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CAO/BoS: How to walk back that urgency ordinance

County CAO Phillip Smith-Hanes has reported back to the Board of Supervisors with proposed revisions to the county’s controversial-because-unconstitutional “urgency ordinance.”  According to Smith-Hanes’ document, which is termed a preliminary draft, the modifications would remove the curfew and allow attended signs and tables during daylight hours.  They would still be forbidden outside of daylight hours.

In addition, an initial violation of the modified ordinance would constitute an infraction rather than a misdemeanor; Smith-Hanes believes this would aid in enforcement of the modified ordinance.

Smith-Hanes’ report is available here:

http://co.humboldt.ca.us/publicinfo/docs/20120802_ordinance2477_draft.pdf

  1. 69er
    August 3, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Whatever it takes to maintain decency and civility at the ourthouse and any other public facility. It has been refreshing to not see the rubbish that existed before the original ordinance was passed. By rubbish I am referring to the people assembled there and their trash.

  2. August 3, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Mitch, thank you for posting the link. I have looked at it and encourage others to also.

    Eliminating the curfew and making it public eight days earlier than the absolute legal minimum are definitely. steps in the right direction.

    However I think that they may still be missing the step of meeting with and conferring in a meaningful way with concerned citizens regarding the question of what would be the best way to protect our Constitutional rights. The Human Rights Commission has said they are willing to work with the Board and had some issues they saw as important in order to avoid, or at least reduce, the need to involve law enforcement.

    Here are my questions:
    –Do they want to make laws only after conferring with attorneys and law enforcement personnel, without the input from those effected by the law?
    –Are they willing to listen to and discuss concerns people may have or will any concerns be seen as ingratitude for the unilateral step they they are proposing?

    It is my sincere hope that this not just an attempt to make moot a lawsuit; that they truly do wish to make a law that is as close as possible to the intent of the citizens and state lawmakers so many years ago when they objected to ratifying the new Constitution to replace the Article of Confederation until they received assurances that it would be amended to protect individual rights.

    …shall make no law … abridging free speech and peaceful assemble

    PS I didn’t put it in quotes because I don’t have it committed to memory, so please fact checkers help me out, OK?

  3. Mitch
    August 3, 2012 at 9:57 am

    69er,

    If you want to restore decency and civility at public facilities, that sounds to me like you’re calling for revolution. I had no idea you were a patriot!

  4. August 3, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Janelle Egger, many in the Occupy Movement and many others are still laboring under the misconception that the Oligarchic governments, from city, county, state and federal are going to listen to them as if they have some “Constitutional” rights to equality protected by law. Some of us have learned that lesson the hard way, so carry on Janelle. You’ll get the picture sooner or later.

  5. tra
    August 3, 2012 at 10:50 am

    “By rubbish I am referring to the people assembled there…”

    Anyone who refers to people as “rubbish” is revealing more about themselves than they are about the target of their derision.

  6. Jack Sherman
    August 3, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Clearly, Janelle “got the picture” when she used the word “ingratitude” above!

    To be victorious, you must know your enemy…a beast far worse today than the readily identifiable “oligarchies” of the past.

    Bureaucratic leadership, backed by public attorneys and settlements, is accustomed to winning.

    Quantitatively, most of their battles are in defense of subverting the employment rights of those perceived as opponents. Subverting laws has become an (indefensible) institutional art-form protected by huge public settlements that ensure confidentiality. Maintaining like-minded work environments bestows an irrational sense of ownership and frees humans to do what comes naturally…to conspire! This single reality explains why nothing changes while our species’ survival depends upon immediate and rapid change.

    Subverting the clear language of the U.S. Constitution has broader implications than the wrongful circumvention of employment rights. The county knows this and is anxious for the “no-fault” settlement they are accustom to purchasing with taxpayer’s money…most bureaucracies have only their repressed conscience as a guide.

    Their strength is also their weakness.

  7. Gil Yule
    August 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    “…tables or free-standing displays should not be on the grounds from sunset to sunrise.” is still a violation of my 1st Amendment Rights.

  8. August 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    If Janelle “gets the picture” why is she still trying to beat a dead horse? Pardon the cliche.

  9. August 3, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    By the way, it should be obvious by now that no one has any “1st Amendment Rights.” That’s only a figment of everyone’s imagination. Go join the Occupy Movement and try demonstrating your “1st Amendment Rights” and see what happens to you.

  10. August 3, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Joe

    Joe Blow :
    If Janelle “gets the picture” why is she still trying to beat a dead horse? Pardon the cliche.

    The Board went from 4-1 to 3-2 and a big chunk of the ordinance is up for repeal. Forgive me while I celebrate before getting back to work on protecting our rights.

  11. What Now
    August 3, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Keep up the good work, Ms Egger.
    Thank you!

  12. High Finance
    August 4, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Personally I hope the bums & their trash & uncivilized behavior comes back to the Courthouse soon.

    The backlash would assure a conservative sweep in November. I have never seen Eureka so united before with their revulsion of what happened there this past year. Liberals, Conservatives, Democrats & Republicans all wanted it cleaned up.

  13. August 4, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I was there many times a week sweeping, picking up trash, and exercising my right to free speech. That you chose to simply exercise your right to free speech is fine with me.

    Now, what about today?

  14. August 4, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Humboldt can do better than this ordinance, even better than what is on the table now. We just need to remember the goal #1:

    …shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    These words were born from dissent–

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. -The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    High Fi– I think this is something we both believe in.

  15. August 4, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Janelle arrogantly says: “Forgive me while I celebrate before getting back to work on protecting our rights.” Your so-called victory is a joke you can’t appreciate. You got no rights to protect. You just think you do. You are like the person that gets shot in the heart, but whose brain still thinks he/she is alive.

    When it comes to a lifetime of fighting and sacrificing for “one’s rights” you should know who you’re talking to before you start setting yourself up as some sort of hero. I’ll admit I was wrong, I doubt you’ll ever get the picture.

  16. Jack Sherman
    August 4, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    That really blows Joe.

    The fact that your kids aren’t working in textile mills….and that you can unionize, that you aren’t forced to work weekends for uncompensated overtime in a grossly unsafe environment, etc, etc, is a testimony to hard-fought rights.

    Thank you Janelle for doing the hard-work while others whine in denial.

    It is due to the rarity of Americans exercising our rights and responsibilities that our rights atrophy. How bizarre it is to read BS from the victims of subverted rights against anyone bothering to exercise them!

    Traitors!

    With 30 supporters in the courtroom everyone can see the discomfort on the faces of those charged with enforcing unjust laws.

    Priceless.

  17. August 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Dream on Sherman. You should know what your talking about BEFORE you start spouting worthless assumptions. There is a meaningful way to fight for rights, then there’s a blowing smoke efforts that really nothing in the long run. Glory seekers are just that – GLORIOUSLY SOUGHT AFTER.

  18. August 4, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    My apologies if I touched a nerve , Joe. But all I know is that I am talking to Joe Blow who tells me to go join the Occupy movement and see what happens. So I guess we both spoke out of ignorance.

    That was not arrogance speaking, that was fatigue. I would never set myself up as a hero. Those are the people that came before me so that there is something to protect. Waiting to celebrate a little change until everything changes? Shall I forgo bread until I have jam?

    But you are right about one thing. If we think the little change is all we should expect then that is all we will get.

  19. kateascot
    August 4, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Our creator gave us inalienable rights, and I will support any group that has within it’s constitution protection for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness because they are doing the will of God. Any group that opposes and stands in the way of protection for The US Constitution is an oppressor. It’s actually very simple, Freedom or bondage?

  20. Anonymous
    August 4, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    I feel sorry for Joe. He’s clearly bitter, disappointed in his life, and deeply cynical. Worse yet, he’s angry and resentful toward anyone who doesn’t share his misery. What a sad way to live out whatever remains of your life.

  21. August 5, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Now I’m bummed.

  22. HUUFC
    August 5, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I was unaware that the founding fathers drafted a document to allow dirty people, living off of the hard work of others, to sit and protest the system that provides for their well being, for 24/7.

  23. Mitch
    August 5, 2012 at 10:43 am

    Damn! I checked out the First Amendment, and it looks like HUUFC is right!

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech of clean workingmen, or of the press (if well-scrubbed and perfumed); or the right of the people, if clean and properly employed, peaceably to assemble for short periods of time, certainly not around the clock, and to petition the Government, in a meek, polite, civil and subservient way, for a redress of grievances. Under no circumstances, however, may the people trod upon the Court House lawn.”

  24. What Now
    August 5, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Hysterical, Mitch!
    Thanks for that.
    Sending off to some colleagues (credited to you, of course) for broader useage.

  25. August 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Well done, Mitch. I shared also.

    HUUFC must be unaware of the wonderful history of protest in front of the county courthouse. I will try to share some of it…
    [googleapps domain="docs" dir="presentation/embed" query="id=1UVjA39y_7Z6YhOoZj476w2z82FPQJ_UPLhwOpV8cDvU&start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000" width="960" height="749" /]

  26. August 5, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    D—, didn’t work, all that gibberish was to do magical, internet things. I guess I better go work on my spells.

  27. August 5, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Dream on folks, but then what does poor bitter Joe Blow know? By the way, Janelle, I didn’t tell you to go join the Occupy Movement. You’re the classic example of what happens to those who do and did. You try to play THEIR game, you lose. You and your kind, present ignorant company excluded, may get it figured out before it’s too late, but I seriously doubt it. What makes you think you touched a nerve? You’re actually no better than those your demonstrating against and in that you are a total failure. In other words, you’re your own worst enemy. Why would your hypocrisy make me angry? So dream on, the Constitution is about as worthless as Mitch’s little parody.

  28. Anonymous
    August 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    “…what does poor bitter Joe Blow know?”

    Not much, apparently.

  29. Mitch
    August 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I’ve made the mistake of asking Joe what the solution is, but was too stupid and unwilling to understand his answer. I think it has something to do with joining a religious cult but, as I said, I’m too dim to understand. I’m sure my belief is wrong, probably hysterically so, and I congratulate you in advance if you can get a clear answer as to why.

  30. August 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    That’s right MItch, you by your own admission you are stupid. I gave you the answer you wanted, but you can’t seem to separate the subject from the object. The fact that you can’t understand simple English is not my problem.

    What I do know is that I’m not going to express my First Amendment Rights and give the police and their masters a free invitation to bust my head like some morons I know.

    By the way, Mitch when you figure out the difference between what you believe and what you think, let me know. Maybe I’ll indulge you with something you can understand. Although from what you write on these blogs I’d say you already belong to a cult. I’d say the odds of you ever understanding anything beyond your own religious beliefs is mighty small. Just remember your brainwashed stupidity is your problem, not mine.

  31. tra
    August 5, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    “I’m not going to express my First Amendment Rights and give the police and their masters a free invitation to bust my head like some morons I know.”

    Yeah, what have “morons” like Ghandi or Rosa Parks ever accomplished, compared to Joe Blow. They only helped improve the lives of millions of people, whereas Joe Blow has….oh, wait, nevermind.

  32. Plain Jane
    August 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Joe isn’t using his own rights and denigrates those who do as morons. I would rather be a moron for defending rights than a coward who is afraid to.

  33. August 5, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    So Plain Jane, you agree better a Fool for justice than a Tool of injustice?

  34. Plain Jane
    August 5, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    100% Janelle.

  35. Walt
    August 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    “Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas.” [I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.]
    –Emiliano Zapata.

    He also said “I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.”

  36. August 5, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    May we never be faced with Zapata’s choices.

    I prefer the words of my mother, “Just remember you are as good as anyone… but no better.”

  37. Amy Breighton
    August 6, 2012 at 1:02 am

    Wow…great writing folks!

    Despite the historic increase in the number of college graduates per-capita, painfully few have any sense of history.

    I wonder how many “hopeless” rural demonstrations by those “psychotic, dirty, unladylike” Suffragettes were mercilessly criticized and condemned by Blowhards like “Joe” during the 80 years of protests before women won the right to vote?

    Ignorant fools!

  38. Anonymous
    August 6, 2012 at 1:12 am

    Joe Blow
    August 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm | #17
    Quote

    “Dream on Sherman. You should know what your talking about BEFORE you start spouting worthless assumptions. There is a meaningful way to fight for rights, then there’s a blowing smoke efforts that really nothing in the long run. Glory seekers are just that – GLORIOUSLY SOUGHT AFTER.”

    Amy nailed it….she can add illiterate to “ignorant” and “fool”.

    It appears that “Joe Blow” suffers the same affliction as “High Finance” who must also sound-out words being read. No one “talks” or “spouts” on blogs!

    You’re all “debating” teenagers!

  39. FUUHC
    August 6, 2012 at 7:37 am

    America, fuk ya!

  40. tra
    August 6, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Experts agree with Joe: Nothing can be done…

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/06/1116358/-Nothing-can-be-done

  41. August 7, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Looks like I touched a nerve. When the Syrian catastrophe touches Humboldt Bay in real terms, you can remember your fight for rights and justice for all it is or was worth. You know what they say about people that keep making the same mistake over and over again in hope that it will eventually work?

  42. Anonymous
    August 7, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “Touched a nerve”? More like “completely-out-of-touch”!

    Today’s Middle East revolutions were born out of decades of protest that blowhards claimed were “worthless mistakes”.

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