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Eureka City Council Race Discussion

A place to discuss the Eureka City Council race (apologies to Eric and the participants on an earlier thread).

  1. What Now
    October 2, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Let me be the first to more sharply focus this thread:
    Fluoride!
    Fifth Dimension Love Circuitry Conciousness Elevation Psychedleic Inter-connectednes YADDA YADDA YADDA!
    FEMA CAMPS!
    Richard Salzman!
    Progessice AGENDA!
    ZIONISISM!
    Any OTHER Poster’s Sexual Orientation!
    I’m Not Getting Enough Attention!
    Loan ME Money!

  2. October 2, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Libtard!

  3. October 2, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I’ll take Money and FEMA for fourty, thank you…

  4. October 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    Whoops, wrong thread…

  5. A-nony-mouse
    October 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Ya know, Joe, I’ve heard you are easy to work with and a reasonably ‘nice’ guy. Then I hear nothing but frothing attack at the candidates forum. I hear half-truths and a few things I know to be outright lies coming from your mouth. What am I to think? All I can figure is that either you’re letting someone else put words into your mouth or you’re really not a ‘nice’ guy after all.. If you’re that easy to control, I, for one, don’t want you on my city council. We have enough of that already!

  6. Matt
    October 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    I read today in the Northcoast Journal that Linda Atkins is proposing a tax on high electricity consumption in Eureka, like in Arcata, so that the growers don’t all move to Eureka when/if the Arcata tax passes.

    I’m glad to see someone on the city council take the initiative on this – thanks Linda.

  7. October 3, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Matt :
    I read today in the Northcoast Journal that Linda Atkins is proposing a tax on high electricity consumption in Eureka, like in Arcata, so that the growers don’t all move to Eureka when/if the Arcata tax passes.
    I’m glad to see someone on the city council take the initiative on this – thanks Linda.

    No surprise there. She supports Prop 30, too. She’s very much a big tax and big government gal so this is right in line with her way of thinking.

  8. October 3, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    The excess electricity tax is a gross intrusion of privacy. It’s a trojan horse designed to force PG&E to give up your private business records to law enforcement so they can coerce money from you.

    The people of Eureka should resist this gross invasion of privacy.

    Larry Glass tried the same kind of thing with his inspection ordinance. It backfired on him.. I hope Linda learns something from that experience. The idea that there aren’t a lot of grows here already in Eureka is just silly. And most of them are grows by homeowners, upstanding citizens, Republicans and Democrats. It is time for local pols to get a clue. Not just Linda but all of the rest of them too.

    Note. Even though I publicly disagreed with Larry I did vote for him and I will vote for Linda. The alternative is a joke. And I don’t mean Mr. Bean.

    Linda is a decent person who has worked hard to represent a lot of different sectors of Eureka and she deserves to be reelected. But she should drop this stupid excess electric tax idea.

    have a peaceful day,
    Blll

  9. Matt
    October 3, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I’m in favor of it. I don’t want a huge grow house moving into my neighborhood.

    As described in the NCJ article, Arcata’s plan would apply taxes to those that use over 6 times the baseline. That rules out all but large grows.

  10. Anonymous
    October 3, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    “Ya know, Joe, I’ve heard you are easy to work with and a reasonably ‘nice’ guy. Then I hear nothing but frothing attack at the candidates forum.”

    And I hear and see nothing but a frothing attack from Linda, calling Bonino’s supporters (and Bonino himself) Liars and cheats. Both candidates are guilty of namecalling and attacks.

    ” I hear half-truths and a few things I know to be outright lies coming from your mouth. What am I to think?”

    Kind of like the half truths and outright lies coming from Linda, such as claiming credit for obtaining the funding for a city project – funding that was awarded before Linda was even on the city council.

    “All I can figure is that either you’re letting someone else put words into your mouth or you’re really not a ‘nice’ guy after all..”

    And Linda keeps getting her marching orders from the Salzman “us against them” brigade, with specious claims of mysterious big money supporting Bonino. Linda seems to be a bit grumpy herself.

    “If you’re that easy to control, I, for one, don’t want you on my city couuncil We have enough of that already!”

    In this case, “easy to control” must mean for going in a direction poor old a-nony-ploss doesn’t agree with them, which automatically makes them puppets of the super rich (oohhhh there’s another bogeyman Linds laughably brought up), and the spawn of satan herself.

  11. A-nony-mouse
    October 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Gee, Anonymous, I thought SN’s paid flunkies weren’t blogging any more.
    Salzman, if you haven’t noticed, is in ARCATA now and is not involved in Eureka politics as far as I know. You must be very frightened of him to bring him up as your bogeyman time and again. I know Linda well enough to know that the only one she gets her marching orders from is herself. Joe, on the other hand, is parroting the exact lines of the BIG MONEY good ol’ boys that have tried to run Eureka for ages. We were hoping he could do better but I guess not.
    Linda called some of Joe’s supporters “liars and cheats” when they lied and cheated about her and her campaign. Makes sense to me. Joe acused Linda of all kinds of things, either directly or through inuendo, that simply weren’t true.
    By the way, Linda did not claim to have obtained the funding singlehandedly. She did claim to have worked very hard to assist the project along, a claim that cannot be made by every councilmember.
    Note that Joe said he could allow time for two council meetings a month and maybe 10-12 hours in between preparing. Oh Joe, little do you know. Between commissions, appointments citizens requests and demands, and simply studying and understanding issues before the city, you will have to put in a lot more time than that.
    He’s being groomed for the job but we must ask, “who are the groomers?”.

    In response to Bill,
    I should add that it is against the law for PG&E to report utilities bills to law enforcement for targeting law breakers. The 600% of baseline use easily accomadates charging electric vehicles and running welders. It won’t cover intense grows, however, and that’s the point. While it won’t stop growers or point them out to law enforcement, it will penalize their illegal activity that is harming our city.

  12. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Anybody who knows anything knows that Joe is a nice guy & Linda is not nice. Just ask around. she is rude & disrespectful in public and in private to her fellow council members. She has burned any bridge to effectiveness. I agree with her when she said she is wasting her time.

  13. October 4, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Arcata About to Turn Out the Lights on Its Only Viable Export Industry – It’s a Job Killer

    Stupid? Yes!

    Shortsighted? Yes!

    Arcata, the nice little college town a few miles north of us here in Eureka, is about to enact an “excess energy tax” that is designed to put the many grow houses in the city out of business. Or it is a greedy grab of gray market proceeds by a local governement desperate for more tax revenue. Take your pick.

    Starting from about a year or so ago, we have been getting spurts of anti-grow propaganda foisted on us, most of it pointing out how much electricity is “wasted” by these grow houses. No doubt growing indoor pot uses electricity, and a bunch of it.

    But lets just say that there are 100 commercial size grow ops in Arcata. I am not including personal medical grows that must be at least 1,000 or so in Arcata. Each one of these 100 commercial grows employs either directly or in the local supply chain and in casual labor at least 10 people. So that accounts for 1,000 jobs in Arcata. These grow houses are all paying rent or property taxes, all of the workers are spending money in Arcata. Drive off these 100 grow houses and you will see rents drop 10% in Arcata. You will see closed restaurants and gas stations. You will see empty storefronts like you see all over Eureka.

    You see that is part of the real story here. Arcata has been pretty relaxed about marijuana since prop 215, though it looks like that may be changing. The regressive morons that have been running Eureka for the last 20 years have resisted this change. That is why Arcata is prospering and Eureka looks like…..shit. If there were pot money circulating in Eureka the way it does in Arcata there would be a lot fewer empty storefronts and restaurants in Eureka. This is not rocket science. Not only that but the Arcata pot industry is an export industry. This is new money flowing into Arcata and Humboldt County.

    Now the HSU professor whose study is often cited to support this oppression of marijuana may have been accurate in stating the usage of electricity, but what of course is missing from the debate is the economic benefit resulting from indoor marijuana growing, especially in Northern Humboldt. You see growing pot outdoors is pretty much a purely agricultural process, but growing pot indoors is a hybrid agricultural-industrial process. All industrial processes require some energy input to create value added products. First of all, when you eliminate these grows you will have to find good paying jobs for 1,000 of your residents. Or they can move, and you will see your Arcata economy crater.

    In Arcata in particular, although indoor farming uses electricity, it also uses city water, of which there is an abundant supply especially since the demise of the Samoa Pulp Mill ( a huge energy consumer that employed 200 people.) Outdoor pot growing requires irrigation, which is mostly supplied by draining handy creeks and rivers. So indoor pot growing in Nor Hum definitely has ecological benefits as well as the minus of energy use.

    So now imagine that you are going to build a factory somewhere in Arcata that will employ 1,000 people at good wages. How much capital will that require? $100,000,000 or so I would think. How muc h land for a factory of that size? How much truck traffic and air pollution would a factory of that size produce? And even more relevant to the issue, how much electricity would that factory consume?

    You folks in Arcata need to think about this. Because although the factory above is imaginary now, you will have to build it or see your economy crater if you drive out your only export business. I get it that family people don’t want commercial grows in their neighborhoods. Maybe a better solution would be to keep the grows, but encourage them to move to the industrial section of town. Work with them, not against them. Just a thought.

    have a peaceful day,

    Bill

    Link here: http://urlet.com/raising.triggered

  14. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Bill, you regressive moron, it’s the feds that have shut down dispensaries, even as the Eureka City Council was permitting them. Blame the feds, not eureka.

  15. Anon
    October 4, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Unfortunately I can’t have much of an opinion Linda since I haven’t ever spoken too her. Maybe I’d like her if I could just get her to return my phone calls.

  16. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Bill the reason Arcata is prospering is because of the fact that a state university resides there not because of indoor pot grows.

  17. October 4, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    HSU is a big factor in Arcata and Humboldt economy as a whole but 1) it is a government entity not private enterprise and 2) it is a service business. It produces hopefully educated students but it does not produce a value added product through a manufacturing process that can be exported to bring fresh money into our economy. Those 1,000 pot industry workers will need jobs if you close the industry down.

    If having a better economy means simply building a college well why can’t we do that in Eureka? I suggested right here two or three years ago on one of the balloon track threads that we should build a medical school on the balloon tract instead of some shitty big box strip mall. A college/med school or similar will provide 100s of high tech jobs as well as a bunch of service level jobs and would be a huge economic multiplier.

    What’s the problem? Money? Or vision?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  18. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Bill you crack me up! First you downplay the economic significance HSU has on Arcata and then go on to say that a college or med school would be a “huge economic multiplier”.

    Btw it would be the state that would most likely open a new school and they won’t be opening any soon. It’s not the eka city council that would open a school ya big galoot, but rest assured, if one wanted to open they would welcome it with open arms and help find the space to put it.

  19. October 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    What I am pointing out is that Eureka doens’t have either. It doenst have a college and it doesnt have the semi open pot industry that Arcata has or has had until now. You will need to build a factory in Arcata if you drive 1,000 workers out of their jobs, or they will leave. If they leave, the economy in Arcata will crater.

    In Eureka there are probably already several hundred commercial grows. What is missing is the open economy of the dispensaries. We were promised by every candidate for city council in 2008 that we would be getting legal dispenaries in Eureka.

    That hasn’t happened. All the city council has to do is to de-regulate. End the temporary ban. In six monthes there will be six or ten fewer empty storefronts in Eureka.

    On the other hand, if you pass these stupid laws you will be killing the only industry that is bringing money to Humboldt county, Arcata and Eureka.

    Get a clue.

    have a peacreful day,
    Bill

  20. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “We were promised by every candidate for city council in 2008 that we would be getting legal dispenaries in Eureka. ”

    Yes Bill, but the Feds swooped in with promises of jail time for both elected officials and city employees several months ago, so the dynamics have changed. Even Mendo County has stopped dispensaries.

    Blaming this on the city is ludicrous.

    BTW, I support Linda Atkins 1,000 percent on this, as I suspect most Eureka citizens do. Indoor grows are a bane on our county, not a boon.

  21. October 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I think it is a stupid idea that won’t fly, and when its little wings fall off I don’t want it to hurt Linda’s re-election prospects.

    To say that the Feds “swooped in” is ludicrous. It was a letter from “staff” no doubt instigated by Dave Tyson that caused this mess. So that part is just a lie.

    At any rate, all the city council has to do is to step out of the picture, and just license dispensaries like any other business, without either a posiitve or negative approach. If they take a hands off approach the feds can do nothing.

    The politicians around here both Dems and Repubs have no idea how pissed off people are. But I do, because I have talked to at least 500 of them in the last month.

    Los Angeles passed a dispensary ban a few months ago 14-0 but just two days ago rescinded the ban. You know why? Marijuana advocates gathered 40,000 signatures to overturn it. It is time for our local pols to get a clue.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  22. Reads a Lot
    October 4, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    If Joe Bonino had any credibility he would not have to bad mouth Linda Atkins.
    He is a toady for the developers. Look who is backing him Lurch (Yaeger) and
    Pinocchio (Bohn). Those two make you want to bathe with comet.

  23. October 4, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    LA TIMES Oct. 3, 2012

    The Los Angeles City Council’s decision to repeal its ban on medical marijuana dispensaries underscores the political savvy of the increasingly organized and well-funded network of marijuana activists.

    The activists sought to place a referendum overturning the ban on the March ballot, when the mayor and eight council seats will be up for grabs.

    Tuesday’s repeal of the ban marked a major victory for the coalition. The effort was led by an advocacy group called Americans for Safe Access, a group of dispensaries called the Greater Los Angeles Collective Alliance and the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 770 which has organized workers at more than 50 dispensaries.

    By collecting tens of thousands of signatures to qualify the referendum, the activists forced council members to decide whether to rescind the ordinance or put the matter on the March ballot.

    It also leaves Los Angeles, once again, without any law regulating an estimated 1,000 pot shops, which some describe as magnets for crime and others call a source of relief for those who are desperately ill.

    The council’s 11-2 vote came after an impassioned plea from Councilman Bill Rosendahl, a medical marijuana patient who is fighting a rare form of cancer. Looking gaunt and speaking in a faint voice, Rosendahl asked his colleagues how sick patients like him would be able to acquire the drug if the ban remained in place.

    “Where does anybody go, even a councilman go, to get his medical marijuana?” he said.

  24. October 4, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Anonymous :
    Yes Bill, but the Feds swooped in with promises of jail time for both elected officials and city employees several months ago, so the dynamics have changed. Even Mendo County has stopped dispensaries.

    And keep in mind this is under the Obama Administration that has come down on medical mj even harder than Bush Jr.

  25. What Now
    October 4, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Horseshit, Mangels.
    Ashcroft was busting headshops and glass blowers and dumping tons more into the DEA than O’Bummer.
    Deal with facts, for Crissakes.

  26. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Fred is dealing with facts, you just can’t handle them. the FACTS are that the feds, under Obama are threatening prosecution of 215 dispensaries.

  27. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    “To say that the Feds “swooped in” is ludicrous. It was a letter from “staff” no doubt instigated by Dave Tyson that caused this mess. So that part is just a lie.”

    Wait, Wait WAIT!!! LMAO, this is just too precious for words. So, the letters that everyone else got in Chico, Mendocino County and elsewhere throughout the state were “no doubt instigated by Dave Tyson”? Who knew the big guy had so much power? You want too downplay the fact that the Feds are cracking down, that’s your problem, but, like it or not, they are.

    Then you make an assumption that Tyson did something nefarious, some sort of letter from “staff” that renders the fact that the Feds took steps to stop dispensaries (aka, swooped in) “a lie” – sorry Bill, smoke another bowl, that is just asinine – you like to create your own truths there, don’t ya pardner.

    So Los Angeles overturned their ban – good for them, lets step back and see what the feds do – hopefully they wont do anything and other cities will follow, but until the dust settles, this county nor the cities within can afford to take the financial hit defending such nonsense.

    BTW, dispensaries or no dispensaries (and I have no prob with legal dispensaries – WHEN they are are FED-free) there is no excuse for dangerous, energy sucking indoor grows.

    Have a less ignorant day.

  28. October 4, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    It is clear public record that Eureka “staff” solicited the letter from the Feds. It is asinine to assume that “staff” would do anything without the go ahead from Tyson. It is clear that you are a liar.

    Eureka extends medical cannabis dispensary ban

    Dispensaries.

    Dec 212011
    .
    “With no one from the public addressing the matter and almost no discussion among its members, the Eureka City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to extend a moratorium on the permitting of medical marijuana dispensaries.

    On an ever-changing legal landscape, the 10-month, 15-day moratorium extension is designed to allow the city to further evaluate the “legal parameters” of the city’s medical marijuana ordinance, which the city has been informed is in violation of the federal Controlled Substances Act, Thadeus Greenson reports in the Eureka Times-Standard.

    ”I think pretty much our hands are tied at this point,” said Councilwoman Melinda Ciarabellini, the only council member to comment on the item Tuesday.

    The city’s medical cannabis ordinance — passed by a previous council in August 2010 and modified in May — regulates personal residential marijuana grows on a land-use basis and allows for the permitting of four medical marijuana dispensaries. The council has left the portion of the ordinance governing residential grows in place, but the dispensary portion of the ordinance came into question after city staff solicited input on the ordinance from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in September

    In response, Melinda Haag, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of California, wrote the city a sternly worded letter warning Eureka that her office felt the city’s “licensing scheme” was in violation of federal law and could expose the city — as well as its employees and officials — to legal action..”

  29. October 4, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    So the ban has been in effect just about 10 months now? It will sunset maybe Nov 4 or so?

    My suggestion to the city council is simply to do nothing, let it sunset and then let the dispensaries open licensed as normal businesses.

    Within a few months we will have a half dozen fewer empty storefronts and 50 or 60 decent jobs.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  30. Anonymous
    October 4, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Mitch’s mod powers suck. Protecting poor Bill from the facts. Lame.

  31. Mod Squad
    October 4, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Yeah sorry man but the Bozo Filter goes into effect automatically at 10 pm.

    Your bullsh1t awaits moderation.

  32. October 5, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I would like to ask all four candidates for Eureka City Council what they think is the cause of the very high suicide rate here, and what they will do as council person to address the issue.

    The suicide rate here in Eureka started off the year at an astonishing rate, but the media and local officials seem to have stopped talking about it. I happen to know of one gun suicide that seems to have gone completely unreported.

    It is time for some serious thought and serious answers.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  33. mod_powers_suck
    October 5, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Dman you Mitch. Dman You Mitch. Mod Powers Suck. Protecting Bill. Dman You Mitch,

    Let my fecal go!

    Dman you Mitch.

  34. October 5, 2012 at 9:03 am

    There’s nothing in the moderation queue.

    One thing I suspect is that when you try to post a comment at the same moment as someone else, WordPress just drops it on the floor. Or it might just be something that happens when their system overloads, regardless of whether this particular blog has activity. When Word Press puts something into moderation, it sends an email; I have a filter that routes all those emails to a single place, and when I see something there, I go to the WordPress account and click “Agree” and then “Agree” again to an “Are you sure?”

    Yes, #33, my powers are frightening. But you d-man, not me :)

  35. textwrapper
    October 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    She’s very much a big tax and big government gal…

    This from Fred, a member of the 47%.

  36. October 6, 2012 at 9:27 am

    It’s so easy to see why things are happening the way they are when you read William Shirer.

  37. October 12, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Matt :
    I read today in the Northcoast Journal that Linda Atkins is proposing a tax on high electricity consumption in Eureka, like in Arcata, so that the growers don’t all move to Eureka when/if the Arcata tax passes.
    I’m glad to see someone on the city council take the initiative on this – thanks Linda.

    This high tax initiative is BS. Even the speakers were trying to create a fear that is not there; or should I say, bigger than they make it!

    Yes, the initial expense will cost the city money. The city in the years to come could possibly make money, yet after that, would it be a foolish extension of government control?

    if there is a problem near your home, we have very adequate law enforcement to address the problem claimed the evening this was introduced. Problem is, those who commented are complaining about issues in their neighborhood, like dark windows, because they could not put their nose in others business! If you believe there is a problem with an illegal grow, give the EPD a phone call, crap, call Murl directly, or who ever is the Chief, they will assist in addressing the issue. Don’t be the one who bitches and turns the cheek about a problem in your neighborhood; be the one who makes change without immediate recognition that you only get by complaining at the city council meetings expecting them to do your job!

    The fear of others growing in our city or neighborhood is already here – you allowed it to be by not talking to Law enforcement earlier and expecting the government to hold your hand!

  38. October 12, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    highboldtage :
    I would like to ask all four candidates for Eureka City Council what they think is the cause of the very high suicide rate here, and what they will do as council person to address the issue.
    The suicide rate here in Eureka started off the year at an astonishing rate, but the media and local officials seem to have stopped talking about it. I happen to know of one gun suicide that seems to have gone completely unreported.
    It is time for some serious thought and serious answers.
    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

    Depression cause by the climate, the constant overcast, is a scientific proven effect. But this alone is not the bases, Expectations and the constant lack of support from friends and community is a possible explanation. Come on, think it about. Yes, there are those looking for the handout, but in the general population they are looking for a purpose, a job to support the family and assist others. Looking to get involved in this community sucks, so many cliques not allowing but the few to be involved. You approach with another idea, not having a strong support from those you work with, or even a class of society, you have to wonder, “why am I here?”

    We need jobs created in ut area, not jobs from the 60% already here funded by government, but jobs that brings the outside dollar in that supports a livable wage! But this is difficult to do with the “Nimby” population being the only ones speaking at public meetings!

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