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Mitt Romney: LIAR

It just doesn’t get clearer than this.  Watch the two videos.

First, Romney “quotes” the President as saying “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that”:


The full quote from President Obama is considerably different; there’s a video clip of it after the break.

This youtube video appears to have been posted by someone opposed to Obama, since they edited in a second pass of the fragment Romney quotes.  But whoever put this at youtube was honest (or at least not a bald-faced liar like Romney) — they included the context.

  1. Eric Kirk
    July 17, 2012 at 11:54 am

    It’s not the first time he’s done that, and I guess he’s confident that many voters will never see the quote in context. All campaigns distort, but he’s definitely making an art of it.

  2. Mitch
    July 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm


    Campaigns distort, but this is not business as usual, or even a stretch of business as usual.

    Romney looks down and reads, as if surprised, a quote whose meaning is changed when it is taken out of context. This is pure, bald-faced lying, not stretching the truth or mild distortion. This is swift-boating with the candidate willing to do it himself, deadpan. What an absolute piece of shit.

    When Obama referred to “that,” he was not referring to the business anyone built. He never challenges that an entrepreneur deserves credit for their business, he just repeated the point Elizabeth Warren has made so well — that nobody’s accomplishments can be judged in a vacuum.

  3. Just Middle Finance
    July 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I am sure Hi Finance will be able to explain all this. Just wait.

  4. HUUFC
    July 17, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Obama promised his health care plan would reduce premiums by $2500, his financial rescue plan would help stop foreclosures,that unemployment would not rise above 8 percent,and that he would cut the defcit in half by the end of his first term in office, and he would lift two million Americans from poverty. LIAR.
    But he also said if he didn’t have the economy fixed in three years “there’s going to be a one-term proposition.” True.

  5. Mitch
    July 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm


    Just show us one other candidate pulling what Romney just pulled, in person, since the dawn of television.

    I’ve never seen anything like it since “your president is not a crook.” At least when Reagan lied, he thought he was telling the truth. Romney doesn’t have dementia as an excuse.

    This is also the man who insists he had nothing to do with Bain since 1999, and that filing papers with the SEC for three more years listing himself as CEO and sole shareholder must just be a technicality. For that matter, this is the guy I’m still confident committed voter fraud by voting in Massachusetts in 2002 [correction: after 2002].

    I think many Americans simply can’t understand how a nice white, presentable, well-haired rich guy like Romney can be a lying liar bastard. Maybe these clips will help.

  6. Fact Checker
    July 17, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Obama never promised “his financial rescue plan would help stop foreclosures,that unemployment would not rise above 8 percent,and that he would cut the defcit (sic) in half by the end of his first term in office” nor did the President promise he would “have the economy fixed in three years”. More Rush/Fox/Hi Fi lies. P.S. It is spelled d-e-f-i-c-i-t

  7. Anonymous
    July 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Obama’s campaign promises were largely squashed by his own party’s corporate democrats.

    Mitt’s lies are his own.

  8. Eric Kirk
    July 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I didn’t think the Bain thing had legs at first, but this thread in which Romney’s defenders are desperately trying to change the subject is a pretty good indication of fire where there’s smoke.

    I’m wondering of Romney’s lost. We’ll know in another few weeks.

  9. tra
    July 17, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    The Romney camp’s desperation is getting pretty obvious, as evidenced by their grasping so clumsily at out-of-context straws. Looks like the one-two punch of Bain’s outsourcing and Romney’s refusal to release tax returns has them very worried.

    I think they’re right to be worried. Romney’s trying to sell himself as the answer to the nation’s economic and budgetary problems, but the Obama campaign is doing a pretty effective job of undercutting that argument by pointing out how Romney made a fortune from outsourcing/offshoring jobs while also aggressively avoiding paying his fair share of taxes.

  10. Bolithio
    July 17, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Wait…, politicians lie?

  11. 69er
    July 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Anyone that is stupid enough to vote again for the idiot that proclaims to be president is two steps beyond being an idiot.

  12. HUUFC
    July 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Obummer was going to close Guantanamo Bay detention facility too, he even signed orders to do it. Of course it’s still open full of muslim murderer’s and other scumbags. I wonder if someone pointed out to Barry that it wasn’t a good idea to move them all to Illinois with all of their families, lawyer’s and supporters. However I don’t really mind they are locked up there and not here.

  13. Eric Kirk
    July 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Et tu National Review?


    And on a more comical note, McCain is trying to walk back his statement that he chose Palin over Romney because Palin was a better candidate.


  14. Mitch
    July 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm


    Of course politicians lie. It’s just very rare — I can’t remember any instance ever — that a Presidential candidate has gone in front of video cameras and deliberately misquoted his opponent, whose actual words are also on video. Usually, people have shown some evasiveness when trying to distort their opponent’s record, and they’ve usually tried to give themselves wiggle room besides a caught-kindergartner’s assertion along the lines of “but Barry said those very words!”

    I don’t know if this is just a further sign that telling the truth is no longer considered important in the Presidential race, or if it is a sign of some remarkable character flaw on Romney’s part. I lean towards the latter — I think it’s classic executive denial. I’m gobsmacked, but I won’t be too terribly shocked if the national press doesn’t make this a big issue.

    It IS a big issue — Romney would have been disqualified as the GOP Presidential candidate as of today if this were fifty years ago.

  15. tra
    July 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this were a case of one campaign’s spokespeople and surrogates taking the opposing candidate’s words out of context in an effort to mislead the public. Unfortunately, that happens pretty often.

    But I am surprised that the candidate himself got up there and did the dirty deed himself, especially in a case like this where the out-of-context version of the quote is so completely, blatantly misleading.

    I guess Romney’s camp must hope most people only hear the out-of-context sentence, and not the sentences immediately before and after. But it’s pretty risky, because Romney has tempted the media with an easy opportunity to ridicule him, and given them good reason to want to do so by so blatantly insulting their intelligence. If the way most people hear this story is framed as some version “Romney blatantly lies about Obama quote,” he’s going to take a hit among undecided voters.

    Sure, the Fox News and right wing radio audience will hear the out-of-context quote over and over, just as the Romney camp intends, but so what? He already has their vote pretty well nailed down. He needs to appeal to undecided voters, and I his attack on Straw Obama today isn’t likely to help him in that regard, and may in fact backfire.

    One rule of politics that seems to transcend parties and ideologies is this: In election campaigns, desperation often leads to miscalculation.

  16. Bolithio
    July 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I cant think of any specific ‘misquote’ lies, but read my lips, presidential candidates (and elects) lie every term!

    In a world of sound bites, its so easy is misquote something, intentionally or not, it is something hard to prove in a court of law.

  17. Mitch
    July 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    “Read my lips, no new taxes” was a statement of the candidate’s intent, the same as Obama’s statement that he’d shut down Guantanamo. You can argue over whether Bush pere knew he would not be able to fulfill that promise, and over whether Obama knew he couldn’t politically fulfill his, but neither statement is in the same league as blatantly, intentionally misquoting your opponent. Not even close. This is much more comparable to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, except here it’s the candidate himself, instead of an arm’s length group.

  18. Cable Viewer
    July 17, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    All politicians are liars. If by some miracle an honest candidate were elected, they would become sworn liars as they entered the inner circles of government. So, it’s no bid deal that Mitt is a liar. What is a big deal: he won’t release his tax returns.

  19. Anonymous
    July 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Romney’s misquote of what Obama said and the subsequent echoing of that lie through the right wing echo chamber which has for years portraying Obama as a socialist who hates the US and business in particular was deliberate and calculated. He and his handlers know that the people who get their views from the right wing propaganda machine aren’t smart enough to understand the importance of context and are too lazy to do any research.

    What Obama said was undeniably true which is why they are so desperate to spin it into an untruth. Even at the fundamental levels of transporting your product to market, whether that is by train, truck, plane, ship or internet, without the investment of tax dollars you would have no route to do so. Without public education there would not only be a shortage of adequate workers, but a shortage of people able to buy your products. Without a justice system you would have no protection from thieves, etc. They won’t admit any of these truths because it gets in the way of their message that government is the problem, never the solution. What sort of intelligent person would hire someone for a job that the applicant says shouldn’t be done?

  20. HUUFC
    July 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Shoot! Obama IS a socialist that does hate the United States of America or is he a marxist? I’m not sure.

  21. Anonymous
    July 17, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    HUUFC proved my point.

  22. Eric Kirk
    July 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    According to Rush, the new Batman movie is an anti-Romney plot. You see, the villain is named “Bane.” Romney’s now controversial company is “Bain.” Bane. Bain. Coincidence? Rush thinks not!


    What makes the conspiracy so profound is that the villain was introduced to Batman lore nearly two decades ago (about when Romney was coming into politics, but mysteriously, before he worked at Bain! Bane also made an appearance in the George Clooney Batman movie. Clooney is a liberal activist!

  23. Thorstein Veblen
    July 17, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    And, despite all the lies, the half-truths, the secrecy and the cynicism, Romney is essentially dead-even with Obama. And has a good chance to win even. Huh?

  24. Anonymous
    July 18, 2012 at 4:23 am

    I’m buying stock in makers of holy underwear.

  25. Mitch
    July 18, 2012 at 7:31 am


    It’s quite a comment on democracy in the Citizens United age, isn’t it? Yet we’re all in the same boat, even if most of us are kept below decks. It begins to feel like collective punishment to watch “the people” vote for the worst choice, over and over: Reagan, Bush, W, Schwarzenegger.

    There will always be some percentage of the population that is simply blind — the task facing anyone who still hopes for change through democratic elections is to at least shake loose some of those who are not completely blind, but who are tempted to listen to those who are.

    The HUUFCs and Just Watchins of the world are beyond anyone’s reach, I think; I can see no point in attempting to convince them. It’s still important to point out the many, many ways in which they have lost contact with reality, because there are people who are persuadable.

  26. Mitch
    July 18, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Talking Points Memo does us all a service by showing how Fox News lined the pins up for Romney’s Big Lie. If you want to see “journalism”-as-total-fraud, it simply doesn’t get clearer than this:


    My cynicism can never keep up with these people. But the larger problem is the feeble rest-o-the-press, which simply unwilling to point out the indecency. Sure enough, the Gray Lady had nothing about this, at least on the front page. That’s criminal. Criminal.

  27. Mitch
    July 18, 2012 at 8:08 am

    (You have to click the video at the bottom of the TPM article. Without seeing the video, you don’t get the full stench of sulfur and corpses.)

  28. Fuzzy
    July 18, 2012 at 8:33 am

    We’ve had a Catholic, and now a non-white President; Romney would be our first non-Christian President. He won’t be elected, though, and we’ll have Christian bigots to thank for keeping our Supreme Court from being even worse. How weird is that?

  29. Bolithio
    July 18, 2012 at 8:58 am

    According to Rush, the new Batman movie is an anti-Romney plot. You see, the villain is named “Bane.” Romney’s now controversial company is “Bain.” Bane. Bain. Coincidence? Rush thinks not!

    Thanks Eric, that is awesome! I knew it all along!!

  30. High Finance
    July 18, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Who “invested in those roads and bridges” ? It wasn’t government who paid for them.

    It was the businesses & businessmen (business people?) who paid taxes and provided jobs for everybody else so some of them could pay the taxes as well.

    It isn’t government that allows businesses and the country to survive. It is businesses that provide the foundation to allow the government to survive.

  31. High Finance
    July 18, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Eric & Bolithio don’t understand satire.

  32. Bolithio
    July 18, 2012 at 9:57 am

    You try being half Vulcan Hi-fi! Your world is confusing and unlogical to me.

  33. Eric Kirk
    July 18, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Unfortunately High Finance, Rush was completely earnest about it. If he wasn’t, his own callers didn’t get it, and he did nothing to correct them. Fox News has not reported it as satire either.

    I wish it was. It would restore my faith in humanity a bit.

  34. FUUHC
    July 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Hi Fi is correct. “It wasn’t government who paid for them(roads and bridges)”, it was the blue collar people who built the bridges and the blue collar people who pay the greatest portion of the taxes. Do you really think the Manila Bridge was built for the “people” of Manila? No, it was built for the Mills, the businessmen. We own this country, we own all the property, we own all the businesses, and we own all the politicians. The era of Bone is here! Get used to it Libtards!

  35. Plain Jane
    July 18, 2012 at 11:13 am

    FUUHC knows that our government is supposed to be of the people, by the people and for the people. I just love how the frightwing claims to revere our founding documents but misrepresent them constantly.

  36. Anonymous
    July 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Fuzzy, Mormonism is a form of Christian religion.

  37. July 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    That’s the real problem, Jane. Most everyone in this country sees government as working from the TOP down. That’s why they’re incapable of reading and understanding the meanings incorporated into “our founding documents” as actual law and not some sort of fundamental principles or suggestions guiding the country. Eric comes to mind as I write this. Everyone else including progressives, Democrats, etc. get confused by these dominating arrogant oligarchs because they don’t want to be responsible or accountable for the government they think they are voting for. Too bad for them, Universal Law draws no distinction nor is it a respecter of men. This is why I am encouraged by regaining some faith in humanity when I saw what was and is motivating the Arab Spring and the Occupy Movement. Not much reason for hope, though, when you see how few people in this community actually “get it.”

  38. Eric Kirk
    July 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Joe, you’re writing the same post, over and over again. You’re adding nothing to your argument. You don’t like government and you see the election campaigns as a farce. We get it already. Anything else?

  39. Eric Kirk
  40. elvisatemydonuts
    July 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Barack Obama: LIAR

    1. Cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term = LIE

    2. Close Guantanamo Bay in his first 100 days in office = LIE

    3. Eliminate warrantless wiretapping = LIE

    4. Most transparent administration in history = LIE

    5. Eliminate earmarks = LIE

    6. Provide “shovel ready” projects = LIE

    7. Allow the American people at least 5 days to view and study any bill before being signed into law = LIE

    8. Eliminate income taxation for all seniors making less than $50,000 per year = LIE

    9. Debating and crafting the Affordable Health Care Act while broadcasting it all on CSPAN (because it’s SO important that the American people see it and get involved) = LIE

    10. Sign a major immigration bill within his first year = LIE

    11. Promise to “go through our books, page by page, line by line, to eliminate waste and inefficiency” = LIE

    12. “And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.” = LIE

    13. The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime = LIE

    14. If we passed the stimulus bill, the national unemployment rate will go down to 5.6% by 2012 = LIE

    15. “As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide.” = LIE

    16. “We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care.” = LIE

    17. We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil = LIE

    18. If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it = LIE

    19. The USA is producing more oil than ever before = LIE

    20. “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.” = LIE

    And what about all those Obama Administration bribes to Congressional Democrats (all the sweetheart deals using our tax dollars) just to scrape enough votes together (from his own party) to barely pass the unpopular “Affordable Health Care Act.”

    Oh yeah, shhhhhhh, don’t mention that the Obama administration’s “Fast and Furious” scandal is worse than Nixon’s “Watergate” with one notable difference – a sympathetic media unwilling to do its job for fear of damaging Obama’s job approval numbers during an election year.

  41. Anonymous
    July 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Who let Elvis out of the mental hospital?

  42. Anonymous
    July 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    A politician lied? WTF is the world coming to?

  43. Eric Kirk
    July 18, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”

    That’s certainly true of the health care reform, cap & trade, and states rights model for welfare reform.

  44. Anonymous
    July 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    There isn’t a single politician in any democracy in the world who can keep his promises without majority support from his fellow legislators. When presidents fail to keep their promises, the legislators who blocked them should be held accountable. A good example is Obama’s “promise” of a public option for health insurance. That was “taken off the table” immediately by Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi. Reagan, both Bushes and now Romney claimed that cutting taxes on the rich would trickle prosperity down on the country but all they did was wreck it, and congress let them. Just like their lies to make war on Iraq. Those were lies, not campaign promises that require cooperation to fulfill. I don’t think Elvis would like living a country where the president can fulfill his promises when the majority of the legislature oppose them.

  45. Plain Jane
    July 18, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    6:47 was Plain Jane. Don’t know why that didn’t post my name.

  46. firesidechet
    July 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    elvisatemyd – thanks for taking the time to shed light on this, I figure what’s the use, and who’s got the time to try and convert a bunch of emotionally driven mama’s boys?

  47. elvisatemydonuts
    July 18, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Plain Jane,

    I agree with you that no politician can fulfill promises without a majority of support from legislators, but that’s precisely what Barack Obama had in his first two years as president.

    Democrats dominated both the House and Senate and president Obama could have had just about anything he wanted with his supermajority. He could have easily ticked off that list of promises above (Post #40 – July 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm) but because of his inexperience and hubris, he chose to overreach and managed to even alienate his very own party.

    And as a result of his almost surreal inability to lead, he was unable to sway enough votes from his own Democrats to make that supermajority pay off. What a waste of two whole years and a dream opportunity for any president.

    But if you look at president Obama’s list of lies again, you’ll see that many of them didn’t require any legislative assistance at all, just the will to follow through.

  48. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 5:58 am

    There are a few flaws in your premise, Elvis. The most glaring is your claim that Obama had a “supermajority” of support for 2 years. Even if the Democrats had a supermajority in both houses, Democrats come in a wide range of flavors from very conservative to very liberal, they don’t vote in lock-step like Republicans do on every issue. However, there was a very small window of even a “supermajority” of Democrats due to Ted Kennedy’s health problems, the delay in seating Al Franken and Lieberman’s switch to independent. In fact, Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for only 134 days and that majority included some very conservative members which necessitated a compromise on a public option to benefit big campaign donors – like insurance companies. Your belief that a D behind a name, regardless of the political leanings of their constituency, means they support the president when he is of their party is naive. Not in my long life have I seen a more obstructive congress than what President Obama is dealing with today. That people like you support that obstruction but then turn around and scream “Liar!” because he isn’t a dictator who doesn’t need legislative support and blame him for the problems created by the GOP (and many Democrats) and the lack of solutions due to their obstruction is sickeningly hypocritical.

  49. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 6:01 am


    It’s telling that no one has attempted to argue on behalf of Romney’s behavior. Instead, our dittohead friends have chimed in with statements like “Obama has lied” and “every politician lies.”

    As evidence that “Obama has lied,” they provide lists of things he said he’d accomplish that he has been unable to accomplish. I won’t insult your intelligence by pointing out the difference between being unable to fulfill a campaign promise and being flatly deceptive when quoting your opponent.

    Here is a list of what Obama has accomplished, with citations — you won’t likely see it on your versions of “news.” I like the name of the blogger’s site:


    Really, though, lists such as this are superfluous when you realize President Obama successfully accomplished what had been beyond the abilities of each President since Richard Nixon first proposed the idea: providing a program under which every American will have health insurance.

    He did it using politics, which means I’m less than 100% thrilled with the result — it’s just a better version of a Republican approach, developed that way in the hopes of getting Republican support. To the extent that Obama has been “naive” in politics, it has been by thinking he was dealing with the historic Republican Party; he took far too long to realize that he has no rational opposing party with which to wheel and deal.

    But he did it, making a reasoned decision that one can agree with or not.

    He has also done the thankless job of repairing some of the damage done by W, all while being constrained by the need to placate our country’s owners. Just for starters, he implemented the correct response to the criminality of 9/11, after four years of Bush/Cheney failure to respond to 9/11. Those gentlement didn’t respond to 9/11 at all — they used it as an excuse to implement their foreign policy dreams and invade an uninvolved country. bin Laden was found and killed, and Al Queda has been on the run. All that is thanks to a willingness to use drones as opposed to “shock and awe” — drones are able to attack individual criminals with less impact on the people surrounding them, with a minimum risk of forcing escalation through the loss of American lives.

    Want to know what I think of the press? Ponder the truth of the previous paragraph for a few moments, and think about how many times you’ve seen it pointed out in any national media.

    As for “all politicians lie,” this is a popular belief and I’m as guilty of holding it as the next person. But there’s an important distinction between the glib way in which many people use it and the reality of politics. Yes, all politicians seem to inflate their accomplishments and overpromise. All successful politicians are good at “spin” — at presenting a version of reality that is to their side’s benefit. That’s simply not the same thing as the bald-faced lying that Romney is now on video performing.

  50. Just Watchin
    July 19, 2012 at 8:18 am

    “It begins to feel like collective punishment to watch “the people” vote for the worst choice, over and over: Reagan, Bush, W, Schwarzenegger”.

    Mitch…….continuing to blame Bush every chance you get is getting old. It only makes you look like a fool.

  51. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 8:29 am

    The difference between joking about people still blaming Bush and still blaming Bush is that Bush and his fellow jackasses actually did more or less destroy the country’s economy.

    How? By sending us into expensive wars of choice while giving the public tax cuts, and by utterly failing to regulate the banks. That’s how. I’m not interested in arguing with an idiot about it, but it’s objectively true.

    Historians are already recognizing him as the worst, or one of the worst, Presidents in the country’s history. No doubt he’s not entirely the mumbling fool that tortured us all in press conferences, but he had the worst advice from the most dangerous group of ideologues that any recent President has ever accepted.

    But I’m glad to see you actually do read other people’s comments, as evidenced by your insipid joke about mine.

  52. Eric Kirk
    July 19, 2012 at 8:31 am

    But the damage Bush did to the economy is actually permanent. I will admit that he had Clinton’s help with the trade agreements, and I will admit that Obama has treated the problem as cyclical rather than structural. Basically, we need some level of tariffs reinstated, or we will lose manufacturing altogether. And that’s the core problem. We don’t have enough jobs for men with only a high school education.

  53. Eric Kirk
    July 19, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Mitt’s latest ad is spreading the lie much further. They’ve edited the speech to remove all references to the infrastructure altogether.


  54. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Yes, they’ve gone all in. They are betting that the media will not call them big fat fucking liars, and it’s a pretty safe bet for them. That’s what’s happened to corporate reporting today.


  55. High Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Mitch & Eric need to stop getting all their news from Moveon.org and MSNBC.

    Pres Bush’s only “expensive war of choice” was the Iraq war and the cost of that was not enough to “destroy the country’s economy”. Obama’s disastrous spending increases dwarfs the cost of that war. It is those ongoing spending increases that threaten the future of our economy.

    Blaming Bush alone for “Utterly failing to regulate the banks” is an amazingly partisan statement. The mistakes that caused the banks problems and the bubble in the housing market were decades in the making.

    The trade agreements that actually passed under Clinton have positives as well as negatives. Some Unskilled, low paying jobs are being shipped overseas yes, but the cost of many items are now within the reach of even lower middle class Americans that never would have been possible for them before. The standard of living has been raised for many of us.

  56. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Pres Bush’s only “expensive war of choice” was the Iraq war…

    Oh, Hifi. You’re slipping.

    I’d argue your point, but this thread is supposed to be about the fact that MITT ROMNEY IS A BIG FAT FUCKING LIAR, as demonstrated by the videos at the top and now his doubling-down on the lie.

  57. Eric Kirk
    July 19, 2012 at 8:58 am

    HF – it wasn’t just the failure to regulate banks. It was deregulation. Allowing banks and funds to report toxic loans as positive assets.

    The news isn’t just from MSNBC. I’ve seen experts say the same thing on Fox News, though I don’t know if they get invited back. I had one of your fellow conservatives on my radio show last month who argued that the trade agreements have pretty much relegated the country to third world status.

    The war may not have destroyed the economy, but it is the chief cause, along with the tax cuts, for the deficit.

  58. HUUFC
    July 19, 2012 at 9:16 am

    I like the thread going all over the place, I can only guess at the anger and scrunched up faces looking at the computer screen. The federal government is spending 40 cents on the dollar borrowed, whatever the cause that path will bankrupt the country.

    Obummer has done nothing during his term in office to change that path he continues to make it worse. Can anybody out there tell me why?

  59. High Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Mitch, seriously dude, you need to get a grip.

  60. High Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Eric, bank deregulation did not start with Pres Bush.

  61. Bolithio
    July 19, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Can anybody out there tell me why?

    Because a president cant fix what they cant control. If they enable, they can have a big impact, like Clinton and Bush. If they think they are going to actually “change” Washington, they become Obama’s and are painted as “lair’s” when they cant. How do you change 535 people who are controlled by their high financed lobbyists? Teaching chess to 3-year olds might be easier.

    You really think Mitt will “fix” our economy? You don’t think he serves the very people who want to keep it this way or make it worse for their short term gains? Unless we can eliminate money driven elections and remove lobbying from congress, nothing will change. Obama or Mitt.

  62. July 19, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Hey Kirk, I wasn’t trying to talk to you, I was answering Suzy’s question. For a practicing attorney you’ve shown yourself to be mighty darn juvenile. You trying to censor this blog too? No one’s forcing you to read my posts.

  63. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Geeze HiFi, he didn’t say it did. “But the damage Bush did to the economy is actually permanent. I will admit that he had Clinton’s help with the trade agreements, and I will admit that Obama has treated the problem as cyclical rather than structural.”

    Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Clinton signed the GOP legislation which destroyed the firewall between various types of banks as well as NAFTA. It was Bush’s SEC which revoked the uptick rule.

  64. Thorstein Veblen
    July 19, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Eric, “Basically, we need some level of tariffs reinstated, or we will lose manufacturing altogether. ”

    There is another alternative, per the Romney and republican plans to re-invigorate the economy. That is for workers to work for less pay and benefits, thereby becoming competitive with Vietnam and Bengladesh workers, and for us to repeal environmental regulations so our beautiful country can become just as shitty as the poorest and most degraded on this planet.

    Of course, you don’t have to live in the shitty parts if you can afford to live in the remaining nicer areas.

    HiFi’s correct, possibly by mistake, but we find ourselves in a mess of our own making over the last 30 years or so. The biggest element is the corporate money that calls the tune our elected officials dance to, furthering all things profitable, from deregulation of banks to more wars to pizza as a vegetable in our public schools.

    And of course, by pushing so-called free market solutions, this economic system guarantees the best possible social outcomes. We all have an equal shot. Those who have it, deserve it, and those who don’t, don’t.

  65. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I’ve yet to see a single commenter arguing that Mitt Romney’s behavior doesn’t mark a new level of intentional straight-up deceit by a Presidential candidate.

  66. Smart 5th Grader
    July 19, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Under Pres Clinton (90’s), Fannie Mae only bought full documentation loans. After 2000 is when the “Liar’s” loans and the adjustable rate loans flooded the American economy with money driving up home prices. Ultimately, these “liar’s” loans went bad, the adjustable rates adjusted upwards as values plummeted. Meanwhile, the CEOs collected huge bonuses and HUGE Welfare/Bailout checks. Bush & Co. sent America into Chapter 13, managed bankruptcy, with bailout $ going to the creditors, obligations to the working class and the poor American slashed, and the bill sent to the Middle Class. What shade of treason would you say High Treason and his buds have committed?

  67. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Yes, Thorstein. The GOP has had the same agenda forever: Cut worker’s wages and rights, remove the safety net so they either starve quickly without work or starve more slowly (and from preventable diseases for lack of health insurance) on wages that won’t sustain a single person adequately, much less a family. The fact is that the working class people don’t matter at all to the masters of the universe and they don’t see why they should have to pay US workers a living wage when there are so many places where the cost of living is sp much less and the workers are already the virtual slaves they wish to make of us. Face it, people of integrity don’t exploit anyone, any where in the world, regardless of the legality. They also don’t hide the profits from bankrupting companies, shifting jobs to always more exploitable people in offshore accounts. Only a sociopath like Romney could do all of those things and then ask us to elect him president. That he thinks he can keep the tax returns from those years secret and be elected president is unbelievable. Maybe the sector of the GOP that matters doesn’t REALLY want the country back quite yet?

    This 2003 essay about PNAC really should be read by everyone before they vote to give power back to these ideologues:


  68. High Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    And what of Obama’s lies ?

    Or are those OK because he is a Democrat ?

  69. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    No, HiFi. This thread is about Mitt Romney’s personal, intentional, and deceitful misquote of the President. What about it? Tell us how it’s not so bad. Surely you can spin it into something they all do. Just find one single comparable case on video. Hey, I’ll even give you points for coming up with some comparable lies from another Republican, that ought to be easier.

    But you won’t find anything comparable, certainly not delivered by the candidate himself. Romney is a true Olympian of deceit.

  70. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    What lies, HiFi? Not campaign promises he couldn’t deliver on, but real lies.

  71. Just Middle Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    His nation of birth, his true religion, that he is a Socialist, that he wants America to become an Islamic State. Also, I heard Obama hates puppies, apple pie, baseball, and Chevy’s! Mitt and Bone are going to restore America and Humboldt County.

  72. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Sorry, JMF, the puppy thing is Mitt. http://www.dogsagainstromney.com/

  73. Just Middle Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I didn’t say I was factual, I said “I heard” this stuff. Fox is a reliable news source, right?

  74. Mitch
    July 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Sorry, JMF. My bad.

  75. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Paul Craig Roberts on labor arbitrage in 2004


  76. Just Middle Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    No, thanks for the dog link. I feel like the Mitt who profits from abortions and tortures his dog is a different Mitt than the one Rush and Fox promote. Poor dog, “Seamus suffered a bout of diarrhea that streamed down the car windows, Romney had to pull over to hose off the car and dog. Then he (Mitt) kept driving.”

  77. Just Middle Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I am starting to see a different side of my man Mitt.

    “Breaking: Mitt Romney reaps profits from imported coats made from dog and cat fur.

    12 years after “retiring” from Bain Capital, the investment firm he founded, Mitt Romney still reaps millions of dollars per year from it.

    Where does Bain get the money it pays to Mitt? A big chunk of it comes from Burlington Coat Factory, which is under investigation for “mislabeling” fur coats that have been proven to include the skins of dogs and cats killed in China.

    What is it with Mitt Romney and animal cruelty? Why does he accept money from cruel and sleazy business practices?”


    Chicago Tribune: http://goo.gl/5Mvu2

    LA Times: http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/18/news/cl-55094

    Business Insider: http://goo.gl/I9Sqs

    Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Coat_Factory

  78. Thorstein Veblen
    July 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    And yet, Romney now leads Obama in a new national poll, and has pulled even in some swing states. What am I missing?

  79. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Depends on which poll you read, Veblen. But where it counts, electoral votes, Obama wins easy.

  80. High Finance
    July 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Mitch has lost his mind & gone off the deep end.

    You people cheering him on are enablers helping him fall apart.

  81. Plain Jane
    July 19, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    He’s in auto-insult mode again because he has no response to the questions posed directly to him.

  82. High Finance
    July 21, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Pose a real question PJ. Let’s see what you got.

  83. What Now
    July 21, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Here’s a real question ‘Fried:
    How hard and how long do you think county personnel laughed when you submitted your application and letter of interest to run the Planning department?
    Hint: some are STILL laughing like hell.

  84. Plain Jane
    July 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    High Finance :
    And what of Obama’s lies ?
    Or are those OK because he is a Democrat ?

    Plain Jane :
    What lies, HiFi? Not campaign promises he couldn’t deliver on, but real lies.

    Is your scroll button broken?

  85. Anonymous
    July 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Plain Jane,

    How is the following quote by Barack Obama not a “real” lie?

    “And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America. Because workers deserve to know that somebody is standing in their corner.” -Barack Obama

    When Wisconsin’s collective bargain employees and their unions were passionately protesting on picket lines across the state, they were asking for president Obama to follow through with his promise. All they got in return was stonewalling and total silence from the president.

    Finally, at the last minute, Obama sends a generic two sentence tweet:

    “It’s Election Day in Wisconsin tomorrow, and I’m standing by Tom Barrett. He’d make an outstanding governor. -bo”

    No comfortable pair of shoes.

    No picket line.

    No truth to his pledge.

    Now Jane, please explain to us how that’s not a lie.

  86. Anonymous
    July 21, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Here’s a great article on misquoting “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen” here:


    If you are a decent and open-minded conservative, I hope you’ll find this short article to be an enlightening read.

    If you are a decent and open-minded progressive, I hope you’ll also find this short article to be an enlightening read.

    In either case, please don’t comment on the article unless you’ve read it in its entirety with an open mind.

  87. Mitch
    July 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm


    I refer you back to my July 17 3:01 reference to a caught-kindergartner’s assertion. That’s how I feel about Steyn’s reference to Romney’s lie.

    As for where the “stimulus” went, that’s pretty easy to see. Banks won’t lend so business won’t hire. Local and state governments have had their revenue streams cut more by the recession than the stimulus has or could make up. Government taxes are lower now than at most times in the second half of the twentieth century, so there is no money for hundreds of new Golden Gate Bridges. And there’ve been some expensive Bush wars (hi Just Watchin) to wrap up.

    Where did the stimulus go? First read Krugman on why the stimulus was way too small to matter. Then think bank recapitalization. And then note that unemployment is not at 50%, at least among whites, and count your blessings that there was some money used for stimulus projects.

    Steyn’s near final lines are these: “In reality, the President of Dependistan has put nothing but roadblocks in the path to opportunity and growth.”

    The columnist might be easier to respond to if he gave even one example of a roadblock the administration has conducted. Does he mean allowing a temporarily lowered tax on the wealthiest 1% to expire? Is that the roadblock in the path? Or is it implementing Romney’s Massachusetts plan to ensure everyone buys health insurance? Is that the roadblock to prosperity?

    No. What is, then? Just name one, please.

  88. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2012 at 5:07 am

    Well 9:28, I read Steyn’s article and didn’t find it the slightest bit enlightening. All he did was repeat Romney’s misquote and justify it with the same spin that’s been echoing through the frightwing media for days. That you found such a deceitful screed enlightening doesn’t say anything positive about your intellect.

    Paul Krugman’s blog thread today, The Conservative Onion, is enlightening, both about what Obama actually said and the layers of lies that have to be peeled away to get to the core of conservative ideology and exposes why what Obama said really outraged them. The Jonathan Chait and Mike Konczal essays he mentions should be read as well.


    For 9:20, that was campaign rhetoric which most people don’t take literally. While I personally wish he had been more supportive of union protests, marching in picket lines is not in his job description and would have just provided more ammo to the haters, not to mention the security nightmare it would have created. Are you going to vote for Romney because Obama didn’t march with union protesters?

  89. Mitch
    July 22, 2012 at 6:33 am


    Something very good has happened to Paul Krugman in the past few years.

    The best comment on Krugman’s blog is from “Bill K,” I think, who points out that the Romney campaign has successfully wiped Bain off the news, wiped the tax returns off the news, and put the always-defensive moderate-to-left into a defensive crouch despite the Romney argument being founded on a complete lie.

    But one commenter at that blog site has also done us the favor of posting Bertolt Brecht’s 1935 poem, “Questions from a Worker Who Reads.” Should be required reading, IMO.


    Questions from A Worker Who Reads
    Bertolt Brecht

    Who built Thebes of the seven gates?
    In the books you will find the name of kings.
    Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock?
    And Babylon, many times demolished.
    Who raised it up so many times? In what houses
    Of gold-glittering Lima did the builders live?
    Where, the evening that the Wall of China was finished
    Did the masons go? Great Rome
    Is full of triumphal arches. Who erected them? Over whom
    Did the Caesars triumph? Had Byzantium, much praised in song,
    Only palaces for its inhabitants? Even in fabled Atlantis
    The night the ocean engulfed it
    The drowning still bawled for their slaves.

    The young Alexander conquered India.
    Was he alone?
    Caesar beat the Gauls.
    Did he not have even a cook with him?
    Philip of Spain wept when his armada
    Went down. Was he the only one to weep?
    Frederick the Second won the Seven Years’ War. Who
    Else won it?

    Every page a victory.
    Who cooked the feast for the victors?
    Every ten years a great man.
    Who paid the bill?

    So many reports.
    So many questions.

    Hey, check out my insta-site http://mitt-lies.com.

  90. Plain Jane
    July 22, 2012 at 7:54 am
  91. High Finance
    July 22, 2012 at 8:06 am

    “wiped Bain off the news”

    Romney shouldn’t do that. He should trumpet the business success he has had.

    “Wiped the tax returns off the news”

    Much ado about nothing. This is just dirty politics at its worst. It only appeals to the rabid left wing partisans and the uninformed who aren’t paying attention.

  92. Mitch
    July 22, 2012 at 8:14 am


    I completely agree that Romney should focus his campaign around his successful operation at Bain and Company. He made himself hundreds of millions, and he’s clearly proud of that. He should use his success as the basis for his campaign. That would be an honest thing to do.

    As for the tax returns, your argument is with Mitt’s father, George Romney. He was the one who brought the release of multiple years’ tax returns into politics, releasing twelve years worth in his 1967 Presidential campaign. He pointed out that a year or two might not show the real picture. ‘Merica preferred Nixon.


    George Romney vs Mitt Romney is an easy way to capture what has changed in America over the last forty years. George Romney made his fortune building up an American industry; Mitt made his by dismantling American businesses and shipping them to China. George thought of public service as, well, service to the public. Mitt thinks of public service as a feather in his cap that is only his due.

  93. Mitch
    July 22, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Mitt’s tax avoidance on the Cayman Islands, and his curious need for a Swiss bank account may matter because of this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy

    I anxiously await the ‘Merican media to notice, but it’s only 20 trillion dollars.

    The sheer size of the cash pile sitting out of reach of tax authorities is so great that it suggests standard measures of inequality radically underestimate the true gap between rich and poor. According to Henry’s calculations, £6.3tn of assets is owned by only 92,000 people, or 0.001% of the world’s population – a tiny class of the mega-rich who have more in common with each other than those at the bottom of the income scale in their own societies.

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