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Murder Music. Eureka. Again.


[Update: Promoter Beau deVito of Bonus Entertainment is changing the location to a club “to be announced.”  The show has NOT been cancelled.]

George Bailey III, aka Capleton, has been booked for  a performance the second week of October by the Red Fox Tavern in Eureka.

Capleton has been a target of “Stop Murder Music” activists for his lyrics, which call for the murder of lesbians and gays.  Based on past experience, anticipate that his management will lie regarding his historic and present behavior.  Those who host him are well aware of his real behavior but, if not anti-gay themselves, are ruled by greed.

More information about Capleton is here: http://my.firedoglake.com/heathen07/2012/05/02/who-is-capleton-and-what-is-he-doing-in-2012-2/

More information about murder music and Jamaica’s extraordinary hatred of gay people is here, http://www.guernicamag.com/features/greenberg_12_1_10 and here http://www.soulrebels.org/dancehall.htm

From the first link:

Anyone who opposes the promotion of hatred, violence and vigilante killing or lynching should be encouraged to speak out against Capleton and the other “kill LGBT” performers.

LGBT people and others who support equal rights and fair treatment of LGBT people are often accused of “censorship” when we speak out against “kill LGBT” performers such as Capleton. But it is Capleton and the other murder music artistes who are trying to censor LGBT people. LGBT people are actually killed in Jamaica and once you are dead, you no longer have any “freedom of speech.” Killing someone or threatening to kill someone is the ultimate censorship. It is very effective censorship in Jamaica and the Caribbean, where an LGBT person clearly risks their life if they speak out.

  1. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 8:52 am

    There has been at least one killing in that bar already.

  2. Eric Kirk
    September 18, 2012 at 9:10 am

    How many times do we have to go through this?

    And why is this guy never invited to Humboldt County?

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/mistamajahp

  3. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    -while ignoring the larger more essential stories of the day Mitch chooses to focus on small impact items for his reportage in order to promote a highly personal agenda.

  4. Mitch
    September 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Good heavens! Not a highly personal agenda!

  5. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Don’t anyone read what Mitch has written above without reading the linked material. That first link ought to be enough for anyone with an conscience to realize we are talking about Capleton’s incitement to murder of the LGBT community. We are real people, folks. We live and work here. You know us. Why would anyone want to attend a performance by this H8r?

  6. Plain Jane
    September 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    I’m starting to agree that the Herald is going down, but not because of the subject matter of of the threads. Trolls who don’t like the subjects of the threads are free to go elsewhere or GASP! start their own blog so they can choose the subject matter. The sort of people who think opposing gay murder music is a “personal agenda” are too self-absorbed to feel any empathy or are a few fries short of a happy meal.

  7. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    -thanx 4 th reply Jane, have a good day.

  8. Plain Jane
    September 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    GFY Psycho!

  9. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    -don’t be so personal, sheeeesh.

  10. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    -btw, using initials in place of swear words is known to be a coy expression of the histrionic personality disorder.

  11. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    The Red Fox promotes Gangster Rap and Midget Wrestling as well. Classy!

  12. Mitch
    September 18, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    fyi sbb, pj’s aok. bff?

    Anyone who is actually concerned about the quality of the Herald is more than welcome to send tips to Heraldo.

    It’s true that some of the new staff members are not nearly as politically connected as the main management, and I’m embarrassed to report that one staffer has been caught reading the internet when he was supposed to be gathering suitable scoops about things like the censored childhood cancer epidemic, the GPU follies, etc… He’s been reprimanded, but shows a terrible attitude. We’re trying to figure out what to do with him.

  13. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    pbjs ok tho

  14. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    – koo deh, bredhah Mitch nuh ha nuttin bux wi de mout ah massy eeh. Wah eem teenk eem ah guhn duh?

  15. Ponder z
    September 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    I just dont get you progs. The Prez is of color and you love him. This man of color is attacked for his free speech. Let him be. He is just trying to make a living. You dont have to attend the show.

  16. Plain Jane
    September 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    There is so much PonderZZZZZZZ doesn’t get. But maybe he’ll wake up to the clarion call when the “War on Christmas” BS starts up again. “We must bankrupt those commies who insist on saying ‘Happy Holidays’ to avoid insulting non Christians who have important holidays in December!” That’s a much more important issue than homophobes advocating killing gays.

  17. What Now
    September 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    I wholeheartedly agree with PJ’s posts (#’s 6 & 8) as well as Anon @ # 5.
    Post # 15 is particularly relevent in support of some who contend that evolution is a two way street.
    Thanks for the post, Mitch. I believe that calls to murder thos with differneces as well as thos who contend that countering accomodations for such people are really our socities equivalent of the Taliban.
    “Person of color”?
    Whites are born pink, burn brown and red in the sun and turn gray and OTHERS are persons of color?
    Eugenic bullshit.

  18. September 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    PonderZ points out an important similarity between our President and a bigoted musician: they’re both “men of color.”

  19. Anonymous
    September 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Joel:

    I hope you are working on a follow-up piece to the one you did the last time Capleton visited the Red Fox. That was great!

  20. suzy blah blah
    September 18, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    @What Now, to clarify –suzy’s not claiming that Mitch doesn’t have the right to his subjective viewpoints and the right to promote his thing. Even if it is a misconstruction of the possibility for manifesting a more integral and positively directed use of the energy in concert with achieving an economical and practical base for the whole community’s benefit right now at large, suzy stands in solidarity with his right to do whatever he wants to do insofar as directing his excess attention as long as it doesn’t inflict emotional or physical damage on anyone or promote violent activity.

  21. Felix
    September 19, 2012 at 3:45 am

    “to clarify”? Wtf (this thread is so tangential) and this is supposed to help? This, is one sentence? “Even if it is a misconstruction of the possibility for manifesting a more integral and positively directed use of the energy in concert with achieving an economical and practical base for the whole community’s benefit right now at large, suzy stands in solidarity with his right to do whatever he wants to do insofar as directing his excess attention as long as it doesn’t inflict emotional or physical damage on anyone or promote violent activity.”

    You can usually tell who’s arguing what here and who the trolls are, but not this time “Eugenic bullshit”? “highly personal agenda”?

    I did like “a few fries short of a happy meal” though. That we still hire ‘murder’ musicians goes to show anything for a buck and queers (and non-whites and the poor, for that matter) are still fair game all over the world. That’s ‘highly personal’ to a lot of people.

    And, oh yeah – incitements to violence are not “free speech”.

    Really a shame we can’t expose our kids to the righteous musicians in this genre – they do exist.

    Eric K. and I demonstrated at the Buju Banton concert in So Hum., but I’m not gonna commute when there’s a college right there – let’s see if more kids turn out to attend or object? Whad’dya think?

  22. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 9:43 am

    -this was once a reputable blog which i turned to for valuable information. But of late since, Mitch has been allowed the reigns, it’s taken a sharp turn downward. Plunging into cuteness and self-promotion. Indulging in eye-catching headlines and shoddy articles instead of facing the more pressing issues that are on everybody’s mind in this very crucial time. He turns his back on intelligent comments and responsible actions in order to obscure any objective look at reality and prop up his own prejudices. So what do we find when we come here, instead of articles on the pressing news which impacts our very lives, we get non-essential studies and private agenda items with an emphasis on sensationalist journalism full of sex, drugs, and violence. Mitch does know how to attract the ignorant masses and lower the bar for them. This cheap form of journalism welcomes mean people like Jane to jump on board making false accusations, slinging insults, telling lies, etc. without any reprimand for her immoralities whatsoever. Felix, sorry for the typo but all you need to do is remove the phrase, “as long as”, which i neglected to edit out and the paragraph which you can’t seem to comprehend makes perfect sense. Then perhaps you can reply civilly and intelligently instead of joining Jane in throwing insults at concepts that are beyond her comprehension. Which btw are water on a duck’s back to suzy. LOL! Kids are smarter today than to let you old uptight puritans stop our fun.

    And puleeeeeze, let’s not have any more of this whining about “we have the right”. Sure, you have the right to go out and hang yourself by one foot from the balcony too, if that’s what you like to do, suzy won’t interfere.

  23. alley
    September 19, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Suzy, I continue to wonder why you refer to yourself in the third person… (what’s up with that?) Perhaps H8 is in your agenda. If so, please spew it elsewhere. Many of us enjoy this blog, as well as having Mitch and Erik post here.

  24. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 11:58 am

    -i can assure you, alley, there’s no “H8” in my “agenda”. You sound like another uptight a-hole who can’t stand it when anyone uses a language form that doesn’t conform to your narrow expectations of outdated linguistic correctness. No, suzy just happens to be an honest person who believes in love for my fellow man/wombman and expresses myself humbly putting the group’s needs ahead of my own personal desires and proclivities. In other words, suzy diminishes her own importance by referring to myself in the third person in order to emphasize the group’s. I am only here because suzy has a deep and sincere concern about the rapid decline and arrogant exploitation of what once was a valid resource. Is that too much for you?

  25. Felix
    September 19, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @ S blah blah: Typo? That was an incomprehensible run on sentence. Obviously I disagree with your assessment of Mitch or Eric’s posts – we who reply and dicker are pretty stupid sometimes though (and I am not referring to you particularly, you’re rarely totally incomprehensible). But “kids are smarter today than to let you old uptight puritans stop our fun”. No we wouldn’t want to do that – we like the violence. It’s fun! We want to see another person kicked to death behind the Post Office by kids(Redway).

    If ‘normal’ is whatever behavior one sees around them, reads in the news or watches on TV and movies every goddamned day – our society is working very hard to make violence the norm. You who object to my ‘puritanism’……would probably think refusing to hire musicians like Capelton censorship. You trivialize the effect of constant exposure to violence, if you do.

    The only sad/funny part of this is that if Capelton’s vocals are as difficult to understand as Banton’s were, almost no one would even know what their vile songs were about, if we didn’t bring it up. The kids just like the beat. But it is a failing of the clubs when they hire guys with international boycotts and protests of this nature. They should be aware and respect such. They could hire others and promote peace and positive change.

    And: “Then perhaps you can reply civilly and intelligently instead of joining Jane in throwing insults at concepts that are beyond her comprehension.” As has been said here before – pot, kettle, black.

  26. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    -it’s a drag Felix that someone as xenophobic as yourself, and who can’t comprehend things that are clearly stated, tries to inflict stodgy rules on suzy’s inventive use of language because it’s beyond your level of sophistication and understanding, or more precisely –because you don’t have the breadth of mind to put complex ideas together. Run on? sheeesh, go back to grammar school if you can’t understand any linguistic expressions more cultivated than dick sees jane (no pun intended) style commentary. You condemn all young people because of one incident that happened years ago that you can’t get over? That’s all you got? It makes about as much sense as blaming all Italians for the saint valentines day massacre. Who’s incomprehensible? LOL! Better clean out your ears dude, or better yet your mind, it’s full of pre-conceived bias’s that obscure clear thinking.

  27. Anonymous
    September 19, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    I understand the impulse to do again what was done so well last time around.

    Even so, I hope we don’t put together a protest or a media shit storm this time that would provide publicity for Capleton and Red Fox, hence putting money into their pockets and providing opportunities for the true h8rs to divide our otherwise quite LGBTQ-friendly community.

  28. Mitch
  29. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    -Mitch, you just had to use God and guilt to try and support your dogma, didn’t you.

  30. Felix
    September 19, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Blah blah blah – unworthy of reply.

  31. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    -same thing the puritans said to the Indians.

  32. Plain Jane
    September 19, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Felix, Suzy is so “special” that she is excempt from all rules, spelling, grammar, and social. When she takes someone else’s personal property, it isn’t stealing because she wanted it and they didn’t deserve it. The Golden Rule is an anachronism. In short, she’s an openly whacked out sociopath without any moral compass. If it’s good for her, that’s all that matters. She defends homophobes advocating the murder of gays and calls you a xenophobe. Trying to have an honest discussion with someone so delusional is futile. If we ignore her, she might go away.

  33. What Now
    September 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    PJ, if only it were so.
    “It” seems more like a flesh eating bacteria than a human being;
    hyper-resistant to all known treatments.

  34. Felix
    September 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    LOL – thanks guys. A xenophobe cause I don’t likemurder, a writing style and/or attitude? Hilarious! I even sometimes use the pseudonym ‘xenopheliax’ in fact (as my legal name is Ophelia). Blah blah must be psychic too!

    One doesn’t need to refer to God- it’s been said in other ways, like: (paraphrase from memory here, maybe not exact) ‘All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing………..’

  35. Mitch
    September 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

    –Dietrich Bonhoeffer

    Bonhoeffer’s quote has a poetic majesty that this atheist can appreciate. The God he refers to is familiar to us all, atheist or theist. Though we can remain uninvolved, we cannot hide behind that non-involvement. “It’s all good” is not all good. It’s not all good.

  36. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    she is excempt from all rules, spelling …

    -LOL!

    a flesh eating bacteria

    -thank the Lord for penicillin. They have keyboardacillian too. It’s called permanent moderation. Or —censorship.

    A xenophobe cause I don’t likemurder

    No dude, it’s because you mock Jamaican patios. Are you an Amos and Andy fan too?

    The God he refers to is familiar to us all

    -the “all” he refers to means all of those who are chosen by Mitch’s personal judgment.

    All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

    -the “good” men refers only the dudes that are approved of by Felix. If you don’t fit the prototype than, sorry the door of their “heaven” is closed –you bad bad psycho girl you, LOL!. You guys with your fake morals and conditional acceptance are no different than the Christian church or Scientology. Do you have secret handshakes too?

  37. Felix
    September 19, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    I have no problem with Jamaican patios! It’s patois, fool. And it was YOU who opened this thread mocking it too. You may have been trying to mock Mitch – but you did nothing but prove you’re an idiot.

  38. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    Capelton’s vocals are as difficult to understand as Banton’s were, almost no one would even know what their vile songs were about, if we didn’t bring it up.

    -the almighty Felix thinks she needs to explain everything to everyone because we’re all too stupid to understand what only she and a chosen few progressive priests are privy to. And of course then apply her own twisted kind of sadistic discipline to anyone who colors outside the lines. I mean if she gets that shook up, calling suzy an incomprehensible fool for two little typos, well you can imagine where she goes to on something she considers a serious transaction. Yep, there are even worse things “out there” than run on sentences Felix. Sigh, but there’s really no getting through to the hard core type of xenophobic racists who want everyone to speak English or else go back to where you came from. Probably gets her kicks laughing at Black and Mexican dialectal inflections too.

  39. September 19, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    This is fuckin’ ridiculous, that anyone who acts as if they are a thinking, caring, conscious person would stick up for someone who promotes hate, violence and murder of queer people. What is your problem, “third person” suzy? Xenophobic racists? Paleeeze. If someone is encouraging people to kill other people because of their identity, that is a big problem. Suzy really makes disgusting arguments here, somehow believing or pretending to be on the side of equality or dignity for all- except gay people. Understanding institutional and personal bigotry, it appears that Suzy is on board with discriminating against queer folks (whatever color they are), and commenters should get back to how we’re gonna keep Castleton AGAIN from performing here. Suzy, through her words, does a disservice to the realities of racism and xenophobia. And somehow thinks bigotry is one person’s personal agenda. Fucking absurd and obscene. And if my profanity offends you, it is only to point out TRUE obscenities.

  40. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    -Verbana, suzy hopes that i and i can come to a peaceful solution to this issue. i am a very humble and peaceful person who strongly believes in the group ethic. That’s why i always put the group’s needs above suzy’s own and thus sometimes have the need to express myself via the third person, out of modesty. i hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me if this omehow offends you. i also have taken action in de-capitalizing my name, “suzy”, and the pronoun “I” = “i” to de-emphasize the ego. If you take the time to read some of my more poignantly beautiful posts you will get to understand the kind of loving, kind, aware, compassionate, and considerate person i am. And let me assure you, suzy intends only for the group’s thriving to be accomplished, even if it means making a sacrifice myself. In other words, no matter what you may have conjectured, i can also assure you that i am not a fool who runs around on an ego trip wasting my energy trying to “change the world”, LOL! i intend only to simply lay my life down in sacrifice and service for the benefit of all. My motto is, i am at your service, how can suzy help? And, once and for all, please try and get it straight, ok? —suzy is NOT in defense of any kind of murder, hatred, or violence!!! Sheeeesh, that’s just nuts, i don’t know where you got that, you’re beginning to sound almost as hysterical as Jane.

  41. Thirdeye
    September 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Anonymous :
    I understand the impulse to do again what was done so well last time around.
    Even so, I hope we don’t put together a protest or a media shit storm this time that would provide publicity for Capleton and Red Fox, hence putting money into their pockets and providing opportunities for the true h8rs to divide our otherwise quite LGBTQ-friendly community.

    Bingo. There are better things to worry about than some ignorant, hateful, backwards fool playing crappy music in front of a bunch of stupid white rasta-posers who are too fucked up to comprehend the lyrics. If a bunch of stinky hippies go out queer bashing afterwards, I will stand corrected.

  42. Thirdeye
    September 19, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    suzy blah blah :
    If you take the time to read some of my more poignantly beautiful posts you will get to understand the kind of loving, kind, aware, compassionate, and considerate person i am.

    In whose opinion?

  43. suzy blah blah
    September 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    a-whoooa, slow down third eye, what’s the rush? Anything worthwhile takes time. suzy believes that you have an interesting name, that’s a good beginning place. Now the real journey begins, and i hope you will search deep within yourself at this time and try to find the patience required to respectfully and naturally expose yourself to some of the episodic delineations.

  44. Felix
    September 20, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Blah blah, I have little patience for anything but art. If you want to help the world. And are not “a fool who runs around on an ego trip wasting my energy trying to “change the world”, but are willing ” to simply lay my life down in sacrifice and service for the benefit of all” – may I suggest you find yourself a busy highway and do us all a favor?

  45. Felix
    September 20, 2012 at 1:43 am

    @ Third eye – I agree re. “There are better things to worry about than some ignorant, hateful, backwards fool playing crappy music in front of a bunch of stupid white rasta-posers who are too fucked up to comprehend the lyrics. If a bunch of stinky hippies go out queer bashing afterwards, I will stand corrected.”

    It doesn’t have to be the same night, to be ‘afterwards’. Unfortunately, I disagree as to the depth of “our otherwise quite LGBTQ-friendly community.” (that was from another poster). As a long time resident queer I’d say it’s a very very shallow acceptance that’s passing for “very friendly”.

    By making a scene/ or demo we will only create publicity (which is why I agree with your statement). But NO ONE ever need go to the Red Fox again and we should let them know it and why. Even if it’s someone you want to see – boycott.

    Now, y’all better do as I say or I’ll excommunicate you!

  46. suzy blah blah
    September 20, 2012 at 4:37 am

    -ironic that our sweet little Felix, who promotes the manifestation of horrible violence, like for instance suzy laying myself down on a busy highway (i’ll spare everyone any description of the gruesome bloody visual and bone crushing audio that she licks her lips sadistically imagining) at the same time protests a musician for his violent lyrics. It’s easy to see the contradiction. And then, again ironically, she says suzy is the one who is a violent psycho. LOL! Poor darling is so confused and lost in such an unaware pattern of responses and projections that i don’t really think any logical critical thinking or earnest appeal to her buried emotions can reach Ms F at this stage of her hysteria.

    She doesn’t have patience with suzy’s writings, which is understandable considering the level sophistication she’s at, but she claims to have patience at least with art, so maybe this image of awesome rasta colors and psychodelic patterns, that i found, if she is willing to spend time on it, and really go into it, patiently, will chill her out enough so that she can begin to see the many many many repetitious patterns in the seemingly (to her) closed cycle of violent upheavals in her life. In this example the violence is kept abstractly ambiguous and graphically metaphorical to spare the innocent. Then, with extended attention and intensified focus she will start to notice that the patterns although vibrating wildly still remain the same. This is a hint. And as long as she keeps projecting her conscious awareness onto the art picture and keeps her attention and awareness on its vibration, then, with even more patience, going deeper and deeper, she may be able to move on to the centering work, the spiritual balancing, etc. For this she’ll have to switch to some more advanced mandellas. And if she really has patience for art, like she says she does, and rides this out, practicing for weeks, not letting the hope get sucked from her, she will experience a tantric turning of direction in her life which breaks the repetitious patterning and redirects her energy so as to inspire her to be willing to sacrifice for the consciousness field itSelf –which is humanity. As above so below.

  47. Mitch
    September 20, 2012 at 7:20 am

    suzy always leaves me guessing.

    If “she’s” a sophomoric prank, she’s really very well done.

    If she’s an actual person expressing her actual belief system, she’s very special, very, very special.

  48. Felix
    September 20, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Well unfortunately, around here it’s much easier to believe she’s just a horribly aggravating and verbose troll.

    Chose her name appropriately enough though: Blah blah:

    1.) A stand-in all-purpose term for BORING DETAILS in a story.

    2.) A (mumbled) substitution for some bit of information as a DODGE or a FAKE-OUT or as if the proper answer were too burdensome to speak. Used to avoid answering; or, as in “WHATYAMACALLIT” or “WHOSIT”.

    3.) An all-purpose REPLACEMENT for any WORD or NAME or such that is tacitly understood by those communicating. It is used to avoid actually having to say the “thing” that might not be cool for others to hear or know about i.e., in telephone conversations of a sensitive nature, in uncomfortably crowded places like elevator or subway.

    Or a small community where if ya didn’t use a pseudonym you’d maybe have to answer for your words…….

    And Suzy, where’s your sense of humor? You were the one who claimed to be willing to lay down in sacrifice and service. I could have stuck closer to the topic of the thread and suggested you wash your face with acid (and I don’t mean the LSD it seems likely you already bathe in).

    Good morning! I’m leaving town for a few. Bye bye blah blah……….

  49. alley
    September 20, 2012 at 11:35 am

    suzy said: ” i intend only to simply lay my life down in sacrifice and service for the benefit of all. My motto is, i am at your service, how can suzy help?” Sounds to me like suzy has been reading Mr. Vonnegut’s “God bless you, Mr. Rosewater.” Of course Mr. Rosewater used pronouns when speaking, so of course he is not as humble as suzy is… At least suzy has good taste in literature… Oh, and Jane had a good idea: Please start your own blog, suzy.

  50. Not A Native
    September 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    FWIW, the current “suzy” isn’t the original suzy. (s)he agreeably took the name and imitated the style. Original suzy’s blog style was kookier with more phonetic misspelling and alliteration, and the opinions were edgier and often more caustic. I’ve wondered why the current suzy didn’t create a new personna. Doesn’t really matter though, just historical

  51. suzy blah blah
    September 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    NAN’s about as dependable for getting the facts straight as Fox News.

    Thanks alley, i don’t remember ever reading it but i’ll check the book. i like some of his others. Specially the one he illustrated himself. But the quote you’re referencing is a stab at parodying Ram Dass. But come to think of it, maybe that’s what Kurt V was doing too.

    -okay Felix, i’ll consider your suggestions. But please don’t send me any others. This material is enough duck water on suzy’s back for the time being –i’m busy trying to make the correct choice of a new name. One that’ll be a better description of, ah, youknowhatimean. “suzy whosit” is the front runner. Has a nice twice removed alliteration and rhythmic cadence. However it doesn’t have the visual symmetry that sbb has with its equally four lettered words.
    suzy fakeout is pretty good.
    suzy whatchamacallit is too hard to spell.
    suzy dodge, hmmm. i’m sure glad i didn’t marry that dude with the big truck.
    suzy replacement, that’s a good one for somebody else to use.
    suzy bye bye … no, that’ll never happen.
    suzy stolenshoes? — that would be a lie.
    suzy borrower? Doesn’t have any punk to it.
    suzy golden? suzy rules?
    How about Plain Suzy? That one has creative possibilities.
    suzy fourth eye? suzy highway? suzy acidface. suzy verb-a-noun …
    Actually i kinda like the sound of Ophelia Blahblah. It sounds totally awesome if you say it in a Donald Duck voice. It rhymes. And it honors my parents, Wm Shakesmoker and Aincha Greecy. And the other one, whom suzy suspects is the real father, and is the one who mom won’t admit to having had anything to do with –Blahski. Or his best friend, Bo Ring.

    But back to you, alley. If i get a blog of my own own what shall i call it? Flatulent Parlance? Mr. Rosewater’s blog? Mr. Rose . . . ah hey, i think suzy’s got it. I’m gonna name the blog “MitchWatch”! And i’ll call myself, “suzy soph more.” i’m really excited. There’ll be pictures and everything. Thanks alley.

  52. Anonymous
    September 20, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Not A Native :
    FWIW, the current “suzy” isn’t the original suzy. (s)he agreeably took the name and imitated the style. Original suzy’s blog style was kookier with more phonetic misspelling and alliteration, and the opinions were edgier and often more caustic. I’ve wondered why the current suzy didn’t create a new personna. Doesn’t really matter though, just historical

    I wonder why the current Not A Native didn’t create a new personna. The current NAN is obviously not the same NAN that posted before his hiatus (death?). NAN came here from a far superior place to snear at the stupid locals. Granted, some of his put downs were warranted, especially those related to Eureka politics. Most were reflections of his own insecurities and failures.

  53. September 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    suzy, don’t let things said get at you. Usually cool Jane was I am afraid way out of line with her personality disorder statement — it made me think of the biblical injunction about millstones and such, which I have it on good authority that priests among others take quite seriously.

    I would consider nothing of this sort seriously, and realize that everyone has a little of everything that can come up unwisely as a label. That is what a good confident of the professional variety would say, as part of being a friend to a person, which a good one always is.

    I’d also give it a pass until a name or blog title really might come to you quietly, as something you’d like. A weblog itself? Maybe? On the same basis?

    Re: things that have come up on other topics.

    I found and read the shoe chronicles, in the places where they are. I watched both parts of the Salvador Dali interview, which was very interesting, more than a little charming in its way, and also a compressed reminder of what a number of things were like back in its time. As was the Kerouac one, which spoke more eloquently than the oft-repeated words glued onto one page of a book he read from, and framed what I may have learned from the first chapters of his Satori. I’ll wait to read the rest of that in the library at UCSD when next up there.

    I’ve had some pretty intricate thoughts about all of this, and not least how much there are real pearls, not of ‘wisdom’ necessarily, but of real persons and life, in these related Humboldt conversations.

    I wish if anything that all you participating could appreciate this well enough to lay off the fury that also seems to rise, in pattern and still too often, though it’s calmed more than a little in the ten years or so I’ve tuned in from time to time.

    Yes, other persons are different, each one. That’s the beauty I find in the conversation, the unusual one here which is not glossed over with habits of people who really do live too close together, and have developed chitinous habits never to speak so at all.

    The conversation is a resource, in my feeling, then; and so each participant to be listened to, and in their parts appropriately understood as well as can be; in this and also in solidarity respected. Solidarity is quite different from any thought that you have to agree.

    It’s one of those things that takes imagination, probably, to see the smile in the eyes across the room, and forming part of the gentling of the retort, when another has said something a bit outrageous, but also in that human solidarity manner quite understandable.

    I can’t and couldn’t put any of this in support of a rash of chanted threat music, to nod towards moment’s topic, except in some intuition that comes through that in much of it at least, we are hearing a voice striving to overcome a lack of respect that the chanter has felt themselves. How to break the chain, there’s the question, just as in the domestic and child-raising equivalent.

    As smart as people are who write to each other here, and given backgrounds evident, there would be some special ability to pause and let the chain go, feel the relief, then express so: each time.

    My imagination of it for one afternoon, at least. One of those smiles across the room, to each. Maybe it is Joni Mitchell’s waiting room, but where the wait is less, the possibilities closer.

    Ok, I am reading a book build thoughtfully around some near future Los Angeles so far, as well.

  54. suzy blah blah
    September 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    -smile across room = red flag. Next thing you know he’ll be staring down your blouse. But maybe that’s what you like.

  55. September 20, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    now now ;)

    And I didn’t say I wasn’t human, either ;)

    If you want to see quizzical smiles, you could have been in the room while another was reading the shoes story. I admit to appreciating quite a bit of that, not least the facile flowing with words that’s in someone’s basket of talents. As ever, perfections not required.

  56. Anonymous
    September 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    In the meantime, you guys, Capleton and the Red Fox Tavern are still planning to put money into their pockets by associating themselves with the burnings, stabbings, shootings, torture and murder of innocent gay, lesbian, trans, and bi people. So wtf is all this nonsensical bickering about? Get back on track or get the H out of here! Find a way to help the Queer Community or STFU.

  57. September 21, 2012 at 2:00 am

    Fair enough. Here’s a thought after some looking a little earlier.

    I find that Capleton was cancelled five years ago from a concert where I had been living: http://another-green-world.blogspot.com/2008/11/capleton-concert-cancelled-in-basel.html

    I know the venue well, an alternative/artist place, actually an ancient Rhine defense barracks. The Swiss are big on trustworthiness, and they felt he was not abiding by his Reggae Compassionate Act pledge, specifically on the same issue you are concerned about.

    In the Wikipedia summary about Capleton/King Shango himself, it says he his lyrics should be interpreted to be about purification rather than violence.

    A complicated picture surrounds this, from the thrust of Rastafarian music at his time of his beginnings in it to the problems that often enough occur around attempts at purity, as well as those of a musician in later life trying to keep his gig going (and support a family?) according to what he believes his audience still wants to here.

    Surely any of us who have performed have done songs we would be otherwise not have for just such reasons.

    What occurs to me is to ask his audience.

    Basel is a university town among other things, as one might say about the Humboldt Bay area, and it would be students and alternatives-orientated others who would want to see such an act there. I’m trying to imagine who besides students and such would be interested enough to come to a tavern gig in Eureka of this kind.

    Would the students or any other sizable audience, including the mj community, really want to come to hear and be involved in anti-rainbow language, compared to their desire for the peace-seeking sense of a Rastafarian evening?

    The question opens some possibilities.

    1. If you really believe this person is a problem, you could get the message out. This is the old politics, but as at Basel, perhaps it would work, and it would be straightforward to say what you think.

    2. What, though, if the door was opened that in this gig, at least, it could be clearly known that his audience was coming to experience his Rastafarian roots music and atmospheres, and he could be free to play a show without the parts which could be interpreted as violence which would disturb this respect?

    For 2) some variation on 1) could be used to present a picture to the tavern and the venue manager group mentioned on their calendar, and thus presumably to the performers, how the community feelings ran, and what kind of a show would be welcome and receive a profitable audience showing.

    In this case, you would ask potential attendees to show their preferences. Perhaps even a simple to set-up web survey could take some of the load of this, with campus/man-on-the-streets interviews to give flavor. Having both kinds of information would probably be the most effective, and would in any case be a soft way to get the question generally opened.

    If you like to call it that, it would be a ‘contemporary social’ approach, actually so. For a performing artist, and others involved with him, an opportunity.

    It doesn’t seem there would be any lack of ability for ‘getting down’ (I know, hopelessly out of date) in such a performance, and likely better so without discomforting questions in the surround.

    Probably, that’s what most everyone actually wants, isn’t it?

  58. September 21, 2012 at 6:32 am

    Wow, this seems to have gone off the tracks a bit.

  59. Mitch
    September 21, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Narration,

    I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this issue, but I think you lack some historical background. The Red Fox Tavern, as well as the promoter, Bonus Entertainment, is well aware of the history, both local and worldwide. They hide behind “freedom of speech” to defend profiting by giving a bigot a platform, and they don’t hesitate to complain that anyone who calls for protest of their behavior is “anti-freedom-of-speech.” They are loathsome, but I don’t know what can be done about them other than making sure people are aware of their behavior so they can act in an informed manner.

    I hope you and others take a moment to read the link to Guernica magazine in the main post. If nothing else, the dancehall artists hatred of gay people is sincere; the promoters and venues love gay people — what-EH-vah — but love money more. They are excellent liars, and get away with a defense of “ignorance” over and over.

  60. September 21, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Where are all of the trustafarians who were defending rasta bigots the last time we had this discussion? They’re f’kin hilarious.

  61. Plain Jane
    September 21, 2012 at 8:03 am

    If my characterization of anyone was “out of line,” I apologize. However, my opinion of people who project their own obvious biases onto others, justify murder music because it financially benefits a segment of a community, blatantly lie about what they said and did previously, rant about how they are so humble that they talk about themselves in the 3rd person while bragging about how intelligent and superior they are is that they aren’t worth wasting time on. I found it odd that Narration had not one word of criticism for the person who started the attacks, called people liars who weren’t lying, xenophobes and racists for opposing murder music, etc.

    While I enjoy reading your posts, Narration, your lack of objectivity on this thread makes me suspect you are thinking with your little brain. Your hot / crazy graph may need adjustment.

  62. September 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm

  63. September 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Hi Jane. I’ve read you often enough over the years to be confident of your intents, and quite often appreciative or otherwise enjoying of them. Things were a little heated around what was commented upon, and I feel, as my Norwegian business partner used to say quite wisely, that you “wrote out of your anger that time”. It can happen to any of us, but this time it hurt, as it was intended to, and as suzy’s choice of words accurately identified, and so a sense of fairness wanted me to stand with another. That’s all.

    As far as objectivity, well, Yogi Berra might have said that was a sort of subjective matter. Although by this time in life I would have to admit to having appeared to work under other labels, I am at heart a story person by nature, and always have been. There is that of suzy’s person showing through a story that I have sympathy with, and appropriate interest to understand. Following that trail, I have the sense there is consistently substance behind the outrageousness, and whether or not I happen to agree in any degree with an instance of it. She got under your skin, but I think that has not been any central intention. What she endeavors to express and defend is indeed present in those period artists she proposes, and is also an interesting part of the American dream persona in my opinion. Methods, and whether and where to act out over them, rather than simply to live and make the art, come into the performer’s own judgement of whether s/he is wasting the time. I noticed others commented that whatever the truth of a case may have been, they enjoyed how she told some stories, something I think we can respect.

    Ok, getting wound up there, as thoughts of something else are intruding, but maybe not off the harmonic key of it. Best for your week-end, Jane, and I hope the second-summer weather down here means Humboldt will also be quite pleasant.

  64. Plain Jane
    September 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    My suggestion for her blog would be Sidelong Glances of a Navel Gazer.

  65. September 21, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    She’s probably grinning also ;)

  66. September 21, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Hi Mitch – had to fish around to find your note that I wanted to reply to was right here.

    I appreciate all you say, and I will read the attachments. Late last night, unable to sleep until I posted it, I was actually trying to imagine a design where what the pub owners intended, etc., would not be so much of an influence on the effectiveness of an intervention.

    I think it’s often very hard to discern just what persons intend, to the extent of being successful in arguing it anyway, because this is often quite a nuanced, layered, and not ever fully intentional sort of matter. Especially in America and when ‘business’ is involved. So if we could work around that.

    Frankly, what the performer intends seemed to me to be wrapped up in much the same sort of nebulosity, and hence possibility.

    That led to the idea of constructing something the act and stage could reply to, not about what they ‘think’, but about what an informed audience asks them to do.

    In short, I bet a straightforward Rasta evening as it generally seems to be understood here, would be the best interpretation and experience to offer out of ‘purities’, and that it might be possible to get that out on the table for the performers to enjoy responding to, sans what could be questionable.

    If they had any idea of the way more questionable notions can get worked at here on the weblogs, I’m kind of feeling they would jump on it ;)

    Here’s an article that just turned up unexpectedly, which talks about other things contemporarily Jamaican, while seeming quite related. This time it’s about return of another historic figure, but will let you read it and see what you think. There seemed many links between what’s being sought and the roots I could read about Rastafarianism; and also to contexts and causes. Might it also open some thinking, maybe, on how to approach this cultural visitation here? Diplomacy being a bit of a mysterious art, towards getting what you actually would like to have.

    http://news.yahoo.com/jamaica-introduces-garveyism-classrooms-172134723.html?_esi=1

  67. Anonymous
    September 21, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Wow… For the record. there has NOT been a killing at The Red Fox! WOW!!!

  68. September 21, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I found and read the shoe chronicles, in the places where they are. I watched both parts of the Salvador Dali interview, which was very interesting, more than a little charming in its way, and also a compressed reminder of what a number of things were like back in its time. As was the Kerouac one, which spoke more eloquently than the oft-repeated words glued onto one page of a book he read from, and framed what I may have learned from the first chapters of his Satori. I’ll wait to read the rest of that in the library at UCSD when next up there.

    -i’m not sure you found all the of chronicles, Naration, as there are several episodes that are spaced out in time over months, if not years. Some of the story is on this blog’s archives and some on Sohum Parlance’s. Suzy was a bit concerned about this random placement of the material and that it may be causing some confusion in the readers comprehension, but a long time adviser and mentor of mine assured me that it only, “adds to the extraordinary patchwork of imagery and delightful non-linear right brain expression that has become suzy’s trademark ” (her words, not mine).

    And so i’m glad that you took the time to watch the Dali video at the link. I was hoping folks would find the second part as well, like you did! but being low keyed, a little shy i’m afraid, i didn’t want to make a nuisance of myself by adding the link to part two. Suzy told myself that part one would have to sufficient, and so i just took it on a synchronicity awareness level that those who were meant to see it would, and those that weren’t operating on that higher dimensional level of receptivity wouldn’t. The same goes for my other links, McKenna etc. Some folks just aren’t prepared mentally and emotionally to take this in. It “pops their ego bubble” and i’m afraid that may be a danger to those who have never developed an awareness of –“they’re” higher self.

    Of course i had originally linked to Dali as one good example of a genius in the arts who uses the third person to express themselves. I guess a lot of people aren’t used to anything that they aren’t familiar with in their everyday mundane world. But this is welcomed heartily by some, because it supports a structure of awareness that is already in place, as often happens for those of us who have a more comprehensive and sophisticated background and have learned to go with the flow and not let a rigidly held and outdated belief system hold us back from knowledge gained through some of the subtler pathways of the cosmic thought-stream and universal consciousness expanding avenues. Thus we were able to follow the conversation and it expanded from our concerns about third person awareness to the learning gained from studying SD’s views on religion, superstition, politics, monarchy, modern physics, anti-matter, etc. I thought it especially enlightening how he explained his technique of arrhythmical apprehension and how it is related, in a very precise way, to celebrity. Totally awesome. And like you, suzy also enjoyed the old funny black and white tv media form. And like you, suzy also sees the compression of larger ideas into a moment of “eternity”, a blast from the past. Kerouac too, as you noted, delivered that same dense richness. He doesn’t use the third person but he has Dean Moriarty … Dean Mor-i-aaarty. Satori is a lot of fun. I’m sure it won’t let you down.

    As for me taking Jane’s critique seriously, no way. I don’t trust anything she says to be true. Her lies about me tell me that her words and views about other things aren’t to be trusted either. Nor do i honor her fake apologies. She’s not a worthy source of knowledge. And she’s afraid to confront the knowledge suzy provides. It might make her think. She, and Mitch too, simply ignore what’s available via the links i provide, and i’m afraid that they miss out on the inspiring viewpoints expressed by such great minds as Dali, McKenna,etc. I imagine its largely due to their past experience of this type of complex material going over their heads. Sad, because they are missing some good examples of the most intelligent and creative minds of the era. I’m glad that you followed through, checking the links, and gained, or remembered, the knowledge. That’s great, but i’m afraid that it puts some people’s world view on very shaky ground, which is ironic because it’s the very thing that could remove the “millstone” ;o) But i’m afraid its their karma to carry the “heavy burden of responsibility” LOL!, til then, in other words, forever? . . . Some of the prophecies made about this age, going back as far as the16th century at least, or in some cases much further, are now being juxtaposed with current visions of modern thinkers to create a dense web of knowledge which verifies for us, over and over again, that it is the lives and intentions of people like those i linked that will create the foundation of the new age. Suzy’s afraid that many are just too busy, working, consuming, shopping, watching the news on tv etc., and consequently are missing it. Glad you’re on-board and not bored.

    Btw, #62 was Rasta, my cat who likes to walk on the keyboard.

  69. Anonymous
    September 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    thanks suzy…totally ridiculous lies, misinformation and slander against an internationally famous reggae star.
    GOD supports this show.

  70. September 21, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Postscript – I read the Guernica article, both halves. I admit, somewhat back to front, an instinct with such heavily intended material.

    As a story, it’s an illuminating one, of humanly possible behaviours, and of a specific place.

    I did pick off this area of quote, which seemed relatable to letting them know what people would and would not appreciate of a performance in Humboldt, as a direct course of action. For those not having read the article, ‘dancehall’ is the name given to the hip-hop/rap-like chanted lyric music, where the bad things are delivered in non-English Jamaican patois:

    ““The things I’ve been talking about are starting to be accepted—the awareness of the negative aspects of dancehall is on the increase,” said Boyne. “Even those opposed to homosexuals say we have to draw the line. Homophobia, misogyny: I think we’re making some progress. One thing that has been helpful is our strong exposure to North America culture.”

    And no one is more sensitive to North American culture than those in the entertainment business, or in Boyne’s formulation: “What gives dancehall the right to insist on its own space and its own sacrosanct values and also demand Grammy awards?” It’s a confusion, Boyne predicted, that will not last.”

    One other thing I noted came on the first web page of the long article, in the moment the lyrics of Capleton are being discussed.

    You have to be _very_ careful there, to realize that the far worse lyrics, lower in the same paragraph, are _not_ from Capleton, but from entirely other figures.

    If you notice that distinction, you can see again that his words use the metaphor of fire, rather than describing direct violence as others do. I suspect that may be an important distinction, even as his explanation of fire meaning purification has its wide possible tendencies.

    The reason I think this is contained in the rest of the large article. Jamaica, or perhaps Kingston particularly, has an apparently actually hellish situation at present. The government officials described, like others of privileged social classes, twist and parry with it, right to the last physical image and words of the article, not wanting to have the worst be so. If you’re caught as a prominent performer in such a thing, perhaps metaphor is the only escape, not to be labelled — and hence violently punished — for being on a ‘wrong’ side for your audience.

    Read the article if you want to really know more, as Mitch suggests. Not fun, but can be definitely worth it.

    I find myself thinking the instinct is good, not to try to directly involve or confront with this, rather to straightforwardly create a way to construct a clear informing that the audience here (and their ticket purchase dollars) will not want this.

    The quote at the beginning about the Jamaican entertainment business directly asking for such North American influence seems telling, doesn’t it?

    And now we return to normal programming…

  71. September 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    hi suzy, yes, I think I uncovered the full novella, and it was indeed scattered around in time and location, benefits of Sohum Parlance II that it was recoverable.

    Anyway, you have a good afternoon. I read all you said, and appreciated. Might throw in one idea another time about that return of les temps perdu, in the surround…

  72. Mitch
    September 21, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Narration,

    Capleton’s song Hang Dem High has the following lyric, as translated from patois in Dancehall Dossier:

    Yow string them up and hang them up alive
    All queers who come around here
    This mama earth says none can survive.

    The excuse that bun fiya is sacred metaphorical cleaning is lovely. I await the apologists’ elucidation as to the TRUE meaning of Capleton’s lyric “string them up and hang them up alive.”

  73. Anonymous
    September 21, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    HAHA…GOD supports this show !! And thats why it is coming here, because GOD wants it to be here.

  74. September 21, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    -thanks, Naration. We’ll go into it all at more depth later. Meantime the ignorance and hating from the likes of Mitch and his gang goes on.

  75. Anonymous
    September 21, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    thanks again suzy ! takes a lot of energy to deal with lies and misinformation …

  76. suzy blah blah
    September 21, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    -a lot of these haters just like to make noise. Blah blah blah. You can’t take them seriously. Probably need their meds tweaked.

  77. September 21, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Fair catch, Mitch, and you evidently have gone into sources, thanks. It probably vindicates what my Swiss friends were on — usually there, they do know their basis well enough.

    I’m still hanging in that behaviour modification might trump ‘fiya wit fiya’. Appropriate apologies for the no doubt entirely false dialect, etc..

    Any case, I hope you have good success with ameliorating the case, very sincerely.

    I’ve held onto the idea that to actually do so, ameliorate, would be quite a fine accomplishment, as in any of our current messes. Quite a stew they’ve cooked up in Kingston, by appearances.

    You haven’t perhaps read Greg Bear’s Queen of Angels, which has as part of its run a Haiti with some nuances of interest? Nothing direct, and not exactly a story of ease, either, but you might find something in it. Warning that the author made some of his own dialect there — artist willing out, and often he succeeds at such things.

  78. suzy blah blah
    September 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    -Naration, the les temps perdu we see today often manifests in ineffectual protests. It’s the international musicians, artists, and writers who make the real changes in the culture, not those uptight preachers who try and force their moral correctness onto others.
    huggles,
    suzy.

  79. September 21, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    The “uptight preacher” around here lately is Suzy Blah Blah. Such sanctimonious bullshit.

  80. suzy blah blah
    September 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    -we all know that you like to fart on the net Joel. Why not try responding to the information in the posts i write, and thinking for once instead. Maybe you’ll even be able to make an educated response instead of just spewing reactionary hatred and ignorant bias against the nearest suzy.

  81. September 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    I’m not sure how to respond to Suzy, who compares herself to Dali “…one good example of a genius in the arts who uses the third person to express themselves”?

    I suppose I’m just one of her inferiors who “aren’t used to anything that they aren’t familiar with in their everyday mundane world.”

  82. suzy blah blah
    September 21, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    -oh now i get it. Joel, who draws cartoons, doesn’t like suzy’s reference to the great genius artist Dali. Well i can see the reason. Does Dali go over Joel’s head? . . . But maybe if he’d listen to the interview he’d learn something. And see why i said above that: “it expanded from our concerns about third person awareness to the learning gained from studying SD’s views on religion, superstition, politics, monarchy, modern physics, anti-matter, etc. I thought it especially enlightening how he explained his technique of arrhythmical apprehension”. But he’s not sure how to respond to that, so instead he’s gonna go fart out another stupid cartoon.

  83. suzy blah blah
    September 21, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    -whoops, logarithmic not arrhythmic

  84. September 21, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Suzy, for some reason that made me smile.

  85. September 22, 2012 at 10:18 am

    I smiled too — we might have to go deeper for arrhythmic, I think ;) — the logarithmic is right there on the plane/plain of time…

    Mitch, I couldn’t leave a part of the main topic alone last night — it didn’t seem that persons emitting such messages would have much luck with visas, whatever the back story, and yet here he is.

    This is what I think I worked out. This dancehall threat monstrosity has been going for about a decade — and as the article you posted points out, it’s a very confused business, with men dressing and dancing shall we say in wild abandon – and then the reverse move of great loathing for gays. Human and political psychology can get complicated, and no more so than near denials, probably.

    But what about the visa factor? Here indeed Capleton and others near him were indeed banned from the US, some years ago.

    Then, not necessarily in chronological order, there was the signing of the pledge not to perform hate lyrics. There was (blurry but present) an amount of court action to get names cleared so they could have visas again.

    Around this, there’s information that petitions (or responsible club owners) have been getting agreements signed that there will be no songs with the noted lyrics, in the individual performances. I presume they make it clear that’s with or without hiding in patois, and whether or not in songs or in oops comments.

    The picture I have, then, is that in fact performances by these musicians are not to have, and in principle, have not had, the songs or talk with the bad content, in recent years. The best thing to guarantee this is a signed side agreement to the main contract, so that money is involved.

    I know this doesn’t bring the satisfaction for the various threatened communities that the performers just be forbidden, but it is in a sense the American way. Legally at least, and where clearly some high-monied legal pressure could be brought to bear, as returns from music are apparently a quite substantial part of the Jamaican economy.

    Some locations, yes, have gotten club owners to ban the acts and remove the planned dates, by means of petitions and so forth. I don’t know if that’s likely in Humboldt or with this club. You’ve surely seen the records of this on the web.

    I’m not going to repeat any suggestions, but it does seem that communication is your best friend. Getting potential attendees to think about what they want to hear is really the groundswell you want give or take a given performer, and what they do when they perform, would think.

    That’s probably all I have on this, and hope it may have some veracity and helpful aspect.

  86. September 22, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Does Dali go over Joel’s head?

    He doesn’t “go over” my head, since he was the shallowest of the surrealists, but he’s definitely gone to Suzy’s head. What does any of her “intellectual” jerk off have to do with another bigoted reggae performer coming to the Red Fox?

    When did the Suzy Blah Blah, who was occasionally funny on purpose, turn into Forest Queen, a vapid poser, who barfs out such insufferable dreck.

  87. Mitch
    September 22, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Narration,

    Your comments are thoughtful, as always.

    I landed on this issue somewhat by accident a few years ago. I’ve personally heard the promoters lie. The way in which the performers play on people’s good will is well documented — they present the necessary faces to each audience in order to build their careers.

    My only interest in the matter is making sure that potential audience members of these performers know of their behavior, past and present. I’d thought, somewhat naively, that pretty much every Humboldt local would find such knowledge sufficiently repellent that they would take a pass on supporting such people with their money, or even on supporting venues who host such people. That’s not the case, but I still feel there is value in spreading the word, so I do.

    Humboldt is ground zero for reggae in North America. Behavior by those of us in Humboldt genuinely affects the safety of LGBT Jamaicans. Sadly, that’s beyond the caring of many people here.

  88. suzy blah blah
    September 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    -Doug, maybe because it’s true ;) Btw, suzy likes the Nietzsche quote on your front page. Advice that some people here could use.

  89. September 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    Suzy, danke. I may not always agree with you, but you seem interesting. For the record, I dislike reggae.

  90. suzy blah blah
    September 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    -suzy does not always agree with myself either.

  91. September 22, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Then we can disagree to agree … or something like that. Thanks for bringing a smile on an otherwise awful day.

  92. September 22, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    ;}

  93. Grinnan Bearette
    September 22, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    There is a protest in the makings please look for the event on facebook.

  94. This thread suks
    September 23, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Thanks for taking action. I’ll be happy to protest against this jerk.

    I now return the floor to the navel gazers, who need so many paragraphs to say so little.

  95. What Now
    September 23, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I’m with you, Thread.

  96. Furious
    September 24, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Those of you arguing for how metaphorical and harmless all this talk of “purification” is, ponder this (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Jamaica):

    In June 2004 founding member and the public face of J-FLAG and Jamaica’s leading gay-rights activist, Brian Williamson, was stabbed to death in his home. Police ruled that the murder was the result of a robbery, but J-FLAG believes his murder was a hate crime.[13]

    Human Rights Watch researcher Rebecca Schleifer had a meeting with Williamson that day, and arrived at his home not long after his body had been discovered:She found a small crowd singing and dancing.

    One man called out, “Battyman he get killed.” Others were celebrating, laughing and shouting “Let’s get them one at a time”, “That’s what you get for sin”. Others sang “Boom bye bye”, a line from a well-known dancehall song by Jamaican star Buju Banton about shooting and burning gay men. “It was like a parade”, says Schleifer. “They were basically partying.”[6]

  97. Mitch
    September 24, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Yes, “Furious,” the evidence here is of a similar level to the evidence for man-made climate change. And in both cases, those who find it profitable to deny the evidence do so with greater or lesser impunity thanks to the docility and laziness of others.

    It’s just that different people choose to resign from different responsibilities after checking in with their hair stylists. It’s absolutely vital for the modern narcissist to know which forms of thuggery are in fashion.

  98. Felix
    September 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I’m back…….but I’m not gonna let sbb pull this whole thread off topic – which is,I believe her main goal. I think she may have a horse in this race (or at least a connection to the horse). Nor will I read her drivel anymore and let it make me ‘furious’ too.

    ‘Bonus Entertainment’ isn’t a ‘rebranding’ of any other production company that has been happy to bring this genre here before is it? I’d really like someone who knows for sure to answer this question and I sure hope the answer is ‘NO’…………….

    I do not take Nazi metaphors lightly, but ‘purification’ was their word for their goal of annihilation as well. This is sickening.

    @Grinnan – a protest the night of the event will be a mess. Not everyone’s reading this blog – plaster town with posters before people buy their tickets, maybe? That might have some effect. But once people are on their way in the door, I can say from my experience at the Buju concert down in so. hum. no one will be turned away at that point.

  99. September 24, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Felix, feel that you are quite wise in suggesting that all the get-the-word-out work be done in weeks and days before the performance, and that confrontation on the night is not the thing to be done. Anything else is likely at the least to have damage to good intentions.

    You were wise too above in thinking the kids probably wouldn’t understand any bad lyrics without a translation. Yet I think Mitch has a particular point that cutting off the monetary flow probably can be a help to Jamaica righting this demonstration of Darwin’s principle of what can occur on an island. It’s sure from the sense of the governmental figures twisting and turning in the linked intelligent article that they need some concrete help to realize what they need to do.

    Let me also carry a weight. I was the one, and not Suzy, to try the wings that the purification perspective might have been a way for the performer to try to rehabilitate himself within a subculture turned to darkness. I did so in very full awareness, and said so, of the historic and psychological problems with that poetry and metaphor. I said so quietly so as not to knock on the doors of every darkness that can come out in the night, but so everyone willing to understand it would see.

    In as truly twisted and vile a location as this aspect of recent Jamaica, it would be nice to think that someone caught in the trap, even by their own period of participation, might have some sense of getting free.

    Mitch brought out some lyrics which suggest this may not be so; and I then looked a lot more deeply into the accounts of Jamaica’s problem in those accounts, seeing that there is clearly the threatening of individuals and the violence.

    I don’t usually support telling other peoples what they should do, nor messages at some distance from direct goals, but when things get this bad, it’s only responsible that others show some clarity of what they think.

    To saw at the offshore financial rope is a way of doing this that probably gets the message to just the people who thought it was smart to allow and abet the enthusiasms, who show so clearly from their privileged positions in the two-part Guernica article that Mitch posted.

    As I may hope for the performers, as after all life needs to go on, these sound like persons who would gain to rehabilitate.

    See what you think, if you like, in reading the last several paragraphs of that article, on this page:

    http://www.guernicamag.com/features/greenberg_12_15_10/

  100. Dick Cat
    September 24, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Joel Mielke :

    Does Dali go over Joel’s head?

    He doesn’t “go over” my head, since he was the shallowest of the surrealists, but he’s definitely gone to Suzy’s head. What does any of her “intellectual” jerk off have to do with another bigoted reggae performer coming to the Red Fox?
    When did the Suzy Blah Blah, who was occasionally funny on purpose, turn into Forest Queen, a vapid poser, who barfs out such insufferable dreck.

    The only poseur here is the poseur who spells poseur “poser”. Poseur!

  101. Felix
    September 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    @narration: sweet of you to try to take the rap for having used the fire/purification ‘metaphor’, but I can’t let you do that – “that his words use the metaphor of fire, rather than describing direct violence as others do.” In real life, it is often real fire that is used to kill and so it isn’t really a metaphor at all. And the musicians know it……
    So, no need to apologize………..

  102. September 24, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    Sorry, “Dick,” but according to my Oxford American English dictionary, a poser is “a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.” The English word poseur is a loanword from French, and posers like the impressive spelling.

  103. Felix
    September 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    As per the article (I only read the second part) – odd, how the ‘middle class’ perceive the homophobia to be diminishing and the queers the opposite – when they’ve killed all the queers there will be no problem at all, eh? With every death, it’s diminishing.

  104. September 25, 2012 at 7:11 am

    I’m not familiar with Capleton, but reading the comments by his defenders on this Youtube video gives me some idea of just what sort of complete asshole he might be.

  105. SmokeMonster
    September 25, 2012 at 9:12 am

    “Humboldt is ground zero in north America for reggae”

    Mitch you once again prove your ignorance and naivety. How often do you travel the country?
    You really think we are alone with all the trustafarians and what not? If so your insane and at best overdramatic,you really are a DRAMA QUEEN MITCH,your drivel only leads me to believe why you personally dislike Capleton.

    As I previously stated,I’ll go to this show,pay and then turn around and leave. All due to idiots like Mitch and Joel

  106. SmokeMonster
    September 25, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Seeing as how you guys like to delete posts,why not delete the obvious LIE that is the first?

    YOU KEEP IT UP THEIR AS FIRST THING PEOPLE SEE BECAUSE IT FITS YOUR AGENDA!! more fox news tactics being used by the HH

    No one has ever been killed at the red fox,fact.

  107. Felix
    September 25, 2012 at 9:34 am

    @S.M. it is merely an adjective that has become recognized. It is not a “Fox news tactic.”
    What kind of immature jerk are you that you would go to this show to spite Mitch and Joel?
    No one has ever suggested that a murder might be likely AT the event. Rather, that people like you will encourage more of this kind of EVER SO IRIE (not!) music and try to trivialize and further desensitize the youth (esp.) to the problem.
    Mitch sounds naive? You sound like quite the brat yourself.

  108. tra
    September 25, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Good thing Mitch didn’t post a piece critical of the KKK and the Neo-Nazis because then SmokeMonster would feel compelled to donate to them.

  109. September 25, 2012 at 9:54 am

    As I previously stated,I’ll go to this show,pay and then turn around and leave.

    He calls us idiots.
    And shouting “drama queen” in all caps, shows a deficiency of irony in Smokemonster’s intellectual diet.

  110. September 25, 2012 at 10:13 am

    And thanks, Anonymous #19. Challenge accepted.

  111. SmokeMonster
    September 25, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    @felix- you must be confused,there is no way the first post of this thread(1st one at top there guy) is an adjective for anything you try to rationalize it as,it us pure sensationalism and lies.

  112. SmokeMonster
    September 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Joel glad to see your working on a blog board etiquette manual,I hope you can find someone better than yourself for real illustrations, which shouldnt be hard.
    I’ll work on understand upper and lower case usage for further posts,now get back to your weekly doodles

  113. Felix
    September 25, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “Murder music.” Was what I was referring to.

  114. Felix
    September 25, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    If you were talking about the first post, and object to the verb “killing” – sorry, that’s not lying or sensationalizing. And the point is not killings in the Red Fox in particular – don’t be a contrary. You know what we’re talking about is Jamaica specifically, and homophobia and encouraging it, generally.

  115. Anonymous
    September 26, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Mitch the bitch is flushing this blog and its assorted fools down the toilet. Hold on to the rim PJ. How funny.

  116. Felix
    September 26, 2012 at 8:39 am

    And who are YOU to say?

  117. September 26, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Thanks, Felix, for keeping this thread on the subject.

  118. Grinnan Bearette
    September 26, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Hello everyone Grinnan here. Friendly update that a lot of the efforts made to cancel the event has worked.
    Even though the red fox tavern refused to cancel the show with out having an event held in place of it to raise the money they would be getting from capleton and so on, he has eventually caved. I feel it took the threat of the press becoming involved at the two different protests being held against this event.
    But it would seem that it is cancelled! Good for the red fox tavern finally doing the right thing. It’s too bad they had to have their arm twisted so much.

  119. September 26, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Thanks for the update, Grinnan. Too late for the cartoon; it’s already on the street.
    Perhaps Smokemonster will enjoy the replacement act.

  120. Off with the Gloves
    September 26, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Nice cartoon Joel. Stay hot!

  121. Mitch
    September 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    The North Coast Journal’s blog has a post stating that the Capleton show at the Red Fox Tavern has been cancelled: http://www.northcoastjournal.com/blogthing/2012/09/26/capletons-red-fox-tavern-show-canceled/

    Let’s hope it’s true.

  122. Mitch
    September 27, 2012 at 8:36 am

    FYI, from a local person in the know: “However, this has just posted on Facebook:
    CAPLETON with the PROPHECY Band in Humboldt…NOT CANCELLED!
    http://www.facebook.com/#!/events/494005443946030/
    Seems the promoter, Bonus Entertainment, same one who has promoted Capleton before here, is moving the event to a Club T.B.A.. “

  123. September 27, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I ask again – “‘Bonus Entertainment’ isn’t a ‘rebranding’ of any other production company that has been happy to bring this genre here before is it? I’d really like someone who knows for sure to answer this question and I sure hope the answer is ‘NO’…………….”
    Does anyone know?
    And did the Red Fox pull the show due to bad publicity, good politics, or what?

  124. Mitch
    September 27, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Felix,

    The North Coast Journal blog indicates that the show is still on, with promoter Beau deVito of Bonus Entertainment declining to name the location until the day of performance.

    Mr. deVito told the Journal this was “to support uncensored reggae.” I’m glad Mr. deVito is a supporter of freedom of speech.

  125. September 27, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Yeah, me too. Thrilled.

  126. tra
    September 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I wonder if he would promote an appearance by David Duke and justify it by saying he just wanted to “support uncensored political dialogue.”

  127. Dick Cat
    September 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Joel Mielke :
    Sorry, “Dick,” but according to my Oxford American English dictionary, a poser is “a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.” The English word poseur is a loanword from French, and posers like the impressive spelling.

    Oxford dictionary, you mean the dictionary that includes LOL, OMG, muffin top and Jedi? Poser according to Merriam-Webster’s definition is either “a puzzling or baffling question” or “a person who poses” as if for a portrait. I’ll stick with the punk rock spelling of poseur (see MDC or NOFX). You can choose to misspell words if you wish…after all, you are the…cough…journalist.

  128. September 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    @Grinnan – what’s the page called? And though I won’t be able to participate – if it must be this way, I wish there were enough queers (and enough with hope or guts or whatever it would take) to FLASH MOB this event.
    ????????……………………..

  129. Mitch
    September 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Oh, I don’t know Felix. I think if a bunch of people want to pay their money to dance to an obnoxious artist, they shouldn’t have to put up with a flash mob. Personally, I think it’s enough that word is out on the real nature of what they are supporting. And I agree with those who are bewildered by the idea that they are somehow supposed to thank the Red Fox for no longer slapping people in the face. I know that I’ll never knowingly pay money to the Red Fox, or to Nocturnum, or to Beau deVito, and I’m sure I’m not alone.

  130. September 27, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    I don’t think the word IS out, except to those of us in the choir……And I’m absolutely unconcerned that those attending would have to “put up with” a flash mob.
    I would, in fact, be both surprised and most inspired, if there were enough young queers here (and their supporters) to pull it off.
    The ‘I’ll do my thing, you do yours’ – ‘outlaw’ mentality that has ruled in Hum. co for many years has brought us to a terrible place (environmentally and socially). I’m over it.

  131. Mitch
    September 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Felix, I think anything anyone can do to spread the word is helpful, up to and including a peaceful protest in front of any venue. It’s just disruption inside that I think is overstepping boundaries. But that’s just my opinion, and I’m not about to defend Capleton and crew.

  132. September 27, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Oxford dictionary, you mean the dictionary that includes LOL, OMG, muffin top and Jedi?

    Sorry again, Dick. You could fault American Heritage on the same grounds. The failure to include neologisms does not make one dictionary more authoritative than another, but unlike most pedantic posers, at least you know which “Webster’s” you’re referring to.

  133. September 27, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    I sure didn’t mean a flash mob inside! You’d have to pay to do that. Outside, as people were arriving………..And ‘flash mob’ does not mean flash grenades or anything that would not fit the description of a “peaceful protest”.

    And, you will remember, I wasn’t even in favor of a protest before – but it feels like someone upped the ante.

    Are Arcata and Eureka blanketed with ‘Stop/boycott murder-music’ posters?

    I guess the word IS out, sort of, if they have had to change and hide the locale – I’d just love it if all the ‘Humboldt Pride’ people would stand up. And, yes, it would be a test of how very ‘all good’ it is. Or isn’t. But I did not mean anything other than a spontaneous and large number of people showing up unexpectedly – they could all sing ‘It’s Raining Men’ to a reggae beat! THAT would be awesome!

  134. Dawn
    September 27, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I was recently informed about this artist, the true meaning of his lyrics, and the local businesses who are supporting him. I wanted to express my sincere appreciation for the opportunity this knowledge has provided for me to make an informed, empowered decision about who I do or do not want to support with my hard earned money. I would not want to knowingly support anti-blacks, anti-Jews, anti-Muslims or ANY hate-based thinking. I’m all for free speech, but not willing to support hate speech. Thank you to the Sisters and everyone else who have opened my eyes. God Bless you all and keep you safe from the haters and uneducated alike. You have my full support.

    -Dawn

  135. September 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Mitch, I quite appreciated what you said just above.

    I admit to having begun to feel a bit whip-lashed today, but let’s not go into that – it’s about fine points that are no doubt to be in conversations another time.

    Dawn, that’s really a nice thing that you’ve said, and for Humboldt here.

  136. Anonymous
    October 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    why are all of you complaining so much about this reggae show? Dont you have anything better to do then threaten local business owners, music venues, music promoters and people who want to listen to some reggae. Why are you people sending out so much negative energy? Your actions make you no better then the artist you are protesting. If you really want to protest anti gay beliefs go pick any church in this community and see how that goes. You all are promoting hate of another kind by threatening other peoples rights. You cant stop others beliefs by acting this way. Nuff said.

  137. Watcher
    October 4, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Actually, this is not a reggae show, this is a dancehall show, a music full of homophobia and violence aimed at LGBT persons. If a local business is hosting this show, it is like brandishing a weapon at LGBT persons. Who is threatening whom? Our actions to create and protect a positive accepting and pro-LGBT community in Humboldt County stand to be diminished by the unthinking consumerism of opportunists like Beau DeVito and his ilk. The right to say that you don’t like some one is protected free speech. There is no right to threaten the life of some one. The LGBT people in Humboldt County, and their Allies are threatening no one. They are stating that this very sick and dangerous man is not welcome here since he is unable to do anything that is consistant with his own word. He causes people to be brutally and unconsciably murdered. He encites people to these act of hatred. He breeds an atmosphere of fear and strife.

  138. October 4, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Thank you very much, well put. I was beginning to tire of the stupid back and forth and digressions.

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