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Supes to Consider Courthouse Emergency Ordinance Tuesday

Humboldt CountyThe Humboldt County Board of Supervisors will consider an urgency ordinance “to Address Health and Safety Issues at the Humboldt County Courthouse” at its meeting on Tuesday.

The ordinance would make it a violation of the law to be on the grounds of the Courthouse from 9:30 PM to 6 AM, with exceptions for people attending public meetings or being released from the jail or walking to or from a vehicle parked in the parking lot.

Among other things, the ordinance would make it illegal to erect a temporary windbreak, awning, or similar structure; to secure any object to county property or run a string across county property or put a self-stabilized object on county property.

The language of the ordinance is here:


Update:  Quotation marks removed from the words “Emergency Ordinance” in the headline.  It’s an urgency ordinance, declared as such due to the supposed existence of an emergency.  See comments section.

  1. High Finance
    March 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    The mess in front of the Courthouse will only grow worse unless the BOS grows a backbone and does something. The longer they wait, the worse it will get.

    You cannnot call it a protest just because the bums and the mentally ill grab a sign.

  2. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Hmm, let’s see . Free syringes, straps and cookers for the junkies, a drug rehabb on every corner . A drunk running for council and alcohol or substance abuse homes all over . Homeless motels on Broadway with free cigarettes so the addicts can stand outside all day and smoke . Bums at the Courthouse . Abandoned and junk vehicles littering our neighborhoods . Welcome to, Eureka .

  3. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    I guess it worked, they occupied the courthouse lawn and now a law is passed making more restrictions and laws, pretty soon you will have to have a permit to do anything, a liberal dream.

  4. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Read the complaints from people who’ve been harassed and threatened by the people hanging out at the Courthouse. Part of the American Dream is to be able to walk around your own town without being menaced. Occupy Eureka’s big mistake was not kicking those menacing people out as soon as they tried to sneak in. Occupy Eureka is now permanently stained by the misbehavior of its most anti-social hangers-on.

  5. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Read, anonymous at 1:36 pm . Sounds like it was stained long before the anti – socials ever got to the Courthouse .

  6. March 25, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    The OWS protestors are lawfully exercising their 1st Amendment Right to Free Speech and now the Board of Supervisors is considering making laws and regulations to undermine that right. When they took office, didn’t they swear to uphold the Constitution, not undermine it? If people are not allowed to protest, what is the alternative, revolt? What the Board of Supervisors is considering is foolishness. As far as menacing people, I have seen the protestors menaced and harassed as well, and they are just as American and have the same rights as anyone else. Police have deprived them of their property without any intention of returning it, which is the legal definition of stealing. The corruption of our local government is one of the reasons of the OWS protest to begin with.

  7. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm


    The Humboldt County Board of Supervisors plans to vote away people’s Constitutional right to expression and assembly at the courthouse. The so-called “emergency ordinance” is on their agenda for Tuesday March 27th and if voted for, would immediately go into effect.


    Join a determined movement in opposition to this attack on free speech starting Monday with a breakfast followed by music, and then a dinner at 5PM. Afterwards, feel welcome to attend the Occupy Eureka General Assembly at 6 PM. Later in the night there will be a candlelight vigil for the right to use the traditional space in front of the courthouse. If you can, stay overnight for Tuesday’s action. If not, come back Tuesday morning!

    The Tuesday Board of Supervisors’ meeting begins at 9AM and must be greeted by a presence of community opposition. Be there at 8AM to declare that such attacks on civil liberties will not be tolerated. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” Now is the time to stand up, before standing up is outlawed. We cannot afford to lose our fundamental First Amendment rights.

    According to this proposed ordinance, no group (Women in Black, Labor Unions, Vets for Peace, CopWatch, Church Groups, Political Parties, etc) would be allowed to hang their banners, flags or signs. No one would be allowed to put up a temporary wind or rain break. No one would be allowed to put up a temporary stage (“self-standing structure”). No candlelight vigils past 9:30pm. No sharing food. No one could stake a sign or flag in the grass or planter. Would large groups gathered at the courthouse be considered “interfering with the flow of pedestrians”? What if a group wanted to protest on the grass? Would that be considered “damaging the vegetation”? Would putting your purse or backpack or literature down on the bench or ground be considered “illegally storing personal property”?

    We need to ALL come together on Monday and Tuesday to PREVENT this dangerous and repressive law from being passed! DEMOCRACY CANNOT DEFEND ITSELF.

    Monday, March 26th:
    Breakfast starts 7:30am
    Music All Day
    Dinner at 5:00pm
    Occupy Eureka General Assembly at 6:00pm
    Candlelight Vigil at 9:00pm (going until morning)

    Tuesday, March 27th:
    Gather BIG before Board of Supervisors meeting 8:00am
    Fill Board of Supervisors Meeting @ 9:00am
    Possible actions depending on decision reached by Board of Supervisors

    All groups and individuals bring your signs, megaphones, instruments, candles!

  8. Utah Phillips
    March 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    “The state can’t give you freedom, and the state can’t take it away. You’re born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free…”

  9. High Finance
    March 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Let the “protestors” poop, pee & trash your houses and then lets see who noble & understanding you are Asa, 2.54pm and Utah.

    These people aren’t protesting anything except that everybody has more than they do. Today the sun is shining so they’re having a good ol’ time out there.

  10. Just sayin'
    March 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    I see different outlets interchanging “emergency” and “urgency.” “Urgency” is correct. They have different connotations and it’s misleading to say it is an “emergency” ordinance.

  11. March 25, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Here is a video for my Democratic friends to watch if their memories of Wisconsin are dimming:

    Our Supes are about to criminalize democracy.

    have a peaceful day,

  12. Mitch
    March 25, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Just sayin,

    It’s an urgency ordinance, in response to a condition which supposedly meets the dictionary definition of an emergency. That is, the ordinance states it is pursuant to Government Code Section 25123 (d), which reads as follows:

    25123. All ordinances shall become effective 30 days from the date of final passage, except the following ordinances, which shall take
    effect immediately:
    …(d) Those for the immediate preservation of the public peace,
    health, or safety, which shall contain a declaration of the facts
    constituting the urgency, and shall be passed by a four-fifths vote
    of the board of supervisors.

    I guess “urgency” doesn’t sound as scary as emergency, but “a need for immediate preservation of the public peace, health, or safety” constitutes an emergency. That’s why, in the case of an urgency ordinance, the 30 day period prior to the ordinance taking effect is waived. Because waiving that 30 day period is a very serious matter, the ordinance is required to explain the “urgency” and requires a four-fifths vote.

  13. Giggles
    March 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm


  14. Gil Yule
    March 25, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    The 1st Amendment prohibits the making of any law interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

    Which part of that doesn’t the Board of Supervisors get? I realize and agree the Occupy movement protest at the courthouse is inconvenient and creates some problems (I am sympathetic to some of their myriad causes but take exception to many of their tactics) but existing, legally written laws cover all that. The actions the Board are considering fly in the face of our Constitution and are simply begging for easily won lawsuits against the county and adding even more expense to the strained coffers of the County of Humboldt…and are wrong minded.

    Getting a permit to protest flies in the face of being an American.

  15. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Has anybody considered that these people have always been somewhere? Usually they are hanging out in front of downtown businesses, begging and otherwise making problems for those around them. Or, pooping and peeing on the banks.

    What better place to demonstrate than in front of the government offices that are supposed to be taking care of them? Why is it all of a sudden a great big deal now that they are in front of government buildings? Are they suddenly more unpaletable wanting to demonstrate for jobs? I think that they are right to be where they are. Who knows, maybe someone will see that people need jobs.

  16. Anonymous
    March 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    I have demonstrated in front of the Courthouse many times over the years and on behalf of many fine, usually progressive causes. I have never felt it necessary to either poop or pee on County property while protesting anything in that location.

  17. Mitch
  18. March 25, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    “Poop” and “pee”? HiFi’s appears to be younger than we may have thought.

  19. What Now
    March 25, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Joel Mielke says:
    March 25, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    “Poop” and “pee”? HiFi’s appears to be younger than we may have thought.

    Chronologically, Highly Fried is a graying community resident, Joel.
    Emotionnally, he’s a terminal adolescent.
    His concern with the riff raff out and around HIS courthouse is that such unruly groups of us less worthy and undesireable proles prohibit him from being carried about the streets in his covered sedan chair when the weather isn’t too inclement for his royal and superior constitution.

  20. Anon
    March 26, 2012 at 3:07 am

    To Anonymous 8:42-
    You ask, “What better place to demonstrate than in front of the government offices that are supposed to be taking care of them?”

    Since when is it the job of the government to “take care” of people? Sadly, we have become a nation of victims.
    But more specifically, what government department in the courthouse do you thing is supposed to take care of them? The planning department? Revenue recovery? Vital records? You see, the Department of Health and Human Services is not in the courthouse. Perhaps these “occupiers” could go hang out in front of DHHS.

  21. Anonymous
    March 26, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Is that the best you can come up with Joel ?

  22. just middle class
    March 26, 2012 at 8:11 am

    The Board will pass an emergency ordinance on Tuesday because the vast majority of their constituents are very tired of the mess in front of the courthouse. The “protest” has morphed into a movement on the right to camp. Government can place limits on the expression of speech, as has happened in most every other area. Humboldt has been more tolerant than most. The limits in the ordinance ore reasonable.

  23. High Finance
    March 26, 2012 at 8:13 am

    What you fools who support the current mess in front of the Courthouse fail to understand is that these people aren’t “demonstrators” of any kind.

    They are there because they have no place in particular to go or anything to do so they can flip us off by camping out in the most public place in town.

  24. Mitch
    March 26, 2012 at 8:16 am


    What does the ordinance have to do with the right to camp? Have you read it?

    I don’t believe there is any right to pitch a tent and sleep at the Courthouse, by the way, just as I don’t think there’s any right to pitch a tent and sleep at a neighborhood playground.

    But that doesn’t mean I support an ordinance that would criminalize a person’s presence at the Courthouse at night, or criminalize putting a signpost in the lawn, as I’ve done myself.

  25. just middle class
    March 26, 2012 at 8:22 am

    I have read the ordinance and it restricts the hours of protest and restricts certain behaviors, that include “camping”.

  26. Mitch
    March 26, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Very good, jmc. I’d like to pass a law that forbids littering. It will also forbid speaking in public, and outlaws the Republican Party. But the important thing is that it forbids littering. Are you with me?

  27. Anonymous
    March 26, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Hey anon 3:07, what is the point of having a government if it is not to take care of the people? As others have said before me I don’t like what I see at the courthouse these days. The people there, however, are, in many cases, on the lowest rung of the ladder of society. If they weren’t there they would go back to the weeds along the edge of the bay and would be moved along by Chief Merl and his crews. We have laws against harassment that cover that issue. Arrest individuals that break that law. We have laws against people relieving themselves in public. Hold those individuals who do such unsavory things accountable and arrest them as well if they break the law. The fence and the long grass behind it give our town and our courthouse the look of a slum. The decision to leave that fence in place instead of holding scofflaws accountable is not only aesthetically displeasing it shows a lack of desire to find a reasonable way to deal with the situation at hand. A new law limiting freedoms is a poor way to deal with a situation that could be handled in a civilized manner that would not infringe on individual rights. I hope the BOS chambers are filled to capacity tomorrow morning by people who may not like what they see when they drive by the Courthouse, but who understand that freedom is not always pretty!

  28. just middle class
    March 26, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Also, Mitch, the “occupiers” have clearly displayed the “give them an inch and they will take a mile” philosophy. If it is allowed to put up a sign, then the question is how big, how long, etc. As soon as the authorities stopped enforcing signs, then everything is covered with signs. If no limit is placed on shelters, then there will be tents everywhere. So limiting protests to essentially daytime and restricting affixing things to public property, is reasonable. Not allowing junk and freerange dogs is also reasonable. If you can’t get your message out within those limits, then you have a problem with your message.

  29. March 26, 2012 at 8:43 am

    “Is that the best you can come up with Joel?”

    Yes, when working with such scant material.

  30. Dan
    March 26, 2012 at 9:03 am

    The most vulgar scene at the
    courthouse is the chain-link.
    Then, the neo-mussolini architecture.
    Then the creepy Homeland Security charade.
    Occupiers are a blessing after that visual blight.

  31. just middle class
    March 26, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Occupiers are not going to change the 1960’s design of the building, and they are the reason for the chain link fence! We all remember the mess they made before the fence.
    This argument reminds me of an angry teenager who is mad because of limits placed because of his own behavior.

  32. March 26, 2012 at 9:23 am

    “Occupiers… they are the reason for the chain link fence!”

    Yes, just as the citizenry is the reason for the Syrian dictatorship’s military offensive.

  33. March 26, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Here once again is the video of the Tea Party courthouse protest. As a person who advocates for multiparty democracy, I am quite ok with the Tea Party having their demos, though I disagree with much (but not all) of their agendas.

    Almost anything you see on this video will be illegal, from the signs hanging from the railings to the tents on the grass to the trampling on grass, the speakers podium on the grass and the flyers plastered to the flagpole. Now I ask any local Tea Party spokesperson who is not embarrassed by their affiliation to come on here and use their real name and tell us that it is ok to criminalize the Tea Party rally.

    have a peaceful day,

  34. Just Middle Class
    March 26, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Now Joel,
    Have you forgotten the huge mess in front of the Courthouse? Tents, garbage, etc;, way to create change in the system. As far as the Tea Party folks, have not seen any camping.

  35. Bolithio
    March 26, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I think this is all ridiculous. The occupiers no longer camp. You can clearly tell who is with the protesting and who is not if you walk around there for a few minutes. If I was Eureka, I would have a cop walk by every hour and keep things “legal”. Thats how you keep junkies from disturbing people – not by stopping unpopular protests.

  36. Jack Sherman
    March 26, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Using High-Numskull’s logic, the poor should have the right not to have to look at the conspicuous consumption, Hummers, and good teeth of the rich because it disturbs the peace for the millions of hard working families torn apart from uninsured illnesses and the bankruptcies, foreclosures and poverty that results.

    If these hypocrites were serious about blight, they would have gotten their good old boy to clean up his mess behind the Eureka Inn long ago.

  37. March 26, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    What I am hoping for is that there are at least two Supes who love Liberty enough to reject this creeping fascism. Emergency ordinances require 4-1 supermajorities to be enacted. It will only take two Supes with real democratic ethics and values to stop it, the other three can pander to the rabid right wingers if need be.

    have a peaceful day,

  38. High Finance
    March 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    What I am hoping for is that there is no more than one supervisor who falls for Bill’s absurd claim these are real protestors.

    To call them “patriots” tells us why you were only a blackjack dealer and never studied history.

    Jack, go ahead a have another drink. Your post of 12.30pm simply doesn’t make sense.

  39. tra
    March 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Even if we were to accept, for the sake of argument, your declaration that none those currently gathering in front of the courthouse are “real” protesters, who will decide in the future whether any given group of people qualify as “real” protesters whose rights to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech can only be limited under the strict rules set forth by the Supreme Court, and which are “fake” protesters who can be dispersed or prosecuted without Constitutional problems? The Sherriff? The DA? The Chief of Police? The City Council? The Board of Supervisors? You? Me?

    Have you even made ANY attempt to think this stuff through, beyond your visceral reaction that you don’t like or approve of these people and therefore they don’t deserve the same rights as “real” protesters, however you define that? The reason I ask is because it certainly doesn’t seem like you’ve really thought any of this through.

  40. March 26, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    I suppose that HiFi believes that “real protestors” must be registered and certified.

  41. Gail Lindemenn
    March 26, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    You waste your time “debating” a non-responsive, provocateur/sophist/liar, who will disappear in response to your best points and reappear in the next string with the identical m.o,. No facts, no citations, just juvenile bile.

  42. anonymous
    March 26, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Let’s just sentence EVERYONE to house arrest between the hours of 6pm and 7 am and be done with it. Curfews are great. If you are not on the job you should be home on the couch.

  43. SmokeMonster
    March 27, 2012 at 12:35 am

    Joel,Mitch,Dan,and Gail should all let Jack and crew set up camp on their front lawns for a few weeks. I’m sure their family and neighbors would understand

  44. Anonymous
    March 27, 2012 at 1:31 am

    Jack S. opened his remarks at the Women’s Club with these powerful words. “Fuck the Police! Fuck the Sheriffs!” His is a powerful hatred.

  45. Mitch
    March 27, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Anonymous 1:31,

    It was, in my opinion, a really dumb way for hiim to make his point, precisely because liars can quote him out of context.

    He immediately followed those six words with a statement about the importance to Americans of being allowed to make such statements. And that is completely true — would you want to live under a regime where peaceful criticism of the authorities could land you in jail?

  46. High Finance
    March 27, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Meanwhile the civility and decorum of society rapidly degrades. Thanks go to to scum like Jack S and their useful idiots like Mitch & Tra.

    Welcome to your new world.

  47. March 27, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Thanks for the wisdom, HiFi, and the daily dose of irony.

  48. High Finance
    March 27, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Sometimes the truth hurts Joel. Get use to it.

  49. tra
    March 27, 2012 at 10:16 am


    I couldn’t help noticing that you didn’t bother to (or perhaps weren’t able to ) answer the question I posed to you at 9:12 last night: Who gets to decide which people or which groups are, as you put it, “real” protesters?

  50. High Finance
    March 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I didn’t answer because it was a stupid question Tra.

    Ask the mentally ill direlicts out in front of the Courthouse yourself what those signs mean and what they want to do.

    We used to have a nice clean courthouse front lawn & steps. Now, unless this ordinance is passed, these bums will never leave.

    What you people have forgotten, it is not YOUR Courthouse. It is OUR Courthouse. The normal people of society have rights also.

  51. tra
    March 27, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    So your answer to my “stupid” question is that I just have to ask people holding signs what the signs mean and what they want to do, and then I will be able to determine whether they are a “real” protester or not? By that measure, I guess the Tea Party clowns with their “keep the gubmint’s hands out uh arr Medicare” signs wouldn’t make the cut either?

  52. High Finance
    March 27, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Your “answer” is anarchy Tra.

    Lovelace just said he thinks they have the authority to reasonably regulate time, place and manner of protests.

    You say anybody can protest anything, anywhere, anytime and in any manner ?

  53. tra
    March 27, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    You say people can protest anything, anywhere, anytime and in any manner ?”

    Are you hallucinating? I never said any such thing. See the following comment:


  54. Roots
    March 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    You waste your time “debating” a non-responsive, provocateur/sophist/liar, who will disappear in response to your best points and reappear in the next string with the identical m.o,. No facts, no citations, just juvenile bile.

    Yes, Gail, you have accurately summed up Hi Fi .

    But just for the fun of it, we can still sting his stupid ass….bzzzzzzzzzzzz

  55. OUTLAW1
    March 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    i believe people should be able to protest and this law would be a violation to our constatutional rights. but i disagree with whats going on in front of the court house. its people like that that will ruin it for us all. these people abuse that right of protest by grabbing a sign so they have a free place to squat. if asked i bet they dont even care or know what they are even protesting about.

  56. OUTLAW1
    March 27, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    they are using the right of protest for there self gain. not for the better of there country

  57. Anonymous
    March 28, 2012 at 9:40 am

    This will soon be deleted by, Tra er i mean Heraldo, no wait…..Tra .

  58. High Finance
    March 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Tra, let me change my statement a little bit.

    You ARE saying that people can protest anything, anytime in any manner on PUBLIC property.

    If you are not saying that then what restrictions is society allowed to dictate ?

    Roots, go blow yourself. You follow me around and say the same thing over & over and use a variety of names to double conceal yourself. You are nothing more than a troll and some say you are Heraldo.

  59. Anonymous
    March 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    High Finance says:
    March 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    “You follow me around and say the same thing over & over and use a variety of names to double conceal yourself. You are nothing more than a troll and some say you are Heraldo.:

    Paranoia strikes you deep, creep.

  60. tra
    March 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    “You ARE saying that people can protest anything, anytime in any manner on PUBLIC property.”

    No, I have never taken that position. And I very clearly stated otherwise in the comment I already directed you to above. But you do have to click on the link and read the comment:


    If you can’t be bothered to invest one mouse click and 2 or 3 minutes of reading so that you can respond to my actual argument, rather than your various Straw Man arguments, then you’re not really trying to communicate.

    So there’s the link. Click. Read. Respond. And I’ll check in here later.

  61. Anonymous
    March 28, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    “its people like that that will ruin it for us all.”

    They are victims the same as the rest of us. Never blame the victims. The people who are “ruining it for us all” are the ones who exacerbate “people like that” in the first place. Next time you find yourself about to categorize “people like that”, especially in such context, remember that there, but for the grace of your own Dog, go us all. I welcome their voice in mutual protest the same as anybody’s, and am grateful for my own to not be in their shoes the rest of the time. They’re definitely not selling out our lifestyles for their own monetary fortune, as are the people we protest. Humboldt’s government is not full of innocent shleps, rather puppet shills doing the dirty work of their financers.

  62. March 28, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    You are nothing more than a troll and some say you are Heraldo.

    Hahaha! HiFi wishes I spent so much time fretting over his constant drivel on this blog.

  63. Alas
    March 29, 2012 at 1:33 am

    “The normal people of society have rights also.” (Highly Normal 12:46)

    What’s made clear by idiotic comments like this one, and similar comments by supervisors, is that the only “right” the “normal people” think they’ve “won back”, (once again, political expediency trumps the oath of office), is not to have to see and hear “those people” anymore!

    Sound familiar?

    It’s one thing, that our imperial economy is impoverishing the world to fuel an obscene lifestyle, but allowing its domestic victims and those suffering PTSD from chronic homelessness, to protest the causes of their condition on the courthouse steps will not be tolerated!

    History is heavy with examples of pseudo-leaders willing to abridge the rights of those they fear, dislike, or don’t understand….creating even angrier people to do worse things that are even less likable and requiring even more repression….etc.

    This is how history’s countless dumb leaders, over generations, fulfill their own fearful prophesy by creating opponents who win their seats only to reverse the tables of “perfectly legal” repression.

    That’s why “High Liar” can never directly answer your 10:16 question tra and, for that matter, most others he’s asked!

  64. What Now
    March 29, 2012 at 2:42 am

    “You cannot play with the animal in you without becoming wholly animal, play with falsehood without forfeiting your right to truth, play with cruelty without losing your sensitivity of mind. He who wants to keep his garden tidy does not reserve a plot for weeds”.
    ― Dag Hammarskjöld.

    Hopefully at this juncture, Highly Fried is up to date on his rabies and parvo vaccinations by his owner’s veterenarian.

  65. High Finance
    March 30, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Looks like the bar kicked you out and you just had to post something before passing out last night ?

  66. OUTLAW1
    March 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    we all have a right to protest anytime of the day.

  67. Jim White
    March 31, 2012 at 12:45 am

    Good luck convincing High-Fascist.

  68. High Finance
    March 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    What clever name calling there Jim old boy. Chuckle, snarf, snort. I haven’t heard anybody use that one before.

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