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Deep Questions of Science and Religion #42; the Joe Walsh Edition

First, congratulations where it’s due: doctors in Illinois have apparently eliminated complications in pregnancy.  Illinois Rep. Joe Walsh (R – Il) has doubled-down on earlier comments by his colleague Rep. Todd Akin (R-MS), stating that thanks to modern science and technology, no woman need ever die as a result of complications during pregnancy.  DQSR#42 asks “why are pregnant women still dying in California, when advances in science and technology make this unnecessary in Illinois?”

http://californiawatch.org/health-and-welfare/more-women-dying-pregnancy-complications-state-holds-report

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/joe-walsh-technology-abortion.php

  1. Goldie
    October 19, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    It is simply frightening to hear men speak from such ignorance and see them stand uncorrected by their mothers, wives and peers. Dumbing down has worked far better than trickle down.

  2. Mitch
    October 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Goldie,

    The dumbing down is amazing. At the press conference, after a single followup question from the original, disbelieving, reporter was answered with clear confirmation from Walsh (“Absolutely”), there were no further followups and no one challenged Walsh’s statement. Because objective reporting requires that stupid and ignorant fantasy be treated identically to facts. Mustn’t inject one’s self into the story, mustn’t one? The universities strike again.

  3. Carla Baku
    October 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The more often these people open their mouths, the more it seems we really are moving retrograde to any sort of human enlightenment. Welcome to the new middle ages.

  4. WhatNow
    October 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Bill Moters made an intersting point after the 2000 presidential SELECTION.
    to paraphrase Mr. moyers, the job of a journalist IS NOT to present “both” or “all” sides of a question or viewpoint, it’s to UNCOVER FACTS and look for THE TRUTH.
    Chilling, given the fascisti asshat mentality running amok in the world today.

  5. Not A Native
    October 19, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    I agree what he said is really stupid. But ideologues saying stupid things to appeal to fellow believers isn’t exceptional.

    In fact, this post stupidly suggests that according to the link, deaths happening now due to pregnancy complications could be prevented by abortion . In fact the link says obesity, diabetes, and C-sections are causes of deaths. Would abortions save those women’s lives? If the only goal is to prevent maternal deaths, all pregnancies should be terminated. The question of how often abortion saves lives isn’t answered here. But obviously conservatives believe the answer is similar to how often medical pot users have a medical illness.

  6. October 19, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Great analogy there, NAN (not). Republicans have proven their hostility toward science and medicine so it isn’t surprising when they say bat shit things on these issues.

  7. A pesky fact
    October 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    This post is an excellent example of intolerance and bigotry.

    Invoking the example of one individual as representative of a disliked group.

    Can I now invoke this post as an example of how the left in humboldt is bigoted?

    No, just as this man’s words primarily serve not to shed light on his group, but on him, so too does this blog post serve not to shed light on the humboldt left, but on Mitch.

    On a side not, some dem state representative from Minnesota got caught at a truck stop getting a hummer from a 17 year old boy he trolled off craigslist. And in OH the dems are running a guy for congress that is an actual wife beater.

    Oh, and hilariously, Akin may yet win.

  8. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Doubling down on dumb! It seems that the cosmos is now balanced. A far right nut there and a left wing nut (heraldo) here. What self righteous prigs, both!

  9. October 19, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    If only there were just one extremist in the elected republican bag of nuts. Sadly, not true.

  10. WhatNow
    October 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Pesky, you covered more logical fallacies in your post then are worth dealing with.
    Both sides have issues, yes.
    The capper year was 2006 when Senator Larry Craig (R) was convicted of soliciting sex in a men’s airport bathroon and the leading GOP house member on committees involving child poronography and issues of child exploitation resigned after being caught propositiong young boys and underage congressional pages for sex via the internet.
    Mitch’s post was very on target given the GOP’s intent to shhrink government to the size that it can be inserted into a woman’s uterus.
    That accomplishment would still make the end product two to three hundred times the size of your pathetic little excuse for a brain.

  11. A pesky fact
    October 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Shrink the government to the size of women’s uterus?

    Really?

  12. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    or only one extremist in the ranks of the heradite bag of nuts(buds).//// issues like Monica+ cigar or Barry +bathroom BJ’s. God, how the left loves interns. O-well, one tit for one tat.

  13. Anonymous
    October 19, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Sorry. Barney not Barry

  14. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Of course not, Pesky. It would have to be smaller to fit, about the size of an ultrasound wand.

    You forgot David Vitter, married buyer of prostitutes, who is still in the Senate, WhatNow, and he’s about as far right as it is possible to go on every issue.

  15. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    At least interns are of legal age, unlike Mark Foley’s little boy pages. 8:30.

  16. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Off topic, but the right wing is in full meltdown mode over a CIA report released today which proves the Obama administration was just passing on information as they received it from the intelligence community regarding events in Benghazi, reported today by the WSJ, WaPo, NYT and, yes, even Fox. Their whole “Obama’s middle east foreign policy is a disaster” October surprise just evaporated like steam off a cow pie. All they have left is the stench of not only trying to exploit a tragedy for political gain, but doing so with such malice and lies.

  17. WhatNow
    October 19, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Or good ol’ Philip Crane (his own republican caucas called him “the senator from Heiniken” until his family intervened) who had to drop his presidential bid for schtuping his 17 year old intern in 1980.
    No fall-out other than that.

    “malice and lies”
    You know Nan, that would be a perfect latin motto for the GOP’S coat of arms.
    Right underneath a burning cross and a collapsing bridge, with the stars and bars, an AK47 and big ol f*ckin’ bible on it.

  18. Mitch
    October 19, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    #7,

    What group is that? The Joe Walsh Club? The Joe Walsh and Todd Akin club? Those are the only two possible groups referred to in the post. If you’ve extrapolated to anything larger, fine, but I didn’t.

  19. WhatNow
    October 19, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Highly Pesky is just diverting attention from an uncomfortable chaklkenge to his limited and delusional world view, Mitch.

  20. firesidechet
    October 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    And might I add that it’s nice to see such a distinguished panel of medical experts here.

  21. Mitch
    October 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    You have to be a medical expert to understand that there are cases where abortion is necessary to save the life or health of a pregnant woman? I’d have thought a few grades worth of grade school and an ounce of intellectual curiosity would be sufficient to know the transparent truth of such a non-controversial fact.

  22. October 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Unless your some sort of expert, or been given some worthless paper to prove you are an expert, you don’t meet the Ernie Branscomb “hammer test,” Mitch.

  23. Goldie
    October 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Sad facts: Amnesty International may be best known to American audiences for bringing to light horror stories abroad such as the disappearance of political activists in Argentina or the abysmal conditions inside South African prisons under apartheid. But in a new report on pregnancy and childbirth care in the U.S., Amnesty details the maternal-health care crisis in this country as part of a systemic violation of women’s rights.

    The report, titled “Deadly Delivery,” notes that the likelihood of a woman’s dying in childbirth in the U.S. is five times as great as in Greece, four times as great as in Germany and three times as great as in Spain. Every day in the U.S., more than two women die of pregnancy-related causes, with the maternal mortality ratio doubling from 6.6 deaths per 100,000 births in 1987 to 13.3 deaths per 100,000 births in 2006. (And as shocking as these figures are, Amnesty notes that the actual number of maternal deaths in the U.S. may be a lot higher, since there are no federal requirements to report these outcomes and since data collection at the state and local levels needs to be improved.)

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1971633,00.html#ixzz29tIeLhMb

  24. tra
    October 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Yes, but keep in mind that some of those extra deaths during childbirth were probably the result of victims of illegitimate rape giving birth to the offspring of their illegitimate rapists. We know that none of them are from legitimate rapes, since you can’t get pregnant from that, according to Todd I’m-Not-A-Doctor-But-I-Play-One-On-TV Akin.

  25. Goldie
    October 20, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Mostly it is the needless loss of young women, dead, that I keep in mind. Certainly a man who insists that women do not die during pregnancy will do nothing to improve the situation and everything to increase the risk to everyone’s well being and health care. Maintained ignorance in a population decreases the likelihood of acknowledging the need for improvement. Many still believe that our country leads in life expectancy, education and scientific advancement. We are the greatest county on the earth they say but sadly it is no longer true.

  26. A-nony-mouse
    October 20, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    And we still can’t see that the best solution for abortion is education and birth control. The fewer unplanned and unwanted prenancies, the less need for abortion. So the Republicans answer to that is to cut funding for Planned Parenthood, the premier agency for women’s information and health care. Let the Ludites rule the land!
    Careful! You could still fall of the edge of the world.

  27. Anonymous
    October 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    To believe that one side is more moral & upright than the other is to prove that you are a moron.

  28. WhatNow
    October 20, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Given that 20% of recognized pregnancies end in miscarriages, why aren’t the Teanderthals and Tali-baptists picketing houses of worship to shame their god into stopping all those deaths amngst the unborn?

  29. Mitch
    October 20, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    #27,

    As a moron, I’m wondering what’s behind your assertion. Is it just self-evident, or is it in the bible, or what?

  30. October 21, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Republicans are the American Taliban.

  31. Anonymous
    October 21, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Mark, that is so stupid that I can’t believe even you would say it. My God, what a closed minded , scary place we would live in if you were in charge. I feel the same way about Akins too. It was assholes with your limited tolerance that shot a 14yr old girl in Pakistan. You are weak dude, weak!

  32. Mitch
    October 21, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Perhaps what Mark meant to say was “any political party that would let women die rather than allow abortion, that wants to amend the constitution to declare a group of citizens second class, that appears to be unwilling to offer the slightest respect to the office of the Presidency now that it is occupied by a non-lily white man, that is convinced evolution is a deception, that doesn’t feel any action is necessary in response to “hypothetical” human-made global warming (that scientists believe has passed critical values already), that demonstrates a passionate hatred for organized labor unions, and that would roll back the safety nets that bipartisan majorities put in place following the Great Depression, just to prevent the restoration of historically normal tax rates on billionaires” is an American Taliban.

  33. Plain Jane
    October 21, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I would add that the political party with that agenda is supported by people every bit as ignorant as those who support the Taliban, fueled by the same intolerant, religious book thumping claptrap.

  34. October 21, 2012 at 9:59 am

    It was assholes with your limited tolerance that shot a 14yr old girl in Pakistan.

    This is how an anonymous Republican accuses others of being “closed-minded.”

  35. A-nony-mouse
    October 21, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Right on #32. It will be a sad day in America if these mini-minds take over in November.
    Get out there and vote. It’s the least we can do!

  36. Anonymous
    October 21, 2012 at 7:39 pm

    There you go again.

  37. Anonymous
    October 21, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    #35 just dotted the i in IGNORANT! progs are soooooo muchhhhh better than anyone elseeee!!!!!!!

  38. HUUFC
    October 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Lots of tolerance and respect for other opinions here. Apparently diversity of thought is frowned upon in this establishment. What we we write about on November seventh, I can hardly wait.

  39. Anonymous
    October 22, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Lots of tolerance here for your opinion as long as your opinion is liberal.

  40. Mitch
    October 22, 2012 at 8:07 am

    #39,

    Which tolerance are you advocating? Tolerance for those who oppose abortion in cases where the mother’s life is endangered by pregnancy, or tolerance for those who are too ignorant to be aware that such situations exist?

    You’re right. I’m intolerant of both groups of people. I understand that, for reasons of superstition, many people worry that abortion, like misplaced sperm, leaves souls homeless. I can accept that many among us carry such superstitions, and I wish them no ill. I cannot, however, accept that these people are somehow entitled to use their superstition to enforce rules leading to a society that kills women in pregnancy. That’s me: intolerant.

  41. October 22, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Lots of tolerance and respect for other opinions here.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but tolerance and respect are the hallmarks of HUUFC’s comments, right?

  42. Mitch
    October 22, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Joel,

    Practically all Herald contributors are bathed in the beautiful waters of tolerance. You’ve heard of the way of the yogi, the way of the master, etc… Tolerance is the way of the blogger.

  43. Anonymous
    October 22, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Post 39 is a perfect example of how the left are the most intolerant people of all.

  44. Just Watchin
    October 22, 2012 at 10:40 am

    If Yogi Bear is gettin a shoutout, then let’s give one to Booboo too !!!

  45. Plain Jane
    October 22, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    The few local right wing blogs I’ve checked won’t even allow people to post, much less argue the points. See Fred’s and Rose’s blogs for examples.

  46. October 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    EPICs blog is another good example PJ.

  47. notafan
    November 14, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I just blew my coffee all over the dog. PJ your funny, first that you have the brains to debate anything and two this site is the worst at what your accusing Fred and Rose of doing..

  48. November 14, 2012 at 8:17 am

    When have your comments been censored or prevented from appearing here, notafan?

  49. Smart 5th Grader
    November 14, 2012 at 9:20 am

    not a fan. If you had better reading, writing, and critical thinking skills, life would be smoother. Ideas could be exchanged with thoughtfulness and respect for self and others. Try:
    http://www.rif.org/
    http://www.criticalthinking.com/company/articles/teaching-critical-thinking-skills.jsp

  50. Plain Jane
    November 14, 2012 at 9:31 am

    And yet your blather appears here regularly, Naf, and Fred and Rose don’t allow posts PERIOD. When I give a shit about your opinion of me, or anything for that matter, I’ll yank your chain.

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