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First, Fortuna police shoot, kill man Friday morning. Details at the Times-Standard, LoCO.

Second, former Blue Lake chief Dave Gunderson found not guilty of felonies by a state court of appeals. Story in the Arcata Eye.

[Image found on rear windshield of vehicle in Eureka. A devil and angel — both sporting high heels and gravity-defying breasts — are shown projectile pissing on the Eureka Police Department for killing Zachary Cooke in 2007.]

  1. Anonymous
    March 18, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Another view of the cookie monster. First hit with Google.

  2. Just Watchin
    March 18, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Given their trajectory, I’d say the devil and angel are preop trannys.

  3. HUUFC
    March 18, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Everybody should see the fat slobs driving the minivan billboard.

  4. High Finance
    March 18, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Zach was a poor mixed-up kid who fell under a very bad influence and fired a shot gun at the cops.

    Shame on those who use his tragic death for their political aims.

  5. March 18, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Cooke pepper sprayed his victims as he robbed them. Kind of an asshole move. But I guess it’s nice to see HiFi find compassion for someone other than his heroes on Wall Street.

  6. Anon
    March 18, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Zachary Cooke . . . the “teenager” who was firing a shotgun at police when they tried to arrest him for multiple armed robberies. That he was firing a shotgun is so conveniently forgotten or left out by those who would make him a victim and a martyr. Poor poor Zachary, shot at the police who had the audacity to shoot back. Imagine.

  7. March 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    That he was firing a shotgun is so conveniently forgotten or left out by those who would make him a victim and a martyr.

    I’ve seen that car driving around town, usually with two girls in it near Henderson Center. It always makes me wonder just what kind of people those two gals are?

  8. Anonymous
    March 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Cooke was doomed from the start, just look who his dad was, his 1/2 brother! Not that it excuses touching a shotgun off at a cop.

  9. Anonymous
    March 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Shame on those who use his tragic death for their political aims.

    Shame on people who don’t believe in personal responsibility. Mixed up kid? That’s a rosy view. It’s not pretty how you revise history to be more to your liking.

  10. Mitch
    March 19, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Wow. I’ve just watched the awesome video on Occupy Eureka and its opponents that was put together by Charles Douglas and Gabriele Fellows.


    It is so much better than the crap from our “professional” journalists that there is really no comparison. What a pleasant surprise to discover there are excellent journalists in Humboldt County after all.

    Perhaps it shouldn’t come as a surprise that they are not affiliated with any of the pathetic advertising-crowd-gatherers that pretend to “report” “news.”

    Thank you, Gabriele Fellows and Charles Douglas. Excellent, impressive work!

  11. Mitch
    March 19, 2012 at 8:22 am


    IMO, the video I mention just above would rate a story on the Herald. It’s local and it explores the issues in a far more thoughtful way than the corpse has.

  12. Mitch
    March 19, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Was Gundersen found not guilty?

    I thought the conviction was tossed due to judicial error. That means he can be retried. It’s not that evidence has appeared clearing him, or that any of the evidence at trial was found to be incorrect.

    Is he legally innocent until proven guilty? Yes, of course. Does that mean he’s been “cleared?” No, of course not, despite the headline in the eye. The question now is whether he will be retried.

  13. Dave
    March 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Thanks for sharing the video link Mitch!

    I liked the way Gabriele & Charles let the people tell their story, giving them a voice they wouldn’t have otherwise.

    The bottom line to me is Free Speech. All Americans should have a voice in this society.

    The process isn’t pretty sometimes…but life isn’t always pretty either.

  14. tra
    March 19, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    The video montage by Douglas and Fellows seems to focus mostly on clips highlighting the homelessness-related aspects of what is going on down there. The video begins with the question “What is Occupy Eureka?” and seems to imply that the answer is that it’s mostly about homeless people just looking for something to eat, a place to hang out, and maybe a place to sleep. At least that’s the impression I got from the video.

    James Decker’s recent photos…


    …contain some images that fit with that narrative, including the clutter that seems to have proliferated in recent days, as the task of trying to keep both protest-related items and personal property dry in the context of a continuous 24 hour vigil, has collided with the reality of heavy winter rains. And one of the photos, featuring a large banner on the fence promising “free soup” probably also reinforces the image of the Occupy site as a kind of open-air soup-kitchen and de facto homeless (non)shelter.

    But Decker’s photos also provide images of various banners and signs held by protesters, or propped up, or hung on the fence, which serve as a reminder of some of the sentiments that spawned the Occupy movement in the first place: Opposition to corporate and government corruption, support for human rights, opposition to war, and so on.

    Decker is a participant in, and advocate for, the Occupy Eureka vigil, whereas Douglas is a journalist and therefore would ordinarily be expected to end up with a fuller, more objective account of the situation. However, it seems to me that it is actually Decker’s photos that, in the end, more accurately and fully convey the complexity of the situation.

  15. Mitch
    March 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    James Decker’s photos are good, too. Thanks for the link, tra.


    It does seem to me that Occupy Eureka, for better or worse, has turned into a question of whether the “cleanies” listen to the “dirties,” as one of the memorable speakers in the video aptly put it.

    There’s more to Occupy, sure, but I thought the video captured the key question of Occupy Eureka dead-on.

  16. Anonymous
    March 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    “Douglas is a journalist and therefore would ordinarily be expected to end up with a fuller, more objective account of the situation. However, it seems to me that it is actually Decker’s photos that, in the end, more accurately and fully convey the complexity of the situation.” TRA

    I must agree.

    While Charles Douglas occasionally provides a critical public service in video-documentation, his “reporting” style, and many videos are gratuitously hostile and vindictive. Like Hank Sims, their websites are heavy on yellow journalism, slathered with endless crime, devoid of informational context and big-picture relevance.

    This county, especially Eureka, desperately needs no-nonsense, public-interest reporting.

  17. Anonymous
    March 19, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    If we accept that “Wielding A Baton” is punishable by death, it won’t be long before we return to the old-days of armed protesters.

    At least, we need to require more close-range target practice from our officers.

  18. Mitch
    March 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm


    Did you see the video I linked? While I can’t really respond to your description, being relatively unfamiliar with Douglas and Fellows, I don’t find it to match your description at all.

  19. suzy blah blah
    March 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Douglas is a journalist and therefore would ordinarily be expected to end up with a fuller, more objective account of the situation

    -“ordinarily expected”, maybe, but for me the video’s attraction is in its subjectivity. It’s got an easy going rhythm, nice style. I think they should run with what they’re good at. More subjectivity, more satire, more humor. More style. Subjective truth. Maybe some profanity. Think Michael Moore, Hunter S. Thompson. Let someone else do the expected.

  20. High Finance
    March 19, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Has 2.36pm ever held or touched a Baton ?

    They are as hard as steel. You may as well be swinging a metal bar. They’re dangerous as hell in the wrong hands.

  21. March 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    High Finance says: And I ask,

    Dangerous enough to justify lethal force? If so, just remember it works the same way when that baton is in the hands of the police. Self-defense against criminals is still a legal right in this country. Or is it?

  22. tra
    March 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm


    Fair enough. And I do enjoy the humorous spin the Sentinel puts on some of the stories they cover, for example the story last week about the police rounding up shopping carts:

    Special Operation Rescues Imperiled Shopping Carts”

    Several dozen shopping carts will be sleeping safely back in their parking lot racks, thanks to a “citywide special operation” conducted by the Eureka Police Department today…


    I responded in the Sentinel’s comments section, but it appears it didn’t make it through moderation. Not sure if that was an oversight, or if they were afraid someone would fail to recognize the satire 9the last paragraph surely ought to be a dead giveaway, right?)..or maybe they just didn’t think it was funny. Anyway, judge for yourself:

    “I can hardly wait for tomorrow’s report:

    Dateline: Arcata, CA

    Joint UPD/APD Raids Yield Dozens of Arrests for Possession of Stolen Milk-Crates.

    Federal Charges Possible: Many of the Stolen Crates Were Apparently Transported Across State Lines.

    University Police and Arcata Police Department sweep through HSU dorms and nearby apartments, recovering more than 650 stolen milkcrates and charging 42 students with possession of stolen property.

    Police sources say APD and UPD police and the Humboldt County DA have contacted U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag after discovering that many of those found in possession of the stolen crates had apparently transported them across state lines for the purposes of using the stolen property to carry out elaborate temporary shelving and personal property storage schemes. In a few cases, the stolen items had been repurposed as a rudimentary form of furniture, said one police source, who requested anonymity.

    A number of local thrift stores and church basement rummage sales were also caught up in the sweep, after several students agreed to turn states evidence against individuals that local authorities believe may have willingly received and distributed several of the stolen milk-crates, and who, officials said, may eventually face Federal Racketeering charges for their role in the crimes.

    In related news, a gaggle of geese and several dozen ducks were arrested at a local pond today, after a sting operation in which undercover officers offered bread to the aquatic suspects, who knowingly accepted the bread without first ensuring that had not been stolen from a store.

  23. Anonymous
    March 19, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Sometimes you do have to cast the first stone and over and over

  24. High Finance
    March 19, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    Yes Joe, dangerous enough to warrant lethel force for a cop protecting another cop.

    And NO, it does not work both ways. Otherwise, next time you need help call your local meth freak instead. That statement tells us a lot about you and none of it good.

  25. A-nony-mouse
    March 19, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    For one moment there, I thought I was going to agree with HiFi. Wait! Maybe I do. The report said they Tasered the guy,hit him with battons, tried every reasonable (and maybe unreasonable) way to subdue him. There is only one way I know of that a person becomes so insensitive to Tasers and blunt force. That way is to be jacked up on Meth. It makes people numb to pain. I would be willing to bet (in a metaphorical way, anyway) that tests will show this poor lad was pretty methed up (a lisp?). While that mat or may not justify shooting, it certainly can explain why it might have been the only option left.

  26. suzy blah blah
    March 19, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    tra, if suzy were a shopping cart i totally wouldn’t wanna be confined to the store all day with maybe a few short outings to the parking lot. I would love to be liberated and taken out on the town. I could help someone carry the heavy weight of daily living. Granted, i’m not all that attractive and they might not want to hug me, but they could lean on me, even ride me occasionally if they weren’t too overbearing on my petite frame. Like an old cowboy’s horse who knows the way home when dude falls asleep late at night, i could … well i guess i couldn’t get them “home” … but i could easily lead them to the courthouse.

  27. tra
    March 19, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Today’s Times-Standard has an excellent article dealing with the belated-but-welcome assistance of actual health and mental health professionals to help deal with actual health and mental health issues among some of the homeless and/or mentally ill people who have been hanging out at the courthouse and whose problem behaviors have been blamed on the Occupy Eureka protesters.


    Note the quote from the courthouse security guard:

    Courthouse security guard Dante Chelossi, who screens visitors and their belongings for weapons, has a clear view of all the activities in front of the courthouse. He said it’s typically not the occupiers who create situations where law enforcement officials need to be called. ”We never really have a problem with the protesters,” Chelossi said.

  28. Anonymous
    March 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    To Joe Blow:
    No. It does not work the same way when the baton is in the hand of police. Police are trained in a baton’s proper use, including defensive tactics, strikes, and jabs. Additionally, they are trained in WHERE on the body they can use a baton strike (google “Monadnock Baton Chart”).
    An untrained suspect using a baton against an officer to injur him/her cannot be equated to a trained cop using a baton to make an arrest of a combative suspect.

  29. SmokeMonster
    March 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Since a baton is hard as steel as hi-fi puts it as well as anon 10:31 description of how well trained the police are at using batons………

    Can someone explain why an EPD officer murdered a young teenager with a knife and I believe is still on the force?

    I mean why even chase a kid into a gulch,they knew who he was,so he got away from you charge him for it later,what an ego someone must have!
    For a grown man to chase down a kid alone into a gulch and claim self defense murder THAT is the reason Zach Cooke was strapped and willing to shoot.

    After seeing EPD get away with annihilating Sheri Moore and slaughtering the other kid in the gulch, kids and women should be ready to defend themselves from murls posse

    Not to make that kid out as an angel because I didn’t know him,obviously he’d had a rough life by seeing his mom in the news after.

  30. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 12:28 am

    “Slaughtering the other kid”? You mean the “kid” who was over 6′ and weighed 185 pounds? The “kid” who was holding a 10-inch butcher knife when he rushed at the officer?

    Why are so many people willing to ignore the dangerous and threatening behavior exhibited by this “kid”? A rough life? Maybe. Probably. But he was responsible for his own choices that day.

    Did the pursuing officer need to be stabbed before being allowed to defend himself?

    As for why the officer pursued him, that’s what we pay them to do. Catch the bad guys. Can you imagine if all cops just let people go so they can “catch them later”? Fantasyland. Get real.

  31. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Smokemonster, you’re leaving out facts, twisting or adding your own version. You are an asshole. But of course this is America and you have the constituional right to be an asshole.

  32. March 20, 2012 at 8:48 am

    If this classy window-sticker memorial is supposed to inspire a sense of loss for the violent, reckless “victim” of the police, it’s a very poor attempt.

  33. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    The kid’s name was Christopher Burgess, he was a funny, kind, gentle soul. His crime at school which landed him on probation was chronic truancy (tardiness) and possesion of a novelty zipper pull switchblade, it was about 1 inch long. He was criminalized by the school district, SARBed, put on a contract, which he violated because he rode his bike to school in the rain and was basically 10 years old taking care of himself, and put in juvenile hall for breaking the rules. These kids are marked by the school district when they are young and criminilized. He was a good, fine, funny, sweet, wonderful boy with a beautiful spirit, I worked with him throughout his life. Christopher Burgess’ murder was just that MURDER, he was not waving a gun, he was not strapped and I will never believe he ever confronted an officer face to face (he would absolutely run away, that was his nature). The officer was never held accountable and under our system never will be. For this, I hope there is a god and a saint peter and a trapdoor because somehow there has to be some accountability.

    I can not help but think if Officer Liles had ever known Chris, met him, seen how gentle and funny he was, he never would have killed him. The us vs them, good guys bad guys, haves and have nots etc separating people from childhood is driving this community apart. It is time to stop!

  34. Harold Knight
    March 20, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Thanks Anon 12:11.

    Only one (?) of Eureka’s multiple and fatal police-shooting victims were actually shooting at police?

    “Police are trained in a baton’s proper use”.

    It’s their marksmanship that’s been the problem.

    Being shot in an extremity takes 99.9% down. If not, you can fire another in a fraction of a second.

    In my frank conversations with Eureka’s police chiefs, many officers become bored with ho-hum Eureka, and occasionally “go looking for trouble”, ie, confrontational attitudes, random stops, unwarranted searches, chases, physical abuse, wrongful shootings, you name it.

    Look what just happened in Florida to another unarmed black teen with no charges filed against the “Neighborhood Watch” shooter…so far, shielded by the growing “us-against-them” pack-mentality of our nation’s understaffed, under-trained law enforcement agencies.

    Our record number of police-shootings is inexcusable.

  35. High Finance
    March 20, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “Being shot in an extremity”

    You have been watching too many cheap movies. Join the real world.

  36. March 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    “Being shot in an extremity takes 99.9% down. If not, you can fire another in a fraction of a second.”

    This is a common, but fatuous notion, probably a result of watching lots of exciting westerns. When a real-life police officer fires his weapon, his goal is to hit the criminal in the torso.

  37. Mitch
    March 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    If you are raising your hand to slam a wooden or metal baton into a police officer’s head and there is an armed police officer nearby, it seems like a safe assumption the officer is not going to aim for your shoes to smudge them, or for your hand to knock the baton out of it.

    March 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Protect and serve… I have NOT seen it. Intimadate, threaten, assualt, steal, falseify reports…KILL…..YEP!

  39. Harold Knight
    March 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “This is a common, but fatuous notion, probably a result of watching lots of exciting westerns.”

    Wow, so very wrong!

    In real life, being hit by a bullet, or by a fist sends a victim to the ground with few exceptions. Movie over….

    I concede I was not there. Neither were any of you.

    Following numerous incidents of fatal police shootings that rank Eureka among the highest in the nation, (where a bullet to an extremity would have sufficed)….it’s prudent to wonder.

  40. Harold Knight
    March 20, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “Protect and serve… I have NOT seen it.”

    I believe Eureka removed that from its police vehicles some years ago.

  41. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 3:02 pm


    I think the point people are trying to make is it’s just not all that easy to shoot with enough accuracy to reliably strike someone in the arm or leg, particularly when that arm or leg is moving.

  42. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Harold, I think the point people people are trying to make is that it’s just that not easy to hit an arm or leg, especially when that arm or leg is in motion. Moving targets are always hard to hit, and the smaller the target is, the harder it is to hit. Which is why, from my understanding, police officers are trained that if they are going to shoot, they are supposed to shoot at the torso.

  43. toPlainJane
    March 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    tra, when your stuff is being stolen, chime in.

  44. Anonymous
    March 20, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Harold Knight, you are uniformed and an idiot! OK, and a moron. Yes I am calling you names. But they are all accurate.

  45. Harold Knight
    March 20, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    By all means, if you have no time to aim, shoot to kill.

    Worry about by-standers later. Was the perp a lethal threat? No matter, he was probably “low life” anyway…..who cares? Even a lame “Neighborhood Watch” volunteer is being shielded by this kind of lunacy in Florida.

    Wrongful Shootings, their effective immunity from prosecution, and the public settlements that typically follow, has made a monster that threatens all.

    Local and national statistics speak for themselves and they are shameful.

  46. Harold Knight
    March 20, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    The facts surrounding of this shooting are yet to be revealed. It’s prudent to question every shooting.

  47. March 21, 2012 at 11:41 am

    So a 9mm handgun is NOT a deadly weapon when and because the police are “trained” to shoot the “untrained suspect” in the knee. So, why did the police kill the guy then, when he could have just as easily and effectively shot the guy in the knee? A deadly weapon is a deadly weapon no matter who uses it. I keep asking the question, what makes the cops lives so much more valuable than everyone else, even “local meth freaks”?

  48. March 21, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    How does this imaginary marksman-cop shoot a guy in the knee when the suspect is on top of the cop’s partner? Again, when police fire their weapons, they intend to hit the torso. Why do you two insist on asserting your ignorant opinions as facts?

  49. tra
    March 21, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Much more detailed information available in today’s Times-Standard:


    The article contains differing opinions on the issue of batons (nightsticks) being considered less-than-lethal-force when used by police, but at the same time being described as a deadly weapon, and therefore justifying a deadly response, when wielded by suspects.

    The article also notes that there was at least one independent, non-police witness, and that this witness and both of the officers have all been interviewed. Presumably the account given in this article, about how the incident apparently unfolded is based on these interviews.

    The article also notes that this is believed to be the first time Fortuna PD has ever had an officer-involved shooting incident which ended in a fatality.

    Other points that caught by

  50. tra
    March 21, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    That was going to say “Other points that caught my attention were…” but got cut off. Anyway folks should just go ahead and read the Times-Standard article.

  51. March 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Joel is right.

  52. Harold Knight
    March 21, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “Experts disagree on the facts”…but Joel and Rose are in perfect agreement!


    The LA County police training expert wonders why officers didn’t “regroup” since none of the suspect’s actions warranted the first attempted-arrest.

    “Almost hitting an officer with his own baton” is not punishible by death.

    If an officer was close-range….and so confident that his bullets would not exit the suspect and kill the other officer, or a pedestrian, he could have avoided well placed kill-shots.

    For anyone paying attention, these kinds of unwarranted arrests and shootings are becoming far too common.

  53. Anonymous
    March 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    A few years ago we had a retired Sheriff deputy suffering dementia entering the back yards of various homes along Martin Slough determined to blame every occupant of targeting his home with a pellet gun.

    He was barefoot, in his underwear, in the pouring rain, in close radio contact with EPD aiding in his illegal “search”. My wife was absolutely terrified.

    Law enforcement’s selective “us-them” enforcement couldn’t be clearer.

  54. Anonymous
    March 21, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    SmokeMonster actually knows less than nothing about the Burgess/Liles shooting.

  55. March 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    More news on Dave the Wonder Chief.


  56. March 21, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    More wonder cops:

    he Humboldt County District Attorney’s Office keeps a list of “Brady officers,” or officers who have character and honesty issues to the extent that they warrant disclosure to the defendants in every case in which they are involved. The DA has declined to release the list, but here are a few officers who have recently run afoul of the law and could consequently be on the list:

    * Daniel Kalis, a former EPD officer recently charged with nine criminal counts, including drug possession, petty theft and false imprisonment, some of which were allegedly committed in the line of duty.

    * Joe Marsh, a Humboldt County Sheriff’s deputy charged with felony child endangerment, a special allegation of inflicting great bodily injury while committing a felony and possession of dangerous fireworks without a permit stemming from a July 4 fireworks accident that maimed him and a 10-year-old girl.

    * Gary Fork, a former Humboldt County correctional officer who pleaded guilty in December to having sexual relations with an inmate and aiding her escape.

    * Benjamen Edward Jentry-Rakestraw, a former Humboldt County correctional officer who pleaded guilty in 2009 to smuggling contraband (heroin) into jail.

    * David Gundersen, former Blue Lake police chief, convicted in 2008 of illegally possessing a submachine gun and a pistol with a silencer, as well as 11 counts of misdemeanor battery that were later set aside due to statute of limitations.


    Former Eureka police officer mulling plea deal; terms of DA’s office not disclosed in felony case
    Thadeus Greenson/The Times-Standard
    Posted: 08/26/2011 02:10:12 AM PDT

    A former Eureka police officer facing drug and theft charges is considering accepting a plea agreement, the details of which have not been made public.

    Appearing in Humboldt County Superior Court Thursday, Daniel “Danny” Kalis asked that future court dates in his case be pushed back a couple of weeks so he and his attorney will have time to review a plea offer from the District Attorney’s Office.

    ”I anticipate we do have a resolution, I just request a bit more time to review the offer,” Kalis’ attorney Marek Reavis told the court.

    Reavis and Deputy District Attorney Nicole Bockleman were not immediately available to comment for this story Thursday.

    Kalis, who was hired by the Eureka Police Department in 2004, resigned his position in April amid an internal affairs investigation into allegations of misconduct. Kalis was arrested later that month and now faces charges of vandalism, false imprisonment, unlawful communication with a prisoner, petty theft, the unlawful disclosure of Department of Motor Vehicle records, the unauthorized access of a computer network and possessing heroin, marijuana and a controlled substance without a prescription.

    The Times-Standard also learned that Kalis worked as an EPD officer for five months with a warrant out for his arrest until being placed on administrative leave March 7. The warrant was issued in September 2010 after Kalis failed to appear in court to be arraigned on misdemeanor charges that he was fishing without a license in a closed river in 2009.

    After being hired in 2004, Kalis rose to the rank of detective at EPD before apparently being demoted back to patrol after the fishing allegations arose, according to court records.

    A number of the current charges facing Kalis are alleged to have been committed while he was on duty at EPD, according to the DA’s Office, and the alleged victim in the vandalism and false imprisonment charges is his ex-wife.

    Kalis is scheduled to appear back in court Sept. 21 for a preliminary hearing, if the case hasn’t reached a resolution before then.

    Thadeus Greenson can be reached at 441-0509 or tgreenson@times-standard.com.

  57. March 21, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    There was also another former Police Chief in Trinidad who “fell in love” with a 14 year old girl and was convicted of statutory rape.

    There was also a former Ferndale Police Chief that lost his job because of his sexual abuse of a boy.

    Those news reports disappeared off of the web. After that I started keeping track of the stories I have read.

  58. March 21, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Mr. Knight, you are one persistent ignoramus. The shooting a suspect when he has overpowered a police officer’s partner is hardly the carrying out of a death sentence.

    Why don’t we assume that the officer did the best he could under the circumstances? Unless there is evidence to the contrary, your vigorously goofy assertions are not helpful.

  59. Harold Knight
    March 21, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    “The shooting (of) a suspect when he has overpowered a police officer’s partner is hardly the carrying out of a death sentence.” (Joel Mielke).

    Is there a place we can meet to try out your brilliant theory….oh non-“ignoramous”-one?

    Anyone paying attention to the national, and local, spike in fatal and wrongful police shootings is wise to question every one of them.

    It’s not my fault you agree with Rose.

    Settle down.

  60. Anonymous
    March 21, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    “Almost hitting a policeman with his own baton is not punishable by death”.


    Our “public servants” have been doing that to protesters forever.

  61. March 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    I didn’t present anything remotely like a “theory.” As for “a place we can meet,” sorry, but I’d rather not.

  62. Harold Knight
    March 21, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Honest to God Joel, you, (and Rose who is usually concerned about needless expenditures of public funds), are not bothered by the glaring questions raised by L.A. County’s former police training Sgt. and qualified witness on police use of force?

    “The bigger question is whether officers should have wound up in a violent confrontation with the suspect to begin with.”

    “The right thing to do would have been to regroup.”

    “They know who this guy is. They know his background. If they let him go, what’s the worst that could happen? Was it even necessary to try to detain this guy?” (Robert Feliciano).

    Joel’s implied theory that it’s justifiable to shoot and kill someone for overpowering a police officer….with the additional charge of “aggravated POTENTIAL of hitting an officer with a baton”…..is nothing short of obscene.

    By all means Mr. Mielke and Ms. Rose, don’t allow the numerous questions raised by an expert to interfere with your egos.

    I’m sure thousands of families victimized by needless and wrongful police killings will be gratified that they were not “death sentences”.

  63. March 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    “Joel’s implied theory”? Jesus, Harold, you are unendingly obtuse. Just like the right-wing nuts I usually tangle with, you invent an argument, attribute it to me, and then oppose it.

    Shut the fuck up and apply for a job in law enforcement, since you think you’re so good at it.

  64. Harold Knight
    March 22, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    “Why don’t we assume that the officer did the best he could under the circumstances? Unless there is evidence to the contrary, your vigorously goofy assertions are not helpful.” (Joel Mielke).

    In spite of a law enforcement expert’s series of questions about this avoidable tragedy, your ego persists?

    By all means…continue.

  65. March 22, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Yes, “a law enforcement expert,” or an “expert” of any sort always settles the difficult questions. Just ask Fox News.

    Like I said, shut the fuck up and apply for a job in law enforcement, since you think you’re so good at it.

  66. Harold Knight
    March 22, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Silly fool, you “settled” your “assumptions” for yourself long before and, apparently, long after an expert provided sobering questions you refuse to acknowledge.

    Please, don’t “shut the fuck up” unbridled egos are astounding to behold.

  67. March 22, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Oh, for crying out loud. FOX News has nothing to do with this.

  68. SmokeMonster
    March 23, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Joel- how classy, maybe you should shut the fuck up as you repeatedly post and apply for a job as a real cartoonist.

    Let us know when any real piece of journalism picks up your cocktail napkin doodles

  69. March 23, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    I can’t decide which of these last three comments is the more lamebrained. Such fierce competition.

  70. Harold Knight
    March 23, 2012 at 8:27 pm


  71. Harold Knight
    March 24, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “Why don’t we assume that the officer did the best he could under the circumstances? Unless there is evidence to the contrary, your vigorously goofy assertions are not helpful.” (Joel Mielke).

    “The bigger question is whether officers should have wound up in a violent confrontation with the suspect to begin with.”

    “The right thing to do would have been to regroup.”

    “They know who this guy is. They know his background. If they let him go, what’s the worst that could happen? Was it even necessary to try to detain this guy?” (Robert Feliciano).

    And with this, Mr. Mielke’s “assumptions” remain “settled”.

    In for a penny, in for a pound.

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