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Face Lift

The old Old Town Bar & Grill gets pressure washed during a sunny afternoon last week.  Work on the building continues after the January 2010 earthquake almost landed it a date with the wrecking ball.

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  1. 69er
    February 10, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Not too mant things make me happier than seeing these older buildings restored to a useful purpose and a new beginning.

  2. McKinleyvillan
    February 10, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Eureka needs to do a lot more of this–there are too many cool old buildings sitting empty (not to mention vacant lots) that could be put to good use. That should be a priority, before building new developments on the outskirts of town.

  3. 69er
    February 10, 2012 at 10:59 am

    McK has it’s own problems, Eureka has done a pretty good job of reahbilitation and there needs to be some further aamenities in the outlying areas to make it all come together. Progression is being made slowly but surely regardless of the nay sayers.

  4. What Now
    February 10, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Poor Bobby Figas…he was all set to demolish it and erect a parking lot.

  5. common cents
    February 10, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Lets see the Vance, the professional building, The Haley building…. Thank you Kramer Prop. for saving these buildings from the wrecking ball.

  6. High Finance
    February 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    But Kramer Prop. is a corporation !!

    And it is owned by a Republican !!

  7. February 10, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Yet more reason to celebrate, HiFi.

  8. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Pressure washing can ruin old bricks. If you don’t believe and anonymous commenter, check with the National Trust for Historic Preservation and the Old House Journal.

  9. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    There are different levels of pressure washing. Some is only slightly higher pressure than rain.

  10. Jung
    February 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    No way. A 1%er did something positive for his community? Bah!

  11. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 7:17 pm
  12. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    I don’t understand the appeal, rough bricks are great, coulda spent the time and money sprucing up the place in so many other ways. Not that this is any kind of deal whatsoever, just sayin…old brick buildings look cool and old bricks are a pretty big part of the reason. DAMMIT WHATA @#$! WASTE WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!?!

  13. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    I’m Anonymous 4:40 pm.

    Sadly, most people who pressure-wash old brick buildings don’t understand a couple of things, so they do use high pressure settings.

    The bricks lose their fire-hardened outer surface, so the brick becomes more porous. Brick then absorb more water from rain. Power washing helps start a process of erosion. Better to avoid it or minimize it.

    The main thing is, research the hell out of it before you power wash a brick building.

    And if the people doing the restoration work have already done their research, I will be happy.

    What about it? Does anyone know how carefully they are power-washing the old bricks?

  14. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Who knows, 739, why don’t you go ask…or just bitch about it on an anonymous blog.

  15. February 10, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Hey, 739, my bet is they’re doing it right, but I’m sure they’d be more than happy to talk to you about it. I was in the building for a tour a few days ago. It’s going to be beautiful. Expensive to rent, but beautiful.

  16. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Say there, Anonymous 824, I dislike your tone so much, I’m gonna borrow a phrase and say GFY.

  17. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Kurt did a fabulous job researching and implementing the restoration of the old theater that is now that Arkley Center for Performing Arts. He won’t make money for a long time on the current project but he will be very satisfied. Arkley can’t run the theater much these days until his finances improve, as it is not a money maker, but a drain, so it mostly just being maintained while having fewer shows than they would like until later. Some of these projects are truly gifts to the community, as someone has to take a big risk to do it. Even though those who do hope to have financial gain from it eventually, often there is little to compensate these projects except for community support and the satisfaction of saving a great old structure that was important to the community. To be honest, it is usually someone who is often criticized for their membership in what people call the 1%. Who else has the money to take these risks? Thanks, Kurt, for taking this on.

  18. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Any redevelopment go to either the Arkley theater or the OTB&G, not saying it is a bad thing, just asking?

  19. 69er
    February 11, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Anon 7:55 expresses my sentiments in a very precise manner and I fully agree with him/her.

  20. Anon2
    February 11, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Don’t know about OTB&G but the Professional Building used funds and I believe Arkley spent his own money on the theater.

  21. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Redevelopment funds, grants, special loans from various sources are usually part of these historical projects, but also considerable risk and personal financial backing go into them as well. They are outrageously expensive, have hidden costs and situations that pop up, and tie up a crew that could be doing something quick and lucrative. This sort of work is not for every business. Thank goodness there are some who will take on the challenge.

    There are also many local persons (little guys!) who are willing to upgrade and restore historical structures that are small. Many do this entirely using their own finances without any outside funding. You can thank those people who care about the historical significance and the neighborhood improvement and try to provide housing or business locations to benefit the community.

  22. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    and I feel it is important to mention that a building like the Arkley Center for Performing Arts is very expensive to maintain. Those monies to maintain come from the person who owns them and the business functions the building was created to perform. If the business is not as profitable as the building is expensive, maintenance becomes a gift to the community.

  23. HawHaw Shaw
    February 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    Hey poster @ 2:44 you are posting unadulterated bullshit.

    If the Sweasey Theatre is too expensive for the great man to maintain he can just gift it back to the city who gifted it to him.

    We’ll take our $6,000,000 back anytime. Right Dave?

  24. High Finance
    February 11, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    2.44pm is right. Eureka is damn lucky that Arkley is civic minded and the Arkley Center has helped improve all of downtown.

    I honestly don’t understand nasty little people like HawHaw who snipe from the shadows.

  25. HawHaw Shaw
    February 11, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Oh really? How much did the taxpayers pay for the Daly Building before the Tyson gang gifted it to Arkley? I know but I will wait for your answer, dumbass.

  26. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    HawHaw,

    Thanks for the laughs, but the building wasn’t “gifted” to the Arkleys, they purchased it, “dumbass”.

    Six MILLION dollars? Lmfao, HawHaw, gack what a dumbass you are. HSU owned the building, with a seven HUNDRED thousand dollar loan from the Eureka Redevelopment Agency – interest free, and Arkley’s bought it and turned it into the god foresaken eyesore that it is today.

    Oh, how poor HawHaw longs for the days when it sat empty in its moldey decrepit splendor, just counting the days before it met the wrecking ball.

    Yes, it’s simply a crime that redevlopment worked the way it’s supposed to and a formerly blighted property has been restored to something we can all be proud of, casting politics aside for once…

    Hopefully HawHaw won’t be posting here for a bit, as I think he should be down at the police department right this very moment, asking, nay, demanding that charges be brought against these vile people who force Eurekans and other county residents to part with their hard earned dollars paying for musical acts to perfom at the Arkley Center, when dammit, if that fracken building hadn’t been fixed, we could just all bitch at each other on the blogs.

    Dumbass is right. Wear it, HawHaw; we’re all HawHaw’n attcha, bigguy.

  27. Haw Haw Shaw
    February 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    HSU foundation “purchased” it for a $700,000 interest free loan from Eureka Redevelopment Agency. Who did HSU “purchase” it from?

  28. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    No shit, sherlock..errr haw haw. Your point? God what an eyesore the arkleys have created; good thing we’ve got watchdawgs like HawHaw lookin after us.

    Tell me about that six million again, dumbass.

  29. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Give it to the city? They can’t afford to keep it maintained. That place sucks dollars and running a bigtime, expensive show puts them even more in the hole. They don’t charge enough to cover the fees the big entertainers charge but the ACPA is nice enough to sell tickets at a lower rate to make sure the public will come. You don’t know what a gift it was, Hee Haw. I am not even a fan of all these people but telling tales like you do shows how out of touch you are with reality. You don’t have to like someone to be thankful they stepped in and will foot the bill to save our old structures. Now, go back to your meth or whatever it is you’re smokin’.

  30. Haw Haw Shaw
    February 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    You are not answering any questions yet. Who did the HSU Foundation “purchase” the Daly building from? Did they purchase it from the Daly family? The Redevelopment Agency? The banks? Strombeck?

    How much did Arkley pay for it? How much did the taxpayers get hosed on the deal?

    When the truth comes out about the Arkley center the taxpayers will be pissed.

  31. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    I don’t remember, but when it all happened it made a lot of sense and I was very satisfied with it. Look it up if you care. It’s water under my bridge. If I hated it, I would have had a different opinion. There was transparency at the time and now we have a building redone and usable for public events. Why the obsession? Solve these things as they come up, not years later.

  32. Haw Haw Shaw
    February 11, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Yes your memory is fuzzy.

    No transparency at the time. HSU Foundation and Tyson insisted on the anonymity of the buyer. Arkley’s bid was the third highest bid. Was Cherie on the council then?

  33. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Who knows. You’re beating a dead horse. Night night.

  34. Anonymous
    February 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Anonymous 9:10 was just pointing out what most of us already know, that redevelopment, cdbg, etc etc is doled out to a select crew of developers and property owners. The bidding process is a sham. The projects may “suit the bill” but other projects that also fit are not considered because the right property owners and developers are not assured to benefit directly. That money has been historically set aside for the select few. And from the looks of our current council, and the candidates for supervisor those things aren’t likely to change. It is THIS type of corruption and rampid spending that has ultimately driven this whole COUNTRY to the state it is in. Hey I know, lets give these wonderful philanthropists tax relief too.

  35. walt
    February 12, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I know everyone prefers pissing matches (GFY! No, GFY!), but Judy Hodgson wrote this about nine years ago:

    “Humboldt State University officials are expected to announce later this week that they have agreed to sell the property to businessman/philanthropist Arkley and his wife, a former Eureka City Council member who was narrowly defeated in her bid for mayor in November. The sale price is $315,000 — $135,000 less than the $450,000 outstanding balance, according to sources.

    “It’ll be a fast escrow. We are expected to close in a day or two,” Rob Arkley said in a telephone interview Tuesday. Two of the three buildings will be resold for an undisclosed amount to developer Steve Strombeck to house the new Redwood Capital Bank. Strombeck, who could not be reached for comment by press time, is also a director of the bank.

    The $315,000 figure was not the highest offer, but was chosen because university officials believe the Arkleys are committed to restoring the historic Sweasey Theater, the third building in the complex.”

    In other NCJ articles, they said HSU paid $515k for it in 1998, (meaning they threw away $200K plus expenses), that the Eka Redev gave an interest-free loan of $700K to HSU, and “The city of Eureka, a third party to the Daly transaction, agreed [in March, 2003] to discount a note it holds on the property by up to $100,000, provided the theater is restored. City officials say having the property back on the tax rolls will more than make up for the lost revenue.”

    We now return to our regular programming.

  36. February 12, 2012 at 9:06 am

    8.11 “HSU foundation “purchased” it for a $700,000 interest free loan from Eureka Redevelopment Agency. Who did HSU “purchase” it from?”

    Who did HSU “purchase it from?
    How much?

  37. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Then how much was forgiven and who wound up ultimately being the recipient? Nice place, OK restoration, appreciated yeah, but the deal is they got the opportunity and the decreased price (via forgiven loan) because of who they are. Agreed, these folks Kramer, RA, Mckin Deben etc have track records, but it is because they are given the opportunity, the track records were subsidized (by us) doled out by the monopoly banker DT. Ultimately, it is not going to end, the monoploly banker is in like a tick, flanked by a council elected by one of the recipients of the monopoly funds.

  38. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    You pro-development folks need to get your story straight. When the topic is your sugar daddies, the area is a vastly improved environment. When the topic is what your sugar daddies want to do to stuff their pockets, the area is a cespool in rapid decline.

    Less is more. Follow the money.

  39. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Enjoying your hatorade? Lmao.

  40. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    care to elaborate, 1:16?

  41. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    hmmm, 5:19, 9:16, 11:20, 9:06, 12:50, 12:54…elaboration enough?

    If there is some smoking gun, please, by all means, tell us. Otherwise, go read Walt’s post.

  42. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I wouldn’t say calling out price gouging is hate, 2pm. “expensive to rent” is all anybody needs to know. Placing bets on how soon a national chain of some sort muscles onto the strip because no locally funded effort can afford it, let alone stay in the black because of it. I predict before the end of 2013 a corpo/franchise will be a marked presence in old town if the big money movers keep squeezing the locals into a corner like they’ve been doing. Anybody wanna bet? I’ll give you ten to one. Anybody?

  43. Red Rose
    February 12, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    The smoking gun is Tyson’s dealings and relationship to Strombeck.

    Tyson bought the parking lot from Strombeck as part of this transaction, paying 200k of city money for it. That implies that the bank owned the paper from the Daly family.

    As a result, Redwood Capital got a nice building for free. Arkley got a nice multimillion dollar building for free.

    Tyson paid Strombeck 200 thousand for that parking lot east of the Daly building and put another 100 k into repaving, landscaping and striping. Strombeck used that money (taxpayer money) to pay off Arkley for the bank portion of the Daly Complex. Arkley used the money (taxpayer money) from Strombeck to pay off HSU.

    Think about it. Tyson spend 200k on a parking lot, then allowed the whole rest of the property (including another parking lot on the west side) to be sold for less than twice that. Does that make any sense?

    Its all there in Walt’s fine post. Read it and weep. We need the State Attorney General to come here and make some indictments.

    The taxpayers and HSU got hosed. It’s time for some perp walks.

  44. walt
    February 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    In fairness to RA and Tyson, the original deal with HSU and ReDev in ’98 was put together by Harvey Rose, not Tyson. With a leaky roof and mold inside, the Seasey Bldg was NOT worth millions.

  45. Anonymous
    February 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Right, DT was finance director.

  46. 713
    February 12, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    The only thing multi-million about that building when Arkley bought it was the estimated repair bill. The building itself was essentially worthless, as in it would be cheaper to demolish and rebuild new than restore.

  47. unimpressed
    February 12, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    So 713 you are saying that the HSU Foundation paid 700k for a worthless property? Ya know the directors of the Foundation have a legal fiduciary duty to spend the Foundations money wisely. Maybe they need a perp walk too, of course if a proper investigation warrants it.

    What happened to the missing almost 200k of HSU funds that was spent for “administration” expenses? This is aching for a real investigation. We need the State Attorney General to investigate the most corrupt small city government in California

  48. 713
    February 12, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    The property had value, not the building, from an economic standpoint. It has great value as a community asset but it took somebody with millions to get it that way. A developer, or anybody who would need to eventually make money or qualify for financing would have leveled it and started fresh. I don’t know why HSU wanted it in the first place, I remember thinking it was stupid back then too. Investigate away.

  49. February 13, 2012 at 8:52 am

    “With a leaky roof and mold inside, the Seasey Bldg was not worth millions.”

    I’m guessing that Mr. Arkley was not jumping for joy over this deal. One may not like his politics, but it looks like he deserves credit here.

  50. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 10:22 am

    The State Attorney General should be called in on many matters that have taken place in this corrupt town. Eureka has a reputation for being a hugely corrupt and backward place. It lives up to it’s reputation and more.

  51. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    HSU wanted it originally so they could expand their capacity for their Center Arts Program. Their plans and funding changed and they were lucky to get out of it.

    People who have a proven track record are often given the opportunity to continue their work, rather than risking giving the project to an unknown. It’s not unfair or corrupt. It’s the way business is done. The unknowns have to work toward getting the big bids by completing smaller projects successfully.

    I like the hater-aid comment. It certainly applies here. Like I said earlier, you don’t have to be a fan of these people to have a realistic and logical attitude about their accomplishments and contributions to the city.

  52. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Don’t forget the ring around the Rosie with Figas and Strombeck and yes the Attorney Generals office should be bringing charges against all of them. But, with all that corporate campaign donations I don’t think anything will be done. Rich people know how to rip you off without going to prison and understand write-off. So everything is an expense and with an inside track on redevelopment funds and how to steal them everything is SEMI-LEGAL.

  53. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Ancient history. Done deal.

  54. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    You think so 8:44 because you are paranoid and a conspiracy theorist. Yes, some of that goes on but the majority of deals are because those people simply have the funds to carry out the project and the rest of us don’t.

  55. unimpressed
    February 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Joel bro I like your cartoons but at some level you have to understand the absurdity of….

    selling a property for 700k and giving out an interest free loan for 700k and then turning around and buying a portion of that property back for 200k cash. The only business deals in the real world that work like that are corrupt ones. Why not just keep the parking lot and finance the rest of the property for 500k. It is a prima facie case of corruption.

    We need the State Attorney General NOW.

  56. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Stay in the fog, have a bad ‘tude and be poor. Get with it, get in the game and see that it isn’t all corrupt like you wish.

  57. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    So have you written to the Attorney General? Or you’re just hoping that she happens to be reading the comment threads on a Humboldt County blog?

  58. unimpressed
    February 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I am almost certain that Attorney General Kamala D. Harris has staff that googles her name each and every day. Therefore I am certain that she will be reading this thread. Whether she might find it of interest who knows, but that is something I do hope for.

  59. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Oh, c’mon. If you have a serious beef you need to write to her about it. Do you really think there was corruption here? If you do, write her. If you just like flapping your gums, you can hope she reads (or has her people) read the blogs. uh huh…

  60. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    She may have staff google her name every day, but I doubt this thread will make it to anywhere near the top of the heap, and will almost certainly not be given even a moment’s attention from her staff.

    Even if the staff somehow noticed this thread, what makes you think they’d bother to show it to her?

    If you want her to receive your message, you’re going to have to actually send her your message.

    Or you could just keep on farting into the wind, while imagining that you’re producing the Hallelujah Chorus.

  61. unimpressed
    February 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I think Attorney General Kamala D. Harris will see this thread and it will interest her because she is honest and intelligent and she no doubt has a competent staff. Maybe she will enjoy the video of Cherie Arkley waving a $30,000 check at our squeeky clean city council. I know, I should get over it, right?

  62. Jon Brooks
    February 13, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I went thru the Daly buildings just before they were sold. They were ‘tear downs’. Bad roof, asbestos, unreinforced masonry, a floor plan that was from bizarro world, and a putrid, dank basement. Stuff was falling off the facade from the old state theater. What has happened since is a very good outcome for the community.

    And I also have been thru the ‘face lift’ building that is the subject of this blog. It was held together by duct tape and bailing wire, a structure bomb waiting for another earthquake. I’m glad someone has the bucks and experience to repair and retain this historic building.

    There may be bad things going on in our community, but these buildings ain’t it.

  63. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Yes, I’m sure Harris and her staff spend their time poring over obscure blog threads hoping to find vague accusations made by anonymous commenters. Good luck with that.

  64. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    OMG, unimpressed, you are almost as hilarious as “HawHaw”.

    Thanks for the laughs; in fact, I think you’re trying to spoof HawHaw , but the whole contacting the AG to press charges is just to ludicrous to be anything but a neato attempt to make fun of the whackaloons like HawHaw.

    Gawd how I long for the days when that building was a teetering wreck of a building instead of the gem that is listed in the National Register of Historical Places.

    BTW, what does SN helping to pay for a ballot measure getting on the ballot, thus sparing the City’s general fund, have to do with the Sweasey Theatre building, which was restored long before the November 2010 election.

    Now, of course the A’s also were “waving” money at the zoo several years ago, paying for extensive renovations – Damn them for spending that money, bettering our community in the process.

  65. Anonymous
    February 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    10 days to get a permit. Status Quo? Where did all the hazardous waste go? Ask Figas to produce the dump tags, From the proper waste management in the Valley. Keep playing the Wacko conspiracy theorist card Dumb Ass. Some things are just fact, weather you’re protecting you sugar daddy or not!

  66. Spin Bob
    February 14, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Nice spin “Jon Brooks” but this is not about restoration.

    It’s about when Tyson handed out an INTEREST FREE $700,000 loan to HSU Foundation, INTO WHOSE POCKET DID THAT MONEY GO?

    Answer me that, “Jon”

  67. Jon Brooks
    February 14, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Naw, I’m just responding to those who think these properties were worth ‘millions’ prior to the renovation.

    I don’t know about the financing aspects. So sorry, can’t shed any light on that.

  68. Me
    February 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    These buildings aren’t worth “millions” now.

  69. DATA
    February 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Of course they are. The Arkley Center is on the tax rolls for $2.5 million. It is worth more than that. The bank building is worth close to a million. The parking lot must be worth a couple hundred thousand.

    No down payment required. Taxpayer financed.

  70. Me
    February 14, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Data,
    The market value of commercial retail buildings is almost exclusively valued on the income they generate. This has nothing to do with assessed value. The bank probably pays real rent but I have a hard time believing the Arkley Center could make a profit at all. It only has a high assessed value because of the huge improvements required to get it where it is today. If you spend a couple of million on improvements to a building, trust me, they will tax you on it. Selling it for that is another matter.

  71. Me
    February 14, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Data,
    My point is that of course these building are worth a few million but only because somebody dumped a few million into them.

  72. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Wonder if The Attorney General would enjoy knowing that the chair of the county Planning Commission was at the same time the CFO of Danco and on the The Eureka Redevelopment Agency all at the same time? Danco the favorite builder and user of Redevelopment funding. Conflict much?

  73. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Make that The Eureka Redevelopment ADVISORY Board.

  74. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Instead of just “wondering,” why don’t you e-mail or call her office and actually pose the question directly?

  75. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Nahhh, 639 would rather just try and smear with innuendo…

    That, and the hope that the AG has her employees surfing anonymous blogs, lmsao.

    DATA says: “No down payment required. Taxpayer financed.”

    Perhaps the purchase was as you say, DATA, but if had any clue at all, you’d see this was a Redevelopment Agency success – exactly using the terms I just quoted – then, the A-Team poured hundreds of thousands of their own dollars refurbishing the building to it original splendor, creating jobs and property tax revenues for the county, schools and city in the process.

    Someone said the Arkleys were the third highest bid – this may very well be true, but I’d wager a pretty penny of HawHaw’s betting that they were the highest RESPONSIBLE bid, that in total, they were the only bidder able to restore the bidder – what if the highest bidder was another HSU, unable to do anything with the building?

    Keep wallowing in your conspiracies, it’s fun to shoot em down.

  76. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Oopsie –

    Someone said the Arkleys were the third highest bid – this may very well be true, but I’d wager a pretty penny of HawHaw’s betting that they were the highest RESPONSIBLE bid, that in total, they were the only bidder able to restore the BUILDING – what if the highest bidder was another HSU, unable to do anything with the building?

  77. Anonymous
    February 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    6:39 was telling the truth no smear with innuendo in that post.

  78. High Finance
    February 15, 2012 at 10:20 am

    How can you back biters argue with the result ?

    The block was turned from a terrible eyesore to a beautiful site. It has brightened up all of downtown.

  79. Fact Checker
    February 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

    High Finance said:
    February 15, 2012 at 10:20 am

    “How can you back biters argue with the result ?

    The block was turned from a terrible eyesore to a beautiful site. It has brightened up all of downtown.”

    That’s it? More name calling? Jeez Hi Fi, have you been to Old Town lately? This building has not yet achieved the status of “a beautiful site” nor has it “brightened up all of downtown”. All of downtown? Really Hi Fi, do you believe everything you think?

  80. Red Rose
    February 15, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Mr. High Finance,

    As was pointed out earlier the restoration is not an issue in this thread. The city could have renovated the Sweasey all by itself and done it just as well as Arkley, and it would still own the property.

    Maybe since you are so knowlegeable you could tell us where the interest free taxpayer’s loan of 700k that HSU “purchased” the Daly complex with went? Who’s pocket did all that taxpayers money go into. That’s only one issue. This is not backbiting it is about felony level corruption.

  81. High Finance
    February 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Factless, I was referring to the Arkley Center & surrounding area.

    Red, can you show any project the city has done that even begins to compare ?

  82. Smart 5th Grader
    February 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    High Finance said:
    February 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “Red, can you show any project the city has done that even begins to compare ?”

    How about Eureka High School? Built in 1925, thousand of Eureka residents have obtained an education which enriched their lives immensely. Unlike the Arkley Center which brings us “Ol’ Blue Eyes” and “Beach Boys” tribute shows. Oh yeah, Robin Junior has really done us all a huge favor. ROTFLMAO

  83. Smart 5th Grader
    February 15, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    thousands

  84. Red Rose
    February 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Are you saying that David Tyson is too stupid and incompetent to renovate a theater at a reasonable cost?

  85. DATA
    February 15, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    “”It will be used as a venue for performing arts, with a stage and wings. It will be a restored theater like the old Paramount Theatre in Oakland,” said Cherie Arkley. Once restored the theater will be donated to a community nonprofit and available for use by all theater, dance and music groups.”

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/041703/news0417.html

  86. Anonymous
    February 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Comparing a public school with a community theater is laughable.

  87. Anonymous
    February 15, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    also, thank goodness the City doesn’t own the theater. It is a money loser and we would all be footing the bill. As it stands, we get to enjoy our old historic theater and the cultural events it provides.

  88. Anonymous
    February 15, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    From DATA:

    ““”It will be used as a venue for performing arts, with a stage and wings.”

    It is.

    “It will be a restored theater like the old Paramount Theatre in Oakland”

    Done.

    “Once restored the theater will be donated to a community nonprofit”

    Don’t know the ownership structure – But non profits can use the center for fund raisers.

  89. Anonymous
    February 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    Smart 5th grader is not quite at a C average at this point.

    Don’t like the acts that are booked, don’t go, but the shows, like last year’s Beatles tribute was sold out – and a good time was had by all.

    If that’s not your cup of tea, watch the symphony or the ballet.

    Eureka High School? Great school, but hardly unique; last time I checked, Fortuna, Arcata, Macktown, etc, all had High Schools.

    Red Rose says:

    February 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    “Are you saying that David Tyson is too stupid and incompetent to renovate a theater at a reasonable cost?”

    Obviously Tyson’s a smart cookie, as the theatre WAS renovated, at a reasonable cost to the City.

    An initial interest free loan to HSU that’s been bitched about here…was that IT???? Was that the City’s cost? Red Rose, please, tell us all about the “felony level corruption”. Be specific, please. All you’ve done is mention an interest free loan, something that is not unusual at all with Redevelopment projects.

  90. Anonymous
    February 16, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The 700 thousand went to the owners, I believe. The Daly family.

    This is all so “yesterday”.

  91. Smart 5th Grader
    February 17, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Anonymous said:
    February 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    “Comparing a public school with a community theater is laughable.”

    I agree, no comparison. Schools can be neglected for decades. Theaters get redevelopment money, private sector money, and the gentrified segment of Eureka has a place to remember how it was in the imaginary good ol’ days.

  92. the Future
    February 17, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Some of you have a well deserved perp walk in your future when Attorney General Kamala Devi Harris comes to this corrupt little town. Keep that smile on your face it looks good in a mug shot.

  93. Anonymous
    February 17, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    the Future is hilarious. Are we on Candid Camera? No, really?

  94. Anonymous
    February 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    “Smart” is not. Privately owned buildings have little to do with publicly owned. Quit yer complaining about the rich versus YOU. If people have the cash to fix up a place it is APPLES. If the school doesn’t have money to fix up their schools, it is ORANGES. Sad that our schools don’t have enough money but at least the guy who provided the apples for the theater gave some 200 thousand plus to our local public schools.

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