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Big Boxes spawn hate groups

Everyone and their mother’s brother emailed this to the Humboldt Herald. A report from Science News Online finds Hate Group Formation [is] Associated with Big-box Stores:

The presence of big-box retailers, such as Wal-Mart, K-Mart and Target, may alter a community’s social and economic fabric enough to promote the creation of hate groups, according to economists.

The number of Wal-Mart stores in a county is significantly correlated with the number of hate groups in the area, said Stephan Goetz, professor of agricultural economics and regional economics, Penn State, and director of the Northeast Regional Center for Rural Development.

Read the rest here.

Eureka voters dealt a solid thumbs-down to Walmart in 1999 but will now get one anyway thanks to Eureka-based Carrington Co. and the roll-over-like-a-puppy-dog-for-its-corporate-masters City of Eureka.

  1. Toohey
    April 12, 2012 at 7:30 am

    No concept of cause and effect.
    Wouldn’t it be more likely that Walmart locates in low income communities than are prone to reactionary groups? I know the easy answer is that Walmart organized them in the back.

  2. just sayin'
    April 12, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Or Walmart is a spawn of hate groups…

  3. Mitch
    April 12, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Correlation is not causation. It seems far more likely that areas that want Wal-mart’s are more likely to host hate groups than that Wal-mart brings hate groups in.

    (Yeah, you probably know that, but then what’s with the headline?)

  4. Mitch
    April 12, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Last time I looked, areas that host Neiman-Marcus don’t need to form hate groups — they have enough money that the haters just hate at cocktail parties, where no outsiders can listen. And Neiman-Marcus STILL refuses to consider white power tattoos for their cosmetics sections.

  5. Astonished
    April 12, 2012 at 7:41 am

    How could people ¨hate¨ an entity which systimatically destroys their economy, their standard of living, their livelihoods, etc?

  6. High Finance
    April 12, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Once again the vote in 1999 is misrepresented.

    Wal Mart was not turned down. Rezoning Waterfront property for commercial was. Bill Pierson & Schafer, afraid of a Home Depot which oftens follows Wal Mart, spent a lot of money to get the rezoning turned down.

    The left hates Wal Mart because they are not unionized. The have made Wal Mart into a bogeyman but they do not represent a majority of the people.

  7. unanonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 7:46 am

    damn, for the first time I agree, look at all the hateful spew by heraldo and its buddies about walmart and those that shop there because they need to make ends meet.

  8. Smart 5th Grader
    April 12, 2012 at 7:49 am

    HIgh Hater, Like those protesters in Skokie, Illinois, I will defend your right to free speech. (Including in front of the Courthouse)

  9. Smart 5th Grader
    April 12, 2012 at 8:11 am

    If an ¨economist¨ says it, it must be true.
    Here´s some other gems from senior economists.

    Below is a timeline of quotes from Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke. These two “government officials” have been so wrong in the past, why would anyone listen to their predictions of a pending financial disaster. At best they are completely incompetent, at worst, criminally culpable. Our Congress is considering giving them $700 billion dollars to “fix” things. Please email your elected officials and tell them not to give these cronies $2,333.33 per every American citizen to hand out as they see fit to their private banking buddies. We don’t even have the money, they would need to create more out of thin air which will only increase our debt, further reduce the value of our dollar, leaving more liabilities for our children. Instead let the investors take their losses on their bad bets and prosecute those responsible for fraud. Capitalism works by letting bad companies go bankrupt and letting good companies step in to take their place. We are not Russia , and we are not China . We have plenty of good companies that will come in to fill any lending void. A rejection of any more bank bailouts would be the best long-term solution for our dollar, our economy, our future, our children, and believe it or not, our stock market. Sure some financial company stocks could go down more in value from here, until they reach the price they are worth. That is how free markets are supposed to function. Enjoy and forward to every American you know!

    March 13th, 2007 – Henry Paulson: “the fallout in subprime mortgages is “going to be painful to some lenders, but it is largely contained.”

    March 28th, 2007 – Ben Bernanke: “At this juncture . . . the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained,”

    April 20th, 2007 – Paulson: “I don’t see (subprime mortgage market troubles) imposing a serious problem. I think it’s going to be largely contained.” , “All the signs I look at” show “the housing market is at or near the bottom,”

    May 17th, 2007 – Bernanke: “While rising delinquencies and foreclosures will continue to weigh heavily on the housing market this year, it will not cripple the U.S.”

    June 20th, 2007 – Bernanke: (the subprime fallout) “will not affect the economy overall.”

    July 12th, 2007 – Paulson: “This is far and away the strongest global economy I’ve seen in my business lifetime.”

    August 1st, 2007 – Paulson: “I see the underlying economy as being very healthy,”

    October 15th, 2007 – Bernanke: “It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve – nor would it be appropriate – to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions.”

    February 14th, 2008 – Paulson: (the economy) “is fundamentally strong, diverse and resilient.”

    February 28th, 2008 – Paulson: “I’m seeing a series of ideas suggested involving major government intervention in the housing market, and these things are usually presented or sold as a way of helping homeowners stay in their homes. Then when you look at them more carefully what they really amount to is a bailout for financial institutions or Wall Street.”

    February 29th, 2008 – Bernanke: “I expect there will be some failures. I don’t anticipate any serious problems of that sort among the large internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system.”

    March 16th, 2008 – Paulson: “We’ve got strong financial institutions . . . Our markets are the envy of the world. They’re resilient, they’re…innovative, they’re flexible. I think we move very quickly to address situations in this country, and, as I said, our financial institutions are strong.”

    Mar 18th, 2008 – Bear Stearns Bailout Announced

    May 7, 2008 – Paulson: ‘The worst is likely to be behind us,”

    May 16th, 2008 – Paulson: “In my judgment, we are closer to the end of the market turmoil than the beginning,” he said.

    June 9th, 2008 – Bernanke: Despite a recent spike in the nation’s unemployment rate, the danger that the economy has fallen into a “substantial downturn” appears to have waned,

    July 16th, 2008 – Bernanke: (Freddie and Fannie) “…will make it through the storm”, “… in no danger of failing.”,”…adequately capitalized”

    July 20th, 2008 – Paulson: “it’s a safe banking system, a sound banking system. Our regulators are on top of it. This is a very manageable situation.”

    August 10th, 2008 – Paulson: “We have no plans to insert money into either of those two institutions.” (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac)

    Sept 8th, 2008 – Fannie and Freddie nationalized. The taxpayer is on the hook for an estimated 1 – 1.5 trillion dollars. Over 5 trillion is added to the nation’s balance sheet.
    September 16th, 2008 – $85 Billion AIG Bailout “Loan”
    September 19th, 2008 – $700 Billion Bailout Plan Announced

    September 19th, 2008 – Paulson: “We’re talking hundreds of billions of dollars – this needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get at the heart of the problem,” he said. “This is the way we stabilize the system.”

    September 19th, 2008 – Bernanke: “most severe financial crisis” in the post-World War II era. Investment banks are seeing “tremendous runs on their cash,” Bernanke said. “Without action, they will fail soon.”

    September 21st, 2008 – Paulson: “The credit markets are still very fragile right now and frozen”, “We need to deal with this and deal with it quickly.”, “The financial security of all Americans … depends on our ability to restore our financial institutions to a sound footing.”

    September 23rd, 2008 – Paulson: “We must [enact a program quickly] in order to avoid a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets that threaten American families’ financial well-being, the viability of businesses, both small and large, and the very health of our economy,”

    September 23rd, 2008 – Bernanke: “My interest is solely for the strength and recovery of the U.S. economy,”

    Henry Paulson was the chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, the largest Wall Street investment bank, before being nominated for US Treasury Secretary on May 30th, 2006.

    Ben Bernanke is Chairman of the Board of Governors of the United States Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is a quasi-public government entity with private (for-profit) components. The Board of Governors is the part of the Federal Reserve System that is responsible for supervising the private banks. The private banks give input to the government officials about their economic situation and these government officials use this input in Federal Reserve policy decisions. In the end, private banking businesses are able to freely run a profitable business while the U.S. government, through the Federal Reserve System, oversees and regulates the activities of the private banks. The board of directors of each Federal Reserve Bank District also have regulatory and supervisory responsibilities. For example, a member bank (private bank) is not permitted to give out too many loans to people who cannot pay them back. This is because too many defaults on loans will lead to a bank run. The punishment for making false statements or reports which overvalue an asset is stated in U.S. Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Section 1014(fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.). These aspects of the Federal Reserve System are the parts intended to prevent or minimize speculative asset bubbles which ultimately lead to severe market corrections.

    Source;Wikipedia,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa…y_of_government

  10. pitchfork
    April 12, 2012 at 8:18 am

    High Finance says: “Bill Pierson & Schafer, ….spent a lot of money to get the rezoning turned down.” Distorting again John, There were many diverse financial supporters from the right and the left. Wal-Mart out spent us 6 to 1.

  11. Smart 5th Grader
    April 12, 2012 at 8:21 am

    If an economist said it… or even an economist who is High…

  12. Epic logic fail
    April 12, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

    How about an alternate hypothesis… hate groups form in low income, undereducated areas, and big boxes thrive in low income undereducated areas (low prices and a ready workforce). Maybe a person’s low education level and poor standard of living create unrest that spurs him or her to look for someone to blame?

    Also, more than half of Americans are low income now, and big boxes have spread across the country, even to little ol’ inconsequential Eureka and Crescent City. America is on a highly religious anti-intellectualism downward spiral that begins with the funding priorities of our leaders (hint: education is not a priority). Big boxes and hate groups are symptoms of a larger problem.

  13. Mitch
    April 12, 2012 at 10:31 am

    It gets worse when you read the link from Science News Online. It’s exactly the sort of stuff that discredits legitimate research. The weasel words just keep the researchers from being fired. (I pity the editor who put this up, you can see the editor smacking his or her head in the — probably accidental — repetition of the attribution twice in one sentence.)

    The researchers said that because Wal-Mart promotes typical Protestant values, such as savings and thrift, the cues may lead customers to adopt other beliefs, including intolerant attitudes, according to the researchers.

  14. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “No concept of cause and effect.
    Wouldn’t it be more likely that Walmart locates in low income communities than are prone to reactionary groups? I know the easy answer is that Walmart organized them in the back.”

    You have no concept of cause and effect. Walmart isn’t opening shop in the likes of beverley hills or palo alto. Your easy answer is ass-backwards, the hate groups are directed at the big boxes for blighting the whole community’s presence.

  15. tra
    April 12, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Yeah, I’m no fan of Wal-Mart, but I have to agree with those criticizing the unwarranted assumption of cause and effect in the headline of this post.

    The link says “associated with” and the article includes speculation that the Wal-Mart “may” have an effect by altering conditions in the communities where they locate, and they present several possible mechanisms by which this might happen (some more plausible than others) but they don’t claim to have actually established that causation.

    But Heraldo’s headline says “spawns” (in other words, “causes”). There’s a world of difference between asscociation/correlation, and actual causation.

  16. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    “But Heraldo’s headline says “spawns” (in other words, “causes”). There’s a world of difference between asscociation/correlation, and actual causation.”

    Uh…in other words “causes”? Somebody who thought they were wise once said: There’s a world of difference between association/correlation, and actual causation.

  17. tra
    April 12, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    According to the article, the researchers looked at the number of Wal-Marts present in 1997 and the amount of hate-group activity in 2008. It would be at least a bit more convincing in at least establishing correlation if they had also included the data for hate-group activity in 1997 and number of Wal-Marts present in 2008. In other words, did the hate-group activity increase as the number of Wal-Marts increased, or not? This still would not prove causation, but at least the argument for correlation would have been stronger.

  18. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Here’s the two bits: EVERY walmart in this state has an unaffiliated army of rightfully unpretentious haters. HATE with REASON. Enough people HATE walmart, that it has become an unspoken understanding within our society’s construct. Nobody has ever protested FOR a walmart to be built, and nobody ever will.

  19. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I save time by not reading news articles that begin with the word “may.”

  20. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “In other words, did the hate-group activity increase as the number of Wal-Marts increased, or not?”

    What planet have you been living on the last thirty years? YES, DUH. Anti-walmart is stronger than ever, with more proof of their effect on small economies than needed to cause anti-walmart. What a dumb question, tra.

  21. tra
    April 12, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Sorry, the years were 1998 and 2007.

  22. tra
    April 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    DUH, indeed.

    WalMart’s presence and the changes that creates in a local economy may indeed contribute to an increased the amount of hate-group activity in the communities where they are located…but given the design of this study it doesn’t (and can’t) provide any proof of that.

  23. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    tra, you’re retarded. Your comments can (and do) provide more than adequate proof of that.

  24. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    hi im tra and i think the problem with my house collapsing in a smoldering heap is semantics so let me tell you how the root word of fail may or may not be fall which isnt in the seasonal sense but the fact is theres no proof the fire itself caused my house to collapse and since the firedepartment said the cause was the candle that fell on the carpet (with no reference to the climate and “fell” is an opinion maybe it had been “dropped” or “thrown”) i actually now have to wonder whether or not my house still exists perfectly intact because dammit theres no real proof of anything in whats being written about whats happening or in this case may or may not have already happened. i better blog about how smart i am to have figured this out.

  25. Bill Beasley
    April 12, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    ‘Astonished says:
    April 12, 2012 at 7:41 am

    How could people ¨hate¨ an entity which systimatically destroys their economy, their standard of living, their livelihoods, etc?’

    Destruction to what end, you may ask? To further enrich the heirs of Sam Walton, perhaps?

  26. tra
    April 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Such persuasive arguments, 12:46/12:51. You sure told me.

    ;)

  27. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Tra you’re absolutely right. There’s plenty of things to dislike Wal-Mart and other big box retailers for but causing a growth in hate groups is not one of them. This study is just silly and doesn’t prove any link between Wal-Mart and hate groups and to try to pretend otherwise is just as silly.

  28. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “This study is just silly and doesn’t prove any link between Wal-Mart and hate groups”

    Every single formal anti-walmart, anti-sprawl, anti-production/labor export, anti-child labor, anti-corporate welfare etc. group in the world proves you wrong, study or not.

  29. Harold Knight
    April 12, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    The link is between the loss of independent businesses that sustain essential community services and the resulting rise in economic desperation…poverty, violence, ignorance, disease, homelessness, crime, drug abuse….

    The researchers attributed the loss of independently owned businesses to big box saturation.

    There is a correlation.

    A similar warning was issued by the only professional local research of Eureka by Bay Area Economics.

    “High-Liar” must have been the only voter in 1999 to think the Balloon Tract rezoning measure was NOT about Wall-Mart. It launched Patty Berg’s successful career in the CA. Assembly!

  30. High Finance
    April 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Blaming Wal Mart for a supposed rise in hate groups is asinine. That’s like blaming black people for the KKK or Jews for the rise of the Nazis or television for Brittany Spears.

  31. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Okay, let’s all agree to hate Wal-Mart but to suggest that Wal-Mart or any other Big Box retailer is responsible for hate groups is ridiculous and this so-called study is asinine, there is simply no cause and effect here. You can debate all day the negative impacts Wal-Mart and Big Box stores can and often do have on local economies and “Mom and Pop” businesses – hate Wal-Mart for that if you want but toblame them for hate groups is like other posters have send is silly. This bog often posted thought provoking topics for discussion but this isnn’t one of them.day

  32. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    4:02, do you approve of child labor, corporate welfare, outsourcing jobs and industry? You aren’t looking at the big picture.

  33. Smart 5th Grader
    April 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Think about what you wrote High Hater. What do The KKK, Nazis, Brittant Spears and WalMart all have in common? They expolit the poor undereducated class to futher their goals.

  34. Smart 5th Grader
    April 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Brittany

  35. Mitch
    April 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Britney.

  36. Smart 5th Grader hoping to make it to 6th
    April 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    (sigh) thx Mitch

  37. Anonymous
    April 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Again hi/sly is full of shit. If he says it enough, it will all be the truth..

  38. Zombiekillzone
    April 12, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    If you see something, film something…….

    VISUAL COMBAT BANZAI7

  39. Harold Knight
    April 12, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Smart 5th Grader says:
    April 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    “‘Think about what you wrote High Hater. What do The KKK, Nazis, Brittant Spears and WalMart all have in common? They expolit the poor undereducated class to futher their goals.”

    Well done.

  40. Name
    April 13, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Well, there is obviously no need for a WalMart here. There’s already enough hate. We don’t need more.

  41. RefFan
    April 13, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Maybe when Walmart arrives all the haters heads will explode cuz of the rage inside them, ending their suffering…..
    Oh Shit, did I say that out loud (sigh)

  42. Fact Checker
    April 13, 2012 at 10:41 am

    RefFan. Please read some of your earlier posts to better understand ¨hater head¨. Thank you

  43. RefFan
    April 13, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I cld really give a rats butt about earlier posts. i will say whatever my heart desires at the moment. How about being human for once and quite always trying to be one of the smartie pants of the bunch. When I feel like being reasonable, I will. When I feel like being a jack wagon, I will. Thats my first amendment right.

  44. Fact Checker
    April 13, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Right to be a Jackwagon. Yes, unfortunately too many people exercising this right every day, because it makes for a better America.

  45. Blame the people against WalMart
    April 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Nazis get their own lobbyist on Capitol Hill
    The American Nazi Party has apparently registered its own lobbyist on Capitol Hill, 2008 National Socialist Movement presidential candidate John Taylor Bowles.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/nazis-own-lobbyist-capitol-hill-174030225.html

  46. tra
    April 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Well, fair warning to our members of Congress: About that new lobbyist who’s anxious to have his aide take a picture of him shaking your hand — you might want to make sure you know who that dude represents before you smile and say “cheese.”

  47. Tupac
    April 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Quit whining you stupid hippies, Walmart doesn’t sell weed or grow supplies so how could it effect the stellar economic base Humboldt County is known for.

  48. suzy blah blah
    April 19, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Walmart doesn’t sell weed or grow supplies

    -yet.

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