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“This is beyond shameful” — County stiffs home care workers

From: Loretta Stevens, via Redwood Progressive

Impartial Fact Finder Recommends Raising Wages for County IHSS Caregivers

Supes reject rec, keeping pay at $8/hour

Eureka, California – After months of efforts to bargain a historic first wage increase for County IHSS Caregivers, the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors (acting as the Governing Board of the IHSS Public Authority) rejected a Fact Finder’s recommendation to increase wages for over 1,400 County IHSS homecare workers. The Fact Finder understood the urgency and growing health care crisis facing the residents of Humboldt County. The Fact Finder referred to his ruling as “fair and equitable,” stating that the reasons for his ruling were “numerous.”

“This is beyond shameful, it is offensive and says more about their commitment to turn their backs on our County’s most vulnerable and the Caregivers who change adult diapers,” said County IHSS Caregiver Antoinette Skiles when she learned of the Supervisor’s response to the Fact Finding Report. “We use money out of our own pockets to care for people who would most likely be in nursing homes without us. We love the people we care for and that’s why we do it. But we shouldn’t be punished because we have a heart,” she added.

In his ruling, the Fact Finder emphasized that, “The County clearly has the ability to pay the modest increases sought,” and that the homecare workforce, which is comprised primarily of women and minorities, is paid significantly less than every other County employee. Many facts included in the Fact Finding Report, such as the Supervisor’s willingness to increase their own salaries while homecare wages remained stagnant over the years, were accentuated by a recommendation that stated, “When it came to the issue of wages and healthcare benefits for care providers, the Union makes the more compelling case.”

The two day Fact Finding Hearing covered an exhaustive amount of data and testimony from County Caregivers, recipients and university professors Eileen Boris and Candace Howes. Both Boris and Howes are national experts on long-term care whose efforts have been used to influence national, state and County long-term care legislation. After reviewing documents and testimony from the County and CUHW, the Fact Finder awarded his decision: Humboldt County IHSS Caregivers deserved better.

Last Tuesday the Board of Supervisors met in closed session to discuss the Fact Finding Report, ultimately not only refusing to implement the report’s recommendation but also attempting to discredit the Fact Finder in the process. In an official statement released on behalf of the County IHSS Public Authority the County claimed that the Fact Finder “misunderstood” important concepts during the hearing. In that same official statement, the County repeated that its refusal to grant a wage increase to County IHSS Caregivers was, “due to the County’s finances,” this despite admitting during the Fact Finding hearing that it in fact had budgeted enough to provide the requested wage increase.

The Supervisor’s recent rejection of the Fact Finder’s recommendation follows their rejection of a mediated settlement proposal last July that also called for a wage increase for County IHSS Caregivers. CUHW has filed an Unfair Labor Practice against the County and will continue its efforts to work with the residents of Humboldt County to achieve justice for its most vulnerable populations and those who care for them.

Call the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors (707.476.2396) today and tell them: The facts don’t lie. Implement the IHSS Fact Finder’s Recommendations and be fair to those who care. End the shame of minimum wage:

View the Fact Finder’s entire Report and Recommendation at: http://co.humboldt.ca.us/publicinfo/docs/2012-09-25_h12-079-factfinding–cuhw-humboldt.pdf

View the Board of Supervisors press release at:
http://co.humboldt.ca.us/publicinfo/docs/2012-09-27%20-%20statement%20by%20public%20authority%20for%20ihss.pdf.

Loretta Stevens
Executive Director

California United Homecare Workers
AFSCME/SEIU Local 4034
2484 Natomas Park Drive #101
Sacramento, CA 95833
(916) 239-3988 office
(213) 300-1542 cell

  1. September 28, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I’m for offering the Board of Supervisors a generous $12 per hour, since reading the General Plan Update is a lot harder than changing an invalid adult’s diapers.

  2. What Now
    September 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Joel, that’s far more than the Jive Five are worth.

  3. Just Middle Finance
    September 28, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    If everyone was paid fairly and equally, there would not be extra money for the Business Owners and Rental Owners to become super-wealthy! There is only so much money at a business. If I paid all my employees a “living wage”, then I would be upper middle class instead of owning a second home in Palm Springs. Besides, I’m not in the business of “job creation”, I’m in the business of making as much profit as possible. This means charging my customers as much per gallon of gas as I can get them to pay. And I have to pay my employees as low as the law allows. It’s simple economics. The pay may be low, but you can get low prices at Wal*Mart, always!

  4. tra
    September 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Dear Grandma and Grandpa, Mom and Dad,

    Just thought I’d drop you a line to let you know that the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors officially doesn’t give a crap about the well-being of those who care for you every day.

    Cheers,

    Your kids and grandkids.

  5. Mitch
    September 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Joel,

    True, it takes some skills to read documents that are not involved in changing an adult’s diapers, but I’m willing to bet that it takes more compassion to properly change an adult’s diapers than to read documents. Since I value compassion more highly than reading ability, I’d say the supes shouldn’t make as much as the IHSS workers, at least on grounds of personal capability. But they should be welcome to do half BoS work and half diaper changing to give themselves a bit more understanding and a bit more pay.

  6. September 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    SO stupid! It costs society much less $ to keep people in their own homes (forget it’s the compassionate thing too – I guess we’re over that).
    Really sad.

  7. 06em
    September 28, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    With the money and benefits we pay them, the supervisors can afford private nurses for their own loved ones. They have no skin in the game.
    Solution? Stop voting for fake Democrats and Republicans and fake Independents. They care only about themselves and their buddies – even though some of them have convinced themselves that they really care about all residents.

  8. Anonymous
    September 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Mitch :
    Joel,
    True, it takes some skills to read documents that are not involved in changing an adult’s diapers, but I’m willing to bet that it takes more compassion to properly change an adult’s diapers than to read documents. Since I value compassion more highly than reading ability, I’d say the supes shouldn’t make as much as the IHSS workers, at least on grounds of personal capability. But they should be welcome to do half BoS work and half diaper changing to give themselves a bit more understanding and a bit more pay.

    Boy, the representation I recieved with respect to Mitch and Kirk taking over this blog when the original Heraldo had to move out of town because he had run all the businesses and jobs away was that it was going to be more even handed, and respectfull of other opinions. I guess getting a blog makes a reasonable, considerate guy a mean spirited ass hole. Started out okay but we are well on our way to the bottom of the mire. Too bad. Our community could use a lot more compassion all the way around but it seems no one’s willing to be first.

    btw, the IHHS workers mighta gota raise too if they werent such ass holes them selves. Flies with honey and all…

  9. translation
    September 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    uff ugh duh, Heraldo run out of bizzness, I hate IHSS workers for some strange reason.

  10. What Now
    September 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    High Finance is lurking behind new names once again.
    Welcome back, ‘Fried.

  11. Plain Jane
    September 28, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    It is shameful that the adults who care for our elderly in their homes are paid the same as teenagers earning blow money to sling fast food. There is no doubt that IHSS workers save the taxpayers MANY times more by enabling people to avoid much more expensive elder care than fast food workers make their employer. Their work benefits everyone from their clients to taxpayers. Shouldn’t the pay of people providing needed services while saving massive amounts of tax dollars be more commensurate with the value we receive?

  12. Mitch
    September 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Sometimes, all you’ve got to do is quote someone, word for word, and let them hear themselves.

    Our community could use a lot more compassion all the way around but it seems no one’s willing to be first….
    btw, the IHHS workers mighta gota raise too if they werent such ass holes them selves. Flies with honey and all…

  13. Anonymous
    September 28, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Sometimes, all you’ve got to do is quote someone, word for word, and let them hear themselves.

    In the short term avoidance of the truth works, but it has a way of catching up to us in the long run. Cheers

  14. Anonymous
    September 28, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Ah, now anyone you don’t like is moderated. A tactic that has worked so well.

  15. September 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    The county’s Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR), gone over with two accountants from CAFR website would show the true picture, abundance+++
    What is obscurely hidden is the fact that NONE of H.S., C.R., or ANY of the school district’s obscene funding is included in the totals. ‘Budget’ is a nice soft word, but it DOES NOT show standing value of a corporation. Since the D.A.’s reply to the so-called Grand Jury last year, regarding how the books are to be kept, said that (GAAP) Generally Accepted Accounting Principles would no longer be adhered to, the records probably look like a crime scene by now. Then there’s all the cash stolen at gun point from the growers that shows up in courts as Marijuana being the Respondent!

    As soon as the people realize that they can do a better job than the Supes., D.A., Sheriff etc., then we’ll turn this ship around.

  16. Mitch
    September 28, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    After a grand total of three minutes, Anonymous #13 posted a complaint that I have moderated them, as comment #14.

    For the record, and for the benefit of those who will believe me, I have no control over the word press moderation system and have been moderated myself, at times and for reasons that make no sense to me. I release comments from moderation when I check my email. Some others also release comments from moderation, presumably when they check their emails.

    Over the several months that I’ve been posting here, I have rejected no more than two comments that landed in moderation. I reject moderated comments only when they are an anonymous attack against a named individual.

  17. Not A Native
    September 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Unfortunately, dedicated IHSS workers need to demonstrate unity and have a work action if they want more compensation. Its a power contest and that’s the way to advocate as a group.

    But besides the dedicated workers, there are many more sketchy IHSS workers who aren’t reliable. And then there are the spouse/relative IHSS workers who wouldn’t be working otherwise and receive housing or other necessities because of their relationship.

    However, the real game appears to be how recipients and the case workers collude to boost approved hours of service. All the IHSS recipients I know sign off for more hours of service than they receive. They do that to attract dependable workers. The “going rate” I’m told, is 50% more, or three hours reported for every two hours worked, which is $12 an hour. Even so, I doubt many IHSS workers are reporting more than 40 hours per week, $16,500 a year.

  18. Mitch
    September 28, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    “In Russia, they pretended to pay us, and we pretended to work.”

    That probably sums up the situation for some in IHSS. But as for work, I’ve seen for myself the forms that overpaid state and local bureaucrats spend their time coming up with, to insure that someone wiping someone else’s ass gets paid only for the exact number of minutes that some Crandall-with-a-stopwatch has measured (taking a highly paid month to do the measurement, and complaining about how hard their job is).

  19. What Now
    September 28, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    POerhaps you should widen your circle of acquaintances to include more people, and especially more people with some degree of ethical priciples, NAN.

  20. NP
    September 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    The money used to pay caregivers can’t be used to pay supervisor salaries, and vice versa. It can only be used to pay for services for other poor people, who are also in need. All your screaming and yelling doesn’t change the fact that social service funding at this point in time is basically stealing from the poor to feed the poor.

  21. Just Sayin
    September 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    All this concern about the IHSS workers and blaming the current Board of Supervisors, would it still be the same if the election results had been different?

  22. What Now
    September 28, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    Is there a point to your post, #21 or are you just engaging on fleece seeking cortical masturbation?

  23. Not A Native
    September 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    What Now :
    POerhaps you should widen your circle of acquaintances to include more people, and especially more people with some degree of ethical priciples, NAN.

    Sure, What Now. I’m as likely to find people in HumCo meeting your idea of ‘ethical priciples’ as I would finding a virgin in a bordello. The pot growers claim without challenge that everyone in HumCo is involved in or knowingly benefits from clandestine and illegal behavior which regularly results in violence and substance dependence, both here and elsewhere. Is that what you call ‘ethical priciples’?

  24. September 28, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    NP :
    The money used to pay caregivers can only be used to pay for services for other poor people, who are also in need. All your screaming and yelling doesn’t change the fact that social service funding at this point in time is basically stealing from the poor to feed the poor.

    A few years ago I called down to the courthouse to get some budget figures. Among other things, I was told that the county budget is divided: One part pays for general services like roads, Sheriff’s Office, parks and such. The other is Health and Human Services, which deals with all the welfare type stuff.

    They’re totally separate, was the impression I got, so you can’t use money from the General Fund for Healthy Families and vice versa. How much control the Board of Supes has over Health and Human Services, I have no idea, but I would assume many of those expenses are dictated by the state.

  25. Plain Jane
    September 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    It’s sad that the wealthiest country in the world begrudges a living wage for the people who do the hardest and some of the most important work there is, growing our food, raising our kids and caring for our elderly. So many people out of work and so much unfulfilled need because we won’t pay for it.

  26. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 8:30 am

    If there is no money, there is no money. for some reason the public sector does not understand this. the state is bankrupt, and many cities and counties are not far behind.

  27. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Lay off one high paid bureaucrat in the HHS monarchy; that would fund a raise for IHSS care givers. Better, dismiss the entire bureaucracy and outsource it to the private sector, with the requirement that it continue all non-management employees at their current pay and protection. That would give you money to pay IHSS care givers double what they make now.

  28. September 29, 2012 at 9:33 am

    “If there is no money, there is no money. for some reason the public sector does not understand this. the state is bankrupt, and many cities and counties are not far behind.”

    And why is that? Because our corrupted elected officials have excluded Billion-dollar resource extraction companies from paying their share of taxes. Not to mention the $1.00 contracts they receive to allow them to take a Trillion dollars worth of gold, silver and petroleum. This is why we’re broke. Keep supporting corporate traitors working for China, and we’ll get more of the same.
    It’s really amazing that people believe the reason the state is broke is because of those ridiculous salaries we’re paying teachers, police and fire-fighters.
    No end to the ignorance.

  29. September 29, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Movie Dad,
    “The State is bankrupt.” Really? This is ONLY a re-run of the G R E A T Depression – why re-invent the wheel, it schnookered the people in the 1930’s. It’s all about Choice. Have you been sold a lie, or did you buy a lie? “The bigger the lie, and the more times it’s repeated, the more PERSONS will beLIEve it” Hitler. (Not the exact quote). I think the repitition takes 21 times . . . the brain doesn’t care if it’s right or wrong. The Pink Floyd song ‘Comfortably Numb’ comes to mind. Is Columbia short on cocaine? Have the rivers that run through California stopped flowing? Are we short on labor? Are we short on intelligence? Have you no faith in your fellow womb/men? California, if it were a country unto itself, would be the seventh largest in the world.
    btw, ‘money’ is an idea, in that it can be in more than one place at once – in a checking account, and then a check is written somewhere else.

    Adapt truth
    Vacate illusion

  30. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 11:01 am

    i would say it is the pensions, moviedad, not the salaries. but i could be wrong.

    “California state teachers are the highest paid teachers in the country, with an average salary of $68,000. The typical pension plan allows them to retire after 30 years with 75% of their salary intact. It’s no coincidence that the California State Teachers Retirement System has a $65 billion unfunded liability.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/16/opinion/bennett-california-budget/index.html

  31. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 11:12 am

    The average salary for a basic software engineer in SF and San Jose is around $70,000. Most likely, most of those folks are relatively young, because many software engineers get shuffled into management, where pay is far higher.

    Are you suggesting that the average salary or pension for a teacher in California is too high? Do you think they’re not professionals? That working with young people is unimportant, not very valuable, doesn’t really require too much effort?

    You try teaching kids for thirty years without burning out, and then complain about teachers’ salaries and pensions. You try being held responsible for test scores over which you have less control than parents, while parents abdicate their responsibilities. Try it, and then complain.

    When someone puts in thirty years of service to society, I think they’re entitled to a decent retirement. And the reason public pension plans are underfunded is that Wall Street banksters collapsed our economy with their greed, not that the pensions are too generous.

    Historically, teaching was a women’s profession. So historically, teachers were never paid what they were worth. Good for California for recognizing that teachers should be paid decently.

  32. September 29, 2012 at 11:36 am

    One of my daughters is in her fifth year teaching fourth, then fifth grade in Oakland. I asked her when she was getting her credentials how she would feel being contracted to teach the lies of history that my generation and hers was taught. So many fine young women and men graduated with her, with such optimistic views . . . all too soon to be dashed. My daughter was ready to quit after the first three weeks this year – not because of what I thought regarding his story, oh no, but because she spends most of her day filling out corporate-government forms evaluating each child, so that she in turn can spend a large part of one day per month being evaluated by a principal, who is evaluating her evaluations! Even the feds. come in occasionally to evaluate the principal, who evaluates the teachers, who evaluate the children. She’s sad. I don’t think that for most teachers it’s about their salary. It’s seeing no logic in what they do each day that makes them want to pull their hair out.

  33. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I am not suggesting anything other than we are running out of money. Make your own judgements, but they are earning 2x the per capita income.

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html

  34. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Yes, as long as a useless group of people is able to take tens of millions of dollars by engaging in societally useless tasks involving the rearrangement of money rather than the production of useful goods, and as long as we don’t even try to tax them at normal, historic rates of taxation, we will run out of money.

    This is a plan that was laid out most clearly by Grover Norquist decades ago: “I’m not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” His plan has been working. Dumbing down the population is a critical part of this program, so it’s understandable that paying teachers at 2x the per capita income would seem to be a terrible mistake to people who like Grover.

  35. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    I think the teachers are funded by property taxes Mitch, which are fairly predictable if left alone by Sacramento. I am no fan of investment bankers either but I don’t think the ca personal income tax rates have changed much, have they?

  36. Plain Jane
    September 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    hmmm my previous post must be in moderation.
    That was very well said, Mitch. Again, this is an issue of allocation of resources and how we determine the value of different labor skills.

  37. Plain Jane
    September 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Fewer people working and paying taxes, lower wages, and increased need for social programs are likely to cause budget problems. How much should be cut to avoid raising taxes on the only people who can afford to pay them without cutting off the economic fuel of the masses for whom higher taxes (or loss of their mortgage deduction) would be painful.

  38. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    713,

    California Education Budget Fact Sheet: http://www.cde.ca.gov/fg/fr/eb/cefedbudget.asp

    Per pupil expenditures by region: http://febp.newamerica.net/k12/rankings/ppexpend

    Note that California’s per pupil expenditure has changed from $6,600 in 2001 to $8,500 in 2008 to $7,200 in 2011.

    From the second link:

    Per-pupil spending—which includes funding from federal, state, and local sources—ranged from as little as $6,612 in Utah to as much as $19,698 in the District of Columbia in the 2008-09 school year. The five states with the highest average per-pupil spending—the District of Columbia, New York, New Jersey, Alaska, and Connecticut—averaged $17,045 per student. This amount was over twice that of the five states with the lowest average per-pupil expenditures. These states—Utah , Idaho, Oklahoma, Arizona, and Tennessee—averaged just $7,506 per student.

    Finally, there’s pretty excellent material put up by the Brown administration here:
    http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/

  39. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    I don’t see anything in moderation, PJ.

  40. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Problem is, pj, you raise the taxes too much and they leave. i think that is a large part of the problem we face now. many businesses have left ca or expand to our neighbor states, rather than growing here.

    is per pupil spending the same as teacher salaries? if the info i posted and the info you posted are both accurate we have the highest paid teachers and spend the least on pupils?

  41. September 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    If low taxes attract business, then the right-wing, neighboring states of Arizona and Nevada should be doing quite well, but obviously they’re not. We need a constitutional convention in California so that we can rid ourselves of Prop 13 and other bad initiatives.

  42. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    713,

    Here are teacher salaries by state, with something called a “comfort index” that presumably adjusts for cost of living… http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/

  43. What Now
    September 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    “I’m not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.”
    Mitch, this was ma statement originally made by Holmes Tuttle, leader of Ronalad reagan’s “kitchen cabinet:” and one of the plotters in dismatling a very functional California by foisting Reagan on the state before moveing him on to Washington to destroy the entire country.

  44. What Now
    September 29, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    From Not A Native:

    “The pot growers claim…”
    You just proved my point, NAN.You really need to widen your circle to include more than pot growers.

  45. jr
    September 29, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Holmes Tuttle–would you buy a used Ford from this man?

  46. September 29, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Mitch and Jane, if it helps to know, I’ve had whole posts just disappear – nothing there after posting, and no words either about moderation.

    My theory (not a physics one) is getting to be that there is a silent timeout in responding to pages on the website, so that if you take too long, are interrupted, etc….

    I just take a copy of all before posting now, in case of needing to try again.

  47. Mitch
    September 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Narration,

    Maybe wordpress just wants to keep a percent or two of the comments for itself. It’s happened to me as well, and it’s frustrating. Sometimes the browser’s back arrow gets you back to the page you were filling out, sometimes it doesn’t. It’s always a good idea to copy anything long, and the disappearances only happen — of course — once I become trustful and lazy again and don’t bother to make that copy.

  48. Plain Jane
    September 29, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    So Caliornia cut per pupil funding by $1300 from 2008 to 2011 and California is below average in funding, 713? You don’t think they’ve been cut enough? If we can’t raise property taxes to pay for the basics like public schools, then we need a different revenue source and legislators with the guts to tap it, whatever it is. These kids only have one chance to get a good education, playing political games with their futures is despicable.

  49. September 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Yes, I’ve had that thought too.

    It’s probably just Skynet beginning to wake up ;)

  50. September 29, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    We’re Doooooooooooooooooomed!

  51. September 29, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    We humans are learning a very hard lesson and having to learn it fast, as nature’s siren is getting louder: “Warning! Failure to Adapt.” Only a new kind of leader-ship will save the day. The world cannot have peace unless we change our ways. The solution does not lie in the problem. It’s too late for business-as-usual approach. It’s often hard to warn people when they see no reason not to perpetuate the System they have learned to survive or thrive in. It’s all too easy to get into a frame where we are replacing or up-dating parts, but not attending to the relevance of the System and where its taking us.

  52. What Now
    September 29, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Ronald Reagan managed to sabotage the California infratucture via line item veto.He racked up a record debt for Califonia during his tenure while sdlashing services and giving tax funds to corporate cronies like the dairy advisory board, the cattlemen’s assciation, and the association of rice exporters.
    Governor Jerry Brown barely started to get the state back on it’s feet before the twin shysters Howard Jarvis (one of the state’s largest private apartment owners) and Paul Gann (who managed to bankrupt at least two businesses in the central valley) fosited the idiocy of proposition 13 on the voters. Services were slashed as “user fees” were instituted and the crown jewel of Califoirnia, it’s college and university system, was turned over to like-minded pillagers who began charging more for delivering less and upping their own salaries, accounts, and benefit packages.
    California last saw a budget surlus under George Duekmejian who declared that government shouldn’t be in the business of running a savings account and refunded money to tax payers. Most individuals recieved less than $300, Santa Fe and Pacific Holding reaped several million each as did a few others.
    Following THAT disaterous administration, Pete Wilson showed-up to gut what was left of the state on behalf of The Liberty Lobby, The American Enterprise Institute and other reich wing think tanks and helped lobbyists draft the energy legislation that gave California rolling black outs and record bills for far less service than ever. Wilson was supported by the new found tactic pioneered in D.C. by Senate Minority leader Bob Dole in threatening to filibuster anything that threatened corporations, speculators, and other parasites.Pete Wilson now works for that very same lobbying firm as a legal advisor.
    THOSE are the greedy, NAN.They’ve done far more damage to this state and this country than ANY communists ever did, foreign OR doemstic.

  53. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    You can raise taxes, pj. put it on the ballot.

  54. 713
    September 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    So the ca teachers rank in the top 5 In pay, but the students are in the bottom 50%, and the state is at the the lower end of the per pupil spending. interesting. first thing that comes to mind is class sizes, maybe they are larger here? what are these other states spending so much money on, if not teacher salaries?

  55. September 30, 2012 at 8:14 am

    O.K., I see said the blind man as he picked-up his nails. You believe you’re talking commerce, i.e. taxes, schools, Supes., health etc. To discuss commerce, which is the law of the sea, you must first speak the same language. And, as we have been all-the-way dumbed down (mindless), you/we can yak about Corporate Commercial Taxes til time’s end, however it’s still foreign to the living. As we are living souls, on the land, projecting our selves into a physical experience, yet slave-speaking in Babylon.

    If we want control of our lives, we must take control of our language. The linguistics of corporations is past/future tense. We live in the Now – always.

    A 2% Tea Tax once started a rebellion. We’re at 59% my friends.

    It’s too late to do business-as-usual.

  56. September 30, 2012 at 8:34 am

    http://cafr1.com/TheVoid.html

    Budgets are like a hot dog as compared to the twin towers in relation to all the wealth that has been confiscated through greed and deceit. Walter Burien has been sounding the alarm for many years Although Walter has 3200 on his email list, this info moves forward very rapidly through everyone’s separate groups.

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