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JOE BONINO: Walking like a liar with his pants on fire

The race for Eureka City Council took a downturn Thursday when challenger Joe Bonino stuffed local mailboxes with some bonafide Bonino bologna aimed at incumbent Linda Atkins.

The Lost Coast Outpost outlines the BS in Joe’s bullet-pointed mailer, and questions why the darling of the right would flush his nice guy image with such a Negative Nellie approach.

The mailer’s flipside boldly claims that Bonino, a Republican, has the endorsement of Democrats and moderates. In fact, the word “Republican” doesn’t appear anywhere on the mailer. Maybe he’s embarrassed, but more likely his aim is to trick voters with Democratic Party leanings. It’s an oft-used ploy by Eureka righties.

If Joe Bonino “walks the talk” as his campaign signs claim, voters should take note of the deception in his bold print. He’s obviously loose with his words.

  1. October 14, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Lying, like bribery has become an accepted part of politics. I don’t know about this guy, but on the national level they are telling lies that would make Hitler blush.

  2. HUUFC
    October 14, 2012 at 9:50 am

    The usage of the word liar is worn out, move onto something else please.

  3. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 9:55 am

    As much as people like to say that that they don’t like it, negative campaigning wins elections. That is why it is done.

  4. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 10:06 am

    Sadly, all true. But it’s good to inform voters. Bonino is not just a republican, he is Mr. Republican and a long-time stooge for local Money, including everyone’s favorite loan shark. Bride of Bonino is Julie Williams, another local developer stooge. If Eureka needs another stooge, well – here you go.

  5. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Bride of Bonino:

  6. Waxjobber
    October 14, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Joe Bo works at a “payroll technician” at HSU. He claims he is a “jobs creator.” In what way is his state job creating jobs? In fact, he is against Prop 30 but he is the beneficiary of great state benefits. So, his attitude is basically “I got mine, screw other state employees, teachers, etc. He is a big backer of Scott Walker of Wis. so he is also anti-union. That’s just who he is. Joe Bo, not your regular Joe Blow.

  7. Turdblossom
    October 14, 2012 at 10:56 am

    “The usage of the word liar is worn out”, says HUUFC. Instead of lying, we’ll call it “consciousness rebranding” or “information cleansing” or just “retruthing.”

  8. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 11:03 am

    The same lying technique is being used by the republicans at the local level, as well as at the national level. Hopefully, it will be a failure.

  9. A pesky fact
    October 14, 2012 at 11:06 am

    It doesn’t matter.

    The Humboldt Left has been repudiated sharply on the Eureka and County boards because it’s policies failed. By failed, I mean failed to produce economic growth.

    Until the Humboldt Left puts together better policies (and for that matter, stops demeaning and demagoguing those who point out bad policies), there will continue to be wholesale repudiation at the ballot box.

    Atkins will lose because her ideas (such as they are) are terrible and her attitude is self absorbed. She’s a”champion” of this, a “leader” of that. What she isn’t, however, is an effective council member.

  10. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 11:21 am

    A previoius comment is correct, stuffing mail boxes is illegal. But then I’m still trying to figure out what the ‘walking-talking’ slogan on the campaign signs means.

    Of the three candidates for the Second Ward, all say they are in touch with the people of Eureka. Two were quite polished, maybe even slick during the LWV debate, thoase same two tended towards attacks on other candidates. Two candidates have actuallt turned up in my neighborhood to talk to people. One asked what she could tell us, and the other asked us to tell him what we are concerned about and what we would like the council to do.

    I’m voting for the candidate that is asking the people what their concerns are, not telling them what they should be. Same person who was polite during the debate. Same person who is a local-born candidate not spending money filtered in by outside interests. I am writing in Charlie Bean.

  11. October 14, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Go, Charlie Bean!

  12. Eric Kirk
    October 14, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Based on the phone banking, I’m pretty confident Linda will win. However, we could always use more volunteers.

  13. WhatNow
    October 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Bonino is so greasy he leaves a slime trail in his wake.
    Many thought the low end of the gene pool had been mined with Bohner but evidenlty they scowered the mudflats and found ‘Bohner-nino”.

    He advocates policies that’ve failed when implemented here previously and in other areas.

    He is employed at the least comminity oriented institution in the area and exhibits nothing in the way of leadership skills-he’s the euquivalent of a brown shirt;get’s his orders and marches along with the other slogan spouting troglodytes.

    There isn’t a single issue or view he’s voiced that doesn’t sound like a canned pitch from Ulansey.Captial One, or some other extremist fringe. Empty hyperbole, at best.

    I watched him at Arts Alive in Eurekas last month and he exudes insincerity.
    One elderly wonman that finally eluded his dragnet commented to her companions
    “I haven’t shaken hands with anyone in years that made me feel like I needed a tetanus shot”.
    I encourage anyone who encounters that fetid creep to make sure they leave the scene with their watch, jewelry, and all fingers.

  14. October 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    By “effective” this guy means Atkins is NOT or has NOT totally capitulated and surrendered her ethics, principles and morals to a totally corrupt majority.

    A pesky fact :
    ***
    Atkins will lose because her ideas (such as they are) are terrible and her attitude is self absorbed. She’s a”champion” of this, a “leader” of that. What she isn’t, however, is an effective council member.

  15. October 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    There is a difference between talking and doing. Here is by definition the meaning of being “self-absorbed>” A liar is what a liar does – LIE.

    HUUFC :
    The usage of the word liar is worn out, move onto something else please.

  16. October 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    The use of the word liar is worn out? So lets disguise it in soft language?????????
    WWI – shell shock – 2 syllables
    WWII – battle fatigue – 4 syllables
    Korean War – operational exhaustion – 8 syllables, and sounds like something that might
    happen to a car.
    Vietnam War – post-traumatic stress disorder – still 8 syllables, but hey, an added hyphen.
    Gulf War – syndrome – completely sterile and non-human

    A liar is a liar.

    VOTING is the freedom to choose the next dictator, and reminds me of a dog returning to his own vomit. Sorry Narration. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.

    “The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself. Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.” H.L. Mencken, American writer 1880-1956.

    Psychology 101

  17. WhatNow
    October 14, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Anonymous @ #5 “Bride of Bonino” REALLY is worth repeating:

    Bride of Bonino:

  18. October 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Forest Queen quoting Mencken??? Might she be a closet libertarian?

    “Given the low level of competence among politicians, every American should become a libertarian. The government that governs the least is certainly the best choice when fools, opportunists and grafters run it. When power is for sale, government power should be severely limited. When power is abused, the less power the better.”– Charley Reese

  19. October 14, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell
    We are in a time of monumental deceit. These divisions of left, right, center, republican, democrat, libertarian, race, age, color, income bracket, are all fault lines, all illusion of which to divide and rule us. And only if we stopped that, the game would be over. Check & mate.
    Let us not pretend that there are no immature voices asking us to be subservient to failure.
    They are asking us to play what we (should) now see as a losing game, a game that interrupts the momentum of our emancipation.

  20. October 14, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Anonymous :
    A previoius comment is correct, stuffing mail boxes is illegal. But then I’m still trying to figure out what the ‘walking-talking’ slogan on the campaign signs means.
    Of the three candidates for the Second Ward, all say they are in touch with the people of Eureka. Two were quite polished, maybe even slick during the LWV debate, thoase same two tended towards attacks on other candidates. Two candidates have actuallt turned up in my neighborhood to talk to people. One asked what she could tell us, and the other asked us to tell him what we are concerned about and what we would like the council to do.
    I’m voting for the candidate that is asking the people what their concerns are, not telling them what they should be. Same person who was polite during the debate. Same person who is a local-born candidate not spending money filtered in by outside interests. I am writing in Charlie Bean.

    Thank you!

    To Fred, as well!

  21. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Heraldo calling out others for supposedly going negative is priceless; That’s all Heraldo does on behalf of his candidates.

  22. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Let’s sort through HanQ’s addled analysis of this, shall we?
    “Bonino is already the odds-on favorite in this thing”
    And how do you figure that, HanQ? Linda is the incumbant, doesn’t work – is retired, and according to one article I read, has already worn out one pair of shoes going door to door six hours a day.
    Polly Endert spent a boatload on TV commercials and mailers and was defeated by Linda in 2008.

    “He was somewhat attached to his reputation as a nice guy.”
    Huh? We all probably think of ourselves as nice guys or gals; Bonino has been attacking since the day he entered the race. Politics is rough;
    Linda has been attacking Bonino by trying to attach him through her surrogate letter writers and blogposters to Rob Arkley. So what. They both remain nice people, despite the inherent nastiness political races bring.

    “Atkins did, in fact, vote in Marina Center’s favor back in 2009 — before Measure N — when Security National sought a coastal development permit to do clean-up work on the project. She broke ranks with fellow progressive councilmember Larry Glass on that one. It’s not to say that she voted consistently in favor of Marina Center, but it’s proof that neither did she vote consistently against it.”

    Did Linda Atkins say to the develpor of this project “I am not in favor of this project”? Why yes she did.

    I think both HanQ and the Bonino mailer are splitting hairs on this one.

    “The bit about passing confidential information to Occupy protestors and putting EPD officers at risk has been an ongoing obsession of the Eureka right, so perhaps it’s no surprise that it’s surfacing in the campaign. However, it’s no less dubious today than it was at the time. As we noted at the time, Arcata solved its Occupy problems way before Eureka did, largely by doing exactly what Atkins is being excoriated for doing: Talking with the protesters. In Arcata, you had Chief Tom Chapman out on the lawn just about every day, telling folks that a crackdown was a-comin’. Atkins did no more and no less. The Eureka right’s concern about “officer safety” in squaring off against the likes of Verbena is as laughable as ever.”

    The situations in Eureka and Arcata are not even remotely comparable, HanQ. The police were going in around two or three in the morning and wanted the element of surprise, so as to prevent any of the mentally unstable occupiers who were at the courthouse from elevating this into a tragedy. The fact is that Atkins communicated a confidential memo to the Occupiers and endangered everyone from the police to the occupiers.
    It’s ridiculous that you use Verbena as your example of nonviolent protestors – the fact remains that there was no accountablility to anyone within the group of occupiers – there easily could have been one deranged mental indigent person that had a firearm or another weapon, and Verbena would have denied any association to him.

    “Cutting off funding to the Eureka Chamber is Commerce is neither so controversial nor so wackadoodle as is being portrayed, here. Most local chambers of commerce are not funded by city government, and a councilmember would be fiscally irresponsible not to consider it in a time of great budget crisis, as the city was. Meanwhile, of course — and with great apologies to LoCO superfriend J Warren Hockaday — Arcata continues to clean Eureka’s clock on developing businesses and jobs in the manufacturing sector, and probably other sectors as well. And the Arcata CoC doesn’t rely on municipal largesse to survive.”

    I guess HanQ only went ahead and just looked towards Arcata when he said “most”. Fortuna voters passed a measure several years ago to support its local chamber of commerce with a new bed tax. I do agree with HanQ though – it should be on the chopping block in times of fiscal uncertainty – and I beleive that when the financial times were tougher, the amount of funding to the Eureka Chamber was was cut.

    What IS interesting is what you do NOT try and dispute, HanQ – such as the quote about her wasting her time being on the city council and even more egregiously, taking sole credit for the general plan update and the development of the fishermans terminal. The fact that she claims she obtained funding for the fishermans terminal project when funding was obtained before she was even elected is something an ace reporter like HanQ could easily check if only he wasn’t so busy copy and pasting police reports and trying to show what a mean guy Bonino is.

  23. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    Joe will have to take in depth courses from R Trent Salzman, Larry Glass, the Tiny M before he is even in the game. I hear Bonnie N is willing to do and say anything for a price.

  24. October 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Ooh, what a dig! Meanwhile, the backers of Joe’s lies have names included right on the mailer: Frank Jager, Lance Newman, Rex Bohn, Dave Edmonds, John Fullerton, Dennis Mayo, Nancy Fleming, Mike Jones, etc, etc.

  25. Anonymous
    October 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    So much hate speech here by the slobbering left. Do any of you feel ashamed for at least the personal attacks?

  26. WhatNow
    October 14, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “So much hate speech here by the slobbering left”
    Highly ‘Fried flies again.

  27. Jess Sayin'
    October 14, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Here’s something I am wondering about: It sure seems like there are a gazillion Joe Bonino signs throughout Eureka. California election law requires that when over 200 yard signs are distributed they must state who is paying for them, in a type face at least 5% of the height of the sign. As far as I can tell, none of Joe’s signs has this info. It would be interesting to get a rough count of how many signs are out there, and drop a dime to the FPPC if warranted.

  28. WhatNow
    October 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    Great idea, Jess.

    I wasn’t aware of that.
    I can survey several blocks each day, myself.
    Thanks for the info.

  29. Below Me
    October 14, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    Let’s go through Joe Bonino’s flyer and Hank Sims comments one by one.

    “Is not endorsed by any Eureka City Council member of the Mayor.”
    This is correct. Hopefully even Heraldites can agree on this.

    “Released confidential information to the Occupy protesters putting the Eureka Police Department’s safety at risk.”
    Again, there is a letter from the EPOA (Eureka Police Officer’s Association) reprimanding Linda Atkins for her actions. This isn’t about Kim Star getting arrested again for being an angry anarchist. It was about the radicals calling in all their other anarchists, whose sole goal is to agitate and cause a fight with police.

    “Consistently voted against the Marina Center.”
    Again this is correct. Linda Atkins did tell the developer, “I’m not in favor of this project” even though 70% of the voters of Eureka want it.

    “Attempted to circumvent the city charter when she tried to fire the city manager.”
    Again, when the front page of the Times Standard reports on Atkins trying to circulate a petition to fire the city manager… Not sure how Hank Sims could argue this one.

    “Says she supports business, yet votes against funding for the Eureka Chamber of Commerce.”
    This is another fact. Hank Sims is flat out wrong here. Contact J. Hockaday of the Eureka Chamber of Commerce to confirm.

    “Misrepresents facts by taking sole credit…”
    Again look at Atkins campaign materials and her website. One would think she was the only councilperson. It’s a team effort, honey.

    “Said, “I waste my time every time every time I go the city council meetings..”
    This was a direct quote from the North Coast Journal. Is Hank Sims saying that Ryan Burns misquoted Atkins?

    The flyer is accurate.

    The local radicals are not happy that someone brought out the truth about Atkins. That’s politics. Atkins can deal with her truths or she can resign. Don’t want her to waste any more time actually attending Eureka City Council meetings.

    By the way, if any one body “exudes insincerity” let’s talk about our local Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee. I’ve heard members state that they go home and take a hot shower to get the stench of duplicity, hypocrisy and back room, closed door decisions from their skin.

  30. Matt
    October 14, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    “The Humboldt Left has been repudiated sharply on the Eureka and County boards because it’s policies failed. By failed, I mean failed to produce economic growth.”

    I wasn’t aware that the Eureka City Council was responsible for the global financial meltdown.

  31. WhatNow
    October 15, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Below Me:
    “I’ve heard …”
    Probably from the same group of degenerates working with Richard marks that tried to make Rex Bohn the Democratic Party’s “choice.”

  32. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2012 at 6:23 am

    A few quick points on “Below Me’s” post.

    EPOA is not judge and jury and a letter of “reprimand” from them is not proof of any wrongdoing on Atkins’ part.

    Telling a developer they are not in favor of his project doesn’t translate to “voted consistently against it” because she didn’t as was correctly stated in the NCJ.

    It is entirely possible to support Eureka business without supporting the funding of the COC with tax dollars.

    Candidates always take credit for successful projects in which they played a part and they are always blamed for failures in which they played a part.

  33. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2012 at 6:25 am

    *as was correctly stated in the LCO.

  34. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 6:33 am

    Twisted Eureka. The corruption stinks.

  35. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 6:44 am

    How many years do we have to wait until the Brady Bunch owns up to their failures? Two years? Where are the jobs and cleaned up Balloon Track promised in 2010? How long can you continue to blame the council from 2 years ago? How long can you blame the minority member of the council? At some point you have to take responsibility. The number of empty shops and the state of Eureka seem a lot worse today than when there was a progressive majority on the city council. How come it’s gotten worse since Brady, Newman, and Jager took office? Are we to believe it is all the fault of the lone dissenting voice?
    Man-up Brady Bunch and take some responsibility – I’ll even give you Walmart, although that had very little to do with the city council.

  36. W
    October 15, 2012 at 7:06 am

    How many years do we have to wait until the Obama administration owns up to their failures?

    Four years?

    Where is the hope and the jobs promised in 2008?

    How long can you continue to blame the President from 8 years ago?

    How long can you blame the minority members of Congress?

    At some point you have to take responsibility.

    The number of empty shops and the state of America seem a lot worse today than when there was a conservative majority in Washington, D.C.

    How come it’s gotten worse since Obama took office?

    Are we to believe it is all the fault of the lone dissenting voice?

    Man-up Obama and take some responsibility – I’ll even give you GM, although that had very little to do with the Congress.

  37. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Nice deflection “W”. It’s all Obama’s fault. So, I guess you can’t blame Atkins for your failures.

  38. unanonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 7:25 am
  39. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Darn that Obama – he just won’t let us clean up the Balloon Track. And, he keeps shipping jobs to Arcata. I bet he knows Linda Atkins.

    I wonder why he’s the overwhelming favorite to win in California?

  40. firesidechet
    October 15, 2012 at 7:50 am

    You forgot to say “he’s just like hitler”.

  41. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 7:56 am

    All that Obama believes in is government spending and government jobs – like the one Joe Bonino holds at HSU…

    If he believes so much in private enterprise, why is he sucking off the tit of the State? That’s a walk he’s not talking about much.

  42. Really?
    October 15, 2012 at 8:20 am

    A pesky fact :
    It doesn’t matter.
    The Humboldt Left has been repudiated sharply on the Eureka and County boards because it’s policies failed. By failed, I mean failed to produce economic growth.

    Yeah them damn pinkos in Arcata are such job killers, what with all those manufacturing jobs, construction projects, and low vacancy rates. We do need to move to the great policies of Eureka. We’ll have choo-choo trains and great waterfront projects. I love how the City has to now go begging to the Headwaters Fund to have them pay to complete the poorly designed and still empty C Street project… Let’s get more of that!

  43. Reads a Lot
    October 15, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I have not once seen anything about the great fictioneer Matthew Owen. Virginia Bass’s
    husband. He is the one that has become the “King” of Eureka’s right wing poster
    writing. He is (not using the word liar) the mendacious one. He is the one spreading mendacity.

  44. notafan
    October 15, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Ha Ha HA, melt down on the left side. How much of this crap can you make up. Joe is a really good solid guy. I know him and have worked with Linda many times in the past. He will be a huge improvement. Your sliding off the hill. Thank God..

  45. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Joes got a nice list of active citizens supporting him. Why the nasty attacks? Sounds like another HCDCC hit job!

  46. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 8:57 am

    In some ways I hope Bonino gets on the council. It won’t change the decisions with a 4 to 1 majority (if Atkins continues). But it will put the Brady Bunch on the record as being Entirely Responsible.
    How many more years can they drag out the overrated Marina Center as the panacea of Eureka’s economic woes? Does anyone with half a brain think a glorified strip mall on the waterfront will bring tourists? Do you really think shifting low-paying retail jobs from Pierson’s or Ace to Home Depot will change the tax base? I’d have some respect for these folks if they actually “walked the talk” and had viable economic plans. Instead Bonino holds down a State job and points fingers at government spending. Now he wants a City job where he can talk…

  47. October 15, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “It won’t change the decisions with a 4 to 1 majority (if Atkins continues)”.

    I don’t really think much will change regardless of who wins. There’s been few deviations from the norm as long as I’ve lived up here. Much of what they do should just involve common sense. That’s why the vote is unanimous much of the time.

    I would like to see, at least in this race, someone win who is above the Left vs. Right, us vs. them back and forth that has been illustrated here time and again. Charlie Bean is clearly above that squabble so he’s the best choice.

  48. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    This is a first – I agree with Fred.

  49. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    The interesting news could be another example of our two-tiered justice system. Will these Good Ol’ Boys get years in prison? Please follow-up!!

  50. not a fan
    October 15, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Salzman, show that you have at least 1 nut and put your name on your comments.

  51. Not that Stupid
    October 15, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    The Arkleypublican / Tyson experience has been an economic disaster for Eureka. The waterfront has been a total loss to the tax base for decades now. There is a reason why there is a constant need for new tax sources. There are so many empty storefronts in Eureka it looks like the Great Depression.

    Want more of the same? Even more economic devastation? Vote for Joe, he Walks the failed Arkleypublican Tyson Talk.

  52. Not that Stupid
    October 15, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Arkleypublicans will vote for Joe of course, but normal rational Republicans will vote for Linda Atkins. Why? Because she has done a good job! She is a classic moderate Democrat, like back in the days when Eisenhower was Prez, and we had moderate Republicans too.

    So sad that the Humboldt County Republican Party has become a one man dictatorship.

  53. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 5:19 pm
  54. Anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 5:29 pm
  55. anonymous
    October 15, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Better that someone not from here wins. Look at the mess this town is in. It took at least 40 years to turn this town into a welfare sucking, homeless trash pit.

  56. October 15, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    … show that you have at least 1 nut and put your name on your comments.

    This from some brave soul who goes by the name “not-a-fan.”

  57. Thorstein Veblen
    October 15, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Dang, I agree with Fred too. Getting weary from the ‘government as blood sport’ approach . Blame gop most, compare Lee Atwater or Carl Rove to Paul Wellstone, but plenty of blame to go around. This stuff trickles down from national to local. And no consensus on what our future should look like.

  58. October 15, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Psychology 101
    If you start with a cage containing five monkeys, and inside the cage hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana. As soon as the monkey touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with the same result . . .all the other monkeys are sprayed. Soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys try to prevent it. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace with a new one. The new one sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the original five, replacing with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment . . . with enthusiasm. Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by a fourth and then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked. Most of the monkeys who are beating him up have no idea why they are not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey. Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, none of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana. WHY? Because in their minds . . . that is the way it has always been! This, my friends, is how Congress, Legislatures, Supervisors, and City Councils operate . . . and is why from time to time, all of the monkeys must be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.

  59. walt
    October 16, 2012 at 4:59 am

    TTAO. . . .Throw them ALL out! How can they possibly be worse?

  60. October 16, 2012 at 5:46 am

    That’s what I’m talkin about. It is our right, and our duty, to dismantle a despotic gov’t, AFTER the new guards are in place. The chains around our necks fit loose, and can be removed at any time.
    F.E.A.R. is only – False Evidence Appearing Real.

    “I have no fear that the result of our experiment will be that men may be trusted to govern themselves without a master.” Thomas Jefferson
    If we can’t self-govern, then why are we here?

    This email is intended for the recipient(s) ONLY, and is a written communication between living souls, and is not intended to be commercial in any way. If you are not the intended recipient(s), then please delete this email and notify me immediately. If you do not delete it, then you agree to keep it confidential, or suffer the injuries.

    The keyboard is mightier than the gun.

  61. Plain Jane
    October 16, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Of course, the only way to throw them all out at the same time is revolution since every office isn’t up for re-election at the same time. Next suggestion?

  62. Anonymous
    October 16, 2012 at 8:12 am

    What Eureka needs is a new election system, which can be done by amending the city charter. Either the council or the voting public can place this on the ballot. Good luck.

  63. Anonymous
    October 16, 2012 at 8:15 am

    When the Forest Queen chimes in with a 300 word rant you know the thread is pretty much dead and it’s time to move on.

  64. Anonymous
    October 16, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Anonymous :
    When the Forest Queen chimes in with a 300 word rant you know the thread is pretty much dead and it’s time to move on.

    Spoken like a true Bohner.

  65. October 16, 2012 at 10:01 am

    Plain Jane,
    There’s more than one way to skin a hide. One would be to file criminal complaints for treason. Yes, I dare say it. Warring against the Constitution is treason – the only crime mentioned therein. For persons to even consider ‘giving’ us a zone for free speech – I’m sorry, but in my book, that’s treason.

    @Anonymous,
    I am not ‘the’ queen. And, I’ve mentioned before that if you don’t have big brass ones, don’t read my posts.

  66. Weed King
    October 16, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Hilarious! One of the better threads lately.

  67. Forest Dump
    October 16, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Life is like a box of Big Brass Ones, you need them to read my posts.

  68. October 16, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Brass — you meant brass monkeys, right?? Forest Queen, I am late to this and reading through it as usual backwards, but wanted to say your monkeys fable is really a good one.

    Thanks, and you might be interested on the recent work with capuchin monkeys that showed how interested they (and possibly some other primates we know) are in fairness.

    Here’s a pretty sanitized version of the story (read through to the second page) which I pick because it at least includes the original story rather than later researchers messing with it.

    National Geographic Capuchins Story

    To cut to the chase, people in lab coats were getting the monkeys to do something, and rewarding them when it was done. The monkeys, though, noticed very acutely about the treats. If any of them got something better liked (fruit vs. cucumber), they would explode as a group about it, flinging the food and all else that monkeys fling — and chattering loudly….

  69. October 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    …I’ve mentioned before that if you don’t have big brass ones, don’t read my posts.

    It takes “big brass ones” to read Forest Queen’s inane drivel?

  70. Anonymous
    October 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Joel Mielke :

    …I’ve mentioned before that if you don’t have big brass ones, don’t read my posts.

    It takes “big brass ones” to read Forest Queen’s inane drivel?

    An anonymous blog queen has claimed said balls in qualification multiple times??

  71. WhatNow
    October 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    Joel Mielke:
    “It takes “big brass ones” to read Forest Queen’s inane drivel?”
    No, just mind over gag reflex.

  72. October 16, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Sometimes we are called on to face down tyranny, and sometimes it even takes courage to soften our hearts and smile.
    I only meant that if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

  73. October 17, 2012 at 9:59 am

    I don’t know which is worse, Forest Queen’s obtuse metaphors or her pathetic self-aggrandising.

  74. A-nony-mouse
    October 17, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    #1. Arcata’s ‘wild-eyed radicals’ have produced far more good paying jobs than Eureka’s cosistently conservative councils have ever even imagined doing. So much for the Reps big claim to job reation.
    #2. Joe’s need to resort to name calling and character bashing only points out the bankruptcy of his ideas. A person with strong ideas and hopeful aspirations for our city doesn’t need to slop about in the mud.
    #3. Questioning the Marina Center and its appropriatness for Eureka shows concern for our future. It does not represent opposition to the project. It represents a real concern for our future. If Arkley’s original plan is set in concrete and will not bend to fit future needs of Eureka, then it will never get past the Coastal Commission anyway. Meanwhile, we’re all still waiting for the court-ordered long-promised cleanup to begin. Any time Marian!.
    #4. Has any one ever seen Joe at a City Council meeting before this election? I’ve been to many and watched many more on TV and have never seen his smiling face.
    #5. Joe’s ‘talking points’ and nasty allegations match almost to the letter the line from the far right. He’s good at learning his lines. I must give him that.

    There’s more but Hi Fi…er, I mean “Anonymous” wouldn’t listen if you told him his but was on fire while the flames shot out.

  75. October 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Joel,
    If I come across as self-aggrandizing, that is not my intention at all. Thanks for the conflict practice, evidentially I need it, since it appears that I’m bringing it my way. I do know that I’m way to anxious to get-on-with-the show, always have been. Also, I know that a wagon train only moves as fast as its slowest wagon. Being without wheels, 32 days and counting, I’m on my last nerve.
    Can’t you share some personal experiences that would aid our ailing society?

    Peace

  76. October 17, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Yes, Forest Queen, I could share real humiliation, pain and tragedy that I have experienced, but that would not be germane to this thread. A discussion of a City Council race could include institutional changes (e.g., ward-only elections), but revolutionary change is better left to discussions of larger issues.

  77. stu@nami.org
    October 17, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    http://www.times-standard.com/ci_21790749/marijuana-moratorium-approved-council-moves-forward-sea-level?source=most_viewed

    NEWSFLASH: Eureka Council to Investigate Underwater Marina Center.

    Eureka’s latest fake establ-issue may have run it’s course. We’ll see what happens when they get a look at the maps…

  78. October 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Thanks for the link, Stu. “75 percent of Humboldt Bay’s 102-mile shoreline is artificial…” was news to me.

  79. WhatNow
    October 17, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    And 4 of Eureka’s 5 City Council members (as well as the mayor) are artificial as hell, too.

  80. October 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    But Joel, and friends, when is the ‘larger discussion’ going to be? If not Now, when? The past is gone, the future ain’t here yet . . .that leaves us with Now – where we always are.

    “To repress rebellion is to maintain the status quo, a condition which binds the mortal creature in a state of intellectual or physical slavery. But it is impossible to chain man merely by slaving his body, the mind also must be held, and to accomplish this, fear is the accepted weapon. The common man must fear life, fear death, fear God, fear the Devil, and fear most, the overlords, the keepers of his destiny.” Manly Hall
    FEAR -false evidence appearing real, nothing more.

    Don’t we all wish/desire to taste peace, not just advocate it? Where’s the five from “We the People,” new guards? Plus five more? Plus the twelve needed for a de jure Common Law Grand Jury? We don’t have to re-invent the wheel. What’s the sense/logic in singing the all-to-now-obvious genocide, in-the-crypt song? Solutions aren’t being brought to light, because you and me are the ones who have the solutions. When the facts have been presented, what is it that prevents us from discussing the obvious?
    Evolving without our forgotten, not learned or taught, ‘traditions’ in tact, will only assure us more of the same, and worse. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out . . . history will repeat itself. 14,600 recorded wars in the last 10,000 years. Our not-learned-yet ‘traditions’ must evolve with us. We’re in the same boat – together we can shed the fake, false, fiction, criminal parasites that we’ve permitted to suck our life force for generations. There’s good, and there’s evil, that’s the only two choices that exist. There’s no sitting on the fence of the world plantation claiming zero.

    I acknowledge/realize Divinity. . . the intellect within humankind who surround me here in Humboldt. I can’t for the life of me fathom what it is that’s (invisibly) keeping us from uniting, and singing the Uni (one) verse (song) at the same time. We all bleed the same, and we’ll all look the same in a coffin -dead. We came from nowhere, we’re now here, we’ll return to nowhere – it’s just a movement of the ‘w’ So, since we’re ‘now here,’ let us not return to nowhere . . . while there’s still a song in us to sing.

    Cheesy. Soap-box. I don’t care – somebody’s gotta do it. If you’re not living on the edge, you’re taking up too much space. I have some of the steps, you people have the rest of the steps, that ‘will’ set us on the path in freeing ourselves from the illegal/unlawful part of the matrix we find ourselves in. However, without “We the People’s” shared genius, I have no idea of the sequence, or when, or where to place the ones I have, that will enable us to bring about desired results . . . Life without government interference, to fruition. I can’t know who would rather stay comfortably numb. And, that’s o.k., it’s all about choice . . .that no one else can make for you. One only has the rights that one can assert. Notices, and filing docs., is preemptive. This is who I am, what I am not, and my fees are a part of my docs., that I will collect from the private male/female acting as a public servant, should any public servant/government agent attempt to bring their commercial process on me – that I am not a party to. It’s just that simple.

    We experience freedom and inspiration when we integrate new beliefs that have been validated by accumulated experience. Then we learn to taste freedom as a richly textured and sensorial reality. I’m not a teacher, however, I can show some of you who are capable of teaching/informing others about how to let go of the comfort of relying on authority figures and instead choose greater self-reliance and self-realization, but only when the timing is right. I do, and have traveled for three years now, minus the STATE-owned ident a fiction card, labeled d/l, registration, and insurance. A step. It ain’t no Big D – really. Imagine even one hundred of us here in Humboldt, traveling/claiming our unaLIENable birthright(s), as opposed to paying an illegal/unlawful privilege/benefit TAX, that we’ve voluntarily complied with, EVER SINCE OUR TEENS! I maintain my same question . . . if we can’t self-govern, then why are we here?

    Just my thoughts, and arbitrary opinions.

  81. Roving Karl
    October 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Just heard Atkins latest radio bit. Not a bad radio commercial. Little long at 60 seconds. Linda got some of the content at least based on the truth and then took a sharp left turn into Glassville.

    “… expanding community gardens, safety zones for bike/pedestrian lanes, medical cannabis regulations…”

    These are all very important things that promote jobs and growth to our local economy.

    “The mayor and council majority have voted the priorities of the political machine that funds their campaigns.”

    Let’s see… Lance Madsen didn’t run a campaign as he ran unopposed. Same too with Melinda Ciarabellini this year. Peter LaValle outspent Frank Jager for mayor and Frank took a two week vacation in October prior to the 2010 election. No mention of Bill Pierson and the Blue Lake Casino political machine that funds the far-left candidates.

    “They brought back a controversial city manager, let go a police chief who won the respect of the community, and tired to kill the purchase of Jefferson School.”

    Here’s where the wheels went off the bus.

    Controversial city manager? Maybe to twenty local radicals. Dave Tyson is beloved by city staff and 95% of prior elected officials.

    If former EPD police chief Garr Nielsen was so great, how come he ain’t found another job in law enforcement?

    They didn’t try to kill the purchase of Jefferson School with tax dollars, they did kill the purchase of Jefferson School. This was the best thing that ever happened to the Westside neighbors and they should be thanking the city council for having the courage to allow a non-profit to run this project. My hat’s off to Heidi Benzonelli and her group. They can do things as a non-profit that a government entity would never be allowed to do.

    Finally, can someone tell Forest Queen to please take her meds or save it for her novel.

  82. October 18, 2012 at 12:29 am

    Roving Karl,
    I have not, and do not now, take petrol-chemical poison pills that you so lightly, as programmed, refer to as ‘meds.’ “Someone please tell. . .” that’s exactly my point. Are you not capable of speaking for yourself? This, IMO, is the rub – discussing fictions that are contracted to the State, are not oath keepers . . . can’t serve two masters.
    It ain’t working . . . let’s keep doing the same thing??? Expecting a different result?
    You seem well-informed about the local goings-on, maybe think about stepping into a position that needs someone who will be a voice for the people.

    I will say what I choose to say – that’s what freedom of speech is all about.
    “Do what you feel in your heart to be right – for you’ll be criticized anyway – you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” Eleanor Roosevelt

  83. Just Watchin
    October 18, 2012 at 5:33 am

    Yep…….she’s off her meds again……

  84. Anonymous
    October 18, 2012 at 6:28 am

    Hey, where is High-Fi? Could he be Joe?

  85. October 18, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Dave Tyson is beloved by city staff and 95% of prior elected officials.

    If Dave Tyson is so popular, I’d like to know why. Like Mr. Tyson, I’m a skeptic, but I’d like to be a believer.

  86. anonymous
    October 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Roving Karl, Maybe the police chief had some trouble getting a job because he was slandered by those that he put to work and demoted.

  87. Weed King
    October 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Nah. That’s what all Police Chiefs and City Managers do. They are usually around until the political climate changes again and then they move on with nice severance packages. If you’re not pissing someone off as Chief of Police or for that matter as a City Manager you’re seen as not doing your job. It’s the same for big cities too. Look at Oakland for instance. Tyson’s been around longer than most.

  88. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 6:41 am

    He gets a bigger retirement check for each year he stays, and will be living on your tax dollars for the rest of his life. You better like him. You’re paying for him…

  89. Weed King
    October 19, 2012 at 8:53 am

    True.

  90. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 10:22 am

    Well Joel, why don’t you meet with Tyson? Since you’re doing so many editorial cartoons directly and indirectly related to him, it seems like a way to address some of your concerns.

  91. WhatNow
    October 19, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Anonymous :Hey, where is High-Fi? Could he be Joe?

    Highly fried is posting under at least 2 differnt monickers after being repeatedly vaporized and called-out by other posters.
    He switches names on here a lot easier than he switches chemical dependencies.
    Just look for his tell tale point of view (rectal-cranial inversion based) and knee-jerk hyperbole.

  92. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 11:45 am

    does sound like Bonino…

  93. October 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Well Joel, why don’t you meet with Tyson?

    I’d love to. I was able to speak with Joe Bonino at length recently. He said that he supports the idea of a private entity building the railroad, but doesn’t support the use of public funds. As I see it, we’re already dedicating public funds to the fantasy rail. City Employees are putting time into it and Tyson is taking trips with his dog & pony show.

    Meanwhile, Mr. Bonino supports trails, but the most important length of coastal trail, connecting Arcata and Eureka, doesn’t fit into Tyson’s fatuous rail scheme, so walkers and bike commuters have to take 101.

  94. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    So call and make an appointment Joel.

  95. October 19, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Perhaps he’d take a stroll down Broadway with me, and he could explain why his railroad is such a pressing issue, while Broadway remains such a permanent bight.

  96. October 19, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    “Blight,” sorry.

  97. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    Perhaps he would Joel, why don’t you call and schedule a meeting?

  98. anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Maybe he can explain why businesses are closing and why they have so many homeless people wandering the streets.

  99. A-nony-mouse
    October 21, 2012 at 11:58 am

    So “No-show” Joe suddenly takes a huge interest in Eureka City politics, claiming to have the answers to our problems,turning Eureka into a Big Box powerhouse (thereby killing the Local business community), finding wonderful minimum-wage jobs for all of us, promoting smaller government (while putting it into our bedrooms in the Republican way), lock-stepping with the “Gang of 4 + 1”, and helping return Eureka to the Glorious ’50s that we miss so much. All this while walking and talking all over town. Maybe he can rub his tummy and pat his head at the same time too? No “good ol’…” agenda? Boy, have I got a bridge to sell you!!!

  100. Anonymous
    October 21, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    You haven’t a friggin’ idea of what you are talking about #99. Before shooting off your yap why don’t you get educated first.

  101. Little Spunky
    October 22, 2012 at 6:34 am

    I don’t know about you but I am eagerly awaiting Virginia Bass’s ringing endorsement of Barack Obama, her party’s (Democratic Party) nominee for POTUS. I am sure it will be heartfelt and convincing.

    Still a couple of weeks to go, Vriginia! Don’t disapoint us!

  102. jack of hearts
    October 24, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Show me the “mailer”.

  103. Vaughn
    October 30, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Vote Joe Bonino for Council! 10 watt bulbs are great energy savers!

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