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PETITION: Keep Walmart out of Humboldt

Sign here. The modest goal of 300 signatures is nearly met.

  1. February 21, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Isn’t this a little late. So you (who ever you are) want the residents of Humboldt County to continue to drive to Crescent City, Redding or where ever to spend our cash. Do you want us not shop at Home Depot, Lowes and any other store that YOU don’t want here.
    So why not try to ban the internet so we cannot shop on it.

    Just get real.

  2. 69er
    February 21, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Seems to be a dumb ass move now, would have considered it a few months ago. Must be a real dim wit to try this at this late date.

  3. February 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    I hope those signing read the petition and realize some false statements, widening 101 for Walmart trucks? They already come through, and, I understood it was being done for other larger trucks for ranchers and individual construction companies.

    I heard rumors that Target was going to grow to be a “Super Target” is there something different between Target and Walmart goods from China?

    How many other businesses and industries are people against?

  4. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Oh good, we can know who these idiots are.

  5. February 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    I just looked at the petition and the “so called” signers. What do people from other STATES care what goes on in Humboldt County. What is with the signers that only have a “first” name? Several of the signers are in other parts of California also.

    Target: I have a relative that has worked for Target for a number of years, they are remodeling most of their stores putting in more food and fresh items. They have had packaged food for years.

  6. February 21, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    What half wit moron would start a petition like this weeks before they open. It’s to late. Plus you can’t tell the owners of a failing Mall who they can rent to and who they can’t. Walmart is about the only chance Bayshore Mall has of closing all their doors. The company that owns it is in Bankruptcy. Entering into the mall is like walking into a Ghost town. Humboldt is not supporting it. Walmart drawing people to the mall is the best thing to happen to Bayshore Mall in a long time.

    They are looking for a whole 300 people will shouldn’t be hard to find another 300 half wits that would sign any petition. How about the 300 people who sign the petition a few weeks before they open move somewhere else. Humboldt County doesn’t need or want you! Now there’s a petition that might actually work!

  7. February 21, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    @Rich, The company has changed that now owns the Bayshore Mall, I believe its name is Rouse Properties. Here’s the link to the story: http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_20003550

    In order to get a different variety of stores seen in other postings, they need more traffic, Walmart might bring this.

    @Julie, Thanks for sharing the info on Target. I shop there for food if I see things on sale.

  8. just middle class
    February 21, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    So the petition will do??? Waste of time and just stupid, but what do you expect from MoveOn.org!

  9. February 21, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    @Charles It’s overall the same company. “General Growth Properties — the second-largest mall owner in the United States with more than 130 properties — announced last fall that it would “spin off” 30 of its malls under the ownership of a new stand-alone company, Rouse Properties. Because General Growth Properties is publicly owned, it compensated shareholders by giving them one share of Rouse Properties stock for every 33 shares of General Growth stock they held.”

    It spun off it’s 30 unprofitable malls in order to come out of Bankruptcy knowing that those 30 and Rouse Properties will more likely then not go quickly back into Bankruptcy but saving General Growth Properties from bleeding anymore Red.

    Wow, imagine that the truly ignorant Larry Glass just signed it, the person responsible for closing down Flea Market by the Bay and so many other local businesses. No wonder since he will have to sell his cd’s and other products for the same price everyone else sells them for and stop cheating Humboldt residents.

  10. humboldturtle
    February 21, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Go Fish, you ‘necks.

    The people of Eureka voted to keep Wal-Mart out and you know it.

  11. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    We voted to not change zoning for walmart at the Balloon track.

  12. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    No voting required for this project.

  13. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Hey, julie dumbar, next time you spend 3 hours of your life driving to crescent city for some future garbage that you could have just as easily bought around here, do the rest of us a favor and stay there. Holy stupid, some of you are.

  14. February 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Hey Anonymous it’s pretty easy to make fun of other people when you don’t have the guts to post your real name and picture isn’t it? Your comments don’t count since you could be a 9 year old kid not just a Anonymous poster who talks like a 9 year old kid. Hundreds of us travel to Crescent City not just to shop at Walmart and Home Depot but to visit friends, a change of scenery, a nice drive, visit their antique stores and other activity.

    The only holy stupid are the 9 year old kids that post as Anonymous!

  15. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Must be striking the right chord, to suddenly have so many anonymous internet entities wet their pants over a simple petition. Not like anybody’s got $30,000 cash lying around to actually jumpstart an even more expensive ad campaign. Facts are facts, the people of Humboldt said NO to walmart and our voice has been silenced again. Anytime is the right time to bring it up, especially now.

  16. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Hey Rich Morris, GFY in a walmart bathroom. I’ll take what you say seriously next time I see you talk to somebody like Larry Glass face to face with the type of accusations you made above, hypocrite coward. Damn straight I’d say this to your face, too. Thanks for letting the world know you’re a Walmarter.

  17. February 21, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Hey Anonymous, you don’t remember me? I did talk to you Mr. Glass when you shut down Flea Market by the Bay where I was a long time seller and you took my living away from me, now you remember jerk!

    I am a Walmarter, yes sir Larry. Worked for them for years before moving to the North Coast. Support them online and at their stores in Crescent City and Redding. Don’t think I would buy one of your overpriced CD’s here do you?

    Facts are facts Larry, the people of Humboldt never voted not to allow Walmart in the area. They voted to not allow the rezoning. That’s why you were to stupid to be reelected to the City Council a second term.

    Facts are facts and Walmart is still seeking to build a full size Super Center at the former Palco site in Fortuna. That project is still moving along. Better not think about opening a overpriced location there Larry!

  18. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    When our local businesses start selling products at competitive prices, and when I say competitive I mean I don’t want to be able to buy it online and pay the shipping and still get it for less. Most local businesses are highly overpriced and the employees are underpaid. I wonder how all of these homeless people and the large population of below poverty workers afford to shop locally. Most of them wait for a trip out of the area and shop then. But the homeless where do they get cheap and affordable products? Without Kmart, Target, WalMart and a few other places like the Canned Food Store and WinCo, none of which are local, low income families would go without. You who talk about keeping it local, shouldn’t the local businesses think more about supporting the community that they want support from rather than how much they can make off of them?

  19. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    “Hey Anonymous it’s pretty easy to make fun of other people when you don’t have the guts to post your real name and picture isn’t it?”

    I admire your willingness to post your real name, but did you really have to post your picture? Yikes!

  20. February 21, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I didn’t post my picture it’s a gravatar that automatically posts on all Word Press Blogs when you have your own successful blog on WordPress. You sure are stupid Larry Glass. You couldn’t post your picture because it’s so ugly they don’t make a camera that doesn’t break when it clicks! Keep selling those overpriced CD’s. Even the Mall stores with higher rent sell them cheaper.

    Funny but the half wit that started this petition doesn’t even live in Humboldt County. A good 25% of the signers don’t live here either and the ones that didn’t even list a last name won’t count. In fact it’s the first petition I ever saw circulated locally that didn’t require Registered Voters which means a 5 year old kid could be signing it or even the dog. What a Joke!

  21. Fortier
    February 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Hey “Rich Morris” great picture! How about a link to your successful blog so that we ourselves can discern the level of your intellect?

  22. I'm with Stupid
    February 21, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    After filling up your rig for that trip to the Crescent City or Redding Home Depot, your big box paycheck probably won’t buy ya much more than some scraps of wood to use as parking chokes for your trailer home.

    Next time, try Shafer’s, Schmidbauer, Myrtletown Lumber, Hensel’s, or gasp, even Pierson’s. Betcha’ they’ll all give ya some scraps for free.

  23. Joseph
    February 21, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    A little history lesson to balance out the above histrionics. The citizens of Eureka voted over a decade ago to keep Walmart out. In fact, they are famous for it, the only community to actually resist the most evil business in the country. (Singer Michelle Shocked wrote a song about us.)

    Why do I say evil? Because by paying substandard wages, and not offering any form of health insurance, they force their workers to use the local hospitals’ ERs for care — which in turn means WE are paying for their social irresponsibility, since hospitals can’t refuse patients, so they must build in higher costs to everyone else. Get it?

    Why else is Walmart evil? Well, without exception, towns that get a Walmart drive out small local businesses. This is not a secret; it’s documented all over the web: Small stores close and their employees lose jobs. Every time.

    Then in order to build his own megastore complex on the Balloon Track, Robin Arkley (who owes the government millions in unpaid taxes) started throwing money around, and by golly, after two failed attempts, he finally bought himself 4/5 of the Eureka City Council, all “free market capitalists” who probably don’t really want to kill off local business and send the money out of the area, but they are willing to take cash from those who fund their campaigns, and guess who has cash? Just say, “It’s not up to us.” Slimy. Because it was up to them to at least acknowledge violation of a law, even if they disagreed with it.

    Welcome to Arkleyville.

    Now Walmart moved surreptitiously to lease the property. Why the secrecy? Because if it were known, there would have been a much larger, more effective protest, and possibly civic-minded citizens (and face it, if you help destroy our retail community you are NOT civic-minded) might have gone to the City Council and raised bloody hell. And some council members might have actually had to risk voter resentment. Now they don’t have to worry. It’s a done deal.

    So if there were any doubt, the vast secrecy is a clear indication that Walmart knew there would be a messy protest, which would bring up all the evil stuff they are famous for. Like the class-action lawsuit that established that they discriminate against their female employees.

    So why the petition? Simply this: it refuses to let a powerful corporation do whatever it wants without being called out. It’s symbolic, folks. It won’t stop them now. But at least it is something good citizens can do to call attention to this sneaky maneuver violating a law passed in 1999.

    But that’s just history. Don’t let a conscience bother you. Shop to your heart’s content.

    Joseph Byrd

  24. A-nony-mouse
    February 21, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    WalMart sells cheaper goods and that’s just what they are. WalMart leans on its suppliers for cheaper stuff so the suppliers make cheaper stuff, shoddier, lower quality, less durable. You get what you pay for. In WalMart’s case, it couldn’t be truer. Cheap is cheap, in every sense of the word.
    And Rich Morris, get a life.

  25. February 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Anonymous says:
    February 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm
    Hey, julie dumbar, next time you spend 3 hours of your life driving to crescent city for some future garbage that you could have just as easily bought around here, do the rest of us a favor and stay there. Holy stupid, some of you are.

    Dear Anonymous: I am so happy to have received your comprehensive and intelligent response. Misspelling my name is classic. We do not drive to Crescent City just to go shopping, we go to spend time in a very beautiful area. Shopping is just one of the benefits from going. When you grow up, get a drivers license, learn to read and write, you may want to do the same..

  26. I'm with Stupid
    February 21, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Julie, going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing the misspelled name was intentional

  27. February 21, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    I told Robin I wanted to support the cause and she said if I ended up with a picket sign in front, she would take it from me and whack me in the head and stomp over my body. We have had many dicussions about Wal Mart and let me quote, “It is not a place for people to earn money, but to spend money.”

    “And how many locals buy from the internet and avoid tax. I buy Zappos shoes in Fortuna at Strehls when I could save on the net.”

    Robin says she has tried to shop local businesses when she can, but many close by 6pm on weekdays and are not open on sundays. Weekdays are when she is busy earning dollars to spend locally.
    When Robin was a Cosmotologst, she had to adjust to her hours of work to her customers.

    Robin also wants to rant, “Where was the outcry when Safeway opened a pharmacy where a local pharmacy went out of business? Where was the outcry when Les Swchab came to town? Apple Bees and Marie Calanders? Target, do you really think they pay more than Wal Mart? And how many flock to Star Bucks! Do they go to Round Table, Papa Murphys & Dominos instead of Angelos, Babes, Petes or Big Louies?”

    “So, I try to go local when I can. My fair amount more than can justify a stop at Wal Mart occasionally!”

    So there you go.

  28. February 21, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Joseph I was here and we did not vote to keep Walmart out. We vote to rezone the parcel so Walmart could build a store there. There may have been a song written but people will write a song up here about anything like pooping and peeing on the bank but we voted for rezoning the property.

    The local business pay the same substandard wages Walmart does and very few offer health insurance. So do Kmart and Target who sell the same crappy merchandise only Walmart sells it for less, your point?

    I guess the same not civic minded people in your eyes that have supported Kmart since the 20’s when it was Kress and the ones that support the Bayshore Mall, Costco, Grocery Outlet, Walgreen’s, CVS, RiteAid, Dollar Tree and the other 95% non local stores will support Walmart. That makes up 98% of the population of Humboldt County so I guess in your eyes only 2% are civic minded.

    A-nony-mouse I have a life. Apparently you don’t since like Joseph and most of the people with no opinion on here your afraid to leave a real full name because your friends and neighbors will know just how stupid you are. Might as well have no life when you can’t publicly comment on a blog.

  29. Scott
    February 21, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Wow Rich Morris is a jerk. If you want walmart move to Redding or some other shithole that already has one. I guess Eureka will turn into any other town in California. Ever drive down the 101 or I-5? All the towns look alike with their strip malls and big boxes. Poor Humboldt. We’re not allowed to be different.

  30. tra
    February 21, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “Joseph I was here and we did not vote to keep Walmart out. We vote to rezone the parcel so Walmart could build a store there.”

    Maybe you didn’t vote to keep Walmart out, and maybe you voted in favor of the zoning change to allow WalMart in, but the fact of the matter is, a large majority of Eureka voters voted the other way. If not, then why didn’t they build the store back then?

    Are you perhaps confusing the WalMart vote with the more recent “Marina Center” vote?

  31. February 21, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Thanks Scott, I mean Willie Glass! I drove through Eureka on 101 many times. Ever see Kmart, Target, the strip malls? Yeah your right we do look a lot like the other towns in California. But you won’t see Walmart since it’s on the backside of the desolate Bayshore Mall. I don’t have to move in a few weeks Eureka will have one and there’s nothing you, your dad or anyone else against growth in Eureka can do about it!

  32. February 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Tra, At the time I voted to not allow the rezoning which as you know the majority did to. I wasn’t against having Walmart here but I was against Walmart building on that parcel like the rest of the people that voted. They didn’t build the store because the rezoning measure failed stupid. They were still free to build a store anywhere else in Humboldt County and eventually they will in Fortuna. If Target hadn’t bought all the closed Montgomery Ward properties when they forced themselves on the citizens of Eureka, Walmart could have bought the property and done the same thing because it was already zoned for Retail!

  33. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    Just to clear a few things up…

    A local businessman, Carrington, owns the building that is being leased to Walmart. General Growth does NOT own the old Gottschalks. Carrington negotiated the lease with Walmart to move into his property which was ALREADY zoned for retail. There is no way to “stop” the Walmart. They came in legally and were ushered in by one of our own “local” businessmen. Not Arkley!!!I

    I have stated this over and over and over again but yet, Carrington never gets the blame, only Arkley! What gives?? Is Carrington one of Heraldo’s buddies?

    Carrington brought Walmart to Eureka. He snuck them in the back door while all you idiots were busy bashing Arkley’s Marina project.

    Good job.

  34. tra
    February 21, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Well, at 8:30 you wrote “We vote to rezone the parcel so Walmart could build a store there,” so that’s what I was basing my comment on. Now you’re saying you voted against that rezoning. O.K., fine.

    Anyway, as far as I can tell, WalMart is coming, whether most people like it or not. Now the question is whether enough people will choose to shop there to make it profitable for them to stay — or how long they will be willing to lose money on this location in hopes of driving some of their competitors out of business so that they can then jack their prices up later (when consumers no longer have much in the way of other choices).

  35. Anonymous
    February 21, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    It truly is the Dawn of a new day.

    I say we have a boycott of walmart. Hey, we can call it a WalCott!! Not!

    Snarkity dooby doo.

    Why is it that the same people who say that we voted walmart down in 99 (well, actually just the zoning change) refuse to acknoweldge that voters went ahead and voted to change the zoning for the Marina Center?

  36. February 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    I didn’t realize that Francis Carrington owned the Gottschalks building. I know Francis owns a Property Management Company in Eureka that specializes in Managing Commercial Buildings and when Gottschalks was in business he was listed as the Property Manager. If he bought the building it must have been after Gottschalks went out of business and he bought it from General Growth who owns the Mall and all the property that the Mall rests on. It doesn’t make sense to own a building without owning the property. There are no Commercial Real Estate sales listed in Eureka since The Mall was built showing a sale of that one area of the Mall.

  37. Black-Flag
    February 22, 2012 at 1:47 am

    Bring on the tsunami and put an end to all this nonsense…..

    only a tsunami can help the area clean up it’s act. I pray for one everyday.

  38. Just Watchin
    February 22, 2012 at 5:20 am

    WalMart’s biggest hurdle to clear will probably be finding enough people to staff the store that can pass the drug test.

  39. Ponder z
    February 22, 2012 at 6:08 am

    Why do you assclowns keep bitching about WM? What a waste of your life, even if only a few minutes. I dont like WM, so I dont shop there. If you do, and dont realize how cheep the crape is, you deserve it.

    There are not many LOCAL stores anymore, and the ones that are locally owned sell stuff made in China anyway. The question is how much you want to pay. Compare Perisons to Myrtletown Lumber. Not much difference, anymore.

  40. 713
    February 22, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Walmart will lower the prices. Everybody will not go out of business. The poor will be able to afford more and better food. Look it up.

  41. Corpus Crispy
    February 22, 2012 at 7:42 am

    “Snarkity dooby doo.”
    Such rhetorical éclat. Anonymous must be so proud.

    And Ponder Z, people come to blogs but to bitch. Your bitching about the bitching is like the anonymous commenters who bitch about the anonymity of others, and the sedentary whiners who tell people to go outside and “experience reality.”

  42. S. Truck Dumm
    February 22, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Hilarious seeing all the usual suspects arguing in favor of a Wal Mart because it will be “good for the poor.” Won’t that draw more “poor” people to Eureka? Isn’t that the Betty Chinn theory?

  43. just middle class
    February 22, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Every market has a range of chjoices and we just added another for the value shopper. We have a 125,000 person market with the center being Eureka which has choices for the value shopper. WalMart is just another choice, abiet hyped. It will not have a major impact on most businesses who have already learned how to compete with the big box and the value shopper market will have another player and divide the pie in that sector further. If another competitor is weak, it will close, which is the nature of that sector. Target is already working to compete by converting to a Super Target, including food sales. My guess is that Kmart will probably be the looser as may be Sears (the same company as Kmart) I do not see how they can keep both Kmart and Sears open in Eureka.
    The discussion about the Walmart election is odd, it was a vote to rezone the land, not to keep Walmart out, but it is all in the same. For those who were part of that, and I was, there were big players working on the election including Neely, Kerrington, etc. and they had good funding, a lot from Pierson who did not want Walmart because it was seen as a foot in the door for Home Depot, the real battle at the time. We all remember when Neely had a standing item on the Board agenda on Big Boxes, we all called it the Pierson item. Now that Pierson’s control has faded, it is a new world out there of opportunity, which is good or bad based on your view of the world.
    So this thread is odd since the decision is made and you have the personal choice to shop at Walmart or not, but many will and it will be a part of Eureka for a long time and all the petitions, blog comments, and hype will not change that.

  44. Fortier
    February 22, 2012 at 8:09 am

    “Just Watchin” is a paid blog whore who doesn’t live here. Ignore him.

  45. Just Watchin
    February 22, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Fortier…..Do bloggers actually get paid? I need to look into that. In the meantime, go out to your mailbox and wait for your welfare check.

  46. Fortier
    February 22, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “Just Watchin” you are sitting at a computer in a cubicle in Bentonville right now. You get paid about twice as much as a WalMart greeter and for that you are so grateful you would kiss a Walton’s sweet ass and say “Thank you Ma’am” because there really isn’t much else you are qualified for, is there?

  47. RefFan
    February 22, 2012 at 9:53 am

    My Grandmother, who is 90 this year, works at a Walmart in Texas and my family has been waiting a long time for one to come to HumCo so she will transfer and move here. Thank goodness it happened before she croaked!!

  48. Just Watchin
    February 22, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Not even close Fortier. I’m retired and living in Florida. Just a former 1%er.

  49. Anonymous
    February 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “When you grow up, get a drivers license, learn to read and write, you may want to do the same.”

    When you get old and die, future generations will look back at people who think like you and recognize you as part of today’s problem.

  50. too little too late
    February 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Hasn’t WalMart already entered into a lease agreement?

    How will petitioning Gov. Brown change the situation? I don’t like WalMart and won’t be shopping there. If I thought this petition would keep WalMart out I’d sign. Alas, it is no more than another futile act, like voting for Green Party candidates. I wish the lefties in Humboldt were less of a club of sheep and better at being effective.

  51. SmokeMonster
    February 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Grants pass has a wal mart (and around 8 Dutch bros) the rest of the town doesn’t look like it is suffering to bad either

  52. SmokeMonster
    February 22, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Mr.Rich Morris- how did Larry glass out you out of business?
    Stuff n things started at the flea market by the bay and moved on to a real retail space as did little Japan so which business did you run? Maybe it was the wares you carried and the “business” you chose to invest in that put yourself out of business more than Mr.Glass

  53. February 22, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Anybody with an IQ above 3 knows that Walmart won’t be sending trucks up 101. And Walmart has enough buying power to be able to afford custom trucks to serve the area.

    It’s funny that you all complain about the world leader in hybrid and green transport. Guess you are all really that stupid.

  54. February 22, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    So how would you know, if it takes an IQ above 3?

  55. Jr
    February 22, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Wal-Mart trucks are already coming up 101 and then over 199 since they are serving Wal-Marts in Santa Rosa, Ukiah, Crescent City and Grants Pass. Soon they will add a stop in Eureka. Wal-Mart trucks are no different than Safeway’s.

  56. BeenThereDoneThat
    February 22, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Rich Morris, let me help you out a little bit…..the mall is not all one parcel. There are at least 9 parcels for the entire property, so it is possible to own the building but not the land. Kohl’s owns their building, and Gottschalks owned their building while they were in business. Carrington bought the Gottschalks vacant location not from General Growth Properties, but from the bankruptcy court. He wasn’t the property manager when Gottschalks was in business either.

    General Growth in not in bankruptcy anymore either. They emerged from bankrupty in late 2009. The spin off of 30 malls into the newly formed Rouse Company was a part of the reorganization effort to deal with some of the debt they still have.

    Walmart’s not dumb, and apparently neither is Francis Carrington. They both knew that zoning was already in place, they could slip into the space at the mall without jumping thru all the hoops (Coastal Commission, EIR’s, Zoning, etc). While I don’t agree with the way the whole situation was handled (not fully communicating with GGP or local mall officials), it doesn’t suprise me.

    Bottom line is that it’s too late for this petition. Walmart already knows that a lot of people in Humboldt County don’t like them. You might have had a better chance picketing Carrington’s office once the annoucement was “officially” made, but before demolition inside the space started.

  57. Tim
    February 23, 2012 at 9:16 am

    This petition makes me think of voting for term limits. “Make the government stop me before I vote/ shop again!”

    Doesn’t a store run it’s own petition just by existing? If you don’t want to shop there, don’t! I think in the end most people will vote/ sign with their money by shopping there. I never will..that’s how I vote/ sign.

  58. Harold Knight
    February 23, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    It’s entertaining to read right-wing ideologue’s desperate attempt to misinterpret the reason that 61% of Eureka citizens voted against a zone change on the Balloon Tract. If you were living here at the time, EVERY media ad against the zone change focused on Walmart! It successfully launched Patty Berg’s Assembly campaign, and it made national news. No, it was not “just a zone change”.

    In addition, there is no Constitutional “right to shop” at Walmart, or anywhere else. Instead, there are numerous examples of businesses favored and unfavored by government policy and regulations. For example, protectionism has worked very well for physicians and other classes of professionals. U.S. citizens do not have the freedom to have a broken arm repaired for $500 by a local Mexican doctor, in fact, you’re not even allowed to purchase a used pair of prescription eye glasses (except in Texas)! American families would also prosper from some modest protectionism.

    When the government returns to protecting the economic interests of its human resources, not merely the interests of expatriate corporations, or the richest among us, we’ll begin to see reasonable Tariffs reestablished with more job opportunities to follow.

    Increasing the number of living wage jobs while ending offshore tax havens, would begin to reduce the welfare burden and return full-funding for universities and neighborhood schools.

  59. Alas
    February 23, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Eureka’s enduring town fathers have a legacy of inviting harmful industries to our shores….in the name of freedom, of course. The full costs are dumped onto future generations without acknowledgment, accountability, or apology.

  60. Anonymous
    February 23, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Harold seems to have selective memory, as voters much more recently than 1999 (Nov 2010) voted TO change the zoning at the balloon tract.

    Tough shit for Harold that the govt (thankfully) does not have the right to prevent business from locating into appropriately zoned areas.

  61. Me
    February 23, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I agree with anonymous above. Do these people really believe the City Council or building department should have the ability to pick and choose what businesses were allowed to open? Can you imagine the uproar if they used it to stop businesses they didn’t like? I can see it now. No permit for a new music venue because they don’t like the music. They could have denied the co-op because they own stock in Safeway. No to the new shoe store because “we have enough shoe stores already” The opportunity for abuse would be huge.

    If a proposed use fits the zoning they can do nothing to stop it. Anything else would be illegal for good reason.

  62. Harold Knight
    February 24, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “Tough shit for Harold that the govt (thankfully) does not have the right to prevent business from locating into appropriately zoned areas”. (Anon 3:00).

    Many communities in Eureka are also zoned for livestock. Please provide me your address, I’ve been looking for the right kind of patriot to plop my pig farm next to.

    Eureka city councilman Jeff Leonard’s campaign platform included his support to limit the size of future big boxes. There was nothing illegal about it and it would have kept Walmart out. Too bad there’s no law against broken campaign promises.

  63. February 24, 2012 at 11:39 am

    There are a couple of entirely legal medical marijuana dispensaries (legal even under city council requirements) who are being denied the right to open right now by the city.

    So the argument that the city can’t restrict legal businesses in correctly zoned areas is bullshit.

    have a peaceful day,

  64. me
    February 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    I guess you and I have a different interpretation of “legal”. Last I looked the federal government wasn’t sending out letters warning municipalities not to allow Walmart’s in CA.

    Probably a little different scenario. Ya’ think?

    Could you come up with a legitimate example?

  65. High Finance
    February 26, 2012 at 11:22 am

    This whole topic is laughable and Heraldo should be embarrassed again.

    You could get 300 signatures on a petition urging Justin Bieber to dump his current girlfriend and start dating Angelina Jolie.

  66. February 26, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I’m ashamed of you sometimes, HiFi. Does that count?

  67. High Finance
    February 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me this year !

  68. Anonymous
    February 26, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    “Many communities in Eureka are also zoned for livestock. Please provide me your address, I’ve been looking for the right kind of patriot to plop my pig farm next to.”

    Well Harold, If I in fact did live in an area zoned for pig farming, I wouldn’t go all Sean Armstrong on you, I’d welcome you to the neighborhood. As it is, I don’t. Nice strawman though, thanks for playing!

  69. February 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    The California Court of Appeal issued a landmark published decision last week affirming the legality of storefront dispensaries and rejecting the argument that every member of a collective or cooperative must participate in the cultivation.


  70. Anonymous
    February 28, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    FEDS, Bill, FEDS.

  71. February 28, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Since President Obama and US Atty Gen. Holder both promised to respect California law, and storefront dispensaries conform with California law, what’s the problem?

    have a peaceful day,

  72. Anonymous
    February 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    The problem is Bill, that the letters going out to counties and cities from the feds aren’t ‘zactly sayin that.

    Course you knew that already.

  73. February 28, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    The problem, is that the city discriminates against certain businesses that don’t conform to your Christofascist values.

    Compare and contrast.

    Corporate monopolist and global retailer Wal Mart comes to town to pick at the corpse of the local economy and the city keeps it completely secret for months. The bullshit spun here for the last couple of months is that the city had to respect the “confindentiality” of the business moving to the mall.

    On the other hand, several local dispensary operators who would employ several dozen people right here in Eureka jumped through hoops created by the city council itself in a process that took over a year to comply with. Was their “confientiality” respected?

    NO! In fact the city itself instigated a reply from the feds by initiating a letter.

    This is a prima facie case of discrimination.

    I wish I was a lawyer (sometimes.) Your fruit is so low hanging.

    have a peaceful day,

  74. Anonymous
    February 28, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Sure, Bill, whatever you say. You win again. NOT, lol.

    Compare and contrast:

    Large big box retailer, loathed by many, including Bill, comes to town and is moving into an appropriately zoned retail space to conduct legal retail business.

    Local MMJ dispenseries jump through hoops, as required by the City and a couple are ready to set up shop, when BAM! The feds, who do not recognize the legality of said MMJ dispenseries begin threatening cities and counties throughout the state with harsh legal actions against said cities and counties.

    Cities including Eureka, Chico, Arcata (gasp) and Counties including Mendecino (double gasp) suspend issuing MMJ dispensery permits.

    The fact is, Bill the city employee who contacted the feds was doing his or her job – that is making sure the city was protected – it is a prima facie case on an employee doing the right thing.

    Low hanging fruit indeed. I don’t wish you were a lawyer. I like you, and don’t want you to starve. At least with your SSI and disability you can still feed yourself and buy your medicine.

    Have a less ignorant day,


  75. February 28, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Adam, the city employee who contacted the feds,
    maybe on his/her next call he/she could inquire of
    federal regulations for wetlands.
    Now that would be helpful.

  76. Guest
    February 28, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    “maybe on his/her next call he/she could inquire of
    federal regulations for wetlands.”

    Did you hear Randy Gans on KINS yesterday? Sounds like Security National’s argument to the Coastal Commission is centered around the voter approved Measure N. Is Rob once again choosing to ignore the Coastal Act?

  77. Anonymous
    February 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    Sure Arnold, let’s change the subject at hand to Heraldo’s favorite Bogeyman, Rob Arkley. Fun times for all!


  78. February 28, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    You ok with that “N-Please?”
    Helping the racist get his “message” out?

  79. February 29, 2012 at 5:46 am

    Adam the subject is wetlands,
    if that makes Heraldo’s bogeyman uncomfortable,
    think about the dune wetlands, some so stripped
    of vegetation- they no longer function.
    Perhaps there is a supervisor or two equally
    discomfited, at least RA didn’t use state DPR habitat monies
    to destroy his little patch.
    Adam who was that conscientious city employee calling the feds
    about weed and when will he/she make the wetlands call?
    Beautiful day.

  80. February 29, 2012 at 8:02 am

    I am sorry “Adam” but your assertion is simply bullshit.

    All the city has to do is treat mmj dispensaries just like any other business and if they qualify for a normal business license give them one and let them open in any area of the city zoned commercial industrial. Let the free market determine the correct number of dispensaries.

    If the city simply takes a hands off attitude the feds can and will do nothing.

    Eureka could easily support five or six smaller dispensaries. Probably 40 to 50 jobs, and thousands of sales tax revenue for the city, not to mention a half dozen now empty storefronts will be filled.

    have a peaceful day,

  81. February 29, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Moviedad, that asshole has been put on moderation and some of his comments have been removed. Others responded to him before I saw the comments which is why you see what is still there.

  82. Black-Flag
    February 29, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Tommy Chong should run for mayor….

    Eureka needs a beach as well as weed stores. It’s got to be the only coastal town without a beach. How can this be?

    Maybe an indoor beach combined with a weed store that uses the lighting to grow weed while people relax at the indoor beach with weed and mixed drinks?

    All I know is Eureka needs to reinvent itself if it’s going to survive. We ought to build an artificial sun or maybe an aquarium you can fish in. Instead we’ll just call each other names while Eureka slips further into dump status.

  83. February 29, 2012 at 11:22 am

    BFlag- OR we could build a Walmart.

  84. March 2, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Dispensaries can’t be banned, but must grow pot on site

    A Court of Appeal panel in Santa Ana voids Lake Forest’s zoning ban on clinics, but rules that they can only sell marijuana they grow, a regulation that would force most to close.

    By Maura Dolan, Los Angeles Times


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