete the Martin Slough project.


    Martin slough is bankrupting the the city? I think you are exaggerating. If providing services to existing homes to lower the city costs and improve services is bankrupting the city, why pick one project, you should be saying that all the residents are bankrupting the city, shouldn’t you?

  95. High Finance
    January 6, 2012 at 9:25 am

    I hesitate to respond to the empty post at 12.08am as he is the perfect example of a troll.

    But just in case he is ignorant and not just a useless person, I will try. “Anonymous” a troll is not somebody who disagrees with you or disagrees with your “facts”. A troll is one who offers nothing but insults (like your post) and does not attempt to offer any counter debate points.

    I have posted many times why those “studies” are not relevent to Eureka’s current situation. The fact you don’t read my points does not make them any less true.

  96. Maggie
    January 7, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Union jobs have been piss-testing for decades…

  97. Apologist Not
    January 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    The Martin Slough Interceptor is a $30 million public gift to the local development community to catchup to 30 years of big-home, big profit Cutten/Myrtletown sprawl, a gamble that paid-off big for speculators that anticipated two housing bubbles, while currently planning the next.

    The rest of Eureka’s average families remain stuck with sewage infrastructure from the 1920’s and a generation of chronic sewage discharges into Eureka’s wetlands and Humboldt Bay.

    It would take an extremely talented, and extremely well-funded orator to challenge this continuing legacy by exposing the millions in public subsidies required by sprawl and big box saturation that the right-wing, and a compliant local media, ignore at all costs.

  98. Anonymous
    January 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    “I have posted many times why those ‘studies’ are not relevent to Eureka’s current situation. The fact you don’t read my points does not make them any less true.”

    Anyone reading his childish posts, misspellings, boundless dodges and sophistry, would know that Mr. High-Treason has never offered ANY research of ANY kind that supports his “points” or contradicts the watershed of evidence that low-wage and sprawl saturation require massive unfunded public subsidies and are economically unsustainable. As this failed development model continues, the research becomes more relevant, not less.

    He’s a troll.

    That’s why he skipped all those facts he like to “debate” at 11:52 to focus on me!

  99. Plain Jane
    January 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    HiFi is a developer / rental property owner and his posts are nothing but propaganda to enrich himself.

  100. 713
    January 7, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    How does the development community benefit from fixing a current problem? I could see your point of the city was running a line out to the a bunch of empty lots, but that is not what they are doing, is it?

  101. Plain Jane
    January 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    They need the upgrades to build more residenes, 713, because the current system can’t handle them.

  102. Plain Jane
    January 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm


  103. Dan
    January 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Maggie says:
    January 7, 2012 at 7:40 am
    Union jobs have been piss-testing for decades…

    What unions? Why would a union want
    or encourage piss testing?

    Not at all my experience.

  104. Plain Jane
    January 7, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    A number of unions allow, if don’t require, urine tests because of safety issues. Truck drivers, electrical workers, and most public employee unions are drug tested at hiring and subject to random tests without regard to specific suspicion. Many employers will also do urine tests on any employee with an on-the-job injury which may be required by their workman’s compensation insurance. The federal government and many states require urine tests for some jobs for safety and security reasons under drug-free workplace programs and many states offer a discount on work comp premiums for those with strict drug testing policies.

  105. 713
    January 7, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    So reducing the current risk of overflow and saving $100,000 per year doesn’t have anything to do with it?

  106. Anonymous
    January 8, 2012 at 12:34 am

    The infrastructure is paid for by everyone, it belongs to everyone, yet, it was harvested by greedheads beyond capacity for homes that 75% of local incomes do not qualify for.

    If we had community-interest media, the public would be outraged and the developers political candidates would lose their monopoly.

  107. High Finance
    January 8, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Let’s nationalize everything comrade.

  108. Apologist Not
    January 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    It is the historic, predictable abuse of public wealth for personal gain that led most of the industrialized world to nationalize health care and energy half a century ago, and like marijuana, it never led to heroin or communism! Japan’s nationalization of its banks helped them escape the worst of the economic collapse, AND the nuclear disaster, without foreign loans or bailouts.

    It’s only when average citizens unite to enact legislation in their own financial interests that hypocrites cry “commie”!

    Stalin or Mussolini would have marveled at the centralization achieved by a handful of U.S. corporation’s interlocking directorates; their revolving door to top gov. posts, and their reams of legislation that reintroduced child labor to America, outsourcing millions of jobs, devastating foreign environments, exporting foreign resources at bargain prices, while paying nothing in taxes.

    Quite a coup comrade.

  109. Anonymous
    March 4, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    Test only catch potheads.hard drugs are out too fast.

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