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Tuesday meeting: supes to discuss restricting use of county properties by the public

The Board of Supervisors will be hearing a report tomorrow, Tuesday, on a proposed ordinance to deal with restrictions on the use of county properties. The Board meeting starts at the courthouse in Eureka at 9 AM; this is agenda item H.

This is an opportunity to let the Board know how you feel about the urgency ordinance that created a curfew at the courthouse and prevents the laying of signs on the ground or the provision of a card table for literature.  There’s still time to sign a petition asking for the Board to repeal the ordinance.

This would also be a good opportunity to ask the Board how much it is spending to defend the ordinance against Janelle Egger’s constitutional challenge. Egger, along with two Korean/Vietnam era veterans, was arrested for remaining present at the courthouse after 9:30 PM. She has filed suit against the county.

County Chief Administrative Officer Philip Smith-Hanes has prepared a report at the Board’s direction. One interesting comment from the report:

“…the Board might reconsider its prior direction to prepare an ordinance regulating use of county properties. While staff believes that it is advisable to have clearer guidelines for dealing with property uses in the future, it has been suggested through meetings with various stakeholders that the County’s time could be more productively spent addressing topics which underlie various social concerns. These include but are not limited to homelessness, availability of public restroom facilities, regulation of the banking industry, political campaign finance reform, mental health issues, adequate enforcement of existing laws, provision of a space for exchange of ideas.”

The report is available at: http://co.humboldt.ca.us/board/agenda/questys/mg218423/as218468/as218470/ai222222/do223405/bosagendaitem.pdf

It includes letters in opposition to the ordinance from the Human Rights Commission and other groups.

  1. Anonymous
    June 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    A mountain out of a mole hill. LOL.

  2. Ponder z
    June 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    a few assholes ruin it for all.
    socialism!

  3. felix
    June 19, 2012 at 2:41 am

    Anyone driving up from garberville?
    923-1465

  4. High Finance
    June 19, 2012 at 10:33 am

    I see the homeless camp in front of the Courthouse has been dismantled yesterday & today.

    Are they trying to fool the Supervisors into voting to repeal the ordinance ?

  5. Just Middle Finance
    June 19, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Bootstraps! Survival of the fittest! We don’t need socialized education nor Socialist Security. Less taxes and only the essentials; Police services and the Military. Let freedom ring!

  6. High Finance
    June 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Factless, go get a job. Stop hanging around the Courthouse.

  7. Anonymous
    June 19, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Since we don’t let people bleed to death in the street, we provide socialized medicine in the form of Emergency Room Services.

    Since hungry and cold people with nothing left to lose have a strong incentive to commit crimes (or are considered criminal because they are sleeping and crapping in restricted spaces), we provide socialized housing and food in the form of our prisons and jails.

    Somehow this extremely expensive form of socialism is more appealing to the HI Fi’s of this country than lower cost services. If you don’t think emergency room care and prisons are draining our finances, you haven’t been paying attention to the State budget or the overwhelming cost of health care paid by individuals and businesses.

    How can you “force” people using these services to “get a job”? The only threat is to send them to jail where they’ll receive the very expensive socialized services.

  8. Fact Checker
    June 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Supervisors vote to have staff look at amending urgency ordinance
    The Times-Standard Posted: 06/19/2012 01:07:37 PM PDT

    The Humboldt County Board of Supervisors today narrowly approved a motion to have staff look at amending certain parts of the courthouse urgency ordinance enacted in March.

    Currently, the urgency ordinance restricts protest activities between 9:30 p.m. and 6 a.m., prohibits people from erecting structures or securing items to county property, prohibits camping on the courthouse grounds, obstructing access or interfering with the passage of others and more.

    The supervisors voted 3-2, with 1st District Supervisor Jimmy Smith and 2nd District Supervisor Clif Clendenen dissenting, to direct county staff to look into modifying the urgency ordinance to repeal the overnight protest restriction, modify the signage component to disallow signs being held or erected overnight and involve the city of Eureka in discussions about the ordinance.

    Third District Supervisor Mark Lovelace made the motion, stating the current urgency ordinance hasn’t been completely effective.

    ”This has simply moved the issue from the courthouse property to the sidewalk,” Lovelace said.

    Lovelace was joined by 5th District Supervisor Ryan Sundberg and 4th District Supervisor Virginia Bass in agreeing that the ordinance should be changed to allow people to protest at night and hold candlelight vigils.

    Smith said he couldn’t support repealing the overnight restriction, and that those who want to protest overnight need to go through some sort of noticing or permit process.

    Clendenen agreed. He said it costs too much to have law enforcement officials patrol the area throughout the night.

    ”We are so limited in our funding,” Clendenen said.

    Fifteen people spoke about the urgency ordinance during public comment — one voiced support for the ordinance and the recent clean up of the courthouse by the Occupy Eureka group and Eureka Police Department.

    Staff recommendations for amending the urgency ordinance will be presented to the board at a future date. In order to change the ordinance, county counsel said the board must go through the typical process of introducing an ordinance and having a second reading of the ordinance.

    http://www.times-standard.com/breakingnews/ci_20891671/supervisors-vote-have-staff-look-at-amending-urgency?source=rss

  9. tra
    June 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    “The Humboldt County Board of Supervisors today narrowly approved a motion to have staff look at amending certain parts of the courthouse urgency ordinance enacted in March…
    …The supervisors voted 3-2, with 1st District Supervisor Jimmy Smith and 2nd District Supervisor Clif Clendenen dissenting, to direct county staff to look into modifying the urgency ordinance to repeal the overnight protest restriction, modify the signage component to disallow signs being held or erected overnight and involve the city of Eureka in discussions about the ordinance.”

    http://www.times-standard.com/breakingnews/ci_20891671/supervisors-vote-have-staff-look-at-amending-urgency?source=rss

  10. tra
    June 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Oh, somebody beat me to it.

  11. Felix
    June 19, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    Indeed a more detailed report than I would have managed – Fact Checker takes good notes, if a little sterile. Since I have no need to appear objective, I will only add that 15 people spoke eloquently! Including an elder who noted to the Board that she had lived in Germany as Hitler was coming to power and that these types of laws were very similar to what she saw in the lead up to his ‘success’. Others tried to make the same point, but it didn’t carry near the same weight….
    The Board played polite flak catchers though I doubt anything they heard changed their thinking. If they were even really listening
    Phillip Smith-Haine’s report of his many meetings with the public may have made some impression……
    Clif said it was just prohibitively expensive to police – which is true, IF one felt the way it had been policed was appropriate. Like was it really necessary to have a dozen cops on overtime removing signs from a fence that should never have been erected? One ‘beat cop’ stationed on the plaza in front of the courthouse could have enforced all the existing laws and saved the county a ton of money! That was their choice – to go police state instead of recognizing we’re all getting screwed and facilitate the discussion.
    One of them said “A barca-lounger is not free speech” conveniently forgetting that barca-loungers did not appear until after the ordinance pushed the group onto the sidewalk….
    An exercise in futility perhaps, but I don’t feel like a ‘good citizen’ stands by while their government devolves – further.
    It is OUR govt., it is OUR county and for better or worse, it is OUR country.
    As the ordinance is now up for modification (dunno if this means it is not in effect now – doubt it) it means there is more time for public comment.
    Likelihood is far greater than not you ARE part of the 99% – fight creeping fascism or what happens to the US of A cannot be blamed entirely on politicians!

  12. Felix
    June 19, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Oh yeah, JMF says “only the essentials; Police services and the Military. Let freedom ring!” Do you realize how absolutely asinine that sounds? Jeez – no wonder things are such a mess (much worse than the kind you complain about in front of the courthouse!).

  13. tra
    June 19, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    “Fact Checker takes good notes, if a little sterile.”

    Fact Checker’s comment (and the quote in my comment) was simply a copy-and-paste of the article from the Times-Standard. FC just forgot to put it in quotation marks and/or italics.

  14. High Finance
    June 19, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Jimmy Smith & Cliff Clendenen, both leaving the board, showed more backbone than the other three.

    The others should tred carefully here. The so called Occupy people who are trashing the Courthouse are overwhelmingly unpoplular among the great majority of Eurekans.

    Those who take their base for granted could find themselves on the unemployment line come the next election. They may make the mistake of trying to appeal to the likes of Heraldo & Factless when those fools only represent the lunatic fringe of the left wing.

  15. Fact Checker
    June 20, 2012 at 7:27 am

    It was a copy and paste from the T-S. My error to not include quote marks in my hurry to share current information.

  16. Smart 5th Grader
    June 20, 2012 at 7:53 am

    High Hater said:
    June 19, 2012 at 6:38 pm
    “The others should tred carefully here.”

    More threats High Hater?
    P.S. It is spelled “tread”

  17. Mitch
    June 20, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Fact Checker @7:27,

    It’s very gracious of you to accept someone pointing out a supposed “error” without complaint.

    Then again, you did include the line: “The Times-Standard Posted: 06/19/2012 01:07:37 PM PDT,” at the top, plus a link to what you cut-and-pasted at the bottom.

    Thanks, as always, for your comments.

  18. Agogymous
    June 20, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Thank God Almighty the “majority of Eurekans” aren’t in charge of the United States Constitution.

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