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Linda Atkins vs. the Marina Center

Election season in Eureka is resurrecting the corpse of Rob Arkley’s Marina Center — the proposed big box mall-on-Humboldt-Bay that will breathe new life into Old Town with tourists and newcomers whose minds will blow and wallets unfold at the sight of a Home Depot beside a massive asphalt parking lot. Just wait.

Deeper depths of innovation heretofore unplunged, folks.

The last liberal hold-out on the Eureka City Council, Linda Atkins, is being challenged by a Republican — one who hasn’t even switched parties because such levels of deceit are no longer necessary in Eureka.

Atkins will face Joe Bonino, who says the Marina Center mall will be a boon to Old Town.

Eureka Mayor Frank Jager is ready to lead the flock with nary a dissenting voice. Bonino “would be a better fit for the way the council is constituted now,” he said about the 4-1 ratio of Arkley back-rubbers to the un-kool-aided.

New Humboldt County Supervisor Rex Bohn is happy a “good” person is running. Only bad people raise the ire of Arkley — as Atkins did the first time she ran. Longtime readers will remember that she didn’t know the identity of the raving lunatic yelling at her on the sidewalk. But four years later that fire still burns the gentleman’s rich (yet tender) hide.

Arkley surely finds comfort in the fact that his long campaign of bullshit surrounding the Marina Center has nearly won him a 5-0 majority on the Eureka City Council, and a majority of the Humboldt Board of Supervisors.

Two years ago Arkley paid $30,000 to put a fake-o measure on the ballot promising Marina Center Now!, which achieved nothing but the election of the dimly-lit “Brady Bunch.”

Ever playing the victim, Arkley has long-blamed liberal meanies on the Coastal Commission for blocking his genius plan, but in reality his own stonewalling caused the delays of which he complains.

It’s been quiet on the Marina Center front of late, but the political game of chess plays on, and the pawns are in their places. If there is need of a check-mate at city hall, Arkley already has it. But that one-party system envisioned by Karl Rove is not yet complete in Eureka. And what better way to bring the Home Depot mall back into public discussion than with a GOPer who is already cozy with the local Good Old Boy power network.

Election Day is November 6th.

  1. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Is the same Atkins who said she was wasting her time?

  2. August 26, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Why would home Depot come to Eureka? What is happening here to support the monthly to yearly business it needs?

  3. Welcome back Josh
    August 26, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Welcome back Josh. We’ve missed you.

    How’s the weather in SoCal?

  4. August 26, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I know I wish there was a Home Depot here, as I can not stand the owner, nor the manager of the Ace in Arcata.

  5. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 8:21 am

    BTW, it was not just the Home Depot there. The children’s science museum was supposed to move there, and a whole range of possible businesses.

  6. just middle class
    August 26, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Here we go again, the usual “Arkley is behind everything” stuff again. So far Heraldo has raised the “Arkley is behind everything” in every election to date. It seems that it is time for Heraldo to acturlly get to know what is going on. The days of “lets stop everything” are gone and the public is tired of it and are looking for leadership that plans to lead rather than obstruct.

  7. August 26, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Whoa, so Arkley is NOT behind the Marina Center? How could we have been steered so wrong?

  8. Pitchfork
    August 26, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Heraldo raises “Arkley is behind everything” (BAD) because it’s essentially true. He became much more of a behind the scenes player after assaulting a council person. His handlers kept him out of public view for a full year while the statue of limitations ran out on civil action(which they were very worried about) during that time he learned how be more invisible. Arkley establish a whole network of minions to do his bidding and launder his money. Note that the brady bunch received no reported money from Rob, Cherie or the two daughters. hmmm! with well place surrogates like Mathew Owen, Rob Mcbeth, Frank Jager, Virginia Bass and David Tyson to mention a few, he doesn’t have show up on stage, just stay behind the curtain.
    So THANK YOU Heraldo for pulling back that curtain every so often to give us a peek at the wizard.

  9. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Your 1st mistake is to think Arkley is behind Joe because of the Marina Center. Silly, he does not need candidates. It is just a matter of getting it through all the red tape.

  10. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 9:02 am

    So Bonino was right, this election is about a new strip mall? Not about his stand against gay marriage or his determination to “starve the beast” and strip funding from local government?

  11. August 26, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Be sure and vote for the next Board of Directors of HUMBOLDT INC. Only the NAMES change, get over it! Baaaaaaaaa. Republican, democrat, shemocrat – really – you STILL beLIEve there’s a difference? There’s just corporations running the plantation, nothing more. If we can’t self-govern, then why are we here? Could you all still breathe and blink if the fiction persons weren’t telling you how? What if they gave a war, and nobody went? What if they put on (at taxpayer’s expense) the usual fake vote show, and nobody voted? It ain’t workin’, lets keep doing it ?- slave mentality. America has always been called the New World – the New World Order, and you’re helping them achieve it!!!!! Stop bending over and bowing down . . . more than your knees will be sore!
    The public wouldn’t recognize a leader if they saw one, they’re all comfortably numb with dictating rulers. So, get out that corporate badge of slavery – (cattle) driver’s license – so the corpse oraton can I dent a fiction when you vote yourselves into the hole you’re digging.
    Help Me Rhonda!

  12. Just Watchin
    August 26, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Sounds like Forest Queen is hittin the doobie inbetween keystrokes.

  13. August 26, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Just another reason to support Linda. She is her own woman.

  14. August 26, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary. -George Orwell.

    You can’t correct what you’re unwilling to confront. What you permit will always continue. Behavior permitted is behavior perpetuated. – Mike Murdock

  15. Goldie
    August 26, 2012 at 10:10 am

    The question is this: Would you like to live in a area driven by the desires of the bottom line of one man and his small ban of co-hearts or would you prefer to live in an area where the concerns of all the citizens are looked after. I can not imagine Home Depot wanting to come here. Why would they? I can imagine Marina Center being used again as a distraction and to foster the false promise of jobs and progress. It’s all weeds, aging signs, smoke and mirrors
    In the meanwhile Joe Bonino walked his talk with Yes on Eight, supports the Arkley pac, and offers the standard Republican song of terror that taxes are the problem as they harm the rich. Even Joe’s Facebook page is paid for.
    There is going to be a lot of money walking the Bonino ( read Arkley agenda) talk this campaign season.
    Before it becomes time to vote in the polls you might want to vote with your actions and donations to Linda’s campaign. Our future will be created by the citizens.

  16. Outting Joe
    August 26, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Amen, Goldie.

  17. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 10:25 am

    “would you prefer to live in an area where the concerns of all the citizens are looked after” What does that mean? Like on an indian reservation? How’s that working out?
    Taxes are not the problem, if I pay $5 in taxes the politicans will spend $7. If I pay $8 they will spend $11. The defcit spending and exploding debt are the problem, don’t give them any more money to squander.A job, pride in work, a challenge to do better, that’s what we meed.

  18. C'mon Sun
    August 26, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Anonymous :
    “would you prefer to live in an area where the concerns of all the citizens are looked after” What does that mean? Like on an indian reservation? How’s that working out?
    Taxes are not the problem, if I pay $5 in taxes the politicans will spend $7. If I pay $8 they will spend $11. The defcit spending and exploding debt are the problem, don’t give them any more money to squander.A job, pride in work, a challenge to do better, that’s what we meed.

    Gosh, #17, What reservations indians do you know who are looked after? And by whom? Been out to the rez lately? A lot of them even work! Your generalizations about taxing and spending are about as well-informed. Pax.

  19. What Now
    August 26, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Excellent post, Heraldo.
    Well written and entertaining as well as hitting a dead on bull’s eye.
    Thanks.

  20. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Linda is just angry. Angry she lost her buddy Chief Garr and Larry Glass.

    Spending money in the county would not be a bad thing !

  21. C'mon Sun
    August 26, 2012 at 10:41 am

    “Linda is just angry”? Angry? Wow, you guys are getting good at using opposite terms to twist your adversary’s imagry. Linda is forward-looking, positive and energetic. Angry! You piss me off.

  22. Goldie
    August 26, 2012 at 10:41 am

    What I mean by ‘the concerns of all the citizens’ is sewer system, school system, well trained and supplied police, safe road ways, proper stewardship of the environment, stuff like that.

  23. High Finance
    August 26, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Are the lefties so paranoid that they really believe Arkley is behind everything or are they just raising a bogeyman because they know Linda Atkins is unpopular ?

  24. August 26, 2012 at 10:43 am

    As I wrote elsewhere, probably the worst thing Atkins has going against her in the way I look at her is her supporters.

  25. C'mon Sun
    August 26, 2012 at 10:45 am

    High Finance :
    Are the lefties so paranoid that they really believe Arkley is behind everything or are they just raising a bogeyman because they know Linda Atkins is unpopular ?

    Joe Bonino is the one making Marina Center the big deal in his campaign, not Linda. Uh, you know that though, don’t you?

  26. Richard
    August 26, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Joe Bonino is challenging incumbent Eureka Council Member Linda Atkins for Eureka’s 2nd Ward seat. Mr. Bonino says the city government could be doing a better job. Funny then that he’s running against Ms. Atkins, as she is the one dissenting vote in the frequent 4 to 1 votes of the current council. Whatever Joe things Eureka could be doing better is not going to change by removing the one dissenting vote. Rather the blame should be directed at the four “pro development”, Marina Center
    boosters, with whom Bonino, having just served five years on the Republican Central Committee, will likely be in lock step as this council continues to drive Eureka down
    their pot holed, crime ridden streets of boarded up storefronts.

    I read in yesterday’s paper that crime in Eureka is up over last year. City Manager David Tyson fired (with out cause) the highly respected Chief of Police Garr
    Nielsen, who was widely applauded by most citizens, but resented by the old guard inside the department he was hired to reform. Tyson took this action with the 4 to 1 support of his council members, save that pesky Linda Atkins, who questioned the wisdom of undoing the thoughtful and well researched decision of the previous council to have brought in a reformer Chief of Police (from outside the area) in order to tackle the very real and difficult challenge of reforming a department while keeping 95% of its existing personnel. And just as citizens throughout Eureka were starting to see real results, Tyson and the new council fires Chief Nielsen with out cause. In case you’ve forgotten how dire was the need for reform with in the department, the former Chief of Police David Douglas (well liked by his subordinates), survived a wrongful death prosecution after orchestrating the assassination of Cheri Lynn Moore, a mentally ill woman in need of social services and maybe the patience of waiting a few hours but instead received nine bullets in the back, from high powered rifles and shotguns of the Eureka SWAT team.

    Now, over a year after City Manager David Tyson, who, by the way is leaving his post later year with out having replaced the perfectly competent Chief of Police he fired over his personal and petty grudge, has decided to just give the title of Chief to the (perfectly amiable, but…) 78 years old Murl Harpam.

    Mayor Frank Jager is quoted saying he thinks city council candidate Joe Bonino “would be a better fit for the way the council is constituted now”. By that I can only assume Jager means no more pesky dissenting voices, but rather a council that will simply bless the agenda he intends to carry out with neat and tidy unanimous votes.

    “They” said they were going to “take back the city”, and they have. They’ve also “taken over” the county (Board of Sups). I don’t know exactly how much damage they’ll do over the next four to eight years, but 20 years from now the affects will be inescapable. It’s a damn shame but might be less offensive had we not watched this scenario of putting developers and land speculators in charge of planning and zoning laws play out over the last 40 to 60 years through out the state, with quaint town after quaint town each built beyond the capacity of their infrastructure.

  27. C'mon Sun
    August 26, 2012 at 10:52 am

    “Orchestrating” an “assassination” is a bit strong, maybe a bit over the top if you are trying to offer support to Linda. She no doubt understands unforgiveable incompetence with tragic consequences. Otherwise, I agree with you Richard.

  28. What Now
    August 26, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Highly entertaining to see reich wingers talking a line about resposnible and responsive government while vomiting forth a candidate that’s involved in the financial apparatus of the most corrupt, unresponsive, and poorly managed institution in the community.

  29. C'mon Sun
    August 26, 2012 at 10:56 am

    HiFi and Fred – you talk like an old married couple.

  30. Just Middle Finance
    August 26, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Bootstraps! Bonino & Bohn will help Rob kick those whining Libtards to the curb. What is lost on Heraldo and Co is everything Rob does is legal. When Rob bought a 70+ year old community bank, Statewide Bank in Covington, Louisiana, and had a few miscalculations, the FDIC (taxpayers) stepped in to buy him out. All of this is legal. There are risks associated with being in business, but thanks to hundreds of completely legal LLCs and financial backing of the American government and some strategic bankruptcies to help shed some debt, Rob and the American dream are alive and well. Bonino and Bohn will help protect this American Dream.

  31. August 26, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Richard :
    Tyson fired (with out cause) the highly respected Chief of Police Garr
    Nielsen,… Tyson took this action with the 4 to 1 support of his council members, save that pesky Linda Atkins

    That could be Atkins undoing.

    I’ve been told at least a couple of times- nothing specific- that there was more than enough reason to fire Nielsen. If Bonino or some other party wants to go that route, and they can figure out how to spill the specifics of the firing without getting someone in trouble, that could make Atkins look real bad. That assumes the actual reasons for firing are something that most Eureka voters would have agreed with.

    If it comes out that Nielsen should have been fired, with Atkins knowing the reasons but opposing the firing, she’s toast.

    The race is more complicated than that, though, as I understand there might well be a write- in candidate filing papers for the seat pretty soon. Might he take more votes from Atkins, Bonino, or both?

  32. What Now
    August 26, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Fred Mangels:
    “I’ve been told at least a couple of times- nothing specific…”
    Rumor mongering and hearsay.

  33. Just Middle Finance
    August 26, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Hi Fi and I been saying at least a couple of times – nothing specific …

  34. just middle class
    August 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Heraldo, I was not talking about the Marina Center, I was talking about Joe running for City Council. When it is not the Prog candidate, you immediately claim it is Arkly’s candidate. Not true, but the past history shows that every candidate you claimed was an “Arkley” candiate, won. So, please keep it up and ignore my comments.

  35. Independent Thinker
    August 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    More hardcore partisan politics from both sides keeping Humboldt County retarded.Arkley has to be a politcal zealot instead of a business man.Auto shutdown from the other side.The rail corridor sits and rots away.The pulp mill site sits and rots away.The Balloon Tract sits and leaks toxins in the bay.

  36. Larry Glass
    August 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Fred you are despicable! Garr was fired because Dave Tyson hates him. Simple as that. So your Fox news innuendo shit doesn’t fly. Tyson wanted to fire him when I was on the council he just didn’t have the votes.

  37. August 26, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Larry Glass :
    Fred you are despicable! Garr was fired because Dave Tyson hates him. Simple as that.

    If you look back at my comments at the time, that’s what I felt, although I didn’t use such strong words. I believe I said there must be some seriously bad blood between the two.

    You better hope that’s all it is. If it was for something more substantial and that gets out somehow, Atkins will not look good.

  38. What Now
    August 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Fred is furiously back pedaling in the hopes he won’t look like the complete fucking idiot he is….

  39. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    And how would you know Larry?

  40. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Larry you are despicable! YOU were fired because the voters realized your tacky hatred of David Tyson was hurting the City.

  41. Not A Native
    August 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    After enduring the recent spewings of Mitch pablum and Kirk self-service, I’m happy to read this edgier post by H. Reality isn’t about sniveling over “The Unfairness Of It All” and wistful never-was nostalgia over “Lefties of The Good ‘Ole Days”.

    The primary obstructions to local prosperity are the self proclaimed dukes and lords who keep the public ignorant, wallowing in lotusland, giving up their common interests for a mess of pottage, trickle down insecure job, and a few acres of cutover land. Anyone who wonders how small minorities in all those “backward” nations maintain absolute control over large majorities needs only to look more closely at their own backyard, HumCo.

  42. August 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    What Now :
    Fred is furiously back pedaling in the hopes he won’t look like the complete fucking idiot he is….

    Not at all. Maybe even Heraldo will remember some of my comments at the time, although I’m not sure which ones I made here and which ones on my blog.

    I also expressed displeasure with the way he was fired. I tried to stay neutral on the firing itself but felt they didn’t need to go in and chase him out of his office then and there. They should have just told him to have his stuff cleared out by Monday- the firing happening on a Friday if memory serves me.

    Seemed to me that would have been fair enough and not been so humiliating. I was told “that’s just not the way these things are done”.

  43. Reads a Lot
    August 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I tried to bring the firing of Garr Nielsen before the Grand Jury of Humboldt. They refused
    to acknowledge the complaint. I filed a complaint about the mandatory age of retirement
    of those working in safety. They refused to acknowledge the complaint. I filed a complaint
    about a city official and sexual harassment. They said they couldn’t hear it, It is a misdemeanor. I refiled stating noncompliance with job description, and vindictive treatment
    toward employees, plus the cost and waste of taxpayer’s money. They refused to
    acknowledge the complaint. I filed a complaint about the Brown Act especially after the
    firing of Garr Nielsen. They refused to acknowledge the complaint. They only called
    one witness that I requested to be called.

    I was technically correct on all the complaints I filed. I wanted the truth to come out.
    What a fucking waste of time. I could count the good old boys in the jury room.

    I gave Thad a copy of all the complaints before I filed with the Grand Jury. If the Times
    Standard will allow me and if I haven’t broken any Grand Jury laws, which I am sure I haven’t,
    I intend to make public everything I can. Went on up the political ladder each entity said
    the Grand Jury has the final say. Bottom line is if you keep this low caliber group of
    people in office, save Linda, and you continue allow this low caliber of person to control
    Eureka. Shame on you.

  44. August 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    A post of mine on the firing from June 2011:
    http://humboldtlib.blogspot.com/search?q=Nielsen+Fired

  45. August 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    BTW; The comments to my post above are a dreamy trip down memory lane themselves.

  46. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    “I was technically correct on all the complaints I filed”

    Ummmmmm, no you were not. You were wrong, dead wrong on all of them.

  47. Mitch
    August 26, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Reads a Lot,

    I once read a bunch of documents related to a complaint to the Fair Political Practices Commission. The Commissioners had jumped through hoops to claim there was no way to prove an obvious crime — their own documents had to use extremely tortured logic to avoid acknowledging the evident, and one part of a document had to ignore the information presented elsewhere in the document.

    It’s the way things are.

  48. August 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Reads a Lot,
    Amen!
    Problem is, California hasn’t had a true Grand Jury since 1956 – and they know it! We’re under Martial Law – that’s what the gold fringed flag tells you. We have to bring our de jure courts out of abeyance. There is a silver bullet, it is you, me, us, the people. If you cannot see the game, then you’re not even looking for the rules. We are dealing with criminals and thieves, or they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing – save Linda.

    “Whenever a man cast a longing eye on offices, a rotteness begins in his conduct.”

    “Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, then to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they have become accustomed.”

    “Leave no authority in place that does not represent the will of the people.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  49. Joel Mielke
    August 26, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Somehow, I don’t think that people declaring that “we’re under martial law” are going to be helpful to Ms. Atkins. And obviously, High “Linda Atkins is unpopular” Finance hasn’t spoken with many of her constituents. She’s intelligent, articulate, listens to constituent’s concerns, and, as an added bonus, she’s willing to question the wisdom of our City Manager, Dave Tyson.

  50. Anonymous
    August 26, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Indeed!

    Compare Larry Glass’ remarkable public event and documentary video, “Consider The Alternatives” to Joe Bonino’s mantra:”I’m not a politician…Marina Center Good”! Glass, and anyone, who dares to oppose the Good Ol’ Boys has to devise a very big, very expensive spot-light to shine on local corruption…local media is not interested.

    Further compare opposing candidate’s resumes and notice the striking differences between Atkins and Bonino, Seidner and Bohn, Neeley and Bass, Kuhnel and Newman….Progressive democrats confront higher-standard requirements that have plagued women, minorities, the aged, gays, liberals, etc, in their workplaces….forever.

    Opposing a thoroughly corrupt system compels individuals to spin their wheels accumulating numerous board appointments, civic activism, academic and professional achievements, and astounding sums of money, that, remarkably, are rarely sufficient against the long line of dunderheads who waltz into office as a Right-Of-Passage by the local development community who outspends every candidate that dares to oppose them. It works 99% of the time everywhere…Meg Whitman certainly knew it! Her tens of millions were a wise investment that rarely loses.

    Thanks to the corrupting influence of the deepest pockets, politics is now a mere extension of the workplace by, what George Carlin called, our “corporate owners”….the excuse that Carlin, and one-half of this nation’s eligible voters use to avoid the polls.

  51. jr
    August 26, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Anonymous at 7:04 pm – So how to solve this problem?

  52. Goldie
    August 26, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    An educated involved public.

  53. August 26, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    Judging by the way things have gone in your county these years, campaigning on the promise of the Marina Center is obviously pointless. It’ll never be built. Too much division going on to make it go forward. I don’t obviously see how it will ever go forward.

  54. 713
    August 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Neely Out spent bass. Cleary out spent sundberg. Gallegos out spent Jackson. It is pretty random. How much did lovelace and fennel spend vs. Brooks and clendenen?

  55. What Now
    August 26, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    “that’s what the gold fringed flag tells you”
    bullshit.
    that urban legend began with the john birchers in the 50’s and has morphed into the hysteria of infowars and david ickes.

  56. August 26, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    @WhatNow
    “The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in summary court martial proceedings against civilians, and such courts are governed in part by local rules, but more especially by the Manual of Courts Martial, U.S., 1994 Ed., at Article 99, (c) (1) (b), pg. IV-34” U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C.

    WAKE UP! or roll on over and go back to sleep.

  57. Thirdeye
    August 26, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Atkins/Bonino is one to sit out. Maybe there will be a decent write-in candidate.

    Pretty ballsy of Larry Glass to weigh in on the Nielsen firing. Nielsen’s willingness to let Glass go over Tyson’s head on EPD matters, in contravention of the City Charter, didn’t help Nielsen’s relationship with Tyson.

    Heraldo – I can disagree respectfully with what Mitch and Eric post, and acknowledge their more intelligent points. I wish I could say the same for what you post. Your rants are stupid and insubstantial.

  58. August 26, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Reads a Lot :
    I tried to bring the firing of Garr Nielsen before the Grand Jury of Humboldt. They refused to acknowledge the complaint…
    …I was technically correct on all the complaints I filed. I wanted the truth to come out.
    What a fucking waste of time. I could count the good old boys in the jury room.
    I gave Thad a copy of all the complaints before I filed with the Grand Jury. If the Times
    Standard will allow me and if I haven’t broken any Grand Jury laws, which I am sure I haven’t,
    I intend to make public everything…

    The Times-Standard isn’t the only press outlet in Humboldt County. If you have something substantial to bring forward that could use some further reporting, feel free to send it to the Sentinel.

    As to the rest of this discussion…it’s the offices that AREN’T being contested that confounds me.

  59. Amy Breighton
    August 27, 2012 at 12:17 am

    It’s the stories that are being broadly censored locally and nationally that have kept voters away from the polls and elected offices.

    You know…”an informed populace”…”democracy”….and all that…

    The bulk of local journalism can be accurately summed-up as the daily crime/sports journals.

    “The Daily Irrelevance” would be an accurate title.

  60. What Now
    August 27, 2012 at 12:54 am

    The Sentinel is nothing more than a wanna’ be COPS fan club than anything else.
    Tireless self-promotor that “just happens to be there for all the police activities..”
    Smacks of being embeded and “in bed” with local law enforcement.

  61. What Now
    August 27, 2012 at 1:06 am

    Paranoia strikes you deep, Third Eye. Your lack of critical reasoning skills also leaves you in a vacant lot of intellectualism.
    Keep looking for those black helicopters and blue U.N. helmets.
    Or is it Agenda 21 that has you wetting yourself?

    For many years rumors have been spread through the United States concerning the origin and meaning of the gold fringe which frequently decorates the Stars and Stripes. It has been claimed that such fringe is without proper authorization; that it is symbolic of the end of the gold standard as the basis for United States currency; or that it indicates the substitution of admiralty courts and martial law for common law courts and procedures, as part of a conspiracy supposedly instigated by Communists, Jews, Masons, liberals, feminists, homosexuals, or other “un-American” groups.

    The Flag Research Center has not conducted a thorough investigation of all the claims being made about fringe, many of which are spread by radio talk programs, cassette tapes, lectures and other non-written forms. Nevertheless its unique resources allow the Center to state the following with certainty:

    Available evidence seems to suggest that the claims made about fringe on the United States flag are intended to promote the political ends — including elimination of income taxes, re-establishment of the gold standard, and denial of legal rights to women, non-Christians, and non-Caucasians — of those who spread those rumors.
    From the standpoint of history and law, fringe on a flag has no symbolism. While each individual is free to interpret the meaning of fringe, it has no inherent or established universal symbolism.
    While fringe is frequently used on military flags and in formal settings (parades, public meetings, offices of government officials, courts, inaugurations, dedication ceremonies, etc.), it is also widely used in the private sector. Examples of private usage of fringe on flags in the United States extend back for 200 years.
    Fringe is and always has been a purely decorative addition — an optional enhancement of the beauty of a flag, added on a discretionary basis when the flag is purchased. In the private sector and for non-military government uses, use of fringe is like the choice of polyester or nylon over cotton or wool for the flag itself — simply a matter of enhancing the appearance of the flag.
    Title Four of the “United States Code” which defines the Stars and Stripes neither prescribes nor proscribes the use of cords and tassels, heading, sleeve, fringe, and other accessories to the flag. It is universally recognized that the symbolic aspect of the flag is inherent in its colors and symbols, not in the physical characteristics of the flag or the things (like fringe) added to it when it is displayed.
    Admiralty courts deal only with maritime contracts, collisions at sea, and similar naval questions, not with normal civil and criminal cases. There is no symbol in the United States which indicates an admiralty court. While international treaties require that ships display the national flag, maritime flags never have fringe.
    Martial law is not mentioned in the United States constitution nor has martial law ever been proclaimed in the United States. The use or non-use of fringe on a United States flag in a court has nothing to do with the jurisdiction of the court or with martial law.

  62. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 1:24 am

    “So how to solve this problem?” Anonymous at 7:04 pm –

    “Goldie” is correct: “An informed public”… aka…repeating the uncomfortable truths.

    Today’s “journalists” have been coerced into mere aiders and abetters of the corporatocracy, they are commonly disallowed or self-censored in revealing and challenging the smallest ironies of their corporate benefactors who buy ads.

    It reminds me of the once venerable profession of physician. Currently, two-thirds no longer own their own practice and are commonly coerced from revealing relevant remedies. Lawyers too are increasingly employees of the Bigs.

    Sadly, the blogging medium puts journalism to shame and is rapidly becoming a rare source of exposing the uncomfortable truths of local corporate/gov. collusion and the tyranny in its wake.

    Historically, once an empire’s fortunes wane, the rulers allow the predation of their own citizens, thus marking the collapse of almost every major empire…it’s as predictable as cannibalism amid the perception of scarcity.

    Walmart better keep those prices low, there’s 11 million more imminent foreclosures forecast! One-half of all home loans in San Bernardino County are at risk, plus trillions in outstanding credit card debt, that, if not for the U.S. Bankruptcy Act of 2005, would been defaulted by now….they merely increase the interest rate to 35%, exempted credit cards from bankruptcy, and call it good!

    Finance is now the largest industry in the U.S., at least until our home equity, our credit, and the U.S. Treasury dry-up.

  63. TexaCali
    August 27, 2012 at 5:51 am

    Does the Home Depot create more demand for building supplies or does it merely take business from our existing local stores?

  64. Ponder z
    August 27, 2012 at 7:02 am

    The difference between Adkins supporters and Bonino supporters?
    Adkins supporters sign their checks on the back.
    Bonino supporter sing their checks on the FRONT!

    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

  65. The ghost of Joe Hill
    August 27, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Linda notwithstanding, if you’re anywhere to the left of Newt Gingrich, it’s time to forget about politics.

    From corporate bailouts to wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria and Yemen (and Iran is next), secret presidential kill lists (based on what evidence?) to the war on Assange, all that hope for change is fading fast. Locally it’s not looking so hot either. More and more it seems the “educated and involved public” is a pipe dream. Educated by Fox News and Madison Avenue? Involved in re-electing Geithner and Hillary and Mr. Drone? Even here, politics is a dead end.

    On the other hand, REAL change is being brought about by people like Nicholas Negroponte and Brewster Kahle, Heidi Benzonelli and Betty Chin. THAT’S what y’all should be focussing on.

  66. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 7:18 am

    The government we have now is the result of low turnouts. Voting is free. It was paid for by people before you who died for your rights, or at least thought they might. So VOTE, even if it does appear money is winning right now. If the people to the “left of Newt Gingrich” all voted, we wouldn’t be in (the same) mess now.

  67. labteh
    August 27, 2012 at 8:26 am

    In other words, we’re supposed to join you in fighting to preserve the needle park setup we have now, a chain link fence around a pile of rubble.

  68. Larry Glass - You're Fired!
    August 27, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Larry Glass you are despicable!

    Garr was fired because he had an affair with a married EPD subordinate (Tawnie Hansen) and then lied about it while under oath.

    No, wait, it was Larry who was fired for lying. Remember the Rotary debate you did where you told the packed audience that you were all in favor of the Marina Center. I heard you could of heard a pin drop after that statement.

    Garr lied on his subsequent job applications and once again was caught.

    No, wait, it was Larry Glass who lied to the election office where he lived (The Works address) and was subsequently caught.

    Larry also lied to the press whenever talking about Tyson and Tawnie. Which was hilarious (to use George Clark’s common term) as the married male employees with the City of Eureka were fearful of traveling on city business with Tawnie Hansen as she got out of control and threw herself on at least three male Eureka city employees who had to fight her off.

    Garr used city vehicle and gas to drive five hours away to see Tawnie Hansen, claiming he didn’t know he couldn’t use his EPD vehicle to drive wherever he wanted for personal reasons, not business. Besides, there is only one reason a man drives five hours to see a woman, especially one who is not his wife.

    No. wait, it was Larry Glass who did not get the proper Conditional Use Permit when he changed business locations, claiming he didn’t know the law.

    Garr was fired because circumvented policies and procedures in place.

    No, wait that was Larry Glass who tried to run the City of Eureka without going through the City Manager.

    Garr was fired because he spent all Eureka City Council meetings in the back of the room texting to Larry Glass.

    No, wait, that was Larry Glass who spent all Eureka City Council meetings texting to Garr and ignoring his constituents speaking.

    Garr was a bad man who got what he deserved.

    Larry Glass was a bad man who got what he deserved.

  69. Rictus
    August 27, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Still shoving and shouting at Larry, Mr. Arkley?

  70. Senior
    August 27, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Hey, Rob, where is the Marina Center? It’s been, what, 8 years now?

    What’s the hangup?

  71. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

    LG lost, Arkley doesn’t have to bother with LG anymore.

  72. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Anonymous :
    LG lost, Arkley doesn’t have to bother with LG anymore.

    Good luck with that dream.

  73. Plain Jane
    August 27, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Wasn’t Virginia Bass’ sworn testimony that it was Tyson who was behaving inappropriately with Ms. Hansen on a taxpayer funded out of state event?

  74. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Larry Glass – You’re Fired! :
    Larry Glass you are despicable!
    Garr was fired because he had an affair with a married EPD subordinate (Tawnie Hansen) and then lied about it while under oath.
    No, wait, it was Larry who was fired for lying. Remember the Rotary debate you did where you told the packed audience that you were all in favor of the Marina Center. I heard you could of heard a pin drop after that statement.
    Garr lied on his subsequent job applications and once again was caught.
    No, wait, it was Larry Glass who lied to the election office where he lived (The Works address) and was subsequently caught.
    Larry also lied to the press whenever talking about Tyson and Tawnie. Which was hilarious (to use George Clark’s common term) as the married male employees with the City of Eureka were fearful of traveling on city business with Tawnie Hansen as she got out of control and threw herself on at least three male Eureka city employees who had to fight her off.
    Garr used city vehicle and gas to drive five hours away to see Tawnie Hansen, claiming he didn’t know he couldn’t use his EPD vehicle to drive wherever he wanted for personal reasons, not business. Besides, there is only one reason a man drives five hours to see a woman, especially one who is not his wife.
    No. wait, it was Larry Glass who did not get the proper Conditional Use Permit when he changed business locations, claiming he didn’t know the law.
    Garr was fired because circumvented policies and procedures in place.
    No, wait that was Larry Glass who tried to run the City of Eureka without going through the City Manager.
    Garr was fired because he spent all Eureka City Council meetings in the back of the room texting to Larry Glass.
    No, wait, that was Larry Glass who spent all Eureka City Council meetings texting to Garr and ignoring his constituents speaking.
    Garr was a bad man who got what he deserved.
    Larry Glass was a bad man who got what he deserved.

    This is slander. This may not be Rob, but one of his employees wiriting this comment. Sounds just like one of her former letters-to-the-editor. Shame on you! The city had to pay Tawnie a big settlement. Stop the attacks on a decent member of our community.

  75. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:56 am

    #68. I have known LG for forty years. He is salt-of-the-earth good people. GFY.

  76. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Long time bicycle/public transportation user VS Atkins.

  77. Thirdeye
    August 27, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    That’s strange, What Now. I didn’t post anything about black helicopters, UN Agenda 21, or gold fringed flags.

  78. Chain Of Fools
    August 27, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Every Reich-winger in Eureka should be thanking Larry Glass, George Clark, and the few others, who have provided them the ONLY distraction they have from their only real threat:

    Arcata! And America’s other successful cities that repeatedly prove how capital investments and higher-wage jobs are attracted to communities that focus on affordable housing in mixed use, mixed income neighborhoods that are livable, walkable and safe.

    Bonino and the Reich-Wing’s chest-pounding against Linda Atkins betrays the desperate illusion that their corrupt political control over little Eureka was EVER truly under threat, or ever lost.

    Ever.

    The desperation is in delaying the inevitable day of a media epiphany.

    Eventually, everyone will realize that “liberals” had nothing to do with saturating Eureka in poverty wage jobs, the houses this new class of worker will never afford, and the record-high drug abuse, crime, illness, homelessness and lost productivity that accompanies skyrocketing poverty……Eureka’s overburdened roads and sewers, its state-wide, high rates of crime, pedestrian fatalities, major diseases, suicide, and the uninsured, is complimented by the deluge of vacant lots and shuttered storefronts.

    America’s “Arcatas” are where all those things Eureka’s Good Ol’ Boys insisted for a generation were impossible…are not.

    The shame that they own is now focused against Atkins. Corruption requires an absolute majority to thrive.
    .

    Making Linda Atkins

  79. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Funny thing, progressives supported the massive development of the outskirts of Eureka, burdening Eureka, with car centric development.

    Marina Center is a mixed use infill development. IE housing and businesses mixed. Yet progressives continuously fight against it.

  80. Reads a Lot
    August 27, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Charles: The reason I gave everything I had to Thad was in case the Grand Jury did have
    an opinion on the complaints that I made and to give him the background as to why I made
    them. The complaints about the Brown Act were put before the Grand Jury,
    because that is the only way unless in a court room, can a city council member testify
    without breaking the law regarding disclosures on subjects in closed sessions.
    We would have shown that David Tyson was polling council members on subjects
    that were requiring a vote by council. These subjects should have been read in the
    next session, meaning open session. They were not. One example being the
    firing of Garr Nielsen. Had past council members been called as I suggested this
    practice would have been revealed. One of the other complaints regarding
    treatment of personnel, could have been revealed in the testimony of past
    council members and victims. This was regarding the Tawnie Hansen lawsuit.
    Through the advice of an attorney, we asked the Grand Jury to ask all witnesses
    to bring with them their personal records. These records would have disclosed all
    of the prior dispositions. The Grand Jury did not respond to this complaint and no
    witnesses were called. Some of the witnesses subject to be called were
    Garr Nielsen, Tawnie Hansen and Larry Glass. So, to print anything in the paper regarding
    some of the complaints would end up as: “He,said. She, said.” This would be
    worthless information and would not prove anything. The system has been
    set up where the public, in order to bring justice regarding corrupt government,
    has the ability to hire their own attorneys.

  81. What Now
    August 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Third Eye, my sincere apologies.
    That was intended for Forest Queen.
    Had too many window open and copied the wrong post to respond to.

  82. August 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    @ What Now,
    How does attacking your fellow womb/man aid our ailing society? How do lies aid our ailing society?
    The US is still under Martial Law from the 1860’s. Abraham Lincoln declared martial law during the American Civil War (1861-1865). Martial law has not been lifted yet from his declaration of martial law, over a hundred years ago. Any time US corporate entities want to do something that is illegal under the Constitution, they simply go ahead with it under the principle of martial law declared by Lincoln. This is how Executive Orders are presented. They are Executive Orders based on martial law that has not been lifted. This is also referred to as Admiralty Law. The function of the US Judicial system as it currently stands is to protect the Washington D.C private corporation from exposure to interference. This private corporation is constitutionally illegal. The Constitution is based on Common Law, not Admiralty Law.
    Do your homework.

  83. Just the fax
    August 27, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    So what was the slander against Larry Glass? I’ve heard most of that over the years.

    Please state one fact that was not accurate in 8:41 am’s post.

  84. Thirdeye
    August 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    I don’t know about the Garr Nielsen/Tawnee Hansen stuff, but circumventing the City Manager’s role whenever he had an agenda with City staff (both the planning staff and EPD) was Glass’s M.O. It was borne of the same arrogance he showed at City Council meetings.

    Larry Glass did not use his Works address to run for City Council. He rented an apartment to establish residency, but his actual residence there was never authenticated. All evidence was that he continued to reside on Felt Road, out by Three Corners. Essentially the same sham.

  85. Larry Glass
    August 27, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    (Garr was fired because he had an affair with a married EPD subordinate (Tawnie Hansen) and then lied about it while under oath.)
    Lie
    (No, wait, it was Larry who was fired for lying. Remember the Rotary debate you did where you told the packed audience that you were all in favor of the Marina Center. I heard you could of heard a pin drop after that statement.)
    Not what I said. I said they could build what ever they people want after they fully cleaned the site as per the Baykeeper settlement
    (Garr lied on his subsequent job applications and once again was caught.)
    Lie
    (No, wait, it was Larry Glass who lied to the election office where he lived (The Works address) and was subsequently caught.)
    Lie. I lived at 212 J st #B the whole time I was in office
    (Larry also lied to the press whenever talking about Tyson and Tawnie.
    I believe Tawnie Hansen, and I know what I saw and heard.
    (Garr used city vehicle and gas to drive five hours away to see Tawnie Hansen, claiming he didn’t know he couldn’t use his EPD vehicle to drive wherever he wanted for personal reasons, not business.)
    I was in his contract, full unlimited use of the vehicle.
    (No. wait, it was Larry Glass who did not get the proper Conditional Use Permit when he changed business locations, claiming he didn’t know the law.)
    True
    (Garr was fired because circumvented policies and procedures in place.)
    He was fired because Tyson sware to get even.
    (No, wait that was Larry Glass who tried to run the City of Eureka without going through the City Manager.)
    True to the extent I wouldn’t do what Tyson told me to.
    (Garr was fired because he spent all Eureka City Council meetings in the back of the room texting to Larry Glass. No, wait, that was Larry Glass who spent all Eureka City Council meetings texting to Garr and ignoring his constituents speaking.)
    No i was during Mike and Jeff’s endless soliliquys

    all in all your 95% full of shit.

  86. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Wow! Some interesting, some a little crazy, comments.

    Former EPD Chief of Police was fired, that is a fact. There were several reasons for firing him, good reasons. I am surprised he wasn’t fired earlier ! It must have be because he had the support of Linda Atkins and his good pal Larry Glass ?

    Just because a few vocal people said Garr Nielsen was well respected doesn’t mean that he was. Many of the few supporters of Garr N. would not be so supportive if they knew the rest of the story. But that is done. Garr N. is gone, he can’t find another job. And life goes on.

  87. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Maybe the public could trade Arkley a Home Depot for ward elections.

    Larry, don’t be so hard on yourself. It’s about the(ir) money.

  88. Donald
    August 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Please Larry, do tell us more about Tyson and what you witnessed, and/or heard at City Hall

  89. not a fan
    August 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    Yea Larry tell us more bullshit. Its about that your an ass Larry. Worse a not to smart whinny ass. Only thing left to do is get Linda out and Eureka can go forward. This blog now is run by Mitch, Richard, and Larry. How fitting. Down the pot it goes.

  90. Mitch
    August 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    That’s a little insulting to Eric and Heraldo, not a fan, don’t you think?

  91. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    uh, it’s “whiny”, not “whinny”. “Whinny” is a noise a horse makes. Oh. Is that what you meant? Either way: pfffft.

  92. What Now
    August 27, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    “Not a Fan”-One of Highly Fried’s multiple personalities or just another rectum head with a computer link.
    If you’re looking for the Bll shit echo chamber, go on over to Samoa Softball of Rose, they’ll always welcome one more intellectually dishonet inbred troglodyte without any critical reasoning skills and you fit THAT bill perfectly.

  93. Plain Jane
    August 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    How exactly is Linda standing in the way of progress, NAF? She only has one vote against the Arkley minions but you blame her for our problems? One “party” control of any government is bad news for the minority who doesn’t share the same views. In the case of Eureka, city-wide voting for all the wards funded primarily by the powerful to further their agenda denies the people who live in the wards a legitimate representative.

  94. Tell the truth,Larry!
    August 27, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    (Garr was fired because he had an affair with a married EPD subordinate (Tawnie Hansen) and then lied about it while under oath.)
    Lie

    Not a lie. Ask Garr and Tawnie and the many people who saw them together around town together.

    (No, wait, it was Larry who was fired for lying. Remember the Rotary debate you did where you told the packed audience that you were all in favor of the Marina Center. I heard you could of heard a pin drop after that statement.)
    Not what I said. I said they could build what ever they people want after they fully cleaned the site as per the Baykeeper settlement

    Larry, there were over 125 people in the audience that day who heard you say, “I’m a big fan of the Marina Center.” Of course that was probably after your handlers told you about how strong the Marina Center was polling and you didn’t want to be perceived as a Humboldt ”regressive” against any progress.

    (Garr lied on his subsequent job applications and once again was caught.)
    Lie

    http://lebanon-express.com/news/local/city-interviews-seven-finalists-for-police-chief/article_3a90b404-93d8-11e1-91e4-001a4bcf887a.html
    Garr Nielsen
    Nielsen, of Beaverton, worked for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office for 21 years, ending his time there at the rank of captain.
    His most recent job was as chief of police in Eureka, Calif., a city of 25,000 residents. He worked there from 2007 to 2011, leaving because he wanted a change, and he and his family wanted to return to Oregon.
    Kind of failed to mention he was fired by the City of Eureka, but hey, Lebanon, Oregon didn’t hire him anyway. Nor has any other law enforcement agency. Wonder why?

    (No, wait, it was Larry Glass who lied to the election office where he lived (The Works address) and was subsequently caught.)
    Lie. I lived at 212 J st #B the whole time I was in office

    Larry, where were you registered to vote earlier this year before someone turned you in to the Elections Office? That’s right, The Works business address.

    (Larry also lied to the press whenever talking about Tyson and Tawnie.
    I believe Tawnie Hansen, and I know what I saw and heard.

    Believing a tramp is not the brightest move. Ask around the many, many people who witnessed Garr and Tawnie sneaking around town together. It’s a small town.

    (Garr used city vehicle and gas to drive five hours away to see Tawnie Hansen, claiming he didn’t know he couldn’t use his EPD vehicle to drive wherever he wanted for personal reasons, not business.)
    I was in his contract, full unlimited use of the vehicle.

    Unlimited use of the vehicle for police business, not to go visit his mistress.

    (No. wait, it was Larry Glass who did not get the proper Conditional Use Permit when he changed business locations, claiming he didn’t know the law.)
    True

    (Garr was fired because circumvented policies and procedures in place.)
    He was fired because Tyson sware to get even.

    Garr was fired by a majority of the City Council. Tyson did not have a vote.

    (No, wait that was Larry Glass who tried to run the City of Eureka without going through the City Manager.)
    True to the extent I wouldn’t do what Tyson told me to.

    (Garr was fired because he spent all Eureka City Council meetings in the back of the room texting to Larry Glass. No, wait, that was Larry Glass who spent all Eureka City Council meetings texting to Garr and ignoring his constituents speaking.)
    No i was during Mike and Jeff’s endless soliliquys

    So we can agree that you tried to run the City of Eureka yourself without going through the City Manger.

    How many City of Eureka employees respected you?

    How many City of Eureka employees voted for you?

    How did the voters respond to your overbearing, rude style of dictatorship?

    You might want to pass this on to Linda Atkins.

  95. Longtime Eurekan
    August 27, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Larry Glass is known by the vast majority of Eurekans (including both those who agree and disagree with him on individual political issues) to be an inveterate teller of the truth. That is a straight-out fact.

    Truth is, Tyson permitted the Above the Law blog to go on for months longer than a court found he should have, constituting employee abuse of Tawnee Hansen, where she was slandered for months by her co-workers. The city of Eureka settled this one for $150K, paid for by its insurance, which is paid for by its citizens.

    Truth is, Gar Nielsen was a very popular, hard-working and honest police chief guilty of the sin of coming in and shaking up a notorious local department which had killed four of its own citizens in the previous fifteen months. For that act of audacity, he earned the emnity of the old-boy cops and Dave Tyson, their old boy king. Gar’s honesty, success and popularity frightened Tyson. So Tyson fired him.

    The City of Eureka has been a corrupt, small-town, back-room-deal place back since the Gold Rush. And that old adage is especially apt here: power is never given up willingly; you gotta drag ’em out kicking and screaming.

    Now they’re just screaming about Linda Atkins – the good ol’ boys’ threat du jour.

    Go Linda, go!

  96. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Tell the Truth, Larry is Suzy Owsley.

  97. tra
    August 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Well we can add “Admiralty law” to the long list of things Forest Queen, pseudolawyer extraordinaire, obviously doesn’t have a clue about.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pseudolaw

  98. Ain't Buyin' What They're Sellin'
    August 27, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    “Tell the Truth, Larry!” is confused about the City of Eureka’s operational method.

    Cities are run in one of two ways, as generally specified in their charters: the “city council-led” way, in which the city council makes ALL policy and ratifies the hiring and firing of its most important employees (city manager, police chief, city attorney, etc.). Or, the “executive-led” way, in which nearly all power is vested in a city manager or mayor.

    Eureka is NOT an “executive-led” city (despite Tell the Truth, Larry’s misconception and Dave Tyson acting as if it does). It is a “city council-led” city (read the charter). Therefore, TTTL has it backwards. Dave Tyson is the one supposed to be coming before the city council for all policy direction, and he generally performs a good charade of doing so at the council meetings. Of course, everyone knows that he has been subverting the council-led system for a decade or so, usefully orchestrating all city moves to directly or indirectly benefit the developers from old Eureka families and then presenting the decisions to his good ol’ boy council members to ratify. This is the worst-kept secret in the county, folks.

    Larry Glass frontally challenged this system in a way no one had ever seen before, which is why he presented such a threat to Arkley, Tyson and everyone who worked hard to defeat him. Now they want to take down Linda to cement their message to progressives in town: “we dare anyone to stand up to us.”

  99. Tell the Truth, Joe
    August 27, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Since Joe Bonino is an accountant at the HSU Foundation maybe he can give us some insight into the Arkely Center scam, how Arkley purchased it and how much public money was lost in the process.

    Tell the truth, Joe.

  100. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    Some challenge LG gave the system, allowed his buddy to clearly abuse his power by taking his car long distance trips for personal use! Anyone knows this is never right, but the good old boy system LG had is ok.

  101. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Keep up the whining, Suzy. You’re digging your hole deeper.

  102. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Tell the Truth, Joe :
    Since Joe Bonino is an accountant at the HSU Foundation maybe he can give us some insight into the Arkely Center scam, how Arkley purchased it and how much public money was lost in the process.
    Tell the truth, Joe.

    It was privately owned property when purchased by SN. No public money was lost. So what part about is is a scam, unless you are a full blown tin-foil hat wearer?

  103. Anonymous
    August 27, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    “(Garr) Kind of failed to mention he was fired by the City of Eureka, but hey, Lebanon, Oregon didn’t hire him anyway. Nor has any other law enforcement agency. Wonder why?”

    Chief of police positions are few and highly competitive…Wonder how Murl Harpham’s application would fare in the real world??

    Eureka had a serious epidemic of police-shooting and overtime abuse that stopped with Garr Nelson.

    “How many City of Eureka employees respected you (LG)?How many City of Eureka employees voted for you?”

    Few city employees live in the city limits, including most police officers AND Tyson. Maybe their performance would improve if they were required to live in the city they administrate for.

  104. Eric Kirk
    August 27, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    It’s a basic question. If you like the way Eureka has been run for the past, however many years – you pick the number – you vote for Bonino who represents the status quo without dissent. If you think we’ve got some serious problems that need fixing, vote Atkins to maintain at least one vote of dissent. This will be my first Eureka municipal election! Looking forward to helping Linda win.

  105. No On Bonino
    August 27, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    If local media routinely informed people about how their city was being run; how elections are corrupted by money; what the development community gains by their political dominance…and the costs in public subsidies and quality of life of that dominance….

    Then, “yes”…it would be a “basic question”, i.e., well-understood by voters. (It is neither).

    In the last election many “liberals” complained that Cheryl Seidner entered the race too late, few “democrats” assisted in the campaign and she lost big. Seidner’s leadership and public service resume far eclipsed Bohn’s.

    Joe Bonino is a little-known HSU functionary who entered the race as late as possible! Atkins’ is the well-known incumbent, her life-achievements and public service on boards far eclipse Bonino.

    Yet, Linda will win by a hair!

    The game is rigged, the system is corrupt, the people are not democratically represented and half the nation abstains in response.

    Thank you for helping Linda!

  106. Game Changer
    August 28, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Write-in candidate may join Eureka race

    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_21415795/blue-lake-rio-dell-hold-elections-write-candidate

    In Eureka, incumbent Linda Atkins and contender Joe Bonino could see another challenger for the 2nd Ward council seat. Eureka resident Charlie Bean said Monday that he plans to enter the race as a write-in candidate.

    ”Well, I couldn’t do it before because I missed the deadline, but now I am really serious about it,” said the 55-year-old, who serves on the Transportation Safety Commission and the Eureka Housing Authority.

    The filling period for write-in candidates is Sept. 10 to Oct. 23, Crinch said. Write-in candidates are not required to collect 20 signatures for nomination, but they do have to file a declaration of write-in candidacy with their respective city clerk’s office at least 14 days prior to elections, she said.

    Crinch added that because a write-in candidate’s name does not appear on the ballot there is some room for error if voters misspell a write-in candidate’s name.

    ”People often think that you have to spell the name exactly right or it does not count, and that discourages them. That is not true,” she said. “The candidate will provide a list of variations of their name to the city clerk that we will count as acceptable. As long as the elections department can discern the voter’s intent, we accept the vote.”

    Another important tip from Crinch: Don’t forget to fill in the bubble. Crinch said the election’s department cannot accept votes for qualified write-in candidates if the bubble next to the candidate’s name is not filled in.

    Let’s see what George Clark, Larry Glass and Richard Salzman have to say about this!

  107. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Do not worry, lots of nasty things will be written about him here, and in letters to knock him(CB) out of the race. With him in the race, it will split Linda’s vote, so she cannot win.

  108. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Eric Kirk :
    It’s a basic question. If you like the way Eureka has been run for the past, however many years – you pick the number – you vote for Bonino who represents the status quo without dissent. If you think we’ve got some serious problems that need fixing, vote Atkins to maintain at least one vote of dissent. This will be my first Eureka municipal election! Looking forward to helping Linda win.

    Welcome to Eureka, Eric!

  109. Joel Mielke
    August 28, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Well said, Eric.
    And seriously, Charlie Bean?

  110. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 9:14 am

    See, anybody but Linda gets the trash treatment.

  111. August 28, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Tra,
    Another senseless attack from the semi-conscious. I’ve traveled without the corporate d/l, REGIStration, and insurance for two+ years. . . how’s that foot taste? Heard anything lately about their urgent/emergency ordinance? Mmmm second foot. Room for a third?
    I feel like I’m surrounded by dead womb/men walking.

  112. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 9:46 am

    What has Atkins done for us, besides being a dissenting voice? Jobs?

  113. Shoeless Joe
    August 28, 2012 at 9:51 am

    How does one city council person in the minority provide “jobs?” If you are lacking jobs then your question should be directed at the people who have been running the city for the last 25 years.

  114. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 9:54 am

    Linda? To start with, she listens. Joe’s ideas are old and hard, kindda like his arteries.

  115. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Being unemployed, I do not care about anything but jobs. The others listen also. They may not take much notice of gold fringe flags and all that, but they do care, and listen.

  116. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 10:05 am

    If you care about jobs, vote for Obama – and Linda Atkins.

    Democratic policies work. Republican policies just make rich people wealthier.

  117. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Why, what has Linda done for Jobs? It is a simple question folks.

  118. August 28, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Joel Mielke :

    And seriously, Charlie Bean?

    I could be wrong, but I believe he also used to comment on the Times- Standard site under the name Skippy a while ago. I thought he made some of the more thoughtful comments there. His comments see to have leaned a bit left since his earlier days.

  119. Shoeless Joe
    August 28, 2012 at 10:21 am

    anon 1015 and 946 it is your question that is simply moronic. What has Joe Bonino done for jobs? We have been through 25 years of Arkley/Tyson/banana republicanism and the jobs are PLENTIFUL here. Right?

  120. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 10:24 am

    I am sorry, I did know holding Atkins responsible to help the citizens of Eureka, instead of sitting on her ass, just listening, and disagreeing with the majority of voters.

  121. Zoltar the Munificent
    August 28, 2012 at 10:30 am

    ^^^^^^^^

    Looks like the Repugs are even outsourcing their blog whores these days.

    Ha ha English as a 2nd language.

    Where are you posting from champ?

    BTW you’re fired!

  122. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 10:37 am

    What have Mike, Marian, and Frank done for jobs (other than the glorious, all-inclusive Mariana Center that is not being developed)? It is a simple question folks.

  123. Senior
    August 28, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Where is the Marina Center?

  124. Just Middle Finance
    August 28, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Rob Junior has eliminated jobs at SNC, bankrupted a 70+ year old community bank, and his boys have run the city council for years. Why doesn’t Linda create more jobs?

  125. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 11:21 am

    I haven’t heard any news that the Marina Center has been stopped, have you? No?

    BTW, In order to dis RA, you must dis the many building projects he has helped here.

    Second thought, keep up your hate. It helped you greatly on electing your candidates.

  126. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I haven’t heard any news that the Marina Center has been started. I do remember hearing “Marina Center Now”… about two years ago.

    And, when that glorious “ode to jobs” is created we will have a few new low-paying service jobs. Of course we will also hold RA and company up to that bogus “1000 new jobs” statement – but the history of course will be revised to tell us that the statement included the one-time architects, construction workers, soil remediation workers, and of course City Council members getting paid to get the glorious strip mall built. I can’t wait to tell my out of town friends about our vibrant economy and tourist destination all centered around a Home Depot strip mall. And don’t forget the one room “discovery museum” that most kids tire of in about two visits – and run by the wife of the architect paid to help design the strip mall.

  127. Just Middle Finance
    August 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    So, if someone points out how Rob Junior and the Lords of the Eureka City Council have not created any jobs, but in fact, have eliminated jobs, this is “hate”? hmmmmm

  128. Just Watchin
    August 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    JOBS JOBS JOBS……. Thank you Walmart !!

  129. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    The slander? Larry Glass is one of the people that helps write this blog.

  130. Thirdeye
    August 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Anonymous :

    Tell the Truth, Joe :
    Since Joe Bonino is an accountant at the HSU Foundation maybe he can give us some insight into the Arkely Center scam, how Arkley purchased it and how much public money was lost in the process.
    Tell the truth, Joe.

    It was privately owned property when purchased by SN. No public money was lost. So what part about is is a scam, unless you are a full blown tin-foil hat wearer?

    That’s factually incorrect. HSU had purchased the State Theater (for WAY too much money for the condition it was in) to turn it into a performing arts center. Then they couldn’t come up with the funds they needed to bring the building up to standards. It just sat and rotted under HSU’s ownership. So public funds were thrown away on that boondoggle, but that’s no fault of Arkley’s.

  131. Just Middle Finance
    August 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    You surely can not be using Wal*Mart as evidence of jobs? Might as well as add, prostitution, gambling, pot growing, moonshine brewing, and more politicians to the list.

  132. not a fan
    August 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    What have any of you mouthy bloggers done to create anything in the way of economic development. Yap Yap like little dogs. Larry never did shit for Eureka, Linda has done less. You can run your mouths all you want, does not change the truth. Wal Mart did generate jobs. I know many people who work there and are happy to have jobs. Repugs, how smart. Bet your mommy told you you were smart. She lied.

  133. Not HuMan
    August 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Yeah. Larry never brought Wall Mart to Eureka, he hates bizness peepole. Linda and Larry write the stooped blogs so the Libtards who hat America. I know peepole who work for minimum wage and they like it. Repugs = smart. Libtards = Commies and terrist and dopers.

  134. Senior
    August 28, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    You represent the conservatives very well, keep up the good work

  135. August 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Who is Rob Arkley? Who is Karl Rove? Who is Grover Norquist? Who is Harry Kellerman, and why is he saying terrible things about me?

  136. Joel Mielke
    August 28, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    What has Atkins done for us, besides being a dissenting voice? Jobs?

    Yeah, why hasn’t she brought jobs to Eureka, like the other council members?

  137. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Joel Mielke :

    What has Atkins done for us, besides being a dissenting voice? Jobs?

    Yeah, why hasn’t she brought jobs to Eureka, like the other council members?

    Yeah!

  138. Anonymous
    August 28, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Why the diss of Charlie Bean, Joel?

    “And seriously, Charlie Bean?”

    He’s served on a couple of boards and commissions. I don’t understand why he’s doing the write in thing when he had as much time as anyone to gather signatures, but I don’t understand the dig.

  139. August 29, 2012 at 7:33 am

    Anonymous :
    Why the diss of Charlie Bean, Joel?
    “And seriously, Charlie Bean?”
    He’s served on a couple of boards and commissions. I don’t understand why he’s doing the write in thing when he had as much time as anyone to gather signatures, but I don’t understand the dig.

    From the first of the year, I had a “pic line” in my arm for a bone infection. I was required to stay at home (Which I did not do all the time), but the antibiotic took a lot out of me, infection as well. When the “pic line” was finally removed, it was too late for me to file on time to run for the 2nd Ward. Much has changed improving my health, my life; and, the new Electric Wheelchair I just receive a few days ago, is definitely going to make it easier to address the future.

    I intend to share more information in the very near future, there is plenty of time. If some one wishes to “diss me,” it is okay. Keep an open-mind, address the issues we may have honestly, and most of all, have fun!

    If you wish to share a thought, or even assist in my endeavor, I am easy to find.

    We each have one vote, make it count and “Write in, Charlie Bean, you know what I mean!?”

  140. Plain Jane
    August 29, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Do you have any idea which candidate is most likely to lose votes to your write-in campaign, Charlie?

  141. August 29, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Plain Jane :
    Do you have any idea which candidate is most likely to lose votes to your write-in campaign, Charlie?

    Why, yes, Plain Jane, I do. I intend to win, so would it not be logical that both candidates lose votes to my write-in campaign?

    Have a good day!

    We each have one vote, make it count and “Write in, Charlie Bean, you know what I mean!?”

  142. Anonymous
    August 29, 2012 at 8:26 am

    .

  143. Priceless
    August 29, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Bean’s candidacy will split the Sean Hannity contingent. Bean is a righty isn’t he? If so, bad news for Bonino. Good news for the rest of us.

  144. Chutes & Ladders
    August 29, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Charlie,

    Someone said that you used to go by the moniker Skippy on these forums, is that true?

  145. Plain Jane
    August 29, 2012 at 9:06 am

    You already sound like a seasoned politician, Charlie.

  146. Sigh
    August 29, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Well someone has to ask.

    Charles Bean, what is your plan to bring [JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!] to our fair little Eureka?

    [sigh]

  147. August 29, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Chutes & Ladders :
    Charlie,
    Someone said that you used to go by the moniker Skippy on these forums, is that true?

    No, this is not accurate. I have used “Skippy56” most of the time. I state, most of the time, because I might have left off my numbers, and I do know I had done that under the “Topix blog format” Times Standard used in the past. But since they changed and I could use my Facebook ID, I have used my name. I also, used, “skipthedog” and “charlieB56” in older posts.

    I have read the comments under “Skippy” and have even been questioned by my close friends who know my nickname. So, I know there will be confusion.

    We each have one vote, make it count and “Write in, Charlie Bean, you know what I mean!?”

  148. August 29, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Sigh :
    Well someone has to ask.
    Charles Bean, what is your plan to bring [JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!] to our fair little Eureka?
    [sigh]

    My answer to this is short right now, but I will share bringing jobs to our city should be a top priority and what one can do as a Council member deals with policy and regulations that can encourage businesses to come to our home. I hope to be more involved in encouraging businesses to create more jobs, especially local businesses looking to expand. I am working on a paper to share my thoughts and will share very soon.

    We each have one vote, make it count and “Write in, Charlie Bean, you know what I mean!?”

  149. August 29, 2012 at 10:03 am

    That was it, Skippy56; some of the better comments I’ve read on the T-S web site.

  150. August 29, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Fred Mangels :
    That was it, Skippy56; some of the better comments I’ve read on the T-S web site.

    Thank you!

  151. August 29, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Language, the key mechanism of control. First, you have to recognize (make real) the problem. ‘Job’ – (1627) a criminal enterprise; spec: robbery. (c) a damaging or destructive bit of work ‘Job’ – (1694) to carry on public business for private gain.
    There’s plenty of non-productive ‘jobs,’ just take a look at the Corpse oration’s CURRENT RECRUITMENT list. Weren’t PG&E’s meters DEPLOYED on us? How else could Soetero, a/k/a Bombomb promise ‘jobs?’
    Your friends with their ‘job’ at Chinatown a/k/a WalMart produce nothing – just like those who have ‘jobs’ with the corporate govern(control) mente (mind). True, they receive ‘funny money’ so they can purchase (not buy) GMO sustenance and plastic trinkets.
    Let those who will be deceived, be deceived.

  152. Anonymous
    August 29, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    How ’bout Soils Locater? That’s a job.

  153. Jim White
    August 29, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Candidates need to answer whether or not they support policies proven to move cities in a direction that attracts capital investment….infill, mixed use, mixed income, affordable housing in walkable, safe communities close to shopping, services and jobs…

    Like Arcata! And many other cities scrambling to recreate the attractive, compact communities of their “Old Towns”…a successful development model for thousands of years.

    You know….the convenient, attractive development model that draws wealthy Eurekans across the globe each year to visit. (When they’re not home enjoying the tax write-offs on empty storefronts still in Granddaddy’s name…and the fortune they make harvesting everyone’s infrastructure to build unaffordable McMansion subdivisions 10 miles from downtown…on Granddaddy’s cheap land).

  154. just middle class
    August 29, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Jim, this is not an accurate statement about Arcata. Most of the jobs in Arcata are in Alderwood, which is not a convenient walk from most housing.

  155. just middle class
    August 29, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Oops, Aldergrove and lets include Sun Valley.

  156. pitchfork
    August 29, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Arcata has out competed Eureka for Industrial Business. Look at all of the “formally based in” Eureka business’ that move to Arcata. None has moved to Eureka from Arcata. Eureka is set up to to be the Ghetto for Cutten.

  157. August 29, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Anonymous,
    I don’t know what a ‘soils locater’ is – at least it’s about the Earth, so there must be some work involved, not just pushing papers. I know I come across as cynical – I haven’t turned one PERSON into one of the people. We don’t have to fight to be free, just stop serving. Rescind the so-called contracts, and be done with them. What if, even just a small number of the people of Humboldt rendered unto Caesar the corporation-owned D/L, and REGIStration? I’d jump for joy.The ONLY reason to be licensed and REGIStered is if one DRIVES (not travel) commercially – for profit. I don’t drive a taxi or a bus. I’m not an employee of McDonald’s Corp., so I don’t have to follow McDonald’s corporate rules. I have seen a few trucks with their own plates – the operator of the truck pays for the load at point A, and is paid for it at point B. In other words, it is private property being transported – which is not commercial.

  158. Anonymous
    August 29, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    FQ, I’m not sure what a Soils Locator is either, but it’s what county supervisor Rex Bohn did before he was a county supervisor.

  159. Goldie
    August 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    He was a poop whisperer?

  160. Plain Jane
    August 29, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Sounds like someone who finds top soil to buy.

  161. August 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    A ‘poop whisperer,’ now that IS funny! Finding soil to buy – job. So Rex Bohn had that label huh? Then he turned to politics (poly ticks, many blood suckers) – I can see how that goes together.

  162. Pico Rivera
    August 29, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Charlie Bean,

    Are you a video gamer? Just curious because your campaign has that air of unreality to it, kinda like Stephen Davies from a few years ago. Do you know Stephen?

  163. Thirdeye
    August 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Charlie Bean is the only candidate worth considering.

  164. Joel Mielke
    August 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Jim White and Pitchfork have an understanding of where the calcified, retro-thinking of Eureka will eventually lead. We need to consider our future seriously. The “jobs” mantra is a losing proposition.

  165. Anonymous
    August 29, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    So, again Joel, why the diss of Charlie Bean?

  166. Jim White
    August 29, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    It’s strange to read Charlie Bean’s political platitudes as if he were running for president. He needs to answer whether or not he supports policies proven to move cities in a direction that attracts capital investment…infill, mixed use, mixed income, affordable housing in walkable, safe communities close to shopping, services and jobs…

    Except for the poorly planned Northtown sprawl, the majority of employment in Arcata is within a 10 minuet bike ride.

  167. tra
    August 29, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    “Except for the poorly planned Northtown sprawl, the majority of employment in Arcata is within a 10 minuet bike ride.”

    Oh I think you could bike from downtown Arcata out to the Giuntoli / West End Rd sprawlsville in the time it takes to dance 10 “minuets.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuet

    But seriously, as far as Mr. Bean’s candidacy for the city council, and the original topic of Atkins and the Marina Center, and your question of whether candidates support “mixed use,” and “infill” developments that are “walkable” from the city center, consider this: The Marina Center, which would certainly qualify as “mixed use” and “infill,” is a whole lot closer to downtown Eureka than downtown Arcata is to the Giuntoli / West End Rd. area where Arcata is concentrating most of it’s economic development efforts. Unfortunately, it looks to me like the Marina Center is just a glorified strip mall, to be anchored by a butt-ugly Big Box, and would offer little in the way of economic development, yielding mostly low-wage retail jobs (which will come mostly or entirely at the expense of jobs that will be lost from other local retailers), along with some office space that will just poach tenants from a downtown that already has sky-high vacancy rates for office space.

    Meanwhile “progressive” SmartGrowth (TM) fans, including Mr SmartGrowth (TM) himself, Supervisor Mark Lovelace, have enthusiastically embraced and advocated for the approval of a massive suburban mega-subdivision, way out in Ridgewood, about 10 miles from downtown Eureka, to be built by a large out-of-area developer called Foster-Gill.

    “Mixed use,” “infill,” and “SmartGrowth” (TM) are Foster-Gill’s buzzwords of choice, deployed to mask the ugly reality of bulldozing a forest to make way for a giant suburban subdivision of more than 1,400 units and 200,000 square foot of commercial space — nearly three times the size of the WalMart at the Bayshore Mall — which would add thousands of vehicle trips daily onto the already-congested streets leading from Eureja to Cutten and Ridgewood, not to mention necessitating expensive new sewage-disposal infrastructure.

    So, nothing very “smart” about the Foster-Gill project, yet some SmartGrowth (TM) folks seem weirdly supportive of it, and others eerily silent. Now why would that be? While the so-called SmartGrowthers (TM) decry local builders making contributions to so-called “pro-development” candidates, the fact that Foster-Gill gave thousands of dollars in campaign contributions to the doomed re-election campaign of Lovelace ally and “prgressive” hero Bonnie Neeley is, no doubt, just a completely weird little coincidence.

    Obviously Lovelace’s embrace of Foster-Gill and Neeley’s acceptance of their largess couldn’t possibly be an example of a big out-of-area developer attempting to use its great wealth to muscle through the zoning change they need to allow them to build more units and make greater profits. Which means that Lovelace pimping the Foster-Gill project in the press, and Neeley taking thousands of dollars from Foster-Gill certainly does not make Lovelace and Neeley a couple of pawns for an out-of-area developer. No, certainly not.

    Meanwhile, a good example of an actual affordable, mixed-use, infill-type project is the housing and retail space that was just built across from the Arcata Co-op. I’m not crazy about it from an aesthetic point of view, but at least it actually fits the description of affordable, mixed-use, and infill.

  168. Just Watchin
    August 30, 2012 at 6:17 am

    Anyone know how long Forest Queen has been without her medication?

  169. August 30, 2012 at 10:12 am

    @Just Watchin, why don’t you try participating instead? Just a suggestion: you could change from ‘Just Watchin’ to Froggie.
    FYI, I don’t take petrol-chemical-pharmaceutical poison pills prescribed by a person who paid a tax, labeled license, to prescribe mediSIN, not health. I’m guessing that you do?
    OR, you receive doll hairs to attack – and you bring nothing to the table – Babalyon.
    Otherwise, I’m curious what exactly does posting unfounded pointless attacking remarks do for you?
    Change isn’t happening to us . . .we are the change. It’s NOT what corporate profit protectors do, it’s what we do. Still looking for a ‘save us’ answer from Big Daddy -where’s the change in that?

  170. Just Watchin
    August 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Queenie….. I’m not a “local”, so I don’t “participate” in the progressives vs. Conservatives exchanges about local issues. It’s just fun to watch. But I do recognize incoherent babble when I see it, and that’s why you’re a star in the local blog community !

  171. August 31, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Forest Queen makes about as much sense as a well-known commenter from McKinleyville (now banned from this blog) who now spends his hours lowering the quality of the comment threads on the Lost Coast Outpost).

  172. August 31, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Joel,
    You got your wish, my last post was deleted. Enjoy your view of Plato’s Cave.

  173. August 31, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    We got the idea, Forest Queen. Only you can see reality. The hapless rest of us are living in darkness and ignorance. If only you could enlighten us with something other than inchoate jabber.

  174. August 31, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Joel,
    “We” got the idea . . .any one of us can only speak for ourselves. I NEVER said that only I can see . . .-where do you come up with this??? It’s the negative, useless, senseless, remarks about each other that is of (programmed) slave mentality.
    When I post that I travel w/out the corp’s d/l, regis., and ins. . . .NOT ONE QUESTION on that. If we want real freedom, proven freedom, why not start where Gandhi did, educating the people about the ‘unlawful d/l and regis?’
    You throw out remarks such as ‘inchoate jabber,’ what sentence would you like repeated/explained?

    Like I posted above, my post(s) are being deleted – Supreme Court case rulings. THAT’S what we should be upset about.

  175. August 31, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    “I travel w/out the corp’s d/l, regis., and ins” is the sort of nutty jabber I’m referring to.

  176. August 31, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    C’mon Charlie, you’re denying that you are: “Skippy?” Really?

  177. Just Watchin
    September 1, 2012 at 5:12 am

    I’m glad that I’m not the only one who couldn’t figure out what Queenie was saying. And what the heck is “programmed slave mentality”??
    But Queenie……please keep em coming. It’s why I tune in !!

  178. September 1, 2012 at 6:44 am

    Her incontinent use of quotation marks and all caps adds a mysterious emphasis to her jumble.

  179. jr
    September 1, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Joel: Sort of like listening to Professor Irwin Corey’s monologues?

  180. September 1, 2012 at 9:46 am

    You guys want to argue with me . . .that’s not what we’re here for.
    Some will let it happen, some will make it happen, some will wonder what happened.
    Once the fiction is removed, no matter how silly it may seem, you’re left with fact. I can’t not see it.
    I’ve found that most are lazy, not interested, or distracted.
    My people shall perish but for lack of knowledge.

    If you’re not living on the edge, you’re taking up too much space. And, it’s getting lonely being the only (?) sovereign in the county.

    Happy Birthday to me.

  181. September 1, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Professor Corey has new competition for his title as “the World’s Foremost Authority on Everything.”

  182. Anonymous
    September 1, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    So, for the third time snarkyJoel, why the diss do Charlie bean?

  183. September 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I think that Charlie Bean will be about as viable a candidate as Xandra Manns was, and in a tight race, he could, like Manns, be a spolier.

  184. tra
    September 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Probably less viable, since Manns was on the ballot, while Bean will be a write-in candidate. But in a close race, even a few votes could make a difference. It’s not clear to me, however, whether Bean would draw more votes from potential Atkins supporters or from potential Bonino supporters — at this point I don’t know enough about Bean and his political views to have an informed opinion on that.

  185. 2:43
    September 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Thanks for the reply Joel, though I don’t agree – I think Linda will win comfortably, because she is putting in the work, knocking on doors and not taking her re-election for granted.

  186. 2:43
    September 1, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    But all that aside, I really like Mr. Bean. I think he’d be a fine choice, in four years.

  187. suzy blah blah
    September 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    @Forest Queen, If your language won’t conform to wearing a team uniform you will be seen as being merely the silly mascot who comes out and runs around on the blog-field during time-outs. That allows for dismissing valid arguments by labeling them gibberish rather than addressing their content. Or poking fun at differences in style by concluding that you’re “off your meds”. In other words, if you don’t conform to a rigid and militaristic set of rules your posts are automatically meaningless –but acceptable for amusement.

  188. Jim White
    September 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    I don’t understand your point “tra”.

    Just because Bonnie and Mark are wrong about the Forster Gill project being Smart Growth, doesn’t mean that our cities, and this county’s, efforts shouldn’t be focused on mixed-use, mxed income infill like Arcata.

    Their are many books written on this subject that, apparently, the folks who keep winning local elections never care to hear, read or research …or they could lose their primary political contributors.

  189. tra
    September 1, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    I agree, you apparently didn’t understand my point. I have no problem with actual mixed use, walkable, infill-type development in our cities, which is why, in the last paragraph, I spoke favorably about the recent affordable housing project in downtown Arcata. I was simply pointing out that some of those who claim to support mixed-use, walkable, infill-type development seem more than willing to apply those buzzwords to support projects like Foster-Gill, which really don’t fit the description. Yet their supporters seem to either blindly accept this, or else remain strangely silent about the contradiction. You can bet that if the Foster-Gill project was an Arkley project, these same folks would be up in arms about it.

  190. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 3:18 am

    What about the people who live in neighborhoods without any services at all, Tra? The Ridgewood population has increased many times over as businesses have disappeared. There was once a grocery store with 2 gas pumps and a “dime store,” as well as a beauty shop, a mechanic’s garage and a dog kennel. Now there is a nursery. There is no affordable housing and no public transportation. McMansions cover the ridges and more modest homes the former gardens and horse pastures, but there is no place to buy even a carton of milk. Only in Ridgewood do you hear, “Let’s walk up to the nursery and get some ice cream.” Should neighborhoods like Ridgewood be abandoned or should we plan to make them more “walkable” with “infill?”

  191. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 10:11 am

    To further clarify, I don’t think there is only one approach to creating mixed-use, walkable communities. We need to build homes close to existing services, but we also need services close to existing communities.

  192. September 2, 2012 at 10:30 am

    As often, sensible, Jane, and these mean jobs, too.

    It’s how I took your article.

  193. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 10:35 am

    If you’re going to argue that the distance existing residents of a given area have to travel for services justifies building something on the scale of a Foster-Gill-sized subdivision / commercial development, then would you also support a Foster-Gill-sized subdivision for Fieldbrook, one for Westhaven, one for Humboldt Hill, one for Benbow, one for Shelter Cove, etc, etc?

  194. September 2, 2012 at 10:43 am

    The way I took it, tra, she was supporting the idea of ‘infilling’ services, where you have a prototypical, car-reached only suburb. This seems a fine idea to extend the concept words being bandied around.

    Maybe I don’t have the picture, though, not living there now.

  195. September 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Joel,

    We aren’t going to shame our way to freedom. Shame is the lowest frequency/densest tone. When the intention is to destroy others, then clearly the outcome will not be positive.
    Becoming sovereign is not an event. It’s a journey. A life style.

    Do you know how I know I don’t know everything? Because you don’t . . .and we’re all equal. Nothing exists in a disconnected manner.

    If you want to get out of Egypt, let me know. Lets not circle around in the commercial desert for 40 years this time.

  196. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 11:12 am

    The Forster-Gill property is already zoned residential, Tra, and is completely surrounded by development, mostly homes.. Adding some apartments and a few retail conveniences isn’t the same as rezoning agricultural land. None of the communities you listed have the current population density as Ridgewood with the exception of Humboldt Hill which has services, jobs, affordable housing (mobile homes and apartments) and public transportation.

  197. September 2, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Suzy Blah Blah,

    Thanks for the clarification. I’ll stop ‘entertaining.’

  198. September 2, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Becoming sovereign is not an event. It’s a journey. A life style . . .If you want to get out of Egypt, let me know. Lets not circle around in the commercial desert for 40 years this time.

    “Becoming sovereign”? And how am I “in Egypt”? More gibberish from our new clown.

  199. September 2, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Forest Queen, I figured out what ‘traveling without d/l, reg, ins’ meant.

    I’d like to know what you were saying in some attribution to Gandhi, with some abbreviations like this.

    Can’t find it again, so that was probably one of your taken-down messages. But I would sincerely like to know the non-abbreviated version, if you can remember what you said.

    Thanks.

  200. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    “Adding some apartments and a few retail conveniences”

    If that’s all Foster-Gill’s plan was, that would be one thing. Their actual proposal is to build 1,400 housing units and 200,000 square foot of commercial space. That’s nearly 3 times the amount of commercial space as the WalMart at Bayshore mall.

    I do understand the argument that existing zoning would already allow them to build houses on that property. I recall reading that they might, at least in theory, be able to build up to 900 units, given the density standards in their existing zoning. If their plan was to instead build 800 units, some of them apartments, and use some of the remaining space for “a few retail conveniences,” that would be a different situation. Instead, their approach has been to demand that they be allowed to build 60% more units, AND 200,000+ square feet of commercial space.

  201. September 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    You know, it occurs to me, tra, on the side of effectiveness.

    Having come back to America, I see these mega-developments far too often, and wonder if what may be going on here is just a developer with ‘habits’, who on the north coast sees, as we once saw the forests, that here looks to be a lot of land. So, why not?

    Thus instead of pure resistance, it seems a sideways and multiple move would be good: Propose and help them plan a set of development that occurs in a number of different places, instead of just the one.

    Now you have a chance to a lot of infill, of whatever type. You produce housing, if properly allocated, that can invite many different kinds of persons, including the non-affluent retiring kind.

    I’m not retiring, but I really need a quiet place, for example. Maybe you guys could create a way I could return to a home up there.

    Just a thought, if one I find connected to other thoughts of how to deal with the leviathan. Since it’s very much there…

  202. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    In order to include affordable housing and maintain economical feasibility, they have determined that they need the zoning changes requested which are, essentially, about infill and creating walkability in an already densely populated and relatively prosperous neighborhood with no retail, business, mass transit or affordable housing.

  203. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    P.J.,

    Do you happen to know what the current population of Ridgewood is, and what the density is, or where that information might be found?

    According to Wikipedia, Westhaven has a population of 1,205 and density of 150 / square mile.

  204. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    And remember, this is a multiple phased development over many years.

  205. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Is it really a question of “feasibility,” or just a question of maximizing profits? In other words, would they actually lose money if their plan was to build 800 units, some of them apartments, plus a more modest amount of commercial space? Or would they just not make as much money on a scaled-down version? My guess is it’s the latter.

  206. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I don’t have a number, Tra, but I’m sure the population is much higher and density much greater since almost all of the non-timber zoned land has been subdivided as densely as zoning allows, flag lots everywhere. Do you know the status of rezoning to residential the timberland on the east side of Walnut?

  207. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    So you would prefer less infill and less walkability for Ridgewood, Tra?

  208. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t have a list handy of their retail / business space allotment, but I would rather have a number of small, locally owned and convenient choices for my routine shopping, grabbing a bite to eat, cup of coffee, dry cleaning / laundromat, etc, than have to drive several miles to shop at a corporate behemoth.

  209. September 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    I don’t get where TRA “would prefer less infill and less walkability for Ridgewood.”

  210. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    He wants less density (infill) (800 units instead of 1400) and less retail which would mean more driving and less walking for daily needs. That seems pretty clear cut to me.

  211. Eric Kirk
    September 2, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    You can bet that if the Foster-Gill project was an Arkley project, these same folks would be up in arms about it.

    Perhaps. But would Arkley support a project which “caves” to smart growth principles as a precedent? Why do the Arkley forces oppose this project so vehemently? Because they’re environmentalists?

    I’m still undecided myself because what I know about the project is what I’ve read on the blogs, but nature of the opposition has me suspicious.

  212. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Considering that the opposition wants to rezone and subdivide the timberland on the east side of Walnut, your suspicions may be justified, Eric.

  213. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    P.J.,

    It depends on whether the 800 units were clustered together relatively close to the retail part of the project or were spread out to the same area as the 1,400 units. If the latter, then yes, it would be less dense. Not necessarily less “walkable,” though, since even in that scenario the folks from the farthest of the 800 units would not be any further from the retail stuff as the farthest of the 1,400 units would be.

    As far as impacts on traffic, it looks like under Foster-Gill’s plan, the net effect would be a whole lot more traffic going in and out of the Ridgewood area, as the 200,000 square feet of commercial space will employ far fewer people than will inhabit the 1,400 new residential units — so the great majority of those new residents will still be commuting elsewhere for employment, just like the great majority of existing Ridgewood residents do now. In other words, it will make an existing suburban bedroom community into a larger suburban bedroom community.

    And some of the employees of the new businesses that occupy the new commercial space will be folks who will now be commuting to Ridgewood daily from Eureka and other areas. Plus, depending on what kinds of stores/businesses occupy that 200,000 square feet of commercial, you could have a substantial amount of additional traffic going into and out of the area because of customers/clients coming in from Eureka, Cutten, etc.

    Yes, some existing Ridgewood residents will be able to avoid driving for some of their grocery shopping and a few other services, but it seems likely the amount this would reduce traffic will be far outweighed by the increase in traffic due to the thousands of new residents/commuters, as well as shoppers from Eureka and Cutten visiting the new businesses. While some commuters and shoppers might take the bus if bus service is extended to Ridgewood, the estimate given in the North Coast Journal is that, at full build-out, there would be about 25,000 additional vehicle trips per day. That should be fun.

  214. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    By the time of the full build-out more people will be working from home and using mass transit because of gas prices, not to mention all the retired baby boomers. The retail / business plans will benefit the entire neighborhood, not just the people who live in Forster-Gill.

  215. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    “I would rather have a number of small, locally owned and convenient choices for my routine shopping, grabbing a bite to eat, cup of coffee, dry cleaning / laundromat, etc, than have to drive several miles to shop at a corporate behemoth.”

    Wouldn’t we all. But there’s no guarantee that your choices at Foster-Gill’s glorified strip mall will be “small, locally-owned” businesses, and not just another outpost of the “corporate behemoths.”

    By the way, the NCJ article from a few years ago refers to the plans being for a “327,000 square foot commercial district, about half the size of the Bayshore Mall.” Plenty of room for some corporate behemoths. And as we were reminded with WalMart’s arrival at the Bayshore mall, once it’s zoned for retail, you aren’t really allowed to pick and choose which retailers will be allowed in the future.

  216. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “By the time of the full build-out more people will be working from home and using mass transit because of gas prices.”

    Maybe. And maybe by then most people will be driving electric cars. In the meantime, there’s going to be a whole lot of fossil-fueled traffic clogging up Walnut and Campton.

  217. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Better a conveniently located outlet of a behemoth than having to drive several miles to a larger outlet of a behemoth.

  218. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Having actually lived in Ridgewood when it had a MUCH smaller population that supported neighborhood businesses of grocery, beer bar, etc, with some like the mechanic’s shop, dog kennel and nursery drawing business from elsewhere and seeing the population increase as local services disappeared, I have a different perspective. Ridgewood lost the neighborhood feeling and became just a bedroom community of Eureka.

  219. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    “Better a conveniently located outlet of a behemoth than having to drive several miles to a larger outlet of a behemoth.”

    At the moment, the grocery store nearest to Ridgewood is Murphy’s in Cutten — not exactly a “corporate behemoth.”

    In fact, if a new “corporate behemoth” supermarket at Foster-Gill puts Murphy’s in Cutten out of business, then you’ll have a corporate behemoth “conveniently located” for Ridgewood residents, while Cutten residents will then have the pleasure of “driving several miles” to their choice of corporate behemoth in Ridgewood, or in Eureka.

  220. suzy blah blah
    September 2, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    @Forest Queen,
    Becoming sovereign is not an event. It’s a journey. A life style . . .If you want to get out of Egypt, let me know. Lets not circle around in the commercial desert for 40 years this time.

    -totally coherent to anyone but a dunce.

    Language, the key mechanism of control.

    -understood. And hence the bullying from simpletons who charge that abbreviations, metaphor, and so forth, is gibberish. And get their jollies by labeling one a clown

  221. Anonymous
    September 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    I think it’s safe to say that Forest Queen’s “gold-fringed flag” conspiracy stuff falls somewhere between garden-variety mumbo-jumbo, and full-blown gibberish.

  222. Plain Jane
    September 2, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Why on earth do you think people would drive to Ridgewood to shop at a corporate behemoth when there is one a lot closer to Murphy’s already, Tra? I doubt there will ever be a corporate behemoth in Ridgewood, more likely a smaller than normal Murphy’s or Rays. I would prefer Murphy’s because of their superior customer service, local meat and produce.

  223. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    If Murphy’s goes out of business, the two choices closest to Cutten would be the new Safeway on Harris, or whatever goes in at Foster-Gill.

    As far as the size of the supermarket planned for Foster-Gill, take a look at the drawing from Foster-Gill:

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/images/article/2977/

    The NCJ reported that the total amount of commercial space at Foster-Gill would be 327,000 square feet, and it looks like the supermarket is a pretty substantial part of that. There’s also a pretty big “box” anchoring the other end of the strip mall. For purposed of comparison, note that the Wal-Mart at the Bayshore mall is about 60,000 square feet — and it looks like both the supermarket and the other “box” anchor at Foster-Gill would be at least that large. If you think you’d just be getting a handful of small, locally-owned businesses, I think you may be in for a big (box) surprise.

  224. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    If you’re good at Tetris, you could print out the map, cut out the little blue single family houses, and try and see how many of them you can fit inside that market, and how many you can fit inside the big “box” building at the opposite end of the mall. In both cases, the answer would be “a whole lot.” These would not be small structures.

  225. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    According to this document…

    http://co.humboldt.ca.us/planning/forster-gill/docs/appendices/appendix%20a%20-%20general%20plan%20petition/general%20plan%20petition.pdf

    …the supermarket would be about 60,000 square feet. That’s a pretty large supermarket. Winco, for example, is about 80,000 square feet. So it looks like the supermarket at Foster-Gill would be about 3/4 the size of Winco. That doesn’t sound like a “smaller than usual Murphy’s or Ray’s.”

  226. tra
    September 2, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    According to the North Coast Journal, Murphy’s Markets are in the 15,000-20,000 square foot range:

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/091798/cover0917.html

    Meanwhile, the new Safeway on Harris is about 50,000 square feet.

  227. September 2, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Forest Queen, I found it (the Gandhi reference) after all — it’s above.

    The abbreviations are two of the same. You just threw me off by spelling one of the ‘regis’ this time — got me thinking about queens and things.

    Speaking as one who has the temptation, allusive language is a very hard sell, much as suzy observes. I don’t actually think to advise, though.

    Well, maybe in one way. If you layer it, decoding does get remarkably harder. I’m still interested in your connective thought to Gandhi, himself not at all one of life’s more simple individuals.

    Coming back to Gandhi. I think you’re referring then to his use of civil disobedience. But I’m attracted in reading just now to accounts of his stubbornness, which began all this, and was directed at unfairness, including towards himself.

    I’m smiling if this is part of the connection you find, Forest Queen.

  228. September 3, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Narration,
    Regis was the Roman General who defeated Spartacus in 249 B .C. I didn’t ‘all caps’ it once because I thought maybe it better to post in ‘slave-speak.’
    Stubborn – well, I suppose yes. I recall one incident, back in the day when I beLIEved that protesting made a difference. We were walking (and chanting) to Old Courthouse Square in Santa Rosa and when we got within a block there was yellow tape across the road and sidewalks. Everyone walked all the way around – except me.

    IFF (I found freedom) anyone is interested buildasign.com is having a 15% off sale. This is where I purchased my plates for my truck that I (not the state) own. Martial law rule (Oh no! there’s those words again!) is based on presumption (that you’re a slave, collateral, resource, unit). What I do is preemptive – I send Notice & Commands to police, sheriffs, DA’s, judges – that say this is who I am, this is what I’m not. I’m never motioned roadside. Fact and fiction can’t meet.

    The problem isn’t debt, fear and scarcity, it’s fraud, deceit and illusion.

  229. tra
    September 3, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Forest Queen,

    So, just for laughs, let’s pretend that your “Notice & Commands” and your homemade “plates” actually had any legal validity, and weren’t just more “gold-fringed-flag” -type mumbo-jumbo…

    Under your approach, if I wished to drive from here to New York, I would have to send my
    “Notice & Commands” to thousands of different police departments, sheriff’s departments, DAs and judges? Compared to all that, I think I’d rather pay the relatively small state tax and registration fees and get a license plate recognized by all 50 states and every local jurisdiction.

    Of course you apparently believe that your approach grants you some kind of immunity from the “gold-fringed-flag” “Admiralty courts” that haunt your delusions. So, within the confines of your delusional beliefs, your decision to use homemade plates and rely on mumbo-jumbo makes perfect sense.

    But when you do eventually get pulled over, the mumbo-jumbo and the fake plates are going to be of equal (nonexistent) value in a court of law. But that’s O.K., since you will just blame that on the “martial law” of the “Admiralty court” with its “gold-fringed flag.”

    In other words, the mumbo-jumbo supposedly protects you from the Admiralty courts, but on the other hand if the court rejects the validity of your mumbo-jumbo, that will prove that it’s an Admiralty court. Such is the pretzel logic of the conspiratorially deranged.

  230. September 4, 2012 at 7:04 am

    It’s all about her, TRA.

  231. September 4, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Well, you guys. Let’s not be mean, shall we? Out there in the wilds of Humboldt independence, there’s room for all kinds of thinking, taken in sensible doses. I would concern too if Forest Queen gets caught, that’s the main thing. Uses of language can be quite valuable to balance when the linear gains too much prevalence, can’t it? Speaking for the poet in all of us, I am..

  232. September 4, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Forest Queen, I meant to get back yesterday, but the loose internet wi-finection I was on while out and about just ate the words, as sometimes they will.

    I couldn’t find your connection on a Regis, though there was an actor of that name in the film Spartacus. The history seems pretty foggy, but content that Spartacus was defeated by legions of one Crassus. What a name, and his story on this campaign has a certain link also one might feel to the contemporary world.

    I understand your semiotics truck, but be thoughtful how far you push it, ok? No use us losing a voice for a while over an administrative triviality. I smile and think it reads much better as a temporary interlude in a story, than as something kept up until Caeser himself requires his due.

    Slavery and units. Well, I think a lot of us actually consider on such things, on our better days. Let me propose something. Having been trained in it, and actually having been one of the starters of a first serious environmental consultancy in the US, where we did a lot of interesting things before the reaction occurred, ecology in extending senses seems to be close to my thoughts these days.

    In ecologies, actually especially in cultural and human ones, we all have a degree of autonomy, purely self-chosen, and we all have a degree of role to be responsible to otheres — even if we see that exercised by some kind of relative anarchy. By which I mean there always, always are relationships, and so might as well keep discovering how to enjoy them.

    It’s only the crassest (Crassus?) thinking that binds these relationships into thoughts of ‘units’. Everyone, even and especially bureaucrats, can do better than this. In my mind, that’s what we should hold out for, require, and as humanly make it easier for them to do so. I am thinking of quite independent thought in dealing with them, while actually also trying to make their part of the job easier.

    I remember in Switzerland that there’s a well-developed bureaucracy (though not any membership in the much-feared-here EU). Yet you can really talk to them and work with them in the way I suggest, even as a foreigner. They respect it, being of quite personally independent mind themselves.

    Not an ideal place, any more than any place is, but with some things to enjoy and recommend it. Not rich either, if that is thought, any more than Humboldt County, and somewhat on the same pattern.

    Let me let it go before I start weaving of my own tendency, Forest Queen. A nod your way, and a friendly one.

  233. September 4, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Narration,
    I’m on s l o w-speed dial-up, and when I had to go ‘out’ to my service provider to read/ respond to emails – several days were deleted – just gone. If there are mean remarks above, I’ll pass on reading them.
    Thank you for your friendly nod.

  234. Basta
    September 4, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Get a room, you two.

  235. Anonymous
    September 5, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    The Forster-Gill subdivision is more sprawl.

    Planning experts will tell you that every car and every home you add 10-miles outside of downtown adds thousands of dollars annually in unfunded public subsidies. 300,000 s/f of commercial space might offset a little traffic, but jobs, services and entertainment are in Eureka. The only two direct routes into Eureka, are 25mph school zones.

    Cutten is ALREADY the perfect poster child for sprawl! In 1980, the Martin Slough Interceptor was planned to cope with the millions of gallons of sewage discharging into Elk River and Humboldt Bay during every heavy rain (crab season). 30 years later, all we have are $2 million pipes to nowhere!

    The Forster-Gill subdivision will pay nothing to expand capacity of Eureka’s waste water treatment plant, it will pay nothing to fund street-widening projects that are already “funeral processions” twice a day, it will pay nothing into a (non-existent) fund for the multiple $250,000 traffic signals needed on H Street, I Street, and Myrtle Avenue.

    How dare an “outsider” waltz in here to siphon-off the lax regulations hard-fought by our born-here developers? Our good old boys worked decades to maintain their control of local politics, they earned their “God-given” right to confiscate the public’s over-capacity infrastructure for the highest-profit McMansions that local citizens cannot afford to own, but are forced to subsidize!

    Had developers been required to pay for their actual impacts, Cutten would be half its size today.

  236. Scrappy
    September 6, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Well said, Anonymous #236.
    And thanks for rescuing the conversation from cosmic dream catchers.

  237. Plain Jane
    September 6, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Rezoning and subdividing the east side of Walnut would be sprawl since it would cut into a contiguous forest whereas the Forster-Gill project is a few hundred acres completely surrounded by development and zoned for residential subdivision. If you can’t see the difference you may be ideologically blinded.

  238. September 6, 2012 at 9:53 am

    wakey . . .wakey

  239. Scrappy
    September 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Uh…yeah. Thanks for the “interesting” video. It really made me “wake up.”

  240. September 6, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “If man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” Thoreau

  241. Anonymous
    September 6, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    If promoting weird right wing conspiracy videos is the result of hearing “a different drummer,” maybe you should try ear plugs. If not for your sake, then for ours.

  242. September 7, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Right wing, left wing. As human consciousness evolves, it is capable of holding greater complexity. A more advanced awareness can see the context in which certain polarities cannot see themselves because they lack perspective and because they are caught in a dance of opposites.

  243. Just Watchin
    September 7, 2012 at 5:12 am

    Anon……it may just be the result of having a keyboard in one hand, and a doobie in the other.

  244. September 7, 2012 at 9:20 am

    And your point is?

    The American dream . . . you’d have to be asleep to beLIEve it.

  245. September 7, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Forest Queen, you really made me laugh out loud, on this one ;)

    Here’s related, to your in-caps crossplay.

    Have you ever read ‘Slant’, by Greg Bear? It’s an interesting speculative near-future novel — and it plays one of its subtexts as interludes beginning most chapters, quoted out of a supposed contemporary book, ‘Alive Contains a Lie’, which is rather awake and of wit.

    Plain Jane, I’m intrigued by the balances in your views on the main subject here – interesting prospects.

    Basta and Scrappy, may you have all the rooms and dreams you require ;).

  246. September 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Narration, gives me heart pleasure to provide any one of us with laughter – the best medicine.

    No, I haven’t read ‘Slant,’ however, I’ll put it on my list.

    I too appreciate Plain Jane’s thought-provoking posts. Since I was banished to Humboldt 13 years ago I feel like I’m always trying to catch-up on all that my surroundings have to offer.

  247. Anonymous
    September 7, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Is there any chance that they’d rescind your banishment?

  248. September 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    @Anonymous,

    It became self-imposed – I consented to it. There’s always a choice.

    Holding onto anger will afford you the opportunity to exit this realm at a young age.

    IMHO – do not breed.

  249. textwrapper
    September 7, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    It’s all about you.

  250. Anonymous
    September 7, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    “the Forster-Gill project is a few hundred acres completely surrounded by development and zoned for residential subdivision. If you can’t see the difference you may be ideologically blinded.”
    (“Plain Jane”).

    Expert planners defined sprawl LONG ago in terms of unfunded infrastructure subsidies consumed by every home and car added 10 miles from downtown.

    “Ideological blindness”, is what it takes to repress your own lying eyes regarding the current condition of Cutten and the actual capacity of its roads, waste water, fresh water, and the impacts on Eureka.

    There’s more than enough evidence of increased impacts and capacity limitations to force them to expand the Elk River Waste Water Treatment facility. Legally forcing them to pay their way would set a wonderful precedence for our home-grown Greedheads.

  251. textwrapper
    September 8, 2012 at 10:07 am

    “Forcing them to pay their way” would indeed be an elegant solution, Anonymous.

  252. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Again, Forster-Gill volunteered to more than pay their own way, possibly one reason (of many) that the local “greedheads” are so opposed to it.

  253. Joel Mielke
    September 8, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Perhaps it would have set a “bad” precedent.

  254. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 11:53 am

    The amount that Foster-Gill “volunteered to pay” is not necessarily anywhere near the true cost of the infrastructure upgrades that would be required. The Grand Jury found that the DEIR was riddled with errors, both in terms of process, and content:

    http://humcpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Grand-JuryRidgewood1.pdf

    Many concerns have been identified by the Grand Jury, by the City of Eureka, and by other agencies, including the local fire districts. These problems include inadequate provisions for fire protection, massive traffic impacts (both on the already-congested county roads adjacent to the project and across the city line in Eureka) due to the 25,000 additional daily car trips that are anticipated from the project. And the underlying problem that the DEIR did not include any detailed analysis of impacts from phases 2-9 (the vast majority of the project).

    So, have these concerns been addressed, and if so, how? If not, it seems a bit premature to declare that Foster-Gill would “pay its own way.”

    By the way, in describing those who oppose the project as “greedheads,” are you including Linda Atkins and Larry Glass, who voted along with the rest of the Eureka City Council, to oppose the project?

  255. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    It shouldn’t be surprising that Glass and Atkins both opposed Forster-Gill since their sales taxes won’t go into the city coffers. ECC has a conflict of interest but no vote.

  256. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Do you think Forster-Gill should pay 100% of the upgrades required in spite of the fact that other developers (and small subdividers) need them as well, 11:53? I remember when we had to pay for the upgrades for sewer despite the fact that we had already paid for a septic system which worked just fine. The newly approved subdivisions couldn’t use septic systems due to lack of space so everyone had to pay for the sewer extension, hook-ups and fees.

  257. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    So here we have a developer who is proposing to build a massive suburban subdivision, including a shopping mall half the size of the Bayshore mall, which would drain sales tax revenues from the nearby city, pay no property tax to the city, while at the same time increasing city costs for street upgrades and maintenance for the streets leading from the city to the new development. And here I was thinking that “smart growth” was supposed to help cities, not screw them over.

  258. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Do any of you folks know what the current status of the Foster-Gill project is? I haven’t seen anything in the news about it lately.

  259. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Are you just stupid or dishonest 12:55? What part of “pay more than their share of infrastructure upgrades” don’t you get? This “massive subdivision” would be built in multiple phases as demand makes it feasible, not all at once. You exaggerate the size of the “mall” by counting the space for business offices and other non-retail use as part of a mall. The city of Eureka has no more right to sales tax from county residents than any other city in the county. What would you guesstimate is the total square footage of retail and business development in Cutten today which also doesn’t pay any sales or property tax to Eureka as the subdivisions increase without an extra dime more for infrastructure than mandatory? Whining about increased traffic while demanding that everyone drive miles to shop seems a bit contradictory, don’t you think?

  260. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “What part of “pay more than their share of infrastructure upgrades” don’t you get?”

    The part where you believe that’s true.

    “Whining about increased traffic while demanding that everyone drive miles to shop seems a bit contradictory, don’t you think?”

    It would, if I was. Since I wasn’t, it doesn’t.

    And, by the way, you might want to brush up on the concept of “two wrongs don’t make a right.” They don’t.

  261. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    It is my understanding that Forster-Gill is suing the county because they included proposed FG homes in their affordable housing numbers while denying them the permits to build them, or something like that. I don’t have time today to do the research to be 100% sure.

  262. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    “while at the same time increasing city costs for street upgrades and maintenance for the streets leading from the city to the new development” sounds like whining to me.

    My “belief” that Forster-Gill is willing to pay more than their share of the infrastructure upgrades is based on them telling the county and service district that they will. On what do you base your “belief” that they won’t?

  263. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    In other words, pointing out facts that you find inconvenient “sounds like whining” to you. Okay. And, by the way, I certainly wasn’t “demanding that everyone drive miles to shop.” To the contrary, the Foster-Gill project is estimated to produce a net increase of 25,000 additional car trips to and from that area every day.

    As far as believing that Foster-Gill would “more than pay their own way” (your words, above), yes, I am skeptical, based on the comments from the City of Eureka, the local Fire Marshall, and the Grand Jury. And you’re basing your lack of skepticism on….the developer’s say-so?

  264. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Forster-Gill’s lawsuit against the county deals with 16 multifamily housing units that they’re proposing to build on one particular 66 acre parcel, not the the overall “Ridgewood Village project. Their claim is that according to state affordable housing law, the county is required to give them permits for that without an EIR. The county’s position is that since those units are included as part of the overall Ridgewood Village project, which does require an EIR, the law does not allow the county to grant permits for that part of the project until the EIR for the overall project is completed. It sounds like a decision on that is due this month:

    http://www.times-standard.com/ci_21415786/housing-element-back-supes-agenda-today-county-action?source=most_viewed

  265. Plain Jane
    September 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Estimating how much traffic there will be 25 years in the future without knowing all the variables including price of gas, availability of mass transit, availability of at-home work, local shopping which would reduce trips, percentage of people who will be retired and only driving occasionally. They don’t estimate how many additional trips per day there will be if FG is denied, but local developers plans are approved, without the increased infrastructure funding or shopping without driving into Eureka. FG isn’t going to build more homes than they can sell / rent and all those people will be living somewhere, driving on city streets, using water, creating sewage and garbage. Pretending that if those homes aren’t built at FG the people will buy condos in a high rise in downtown Eureka is silly.

  266. Anonymous
    September 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    A major part of the appeal of clustered development is the idea that when people live closer together, with more opportunities for employment and services nearby, they will not need to drive as much. And when located within an existing city, where significant employment opportunities and services are located, that does make a lot of sense. More people have the opportunity to walk or bike to work, school, shopping, etc, and if they do need to drive or take a bus for a particular trip, at least they generally don’t have as far to go as they would if they were out in the suburbs.

    But when you locate your clustered development way out at the outer edge of the suburbs, the dynamics aren’t going to be quite the same. Since for the foreseeable future (and probably well beyond that), the vast majority of the new residents will still have to commute for employment, and for most other services, the hoped-for benefits of clustering that development together may be outweighed by the downside of attracting so many additional residents out to the outer edge of the auto-dependent suburbs in the first place.

    Meanwhile, nobody (other than your handy Straw Man) is arguing that if Foster-Gill isn’t built, everyone who might have lived there will instead “buy condos in a high rise in downtown Eureka.” But given the proposed project’s location out at the edge of the suburbs, many of those people will probably end up just as close, or closer, to jobs and services than they would have been at Forster-Gill.

  267. September 8, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    A “clustered development way out at the outer edge of the suburbs,” is what is known as a bedroom community.

  268. September 8, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    It’s also known as “sprawl.”
    When you have a cluster of clustered development, it’s called “Southern California.”

  269. Plain Jane
    September 9, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Since when is a pocket of undeveloped land surrounded for miles by houses “at the outer edge of suburbs” 6:56? It’s obvious you know nothing about the geography of Ridgewood / Campton / Lumbar Hills. Do you also oppose the rezoning and subdivision of the east side of Walnut or is your opposition only to a non-local developer competing?

  270. Anonymous
    September 9, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Take a look at Google Earth. It’s not “surrounded for miles by houses.” It’s (barely) “surrounded” by a thin ribbon of housing along Ridgewood Road, which, yes, is at the outer edge of the Eureka suburbs.

  271. Plain Jane
    September 9, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Just because you can’t see the houses for the trees doesn’t mean they aren’t there. There are many driveways to flag lots and even a long established residential road to the south and west (Eggert). To the west is Westgate, again covered by houses, to the east the subdivisions along Walnut,Home Drive, the Madsen and Bode subdivisions, to the north Lumbar Hills, to the northeast Campton Road and Cutten. There is little in the way of residential property left in Ridgewood without rezoning timberland and a lot of people who want to live there. This property is, IN FACT, surrounded by development and one of the few properties remaining that don’t need to be rezoned and converted from timber or agricultural land for the homes of people who want to live in Ridgewood. I find it strange that the CPR crowd is so anti-FG.

    I notice you didn’t respond to my question about rezoning and subdividing the east side of Walnut. Would that expose your bias?

  272. Anonymous
    September 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    “I notice you didn’t respond to my question about rezoning and subdividing the east side of Walnut. Would that expose your bias?”

    Well I have no property or financial interest in any development in Ridgewood, or anywhere else for that matter, so if that’s what you mean by “bias,” no. As far as your question about potential development east of Walnut, I would have to know the details. But if the upshot of your question is, do I, in general, support converting timberland into suburban sprawl, then the answer is “no.”

    At any rate, the fact remains that the Forster-Gill project would involve a large subdivision and shopping mall development being placed right out at the edge of the suburbs. If that site’s not the edge of the Eureka suburbs, what is? A couple of hundred feet across Ridgewood Road, I guess. If you want to hang your hat on that technicality, go ahead, I guess.

    Similarly, if you really want to define “infill” as everything encircled by Ridgewood Rd. and Elk River, again, you are free to do so. But you should be aware that this is not what most people would define as “infill.” Maybe we need a new word for this “cluster at the edge of the existing sprawl” type development. Perhaps could call it “Out-fill.” “Out” because it’s well outside the existing urban area, but “fill” because it’s (just barely) within the outer edge of the existing suburban sprawl.

  273. September 9, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    The Forster-Gill project would not have been infill as I understand it. Infill is vacant space in a developed area that already has paved roads, power, water, sewer, transportation, etc.

  274. 713
    September 9, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    “I find it strange that the CPR crowd is so anti-FG.”

    I find it equally strange the progressives support it.

  275. Plain Jane
    September 9, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Some progressives support it and some oppose it. We don’t have hive-mind.

  276. Jim White
    September 10, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Joel is correct about “infill”. Forster-Gill is sprawl added to sprawl with another satellite commercial development that will do little to alleviate Forster-Gill’s additional traffic on Walnut.

    If this project were offering to expand the Elk River Sewer Treatment Plant and the roads, commensurate with its impacts, there could be more buy-in from liberals who live out there. FG’s “generous” offer to drop chump-change on a sewer lift station that is required for that development, is a joke.

    Plop it on Sunny Brae, and watch the liberals who support it in Cutten cry foul!

    It’s all about a few million $ from the state, if H.Co. can meet its minimal affordable housing requirements that have been ignored for decades.

    Cutten is the perfect sacrificial lamb…unorganized and already slathered in developer’s greed.

  277. Anonymous
    September 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    “By the way, in describing those who oppose the project as “greedheads,” are you including Linda Atkins and Larry Glass, who voted along with the rest of the Eureka City Council, to oppose the project?”

    No, they oppose the unfunded liabilities our home grown greedheads have already built out there, and who are fighting tooth-and-nail today to continue building, (except for outsider Forster-Gill cutting into their public subsidized goldmine).

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