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UPDATE: Final results. With all precincts reporting it appears Mark Lovelace, Estelle Fennell and Rex Bohn have won seats on the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors.



First Humboldt County results are in. These are preliminary numbers, mostly absentees. Supervisor races look like this:

CHERYL A. SEIDNER 851 26.59%
REX H. BOHN 2,099 65.59%

CLIF CLENDENEN 1,523 48.18%
ESTELLE FENNELL 1,624 51.38%

MARK LOVELACE 1,317 61.11%
KAREN BROOKS 832 38.61%

  1. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Kind of looks as expected.

  2. thyme
    June 5, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    It surprises more people than you’d think

  3. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    In the race for seats on the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee, the number one vote-getter at this point is…Virginia Bass with 600 votes.

    But Linda Atkins also doing very well with 537 votes.

    Pam Service in 3rd place with 451 votes, giving her intra-Service bragging rights over Bob Service, who has 419 votes.

    Richard Marks nipping at their heels with 405 votes.

    After that, it’s Marion Brady with 322, Charlene Ploss has 280, and Chuck Ellsworth 246.

    Bottom line — looking good for Bass and Atkins, Marks within striking distance of the Services, everyone else trailing a bit.

    Of course this is just the absentees — which according to the conventional wisdom, usually skews a bit toward more “conservative” candidates.

  4. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Meanwhile, Hank Sims has “called it” for Rex Bohn to win it outright, based on the belief that the absentees will probably amount to 40% of the overall vote. According to Hank, Rex would have to get less than 25% of the votes cast at the polling place, in order to fall short of 50%.

    Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth commence…

  5. Thirdeye
    June 5, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    LoCo just called 1st District for Bohn.

  6. Thirdeye
    June 5, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Yeah, the wailing and gnashing of teeth is what I’m here to see.

  7. Anonymous
    June 5, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Dear Heraldo,

    It’s over.


  8. Chimp
    June 5, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Oh yeah, I know what the Humboldt Herald is….. less relevant to the outside world than its inhabitants realize.

  9. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    The last three candidtes that the Herald went after were Rex, Ryan, and Virginia, all of which won, so in the future the Herald should support conservative candidates and see if they fail to win.

  10. June 5, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    The Herald doesn’t support developer puppet candidates. Sorry.

  11. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    None of the winning candidates fit that category, sorry.

  12. June 5, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Yes they do, and so do you “Just Middle Class.”

  13. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    You know who I am and I do not know who your are so it is hard to have a argument about that point.

  14. Thirdeye
    June 5, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Heraldo, you really should refrain from name-calling in this situation. It makes you look petulant and childish.

  15. 713
    June 5, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Or winners

  16. June 5, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    You’ll have to take it on faith that the Herald supports candidates who don’t pander to developers.

  17. June 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    I call ’em as I see ’em.

  18. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Have Sundberg and Bass actually turned out to be “developer puppet candidates?” Can you cite specific examples of votes they’ve cast that served their alleged puppet-masters?

    And does Lovelace count as a “developer puppet candidate” since he’s actively advocated for Foster-Gill’s ginormous suburban subdivision development in Ridgewood?

    Foster-Gill, a giant corporate out-of-area developer would be building this monstrosity way out at the edge of the suburbs, replacing working timberlands with 1,400 residential units and more than 200,000 square feet of commercial space — with the commercial space alone being nearly three times the size of the new WalMart at the Bayshore Mall.

    Bonnie Neeley took thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Foster-Gill, which is asking the county to change their zoning to allow for this many units — did that make her a “developer puppet candidate?”

  19. Thirdeye
    June 5, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    If Heraldo says that 65% of the voters in the 1st District are developer puppets, it must be so.

  20. June 5, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Candidates. Not voters.

  21. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Developers are local builders who provide housing for new buyers, and for some have become evil. Just as a retail person or a service provider risks their capital to hope for a profit, so do “developers”. Every house built by other than the homeowner, was built by a developer, including the old houses in Eureka. So, I guess, I do not understand what is evil about building housing. Oh, God, did I just throw fat in the fire?

  22. June 5, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Next report from the elections office not expected for 30-45 minutes, according to T-S.

  23. Not an Expert
    June 5, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Charley Custer just said on KMUD that Rex Bohn is the only professional pot candidate running for office. Perhaps Fox Farm will have to find a new fertilizer miner in January.

  24. Thirdeye
    June 5, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    I didn’t know just middle class was a candidate.

  25. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    With just the mail-in ballots (at least those that were received ahead of time, as opposed to those dropped off at a polling place) Estelle Fennell has a modest lead of 51%-48%, which sounds like good news for Estelle’s campaign, though this is actually a lead of only 101 votes over Clendenen.

    One factor that I haven’t heard discussed is that, compared to past years, an increasing number of the mail-in votes are from rural areas where there is no longer any polling place to go to. So if Estelle’s (presumed) advantage among rural voters has already been accounted for in the totals we have so far, then Clif only being behind by 101 votes at this point — before any of the results from the polling places have come in — might in fact be very good news for Clif’s campaign.

    I guess we’ll find out the final result pretty soon…or hopefully at least by tomorrow.

  26. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Second report is in, but no new vote totals from the 2nd district.

    Lots of additional votes in the 1st district and some in the 3rd, with Bohn and Lovelace holding onto their massive leads in the 1st and 3rd, respectively.

    In the 4th district HCDCC race, Linda Atkins (with 993 votes) has squeaked past Virginia Bass (975) as the top vote-getter.

    Pam Servicein 3rd place (794) still outpolling Bob Service in 4th place (737).

    Looks like those four will most likely end up as the top four vote-getters. But Richard Marks is not far behind, currently in fifth place with 677 votes.

    Not sure if there are still any outstanding precincts in the 4th district or not, or enough votes outstanding to change any.

  27. June 5, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    2nd report shows Clif has pulled a small lead over Estelle.

  28. Anonymous
    June 5, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Rightmost column, H. The one thaqt says “Total” os the one that counts.

  29. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    The second report total is the last column not the first, Estelle still leads.

  30. just middle class
    June 5, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    Estelle has 1624 to Cliff’s 1523

  31. Sunny
    June 5, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Heraldo, it’s exactly the opposite. Don’t make Hank’s mistake of looking at the “Absentee” numbers. It’s here on page 7 top right under “Total”:
    Fennell 51.38
    Clendenon 48.18

  32. June 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Ah, yes. You’re right.

  33. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Basically, in the Second Report, NO additional votes have yet been reported from the 2nd district.

    The totals are exactly the same as in the First Report, because they haven’t yet reported anything from the ballots cast at the polling places — it’s still just the mail-in ballots, the only difference in the Second Report is that they broke the mail-in ballots out into two different categories: “absentees” and “early votes.”

    So, there has been no change, it’s still the same 101 vote margin for Estelle, and we’re still waiting for the results from the polling places. It’s starting to look like we quite possibly won’t get a final result there until tomorrow.

  34. tra
    June 5, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    But KMUD just reported tallies from the polling places in Garberville and Redway.

    Garberville: Estelle Fennell 88 votes, Clif Clendenen 40 votes.

    Redway: Estelle Fennell 87 votes, Clif Clendenen 45 votes.

    Great percentages for Fennell, but am I correct in saying that this seems like really LOW turnout?

    Apparently these are just the machine votes, not absentee votes dropped off at those polling places. Still, it seems like really low turnout for Redway and Garberville, which would not be good news for Fennell, who it is assumed would have to run up a big margin in SoHum to overcome Clif’s (assumed) advantage in Fortuna.

    On the other hand, we don’t know what the turnout in Fortuna was like yet. If turnout was light there, too, then I guess the two would more or less cancel out.

  35. High Finance
    June 5, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Looks like the Heraldo smear machine has failed.


  36. Anonymous
    June 5, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    How much money spent per vote?

  37. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 12:17 am

    A large number of the votes from 2nd district polling places just came in, and now Estelle is ahead by a significantly larger margin:

    Fennell: 2,460 votes 53.42%

    Clendenen: 2,126 votes 46.17%

    So, that’s a lead of 334 votes for Estelle.

    According to the commentary on KHUM, probably only about 400 or 500 votes left to be counted. Not sure if any of those outstanding votes are machine votes from polling places, or whether they’re all mail-in ballots that were handed in at the polling places.

    Either way, if the estimate from the KHUM host is accurate, it would be nearly impossible for Clif to catch up. Only possibilities I could see would be either there are a lot more outstanding votes than the KHUM hosts estimated, and/or most of the outstanding votes are from some specific precincts where Clif won by a huge margin.

    So it’s looking very good for Estelle at this point. But we probably won’t know for sure until tomorrow.

  38. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 12:55 am

    It sucks to be Mark Lovelace!

  39. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 1:00 am

    According to KMUD, it sounds like the Fourth (and apparently final) Report is in, and it looks like a 4% margin of victory for Estelle, a difference of 221 votes. 4% is a solid win, but it’s certainly not a massive blow-out or anything. Hopefully Estelle will bear that in mind as she begin to move from campaign mode into governing mode, and she will work hard to find common ground and reasonable compromises wherever possible. From what I know of Estelle, I’m hopeful that that’s exactly what she’ll do.

    Now an interesting question will be whether the Board will attempt to push some controversial items (most notably the General Plan Update) through during the rather long lame-duck period between now and when the new Board is seated in January 2013. I think that would be really unfortunate, and hopefully they won’t try to do that. Of course if they did so, and then it turns out that what they pass isn’t acceptable to a majority on the new Board, the new Board could always reverse some of those decisions…but that seems like it would be a real waste of time and energy.

    On the other hand, if the GPU is still awaiting action when the new supervisors are seated, Fennell and Bohn may find themselves in the awkward position of a dog that has chased and chased a car…only to find that this time they’ve actually caught it…and then what!?

    Try to send the GPU process back to the starting line (or at least back to some mid-point), form Community Advisory Committees and get a lot more public input before moving toward taking action — or just move ahead and vote on specific items, maybe in some cases differently than Seidner or Clendenen would have? It will be fascinating to see what happens next.

  40. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 1:03 am

    Supervisor Fennell. Sounds great!

  41. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 1:11 am

    It will also be interesting to see if those who have been working so hard to demonize Fennell as some kind of ultra-conservative, “tool of the developers” will suddenly find it a bit more convenient to soften their rhetoric a tad, and maybe try working with her instead of just writing her off.

  42. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Hank Sims gets a B+ this time around for his predictions.

  43. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 1:17 am

    As a paid rep for HumCPR I would say she was being used as a front for moneyed interests. As a county supervisor, I would hope she is a representative for the people.

  44. Eric Kirk
    June 6, 2012 at 1:24 am

    It sucks to be Mark Lovelace!

    I don’t know. It kind of makes his job easier.

  45. just middle class
    June 6, 2012 at 1:28 am

    This has been a great evening.

  46. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 2:21 am

    Looks like the four winners in the 4th district HCDCC race are Linda Atkins, Virginia Bass, Pam Service and Bob Service, with Atkins and Bass with nearly equal support (Atkins slightly ahead). Looks like Richard Marks narrowly failed to make the cut. So that’s a 3 out of 4 victory for the existing ruling faction on the HCDCC.

    Now, will Atkins follow through on her threat to possibly try to prevent Bass from being seated as a voting member of the HCDCC because Bass supported Bohn against HCDCC-endorsed Seidner?

    That would be rather awkward, to say the least, given that Bass got a very impressive number of votes, more than either Pam or Bob Service and nearly as many as Atkins herself. And of course given Bohn’s huge margin of victory, it appears that a very large number of Democrats must have voted for him. So is the HCDCC really going to overrule the votes of rank-and-file Democratic voters in order to prevent Bass from taking her seat as a voting member? And if they do, who would then be seated? Next in line in terms of votes would be Richard Marks, but presumably they’d disqualify him on the same basis. After that, you’re talking about candidates who got a whole lot less votes from the rank-and-file than the folks they’d be disallowing, and that’s going to look pretty screwy if they go that route. Or I guess they could just appoint someone else entirely, but then that person wouldn’t have any kind of mandate from the rank-and-file. And then I suppose the last option would be to just leave that seat unfilled, and hold another election in the future.

    Quite a little conundrum. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what happens at the upcoming meeting.

  47. skippy
    June 6, 2012 at 3:19 am

    Portions of the Final Report are in at the Humboldt Sentinel: http://humboldtsentinel.com/2012/06/06/humboldt-county-election-results-second-report/

  48. skippy
    June 6, 2012 at 3:23 am

    Or, you can view the full Final Report with the Elections Department here: http://co.humboldt.ca.us/election/results/2012/2012jun-electionnightfinalreport.pdf

  49. TexaCali
    June 6, 2012 at 6:16 am

    Too bad about Cliff. It’s our loss.

  50. Just sayin'
    June 6, 2012 at 6:32 am

    Whose loss? Not the second district. Perhaps that’s what happens when you have an out of district campaign manager, it makes you look like you are not in touch with your own district.

  51. just middle class
    June 6, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Clif aligned himself with Mark, whcih did not go over well in his Dist.

  52. Not an Expert
    June 6, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Mark will continue to kick ass for his district while working hard for the rest of us to make Humboldt County a better place to live. Trails, increased broadband to rural areas, getting the Klamath dams removed, getting more airline service (which Estelle said she doesn’t think is important but calls herself the “jobs” candidate), etc. Most of what Mark has done has not been controversial, and he will keep up the good hard work on behalf of the whole county.

    Rex and Estelle have a lot to learn, I hope they get started soon. Everyone has a lot to learn when they win this job. I hope they have some smart reliable confidantes that will help them with the steep learning curve.

  53. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 7:35 am

    How many times must the extremists lose before before they understand that compromise is a good thing? Their total unwillingness to consider a middle ground in the GPU and elsewhere has gotten them nothing but resounding failures in every election since the moderate majority got fed up and organized themselves. The almost amusing part is that the far left had 90% of what they wanted in their hands, a done deal, until they got greedy. Now where are they. There is also lesson here for the new winners too.

  54. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Can Heraldo state who some of these developers are.?
    What do they want to they want to develop? Is this just a ploy to stir nimby fear in the masses?

  55. Anon
    June 6, 2012 at 7:45 am

    I wonder how many people who voted for Estelle will be surprised at what they are getting. She wants to scrap the General Plan Update which has so many better protections for rivers and salmon. She has represented the gravel mining company at public hearings.

    She wants a house on every parcel – more houses will mean less water for fish and people, and more work for volunteer firefighters that are already spread so thin. But if that’s what SoHum wants, go for it, it’s your community.

  56. just middle class
    June 6, 2012 at 7:49 am

    7:35 how true. The whole General Plan Update (rewrite) was a mess. Now the new Board has to deal with this mess. The original plan to release a huge plan and even larger EIR and give the public only 30 days to review it was a mistake, then they gave more time and it has been impossible to read the plan, EIR, and all of the addenda (including the birth control part) and make any sense of it. It is probably best to start over with the original task of updating the Framework Plan and not throw good money after bad.

  57. firesidechet@hotmail.com
    June 6, 2012 at 7:51 am

    so long Alternative A!

  58. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 7:52 am

    So is the HCDCC really going to overrule the votes of rank-and-file Democratic voters in order to prevent Bass from taking her seat as a voting member?

    Never underestimate the will of an angry person.

  59. Down the Road
    June 6, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Using Rex Bohn as an example: It pays to be a phony in Humboldt

  60. Dick Wad
    June 6, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Not an expert, your name is perfect. You have not a clue of Marks record. Just the stupid propaganda. He has been nutted, thank you people of Humboldt. All his re-election shows is the stupidity of the voters in Arcata and Karen’s bad campaign.

  61. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:02 am

    “So is the HCDCC really going to overrule the votes of rank-and-file Democratic voters in order to prevent Bass from taking her seat as a voting member?”

    Lest you forget that Estelle is on the HCDCC too along with her manager Kathleen and a bunch of other new moderates. Does anyone think that there is the will to throw off TWO sitting supervisors? Seems like that would just reenforce the extremism that caused the far left to lose in the first place.

    A more compelling argument would be for Atkins, Boyd, Service, and Co to resign in the disgrace that their failed policies have created. Not likely, but if they weren’t quite so mean and bitter they might see that they are reaping what they have sown and that maybe it’s time to actually try to work together. Probably won’t happen but it’s something to think about.

  62. just middle class
    June 6, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Down the Road, it does not pay to be a phony in Humboldt County. Just ask Cliff, he ran as a conservative and became a liberal, and now does not have a job. With Rex, what you see is what you get, no phony there. He will be a great Sup and so will Estelle. It is kind of like the old days when we had Arcata and 4 regular folks.

  63. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Incredibly low turnout, I really had no idea it would be so low. No bragging rights there. It would be telling if any of these candidates claim anything close to unanimous support in their districts. If another percent of voters would have chimed in, it could have “swayed the vote”…hence all the vague and misleading bullshit. How can somebody like rex be proud of how he got his new $80k/year job when he flatly lied to individual voters by playing both sides of literally every major issue? How can fennel feel good about her campaign based on “property rights” and “rural living” when she damn well knows she wants to develop the bejeezus out of the surrouding forests? That means tons of new water taps, mountains of new pavement…permanently razed “rural” land. Let’s see how many single home projects she supports vs. multiplex. And don’t get me wrong about it, I think lovelace’s ideas about going big in town are just as counterproductive.

    …and I’m especially curious as to how our local media representatives are going to continue reporting on “our” representatives subsequent activities. Their campaign tactics were bottom of the barrel, and everybody who paid attention damn well knows it whoever they were supporting. You can lie to others but you can’t lie to yourself.

  64. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:30 am

    ” It is kind of like the old days when we had Arcata and 4 regular folks.”

    Yep, the good ol’ boys in the good ol’ days, walking all over everything and everybody like they own the place.

  65. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:33 am

    “How can somebody like rex be proud of how he got his new $80k/year job”

    …actually I can answer my own question…getting over six grand deposited direclty into his bank account every month (paid for by the public) with perks and bennies is how. All to do exactly what he was doing before, hustling for developers.

  66. High Finance
    June 6, 2012 at 8:46 am

    “But if they weren’t quite so mean and bitter”

    You mean like the anonymi at 7.59am, 8.28am, 8.30am and 8.32am ?

  67. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:49 am

    thanks for reading, ‘high finance’!

  68. June 6, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Congratulations to all the winners of their respective positions.

  69. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 8:57 am

    “That would be rather awkward, to say the least, given that Bass got a very impressive number of votes, more than either Pam or Bob Service and nearly as many as Atkins herself.”

    There would be nothing awkward about it at all, considering her placement is based on a lie to begin wiht. Lifelong republican turning democrat right when she decides to run for office, yet keeping the same agenda while riding that platform to “victory”?

    It’s narrow minded to think things like “let’s put it all behind us”…this is the chain of events that leads to a monopoly of government, they shouldn’t be forgotten or swept under the rug. Look at the literal number of people who voted…if the general public really knew what was going on, they would be very upset at how politics are going down in their communities right now.

  70. longwinds
    June 6, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Horsepucks. The green machine has kept losing through the last 3 election cycles because they wouldn’t adjust their tactics of bullying and absolutism built on public exclusion. This makes for bad policy as well as bad politics. This lesson should have been learned two years ago. Now can we all agree?

    In fairness, Mark has an impressive posse of Arctans at his back, facing the rest of the county united against him. It didn’t have to turn out this way.

    Word, 7:35

  71. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 9:35 am

    “green machine”? Grow up and get real. Obviously not green as in money, because the “non-green machine” or whatever you’d call it has been spending a whole lot more money to falsley advertise their agenda.

    No, we cannot all agree, as I do not agree with you. I am not bitter about the results of the election, I’m disgusted by the conduct of the candidates who won, and as a permanent resident, I am absolutely appauled at their actual plans for developing this area.

  72. Percy
    June 6, 2012 at 9:37 am

    So you don’t think money had anything to do with any of the elections Longwind? Money to buy a billboard, money to send out false mailers.

  73. Thirdeye
    June 6, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Since some are unclear on the concept, here’s what is meant by “green machine.” It’s the clique of ideologues from the Green Party, Democracy Unlimited, EPIC, NEC, Baykeeper, the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee, Healthy Humboldt, the Salzman machine, and Heraldo’s acolytes. They’ve been so absorbed by their circle jerk that they’ve lost sight of what the rest of the county is concerned about. Neely and Clendenen made the mistake of thinking they could establish a power base by aligning themselves with it. Girard thought it would be strong enough to protect him if he flouted process and made a sweetheart deal with Healthy Humboldt. Reality bites.

    Clendenen was elected with 38% of the vote and governed as if he had a mandate. Big mistake.

  74. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 11:53 am

    So, you think Bass ‘n Bohn won’t govern as if they had a mandate with their respective 38% and 33% turnouts?

    Too bad it took Bohn so much costly fraud for such a disgraceful turnout.

  75. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 11:57 am

    “A more compelling argument would be for Atkins, Boyd, Service.”

    That makes no sense. Atkins was the top vote getter, and the Pam and Bob Service were both solidly in the top 4. They earned their seats by winning the votes of the rank-and-file. So did Bass. They should all be able to work together, and will need to if the HCDCC is to have any relevance.

    By the way, just a little reminder here that, out of a field of something like 10 2nd Congressional District candidates, both Virginia Bass and Mark Lovelace supported the same person — Susan Adams. None of these folks are as far apart ideologically as one might think from the polarizing debate found on the blogs. Thank goodness for that.

  76. Jack Sherman
    June 6, 2012 at 11:59 am

    “How many times must the extremists lose before before they understand that compromise is a good thing?”

    How many times must elected leaders compromise before they realize they lost their political base long ago….along with 67% of the local electorate in this election that stayed home?

    Not counting the thousands more that are unregistered because compromise has so thoroughly blurred party values.

  77. tra
    June 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Sorry, the quote I was objecting to was “A more compelling argument would be for Atkins, Boyd, Service, and Co to resign…”

    No, those who won seats by winning the most votes from the rank-and-file should not resign, they should take the seats they’ve earned and work together as best they can.

  78. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    “Sorry, the quote I was objecting to was “A more compelling argument would be for Atkins, Boyd, Service, and Co to resign…”

    Perhaps you should reconsider the sentence in the context of the entire paragraph and post. You might realize that there was absolutely no suggestion made that they actually resign but only that they reconsider their approach and tactics to include include compromise and cooperation rather than simply mean spirited attack and polarization, not that they have a monopoly in that department.

  79. Thirdeye
    June 6, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    11:53 doesn’t know the difference between percentage of votes cast and election turnout.

    HCDCC has already lost its relevance. It’s going to take a while to clean up after Atkins’ nest-fouling. She gave a gratuitous insult to the considerable body of Democratic voters who voted for Bohn and Fennell. Finding a way to move forward through disagreements was never her strong suit, and it is the skill that is most needed now. Will she eat her humble pie? She seems way too arrogant to do that.

  80. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    thirdeye, you know as well as everybody, they literally…can that be stressed enough?…literally lied about their affiliation. bohn literally…literally…played both sides of the issues. How it is that you can okay that is one thing, but you don’t speak for anybody other than those like yourself who see no problem with their bullshit.

  81. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    thirdeye, I should have read your other posts before responding, because you’re not worth responding to. You know in your own heart you are so far gone to “a side” that you are lost.

  82. Thirdeye
    June 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    If you define the “sides” as “Green Machine” and “Everybody Else,” I am far gone to the side of “Everybody Else” along with some 70% of those who voted in the First District.

    Bohn was actually more forthright on some issues than Seidner was. Seidner made some vague promises that the GPU could be fixed after it was adopted. Bohn had more to say about the process for fixing it.

  83. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    You’re writing all the general definitions, thirdeye. Some of us are calling out specifics. This is depressing more than anything, to see the SAME OLD BULLSHIT going down AGAIN.

  84. Anonymous
    June 6, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    As far as the GPU is concerned, it is thankfully no longer about alternative A or Alternative D. The Planning Commission has put forward their own alternative, based on several years of public input and deliberations. It is not all that the liberal elite want, nor is it all that the property rights crowd wants. Even so, when it comes down to it, there is not much in the hefty document that is very controversial (a few issues notwithstanding). Hopefully, the Board will recognize this and move the process forward so we can be done with this lengthy, polarized Update process.

  85. firesidechet
    June 8, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    it will be more fun watching Lovelace squirm for the next few years…almost better than if he had lost……
    Karma is a wonderful thing.

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