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Federal Court Orders FBI To Turn Over Evidence for Independent Forensic Analysis in 1990 Judi Bari Car Bombing Case

[Press Release]

In an order dated March 31, 2012 and released today, Honorable Claudia Wilken, United States District Judge of the Northern District of California, affirmed a March 21, 2011 Order by Magistrate Judge James Larson, directing the United States, through the FBI, to turn over evidence in the 1990 car bomb assassination attempt of Judi Bari in Oakland, CA to a third party forensic laboratory for independent testing.

“This is a historic and momentous development,” said Ben Rosenfeld, attorney for plaintiff Darryl Cherney, Judi Bari’s co-organizer in the sustained campaign to preserve California’s ancient redwoods, who was also injured when the bomb went off. Cherney went to Court in 2010 to prevent the FBI from destroying the evidence. That evidence includes a mostly intact explosive device built by the same hands as the car bomb, as well as a cardboard sign, and latent fingerprints.

The FBI never subjected this evidence to basic forensic examination. Its lawyers contacted Cherney’s lawyers in 2010 announcing plans to destroy the evidence. In 2002, an Oakland federal jury found three FBI agents and three Oakland police officers liable for violating Bari and Cherney’s First and Fourth Amendment Rights by trying to frame them by falsely accusing them of transporting the bomb which nearly killed them. The FBI never looked elsewhere.

Cherney alone has continued to pursue the bomber(s). With co-Director Mary Liz Thompson, he just released a new documentary entitled Who Bombed Judi Bari? (http://whobombedjudibari.com/). The evidence, hitherto sealed away in an FBI locker, may finally yield an answer to that question.

Request a copy of the Court order via one of the contacts above, or look it up on PACER under federal Case No. 91-01057 (Document Number 686). For historic information about the case, visit www.judibari.org.

  1. What Now
    April 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Good!
    About time!

  2. Lost_it
    April 2, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    About time is right. Never smelled right.

  3. skippy
    April 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Following this case from the onset, this is an important and crucial development. It should have happened long ago. I look forward to the findings.

    But please help me here: the wording of the press release above states, “That evidence includes a mostly intact explosive device built by the same hands as the car bomb…” Should it more accurately read, “likely built“?

    Until the DNA/forensic evidence is in proving otherwise, I’m not sure the two devices can be definitively linked to the same builder at this juncture, despite obvious– or even identical– similarities. Tra has a pretty good handle on these details, so perhaps he can fill me in.

    Nonetheless, subjectng the evidence to further scrutiny and examination may reveal more substantial information coming to light.

  4. Wait for it... wait for it...
    April 2, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Bomb? What bomb? Whoops, where did that thing go? Darn, sorry. We really ought to keep better records.

  5. Bolithio
    April 2, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Good for them. I wonder how much usable evidence is still there after all these years.

  6. Anonymous
    April 2, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Henceforth I will refer to the FBI as the Federal Bureau of INSTIGATION

  7. April 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Want to bet they don’t give it up?

  8. April 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Skippy, you should listen to the report on KMUD news for more information. They believe the two bombs were made by the same person because of an anonymous “Lord’s Avenger” letter that took credit for both bombs and described them in more detail than was known to the public.

  9. April 2, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    if they have not polished the evidence clean by now, we will know who the bomber is by summer with any luck…JB’s ex is prime suspect #1, but could be an inside job, hope for the best here

  10. April 2, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Any tampering with the evidence should appear in the forensics report.

  11. Ponder z
    April 2, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    OK, so the “lords avenger” tried to blow up these two clowns and the FBI and OPD framed them for IT? I Don’t like Barry and Cherny but I also don’t like the FBI, when the overbearing jerks point fingers at victims and don’t do their jobs of total investigation. Good luck to Cherny in his legal pursuit. And remember Waco.

  12. Anonymous
    April 2, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    Good news, indeed!

  13. tra
    April 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Apparently the Cloverdale bomb, the one that didn’t detonate properly, has l;ayers and layers of intact duct tape. Seems quite likely that they might find fingerprints, hair, or other forensic clues in there somewhere. It will be interesting to see where all this may lead.

  14. skippy
    April 2, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Thanks for jogging my memory, I remember that.

  15. Dave Kirby
    April 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Darryl is a serious looney. He actually said that the Richardson Grove widening project was to enable the military to come and get us. He must be sweating any real progress in this investigation. He has always maintained that he and Bari were attacked because they were righteous eco warriors. I suspect this whole thing is a particularly nasty case of domestic violence. Darryl’s ego knows no bounds. Check out his Wikipedia page. Bet you didn’t know that he founded the Headwaters Preserve.

  16. Jeremy Farmer Jensen
    April 2, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    This isn’t about Darryls ego, this is about finding out Who Bombed Judi Bari? Your theory is tired and played out Dave. This is domestic terrorism against effective Earth First! organizers.

  17. Anonymous
    April 2, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Gee whiz, what happens if the evidence points to Darryl? How do you make that up to the 3 Oakland cops and the 3 FBI agents?

  18. tra
    April 3, 2012 at 12:01 am

    How likely do you think it is that Darryl would be fighting to preserve the evidence, and to have it subjected to forensic examination if he was in any way involved with the bombing?

  19. labtech
    April 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Relax. It’s not “historic” or even significant. He’s working the system in the hopes of generating another profitable lawsuit.

  20. Harold Knight
    April 3, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    The larger story will be generally missed.

    In the land of the free, justice takes decades and hundreds of thousands of dollars, with no guarantee.

    Victims must hire their your own damn forensic specialists?

  21. labtech
    April 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    The “victims” are the taxpayers who end up paying for these idiotic lawsuits.

  22. Anonymous
    April 3, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    labtech, if you actually do technical work in a lab, I hope your analytical abilities are better than what you have displayed here. I wonder how many have died due to your incompetence.

  23. tra
    April 3, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    The jury in the federal civil rights lawsuit heard 6 weeks of testimony, heard all the arguments from the lawyers who were defending the conduct of the FBI and the OPD, and in the end the jury ruled that the evidence clearly showed that the FBI and OPD attempted to frame Bari and Cherney for their own bombing, and that they did so in order to try to silence them.

    It’s facinating to watch the twisting and squirming of those who so desperately want to believe that Bari and/or Cherney were responsible for the bomb. They are spinning themselves to the point of dizziness as they try to make sense of the indisputable fact that it has been Cherney, and Bari’s estate, that have been fighting relentlessly to preserve the evidence in this case and have that evidence tested for DNA, fingerprints and other forensic clues, while lawyers for the FBI have been fighting relentlessly to see that this evidence is destroyed, and never tested.

    As citizens, we should be appalled by the actions of the FBI and the OPD, and as taxpayers should be outraged that these law enforcement agencies have spent millions of tax dollars defending their illegal behavior. Equally disturbing is the fact that those responsible for the frame-up job, those responsible for the lack of any real investigation in the wake of the collapse of that attempted frame-up, and those responsbile for the ongoing efforts to destroy evidence and prevent evidence from being tested, have not been held accountable.

  24. Thirdeye
    April 3, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Here’s the required reading list for anyone who wants information from the most credible sources not tainted by vested interest in the case.

    http://www.salon.com/2002/05/23/judibari/

    http://theava.com/00/01-19-talbot.html

    http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/judi_bari/bombing.html

    http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/judi_bari/maxwells_hammer.html

    The fourth link contains discussion of the status of DNA evidence thus far.

  25. tra
    April 3, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    That’s a great reading list…for fans of the National Enquirer and the Weekly World News.

    Meanwhile, those who are desperately clinging to their belief that Bari and Cherney are/were covering up the identity of the bomber still have no explanation for why it is Cherney who has fought to preserve the evidence and won the right to have it tested for DNA, fingerprints and other forensic clues.

    If someone was trying to cover up the identity of the bomber, presumably they would be seeking to have the evidence destroyed, or at least not allowed to be tested.

    Oh, wait a minute, there is a group seeking to have the evidence destroyed, or at least not tested — the lawyers for the FBI. Now why would that be?

  26. Thirdeye
    April 3, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    tra,

    Trying to equate Stephen Talbot with the National Enquirer just isn’t going to cut it, dear boy. KQED, Salon, and Mother Jones are in a different league. You’ve not been able to argue on the merits of any of the linked articles. You blew it when you tried to accuse Talbot of fabricating some story of being told by Bari that Mike Sweeney bombed the Santa Rosa airport, while you neglected to consider that it was reported by two independent investigators. That was a completely and obviously groundless accusation on your part. If you want to make groundless accusations, you should at least be more careful. Not that I’m complaining when you go into la-la land and show everybody what a fool you are.

    If you’re going to claim that Cherney is on some high-minded quest to find the identity of the real bomber, then explain 1) why he claimed Irv Sutley was implicated by the DNA on the Argus letter when he wasn’t, and 2) why he isn’t insisting that Sweeney and others in Bari’s circle submit DNA samples. The obvious answer to (1) is that he’s willing to grasp at any straw to claim that Sutley, working with the FBI, planted the bomb. The obvious answer to (2) is that, if the true identity of the bomber doesn’t support some conspiracy theory involving the FBI and/or timber companies, he doesn’t really want to know.

    Here’s another link to Don Foster’s analysis of the three documents connected to the bomber.

    http://theava.com/bari/foster.html

  27. Labtech
    April 3, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    The “evidence” is a twenty year old pile of useless junk. But hey, maybe we can spin that into another lucrative settlement! Worth a try, right? And the “useful idiots” here might even be able to oil the hinges.

  28. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 1:15 am

    Thirdeye is still floundering around completely unable to explain the contradiction between his theory that Cherney is protecting the identity of the real bomber, and the inarguable fact that it is Darryl himself who has continued to fight to preserve the evidence and get it tested, so in his desperation Thirdeye tries to change the subject. Predictable, but still amusing.

    As far as the four links Thirdeye posted above, I recommend eveyone read them, as I have. Anyone with a lick of sense will be able to recognize them for what they are: a laughable collection of conclusions not supported by the facts cited to support them, rumors, hearsay, and claims by people with axes to grind and scores to settle, all stitched up with a healthy dose of speculation and topped off with a fair amount of pure fantasy.

    I especially enjoyed the fourth link, with its “Bari was trying to kill Sweeney, but Sweeney killed her first” claims, offered of course with zero proof to back any of it up. The Talbot pieces are at least at the level of the National Enquirer, but that fourth one, by Gehrman, is barely even up to the level of the Weekly World News.

    Only someone who is either ridiculously biased, completely devoid of any critical thinking skills, or thoroughly committed to disinformation, could read Gehrman’s “Maxwell’s Hammer” piece and not burst out laughing at the absurd conclusion-jumping contained within.

    The really funny part is that I think that Thirdeye actually believes that posting that story somehow strengthens the case he’s trying to make!

  29. Anonymous
    April 4, 2012 at 2:06 am

    The same DNA was found both on the Argus informant letter, and on a death threat sent to Judi Bari a month before the bombing. So, who sent those letters?

    Edward T. Blake, D.Crim., of Forensic Science Associates of Richmond CA, was a pioneer in the use of DNA testing in criminal cases and is considered one of the leading experts in the field. In addition to the three mystery letters, Blake was given two envelopes mailed by Sutley from which to obtain a sample of his DNA. Blake found that Sutley’s DNA was not an exact match for Unknown Male #2, but it was close enough that it was likely to be a male member of Sutley’s immediate family. Blake’s written report was careful to point out that it is possible that this degree of genetic similarity could occur by chance in two unrelated persons. But Blake’s office has said there was a very high probability the two were closely related.

    Cherney said he also consulted Berkeley forensic mathematician Dr. Charles H. Brenner, who told him that there is only a one-in-three-hundred chance to see this degree of similarity in unrelated people. That translates to a 99.67 percent probability that the person who sealed the Argus and death threat letters was related to Sutley, most likely his father or brother.

    http://www.albionmonitor.com/0109a/0109a-bari.html

    So, according to those experts, it looks like there’s about a 1 in 300 chance that the informant letter and the threat letter were not sent by a member of Irv Sutley’s immediate family. That the DNA would so closely match teh Sutley family’s DNA would be quite a coincidence on its own, but when you factor in that the same informant letter also contained a copy of a photograph that just happened to be taken by Sutley, now you’re talking about an even more amazing “coincidence.”

  30. Anonymous
    April 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I hope they do obtain DNA and/or fingerprints from the Cloverdale bomb, and that this evidence is helpful in identifying the bomber.

    If they find DNA on the Cloverdale bomb that matches the DNA found on the Lord’s Avenger letter, they will have confirmed that the writer of the LA letter was in fact involved with the Cloverdale bomb and therefore most likely was involved with the bomb used to attack Bari and Cherney as well.

    If they find DNA on the Cloverdale bomb that matches the DNA that was found on both the Argus informant letter and the death threat letter, that will establish that whoever wrote the Argus letter and the death threat letter was in fact involved with the Cloverdale bomb and therefore most likely was involved with the bomb used to attack Bari and Cherney as well.

    If they find DNA from more than one person on the Cloverdale bomb, and some of that DNA matches the DNA from the LA letter and some of it matches the DNA from the informant letter and the death threat letter, this would show that the writer of the informant letter and death threat letter was working together with the writer of the LA letter, and that both were involved in a bomb plot.

    And of course they may find DNA and/or fingerprints that don’t match any of those letters. But they can still check those DNA and/or fingerprints against the national DNA and fingerprint databases to see if they get any matches. They can also check them against any other DNA samples or fingerprints from those who have voluntarily supplied samples, or from whom samples have been / can be obtained.

    Trying to solve this crime after all these years, with no help from law enforcement (and in fact lots of resistance from the FBI) is a very difficult challenge. But given the seriousness of the crime, I’m glad that the Cloverdale bomb is finally going to be examined for forensic evidence by an independent expert. This should have been done long ago, and the fact that the lawyers for the FBI have fought so long and so hard to prevent this forensic examination from happening is deplorable.

  31. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    That last comment was from me.

  32. Humboldt Native
    April 4, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    In other words, the police should drop everything and do national DNA searches and fingerprint crosschecks from every piece of garbage in an old evidence locker because that might make the plaintiff’s even richer.

    Earth to tra: this was over 20 years ago and your guys made out like bandits. Spare us the convoluted conspiracy theories. The taxpayers aren’t bending over again.

  33. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    On other words, “Humboldt Native,” your position is that since the government wasted millions defending their right to frame the people they wanted to blame, rather than, say, examining the available evidence in a timely manner, and because the government actively fought to prevent any independent forensics experts from examining the evidence in the years since then, at this point we should just throw up our hands and give up rather than making any attempt to learn the truth now?

    I’m sure the bomber(s), whoever they are, and anyone who helped protect the bomber(s) would be very pleased if Darryl followed that advice and just gave up. But, despite your ridiculous claim that “your guys made out like bandits” money was never really the point of the lawsuit, and of course money can never come close to making up for the massive injuries sustained by Bari, can never come close to making up for her suffering and the suffering this tragedy caused her children, not to mention all the character assasination Bari, Cherney and their associates suffered in the wake of the attempted frame-up. But beyond tall that, the bottom line is that this is a case of attempted murder, for which there is no statute of limitations, and for good reason. An attempted murderer should never be able to sit back and relax and be 100% sure that they’ll never be caught.

    Yes, it’s a “cold case,” which is because once it was clear that their attempt to frame Bari and Cherney had collapsed, law enforcement only made (at best) a half-hearted effort to investigate the case, and then just walked away entirely, abdicating their duty to find and prosecute the bomber. Worse yet, their lawyers fought to make sure no one else could investigate, by fighting in court to be allowed to destroy numerous pieces of evidence, and failing that, to prevent a court-approved independent forensics lab from being able to examine this evidence. But now they’ve lost another round, and despite all the tax dollars they’ve wasted trying to prevent the testing, it will soon be carried out, just as the judge ordered.

    At this point Cherney is not asking the taxpayers to foot the bill for the testing, he’s paying for it himself, and the testing will be done by an independent forensics lab approved by the court. If nothing is found, then there’s no cost to the taxpayers beyond what the government already wasted fighting in court to try to destroy the evidence and/or prevent it from bing examined. If they do find DNA or fingerprints, then Darryl and his team will have done the first part of the police’s job for them, and then investigators can check the DNA and/or fingerprints from the bomb with DNA and fingerprint databases, and with other DNA and fingerprint samples connected to the case. If they get a match, that will certainly provide a very compelling argument for investigating further. Which, seems like something virtually anyone would agree with, unless they have an unusual fondness for the notion of bombers / attempted murderers walking around free, without fear of being caught for their crimes.

    It seems to me that there are three categories of people who have a reason to fear the fact that this investigation is moving forward: (1) the actual bomber(s) and any accomplice(s), (2) law enforcement agencies and officers who (at best) bungled the case and will be embarassed if it turns out that there was evidence sitting right under their noses and they failed to make use of it, and (3) those who are still, all these years later, committed to either blaming Bari and Cherney for the bombing, or committed to the belief that Bari and Cherney were covering up for the real bomber, or are committed to a certain pet theory of the crime, or a favorite suspects, and would rather have it remain unsolved, than be proven wrong.

  34. Anonymous
    April 4, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Sorry Humboldt Native, but when the FBI is guilty of this kind of targeted cruelty, the taxpayers will be bent over again and again and again until the the FBI learns the meaning of their oaths.

  35. Thirdeye
    April 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Anony 2:06, Cherney’s account in Nicolas Wilson’s Bari-ite propaganda rag from 2001 alludes to what it would take to validate the claim of a DNA match: a follow-up investigation by the Sheriff’s office. The report was submitted to the MCSO and they opened an investigation to determine whether or not what Cherney submitted was strong enough to be actionable. It wasn’t. The allegation of a DNA link between Sutley and the Argus/death threat letters has been discredited.

    There are a number of logical problems in associating Sutley with the content of the Argus letter, as described in the third link (Gehrman). Among them are two instances the writer was aware of but Sutley could not have been, and the fact that Sutley had not yet had access to Pam Davis’ photo of Bari with the “Uzi” enclosed with the letter when the letter was mailed. Sutley later obtained a copy and sent it to Bruce Anderson as a joke alluding to an argument they were having over gun control. Anderson published the picture as a joke with Bari’s permission.

    Contrary to what tra claims, there is plenty of evidence that
    Bari sought a hired killer to off her ex, Mike Sweeney. The third link refers to Sutley’s account of rather persistent requests from Bari through Pam Davis for a murder-for-hire deal. Bari herself admitted to making the request, in a KZYX interview (third link). She explained it away as a joke. That’s the background that makes Jan Maxwell’s account in the fourth link significant. Maxwell was an old friend of Bari’s, proficient with guns, to whom Davis had made the same sort of persistent requests as she did with Sutley. That’s two independent, corroborating accounts that Bari was seeking murder-for-hire. What was in it for Bari? Taking out somebody who knew enough to legally destroy her in a hostile divorce where child custody and a substantial property settlement were at stake.

    As Gehrman states, the murder-for-hire requests blow away the notion that Sutley was some sort of informant. If he was, it would have been very easy to take down Bari on a murder conspiracy rap. Wear a wire, arrange the deal, take the money…..busted.

    In contrast to the various Bari-ite conspiracy theorists, Talbot and Gahrman have been quite scrupulous about verifying what was reported to them. They sought corroborating information. They matched what was said against known timelines and physical evidence. They checked for consistency against multiple sources. Talbot started his investigation sympathetic to Bari. Gehrman was a fellow activist with Bari who lent support to Redwood Summer. Contrast that with the unfounded accusation by tra that they were some sort of rumormongers with “and axe to grind.” Even Bruce Anderson was in the Bari camp until the evidence that Bari wasn’t truthful became overwhelming. The group with the biggest axe to grind in the whole discussion is those who are still trying to make Sutley the fall guy to sell some conspiracy theory of the bombing that makes its victims look heroic. That’s despicable.

  36. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Of course the new claims that Bari was seriously trying to hire someone to kill her Ex only emerged after Bari was dead, and therefore not available for comment. How convenient.

    Thirdeye says that the DNA link between Sutley’s family and the Argus letter and death threat letter “have been discredited,” but makes no mention of who discredited this or how, just that the DNA analysis alone was not considered “actionable” by the MCSO. Okay, but that doesn’t “discredit” the analysis, it just means that legally, it’s not enough to go on.

    Meanwhile, Bruce Anderson took his pet theory, with all of the so-called “evidence” that Thirdeye keeps recommending, to the Mendecino District Attorney, who found no there, there. He described Anderson’s “evidence” as nothing more than

    “”Conjecture, innuendo, speculation and guesses.”

    Which sums up Thirdeye’s approach as well..

  37. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    “…it would have been very easy to take down Bari on a murder conspiracy rap. Wear a wire, arrange the deal, take the money…..busted.”

    Or one could consider the alternate explanation, namely that the accusation is complete bullcrap and therefore there was simply no opportunity to any such sting.

    But this is classic Andersonesque reasoning: Accept the unproven wild accusations as if they were a proven fact, then rely on that “fact” to prove other “facts.” It’s about as substantial as a house of cards built on foundation of toothpicks.

  38. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Gehrman says that Sutley said that Davis said that Bari said that she wanted to hire someone to kill her Ex. That’s not just hearsay, it’s not even just double hearsay, it’s triple hearsay.

    At least Maxwell’s claim — that Davis said that Bari said — is only double hearsay, but it’s also not “independent,” since according to Gehrman, Maxwell only made her claim after reading about Sutley’s claim. And, of course, only made the claim after Bari’s death. And then Gehrman waited three years to write about it. Even the softball interviewer asked him why he waited so long, to which he answered “I don’t exactly know.”

    And this is what Thirdeye considers “plenty of evidence.” Once again, Thirdeye hits new highs for unintentionally hilarious claims, and for self-inflicted loss of credibility.

  39. Plain Jane
    April 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    but, but, but that’s 3 people who say she said it. The circular logic is making me dizzy.

  40. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    turns out that this is not the first time that Ed Gehrman has shown a fondness for embracing the nuttiest of conspiracy theories, based on the thinnest of evidence:

    Article on the “Santilli Alien Autopsy”

    Ed Gehrman

    I was one of those folks skeptical of the Roswell Alien Autopsy footage. [Then in 1995, on Art Bell’s radio show, I listened to] an expert on movie cameras explain film dating. The substance of his remarks and the subsequent wrapup by Bell seemed to indicate that the Roswell Alien Autopsy footage, shown on Fox TV the previous week, was probably authentic…

    Yeah, if someone said it on Art Bell’s Coast-to-Coast AM radio show — where poltergiests and Bigfoot hoaxes share space with alien autopsies, black helicopters, reptilian overlords and so on and so forth — then surely it must be true!

  41. tra
    April 4, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Gehrman on Roswell:

    “Our government knows that an Alien craft fell from the sky on May 31, 1947 and they have it, somewhere. Why aren’t they letting us in on the secret? For the first time we all have the proof that this did indeed happen. Aren’t we going to do anything about it? ”

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=848

  42. High Finance
    April 5, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    You call that theory “nutty” but its no worse than what we read on the Herald every day.

  43. UC Chre in Ukiah
    April 10, 2012 at 2:39 am

    Somebody I used to know several years ago (1997-1998), was friends with Judi Bari. Someone else said Judi Bari told her that is was her ex who bombed them, so I would check the DNA with his DNA, and see if that is true. Who these people are, I couldn’t tell you; this was a long time ago and one lady had breast cancer and went to Mexico for a cure, and I learned she and Judi had Breast Cancer. This is possible, as I was nearly murdered by an ex.

  44. Anonymous
    April 10, 2012 at 5:24 am

    It is certain that the FBI knew about and had prepared for the bombing, then did a non-investigation and should have been liable for much more.
    They claimed they were tipped off that “some heavies” were transporting an explosive. And the “Bomb School” training boggles the mind. The bomb was also obviously (motion activated after an up to 12 hour timer expired) not Judy’s. If it was set in Mendo, it could have been activated late at night and triggered the next morning as they drove.
    Male linked (Y-chromosome) DNA only tells you the ethnicity of a suspect’s paternal lineage. While there are only about 300 versions, everybody of the same male line ethnicity has the same version. Sutley and Sweeney both seem to be Scotch-Irish (as are many Americans) so the fact that one matches may indite the other.
    The refusal to steal some of Sweeney’s DNA, as was done to Sutley, for testing (since he is in no hurry to clear himself by donating it) has been a major red flag to me for years.
    Let me restate that it is obvious that the FBI are very implicated, and seem to have no desire to investigate. They would probably be liable for much more cash, but the complication of the “it was the evil timber industry” being untrue probably outweighs the financial gain to be had (which I don’t believe is Cherny’s motivation anyway).
    Are the FBI protecting an informant? Are they protecting themselves because hanging the informant out to dry would expose them to more serious charges?
    The first suspect in an unknown attack on a woman is always the ex. If your ex is killed mysteriously and you are not a suspect at least at first you should feel worried about the competence of law enforcement.
    The time is long past to test Sweeney (who could have a huge libel suit against the AVA were he to be cleared).

  45. Anny
    June 2, 2012 at 5:43 am

    funny how she saved them from themselves (the feds) and didn’t even get the decency of an apology. The redwood forest generates millons of dollars in tourist revenue every year. Sometimes you just can’t save mankind from their own self destruction. I would like to thank Judi personally for contributing to the saving of the planet, and also her partner, and the other activists who helped save a truly magnificent and regal part of the planet from imminent destruction. If everyone took such steps to actually save their little part of the world from the greedy, the planet would be in a much better state. My hat is off to the Judge, that was pretty brave also.

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