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Anti-Occupy rally at the courthouse today

The Times-Standard says more than 250 people are expected to show support for cleaning up the front of the Humboldt County courthouse, which has been hogged by Occupy Eureka for about the last four months straight. The rally is set for 4-6pm.

  1. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 9:11 am

    If you’d like to hear an extremely intelligent person explaining the problems that have brought out the Occupy protests, you can’t do better than the City Arts and Lectures interview with Jeffrey Sachs that aired a couple of nights ago on KHSU.

    Even a few years ago, I never thought I’d hear a broadcast like this. It now seems that the wealthiest are so confident of their position in our society that they don’t even try to control stuff like this — they know they can always buy the government regardless of how many people hear things like this.

    I can’t recommend this more highly:

  2. February 3, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Thanks, Mitch! Both Jeffrey Sachs and City Arts & Lectures are great, but I missed this one.

  3. High Finance
    February 3, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Does this mean you two will not attend the rally this afternoon ?

  4. jr
    February 3, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Mitch: Yes, that was an incredible talk. It was too bad he only had an hour and audience questions were limited to only two people. Perhaps he can be invited by HSU CenterArts or another organization to speak here.

    I have the feeling that he was speaking primarily to the choir and that those that need to hear it–who should hear it–were not tuned in last Wednesday evening. So in order to create the changes he suggests need to happen, his message needs to be targeted to those who do NOT listen to KHSU or attend forums like City Arts and Lectures.

  5. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 10:17 am


    IMO, if Occupy is about anything, it is about opening the public’s minds to the message of people like Jeffrey Sachs.

    The vast majority of the paid media will continue to belittle Occupy; that’s not a great media conspiracy, it’s just a combination of the way they have been taught to see the world, combined with knowledge, conscious and subconscious, about how to reach the top of the industry. Low-paid and unpaid muckrakers will continue to tell the truth, and will continue to be largely ignored as “too radical” and “too unrealistic.”

    One strategy that has ALWAYS been used to belittle a legitimate movement is to highlight its most outrageous members (“Did YOU poo and pee on the bank?! Did YOU?!). That will undoubtedly continue, because it works well.

    Our only hope is that a day will come when the “authorities” have brought so much discredit on themselves that people will — almost certainly as a last resort — start to think for themselves and “believe their lying eyes.” (I remember an old Doonesbury in which some of the characters were wishing they could catch Nixon with a physically smoking gun in his hand. “Then we’d have him, by golly!”)

    If Occupy can show people how naked the emperors have become, the ideals of America might be able to take our country back from the people who are destroying it.

  6. Evie
    February 3, 2012 at 10:27 am

    If people allow their votes to be bought, then they deserve the government that they get.

  7. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 10:50 am


    Have you ever seen the famous political ad JFK ran, when candidate TV advertising was relatively new? It went something like this, to an arguably-catchy melody: “Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Kenne-dy, Kennedy.” Things have become more sophisticated since then, but even that worked.

    As long as there is a political advertising industry, people’s votes can be bought without their knowledge.

    The evidence is staring you, me and the rest of us in the face: just go back and review the coverage of the past few weeks about how different campaigns “investments in advertising” were able to vastly change poll results in a few primary states. That’s people’s opinions being changed in real time — buying of votes by running advertising.

    If you were to ask people as you polled them whether they changed their mind because of the last ad they saw, they’d laugh at you and say they’re far more sophisticated than that, yet the polls don’t lie.

    How sane is it to have a democracy where you can predict changes in poll numbers by looking at who’s been able to buy advertisements in what quantity? How is that what the voters deserve?

  8. jr
    February 3, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Mitch: Your observations of the Occupy movement are right on. I have viewed the Occupy Oakland G.A. via LiveStream and am impressed how egalitarian the whole process is conducted. It is truly direct democracy. One need only read the postings from the various Occupy web sites to realize that this movement has become “to legit to quit”. I recommend not only the Oakland site but also http://www.occupymedfordoregon.org, http://www.occupysac.com, and http://www.occupyportland.org. But there are hundreds more, and an internet search will show the depth of this movement.

  9. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Some people think that’s all we’re worthy of, Mitch. Tell us big lies and set us against our brothers for your benefit. It works, it always has.

  10. Car
    February 3, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Mitch, to take the discussion of Occupy EUREKA back to a much lower level: the people occupying the front of the counthouse have no clue about the Occupy movement you address. Your’s is the true reason for Occupy Wall Street/Eureka/everything. But the people who have pooped and peed and caused ugly fences to be raised around the courthouse don’t understand or don’t care about REAL Occupy movement. I have passed the courthouse daily for several years. Since August I have seen the demonstration degenerate from citizens truly expressing their concerns to homeless folks with no place else to go panhandling and begging for cigarettes. Occasionally I will see one or two folks holding signs that express the concerns originally addressed by the Occupy movement but I fear they too have been driven off by the crowd of angry homeless and mentally ill who, with their dogs have made it uncomfortable for the rest of us to exercise our first amendment rights or even enter the courthouse to conduct our business. I think it is time for the Occupy movement to take back the Occupy movement.

  11. February 3, 2012 at 11:29 am

    So what’s gonna be; knives or guns?

  12. February 3, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Should be an “it” in there somewhere..

  13. February 3, 2012 at 11:43 am

    No, it’ll start out with rocks, etc first.

    I’m amazed at how clueless everyone is about the Occupy Movement’s purpose.

  14. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 11:44 am


    I don’t know how to respond to what you are saying.

    Most things that are truly grass-roots are going to be faced with dealing with participants who might not get gold stars from the general public. I don’t know how you deal with that. I really don’t.

  15. janelle
    February 3, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Car, I an assure you that I have no wish to make it uncomfortable for the “rest of us” to exercise our first amendment rights. We have been made most uncomfortable in many ways, but I firmly believe that when it comes to our rights we need to use them or we will surely loose them.

    To all, FYI from October 1, 2011 Declaration of the Occupation of New Your City:

    Exercise your right to peaceably assemble, occupy public space, create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

    We are working on all of the above. See you in front of the courthouse.

  16. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I’d bet if Eureka had safe places for the homeless, and safe places for our neighbors who are mentally ill, most of the homeless and/or mentally ill people you might be seeing around the courthouse these days would rather go to that safe place.

    Occupy Eureka may have simply created a place in which some people who are normally trashed on by the rest of us felt comparatively safe.

    If EPD, the Sheriff, the Board of Supervisors and, heaven help us, County DHHS “managers” were told they wouldn’t get paid until decent, safe spaces existed for the mentally ill, the problem wouldn’t have been dumped in the lap of the people trying to protest and raise awareness.

    But I agree with Car, it is time for Occupy to Occupy Occupy. Hopefully some of those who might choose to protest against Occupy will realize that their time would be better spent supporting its goals.

  17. Thorstein Veblen
    February 3, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Mitch, you deal with it by significantly outnumbering the homeless and mentally ill with more upscale protestors. And that gets harder and harder to do when we seem to have so many more of both.

    You see it in old town, on popular arts alive nights when the weather is good, you don’t even notice the vagrants, homeless, druggies and mentally ill. It feels safe and vibrant. But on a slow night, with a draw of only a few people, the homeless dominate, and the atmosphere is quite different.

    I see that as a problem for Occupy, the only people with enough spare time to occupy are the homeless. Over time, they may tend to take over occupy sites. I think Car is pointing out this trend.

    The flip side is that if the 1% continue to take us down the path we are on, we may all become homeless and destitute and hence have time to protest and occupy.

  18. janelle
    February 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Please do not forget that there are a wide range of people between homeless mentally ill and “upscale”. Also, even the protesters that are homeless are not there all day every day.

    There is no reason to wait until you are homeless or destitute to join the Occupy movement and exercise your right to peaceably assemble, occupy public space, create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

  19. Goldie
    February 3, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I am sick of the needy, the needy banks that is:The Fed didn’t tell anyone which banks were in trouble so deep they required a combined $1.2 trillion on Dec. 5, 2008, their single neediest day. Source: ABC news 2008.
    The homeless we can see and they frighten us. They are so easy to become annoyed at that Republican women are organizing a Besty Lambert backed counter ‘occupy’.

  20. Percy
    February 3, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Maybe KINS would care to invite him to speak on the same forum that Arkley uses.

  21. Percy
    February 3, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    That would be Mr. Sachs

  22. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 2:09 pm


    Sachs would flunk the no-more-than-four-words-per-sentence rule, for starters. That hits long before his political position even enters the picture.

  23. Harold Knight
    February 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Since its inception, the U.S. Constitution has had its foes.

    If our “free-press” consistently reported citizen’s loss of fundamental services, and the human costs that result, (as often as the Dow Jones), there would be fewer ignorant bigots, and the victims of capitalism protesting on the courthouse steps each day would hardly be as “shocking”.

    If we had retained the housing, job training and placement programs, and free university that I enjoyed in the 1970’s I might be angry at the homeless too!

    The fascists always want it both ways; divest from fundamental human services,then repress and censor the loss of dignity and suffering that results, .

    If Merle Harpham doesn’t like spending my tax dollars removing the signs on the courthouse daily, he can come over to my neighborhood and remove the garage sale signs still hanging up from last Summer.

    Too bad he doesn’t enforce the laws prohibiting the 14-year blight behind our beautiful Eureka Inn.

    Oh, that’s right….good ol’ boy messes get a pass.

  24. February 3, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Is it any surprise that the homeless think it is safer for them to sleep in front of the courthouse than under a bush in some field some where?

    How much better it would be for a lot of people if we had a homeless campground under the 255 bridge. Safer for the homeless and more pleasant for you “citizens.”

    No you would rather have them wander your streets, clog up the court system and the jail, overload the police department with trivial calls than simply provide them with a place to pitch a tent or park their car, some running water and some basic sanitation (a half dozen porta-potties.)

    There is no excuse for civic stupidity on this scale.

    have a peaceful day,

  25. Bolithio
    February 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I say take the fence down, and just ask the protesters not to camp. There must be some more ‘leader’ types who could help prevent people from camping, along with a few friendly walk-buys of a peace officer. The fence seems ridiculous at this point – and Occupy shouldn’t need to camp to get attention.

  26. Thirdeye
    February 3, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Protest movements since the late 60s have failed at preventing their message from being co-opted and distorted by antisocial fringe elements that use them for their own narrow purposes. The occupy movement is following that pattern. Occupy Eureka is largely the same old group of professional protesters with wingnut ideas. Occupy Oakland is dominated by anarchists who just want to vandalize and disrupt. The protests are no longer a useful way of getting the original message out.

    It’s all well and fine to point out the issues that launched the occupy movement, but that is completely inadequate when confronted with the seriously off-message results of most recent occupy protests. They have grown counterproductive. The current group of protesters is providing a foil for the greedheads just as SDS provided a foil for Nixon, the black power extremists provided a foil for racists, and the antics of radical feminists and gays provided a foil for right wing culture warriors.

  27. February 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    It’s good that all the craziest of the crazy are hanging out in front of the courthouse . It serves to remind the people inside of the results of their shitty policy decisions.

  28. Anonymous
    February 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Holy Cow ! Is this what tooo much pot smoking does to people ?

    This has to be some kind of joke ? You people are not for real ? Are you ?

  29. FourthAsshole
    February 3, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    You are so right thirdeye and another great example of a co-opted protest movement is the way the Tea Party has been co-opted by racists, skinheads, anti-immigrant xenophobes, violent anti-government zealots, christian fascist dominionists and quisling puppets of the globalist elite.

    It makes you wonder……

  30. February 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    The Tea Party was formed, not co-opted, by “racists, skinheads, anti-immigrant xenophobes, violent anti-government zealots, and christian fascist dominionists.”

    It was co-opted by Dick Armey, but that was a logical marriage of crack-pot ideology to cynicism.

  31. tra
    February 3, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    So, did the anti-occupiers muster the 250+ people that they said they expected?

  32. Thirdeye
    February 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    @tra – No. No real confrontation between occupy and anti-occupy, they both just held their space. The anti-occupy group got honks and seemed a bit happier.

  33. Mitch
    February 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm


    I think the Tea Party was formed by Dick Armey and the Koch brothers…

  34. tra
    February 3, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    “A large group of Occupy Eureka protesters have reportedly turned out to what had been planned as a “Take Back Our Courthouse Rally.”


  35. February 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    just came from the courthouse, there are still occupiers, there are more than ever… the fence is still there and it looks like a flop of a counter protest. occupiers win this one…

  36. Anonymous
    February 3, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    “looks like a flop of a counter protest. occupiers win this one…”

    Not quite, Big Al… a large group of “take back our courthouse” counterprotesters were definitely out in force, outnumbering the homeless, mentally disturbed and professional protesters who have hijacked the local occupy movement.

    I guess we all see what we want to see.

  37. High Finance
    February 3, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Despite the fact that the “take back” protestors have jobs and lives (unlike the occupoopers) I counted at least 400 of them.

    At least in Heraldo math.

    Anyone who attempts to claim the Anti Occupy mood in Eureka is a big majority either is totally out of touch with Eurekans or a liar.

  38. What Now
    February 3, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Anonymous @ 7:12 is suffering his usual delusional mid-happy hour mind frame.

    As for the counter deomonstrators;

    Kudos to the idiot with the bullhorn! (a regular poster on this blog)

    He actually only stumbled over his polysyllabic “goodbye occupy” rant about 1/3 of the time and didn’t seem to care that he wasn’t able to give a single flyer away to anyone that he didn’t already know!
    It WAS a hoot to seem him get confused over whether he reprersented the “silent minority” or the “silent majority” arguing with Verbanna.

    As for some of the greasy glandular cases that showed up to take back “their “courthouse ;

    Suffering Jehosephat!
    Did your skip your annual de-lousing or WHAT?
    International conventions (and common decency) PROHIBIT the use of “gas” warfare.

    Hopefully you can occupy a jail cell and learn some proper hygiene.

  39. February 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    HiFi, don’t blame your poor counting skills on me. Take responsibility for yourself! Isn’t that the right-wing way? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Get an education for fuck’s sake.

  40. tra
    February 3, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    HiFi said: “Anyone who attempts to claim the Anti Occupy mood in Eureka is a big majority either is totally out of touch with Eurekans or a liar.

    I agree. They promised 250 people, but according to the Times-Standard, they mustered only 50.

    Looks like most Eurekans must not be all that concerned about the protesters.

  41. jr
    February 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    Why does there need to be a counter protest? Why don’t those who are critical of the direction of the occupy movement become a part of it. Occupy is based on a direct democracy approach to solving the problems facing the country. Everyone has a voice at the G.A. and everyone has a vote on the policies which come forth from the G.A. Dueling protests accomplishes nothing; working together accomplishes much. When diverse opinions come together a synthesis of those opinions is the result.

  42. February 3, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    If you show up to a GA and are somewhat violently persuaded to depart (as happened to me at Occupy Eureka last year when all I did was stand there and film), then it’s not a democracy, direct or otherwise.

  43. tra
    February 3, 2012 at 8:00 pm


    I gues your reference to the number 400 is referring to the earlier thread in which you had dismissed, as “ridiculous,” the estimate of 400+ people showing up for the Solomon / Donahue event at the Eureka Theater?

    Remember, the reason you gave for declaring that estimate “ridiculous,” was your claim that the Eureka Theater couldn’t hold anywhere near 400 people “even with standing room only.”

    Of course the theater’s website showed that in fact it has nearly 900 seats. So your record as far as estimating goes, is not exactly stellar.

  44. tra
    February 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    The Times-Standard reports that about 50 “Anti-Occupiers” showed up today, about the same as the number of those who showed up to support the Occupy protesters.

    And it sounds like the situation was pretty mellow, with both groups able to share the space. Which is kind puts a pin in the Anti-Occupiers’ claims that the Occupy protesters were preventing others from using the space.

  45. walt
    February 3, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Isn’t the opposite of “occupy” “vacate”? Would the anti OWS folks be called “vWS”? Or just “Antis”?

  46. What Now
    February 3, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    ‘charleydouglas says:
    February 3, 2012 at 7:57 pm
    If you show up to a GA and are somewhat violently persuaded to depart (as happened to me at Occupy Eureka last year when all I did was stand there and film), then it’s not a democracy, direct or otherwise.”

    THANKFULLY there are far less timid journalists in this community than ol’ Chuckie.

    Dave Silverbrand interacted comfortably and intelligently with EVERYONE including officer Lyles who arrived wearing plastic gloves and just beside himself at the prospect of possible pending body cavity searches!

    The channel 3 “news team” DID manage to show briefly but scurried away discussing the prospect of which sushi establishment they could get to without the danger of alerting management that they weren’t actually heading directly back to their offices.

    And God Bless Sheriff Downey(!) for proudly parading his doughnut gut around before running back to his office.

  47. Thirdeye
    February 3, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    50 on each side sounds about right. What little support the rush hour traffic voiced was towards the antis. My guess is that OE will try to capitalize on the counterprotest somehow. Potentially another Humboldt pissing match in a bathtub in the making.

  48. February 3, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    “Is this what tooo much pot smoking does to people ?”

    What an incredibly stupid remark. 4:48
    Make-up stuff when you
    lack the intelligence to add something meaningful.

  49. What Now
    February 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    “Thirdeye says:
    February 3, 2012 at 8:25 pm
    50 on each side sounds about right. What little support the rush hour traffic voiced was towards the antis. My guess is that OE will try to capitalize on the counterprotest somehow. Potentially another Humboldt pissing match in a bathtub in the making.”

    That last line was a great one!
    THANK YOU for sharing that!
    Gave me a terrific chuckle.

  50. Anonymous
    February 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I’m sure robbie offered hi/sly stevie some money, or let him kiss his ring. Maybe stevie will finally get a ride in the jet, like virginia. With all the money robbie cost us on his bankruptcies $100 million +, he can afford to buy some more people to party with..We should all be upset by corporate America. The elitists get together again, to put down poor people. Some things never change. Remember both robbie and stevie are good Christians, and that’s what Christianity is all about?

  51. Anonymous
    February 3, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    The Eureka Occupy movement is 95% homeless derelicts. I work at the courthouse- not as law enforcements- and I encounter these people everyday. I have attempted to converse with several of the protesters and have not gotten far. While I realize there are some protesters fighting the good fight, it has been overtaken by bad people. I see fights, passed out drunks/ drug addicts, and pimps/hookers using the protest site as a hangout. If you doubt that this is the reality of the Eureka Occupy movement, go down to the courthouse any day around 4 pm and see for yourself. It is sad.

  52. jr
    February 3, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    This is sad, and too bad. I wonder if the other Occupy cities have this problem, and if so how they deal with it. And what is it about the other occupy locations that do NOT have this problem? Personally, I have not seen this problem at Occupy Medford, Occupy Ashland, or even Occupy Sacramento.

  53. Harold Knight
    February 4, 2012 at 12:09 am

    “What little support the rush hour traffic voiced was towards the antis”.

    This has to be the funniest aspect of the entire anti-occupy flop.

    The “anti’s” stood alongside and intermingled with the usual protesters so that anyone driving-by couldn’t distinguish them…it just looked like a banner OWS protest in Eureka!

    Yet, had they taken the other side of the street, their low-turnout would have been even more apparent.

    I feel their pain.

  54. February 4, 2012 at 1:52 am

    “Timid” you say? In the incident I described, I was alone at night filming with no other journalists around. There weren’t any law enforcement folks or counter-demonstrators either.

    As for today’s decidedly anti-climactic events — I was absent as I was busily buried in editing, the results of which you’ll see on Channel 11 at 2 p.m. Saturday. Unlike some of the Occupy Eureka folks, there are those of us who work on deadlines and thus aren’t able to be at a DAILY general assembly meeting.

  55. February 4, 2012 at 7:13 am

    O h it was fun down there yesterday It was like a Heraldo blog thread in live action. Except people generally had better manners in person.

  56. February 4, 2012 at 7:42 am

    I’m still thinking it would be better to occupy, say, BOA or something. That way everyone wins. The courthouse gets “cleaned” up and the banks get to deal with the problems they helped cause head on.

  57. February 4, 2012 at 8:05 am

    There was no small irony that right wingers who demonstrating are constantly running down the government about everything would be become belatedly concerned about the upkeep of public buildings.

  58. Mitch
    February 4, 2012 at 8:19 am

    It seems to me that anyone who is serious about moving democratic change is always asking themselves the question: is this making most people more likely to agree with me, or less?

    If you just want to tear something down, a completely different set of questions comes into play.

    The problem with just tearing things down is that you don’t know whether what replaces the status quo will be better or worse.

    When you’re angry and upset about how bad the existing system is, it’s hard to remember that it could be worse, and that aspects of the existing system might be preventing things from getting worse, as well as preventing things from getting better.

    When you’re grudgingly OK with the status quo, it’s hard to remember that people, especially young people, who feel the status quo is giving them absolutely no fairness or decent treatment are not going to mind tearing it down, just because that might inconvenience others.

    Imagine how wonderful things could be if true leadership would emerge, involving every part of the community in mending our frayed safety net. Every religious group could be urged to adopt one or two mentally ill street persons, every firehouse, every business with ten or more employees. Imagine the difference in the way a street person might perceive things if they each saw many more people trying to help. Imagine the difference in perception if comfortable citizens discovered the true difficulties that street folks have to endure every day.

    Instead, we largely act as though it’s the government’s problem.

    The government SHOULD be making things work, but when it becomes a dismal failure, whether because of incompetence, bureaucratic laziness and corruption, lack of resources, overwhelm, or some combination, everyday people need to remember that government is not the only answer.

    A society with a large number of people who wouldn’t mind seeing it torn down is not going to do very well, even for those who are comfortable with the status quo.

  59. February 4, 2012 at 8:29 am


    Can we draft you to run for Eureka City Council?

    have a peaceful day,

  60. Mitch
    February 4, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Talking ain’t doing. I’d be awful.

  61. Mitch
    February 4, 2012 at 8:47 am

    But, highboldtage, I think drafting someone (else) to run is a great idea.

    For too long, the people who run have been the people who WANT the job. Who needs those people in power?

    If a citizen’s group would seek out the people who have the natural ability for the job and who could put their heart and soul into repairing things, they’d find many people who would make excellent leaders. Given a group of friends and neighbors promising to support them, they might grudgingly agree to serve for a term or two. Wasn’t that the original idea behind parties (at least the nice original idea)?

    Start by disqualifying lawyers and politicians.

    Good hunting grounds would be among nurses and teachers — people who are forced to deal with reality and limits, every day, and who show up to do so, best as they can, every day, for not huge sums of money and not huge amounts of public recognition. But those aren’t the only places to look.

    As things stand now, the cycle seems to be (1) someone runs; (2) they either (a) negotiate with power or (b) get squashed. If (a), the people who voted for them act all betrayed that they weren’t the second coming after all. If (b), the people who voted for them go off feeling morally superior about how the system failed.

    How’s about (c): the team that drafts the candidate has to commit to keep volunteering for them the entire time the candidate is in office, with the same intensity they devoted to the campaign?

  62. February 4, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Well Mitch there is an pearl of intelligence to your comments here that would be a welcome discovery down at City Hall. Perhaps you underestimate yourself. On the other hand, a man does have to understand his own limitations, and I do try to understand my own.

    have a peaceful day,

  63. Mitch
    February 4, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Thanks, highboldtage. Maybe I’ll run for Trinidad City Council in thirty years or so.

  64. High Finance
    February 4, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Tra, 7.42pm. Obviously I misspoke and meant to say the Occupiers. The anti Occupy Humboldt sentiment is in the vast majority in Eureka.

  65. February 4, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Thank you Mitch and highboltage. Mitch, reconsider.

    Now to comment on our weekly Friday afternoon gathering which some other 99%ers decided to attend yesterday. Reading the TS this morning I noticed that Dave Meserve is quoted as saying that the fence has forced OE to block the courthouse steps. If this quote is accurate I want to assure everyone that we have been very careful not to block the courthouse steps. Heraldo, will you publish the photos I sent out yesterday?

    As for the fences, more offensive to me than the putting up of the fence around the lawn was the tearing down of signs when we tried to continue to use the area for free speech. This fence did also push the non-protesting homeless from the tents in the back onto the benches. The fences that came later, first around the steam vent and then under the elevated walkway, seem to be unnoticed, perhaps because they “only” limited access to heat and shelter for the homeless. In fact they also made it more difficult to maintain a 24 hour presence for the occupiers, both housed and homeless.

  66. February 4, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Today at noon we will be again claiming our right to use the lawn area (at least the fence portion) to exercise our free speech / press rights. We will be there in support of Women in Black who I understand have hung their banner in that area every Saturday for ten years. Looks like another beautiful day to be in front of the courthouse.

  67. February 4, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Tomorrow we meet again with Mr. Gallegos to discuss our rights to assemble, free speech/press and to petition our government; and to discuss a Human Rights Sanctuary.

  68. February 4, 2012 at 9:29 am

    “Anyone who attempts to claim the Anti Occupy mood in Eureka is a big majority either is totally out of touch with Eurekans or a liar.”

    For once I agree with Mr.Fi.,

  69. Thirdeye
    February 4, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Harold, Harold, Harold. You’re making stuff up. The two groups were separated. OE was west of the front steps. Anti was east of the front steps. That appeared to be arranged by the authorities to maintain access to the entryway and decrease the chance of confrontation.

    Janelle, you and OE are just part of a different 1%. It’s pretty apparent from your comments that OE is becoming primarily about OE. When a protest movement reaches that point, it’s essentially played out.

  70. Just Watchin
    February 4, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    WTF is a human rights sanctuary ?

  71. Harold Knight
    February 4, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Looks like you need a 4th eye, or maybe you weren’t there?

    Had the “anti’s” numbered 100 or “250” instead of maybe 50, they might have been distinguishable.

    Instead, they were standing along side, and mingling with, (provoking), the usual protesters.

    Unless a car were stopped in front of the courthouse taking careful notice, there’s no way the “anti’s” stood out from the rest!


    How disappointing to waste hundreds of signs on a confusing flop.

  72. Anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    “Well Mitch there is an pearl of intelligence to your comments here that would be a welcome discovery down at City Hall”.

    I agree, however, anyone willing to just say “no” to the “ANY growth is good growth crowd” would be a relief.

  73. Anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    As an outside observer who drove by at 5pm, I didn’t know it was an “Anti” rally. It just appeared to be more “Occupy” people than usual.

    The traffic was backed up a bit, but it cleared out just as I passed the courthouse. At about 25 mph I usually can’t read the signs – especially with heavy traffic. So I assumed it was more Occupy and I was surprised that there were conservative looking people joining the usual characters – I thought, “well isn’t it nice that people are coming together on this issue”.

  74. Anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    It was a hoot watching Pierre Carbonneau, well-known local tile installer, yelling the standard right-wing epithets at Dave Meserve to “get a job”! Two pony-tailed comrades with everything in common when it comes to the Occupy movement, arguing over complete BS. Not so different from the brothers who fought against each other in the Civil War.

    And just a few blocks away, next to the majestic Eureka Inn, sits Eureka’s worst blight, festering for over a decade and counting!.

    Where’s all the bitterness targeting an absentee owner who’s never seen lifting a finger to clean up his own mess??

    Ahhh, the privileges of belonging to the right club…

    How ugly must the corrupt, double standards become before Eureka begins electing leadership over lap-dogs?

  75. Jethro Bodeen
    February 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    That courthouse thing is some kind of wierd Mardi Gras alright
    . Don’t the police eventually just hose’m all down and call it over?? I’ve got a bid in with the county to hi pressure wash the front steps area when they all leave.

  76. walt
    February 4, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Rather than doing a pissing match in a bathtub, what would happen if some people were to THINK about Mitch’s suggest at 8:47. His was a RARE attempt to come up with a solution that isn’t meaningless or a dead end. For those of you not somewhere to the right of Atilla T. Hun, it’s time to think OUTSIDE the box, like Mitch is doing, or risk being left on the scrapheap of history (or locked up at Gitmo for life). Other than through the corrupt Dem and Rep parties, how would such a committee be started?

  77. Mitch
    February 4, 2012 at 3:16 pm


    One suggestion: Publicize a work day for some non-partisan project — recording for the blind, repainting a shelter, digging ditches for America, whatever. Make it clear that there will be no “visualizing,” no speeches, only grunt work. Charge $20 to attend. See if you like anyone who comes. Repeat.

  78. walt
    February 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “…digging ditches for America.” Like a new Panama Canal, or a new Grand Canyon? And no visualizing whirled peas? How about clearing RR tracks/trails? There’s the Jefferson School, or maybe the Trinidad Liberry?

  79. Anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    Nothing wrong there, but good intentions never delivered any of America’s major social, economic, or environmental advances.

    People have to get educated and angry, but according to the media, everything’s great.

    The Dow Jones megaphone has been stable through some of American family’s greatest losses since the Great Depression.

  80. walt
    February 5, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Assuming anyone is still reading this: OK, we have volunteers working on trains and boats and community centers and libraries and food for the homeless and reading for the blind, all of which are great things. One thing we don’t have (we used to, but it’s going away) is free schools. What if we set up a school (say during summer off-school months) which specifically taught kids how to build things, how to fix things, how to grow things, and how to feed themselves and keep themselves healthy and out of debt? Classes would be taught by farmers, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, accountants and chefs. They have a program like this for retired people (OLLI), but what about for kids?

  81. Mitch
    February 5, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Intriguing idea.

    What about an after-school program (at least for starters) right at a supportive public school? That could help your volunteers climb their own learning curves. Then perhaps one Saturday morning a month, at a central location? If that were successful, I’d bet you’d have a lot of enthusiasm for a summer program.

    A single person could start something like this at a supportive school by volunteering to tutor/mentor kids once a week on something they know how to do. They could do that while reaching out to other potential volunteers. I think people are more likely to assist once something is actually happening.

    Don’t be discouraged if the schools have liability concerns — just keep looking until you find a principal or superintendent willing to work with you to resolve them.

  82. janelle
    February 5, 2012 at 10:02 am

    From a think global, act local perspective these ideas are great. They do not, however, address the larger problems of the concentration of wealth and power, people facing foreclosure/unemployment/unplayable medical bills, the sense that money not votes elect and control our elected leaders, that more and more restrictions are being put on our rights that the people added to the Constitution and said should be unabridged (reduced or lessened)…

    I do not mean to imply that what you are suggesting you should not do, I only ask that in making your choice you not imply my choice is wrong.

  83. Harold Knight
    February 5, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    It is a wonderful idea that could even motivate our elders out of their internments to revive their useful memories on fundamental skills, activities, and relationships to each other.

    Relationships that made our communities self-sufficient, not long ago.

    Working in this direction completely undermines today’s concentration of power and wealth.

    Affordable in-fill housing, local power generation, manufacturing incubators and industrial parks….and the extracurricular education model described by Walt, would provide a smart national leader the vision in which to invest the nation’s public wealth. As opposed to perpetual wars, corporate bailouts and corporate subsidies.

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