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Group seeks Eureka Fair Wage Act

From Bill Holmes:

Eureka residents who filed a peoples’ initiative this summer called the Eureka Fair Wage Act urge you to get involved in the collection of signatures. If passed through a popular vote, the Eureka Fair Wage Act, also called the Minimum Wage Act, would require large employers with 25 or more workers in Eureka to pay a 12 dollar minimum wage.

Eureka Fair Wage Act proponents assert that a higher minimum wage, with a small business exception, will improve lives, make Walmart reconsider its presence in Eureka, boost the local economy, bring employment up, and allow individuals who work full time to rise just above the federal poverty level.

Fair Wage Act proponents are currently collecting signatures to get the initiative on the ballot and need your help.

Meetings for the Eureka Fair Wage Act are every Tuesday at 6:15 pm in the basement of the Eureka Labor Temple, 840 E Street. More information can be found and questions answered by visiting the Eureka Fair Wage Act website, http://fairwages.org, or by calling 707-442-7465. If you are interested in collecting signatures or helping the campaign in any way, wherever you live, please get in contact. All work for the Eureka Fair Wage Act is volunteer.

TEXT OF THE ACT: http://urlet.com/ten.hence

$12.00 an hour minimum wage for large employers



  1. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 7:35 am

    So let me run some numbers for you.
    Business X allocates $50k a month for labor.
    X pays $10/ hour to its 31 workers.
    NOW X has to fire five (5) workers to cover this LAW. and pay the remaining 26 workers $12/hour.
    Thanks jerkoffs, you just cost Hernando, Larry, Lacy, Jan, and Jesus their jobs.
    (Hernando and Larry have an adopted four year old.)

    Business Y, is moving to its other property in the county. Now NO city taxes for Y to pay the city of Eureka. And no stupid wage laws to keep track of.

    Business Z, was looking at Eureka as a nice place to set up shop, but will go with site #2, in Fortuna, as a more business friendly environment.

  2. September 30, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Thumbs Up to my comrades in Eureka . . . you know who you are.

  3. September 30, 2012 at 7:45 am

    We are told by people who want to keep wages low that raising the minimum wage will cause employers to lay off workers. We are told that a business that employs 100 workers @ $8 an hour has a wage expense of $800 an hour, and if those workers are paid $10.00 an hour then the company can only employ 80 workers for that hour.

    Well think about it. What is wrong with this picture? Well it leaves out company profits. The above scenario assumes of course that company profits are sacred and must be untouched. We have seen both the minimum wage and the average wages for American workers decline over the last 40 years. If the above scenario were true, there should have been an increase in employment rates because workers are cheaper! But instead we have the highest corporate profits in history and the highest unemployment in 75 years!

    That is because the increases in worker productivity over the last decades have been captured into corporate profits and have not been shared with workers. This is truly “redistribution of wealth” – from the working poor and middle class into the pockets of the rich corporate elite.

    The cost of labor is just one of the costs of production. Suppose that the company is making widgets, and each widget requires the company to purchase one thingamajig as a component to make the widget, and the thingamajigs cost $8.00 each. Suppose the thingamajig supplier announces a $2.00 price increase. Will the company then make only 80 widgets instead of 100? Of course not, because their profits would suffer. They will still have to buy 100 widgets and spend the extra money. The same is true with employees. The company above is employing 100 employees because they need 100 employees to produce what they are producing. If you think that the company is employing 20 extra employees out of kindness you are mistaken. If they cut back on employees they will be cutting back on profits.

    Large companies and corporations have been so profitable for the last few years because they have been able to raise the prices for the goods they sell and they have been able to drive wages down. They can’t have it both ways.

    have a peaceful day,

  4. A pesky fact
    September 30, 2012 at 7:57 am

    This thread reveals all the problems with our public education.

    If you think 12/h is such a great idea and a superior business practice, how about you run your own business and pay everyone 12/h?

    We should not be required to pay for the out of control ego of badly educated babies. We get it. You want to FORCE people to agree with you and share your beliefs. Maybe if we pass these laws your failed ideas might somehow work.


  5. September 30, 2012 at 8:02 am

    The Eureka Fair Wage Act will require employers with 25 employees or more to pay $12.00 an hour. Smaller mom & pops, businesses with under 25 employees will be able to go on paying the state minimum wage of $8.00 an hour. Or perhaps “pesky” you are one of those who thinks there should be NO minimum wage?

    have a peaceful day,

  6. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Apparently Bill missed economics 101. You are putting to much “feeling” into your examination of the issue. Waaa Waaaa Waaa, he makes more money than me!!!! The sacred profit margin is an incentive to have a business in the first place. Even the elet of the great communist nations lived like kings. Non of them went hungry as their comrads staved to death.

    So it come down to simple economics. Cost to do business. When we keep tapping into the artery of profit; taxes, stupid laws and regulation, insurance, excessive wages, retirement, litigation, etc, you will eventually kill or drive off the business.

  7. September 30, 2012 at 8:14 am

    How did American business survive 1968? That’s the year the minimum wage had its highest value in the last 50 years. Its value was over $10.00 an hour then, even with the discounted CPI. American business must have had its profits sucked dry by “excessive wages!” It must have been a close call, right Ponder?

    have a peaceful day,

  8. Hum Bizzer
    September 30, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Profit? What profit? My business provides a living and pays the taxes, including my own SS at twice the payroll tax as employees and 100% of my family health-care costs. My one employee makes about $20 per hour. Go ahead, raise the minimum wage. It won’t hurt my profits.

  9. September 30, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Hum Bizzer,

    You are confirming our position. Your business will be unaffected by the Eureka Fair Wage Act, except that 1,500 or so of your local customers will be making a few thousand $ more per year, injecting $2,500,000 at least per annum directly into the local economy.

    Also you are confirming the idea that most local businesses already pay more than minimuim wage. The Eureka Fair Wage Act will level the playing field for local mom and pops.

    This is a win win for local workers and the small local entrepreneurs. We are seeking local business support. We know that there are local business owners who are smart enough to understand basic economics. Contact us. info@fairwages.org

    have a peaceful day,

  10. A pesky fact
    September 30, 2012 at 8:35 am


    Ignoring a whole host of other problems with this idea, there is this:

    Cost to employ is different from cost to pay. At 8 an hour to pay, in Cali, it can easily cost 15/h to employ. You’ve got SS, various insurances (unemployment, liability, workers comp), almost all of which scale. So at 12/h to pay, it can easily hit 22/h to employ.

    That’s a 7/h increase. At 40/h/w, we’re talking an increase of 280 per week per full time employee. To make math easy let’s call it 300, extra bookwork and bank fees.

    300 times 25 employees, that’s an extra 7500 per week. 50 working weeks per year gives us an increases expense of 350,000 per year.

    What this really is, is a proposal to bankrupt people that arent politically correct enough. That’s not the purpose of our laws, and it will hurt workers.

    At 12/h, 600/w, 30,000/y you also are close to pushing that worker into a new tax bracket. You’ve kicked their wage up so high that they lose all their public benefits, and realize a net negative to their total yearly net income.

    I like the idea if helping the little guy.

    This proposal doesn’t do that. For more snark consult my first post. This is a bad idea. And bad politics. STOP TRYING TO HURT PEOPLE! Good intentions are not good enough.

  11. Mitch
    September 30, 2012 at 8:36 am

    The standard “supply and demand” economic argument applies to markets where all participants have equal negotiating strength. I don’t pretend to know what would happen if a fair wage were implemented in Eureka and not surrounding towns, but I do know that there is much more to the economics than what we learn in high school textbooks.

    There has been class warfare from the top against the 99% for several decades now, and virtually all of the increased productivity has gone to profits rather than wages. The result has torn at our democratic system and dismantled the middle class.

    There are a few stable states that might evolve.

    One is a two part society, where the wealthy live in gated communities with tight security and private services to maintain acceptable standards while the public version of non-security services continues to be reduced: private schools, exclusive clubs, exclusive private parks, exclusive, expensive private hospitals, etc… Another is a return to the post-WWII path, where a grateful society made sure that some of the nation’s wealth went to education for everyone and implemented FDR’s new deal around wealth, which raised taxes on the wealthy, built a safety net for the poor, and played extremely tough against a backwards, reactionary Supreme Court.

    I’ve stayed in a private home in an “upper middle class” neighborhood in Lima, Peru, where the home was walled and surrounded by barbed wire and there were beggars living in tents in the street outside. Flourishing terrorist groups had support from many of the poor, because the poor understood that the system had ignored them and didn’t have any hope from the non-terrorists. Not as pleasant as the places I’ve stayed in various western European countries, where essentially everyone has access to comfortable shelter and has some buy-in with the system, even recognizing it might be imperfect and unfair.

    We’ve been headed in the direction of Lima for several decades. People — even wealthy people — were not happy with the way things had developed in Lima. It’s hard to be comfortable when you have to live behind barbed wire and worry about the next act of terrorism. I stayed one night at a moderately priced hotel right in the downtown, and it was an extraordinarily elegant building from the 1920s that would have fit right in in mid-Manhattan, except for the fact that it had been completely wrecked inside, you could not use the elevator, you could not expect safe water or electricity. The traffic outside left a huge impression on me, because it was every car for itself; traffic would constantly form deadlocks at intersections, because people were unwilling to cooperate or yield. It was like living in a scene from Mad Max.

    Which society we end up in is going to depend on the decisions we make. Equally as important as being fair, they have to be pragmatic, recognizing the realities of mobile capital and not ignoring those realities just because they make it harder to find pragmatic solutions. A lot of the left is comfortable coming up with “solutions” that are more or less guaranteed to fail, because the solutions seem (and are) more fair and just than the current situation, and the supporters are unwilling to think through the likely outcomes, instead focusing on their personal fantasies about what the outcomes “should” be. They then fail to distinguish between, on the one hand, people who don’t accept guaranteed failure and, on the other, people for whom justice is a bad thing, because it means their taxes might go up. This has been a huge failing of the American left, and many people stopped trusting it long ago, precisely because of this failing.

    You have to do something, but you also need to work for things that can work, not things that will end up failing and discrediting their proponents, pushing more and more people into the hands of, basically, fascism. I’m at a loss as to what the “something” is, so I’m not about to bash those who come up with decent-sounding proposals. I would urge them, though, to give equal thought to practicality as to justice.

    Here’s an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on the minimum wage:

    An alternate view of the labor market has low-wage labor markets characterized as monopsonistic competition wherein buyers (employers) have significantly more market power than do sellers (workers). This monopsony could be a result of intentional collusion between employers, or naturalistic factors such as segmented markets, search costs, information costs, imperfect mobility and the ‘personal’ element of labor markets. In such a case the diagram above would not yield the quantity of labor clearing and the wage rate. This is because while the upward sloping aggregate labor supply would remain unchanged, instead of using the downward labor demand curve shown in the diagram above, monopsonistic employers would use a steeper downward sloping curve corresponding to marginal expenditures to yield the intersection with the supply curve resulting in a wage rate lower than would be the case under competition. Also, the amount of labor sold would also be lower than the competitive optimal allocation.
    Such a case is a type of market failure and results in workers being paid less than their marginal value. Under the monopsonistic assumption, an appropriately set minimum wage could increase both wages and employment, with the optimal level being equal to the marginal productivity of labor.[26] This view emphasizes the role of minimum wages as a market regulation policy akin to antitrust policies, as opposed to an illusory “free lunch” for low-wage workers.

  12. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 8:48 am

    So Bill, in 68 we got a 26% increase in the MW. But you are comparing a 1968 dollar “then” to a dollar now. Its worth less now. It buys less now. In 68 business had a stronger dollar to work with, and could offset the forced wage. Labor was in demand, business was booming. Nobody had been outsourced, it was good to have a business in the US. So no Bil, the profit margin was quite safe. The socialists had not destroyed profit yet.

  13. A pesky fact
    September 30, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Bill, I’m not opposed to min. wage in principle.

    What I am opposed to is moral hazards. Here is the thing. Not everyone does what the government says just because the government says so.

    So when the minimum wage raises too far above what the market will sustain, people just go to the underground economy. Our immigrant friends are a prime example of this.

    Once employees go underground there is no longer safeguards like workers comp, unemployment insurance, employment law and OSHA protections, etc.

    Those are all good things, and they all raise the cost to employ per hour. When you push people underground those go away, and they qualify for extra sorts of public assistance, which further subsidizes tge employer who is breaking the law. And at this point you have created a total moral hazard, where everyone makes money off breaking the law, and no one is incentivized to follow it. Then Jose is injuredon the job, dropped off at tge hospital, and who pays?

    The suckers dumb enough to not be underground too. Moral hazards on a big scale (wall street with the bailouts, for example). Forcing minimum wage artificially high (and minimum employment cost artificially high) is it occurring on a small scale.

    We all know that no one intends to enforce employment law on the underground economy, as it hasn’t happened in California since the 60s, when enforcing laws became racist. Or potato. Or something.

    So, in conclusion, proposals like this make things worse.

    Also, we all know this is aimed at Wal Mart and a few others. Grow up. Stop trying to use the law to destroy people whose politics you don’t like. It’s immature and it hurts society and the rule of law.

  14. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 8:51 am

    And I have not even put the Pesky Facts of “employment cost” on the table, Bill. Way bigger factor now than in 1968.
    Thanks PF.

  15. September 30, 2012 at 8:55 am


    You are advocating in favor of a social safety net for people and against paying people enough so they can get off of welfare? You are some strange kind of conservative! I think what you are really defending is government subsidy of big business through needed social progams – needed because these corporate “jobs” like Walmart provides are so low paying. IE continued corporate welfare. This is a “nanny state” for sure, nannies for corporate cheapskate cry babies

    have a peaceful day,

  16. September 30, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Well Pesky since you are not opposed to the minimum wage “in principle” what do you think the minimum wage should be set at? Is $8.00 an hour too high?

    have a peaceful day,

  17. Anonymous
    September 30, 2012 at 9:05 am

    This new mandate would apply only to employers with more than 25 employees? Why only them? Why is it $12 and not $25? I’ll tell you what will happen. Every Eureka employer with more than 25 employees in Eureka will either move out of Eureka or fire enough employees to get under the limit. This law is stupid and thought up by people who have never run a business in their lives.

  18. A pesky fact
    September 30, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Dayum, I am on a caffeine fueled roll.

    Mitch, there are 300 million Americans. There are 6 billion Earthlings. Americans are 5% of the world.

    Newsflash, you are the 1%.

    In addition, may I suggest a very short read?


    Not trying to be condescending or anything. It is widely regarded as a classic, and not a few persons lament it’s removal from the classroom for more politically correct texts. You’ve shown a real willingness to understand and acknowledge flaws in modern lib/program thinking, and this may help you significantly in understanding the economic thinking of conservatives.

    It even has a whole section on why government subsidized housing loans are extra-double-plus-ungood, because they create a simultaneous micro AND macro moral hazard, and can thus lead to a massive inflationary bubble capable of wrecking society when it pops.

    Not bad for a book from 1946.

    Btw, how wax it that Americans came to accept high taxes, etc, in an era when they also elected Ike? I’ll tell you the secret. Conservatives will suppository taxes if the underlying economic policy doesn’t sux.

  19. September 30, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Well anonymous you are wrong on several counts.

    I have run a business successfully and I believe several other people in our group have as well.

    Secondly we are not asking for $25 an hour. Your question is a familiar red herring. What we say (and we have clear scientific and real world evidence to back it up) is that a modest rise in the minimum wage will result in modest growth to local economies, regardless of the minimum wage in surrounding areas.

    And I challenge you to name an employer of more that 25 employees who will move out of Eureka if they must pay 12 dollars an hour. We would love to know who they are.

    have a peaceful day,

  20. September 30, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Typical media-saturated, Neo-Con-alligned response: “F-U Libtard! How dare you try to improve my lot in life! It’s my right to work for slave wages, and you Obummer-drones dare to even suggest that we touch the bonus/pay package of the CEO and CFO? How dare you! Don’t you know how difficult it is to find a CEO willing to run a corporation into bankruptcy for a measly 27million a year? What’s next? I suppose you’re going to say I should be getting health care, you bastards! Keep your hands off my wealthy-masters! Stop infringing on my right to die of a preventable disease in an emergency room! Stay away from my right to have to borrow a hundred thousand dollars for an education that most countries treat as a human right! Stop trying to raise my standard of living! Don’t you realize that if we raise the living standard of struggling workers, our corporate masters might have to trade in the $300,000 Lamborgini for some $100,000 Jaguar? You monster! don’t you realize they’re made by Ford? Yeah, you’ll get my social security raised up to the poverty level…when you pry the remote-control from my cold dead fingers!”

  21. Mitch
    September 30, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I may look at it, pesky fact, but economics pre-1970 is largely a mathematical theory fraudulently applied to humans by using known-false assumptions.

    You might learn something yourself right off of Wikipedia,


    or any of the emerging economic textbooks that leave “the rational man” behind, where it belongs, in the realm of idealistic fantasy.

  22. A pesky fact
    September 30, 2012 at 9:25 am


    Firstly, I am advocating AGAINST a particular bad idea.

    Secondly, social safety nets are a reality that won’t be changing. I’m not about tilting at windmills. Unless I’m drunk, riding a donkey, and am near a windmill. I’m merely acknowledging reality.

    Third, I am terribly opposed to the government subsidies of which you speak. You are correct when you point out how many of our welfare programs for people are actually corporate/business welfare, by making possible the artificial suppression of wages.

    Fourth, as for the actual minimum wage, we first need to make changes to the business and economic environment so that more employees can be employed. The cost to employers continues to escalate out of control in California. The state has become a vampire, sucking the economic lifeblood out of our communities.

    Fifth, workers not happy with their wages? And they’re local? Time to suck it up and trim for 150-200 a day. Beats 8 and 12 an hour.

  23. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Customers are what make businesses profitable. When you have fewer consumers because of high unemployment / low wages, your business is less profitable. Outsourcing or cutting jobs increases the profit, but it also decreases demand for your products. Surveys of business owners from factories to retail say that what keeps them from hiring more people is lack of demand, not taxes and not regulations. Cutting funding for public employees to pay for cut taxes on the rich just drives consumer demand even lower. Cutting funding for teachers and schools at a time when we should be doing everything we can to prepare our kids for a world that requires always more knowledge and skills is insane. Our current path is a downward spiral that benefits only the very rich. Cutting taxes and raising wages for people who work for their money and spend most of it helps everyone by reducing the govt. programs they need to survive (subsidizing their employer’s profits), business profits, job creation, tax revenue, etc. Cutting taxes on the rich only further concentrates wealth at the top where most of it does nothing to create jobs, but does a great deal to further their political power and ability to further concentrate their wealth.

    Those who have no problem asking the children of the poor to risk their lives for their country while they scream when asked to pay a little more in taxes (which wouldn’t affect their lives in the slightest) have no shame or patriotism and we certainly shouldn’t be expending precious resources (our children or our treasury) to guarantee the safety and profitability of their offshore investments. These sociopaths are American in name only and have no loyalty to anything but money and power and they can never have enough of either. If they want to give up their citizenship and move elsewhere, fine with me; but moving their businesses to red welfare states (those which receive more in federal money than the total of all federal tax receipts from that state) is just sucking tax dollars from the federal teat and they should be penalized for doing so.

    Revolution against the “overlords” can be peaceful if gross imbalance isn’t left to fester too long. FDR effectively pacified the masses with federal work programs and Social Security and WWII did the rest by reducing the number of working age men and providing the majority with educational opportunities through the GI bill which enabled millions of working class veterans to join the middle class. Taxes were greatly increased on the rich as wages rose for the working class and the economy boomed. When the will of the majority is being subverted by huge campaign donations from opponents of the majority will (tax increases on the wealthy, universal health care, well funded schools, safe communities and secure retirements, etc) widespread anger and the potential for violence increases. We need a balanced approach which limits the ability to hoard vast wealth with low taxes because that is a danger to both our democracy and economy, taxes adequate to pay for the needs of a first world country – whatever those needs or level required.

    The GOP is full of Marie Antoinettes, completely lacking empathy for ordinary people whose lives and communities have been and will be economically wrecked by greed for wealth and power and believing the masses will just peacefully adapt to increasing privation. Maybe they have some sort of Laffer curve that correlates peasant mentality with poor education? That would explain a lot.

  24. Mitch
    September 30, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Also, pesky fact, as far as America vs the world… yes, Americans have had the dubious benefit of living in a sheltered workshop of sorts for the three decades after World War II. I’m aware of that. But the past few decades have been an experiment in what happens when capital becomes mobile and labor does not. Perhaps you think it will be just fine for your “captains of industry” to have their own micro-society — you sound a bit like someone who would find life on a tax-free man-made island exciting, and you could build your space elevator there, and become rich beyond your wildest dreams by running a fleet of asteroid miners.

    The reality is a bit harsher, though. Long before American incomes drop to the level now seen among the billions, there is guaranteed to be a revolution, or several. The result will be, as you put it earlier, very. bad. things.

    My best guess is they will lead to the establishment of a fascist police state and the creation of a new aristocracy that is dumb enough to think itself a meritocracy, because it’s been taught how wonderful it is at one or the other of our disastrous “top” colleges, which have educated a generation into how much fun destruction and sociopathy can be.

    That’s more or less what I expect. You sound smart enough that you’d probably be miserable in such a society, once you discovered what it would really be like. Unfortunately, as it solidifies it will be too late to turn back. I understand why it might not sound bad to you at all right now.

  25. September 30, 2012 at 9:40 am

    @ A Pesky Fact,
    With all due respect, “. . . there is no longer ‘safeguards’ like worker’s comp insurance, unemployment insurance, employment law (insurance), and OSHA (insurance) protection etc.”

    Insurance (the vowel thing for one), is based on fear. There are no guarantees.

    You tellin me that we, as parts of the Divine, can’t live on without False Evidence Appearing Real?

    Bill KNOWS his stuff. Is this not the question?

  26. September 30, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Thanks jerkoffs, you just cost Hernando, Larry, Lacy, Jan, and Jesus their jobs.

    Oh yes, PonderZ really cares about Hernando and Jesus.

  27. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 10:05 am

    The labor of foreigners educated by their home countries is movable, Mitch. Under funding our schools and training programs enables employers to claim a shortage of domestic talent to justify employment-based visas for people who will work for much less for multiple reasons than domestically trained personnel, another circle in the downward spiral.

  28. Mitch
    September 30, 2012 at 10:33 am

    It’s a matter of degree, PJ. It takes a microsecond and a keystroke to move $100 million in capital; by any comparison, it’s much harder to move a substantial labor force. But you’re right, labor can travel.

  29. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 10:36 am

    F Queen, you high righ noaw anntya?

  30. September 30, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Well, at least PonderZ is right about one thing.

  31. September 30, 2012 at 10:52 am

    I have run a business for nine years, with employees who were hired as needed for labor. Either myself, or my husband contracted with our employees. Basically, a contract at common law is a meeting of the minds and performance. On paper it would be, signed in red ink, on the land, anywhere on Turtle Island, with full disclosure, with full knowledge and intent. Capacity, consent, consideration and a lawful object must be present for a valid contract. I had no use for so-called insurance.

    The Constitution in Article I, Section 10, clause 1, it states in the last sentence: . . . States “may not pass any Law impairing the Obligation of contracts . . .”

    “Every citizen and free man is endowed with certain rights and privileges to enjoy which no written law or statute is required. These are fundamental rights recognized among all free people.” U.S. v Morris, 125 F 322, 325.

    Codes are not positive law. They are ‘color of law’ i.e. without substance. Codes are private foreign-owned copyrighted. Hence, the usual arrest is based on trespassing on copyright.

    ‘Acts,’ are just that, an act.

    When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change – Wayne Dyer

    We’ve got to get back to the garden – Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.

  32. September 30, 2012 at 10:54 am

    California Has the Lowest Minimum Wage on the West Coast

    California $8.00

    Oregon $8.80 (going up to $8.95)

    Washington $9.04 (going up to $9.19)

    Nevada $8.25


  33. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I am more familiar with Oregon than Washington, but my impression is that small businesses seem to be thriving in neighborhoods and downtown. There was a study done years ago when Washington state raised their minimum wage considerably above Oregon and Idaho and put in place a cost of living adjustment. All the dire predictions of business closures and higher unemployment proved false. In fact, small businesses in Washington saw over 10% increase in profits, yet opponents of minimum wage laws still claim it hurts business to pay more for labor.

  34. September 30, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Plain Jane,
    “Revolution against the “overlords” can be peaceful if gross imbalance isn’t left to fester too long.” And, “We need a balanced approach.” Yes, yes.

    We don’t have to fight to be free, just stop serving. Everything we want is down stream.

  35. September 30, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Plain Jane,
    “Revolution against the “overlords” can be peaceful if gross imbalance isn’t left to fester too long.” And, “We need a balanced approach.” Yes, yes.

    I feel I must post this link of today:
    This is what I’m talkin about when I refer to contracts between the living.

    We don’t have to fight to be free, just stop serving. Everything we want is downstream.

  36. September 30, 2012 at 11:34 am

    pesky says at 835

    “What this really is, is a proposal to bankrupt people that arent politically correct enough. That’s not the purpose of our laws, and it will hurt workers.”

    Who are you talking about Pesky? Do you think that Walmart will be bankrupted by paying $12.00 an hour to its 150 or so workers in Eureka? We have actual scientific studies that prove otherwise, just in case you are interested.

    have a peaceful day,

  37. September 30, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Ponder Z,

    My proverbial reply: and your point is?

  38. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Can an opponent of minimum wage explain why people should be paid less than adequate to survive? Shouldn’t minimum wage be sufficient to support a person in a decent manner without government subsidies? How can one person’s labor be worth multi-millions a year for shuffling papers while another person’s hard labor isn’t worth the price of a decent life? Why should the paper shuffling millionaire pay a lower tax rate than a plumber? His ability to buy legislation and tax policy for his benefit doesn’t make it right. “Broadening the tax base” without increasing the jobs available or the wages for those jobs is another circle in the downward spiral.

  39. September 30, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Let us not forget. Opponents of raising wages for the working poor always say the costs will be passed on to consumers. But what happens when a CEO’s pay is raised from $100,000 a year to $1,000,000 a year? Isn’t that cost passed along to consumers?

    Wage cost is wage cost no matter whether it is paid to struggling workers or fat cats. Its like comparing apples……and apples.

    http://fairwages.org info@fairwages.org

    have a peaceful day

  40. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 11:53 am

    It seems unrealistic to expect people obsessed with the accumulation of wealth to do anything that isn’t self-serving, country be damned. Our most recent example, of course, is the trickle down that didn’t and never will. The only way to decrease vast wealth accumulation and it’s devastating effects on our economy is to make it more expensive. That would, at least, help to offset the economic damage of their greed.

  41. Anonymous
    September 30, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Trying to control how commerce is done won’t work here. Jobs will leave instead of paying more, if the company can’t handle it. This would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. In my business, we pay high wages compared to minimum, starting at $14 and on up to $30. This is because the type of jobs we have employ people with specific skills, and most with licenses to perform that skill, which they were professionally trained to do. We might need to let one go, as our business is down. Businesses without skilled workers can’t pay what we pay, or their prices would have to increase for the goods and services they charge. It costs so much money to run a business these days. I would like everyone to make a certain amount, but you can’t force it to happen, just like you can’t force everyone to be employed, even if they want to be. There aren’t enough jobs to go around.

  42. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    There is no doubt that $900,000 would be a much greater benefit to the economy if it was through the worker’s paychecks than the CEO’s, Bill, even if he didn’t do some fancy accounting and park it offshore.

    Here are 2 articles about peer benchmarking, one from just the other day with results of a study confirming what a scam it is.



  43. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    11:57, do you think people would just do without those services and products if businesses leave? Don’t you think if people who are working had more disposable income they would increase demand and create more jobs? Cutting your taxes isn’t going to create more jobs and it won’t keep you from laying off more workers if your demand doesn’t justify them.

  44. September 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    That’s my point . . .”trying to control commerce,” which is International Admiralty Law, the Merchant’s rule, ordered by the Post Master Generals on the land, is not what worth for labor is. You’re confusing the sea of commerce (guilty until proven innocent) with the civil law of the land.

    Enough of us Standing, by way of our ‘will,’ will force. United we stand, correct?

    Standing means =

  45. September 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Anon @ 1157,

    Your business will be unaffected since you already pay substantially more than $12 an hour, so your business won’t be leaving. Can you give us the name of one employer with 25 or more employees that will leave Eureka because they will have to pay $12 an hour?

    For you, it will mean more money in the pockets of your customers. That part is simple. Maybe you will even be able hire a new worker or two instead of laying someone off.

    Again, if there are any local small businesses who have the vision to see the benefit of higher wages and more purchasing power for local workers we would welcome their support.

    Contact us at info@fairwages.org

    have a peaceful day,

  46. SHTF
    September 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    It’s not only poor people that are suffering in this depression. There are a lots of
    ex-Republicans who are suffering too. Hurts when you realize you’ve been lied to for 30 years, and you believed…….

  47. September 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    It’s not about wealth, it’s about control, no matter what the cost. The thing is here, that, there can be no healing without forgiveness. We have to re-learn to live our life without interference. They are the actors on the world stage, let them play (This is what they desire for themselves), what does it have to do with who we are? Give them the permission to settle the claims – he who makes the mess should have to clean up after themselves.

    Corpus delicti, no injured party no offense, show me the injured party. Personal responsibility, without limited liability (the ability to lie via i nsurance), fully cognizant of our actions, and hold my/yourself responsible for such. Then our de jure courts will return to Commercial Admiralty dis-agreements where the courts started. Only when contracts are valid can they be adjudicated in a court of ‘law.’

  48. Just Watchin
    September 30, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Gee Queenie….. since you say there is no such things as Workers Comp, unemployment insurance, and OSHA insurance protection, could you share your company’s name and how much per hour you paid your employees, so that it can be properly researched??

    I didn’t think so……

  49. Anonymous
    September 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    It will drive small businesses (that liberals think of as big businesses) to Arcata, Fortuna and even McKinleyville. A job that requires little or no experience isn’t going to be paid out at $12/hour. Teenagers working in Eureka will love this though. Think of it, earning $12 for working a hamburger assembly line.

  50. September 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    In this New American Century, many of the “Skilled” occupations are being “dumbed down.” While there is still a need for carpenters and cabinet makers, the multi-nationals [MN’s] are working hard to replace custom work with pre-fabricated building components. We are seeing less and less skilled cabinet-makers and more and more, “Cabinet-Installation-Specialists.” This has happened in the sign-business in my life-time. Companies like National 3M and Roland have taken a lot of the profit away from the artist that made the signs by hand and only had to buy paint and boards; to a situation where most “signmakers” are really “Sign-Installers” who must buy the equipment supplied by those MNs to even make a sign. So the skilled craftsman is now merely an Applicator. And even those days are numbered, since new technology is coming out every year that is doing away with even that necessity.
    T-Shirt printing is another area where the MN is taking away the profit-making ability of local shops. The MN’s have moved into the custom t-shirt business with a vengeance. You can order a shirt with custom printing through the MN’s website and get it cheaper (printed in Asia) than your local printer can buy the blank shirt for.
    I do not lament the death of the old-time sign painter. I’m retraining. The same thing happened to “Wheelwrights” and livery stable owners when cars replaced buggies.
    I guess the lesson for me is that new technologies are moving all, I repeat: All, the profit away from local craftsman and producers, to global, multi-national corporations. There will still be a few plumbers, electricians, lock smiths, mechanics, etc. But they are going the way of the Dinosaur. Big Business is designing the future and that future does not include small independent businesses or services.
    All the ways in which a person took care of his own needs are being done away with. The Used auto parts market, for instance; has been severely curtailed through “special” laws passed that only serve MN’s. I guess it could be argued that pre-fabed construction items bought at Lowes and Home Depot, help the homeowner. And give him some independence from having to hire professionals. But what about the children of the plumbers? or the electricians? You’ll find a lot of ex-construction people working at Lowes for a fraction of the pay they used to get.
    I am no “Luddite” by any measure. I enjoy new technologies. But all of this new gadgetry has done nothing for the common working man. In fact, just the opposite. People today pay more a month for their phone, or their insurance; than their parents paid for their house.
    So instead of new technology being an instrument of freedom for the common people, it has merely increased the level of exploitation by big business and big government.

  51. Mitch
    September 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm


    It’s too true. It could, in theory, have been so different. I remember when I was in college, there were still people telling us how much increased leisure the new technologies would create, time for everyone to devote to artistic and leisure pursuits while making a good salary out of 10 or 20 hours of work a week. They were assuming that the benefits would be shared out across the population, instead of accruing primarily to the top percent of the top percent. I don’t know how they said those things with a straight face, but at least some of them were sincere.

  52. September 30, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Below the belt, labeled Just Watchin, who does more than just watch,

    what is your position here? I don’t mean on this blog, I mean what is your point in your life?

  53. Ponder z
    September 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    F Queen, it sounds like you use “independent contractors”, so you can circumvent all the stupid and ridiculous regulations and fees regular employers must deal with. Even I, a solid capitalist, would draw the line at this abuse of labor. you must be paying these “independent contractors” $35 to $55 an hour, so you dont feel guilty of this abuse. Or are you just a Simon Legree?
    Simon Legree Queen!

  54. Plain Jane
    September 30, 2012 at 7:08 pm
  55. Jack Sherman
    October 1, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Opponents to higher minimum wages always appeal to emotion without one iota of evidence that it lowers employment or harms the economy. All the actual research I’ve read concludes the opposite!

    It’s ALL politics…

    The rich could care less about the economy if they can put a few extra bucks in their pockets today. It would be like asking Obama to join the worldwide ban on Atrozine…and think he’d survive the Iowa corn-caucus….who cares how much cancer and species-collapse it has been linked to?

  56. Just Watchin
    October 1, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Queenie……I noticed that you didn’t answer my original question. I didn’t think that you would.

  57. October 1, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Perhaps the Queen has left the building?

    Thanks Jack Sherman. You are absolutely correct. (In my humble opinion.)
    I’ve always wondered whenever I see your posts, if you are the same “Dr.” Sherman involved in “Native American Studies?”

  58. October 1, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Ponder Z, Just Watchin, Joel . . .

    We have been dissolving from a 3 dimensional plain and are assimilating into the fifth. Our spirits are, in most cases, dragging with the body 3 D into a 5 D environment, which is causing distress. A room inside a room type of scenario . . . which can be confusing . . .
    as we have increased perceptions.

    Now the best we can do, is to see every being as kings and queens on the land, endowed/inheriting their rightful place on the earth, as the ambassador of the creator, the created, and its divinity.

    Adapt truth
    Vacate illusion

  59. Just Watchin
    October 1, 2012 at 9:58 am

    The Queen of Babble……never a straight answer. Did anyone understand what Queenie said??

  60. October 1, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Santa Fe Living Wage: A Case Study


    “The Santa Fe metropolitan area provides an ongoing real-time experiment in the impact of a fairly high minimum wage on the economy. Santa Fe currently has the strongest economy in New Mexico. Since April of this year, Santa Fe employers have been required to pay a minimum wage of $10.29 an hour.

    The Santa Fe Living Wage ordinance initially set the Santa Fe wage at $8.50 an hour in 2004. It was raised to $9.50 in 2006 and, because it is indexed, has increased at regular intervals since that time. The unemployment rate in Santa Fe County—at just 4.7 percent—is the lowest of New Mexico’s four metropolitan areas. Job growth in Santa Fe is now at 2.1 percent, which may not seem impressive until one considers that the other three metropolitan areas are still losing jobs. Most of the job growth was in the leisure and hospitality sector—the sector most affected by the living wage floor.

    The record in Santa Fe demonstrates that it is possible to have a fairly high cost of living and a fairly high minimum wage along with low unemployment and strong job growth.”


  61. October 1, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Just Watchin

    I only meant that when all think alike, no one is thinking very much.

  62. October 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Thanks for the link, Eurekawork. Paying low-wage workers more always boosts economies, because they spend it. It benefits everyone.

  63. October 1, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    The disingenuous suggestion from Republicans that rich people take their tax cuts and invest, thus creating jobs, isn’t very convincing, after decades of “job creators” not creating jobs.

  64. What Now
    October 1, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Just Watchin:
    “The Queen of Babble……never a straight answer. Did anyone understand what Queenie said??”
    Cliff’s Notes version:
    (and Delusional)
    Terrence McKenna babbled a lot of the same fluxus froth when gassed-out on ecstacy.

  65. Ponder z
    October 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    So FQ, you feel you dont need to pay comp on your “independent contractors”? But you expect the rest of us to follow the law and pay these fees. How will you slip out of paying for Obamacare? Retirement and time off? When you use the law to screw over people who work for you its ok, but if Arkley did this you would be looking for tar and feathers. And you avoid the question with body3Dintoa5DaskingsandqueensAdapt truthVacateillusion.

  66. October 2, 2012 at 6:09 am

    There are no re publicans, there are no democrats.
    As human consciousness evolves, it is capable of holding greater complexity. A more advanced awareness can see the context in which certain polarities cannot see themselves because they lack perspective and because they are caught in a dance of opposites.

  67. October 2, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Raising the Minimum Wage is Overwhelmingly Supported by the Public

    This June, a Zogby Analytics survey of likely voters found seven out of 10 supporting a raise above $10 an hour (including 54 percent of Republicans). Notably, 71 percent of young people (18 to 23 years old) favored it. Likewise, last November’s “American Values Survey” by the Public Religion Research Institute showed two-thirds of Americans in favor of a $10-per-hour minimum.

    Jim Hightower http://www.nationalmemo.com/our-disgraceful-minimum-wage/

  68. October 2, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Ponder Z

    You’re confusing law with legalise. Can you drink the word ‘water?’ Law is a shared perception – it implies morality. What I would like to help you see, is that true law, is the law of nature. The same law that causes the apple to fall, the wind to blow, the sea to toss. You can’t see it, but you know it exists.

    All the written law you ever see will never say “law” by itself, it will be “codified” as a code of law (color of law). Look at the word ‘of’ as meaning ‘from.’ Now read that again. Codes made from law of nature. Anything written ‘down’ is copyright, and copyright is private law, ergo ‘color of law’ belonging to private fiction.

    Dorothy fell into a colorful world of Oz (ounces of gold). I am sure you realize the movie started in “black and white,” it then became colorful (legal world when Toto bit the old woman) then she went home to the black and white world.

  69. October 2, 2012 at 7:32 am

    What Now,
    It’s the ‘crazy’ ones who push humankind forward. FYI, I’m honored to be placed (in your mind) within the same circle as Terrance McKenna – perhaps you should join.

    Rage just isn’t funny is it? Any kind of overbearing behavior – be it self-righteousness, bigotry, condemnation, aggression, or finger-pointing – is an interruption of the body’s circuitry of love, joy and play. It is the prologue, and trigger, to deeper hostility. I can do without it, and so can you.
    What are you here to work on? I mean, in this lifetime.

  70. Just Watchin
    October 2, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Wow….she just gets nuttier every day!!

  71. October 2, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    for what it’s worth, JW, I just read the last four posts of Forest Queen, and I think she’s speaking quite clearly.

    Besides which, ‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio…’ — Hamlet

  72. October 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    And a thread about fair wages for workers turns into Forest Queen waxing lunatic, with Narration assuring us that “she’s speaking quite clearly.”

  73. October 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Although I disagree with FQ about a few things, I’m included to agree with Narration at #71.

  74. suzy blah blah
    October 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    Rage just isn’t funny is it? Any kind of overbearing behavior – be it self-righteousness, bigotry, condemnation, aggression, or finger-pointing – is an interruption of the body’s circuitry of love, joy and play. It is the prologue, and trigger, to deeper hostility. I can do without it, and so can you.

    -you can root the weeds out of your garden, but they’ll always show up again.

  75. October 3, 2012 at 6:16 am

    Raising the Minimum Wage is Overwhelmingly Supported by the Public

    This June, a Zogby Analytics survey of likely voters found seven out of 10 supporting a raise above $10 an hour (including 54 percent of Republicans). Notably, 71 percent of young people (18 to 23 years old) favored it. Likewise, last November’s “American Values Survey” by the Public Religion Research Institute showed two-thirds of Americans in favor of a $10-per-hour minimum.

    Jim Hightower http://www.nationalmemo.com/our-disgraceful-minimum-wage/


  76. October 3, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Students should learn from San Jose initiative

    By mat goldstein · Daily Trojan USC

    Posted Yesterday at 8:34 pm in Opinion

    In the fall semester of 2010, a San Jose State University sociology class created an idea to benefit their community: to raise the city’s minimum wage.

    After gathering more than 40,000 signatures, the students’ proposal became Measure D, an official measure on the November ballot. The citizens of San Jose now have a chance to enact this significant legislation.

    As USC students, we are uniquely positioned in a community that is also significantly affected by minimum-wage legislation.

    The minimum wage has already been increased in San Francisco, Washington, D.C. and Santa Fe, N.M. — students should follow San Jose’s example and support and lobby for a similar measure in Los Angeles.

    Measure D would increase San Jose’s minimum wage by 25 percent, from $8 to $10. With endorsements from Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom and a host of California assembly members, it is entirely possible that the wage increase will be approved.

    With a poverty rate of almost 20 percent, approximately 1 million children living under the poverty level and a minimum wage that puts those receiving it significantly below the estimated living wage, a minimum wage increase in Los Angeles would be a major benefit for millions of people.

    This is not some far-off problem, either. A quick walk down Figueroa Street includes McDonald’s, Subway and many other companies that pay minimum wage. The campus center itself is home to Panda Express, Carl’s Jr. and California Pizza Kitchen. USC students interact with people who are being paid below the living wage every day.

    The main argument against raising the minimum wage is that it will hurt small businesses. But according to a National Employment Law Project report, nearly 70 percent of businesses that pay their workers minimum wage have more than 100 employees — and many are large, international corporations.

    more http://dailytrojan.com/2012/10/02/students-should-learn-from-san-jose-initiative/


  77. October 4, 2012 at 6:44 am

    Thanks Suzy Blah, Blah.

    I throw out a life preserver to the drowning, and they want to argue with me about the color of it.

  78. October 4, 2012 at 7:38 am

    New Study Quantifies Wal-Mart’s Damage to Local Economies

    via Puget Sound Sage:

    “Our analysis finds evidence of significant direct and indirect impacts on the local economy associated with Walmart’s entry into the Skyway grocery market. The new Walmart grocery shifts consumption, diverting $25.38 million per year in sales from existing retailers in our base scenario. This translates into a drop in the total payroll value for all food sellers in the area of $655,000 per year or 1.2% percent of the total payroll value for grocery store employment within our study area.”

    “When the direct and indirect effects of this change are considered, the impact rises to $898,000 in lost output, roughly 6.4 fulltime jobs and $998,000 in lost labor income. Although the positive impacts associated with redevelopment of the physical site contribute a direct positive effect of $2.67 million in economic output and $1.12 million in labor income in the first year, this is not nearly enough to offset other changes over the twenty year life of the project. The total impact of all changes estimated in our Base scenario over a twenty year project lifespan is projected to be a net loss of $13.07 million in economic output and a similar loss of $14.51 million in labor income.”



  79. October 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Walmart Workers Strike at Stores Nationwide

    – Common Dreams staff

    Walmart workers at various stores around the country are on strike today, protesting poor working conditions and alleged retaliation for their attempts to organize.

    Workers strike Thursday outside a Southern California Walmart store. (Photo: Organization United for Respect—Our Walmart). The one-day strike was expected to culminate in a mass rally outside a store in Pico Rivera, Calif., this afternoon.

    OUR Walmart, a coalition of Walmart workers and other sympathizers, organized the protest.

    According to Salon.com, Pico Rivera Wal-Mart employee Evelin Cruz said “I’m excited, I’m nervous, I’m scared … But I think the time has come, so they take notice that these associates are tired of all the issues in the stores, all the management retaliating against you.” Rivera, a department manager, said her store is chronically understaffed: “They expect the work to be done, without having the people to do the job.”

    According to a release from the group, although Walmart’s more than 4,000 stores employ 1.4 million people in the United States, “For too many of us, the economy Walmart helped create isn’t working—but we have the power to change it.”

    OUR Walmart’s objectives include, but are not limited to, minimum pay of $25,000 a year, quality, affordable health coverage; that Walmart and the Walton family sign “a global labor agreement” guaranteeing employees the right to organize; and that they guarantee that contractors and subcontractors will “provide living wages and worker safety protections, respect basic human and labor rights including freedom of association, and freedom from racial and gender discrimination,” according to the release.


  80. October 6, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    We will be out in Old Town tonight, Sat. Oct. 6th at 2nd and C and also down near the Gazebo 2nd and F. Look for our tables.

    We can work together to start fixing what is broken in our economy by paying workers fairer wages. Large profitable businesses have the resources to pay a fairer wage of $12.00 an hour.

    We need your signature to get this on the ballot so you can raise the minimum wage in Eureka to $12.00 an hour for large employers.

    We will be out from 6 til 9 pm.

  81. October 10, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Australia’s Minimum Wage is $15.51 Per Hour…But Wait, There’s More!

    “Across the Pacific in Australia, the national statutory minimum wage is $15.51 an hour in Australian dollars. Over the past three years, the Australian dollar has been roughly equal in value to the American dollar, so the figure in American dollars is about the same. One Australian dollar roughly equals one American dollar.

    Only about 2 percent of Australians, however, are covered by the minimum wage. The rest are covered by industry-wide agreements that are negotiated by the government on behalf of workers. The minimum wage in most of these agreements (including, for example, for adult fast food workers) is $17.03 an hour.

    But wait, there’s more: full-time permanent employees in Australia, from toilet cleaners to chief executives, get at least ten sick days, 20 vacation days and (depending on the state) ten or more paid holidays every year. Everyone. All over Australia.

    Of course, there is a catch. Part-time and temp workers don’t get these benefits. Instead, they get paid an extra 20 percent to 25 percent in cash compensation. As a result, a part-time, entry-level adult fast food worker in Australia makes a minimum of $21.25 an hour. Oh, plus health insurance. That’s universal in Australia.”


    Salvatore Barbones http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/5601


  82. October 24, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Thank You Eureka!

    The Eureka Fair Wage Act campaign has just concluded its best week ever in signature gathering! We are now past the half way mark on our march towards ballot access. Despite an almost total local media blackout, the word of our movement for fair wages for the workers of Eureka is getting out. People are walking up to our tables and signing the initiative.

    It is not a done deal, we still have miles to go. We gained a couple of new volunteers this week but we can always use your help to help put us over the top in the second half of the struggle.

    If you can help in any way or if you want to be on our informational email list contact us at info@fairwages.org

    Raising wages with a small business exemption forces big corporations to spend more of their profits here, through fairer pay for their workers. It is a win-win, good for the workers while providing a fresh cash infusion for the struggling local economy.

  83. November 15, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Attn: Small Businesses in Eureka & Humboldt: Wal-Mart Is Going to Crush You……

    from The Tripllicate Crescent City

    The wait’s nearly over. After more than a year of shifting store merchandise and non-stop construction, Walmart will begin inviting shoppers into its newly expanded store on Wednesday. The expansion adds nearly 100,000 square feet to the Crescent City Walmart, said store manager Nick Gonnella. The new Walmart Supercenter will include a full grocery store with a deli and a bakery as well as produce, meat and dairy departments. The newly remodeled store will also include a hair salon, a Subway and a new Java Hut, Gonnella said.“We’re one of the largest expansions square footage-wise in all of California,” he said. “We started as a pretty small Walmart store and to grow by 100,000 square feet was no easy task.”

    http://fairwages.org info @ fairwages.org

  84. Plain Jane
    November 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Letter from 350 economists


  85. Future Press Release
    November 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    “Wal*Mart is proud to announce a much needed expansion as we have outgrown our current store location and we look forward to our new location at The Marina Center where we will be creating additional jobs for the community we serve. Wal*Mart: Low Wages Always!©”

  86. Plain Jane
    November 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Do people who increase their share of the global wealth pie due to economic crises have any motivation to prevent or repair economic crises short of looming or actual revolution?

  87. November 15, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    “Fight for $15″ Starts Today in Chicago – Retail & Fast Food Workers Organize!

    via Chicago Tribune

    Thursday at noon, low-wage food and retail workers will rally with supporters at St. James Cathedral in Chicago (map) to kick off a union organizing campaign and to demand that local employers boost their wages to a minimum of $15 an hour.

    The minimum wage in Illinois is $8.25 an hour – $16,500 a year; organizers say that the average retail worker wage is $9.80 an hour — $19,600 a year. And though a 50 percent raise sounds very ambitious during these tough times, it still would only bring these workers up to $30,000 a year.


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