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Quote of the day

So with this I am suspending all efforts to do anything with the continued assault on the courthouse, the employees and the general public due to the immunity given to them by your [the District Attorney’s] office.Humboldt County Sheriff Mike Downey in a letter to DA Paul Gallegos regarding the ongoing Occupy Eureka protest outside the courthouse.

  1. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Ah, Gallegos, the foolish bastard. He expects the cops to obey the law. It’s hard to imagine any more infuriating interference with law enforcement.

  2. Sondra Beight
    March 9, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I think Downey needs to clean up the Sheriff’s department before he runs his mouth.

    How many idiots and criminals are working as deputies and jailers that is the question.

  3. David Boyd
    March 9, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Far more astonishing to me was the statement in today’s T-S that Sheriff Downey said “the chain link fence is county property, not public property…” Just who does he think government represents? Perhaps it’s an unintended admission that even our local government is set up to serve the interests of the 1%.

  4. March 9, 2012 at 9:26 am

    While I support Occupy 100%, I am quite sure it was, is and will continue to be the false flag that ends the 1st Amendment in the US.

    When the war starts, they don’t want people protesting it. Look at the anti-Occupy ordinance put into place countrywide.


    Get yours in life while you still can. This country is coming down by design, by an evil cabal that does this every so often. There’s no stopping history that has already been written. Doesn’t matter how hard Americans try.

    Lookup Cortez, and what he did to the Mayans at the end of their last cycle. A lot about ‘2012’ will be revealed. If you can pacify a populace at the right time, they won’t fight back.

    Learn history or you are doomed to repeat it.

    There is a huge global political awakening happening and most of you are prescribing to CIA/CNN/mainstream media garbage. Break free, or don’t- and continue to live in a mental and physical prison.

    And in the meantime blessings to you and your families, shit is about to get BUMPY when Obama’s false flag comes.

  5. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 9:30 am

    David Boyd, you are too stupid for words

  6. owltotem
    March 9, 2012 at 9:34 am

    So Paul Gallegos, rightly determines that prosecuting sign violations is not fiscally prudent and Downy refuses to protect the employees and the public as a response.

    This is what happens when we allow elections to be bought!!!

    Harpam gets it, there’s no benefit to public safety ripping down signs. Now I wish he would focus on the increased gang activity, burglaries etc surfacing on a nightly basis on the west side, these are new guys Murl, probably freshly released.

  7. David Boyd
    March 9, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I assume the fence was paid for with tax-payer dollars. That makes it public property.

  8. March 9, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Time to investigate the Sheriff’s Office?

    First they sandbag an endorsement for Rex.

    Now Rex’s buddy goes all Nottingham on us.

    There’s a song in here somewhere.

  9. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Lets see, the deep water harbor owned, fuel sales owned, shipping out unprocessed resources for personal gain by a few, buying the city council of Eureka, seat by seat, buying the County Board of Supervisors seat by seat. Buying the Sheriff’s seat, buying measure N onto the Ballot, uh lets see, oh yes lets not forget… the city managers office, Carrington slipping in Walmart, when it is well supported that the people wanted No Part of It!. hmm shall I go on?

    Boyd hit the nail on the head.

    What I loved when I opened the morning paper was Downey outs himself by refusing to protect the public who elected him. And that corporate personhood is being called out for what it is and a little biddy ember begins to glow!!!

    Fan these flames of discontent and move forward in a positive optimistic, peaceful fashion, unyielding and keeping the message consistent. We are America, this is not alright, WE ARE the hope and change.

  10. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I cannot say that I am surprised about the apparent immunity . His office demonstrated in one serious case of assult with a knife , that they were more interested in getting a conviction than what really happened leading to the arrest of the defendant . The alledged victims were in reality criminals in the case and the DA’s Office did not consider the EPD report showing that the defendant had been attacked in their residence . The alledged victims commited perjury that was so obvious that I was surpirsed that the Prosecutor did not see that . Fortunately the assult with a knife charge was eventually dropped . However 2 criminals who forced their way into a residence were never charged with a crime despite the EPD being shown evidence that the knife was planted to make it look like a crime , the fact that there was a witness to the assult in the residence against the defendant , and the fact that in an anonymous letter which was used attempt to get the defendant eviicted from their apartment showed that one of the alledged victims did in fact commit a serious assult in the residence he forced his way into . Both the EPD and the DA’s Office were given a copy of the anonymous letter .

    If the DA can allow serious crimes to go without prosecution , I seriously doubt that he wants to deal with the issue of the illegal signs being used . I do hope however that he does prosecute any of the protesters who commited any crime of assult or resisting arrest .

    I hope that at election time , the voters take a greater interest in who they elect . From what i have seen , I question how consistent that the DA is in dealing with some cases , particularly those where the defendants may not be respected by the DA’s Office or Law Enforcement agencies . In true justice , there is sometimes a simple need for common sense . If 2 people can force their way into a residence , convince the EPD that they were victims of a crime , commit perjury , and go out and harass the defendant and get away with it . I am afraid for the safety of the citizens of Humboldt County . One of the alledged victims as I was told is a delivery person for a local business . I certainly do not want them in my home and will therefore not buy anything from that business that needs delivery . I also do not want the 2 alledged victims living in my neighborhood .

  11. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 9:50 am

    This is bad for Gallegos for one simple reason. Occupy Eureka is not a popular movement (unlike nationally). It’s a movement for what people perceive to be career activists and homeless people. The general public is not at the courthouse, as evidenced by the always small number of protestors. What the voting public knows about Occupy Eureka is that its an eyesore. Come reelection time, any opponents merely need to get the sheriff and EPD chief on camera saying something similar to the quote Heraldo posted.

  12. Percy
    March 9, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Time for you to read up on freedom of speech Mr. Downey. Start with the defenition of “protest” vs “assault”. Time for you to figure out exactly what your duties are. You were sworn to uphold the LAW, not the law as you interpret it. If you need a clarification then yes, I’m sure the DA would be happy to oblige, but your letter seems to suggest that you have already decided how to interpret the law. Do you know what you are Mr. Downey? You are a PUBLIC SERVANT! You don’t get to do whatever you or your handlers want. You get to do your job just as it is prescribed to you, nothing more and nothing less. If this is beyond your abilities, then you need to move on, perhaps to Arizona, where I’m sure Sheriff Arpaio has an opening for you. When is the next election for sheriff?

  13. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 10:02 am

    This is good for Gallegos for one simple reason. He was elected on a pledge of equal justice for all. He is not endorsing Occupy Eureka, he is fulfilling his pledge. If you read the article, you will see that there is no legal leg to stand on to prosecute someone for posting a non-commercial sign on the fences at the courthouse.

    For the Sheriff to assert that he’s going to take his toys and go home if he can’t break the law is, in a word, remarkable.

    If there are enough citizens left in Humboldt County able to muster a thought, this is good for Gallegos. (But then, Adlai Stevenson was famously told he had the support of every thinking American in his run for the Presidency. His instant reply was, “that’s not enough, I need a majority.)

  14. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Equal justice insofar as, I suppose, we can all go hang signs there and escape repercussions under the law now. That sentiment won’t fly with voters. His opponent in the next election can seal the deal with a simple TV ad.

  15. March 9, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Right on, Percy-
    Adlai Stevenson, priceless.

  16. March 9, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I have had sheriff’s refuse to write reports on violations of court orders by my ex wife and refuse to do child welfare checks (which is illegal). Now I find that the child was in an abusive relationship with an older boy and that neighbors were calling in domestic violence calls to the mother and childs address the whole time. Let the hell raising begin.

  17. Good Heavens
    March 9, 2012 at 10:31 am

    What about MY justice? What about MY tax payer dollars? I DON’T WANT PEOPLE ON MY PROPERTY (if it’s indeed public property isn’t it MY property too?). The Occupy Movement doesn’t represent me and I am far from the 1%….in fact i can guarantee you that I make WAY LESS than most government workers AND the pot growers who don’t pay taxes. Sheriff Downey was working on MY behalf…or doesn’t that count? (P.S. I’m not a Republican or an Arkley employee or affiliated with any other group that gets taken to task by the regulars who post on this blog…I am simply tired of MY rights not being considered part of the “public’s” rights.)

  18. Percy
    March 9, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Good Heavens, otherwise move back to England and worship the Queen.

  19. High Finance
    March 9, 2012 at 10:36 am

    dYou brain dead people supporting the bums and other rabble calling themselves “Occupy Eureka” had better get a clue.

    Things are escalating. Last week there were 20 signs out there including some 8 X 8 foot signs even when there were only two “protestors”. When does society obtain a backbone & say ENOUGH ! When they put up 50 signs ? 100 ?

    This morning there were bums with signs saying “Fuck the Sheriff”.

    What’s to keep 3 conservative protestors going out & putting up 30 signs of their own ?

  20. March 9, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Over 4 months now, and with much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands over citizens being harrassed by mentally ill homeless in front of the courthouse one must ask –

    “Has the County Deprt of Social Services sent a single social worker to help the group of homeless mentally ill people gathered in front of the Courthoue? Have they dispatched the homeless outreach van and crew? Just what does $60 million dollars a year get you anyway?”

    Not a rant on the social workers, they are just employees and presumably will go where they are ordered to go. It just looks like the courthouse is not really a priority at least at DHHs headquarters.

    have a peaceful day,

  21. tra
    March 9, 2012 at 10:41 am

    I thought it was the Eureka Police Department, not the Sheriffs Dept., that was primarily responsible for policing that area, since it’s within city limits. Am I mistaken about that?

  22. March 9, 2012 at 10:44 am

    “What’s to keep 3 conservative protestors going out & putting up 30 signs of their own ?”

    Actually there is plenty of video on the internet showing the Tea Party with their tables, their tents, serving food and plastering signs all over the courthouse, and trampling on the grass. Just google tea party eureka april 15.

    And some of them were armed, if you believe their propaganda.

    You didn’t seem to have a problem with them

    have a peaceful day,

  23. Harold Knight
    March 9, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Great point High Boldtage!

    Selective enforcement of law, by “public servants”, (sworn to uphold our Constitutional right to assemble on public property to protest), is unacceptable, disgusting and the stuff that civil wars are born of.

    If the bigots and haters of the poor, homeless, and mentally ill, had their way, these folks would be rounded up just like they did in Germany in the 1930’s. (Go ahead and protest the protesters High Fascist, it exposes what you really are and keeps OE in the news).

    Thank you Gallegos.

    Now, law enforcement can turn its attention to the dogs and cats that poop and pee on our fair city with impunity, where’s Chanel 3 “news” when you need them?.

  24. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I agree with the Occupy Movement. However, the court house is beginning to look like the rest of Eureka’s 101 corridor with it’s dirty homeless and brain dead hanging around. I guess it would look weird if there was actually a section of the 101 corridor that actually didn’t have homeless and crazy’s walking about with shopping carts and signs.

  25. Just Watchin
    March 9, 2012 at 11:27 am

    This all HAS to be George W. Bush’s fault !!

  26. mjtrac3142@gmail.com
    March 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Just Watchin,

    It was a knee-slapper the first time, all righty! A real barn-burner, yessirreebob. But I’m wondering if you think after the 34th time, it might be getting, I don’t know, just a smidgen, uh, stale?

    Just Wonderin

  27. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Harold Knight 11:23 are you implying that the Jews were poor, homeless and mentally ill?

  28. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Hey, Just Watchin and the gang,

    Just a question for ya.

    What do you think would have happened if a Sheriff were to decide that Walmart shouldn’t be allowed to open, just because he didn’t think it was a good idea? So he starts sending patrol cars to arrest the manager and harass the patrons. But then this busybody DA says, “Look. I don’t like Walmart either. It’s not OK, but it’s not criminal — I can’t prosecute people for doing things that are legal.”

    So the Sheriff gets his panties in a bunch an says, OK, then I’m not gonna bother sending my people to deal with any burglaries in that section of town, cause the damn DA won’t prosecute.

    I’ll tell you what I think should happen, but first let’s hear your guess.

  29. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 11:46 am

    It’s George Bush’s fault. ROTFLMAO, LOL!!!!

  30. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Hoo boy. That’s a goodun.

  31. March 9, 2012 at 11:51 am

    No, 1142, educated and informed people understand that the Jews were not the only victims of the Nazi regime. Their victims also included gypsies, gays, mentally ill, anarchists, communists, social democrats and anyone else opposed to their gang.

  32. Plain Jane
    March 9, 2012 at 11:56 am

    And it was the left they rounded up and murdered first, Larker.

  33. Percy
    March 9, 2012 at 11:56 am

    It’s just so danged dirty and messy when you have to watch democracy in action in real time and not just all clean and sanitized and on message like those adds put out by the Koch brothers funded supper pacs. And the Nazis did go after homosexuals and Gypsies and the mentally ill and intellectuals in addition to Jews, or are you reading a Texas history book, 11:42?

  34. Mo
    March 9, 2012 at 11:57 am

    The real quote of the day…

    ”I’m not saying it’s OK; it’s just not a crime,” Gallegos said about the signs. “There’s a lot of things out there that aren’t OK, but aren’t criminal.”

    Niether the Sheriff nor the DA are our personal bullies, on-call to “beat up” whatever “bad guys’ you have a problem with or dont like the looks of today.

    Nobody has the right to expect community resources be spent so they dont have to see those objecting at the Courthouse or to be asked for spare change on the Plaza. Niether group stops me walking past them, stops me from saying ‘No’ or giving someone a buck, as I choose.

    It just seems there are some things we should be dealing with directly, rather than disagreement over who should be doing it for us.

    If it bothers you, confront the Occupiers and ASK them to be courteous (however you define courteous). But lets support Gallegos for prioritizing that scare public resources be used to address real crimes.

  35. High Finance
    March 9, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    bill, 10.44am. The Tea Party protestors were there for several hours and then left.

    Your friends have been there 24 hours a day, seven days a week for more than four months and have no intention of leaving.

    And you compare the two ?

  36. High Finance
    March 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    So Mitch, no limits of any kind ?

  37. anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Why are other Occupy movements seemingly more together than Eureka’s? Upon review of the web sites of the Occupiers in Portland, Medford, Ashland, Sacramento, San Francisco and Oakland there seems to be a real push to create and expand the dialogue which is the foundation of this movement. I don’t see this happening in Eureka (or even the Arcata and Humboldt occupy movements). The Occupy movement should be commended for encouraging citizen participation in government. I do not see this happening in Eureka, but perhaps I have missed this agenda item.

  38. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    United States Constitution, Bill of Rights, First Amendment, (Humboldt County Edition)

    Sheriffs shall make no law forbidding freedom of speech for up to several hours or as long as anonymous blog commenter High Finance feels is appropriate.

  39. March 9, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    No High Finance I am not comparing the two, the Occupy has never been an armed protest.

    have a peaceful day,

  40. Harold Knight
    March 9, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Put a list of Humboldt County crimes over the last 4 months next to a photo of 10 law enforcement officers standing in front of a fence for 4 hours, and another 20 sheriff deputies gazing-on from the courthouse steps, and Paul Gallegos will get his own float in the next parade.

    There’s been three recent home robberies in my neighborhood near Grant School, leaving homeowners complaining about the lack of police investigation.

    If appearances are that important, at least send officers to finally clean up the chronic blight behind our Eureka Inn.

    Oh, that’s right.

    Messes made by the Good Old Boys get a pass.

  41. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    highboldtage, that was a pathetic attempt at comparing the two protests. The Tea Party protest in 2009 was a day event, not months, and signs were not plastered all over the courthouse, ppl were holding them. As for saying some of them were armed, thats pathetic also.
    Better luck next time.

  42. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    It came to my attention only yesterday that Hitler’s government became aware of the Eugenics program that had been pioneered by the State of California.

    Hitler’s adoption of the practice led to the sterilization of untold numbers of Europeans who Hitler considered unfit to reproduce.

    But don’t forget, The State of California had already sterilized thousands of its own citizens for the same reasons and with the assent of the “best medical minds of the times.”

  43. High Finance
    March 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Wrong Mitch. Your definition is not one of the freedom of speech but one of anarchy.

    You bend so far over for the rights of the 1% and forget about the rights of the 99%.

    That kind of fuzzy minded thinking will end the quality of life for us all.

  44. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I would like Harold Knight to consider running for office locally.

  45. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    For as long as there have been legal systems protecting the rights of those not running a society, there have HiFi’s pointing out that there must be limits.

    Fortunately, there have also been defenders of the rights brought into question.

    Rights are only rights if they continue to exist when they are exercised by those who are not in power, in ways that inconvenience those in power, and in ways that those in power consider obnoxious. If a right is only a right when those in power find it convenient, it is worthless. That is why the ACLU regularly gets itself in hot water by defending the rights of asshole neo-Nazis to prance about and “sieg heil” one another.

    If the protesters are actually interfering with access to the courthouse, let them use the damn grass.

    If the problem is that mentally ill homeless persons have found community in the guise of protest, a carrot — say, a nice safe, warm place to stay without being harassed — will work quite well to move them out of the protest.

    If the problem is that you don’t like protesters in front of your courthouse, you have a problem called the Constitution of the United States of America. Why do you hate America, HiFi?

  46. March 9, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Take a look at the video, Reffan and then get back to me. :)

    have a peaceful day,

  47. Down the Road
    March 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I wouldn’t do the German thing on the posers at the Humboldt
    Court House, I’d do a Soylent Green.

  48. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    If the ingredients for the small green wafers were gathered in Eureka on the 101 corridor – I will have to say “No thanks I have already eaten.”.

  49. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Whoa there, You are talking bout some nasty tasting wafers.

  50. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    I watched the video, a lot of ppl holding signs, quite a few I know personally btw, prostesting peacefully. What did you see highboldtage that was invisible to my eyes??

  51. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Mitch is out in right field, away from the action and reality!!

  52. March 9, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Yes I agree that they were protesting peacefully. I support their rights to do so.

    However first off I see a bunch of large cloth banners affixed to all of the railings on the steps leading up to the courthouse doors. These signs include a large 2nd Amendment banner, which at one point you can see a uniformed county employee helpfully tying to the railing.

    So I assume that if this kind of signage is good for Tea Party, it is also good for Occupy, is it not?

    have a peaceful day,

  53. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Well Bill, I watched it again and did not see any banner or sign attached to anything but hands, so I think you are seeing what you want to see.

  54. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Does anyone really get the point here? The Sheriff, and the EPD, risk civil litigation for enforcing laws if they know the DA will not prosecute those arrests.

    The “occupiers” at the court house are just a rag tag group of losers and professional protesters that don’t have any form of purpose or real life. Many people that have to go to the courthouse for work are fed up. Just think of how much time and money that has gone into these creeps!

  55. Mitch
    March 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm


    Yes, I am “away from the action.” I don’t hang around at the Courthouse. I may or may not be away from reality.

    I doubt Occupy Eureka is helping anything very much at this point. That doesn’t mean that people are not within their rights to stand in a public place and protest.

    If there is harassment of bystanders, that’s when the police can legitimately become involved.

    If it’s just that you don’t like the protesters signs, presence, and demeanor, that’s unfortunate for you, but you don’t get to tell them to move from a public place, at least not under the (theoretical) American system, the one we’re all taught growing up. Of course, under the actual American system, I’m sure the protesters will be taken care of before much more time goes by.

    Is Pinkerton still around? Or who is the current head-buster outfit?

  56. March 9, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Let me help you out Reffan, I put a couple of screen captures from the video on my blog just click on my name here and you can clearly see the large banners hanging on the courthouse railings. No hands!

    BTW the easy-up and the speakers podium are both on the grass this can be verified later on in the video.

    The lady gave a good speech.

    have a peaceful day,

  57. March 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Hey, I’m all for the 1st Amendment, but the movement is not as “moving” as it was. I get it, and so do many others….many of which are actually sympathetic. However, as predicted, the humboldt movement goes off the deep end. Obviuosly a lack of leadership and a lack of understanding of what it takes to convice the general public and keep them ingaged. Say what you will, but as the economy improves you just become more of eyesore for so many. It really does’nt need to end this way.

  58. Toohey
    March 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    I have a question for those who say they support the Occupy movement. What on earth do you hope is to be accomplished by a band of halfwits sitting on the courthouse steps with painted bed sheets hung on a fence for months on end? It just annoys the rest of us that have to look at or contend with it as we toil through our busy days. I mean I like to feel positive vibes and all but this isn’t doing it for me.

  59. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Steak n Eggs has a good view on this highboldtage. Eka occupy has been takin over by the homeless and less driven by the workin ppl, prob cuz they’re at work.
    This has been going on for too long with no direction and support. There has got to be something else that can be done to protest the inequality in our country than litter the outside of our courthouse with the same shit day in and day out!!

  60. March 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Sure RefFan but did you look at the Tea Party banners?

    have a peaceful day,

  61. Toohey
    March 9, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Bill, four months of continuous sitting there versus an event here or there. The difference between a camping trip and the Donner Party.

  62. March 9, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    What is your opinion of the banner issue, Toohey, do you think that Occupy should have the same signage priveleges that the Tea Party has?

    have a peaceful day,

  63. Toohey
    March 9, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    I wish Occupy kept similar hours.

  64. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    When Paul was in private practice they called him “numb nuts”. It appears things have not changed!

  65. March 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    If the fence wasn’t there, there would be no fence to hang the signs on. Back to basic logic, folks.

    have a peaceful day,

  66. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    That was one freakin day Bill, not months. Get over it already!

  67. March 9, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    So you do see the banners, RefFan?

    have a peaceful day,

  68. RefFan
    March 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm


  69. March 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Well just click on the blue ‘highboldtage” on this post right here and you will be able to see a couple of outtakes from the video.

    If you still can’t see them I will get out a crayon and circle them for you. No prob.

    have a peaceful day,

  70. High Finance
    March 9, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    You all are making one big mistake, one that I sometimes forget & make also.

    The current motely group of pretenders calling themselves “Occupy” are not protesting anything. They are not calling for any measure or propostion to pass, they are not calling for any politician to win or lose or to vote for any proposed or existing legislation.

    They are there to do nothing more than to stick it to the rest of us. Period.

    This has nothing to do with “free speech”.

  71. jr
    March 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    I agree with Hi Fi on this. Look at http://www.occupymedfordoregon.org or http://www.occupysac.com or http://www.occupywallst.org and see what this movement is working toward and how they are attempting to achieve it. In fact, you could enter occupy (name the city) dot org and find amazing information on what is proposed to enable citizen participation. Frankly, I do not see this proactive citizen engagement from the local occupiers,

  72. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    In a city that is overflowing with drug addicted homeless psychotic leaches this now seems to the unfortunate outcome of our Occupy. This is the result of welcoming losers to our town. There is no respect for our city. The good ole boyz turned their backs on this town long ago. This is the outcome. Many good ole boyz own businesses but wouldn’t live here. The social worker enablers make a living tending the leaches. People not living in town think it is Eureka that should be the charity mecca for the county. It is not in their backyard so it is OK. No wonder everything turns the wrong way in our potentially beautiful Victorian town on the West Coast of California. Just another example of something good being ruined.

  73. Anonymous
    March 9, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Yeah bill, I see em – they are being held up by people standing over the railing. Thanks for posting it.

    Have a less ignorant day.

  74. Giggles
    March 10, 2012 at 2:14 am

    Live & let live. Being upset about anyone protesting at the court house only gets you in a tizzy. It doesn’t bother the occupy people or the tea party people that you’re bothered. In fact some of them may enjoy getting your goat.

  75. March 10, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Oh 1115, sadly it is you who is ignorant.

    I have posted a fourth screen capture from this video of Charlene Nightingale just a few seconds later which clearly shows these same banners hanging all by themselves. Magic?

    I used a nice bright yellow crayon to highlight this so you can’t miss it.

    Maybe you are just hoping that no one will look at them?

    here is the video for anyone who cares:

    So the question is do the Occupiers have the same rights as the Tea Party or not?

    have a peaceful day,

  76. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 7:11 am


    I was surprised by your comment, so I clicked on “highboldtage” as Bill has suggested and went to the fourth photo, with the yellow circle.

    Are you saying the banner is being held up by invisible anti-Occupy people? That could explain a lot. Maybe it was the invisible people who pooped and peed on the bank, too, who knows. We never did see anything from the security cameras, now, did we?

  77. Plain Jane
    March 10, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Perfect example of people who see only what they want to see.

  78. Down the Road
    March 10, 2012 at 7:43 am

    An assemblage on jail or prison property or on court house property can prohibited for security reasons.

    If I were the Sheriff, I would go to court and get a mandamus
    to require Gallegos to do what he was voted in office to do.

    Eureka is in such economic downfall that we cannot afford to
    discourage tourists, business or people moving here. To allow
    this type of gathering just adds to the already bad reputation
    of this city.

  79. Lucky Stiff
    March 10, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Seems to me we should get a writ of mandamus to get Parole and Probatioin off their asses and actually get some work done.

    Seems to me that the EPD spends half its time and resources rounding up parole violators.

    Why are we spending milliions of county dollars on a clearly failing department?

  80. Plain Jane
    March 10, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Authoritarians have no problem finding excuses to limit civil liberties. DTR seems to be one of them.

  81. March 10, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Yes they might obscure the beautiful architectural marvel that is Humboldt County courthouse..

  82. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Regarding DTR,

    Judge: A security issue?

    On the clock County attorney: Yes, sir.

    Judge: How?

    On the clock County attorney: This is the location at which trials are held and local prisoners are held. To have a mob outside at all hours raises the possibility of prisoner escapes or trial interference.

    Judge: Mob? How many people are there? And how does it raise the possibilities you suggest?

    On the clock County attorney: There are as many as a dozen people there over some nights, and two dozen during the days.

    Judge: Oh. How are those two dozen people endangering the court or the jail?

    On the clock County attorney: They are harassing attorneys, witnesses, and jurors.

    Judge: How? If they are guilty of harassment, why are they not being arrested?

    On the clock County attorney: Well, I guess the police aren’t actually witnessing hassment.

    Judge: Oh. Are you a witness to the harassment?

    On the clock County attorney: No.

    Judge: Do you have any witnesses to the harassment?

    On the clock County attorney: Not present, no sir.

    Judge: Well, when you can find someone breaking the law, please bring them before me. But let’s get back to the security risk. What is your theory of how this “mob” of yours endangers the jail, beyond by harassing people when there are no witnesses.

    On the clock County attorney: They could have explosives.

    Judge: Have you found any?

    On the clock County attorney: No, but they haven’t been searched.

    Judge: Of course not — they haven’t broken any law. You could be carrying explosives in front of the courthouse, couldn’t you?

    On the clock County attorney: But I don’t.

    Judge: Thank you, sir. Next!!

  83. Anonymous
    March 10, 2012 at 8:21 am

    High/sly..You been stickin it to us real Tax payers, for years. It’s really none of your business what anyone protests about. They should be able to protest anything without be molested by anyone as long as they do no physical harm. Just like someone like you to tell us again, what we can and cant protest and how. I thought a big part of Christianity was about tolerance? You go to church but, maybe for the wrong reasons. I think you should work on you and stop working on fixing everyone else.

  84. High Finance
    March 10, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I love you too 8.21am.

    I will pray every day for you and your ilk to become less ignorant before the quality of life in our town is completely destroyed.

  85. Plain Jane
    March 10, 2012 at 8:58 am

    In what universe does a comedian on pay TV insulting politicians (male or female) with crude terms for female anatomy equal a radio talk show host slandering a female private citizen as a prostitute and slut and going even further to claim that she has men lined up around the block and should have to post sex videos for his enjoyment? “Boob” and “twat” are crude but commonly used words to insult intelligence. It’s not like any sane person would ever believe Palin or Bachman really are breasts or vaginas.

  86. March 10, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I really think some of you have your heads in the sand. Instead of standing around all day sipping coffee and smoking cigs, how about some type of community improvement effort. Why can’t the Occuppy movement be synonomous with something positive that EVERYBODY can relate to? For starts, how about cleaning up the front of the Courthouse. Next week it could be a local playground or park. Associate yourselves with something civic instead of just demanding attention for the sake of attention. Its hard for many of us on the go to relate to a group of people who stand around all day pointing fingers and bitching. Yeah, we get it. Make a difference or be ignored.

  87. Toohey
    March 10, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Sadly they are not interested in that I fear. I wish they were then I might join them.

  88. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 9:29 am

    S&E, Toohey,

    You’re both in luck:

    I’m sure they’d appreciate your help. Here’s their web site:

  89. Bolithio
    March 10, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Exactly Steak.

    Thats a brilliant idea for Occupy. If they are trying to help the 99%, a good place to start is to actually do something. I also feel that simply “occupying” the steps of the court house is pointless. Everyone is aware of the movement, and most people know what it stands for. Beyond the slogans – that many people may sort of agree with – what are they doing?

    Protesting against greed is like fighting a war against terrorism. Its never going to succeed.

    Yet if occupy became a movement which spent the majority of their time (which they appear to have allot of), doing things around the community that benefited us (the 99), when they did show up for a protest – such as during an actual election or something where a protest could actually be relevant – perhaps the public perception would be favorable towards them and the message. Right now they are loosing ground fast with the people they claim to be trying to help.

    There is the 99%. Then there is a bell-shape curve within that group which represents the 80% of the 99%. The 80% is working to survive, and has little time or energy to join any movement. Especially one who appears to sit around all day painting cute little posters and complaining about huge impossible to solve problems.

  90. March 10, 2012 at 9:57 am

    HighFinance you are a complete moron, hands down.

    “When does society obtain a backbone & say ENOUGH!”


    LOL you understand nothing of what is truly happening in the world, and you are likely a compartmentalized Mason yourself.

    Sad to watch the country I grew up in fade to dust because of morons like most of you that are letting the cabal continue the insanity.

    I mean, c’mon, we are on the brink of thermonuclear war and you are whining about Occupy Eureka protesters. You should be completely ashamed of yourself and crawl up into a little ball until the Feds come to take you to a FEMA camp to save you from the shock And awe program coming before the elections i’m quite sure.

    What happened to the Anti-War protesters from the good old 60s and 70’s? Oh, that’s right, mercury in HFCS destroyed your brain cells since. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM

  91. High Finance
    March 10, 2012 at 10:22 am

    I’m not feeling the love Pacific.

    We are on the brink ? LOL. There is always the danger of nuclear war but the brink was far higher during the cold war.

    But my post at 8.44am was directed towards people like you. Please reread it and take it to heart.

  92. Papa Doc
    March 10, 2012 at 10:35 am

    So hifi,

    The world is as usual a mess, wars in Africa, Near East, Far East, insurrections, genocides, famines, etc. etc.

    And you take up God’s time praying for the “quality of life” in your little town.

    God must be impressed.

  93. March 10, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Occupy Eureka has been standing up to a bully. IMHO that is why it is still there. Not content with breaking up the camp and getting rid of the tents, the EPD went after the protesters’ signs. To stop the protest and have the Police Chief, County Administrative Officer and County Counsel think they could end a protest by imposing any restrictions they wanted on free speech was and is unacceptable. The DA is NOT refusing to prosecute for financial reasons; he has told his staff that the law being used to arrest (or cite, or just harass by taking signs) deals with signs relating to commodities, and protest signs are a form of free speech.

    As for homeless at the courthouse, the Interim Chief of Police has used them to defame the protest. There are protesters who are homeless but I consider those congregating on the benches as our neighbors. Some of our neighbors have drug (I include alcohol) problems, anger management problems and/or mental health issues. These problems are not unique to the courthouse, they are found in other neighborhoods, and throughout our society rich and poor. Some others are hard working folks who have fallen on hard times and some have, for differing reasons, accepted that the streets are their home. Coexisting in front of the courthouse has presented problems for the protesters, but our response has been to work respectfully with our neighbors and begin advocating for a place where it is not illegal to sleep, and where it is possible to have a bit of self respect, instead of the constant harassment that seems to be the approach many seem to favor to address houselessness.

    Back to our rights, neither the police, County Administrative Office, nor County Counsel would meet with protesters. The DA did, and even though the outcome was limited and a long time coming, he deserves credit for meeting. In fact, a member of the DA’s office came out to talk with protesters re the recent profanity on the sidewalk and stopped by at the end of the day to say thank you for removing it.

  94. Anonymous
    March 10, 2012 at 11:20 am

    The profanity has been powerwashed off in the past Janelle. If you guys removed it this time, kudos to you.

  95. Anonymous
    March 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    The architecture of the courthouse should be against the law. The biggest and ugliest building in the city. The tourists must really be impressed. Put the homeless and druggies in front of it and you have something special. Eureka!

  96. Harold Knight
    March 10, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Toohey says:
    March 9, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    ” It just annoys the rest of us that have to look at or contend with it as we toil through our busy days.”

    RefFan says:
    March 9, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    “Eka occupy has been takin over by the homeless and less driven by the workin ppl, prob cuz they’re at work.”

    Down the Road says:
    March 10, 2012 at 7:43 am

    “Eureka is in such economic downfall that we cannot afford to
    discourage tourists, business or people moving here. To allow
    this type of gathering just adds to the already bad reputation
    of this city.”

    Steak n Eggs says:
    March 10, 2012 at 9:05 am

    “Its hard for many of us on the go (working) to relate to a group of people who stand around all day pointing fingers and bitching.”

    Bolithio says:
    March 10, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “If they are trying to help the 99%, a good place to start is to actually do something. Protesting against greed is like fighting a war against terrorism. Its never going to succeed.”

    Despite centuries of examples, so many Americans still have no clue how their cherished jobs became safer places, how they got their weekend, eight hour day, and why their children aren’t in factories, (although the public schools are disappearing and “public university” tuition is prohibitive).

    Many historic movements began with a whimper. A motley, rag-tag handful of determined protesters quickly dispatched by “public servants”…..as in the early days of WWI veterans camped on the White House lawn. Their numbers increased with every brutal beating until they won the GI Bill of Rights. (The anti-protest fascists should be pleased that Gallegos isn’t giving the green-light to bash heads…which would galvanize larger protests).

    I must disagree with Mitch. Heraldo’s anti-protest posters listed above don’t hate America. They’re grotesquely and dangerously ignorant.

    There are about 46 million Americans living and working in poverty under a nation (and a “free-press”) that completely ignores them at its own peril.

    Today’s government/corporate collusion has the power to make uncomfortable truths disappear from popular media, but they don’t have the authority to disappear them from the courthouse lawn.

  97. Eric Kirk
    March 10, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    The architecture of the courthouse should be against the law. The biggest and ugliest building in the city. The tourists must really be impressed. Put the homeless and druggies in front of it and you have something special. Eureka!

    I agree that it’s ugly. Has a proposal for murals come up? I know a certain blogger who wouldn’t like that idea, but I love the murals inside the Ukiah courthouse and nobody questions their propriety.

  98. Anonymous
    March 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Say Janelle, did you see the greeting card someone made with your picture, and the hoard of police at the courthouse? It’s being used to raise funds. It’s a hoot.

    Well done.

  99. Toohey
    March 10, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Harold your history is a bit off. The WW 1 vets, the so called “Bonus Army'” got run off by the Army and thier camp was burned. That was in 1932, the G.I. Bill was passed in 1944. The Bonus Army had little to do with it other than a desire by congress to avoid a similar event with the WW2 vets.

  100. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Toohey wrote:

    “other than a desire by congress to avoid a similar event”

    Other than that you are eight months pregnant, madame, what evidence is there that you are not a virgin?


    Dickson and Allen also recover the voices of ordinary men who dared tilt at powerful injustice, and who ultimately transformed the nation: The march inspired Congress to pass the G. I. Bill of Rights in 1944, one of the most important pieces of social legislation in our history, which in large part created America’s middle class.

  101. Toohey
    March 10, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    At this point in time Occupy is nearly dead. It has the power to annoy not change. Occupy does not even know what it wants. If you want a revolution you must have a message that will capture people’s attention. The five misfits I saw out there yesterday with some painted bed sheets inspired not much more in me than momentary amusement.

  102. Toohey
    March 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Mitch the problem is Harold implies the protests triggered the GI Bill. Twelve years is quite a time to wait and if WW2 had not occurred there would have been no bill at any rate.

  103. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm


    Twelve years is the blink of an eye. You don’t think some of your actions in 2000 are bearing fruit this year?

  104. Toohey
    March 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Mitch, I don’t deny the Bonus Army was not linked to the GI Bill, Congress sought to avoid the likes of it occurring again. But The GI Bill was not sought by the WW1 vets. The GI Bill did not ever directly benefit the WW1 vets. They wanted their cash payment promised to be paid to them in 1945 to be paid in 1932. In that they failed. History is filled with linked events but you don’t always get what you want.

  105. Mitch
    March 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm


    The vets were paid their bonuses in 1936, four years after the Bonus Army was attacked. The President under whom the Army was attacked lost to FDR in a landslide. Eleanor Roosevelt met with a subsequent set of marchers after FDRs election. Prior to 1936, the Army vets were fast-tracked into jobs in the CCC.

    The Bonus Army was a success. As it happens, a large part of that success was a result of its mistreatment by General MacArthur and then President Hoover.

  106. Anonymous
    March 10, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    The DA’s office has only prosecuted one Occupy Protester to date, Kim Starr, and the Jury didn’t convict her. That was a “delaying, obstructing a police officer.” Does anyone think that a Humboldt Jury will convict for signs on a fence? That is ridiculous. Gallegos was right on this one.

  107. Bolithio
    March 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I must disagree with Mitch. Heraldo’s anti-protest posters listed above don’t hate America. They’re grotesquely and dangerously ignorant.

    Blah blah. When did I say I was anti-protest? Im not.

  108. March 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    An Anon from yesterday: “The profanity has been powerwashed off in the past Janelle. If you guys removed it this time, kudos to you.”

    As I understand it, some was smeared off by protesters, some was washed off by County Staff (we have to haul water in). The message was written again without the profanity. Kudos to the DA’s office who came and talked to the protesters. Who knows what would have happened if back in Oct the CAO had talked to the protesters rather than refusing to allow them to provide themselves a portable toilet.

    And another Annon message: “Say Janelle, did you see the greeting card someone made with your picture, and the hoard of police at the courthouse? It’s being used to raise funds. It’s a hoot.”

    No, I haven’t seen it. Occupy Eureka and the working group organizing the March 24th Stand Up & Shout Out! forum on the 1st Amendment could use some of the funds raised..

  109. Harold Knight
    March 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    For decades, small, rag-tag groups of women across America’s rural and urban cities endured insults, jailing and beatings before they were afforded the vote.

    WWI vets were not specifically demanding the GI Bill of rights but their actions are inseparable from the Bill’s crafting that addressed the fundamental health and pension issues raised for many years.

    Today, 25% of the homeless are U.S. veterans and always a presence at Occupy Eureka.

    Those who insult and condemn protesters are among this nation’s ugliest company.

    God Bless the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

  110. High Finance
    March 12, 2012 at 8:00 am

    You still have to think, even if you are a liberal.

    To compare the drunks & direlicts sitting in front of the courthouse today to the WWI veterans protests and the women’s sufferage is an insult.

    An insult to the vets & those women.

    Not all people loitering with signs around them are legitimate protestors.

  111. Authentic History
    March 12, 2012 at 8:10 am

    HiFi doesn’t understand the way this works:

    “President Hoover’s press secretary, Theodore Joslin, wrote in his diary that “The marchers have rapidly turned from bonus seekers to communists or bums.” Government authorities also noted the absence of Jim Crow in this Southern event. They chose to interpret this racial camaraderie between former brothers-in-arms as symptomatic of left-wing radicalism.”


  112. RefFan
    March 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Blah Blah PJ!!!
    Bill, that was not the link I clicked on in a previous post so we were talking about 2 different videos. The point is, that has how many days compared to months with the BUMS?
    One day vs. several months!

  113. Jack Sherman
    March 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    High Treason is blinded by bigotry common to his ilk.

    Who better to represent the ongoing national protests against corporate/government collusion and corruption, than its most obvious victims; the least among us?

    Hate all you want High-Psychotic, but the U.S. Constitution grants them the freedom to protest on public property.

    One of the protesters who is always there, told me he’d been looking for work for over a year, (like tens of millions of others today). He said that he had called the nearby EDD “Job Service” which offers no job training or placement services, unless you can prove your job was recently lost by outsourcing….while the Wall Street Bigs, (with dubious productive contributions), received huge bonuses from the U.S. taxpayer.

  114. March 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Hello Reffan,

    Well just to be clear we are in agreement that the Tea Party protestors had big banners attached to the courthouse entrance railings? That the Tea Party had an easy up and a podium on the grass?

    have a peaceful day,

  115. High Finance
    March 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Maybe Jack, the reason that “protestor” can’t get a job despite “looking for work for over a year” is the very fact that he IS ALWAYS THERE ? At the courthouse inside of cleaning up, sobering up and looking for work ?

    Sounds like you’re working through a lot of hate issues of your own.

  116. Jack Sherman
    March 13, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    If the EDD offered job training and placement, over half of the homeless in Eureka would disappear. Call the EDD to verify it for yourself, but it might interfere with your hatefest of the destitute and wounded victims of a corrupt imperial economy.

    There’s 48 million living in poverty today, Just a few tens of millions away from truly occupying the courthouse.

    “…comparing drunks & direlicts sitting in front of the courthouse today to the WWI veterans protests and the women’s sufferage is an insult…to the vets & those women.” (High-Liar 8:AM).

    Everyone on this blog knows which side of the suffrage and vet’s protests High-Liar would have been on, in that era! Only the Devil himself could properly feign compassion for those protests without so many spelling errors!

    High-Liar’s and insult to his ilk.

  117. High Finance
    March 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I cannot believe anyone could be so naive’

  118. Spell Checker
    March 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm


  119. High Finance
    March 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Yes he is.

  120. Jack Sherman
    March 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    There you have it.
    I’m “debating” with an unresponsive and illiterate teen.

  121. Anonymous
    March 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    I think Hi/sly was spawn from Rush. They are both convenient Christians. Using everything and everyone for personal gain. Taking no responsibility for anything. Putting on blinders, if I don’t see it or acknowledge it,it didn’t happen. If daddy hadn’t left Hi/sly money he would be a ditch digger like the rest of us.

  122. Jack Sherman
    March 14, 2012 at 12:01 am

    How kind.

  123. RefFan
    March 14, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Why cant ppl just step up and get their shit together themselves instead of there always having to be free services to help them. I know their are ppl out there that definitely needs a little assistance, but we as a society cant expect the government to provide that to every homeless person. We ourselves, are the only ones that can change our situation. If some of you that think there needs to be free services to get the homeless off the street, its easy for you to say the government should help but what are you doing to help? If you aren’t doing anything, then dont expect the governement to do it.

  124. Mitch
    March 14, 2012 at 9:16 am

    OK, RefFan.

    You’re a single mother raising two kids whose fathers have long since disappeared. You’ve changed your behavior, and gotten off drugs, because you love your children. You’re working towards your GED but don’t have a high school diploma.

    Should you be able to rely on government help? What form should it take?

    You’re a single man with no high school diploma. You’ve worked off an on for the past twenty years, at minimum wage jobs and sometimes under the table. When the economy went south, you found that there were no jobs in the area for people like you. You thought about moving to North Dakota, hearing that there’s work there, but your family and everyone you know lives in Humboldt County.

    Should you be able to rely on government help? What form should it take?

    You left school at 12 and are functionally illiterate. You’ve never had a job in your life. Neither has your mother, and you don’t know who your father is. You panhandle until you have enough money for a drink. You’d been staying on the couch of an HSU student, but got kicked out after you vomited on their carpeting. Since then, you’ve been in the community forest in a sleeping bag you stole off a laundry line

    Should you be able to rely on government help? What form should it take.

    You’re the government, RefFan. You can’t just complain — you have to decide what’s to be done. Every time you stick someone in the jail it costs you a fortune, so don’t think that’s an inexpensive solution. Getting mental health services is also very expensive. And if you try to put that last guy into housing, you’ll have the neighborhood up in arms. What do you do? How do you actually address the problem, besides complaining that it’s not your job?

  125. Hopeful
    March 14, 2012 at 9:18 am

    How about we start by not terrorizing the homeless?

    How about we start by retiring old Murl, Humboldts biggest terrorist?

    I think he is just hanging on to pad his retirement with a big salary base for the last years. This is a well known corrupt practice in this state. In this he is being aided and abetted by the Arkley- Tyson gang.

  126. Mitch
    March 14, 2012 at 9:19 am

    I know! I know! Tell them they’re responsible for their own problems, and they should solve them themselves. Then hire a lot more cops.

    Yeah, that’ll work.

  127. Anonymous
    March 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    If Eureka didn’t provide services for bums and welfare trash we would not need more police. I don’t mind helping those in need if they are from this county. Unfortunately, Instead of being known as a tourist friendly town we are well known by those on the homeless and welfare circuit.

  128. SOL
    March 14, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    So anonymous you would be in favor of a homeless camp with the proviso that the campers are Humboldt natives? Do tell.

  129. Jack Sherman
    March 14, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    It’s no use Mitch.

    The class-bigots are no different than the race-bigots who endure after centuries.

    The emotional part of our brains, (possessed by lizards and birds), is responsible for ancient, instinctual behaviors, recently proven to manage human’s uncontrollable greed. (March, 2012, PBS NOVA documentary, “Mind Over Money” PBS.org). Those who wish to unfetter this instinct should find a more suitable royal dynasty to live under.

    One need not be well-traveled to know that other industrialized nations, far poorer than the U.S., have very few homeless on their streets.

    They learned long ago that it’s much cheaper to pay up-front to provide fundamental services to those willing to work, than to pay dearly later-on if those services are denied.

    A basic, hard-learned, conservative principle.

  130. RefFan
    March 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Like anon said above, alot of these homeless are here from other places cuz of the humboldt weed and the reputation Humboldt has gotten from the homeless. Communities need to step up, not communities asking the government to take care of everything. You & I are part of that community so we should be coming up with solutions not bickering like high schoolers.

  131. RefFan
    March 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Ppl still need to try more to take care of themselves, Ive struggled really hard the last cple years with financial set backs, but I keep at it and have to make it better myself.
    Mitch, the examples you gave above are not relevant to most of the homeless we have here.
    One homeless guy at a SoHum meeting said that if ppl quit growing such an attractive product (weed), they wouldn’t be so tempted to come here. Go figure.

  132. Mitch
    March 14, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    OK, RefFan, then we probably basically agree that the three examples I gave should be provided with some sort of government safety net. We disagree as to what proportion of our homeless fit those three categories, which I tried to draw relatively broadly.

    So you think most of Humboldt County’s homeless population came here to grow pot, or because pot was easily available here? If that’s what you believe, what are your reasons for believing it? Do you think the kids around the Arcata Plaza are the bulk of Humboldt’s homeless?

    Would you agree that if someone can show they’ve been a resident of Humboldt County for a year, they should be provided with food and shelter assistance?

  133. janelle
    March 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    RefFan, You really need to take a look at the information from the Point-in-Time Count. 2/3 of homeless lived in Humboldt at time they became homeless. More.

  134. Mitch
    March 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Here’s a key sentence or two from the report Janelle linked:

    Most respondents had been in Humboldt County for greater than ten years (40%, n=377), while a substantial minority was shown to have been in the county for less than a year (23%, n=217). Over half of homeless families had been in the county for greater than ten years (51%, n=126).

  135. Jim White
    March 14, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    Folks, you’re “debating” bigots, they have no use for facts!

    In New Zealand every citizen is given access to basic housing, education, a job, health care, and food. If you want more than a tiny apartment and redundant job…you have to work harder, and most do! I’ve observed the streets of their capital late at night and have never once seen a homeless person. Same is true in Japan, although I’ve seen growing numbers of homeless in Tokyo.

    In the U.S. we used to have readily accessible SRO housing, job training and job placement, free universities, ie, a fairly solid safety net, the middle class it secures….

    …..and a “free press” to remind us of what we’ve lost…

  136. Anonymous
    March 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Janelle, I’ll send you an OE protest card with your picture on it, if you provide a pob.

  137. Shot Caller
    March 14, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Great job banishing the willfully ignorant-one 8:18. “High-Sophist” has already reappeared elsewhere. Go get him!

  138. Verbena
    March 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    This is my favorite quote of the day:

    ” “We’ve had protesters out there for a long time, but we’ve never had people say we’re going to be out there until things change,” Gallegos said.” Times-Standard 3/10/12

    Read it a few times if you don’t know why it’s my fav.

    And, given many folks seem to have a blog-term attention span (or very short-term memory), I’m going to direct your attention back about 4 months. DA Paul Gallegos in November gave the “go get em” direction to the City of Eureka and the County of Humboldt to bust up the vibrant and beautiful Occupy camp/protest. That order resulted in many false arrests, massive theft of many peoples’ property (including 100’s of signs), violence by the police causing great bodily harm wrongful incarceration (I myself was in jail for two weeks for two DISMISSED cases), and continuous harassment for several months. Gallegos’ office opposed our release from jail and put warrants out for protesters without affording them due process (so they could be arrested on the spot, on Christmas and other times). It’s great that Paul ain’t supporting cops illegally coming after our signs anymore (he probably already secured his Homeland Security monies), but don’t fool yourself into thinking the police, Sheriff, or DA and his staff are protecting anyone. The DA is still prosecuting someone from the November 14th raid which ended in 33 arrests, massive confiscation (theft, again), a concussion victim (of police brutality), after numerous dismissed cases due to lack of evidence and of a crime, and too much evidence of unconstitutional cop behavior.

    Think about it: Allowing us to have signs is no big concession when it comes to constitutional rights- Our signs should never have been touched and stolen by the government. MUCH of what the DA and the police and deputies have done should never have happened. That is, from a civil liberties perspective.

    And as for anyone’s opinion about people at the Occupy, get over it. You are otherwise contributing to a far greater evil than anyone getting on your nerves at the courthouse. Support people who are struggling to survive, support people who are doing what they can for liberation and justice.

    ” All of these early victims were easy targets [political prisoners, communists, social democrats, dissidents, homosexual men, Jehovah’s Witnesses, women accused of prostitution, homeless people, beggars, people who did not “fit in” to Nazi society, street people, petty thieves, Gypsies, people considered handicapped], people whom other Germans did little or nothing to protect, and whose disappearance from the public scene they often welcomed.”
    –from EARLY TARGETS OF NAZI PERSECUTION, http;//www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/background/ideology.html

  139. RefFan
    March 16, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Janelle, your referencing to all homeless and im talking about the street ppl who have no shelter, except for homeless shelters.

  140. March 16, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Living situations: camping- 319 , living in vehicles-152, in emergency shelters-124, in transitional living facilities-138, living in motels- 283, “doubling up” with friends or family- 327

    RefFan, If my math is correct–about 66%, or 886 of these people were here living in Humboldt when they lost their housing for any number of reasons, and now live in one of the above situations.

    Let’s work on some solutions.

  141. March 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Here’s a new quote of the day:

    “Courthouse security guard Dante Chelossi, who screens visitors and their belongings for weapons, has a clear view of all the activities in front of the courthouse. He said it’s typically not the occupiers who create situations where law enforcement officials need to be called.

    ”We never really have a problem with the protesters,” Chelossi said. “We’ve heard protesters complain about (the homeless and mentally ill).” “

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