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Linda Wins!

I can go to sleep now.

http://co.humboldt.ca.us/election/results/2012/1106-electionnightfinalreport.pdf
Prop 30 looks safe too, with over half of Los Angeles’ votes to be counted and Orange County’s votes spent along with most of San Diego’s. And still lots of progressive votes to be harvested from the Bay Area, particularly Santa Clara County and the north coast counties. Unfortunately, I don’t think there are enough to turn it around for prop 34.  Humboldt County voted to stick with the death penalty anyway.

Check out some of these maps.  Usually you see contrast in colors based on right/left politics with the lib colors mostly on the coast from the bottom of Del Norte to the top of Orange.  But the Prop 37 map looks weird.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/maps/

  1. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 7:00 am

    Congratulations Linda.

    Maybe there are a couple things to learn here. I would suggest that for a well known incumbant to have come within a couple hundred votes of losing to a candidate who was totally unknown twenty minutes before the filing deadline shows a clear problem with your approach to governing. Be proud of your win but think about reaching out a little. It’s fine to be the opposition’s voice but it’s also not so terrible to try to get along a little and at least have civil conversations with those on the other side. Maybe even return a call or two that are out of your comfort zone. Have coffee with a redneck, it’s really not as bad as it seems.

    I don’t really expect anything much to change, but who knows, it’s worth thinking about.

    Congratulations.

  2. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 7:01 am

    Congratulations Linda!

  3. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Beating “an unknown candidate” who had the backing of the developer/chamber clique which owns the other 4 council members, mayor and BOS in a city-wide (not just her ward) election is an accomplishment of which she should be proud.

  4. Fact Checker
    November 7, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Dear High Finance, HUUFC, just middle class, Ponder Z, et al.
    Linda wins! And the President was re-elected to another term.
    Have a wonderful four more years.
    Sincerely,
    Fact Checker

  5. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 7:34 am

    And President Obama garnered almost 60% of the Humboldt County vote to Romney’s 34%.

  6. Not A Native
    November 7, 2012 at 8:32 am

    I’m glad Eric’s early prediction of Obama victory was correct.

  7. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 8:54 am

    So, Obama wins. Small town ,Atkins wins. No shocker here. Just keep putting our future on the credit card. Someone will pay someday. LOL! A vision of a Greek future comes to mind.

  8. Fact Checker
    November 7, 2012 at 8:58 am

    “The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from “The Fox and the Grapes,” one of Aesop’s Fables. It refers to pretending not to care for something one wants, but does not or cannot have.

    Sour grapes may also refer to:

    Sour grapes : One makes a disparaging remarks (usually untruthful) about something, when he does not get it, or when the situation does not turn out to how he wishes it to be.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_grapes

  9. November 7, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Congratulations and thank you to Linda Atkins.

  10. November 7, 2012 at 9:37 am

    So why the four conservative – (Republican) Eureka city council? Not to forget the County Supervisors…

    Plain Jane :
    And President Obama garnered almost 60% of the Humboldt County vote to Romney’s 34%.

  11. anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 9:37 am

    If the other candidates, Johnson and Stein had been allowed in the debates it would have been a fair presidential race. As it is now the people don’t know that there were choices that made more sense then Obama or Romney. The Americans are herded like sheep. Our country is a joke.

  12. longwind
    November 7, 2012 at 9:41 am

    On a related front, Austin, Texas was the biggest city to have the undemocratic citywide representation system that Eureka also suffers from. Until now:
    http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2012/11/07/proposition-3-passes-seeks-more-geographical-representation

    The NYT explains the racial/class basis for such systems:
    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/06/e-day/#Beeson

    Congratulations to Linda for overcoming the electoral fix. Now, can it be fixed?

  13. November 7, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Yeah, and the Republicans had no part in the looting? Someone is responsible for 400 people controlling all the money in this country. Be patient, though, Obama will get the job done. I’m just waiting for the day when he tells everyone there’s no more money for Social Security or anything else, but war.

    At least there is a bit a hope, if you want to call it that, a bit of a bright light in Atkins winning. At least they won’t be able get away with keeping everyone in the dark.

    Anonymous :
    So, Obama wins. Small town ,Atkins wins. No shocker here. Just keep putting our future on the credit card. Someone will pay someday. LOL! A vision of a Greek future comes to mind.

  14. Afraid of the future.
    November 7, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Linda Atkins was the incumbent and won (or did she?) by only 108 votes. I’ll bet there are at least 400 or 500 absentee ballots left to count.

    Obama won by 1% of the vote. And this was after his administration & the national media coverup of Benghazigate. There was also the media coverup of the aftermath of Sandy. Remember the thousands of reporters & TV cameras after Katrina and yet nothing after Sandy?

  15. Chicken Little
    November 7, 2012 at 9:56 am

    “The sky is falling!”

  16. retired guy
    November 7, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Obama won the popular vote too. It just shows that folks didn’t fall for the conservative lies paid for by the Koch brothers and other too wealthy people. Rove and his ilk lost big time and the “good guys” won, so there. Now, if the conservative House members, led by their spokesman, McConnell, will cooperate, with adult reasoning, maybe this country can move forward, for the betterment of the country, instead of “making Obama a one term president”. In other words, right wing conservatives, get over it.

  17. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 10:04 am

    PJ and Fact Checker, while you gloat, Linda Atkins and Obama will do nothing for the poor except empty promises. Idiots, nationally and locally, sacrificed the well-being of others because of social issues because we all know social issues of a selfish privileged liberal minority is what pays the bills.

  18. November 7, 2012 at 10:06 am

    longwind :
    On a related front, Austin, Texas was the biggest city to have the undemocratic citywide representation system that Eureka also suffers from. Until now:

    District elections failed in Santa Rosa.
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20121106/ARTICLES/121109685/1350?Title=Santa-Rosa-voters-say-no-to-district-elections

  19. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 10:23 am

    To “Afraid” #14. I have a very nice shovel I will loan you to help you bury your head in the sand. As for me, I’m going to do my best to enjoy the next four years. Congrats Linda and all the winning candidates who see our country as more than a playground for the ultra-wealthy.
    Onward and upward!!!

  20. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 10:24 am

    The Democrats have made success and wealth a negative and something to be attacked. They’re coming after you next. Retired guys are safe, working people making more than minimum wage are not.

    “Voting is the best revenge”

    Remember who said that last week and you won’t be shocked at the next four tears, er years.

  21. Smart 5th Grader
    November 7, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Right! “Working people” will be better off under an Obama administration than they ever would be under Mitt “the Jobs Exporter” Romney and his greedy CEO buds who screw American workers at every opportunity.

  22. retired guy
    November 7, 2012 at 10:40 am

    #19. What? We’re talking about the top .001%. The jerks that want to control all aspects of commerce, banking, energy, environment etc. I’m not talking about successful people who are “doing well”. All that money that spread lies, donated by “mysterious” donors, allowed by the Supreme court decision, is what I’m talking about. By the way, just who are “they”, who are “coming after me”. You are living in a nether world of fear, a fear of something that is non-existent. I’m looking forward to the next four years, hoping that the congress can cooperate with progressive and modern solutions to the problems we face as a nation. Fear is a non issue.

  23. Eric Kirk
    November 7, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Afraid of the future. :

    Linda Atkins was the incumbent and won (or did she?) by only 108 votes. I’ll bet there are at least 400 or 500 absentee ballots left to count.

    Obama won by 1% of the vote. And this was after his administration & the national media coverup of Benghazigate. There was also the media coverup of the aftermath of Sandy. Remember the thousands of reporters & TV cameras after Katrina and yet nothing after Sandy?

    208. Just saying. But it is the first progressive win in Eureka since her win four years ago and it was accomplished against a slew of negative ads. She could have taken the low road, but she didn’t. I’m very proud to have her on as the last independent voice on the council. Now maybe progressives can bury some of those old differences and come up with a strategy for two years from now. Linda’s campaign was missing some key players. I think we’re stronger together than factionaized (since 2006), don’t you?

    I think the stupid bad blood between progressives has hampered progressives in the city for over half a decade. We can win these things, and turn some of these policies around. I hope Ron Kuehnel steps up again. We have the leadership, and we potentially have the votes.

    Anyway, this was a good win!

  24. LDC
    November 7, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Congratulations to Linda Atkins; she did overcome a huge tide of negative ads (and money spent) by Bonino and several other council members-as well as the Mayor! I’m going to respond to the very first “congratulatory” posting here; I know Linda Atkins pretty well, and certainly don’t know of any council member who reaches out more often than she does. Linda really does represent all the people, she also returns calls, regularly. Try Mike Newman for a call back, or Lance. I’m thrilled with this victory for the City of Eureka; it means a lot to have someone who is intelligent, responsive and level-headed on this council. I also agree with Eric, let’s look ahead and think of who we can run in two years. The Chamber of Commerce alone should not be running this community.

  25. November 7, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Wow, still one unbought member of the council. Eureka progressives need to get it in gear for the next round. Now.

  26. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    LOSERS:I met Joe 25 years ago when I lived next door to his bed and breakfast. As former owner of a small business he understands the obstacles a small business faces in starting up. He is committed to Eureka’s future as place that works for everyone.

    —Rex Bohn, First District Supervisor

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    I have known Joe since he worked on my first campaign for city council. I would be proud to serve on the Eureka City council with Joe.

    —Frank Jager, Mayor

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    I have known Joe for many years. He has always been a straight shooter. He will be a great addition to our City Council and he has my vote! As a former second Ward Councilman myself, I am happy to endorse Joe Bonino for Eureka City Council, Second Ward.

    —Chuck Goodwin

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    I have known Joe Bonino for many years having been involved with Sons of Italy and Italian Catholic Federation and several other groups. Joe has always impressed me with his interest and knowledge about every thing that is going on both locally and beyond. I am confident that he would be a great council member for the city of Eureka.

    —Gene Senestraro

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    The kind of man I like for a leader is one who is honest and tells the truth…it’s that simple. Joe Bonino is an honest man. He is also hard working, diligent in doing his homework and deeply committed to doing the right thing…always. Recently, while working on a committee together, Joe was always the one we went to for the correct interpretation of rules or the right way to do something. I strongly support Joe Bonino for Council.

    —Marc Matteoli

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    The tougher times get the more we need people like Joe Bonino. He is more than just a smart numbers guy, he has the integrity and leadership to set priorities and oversee operations. The incumbent says she “… wastes time at Tuesday night City Council meetings,” claiming that citizens are not heard. Joe will not complain when things don’t go his way. We need a leader, not a complainer. We need people like Joe to step up. Thanks, Joe.

    —Bill Barnum

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    After working closely with Joe Bonino for ten years on at least 50 parish fundraisers, I can say he is consistently the first to volunteer, the first to show up, and the last to leave. I am certain that this kind of dedication would make for an outstanding councilman. I fully support Joe Bonino for Council.

    —Mike Richards

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    I have known Joe for 20 years. He will make a great addition to the city council!

    —John Fullerton

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    Thank you so much for having the courage to run for City Council! It’s time for real change and you sound like the right person for the job!

    —Lesa D. Christensen

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    Way to go – Joe! I particularly like the ” Everyman ” aspect to democracy. Yep, we need more like you in government.

    —Wesley Johnson

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    More Endorsers

    John Allen
    Lowell C. Allen
    Esther H. Allen
    Rich Ames
    Anne Anderson
    Jacqueline Aseltine
    L. Adele Alton
    Becca Blanc
    Dolores Blanc
    Mike Bregnahan
    Jane Burchit
    Linda Cangas
    Lora Canzoneri
    Brenda Carlson
    Lee Chappelle
    John Chiv
    Pete Ciarabellini
    Joseph Costanza
    Sue Clinesmith
    Claudia Cranford
    Sue Crivello
    Becky Crosby
    Mike Crosby
    Duane David
    Debbie David
    Elena David
    Kenneth David
    Joan DePeel
    Bonnie DuMond
    Nancy Elcock
    Stan Elcock
    Chuck Ellsworth
    Lee Gallaway
    Greg Gardiner
    Kathleen Cloney-Gardiner
    Gary Gundlach
    Joy Finley

    Daniel Freitas
    Alice Furre
    Jeanne Harris
    Robert Harris
    Raymond Hillman
    Carol Hillman
    Herbert Holm
    Philomena Holm
    Jack Hopkins
    Aaron Johnson
    Michael R. Hislop
    Frank Jager
    Sheri Katz
    Fern Kelly
    Larry Kluck
    Robin Kuhnle
    Kurt Kramer
    Jeff Lamoree
    Sharon Lamoree
    Nicola Moloney
    Selena Mendosa
    Daniel Menou
    Kimberly Menou
    Royal McCarthy
    Merle McDougal
    Olivia Mills
    Gwen Morris
    James Morrison
    Ray Miller
    Brian Mitchell
    Mark L. Nelson
    Elaine Nelson
    Mike Newman
    Mike O’Hern
    Jeri Paup
    Wes Paup

    Kay Parris
    Jim Pell
    Hank Pierson
    Sharon Pierson
    Lynda Pozel
    Monte Provolt
    Debbie Provolt
    Robert Provolt
    Harold Ricken
    Terry Roberts
    Michael Robinson
    Johanna Rodoni
    Wayne Roslosnik
    Bob Sirrine
    Sande Sirrine
    Jeremiah Scott, Jr.
    Mary Scott
    Leo Sears
    Irene Simoni
    Gary Sokolow
    Barb Sokolow
    PK Wagner
    Christine Wilkinson
    Ed Wilkinson
    Zachary Wilkinson
    Mike White
    Mary Beth Wolford
    Toby Woolf
    Devin Theobald
    Sam Trumbull
    Doug Vieyra
    Lily Vieyra
    Mike Yancheeff
    Nick Yancheeff
    Mary Zovich

  27. tra
    November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Congrats to Linda, she deserved to win. She earned the support of the majority by being a smart, open-minded, and thoughtful public servant, who works hard, does her homework, and stands up for what she believes is in the best interest of her constituents. Even those who may disagree with her on some issues should be able to recognize that she clearly represents the concerns of a large number of Eureka residents, whose voices deserve to be heard on the city council.

    Having any one particular clique or faction hold complete control of a city council, without even a single dissenting voice, is not good for the city at large, and incidentally, in the long run, not even good for the controlling faction. No one group is ever going to be right all the time, and never going to overreach or misstep. Having at least one effective, articulate purveyor of a differing point of view on hand ensures that policy discussions do not become dangerously narrowed and important concerns cannot so easily be missed or ignored. Whether they know it or not, the current council majority is actually better off having Linda on board than they would have been without her. And, more importantly, the city itself is better off when a broader set of views is represented in council deliberations.

  28. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Besides, they need someone to blame when anything goes wrong!

  29. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “But it is the first progressive win in Eureka since her win four years ago”. #22

    Atkins is the 7th progressive-democrat to win in a generation, and 2 of those 7 had the support of deep pocket republicans for one of their terms!

    If the media did its job, this would be common knowledge. Instead, we suffer another election year reported completely out of context….how on Earth does an unknown office worker file his papers within an hour of the deadline, slather the TV with attack ads and nearly win against an incumbent with notable personal achievements, community involvement, and unquestioned integrity? How on Earth did a professional job-exporter get out of the presidential election-gate while hiding his taxes from the American people?

    Kirk is partly correct.

    Right wingers always put their differences aside in elections to float the most average candidates to the top…while the “left” can only agree on backing “Jesus”.

    However, the process is thoroughly corrupted by money, local media refuses to look, and thousands more potential voters refuse to register, in effect, the majority! The fewer that vote, the more entrenched and “normal” the corruption becomes, and more folks stop participating! A predictable cycle.

    We can continue to expect glacial progressive changes here, and in the nation, while over half the eligible voters abstain!

  30. tra
    November 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    “Besides, they need someone to blame when anything goes wrong!”

    LOL!

  31. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    As President Obama said yesterday,

    “That’s the future we hope for. That’s the vision we share. That’s where we need to go — forward. That’s where we need to go.

    “But that doesn’t mean your work is done.

    “The role of citizens in our democracy does not end with your vote. America’s never been about what can be done for us; it’s about what can be done by us together, through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self- government.That’s the principle we were founded on.”

    Yes Sir, Mr. President! Thank you for reminding Americans that we ALL have a duty to ensure our nation remains free. Self-government requires the efforts of us ALL.

  32. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Has anyone else noticed that in the Arcata Council race, the under vote was 46%. This is the highest of any council in the county and a fairly compelling argument for “None Of The Above”.

  33. retired guy
    November 7, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Why in the world are folks upset that Joe was not a winner? The council is comprised of 4 conservative members who practically vote in lockstep on most issues. Why not have at least one person represent a view that differs from the other 4? What is there to fear? One against 4 is hardly a mandate. 4 against 1 is a mandate, and a mandate that doesn’t necessarily represent the view of all Eurekans. Right?

  34. High Finance
    November 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    retired guy :
    #19. What? We’re talking about the top .001%. The jerks that want to control all aspects of commerce, banking, energy, environment etc. I’m not talking about successful people who are “doing well”. All that money that spread lies, donated by “mysterious” donors, allowed by the Supreme court decision, is what I’m talking about. By the way, just who are “they”, who are “coming after me”. You are living in a nether world of fear, a fear of something that is non-existent. I’m looking forward to the next four years, hoping that the congress can cooperate with progressive and modern solutions to the problems we face as a nation. Fear is a non issue.

    You make a distinction between “Jerks” and those “doing well”. Ok. Serious question. Could you give us an income level that cuts those two classes? In other words is $300,000 doing well and $1 mill are the jerks or ? Maybe $500,000 are doing well and $2 mill jerks?

  35. Thirdeye
    November 7, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I’m part of that elite group of 90 that voted for Bean when the major candidates were a choice between stupid and stupid. No regrets.

  36. Just Middle Finance
    November 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    I be the Jerk. I own Gas Stations on the Northcoast and I charge my customers as much as I possibly can. Additionally I pay adults minimum wage who consequently can qualify for social programs. But I don’t care because it’s all legal. I only wish I could change my station to vending machines so those ungrateful employees and customers would stop ripping me off. After all, I’m not in the business of creating jobs; I am in the business of creating wealth and profits for me.

  37. Mitch
    November 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    High Finance,

    Welcome back. You probably know someone here commented a while back that you were Joe Bonino — care to confirm or deny?

    As for “jerks” versus those doing well, I realize you didn’t pose the question to me, but I’ll take a stab at it. There are many people making a lot of money that I don’t think of as jerks. President Obama makes a few hundred thousand a year, and I don’t think he’s a jerk. Rock stars, sports figures, executives and celebrities may make millions, and I don’t consider them jerks, at least not because of their incomes.

    But we’ve seen over the last thirty or forty years groups of people emerge from Wall Street and business schools who think money is everything: Wall Street bankers who give themselves bonuses after tanking the economy, and who think they deserve them; CEOs who hollow out their company pension plans, refuse to invest in modernizing their factories, and build new factories offshore — they’re jerks.

    Most of us “little people” don’t object to people making big money — you’re the one who keeps asserting it’s all envy and jealousy. We object to people screwing their neighbors to make huge sums of money, laughing all the way to the Swiss bank, and then complaining when they are called upon to pay taxes to keep their now-unemployed neighbors from starving. We object to thievery that happens to be legal, because the thieves had an in when the law was written.

    We object to injustice.

  38. Just Middle Finance
    November 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Forgetabout the income numbers. My employees are scraping out a living and I am making a killing! Ka-Ching!!!!!!

  39. Thirdeye
    November 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Hi Fi, so brave of you to show up on this wonderful day. Didn’t you promise that “we’ll have this discussion again come November” after Bohn trounced Seidner? We’re ready! No complaint about either result here.

  40. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    What part of the “we’re talking about the top .001%” don’t you understand, HiFi? If you can’t afford to drop a couple million on a political campaign to get hundreds of millions in tax breaks a year or regulations designed for your benefit, you don’t qualify.

  41. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    High Finance predicted: “Romney wins the popular vote by 2-3% and wins about 300 in the Electoral College.”

    https://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/does-obama-have-it-in-the-bag/#comment-184215

    Hey, he was close….all you have to do is substitute “Obama” for “Romney,” and the prediction looks pretty good!

  42. Mitch
    November 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Petty, #40, petty. If he was only off by one word, I’d say he nailed it.

  43. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    It’s about time for the world to put pressure on countries which allow secret accounts to evade taxes. I read a few months ago that there is hidden in these banks an estimated 13 to 20 trillion pounds sterling, untaxed.

  44. Eric Kirk
    November 7, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Anonymous :

    LOSERS:I met Joe 25 years ago when I lived next door to his bed and breakfast. As former owner of a small business he understands the obstacles a small business faces in starting up. He is committed to Eureka’s future as place that works for everyone.

    —Rex Bohn, First District Supervisor

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    I have known Joe since he worked on my first campaign for city council. I would be proud to serve on the Eureka City council with Joe.

    —Frank Jager, Mayor

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    I have known Joe for many years. He has always been a straight shooter. He will be a great addition to our City Council and he has my vote! As a former second Ward Councilman myself, I am happy to endorse Joe Bonino for Eureka City Council, Second Ward.

    —Chuck Goodwin

    ——————————————————————————–

    I have known Joe Bonino for many years having been involved with Sons of Italy and Italian Catholic Federation and several other groups. Joe has always impressed me with his interest and knowledge about every thing that is going on both locally and beyond. I am confident that he would be a great council member for the city of Eureka.

    —Gene Senestraro

    ——————————————————————————–

    The kind of man I like for a leader is one who is honest and tells the truth…it’s that simple. Joe Bonino is an honest man. He is also hard working, diligent in doing his homework and deeply committed to doing the right thing…always. Recently, while working on a committee together, Joe was always the one we went to for the correct interpretation of rules or the right way to do something. I strongly support Joe Bonino for Council.

    —Marc Matteoli

    ——————————————————————————–

    The tougher times get the more we need people like Joe Bonino. He is more than just a smart numbers guy, he has the integrity and leadership to set priorities and oversee operations. The incumbent says she “… wastes time at Tuesday night City Council meetings,” claiming that citizens are not heard. Joe will not complain when things don’t go his way. We need a leader, not a complainer. We need people like Joe to step up. Thanks, Joe.

    —Bill Barnum

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    After working closely with Joe Bonino for ten years on at least 50 parish fundraisers, I can say he is consistently the first to volunteer, the first to show up, and the last to leave. I am certain that this kind of dedication would make for an outstanding councilman. I fully support Joe Bonino for Council.

    —Mike Richards

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    I have known Joe for 20 years. He will make a great addition to the city council!

    —John Fullerton

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    Thank you so much for having the courage to run for City Council! It’s time for real change and you sound like the right person for the job!

    —Lesa D. Christensen

    ——————————————————————————–

    Way to go – Joe! I particularly like the ” Everyman ” aspect to democracy. Yep, we need more like you in government.

    —Wesley Johnson

    ——————————————————————————–

    More Endorsers

    John Allen
    Lowell C. Allen
    Esther H. Allen
    Rich Ames
    Anne Anderson
    Jacqueline Aseltine
    L. Adele Alton
    Becca Blanc
    Dolores Blanc
    Mike Bregnahan
    Jane Burchit
    Linda Cangas
    Lora Canzoneri
    Brenda Carlson
    Lee Chappelle
    John Chiv
    Pete Ciarabellini
    Joseph Costanza
    Sue Clinesmith
    Claudia Cranford
    Sue Crivello
    Becky Crosby
    Mike Crosby
    Duane David
    Debbie David
    Elena David
    Kenneth David
    Joan DePeel
    Bonnie DuMond
    Nancy Elcock
    Stan Elcock
    Chuck Ellsworth
    Lee Gallaway
    Greg Gardiner
    Kathleen Cloney-Gardiner
    Gary Gundlach
    Joy Finley

    Daniel Freitas
    Alice Furre
    Jeanne Harris
    Robert Harris
    Raymond Hillman
    Carol Hillman
    Herbert Holm
    Philomena Holm
    Jack Hopkins
    Aaron Johnson
    Michael R. Hislop
    Frank Jager
    Sheri Katz
    Fern Kelly
    Larry Kluck
    Robin Kuhnle
    Kurt Kramer
    Jeff Lamoree
    Sharon Lamoree
    Nicola Moloney
    Selena Mendosa
    Daniel Menou
    Kimberly Menou
    Royal McCarthy
    Merle McDougal
    Olivia Mills
    Gwen Morris
    James Morrison
    Ray Miller
    Brian Mitchell
    Mark L. Nelson
    Elaine Nelson
    Mike Newman
    Mike O’Hern
    Jeri Paup
    Wes Paup

    Kay Parris
    Jim Pell
    Hank Pierson
    Sharon Pierson
    Lynda Pozel
    Monte Provolt
    Debbie Provolt
    Robert Provolt
    Harold Ricken
    Terry Roberts
    Michael Robinson
    Johanna Rodoni
    Wayne Roslosnik
    Bob Sirrine
    Sande Sirrine
    Jeremiah Scott, Jr.
    Mary Scott
    Leo Sears
    Irene Simoni
    Gary Sokolow
    Barb Sokolow
    PK Wagner
    Christine Wilkinson
    Ed Wilkinson
    Zachary Wilkinson
    Mike White
    Mary Beth Wolford
    Toby Woolf
    Devin Theobald
    Sam Trumbull
    Doug Vieyra
    Lily Vieyra
    Mike Yancheeff
    Nick Yancheeff
    Mary Zovich

    The campaign’s over dude. He lost. Time to move on.

  45. Political Watcher
    November 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Let’s discuss potential WHY’s about why the other four council members and the rest of the business elite/good ol’ boys wanted Linda off the Council in the first place:

    Reason #1: Because she shines light on decisions the rest of them would like to keep quiet and completely uncontested, e.g. giving their friends on the Eureka Chamber of Commerce a gift every year of $100,000, firing Garr Nielsen, settling suits because of Dave Tyson’s vindictive negligence, etc., etc.

    Reason #2: Because she has (some) access to the information and documents that detail and describe Dave Tyson’s mis-steps and stranglehold on Eureka long-term and short-term policy. That is dangerous to the powers-that-be.

    Anyone care to add?

  46. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Anyone care to add?

    Check the religious affiliations.Institutionalized bigotry…

  47. Anonymous
    November 7, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Why would anyone want Linda off? She is a disagreeable,slow whited biaccch! That’s #1. Now must one go down the a b c’s? Hell, even you dim bulbs at the HCDCC know what a lack luster dud she is. Of course she hits a lot of minority points for you or you would turn your back on her too. So she wins. Big woof. You progs would vote for a steaming pile of crap if it could get registered as a dem.

  48. A Prog
    November 8, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Dear Anon #46,
    In the words of Nelson Muntz, “Ha-Haw”

  49. High Finance
    November 8, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Times Standard this morning reports there are over 7,000 absentee & other ballots remaining to be counted.

  50. High Finance
    November 8, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Mitch, there are rich “jerks”, middle class jerks and poor jerks. There are liberal jerks and there are conservative jerks. The rich are no different from you except they have more money.

    The Democrats have spent billions of dollars attacking the wealthy and creating class division in order to win votes. They use divide & conquer in order to rule. I don’t blame them in a sense because they cannot win based on ideas. I blame the people that have fallen for this class warfare.

  51. Spundip
    November 8, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Welcome back, Joe

  52. November 8, 2012 at 7:40 am

    HiFi,

    I agree completely with your first paragraph. The problem for our democracy is that billionaires who are jerks can sometimes bend society to their will, and we need a system that protects against that.

    Karl Rove spent $400 million trying to make the worst candidate in memory into the President of the United States, and he came close. Fortunately, the GOP’s war on science extends to not believing polls, so the money was wasted. It’s the same way the Soviet Union destroyed itself by putting politics above scientific reality. Now that he’s lost, there will be hell to pay — that’s why he looked even paler than usual on Fox when they called it for the President so early in the night. Sell your soul to the devil, and the devil comes calling.

  53. November 8, 2012 at 7:45 am

    And here’s one example of how the GOP works to tilt the playing field where they are in office: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/poll-democratic-demographics-faced-significantly-longer-voting-lines.php?ref=fpb

  54. Anonymous
    November 8, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Sorry Mitch. The worst candidate in history just won a second term . A great man like Romney who would have been a great president was not mean,nasty and dishonest . . That’s what it takes to counter the horror of the liberal win-a-all-costs machine. 4 mores years of golf,JZ, hand outs and empty promises. Wow! what a great day for america.

  55. Nelson Muntz
    November 8, 2012 at 8:59 am

    “That’s what it takes to counter the horror of the liberal win-a-all-costs machine…”

    Two names #53: Lee Atwater and Carl Rove. Oh, and throw in Dick Morris.
    When the chickens come home to roost, it’s time to start eating those sour grapes.

    PS – by “mean and nasty” did you mean Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, or Michael Savage?

  56. Plain Jane
    November 8, 2012 at 8:59 am

    #53 must be from the “everything is opposite” universe or really dumb.

  57. November 8, 2012 at 9:50 am

    This is CLASSIC “pot calling the kettle black” crap. While you may be a “jerk” Mitch you certainly don’t need me defending your character flaws. The Democrats didn’t have to create anything. The “division” was already there manifest in these wannabe elitists “Believers.” This country is in a “Cold Revolution” that’s for sure, but not between these classes of voters. No ideas? Since when can Republican Conservative “Believers” get the thought they are even capable of “ideas”?

    High Finance :
    Mitch, there are rich “jerks”, middle class jerks and poor jerks. There are liberal jerks and there are conservative jerks. The rich are no different from you except they have more money.
    The Democrats have spent billions of dollars attacking the wealthy and creating class division in order to win votes. They use divide & conquer in order to rule. I don’t blame them in a sense because they cannot win based on ideas. I blame the people that have fallen for this class warfare.

  58. Eric Kirk
    November 8, 2012 at 11:03 am

    High Finance :

    Times Standard this morning reports there are over 7,000 absentee & other ballots remaining to be counted.

    Generally speaking, the late absentees which haven’t been counted break the same way as election day voting, benefitting the progressive candidate – as happened with Chris K. against Rex a few years back. But anything’s possible.

  59. retired guy
    November 8, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I had no idea that the word “jerk” would be so hard for HiFi or any other conservative to understand. A jerk is someone who is super rich, contributes millions to the Republican party in order to get special favors or decisions and can do that without declaring such monetary donations due to the bullshit decision of the Supremes. In other words, very rich people trying to control our government strictly for their personal benefit. These are the assholes who are jerks. Now do you understand?

  60. Living In Eureka
    November 8, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Congratulations Ms. Atkins! You overcame their negative campaign of half-truths, out right lies, & a pot full of big money! The people of Eureka need your voice & told the city this with their votes! I’m sure you, your family & your supporter have worked very hard through this campaign. As one voice & one vote in this city – thank you from the bottom of my heart! In two years I hope we have more voices like yours to remove Newman & Brady. I know I won’t forget the Jefferson School debacle. It is also time for the businesses of this city to get in step with the rest of the state to finance the Chamber with their own money! Joe Bonino’s major claim to fame is removing graffiti????

  61. Thirdeye
    November 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Hi Fi, class divisions have been heightened by over 30 years of upwards-redisitributive economic policy and the beneficiaries of said policy who have turned their backs on the rest of the country. Don’t whine when the political consequences come home to roost and rich jerks lose their leverage as a result. I’m sure you’d rather have the economic middle (or what’s left of it) continue to blame those who have been hardest hit by social and economic division rather than those who caused it.

  62. Eric Kirk
    November 8, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    Living in Eureka – I think the Jefferson crowd turned out heavy, and yes, Linda’s win can probably be credited to them.

  63. tra
    November 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Well said, Thirdeye. That’s it in a nutshell.

  64. not a fan
    November 8, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    No Mitch your wrong, the worst person to be president won. Its a shame. You all keep up this class and money distinction. Funny as hell. The money will leave California. California will continue to spend more, will tax more.Just a stupid dance. Sorry to see California go down the tube. Lets just see how much prop.30 money goes from general fund to school. Last time they passed this bill not a dime went to schools. We spend more money per student and I believe we are 49th in the nation. Def: insanity= doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. When every one that makes 250 has moved, down it comes to 150, and on and on.

    I see Salzman running his mouth on here full time. What an arrogant ass. I believe his brother is retired guy, same kind of ass.

    Linda is a figurehead for the progs. Only one left. Four to one. She is nothing but a rather ugly, very mouthy distraction. She votes with majority 95 plus percent of the time. Mostly because they are doing what is good for Eureka. Its like the progs are playing with themselves voting for her.

  65. Smart 5th Grader
    November 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    No real way to respond to a bunch of hateful barf like not a fan. Way to kill a thread, not a fan (but a real troll).

  66. tra
    November 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    “We spend more money per student…””

    Not even close:

    “California falls to 35th in nation in per pupil education spending.”

    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/21/4579408/california-falls-to-35th-in-nation.html

  67. Plain Jane
    November 8, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Don’t try to confuse him with facts, TRA. He don’t need no stupid facts to inform a logical opinion. He might lose his one accomplishment, being a no information voter.

  68. Anonymous
    November 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    You libs are a real trip. All your proggie policies are taking Callie and the Nation down the drain. Your enlightened way out? More F’ing taxes. Would be a great joke if it weren’t so F’ing sad.. Now take cheap shots at anyone you want but the reality is that unbalanced liberalism is destroying this great experiment.Obama is so much less than even a joke. He is the flim-flam-man of nothingness.

  69. Plain Jane
    November 8, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Yeah, #67. The economy always sucks when our tax rates slow the rate of wealth accumulation at the top and the working classes make enough to survive without food stamps.

  70. notafan
    November 9, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Spoken like a true socialist. Dumb, dumb.

  71. Anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 8:35 am

    PJ, as usual you talk a line of crap you no little to nothing about. Any local dairyman knows more about work/economics/reality than all the heraldite progs combined. Keep drinking the kool-aid and pissing liberty away.

  72. Anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 8:48 am

    #69 and #70 – The bitterness of defeat is oozing from your comments. The rest of us continue to laugh along with your sour grapes trolling. If you’re interested in liberty you might start with authoritarian restrictions on a woman’s reproductive rights, or free speech that is not defined by a corporation. The People have spoken and they don’t agree with you.

    And #70: you “no” little about spelling…

  73. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 9:01 am

    The problem with people like you, NAF and #70, is that you don’t know that countries and dairies have different economic systems. You can’t run a country with a household or dairy budget and you can’t run a household or dairy with a national budget. Although it’s delightful when dairymen who benefit from price supports and import barriers whine about socialism.

    If you didn’t have those socialist programs to keep your farm profitable, what would you do if the creamery corporation who buys your milk decided they wanted to pay their stockholders more and you less because you can’t stop them and because their taxes won’t increase. You, on the other hand, are now paying no taxes because you aren’t making enough to even feed your cows and now on top of that the corporatists are calling you a bum because you aren’t paying taxes. You could, of course, sell your dairy (that you likely inherited) and retire, but most Americans don’t have that option.

  74. Mitch
    November 9, 2012 at 9:05 am

    And if it weren’t for regulation and government reporting requirements, what would you do if your dairy’s CEO…. uh, wait, never mind. Didn’t Reagan and Bush cut back on regulation and reporting requirements?

  75. anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 9:15 am

    You shouldn’t jump to any conclusions about Linda Atkins winning except that it is damn tough to defeat an incumbent, any incumbent. Obam proved that.

  76. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 9:35 am

    All Obama’s election proved was that a slim majority of Americans still have the good sense to reject a lying, flim-flam, flip-flopping, anti-American sociopath, #74.

  77. November 9, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Stupid is as stupid does, they say. When you can get some people, say nearly half the voters to vote AGAINST their own self-interest, say those that make $25,000 a year or less to vote Republican – well, in my book, that about says it all.

  78. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 10:07 am

    I saw an interesting set of US maps the other day. One shows the 2012 election results delineated by red and blue alongside a civil war map using 3 different colors to delineate free, slave and open to slavery territories. It’s striking to see that most of the areas which were free then are dark blue now and most of the areas which were slave and open to slavery are red now.

    This is the civil war map and you can compare it to the current election map.

    http://www.learner.org/biographyofamerica/prog10/maps/

  79. Just Middle Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 10:11 am

    If my buddy Joe, er, I mean Hi Fi was here, he’d set you all straight. Don’t tax the rich at all because they create jobs. Actually, job creation is a cost of creating wealth (at times). Anyway, the rich end up creating jobs whether they like it or not, so give em a break on taxes so some trickles down to the working Americans. Historically, the middle class has always been the back bone of society so they will continue to do so. The poor need to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps, it’s called “tough love”. Somebody needs to love the unemployed children of America enough to take them off the dole and end socialized education once and for all. We’re already on the slippery slope to socialized medicine. Why should Hi Fi and I pay for some kids education and health care? Survival of the fittest. Bootstraps!

  80. tra
    November 9, 2012 at 10:58 am

    P.J.,

    There were a couple of articles about that before the election. Given how striking the similarity is between the maps of free states / slave states and the map of the current electoral college outcome, it’s interesting that there hasn’t been more discussion about this.

    I guess it’s considered impolite, and perhaps somewhat dangerous, to discuss the reality of Republican dominance in the former Confederacy during the presidency of America’s first black president. After all, it points to a troubling question: How much is the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and the KKK and general bigotry still a factor in elections in the former Confederate states today? It seems pretty clear that the answer is not “none.”

  81. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I think it goes deeper than that, Tra, down to basic values. People who put profit over humanity versus those who don’t and the shades of purple between them. If you did a map of support for women’s rights, gay rights, minimum wage and unions it would probably be quite similar. Colorado, New Mexico and Florida turning blue (even if not consistently) is likely due to changed demographic more than changed ideology of the descendants of the settlers. So is it DNA or culture?

  82. anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Joe Blow :
    Stupid is as stupid does, they say. When you can get some people, say nearly half the voters to vote AGAINST their own self-interest, say those that make $25,000 a year or less to vote Republican – well, in my book, that about says it all.

    Stupid is as stupid does is right. What is the real self interest of those that make $25,000 a year or less? More handouts or a job? If you want more handouts then vote Democrat. If you want more jobs then vote Republican. Selfish people who are Retired Guys can’t give a damn about jobs and just want more handouts.

  83. anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    tra :
    P.J.,
    There were a couple of articles about that before the election. Given how striking the similarity is between the maps of free states / slave states and the map of the current electoral college outcome, it’s interesting that there hasn’t been more discussion about this.
    I guess it’s considered impolite, and perhaps somewhat dangerous, to discuss the reality of Republican dominance in the former Confederacy during the presidency of America’s first black president. After all, it points to a troubling question: How much is the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and the KKK and general bigotry still a factor in elections in the former Confederate states today? It seems pretty clear that the answer is not “none.”

    You seem to be of average intelligence so I can only think your profound prejudice against Republicans caused you to make such a moronic post. If you look at the maps that have blue & red breakdowns by county you would be better informed. The Republicans are no more KKK, slave owners or members of the Confederate army than Democrats are queers, poor, dope dealers and illegals.

    Yes I used impolitic words to describe you. Doesn’t feel good does it?
    Your rant appealed to the less intelligent and more prejudiced people like your P.J. But is does not further any attempt at real understanding.

  84. Jack Sherman
    November 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “…the GOP’s war on science extends to not believing polls, so the money was wasted”. (Mitch).

    Whether it’s Meg Whitman or Joe Bonino, outspending opponents 2 to 1 is a safe bet for a win in a system corrupted by money. The majority of eligible Americans sense this corruption and they NEVER VOTE.

    If the HCDCC/unions/teachers/progressive groups/businesses, continue to avoid the first-ever voter education-registration canvass in Eureka, we can expect a full-slate of right-wing governance by 2016. Will our opponents be first to begin local voter-I.D. laws?

    As a generation of abysmal turnouts worsens, blogs, media, pundits, educators, business, family and neighbors, continue debating elections entirely outside of their corrupt context and minority-participation charade.

  85. anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Here is one map by county.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

  86. Goldie
    November 9, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “They’ want you to believe that money can out do the influence of a good group of active citizens. “They” want you to feel defeated. Look at shell shocked Romney, and poor Mr Rove scrapping around trying to explain why their money did not work. Out spent by $10,000 dollars Linda Atkins held her own against Mr. Joe. We are still waiting for a official calling of the race but it looks like proof positive that feet and phones can beat money and spin.

  87. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Cutting taxes on the bosses doesn’t create jobs #51. Been there and done that – negative job growth and a tanked economy. It seems to me that the only solution is for the rich to take a smaller share of the pie to leave an adequate share for the rest to survive. (Lower incomes for themselves and higher incomes for the rest.) Raising rates at the top and freezing them below will result in either lower incomes for those at the top to reduce their tax bill and higher incomes below which WILL create jobs and consequently increase govt. revenue; OR higher taxes from the top to help pay for the lack of jobs below. Raising taxes on working class, the fuel of the economy, would decrease consumption and cost jobs. Cutting govt. spending means fewer jobs. It’s weird how the right gets hysterical about the loss of military industrial jobs and the damage that would do to the country, but don’t notice the damage from public sector jobs all across the country, both to the economy and society. They don’t count the damage to communities burdened by increased numbers of needy as their funding evaporates, in fact they use it as a stick to beat us with as if they didn’t cause it. Tax policy has to be reality based. Arithmetic has no political agenda.

    But anyway, the next 4 years with be interesting and I’m hoping not in the Chinese curse sense.

  88. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    * adjusts glasses… *will be interesting

  89. tra
    November 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Okay, Anon 12:02, the fact that the electoral map today just happens to look almost exactly like the map of free states vs. slaves states is just completely coincidental, and the tone of the President’s skin-color did not influence the votes of any Southern inheritors of the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. Sure…if you say so.

  90. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Again, Tra, its about basic values. You either believe that all people are entitled to dignity and the pursuit of happiness, privacy, equal rights, justice and opportunity or you don’t. Regions in which the majority view is that some people should be denied equal rights, regardless which ranking system they used (race, gender, religion, economic status, or political ideology) are also anti-labor, anti-environmental regulation and pro-corporate personhood. You either believe government policies’ primary directive should be advancing and securing the overall general welfare of the country, or you don’t.

  91. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    #51, If a businessman has an income of $500,000 from his small business with 10 employees has to choose between paying his workers more or paying a sharply increasing tax rate over a certain level, he might be encouraged to pay his employees more. Multiply that throughout the country and that’s a lot of job creation in the private and public sectors Certainly a lot more job creation than giving him a 20% tax cut, and playing tax games and shifting costs onto the state, with the end result being the employees having less money to spend with corresponding further reduction in jobs and even less govt. revenues as demand for services increases. The government can’t stop economy destroying greed, but it can make it less appealing.

  92. Gubment Benny
    November 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Just don’t cut my disability or EBT…….life is good. Grow some pot in the hood, buy a nice truck w/cash, get a PG&E discount for my indoor……..because I’m on welfare in Humboldt. Dats how I roll……stack dat gold!!! Machiavelli, do ya smell me?

  93. Anonymous
    November 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    “proof positive that feet and phones can beat money and spin.”

    No Goldie….it’s proof positive that there are exceptions to the rule that money wins. Otherwise, there’s no way Bonino could have come that close, despite the few “feet and phones” in today’s campaigns.

    If we were a humble people, we would know how much trouble we’re in.

  94. November 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “Stupid is as stupid does is right. What is the real self interest of those that make $25,000 a year or less? More handouts or a job? If you want more handouts then vote Democrat. If you want more jobs then vote Republican. Selfish people who are Retired Guys can’t give a damn about jobs and just want more handouts.” [Emphasis added]

    This statement proves my point about stupidity. The most and the biggest handouts given go to big oil and big banks, etc. People making $25,000 obviously have a job. Republican’s making jobs is an illusion, in fact it’s a flat out lie. Keep repeating lies and pretty soon they become the truth – Republicans are the working man’s and woman’s best friend.

  95. High Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I’m sorry my point was completely missed by you Retired Guy. But “Jerk” and “Rich” are not synonyms. You should try reading something other that the Wash Post or PJ or watch a different channel for news other than MSNBC.

    PJ, if that businessman with an income of $500,000 has a tax increase next year for federal and California taxes of $50,000 (and that is not even counting the increased health insurance costs) it is only natural to assume he will cut back expenses. If Obamacare punishes him for having over 50 employees he will lay off people to get under it. If his part timers over 30 hours per week count against him in the formula don’t you think a lot of the part timers will have their hours cut below that?

  96. High Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Jobs are “the working man’s and woman’s best friend” Joe Blow.

    Obama does not have good paying jobs as his number one priority. Just today it was announced that he is locking up hundreds of thousands of more acres in the mid west so we can’t develope the oil shale fields. That will not only cost us tens of thousands of good paying jobs but increase our dependence on imported oil.

  97. Just Middle Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    HiFi. You are making us conservatives look dumb. Mitch and others have already stated “rich” and “jerk” are not synonymous. Unfortunately, many rich people like me are jerks. We charge our neighbors as much as we can possibly squeeze out of them, we pay as low of wages as the law allows, and we howl when they talk about raising minimum wage. Additionally, we pay substantially lower tax rates than our employees. Throughout the “Great Recession” we have been raising rents and the cost of gasoline at the station I inherited. Profits are soaring and my employees and tenants are feeling the hurt. How in the world could they not think we are jerks?

  98. November 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    If you want to see how they were thinking, this is probably not bad on the subject.

    http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/11/i-am-sorry-only-wonkette-is-capable-of-dealing-with-the-crazy-at-an-appropriate-level-today.html

    For myself, I’ve felt a kind of pleasant calm since Wednesday morning that normally would occur around a birthday. It’s a very good feeling, and of course questions would come as to just why.

    I think it’s because the intuition can be there that enough of ‘real America’ is beginning to wake up. That means especially the relatively well off, who realize that things are just not going to go as they thought, and that they are going to have to give up the fantasy finally, before the roof really does cave in..

    For me this would mean that the Great Lie comes to be seen through, that selfishness for self and any immediate family is any answer to how even the economic part of society operates effectively. It’s an old lie, brought over from a misinterpretation in England of what a Scottish moral philosopher was about in his words of a time — of course Adam Smith.

    That article I posted from the recent Smithsonian shows this in action, on Thomas Jefferson, as he withdrew from his fine words of thinking, and returned to slavery, which built, supported, and operated his grand Monticello from the village below the eyesight of visitors.

    Why did he change his mind? He told why, in a 1792 letter to Washington, who actually had given up his slaves. He said it was because he had calculated that raising slaves was a business with a consistent 4% return, continuously into the future.

    Myths operate at a very deep level in us, and result in the kinds of fantastical talk that comes many places, and sometimes here. I guess that is why at an equally deep place, a sense of recognition comes, when those myths shows it comes to its end.

    That for me is the real sense and benefit of what occurred late on Tuesday.

  99. November 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    ‘one of those myths’, near the end — it’s either my editing, or how this browser acts with WordPress, as there are too many of these.

  100. Thirdeye
    November 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    High Finance :

    PJ, if that businessman with an income of $500,000 has a tax increase next year for federal and California taxes of $50,000 (and that is not even counting the increased health insurance costs) it is only natural to assume he will cut back expenses. If Obamacare punishes him for having over 50 employees he will lay off people to get under it. If his part timers over 30 hours per week count against him in the formula don’t you think a lot of the part timers will have their hours cut below that?

    Nonpartisan congressional analysts disagree with you. There is no evidence that higher tax rates depress job growth until marginal tax rates are well in excess of 50%. 50% is what the top marginal rate was in the Reagan era. Of course, McConnell and company acted to suppress the analysts’ report. Who should we believe, the analysts who have addressed these issues rigorously or Republican self-styled experts who talk out their asses based on ideology and gut feelings? After all they had such a wonderful record going against the number crunchers in this last election /sarcasm/.

  101. Thirdeye
  102. not a fan
    November 9, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Read the guy who wrote the papers political affiliation. Nonpartisan congressional analysts, what a fucking joke. You understand economics bout as well as PJ. Funny how the folks who don’t make or build shit are all so smart about money. If your so great at it how come you want mine. Funniest part is your not going to get it, Money and productive people are fleeing this state. Leaving all of you in a world of shit you created.

  103. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t want or need your money personally, NAF, your country does. Your hatred of those you consider inferior to you shouldn’t interfere with your patriotic duty to pay for the wars and tax cuts your chosen leaders inflicted on us. Hell, I didn’t even vote for the bastards and I’m willing to help pay for their damage.

  104. Thirdeye
    November 9, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    The paper was produced by the Congressional Research Service, under the lead authorship of Thomas Hungerford. Here’s a direct link to the PDF:

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf

    Seems NAF is as resistant to factual and logical argumentation as the rest of the Republicans. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

  105. High Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Just Middle Finance :
    HiFi. You are making us conservatives look dumb. Mitch and others have already stated “rich” and “jerk” are not synonymous. Unfortunately, many rich people like me are jerks. We charge our neighbors as much as we can possibly squeeze out of them, we pay as low of wages as the law allows, and we howl when they talk about raising minimum wage. Additionally, we pay substantially lower tax rates than our employees. Throughout the “Great Recession” we have been raising rents and the cost of gasoline at the station I inherited. Profits are soaring and my employees and tenants are feeling the hurt. How in the world could they not think we are jerks?

    Are you a hypocrite or just a liar ?

  106. High Finance
    November 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Thirdeye :

    High Finance :
    PJ, if that businessman with an income of $500,000 has a tax increase next year for federal and California taxes of $50,000 (and that is not even counting the increased health insurance costs) it is only natural to assume he will cut back expenses. If Obamacare punishes him for having over 50 employees he will lay off people to get under it. If his part timers over 30 hours per week count against him in the formula don’t you think a lot of the part timers will have their hours cut below that?

    Nonpartisan congressional analysts disagree with you. There is no evidence that higher tax rates depress job growth until marginal tax rates are well in excess of 50%. 50% is what the top marginal rate was in the Reagan era. Of course, McConnell and company acted to suppress the analysts’ report. Who should we believe, the analysts who have addressed these issues rigorously or Republican self-styled experts who talk out their asses based on ideology and gut feelings? After all they had such a wonderful record going against the number crunchers in this last election /sarcasm/.

    The marginal rates will be way over 50% in California when you combine the federal & state rates next year.

  107. Thirdeye
    November 10, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Hi Fi, stop making stuff up.

  108. Lev Davidovich
    November 10, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Everyone talks about marginal tax rates and nominal tax rates. . .but when the rich (or their flunkies) write a check to a government taxing agency, the percentage of their income they’re paying is tiny. With write-offs, incentives, tax-free bonds, offshore banking and just plain accounting fraud (remember Arthur Andersen and what they did for Kenny Lay? The rich pay their accountants a whole lot more than YOU make), they PAY squat in taxes.

  109. 713
    November 10, 2012 at 7:43 am

    And yet they are paying the lions share of the taxes.

  110. Plain Jane
    November 10, 2012 at 7:44 am

    That’s what happens when you cut jobs and wages of the working classes and keep more for yourself, 713. People can’t pay taxes on what they don’t earn.

  111. November 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    My comment “Republicans are the working man’s and woman’s best friend.” Was pure sarcasm. The kind of “jobs” you talk about are better defined as slavery.

    High Finance :
    Jobs are “the working man’s and woman’s best friend” Joe Blow.
    Obama does not have good paying jobs as his number one priority. Just today it was announced that he is locking up hundreds of thousands of more acres in the mid west so we can’t develope the oil shale fields. That will not only cost us tens of thousands of good paying jobs but increase our dependence on imported oil.

  112. November 10, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    I hate to rain on your paraded, Narration. Unfortunately, most of these people, “the relatively well off” are incapable of transcending past their ingrained beliefs. These “myths” only come to an end when those propagating and supporting such myths and myth expounders die. You can forget the idea that “they are going to have to give up the fantasy finally, before the roof really does cave in.” The “roof” really is going to cave in, everyone is already sold out – sorry.

    Narration :
    ***
    ***
    For myself, I’ve felt a kind of pleasant calm since Wednesday morning that normally would occur around a birthday. It’s a very good feeling, and of course questions would come as to just why.
    I think it’s because the intuition can be there that enough of ‘real America’ is beginning to wake up. That means especially the relatively well off, who realize that things are just not going to go as they thought, and that they are going to have to give up the fantasy finally, before the roof really does cave in..[Emphasis added]
    For me this would mean that the Great Lie comes to be seen through, that selfishness for self and any immediate family is any answer to how even the economic part of society operates effectively. It’s an old lie, brought over from a misinterpretation in England of what a Scottish moral philosopher was about in his words of a time — of course Adam Smith.
    ***
    ***
    Myths operate at a very deep level in us, and result in the kinds of fantastical talk that comes many places, and sometimes here. I guess that is why at an equally deep place, a sense of recognition comes, when those myths shows it comes to its end.
    That for me is the real sense and benefit of what occurred late on Tuesday.

  113. Fact Checks
    November 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    I don’t know how to tell you but this was barely a victory for Linda Atkins.

    Considering she was:
    1. Incumbent
    2. Endorsed by the Humboldt County Democrats
    3. Listed fist on the ballot
    4, Riding the Obama wave
    5. Early polling had her a 65-35%

    and yet Linda barely won.

    As someone else pointed out when Cheryl Siedner (Democrat and endorsed by the Humboldt County Democrats) entered the Supervisor’s race at the last minute she got 29% of the vote.

    Joe Bonino (Republican and endorsed by no party) entered the City Council race at the last minute he got 48% of the vote.

  114. Anonymous
    November 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Fact Checks – I’m sure that all makes you feel better. But, Bonino was not some last minute “outsider”.
    1. He was endorsed by All of the Developers/SN crowd and their cronies – they all had Bonio signs up in their yards,
    2. He endorsed by a County Supervisor (Rex Bohn) – who also donated his baseball signs.
    3. He was endorsed by the Brady Bunch (who also attended the election eve function expecting to gloat)
    4. He received enough funding to produce at least two expensive glossy brochures (that said the same things twice on two sides) and the same folksy type of TV adds that were used for Brady.

    Everything (including the “low priority” Marina Center) was thrown at this election and Bonino still lost. It goes to show if the progressives focus they can win seats.

  115. November 11, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Joe, no worries — as has been said, I grew up with rain, and it’s rather like water off a duck’s back.

    My point in stating as I did, as well as what I did, is that myths operate at a very deep level, not particularly addressable by the verbal surface.

    In fact, I live in proximity (the definitely low rent district south) of a community which has far more than its share of the well-off. Among them there is an interesting and abject silence, following the election results, and then a creeping around in trying to assure themselves with ‘reasons’. Meanwhile the dog and claptrap group who took over a very community coffee cart sitting area just disappeared, and the gentler people are coming back.

    My gut doesn’t buy any of it, except in relief, and quietly insists those who hoped they could keep their fantasy know some corner has been gone around. They didn’t want to see it, and don’t particularly want to know it.

    On your thought that ‘we are all going down.’ Well, my center of better sense doesn’t really go along with this either, though I appreciate your sentiment. I worked for many years, in my fashion where most effort and intent really had nothing to do with the work I consulted in, though I did try to help people, and to keep moving into some responsibility closer to what I knew, where sociality, culture, and invention happened in the strength of each other. In fact that’s where everything I ever did came from, which I did try to explain a time or two, later just guiding people as best I could on paths to do it themselves. It’s where I broke my finances, trying for the own reinvention and brass plaque on Basel door, trying to run ahead of the wave.

    Personally, I (forcedly) retired from this race, having been divested in the one time I tried to act as business people did, unfortunately with my own finance. I think I am much better off for what I should do, write fiction which might express life I know and which could be attained.

    Not necessarily from that angle, but it supports, I feel there’s a lot more vitality than you seem to give credit for — and that observation of history suggests how much advancement this could result in.

    The key to seeing what I think would be to realize where we could both likely agree — that the race is run for the kinds of production which gained England, then America and others a great leap forward. We really will have to do other things, starting now and into a future.

    It will continue to look bleak until more of those other things are recognized — and yes, created in a participatory sense. Let me remain as delphic on that as you are often in your philosophies, and only say that some number of us already understood that life, for its previous difficulties of participating in. You can find some all around you on this place we write that Mitch keeps recovering and re-contributing to. And I know from seeing it that you can be attracted.

    Inspired perhaps a bit to night by something I finished, to the good, and something another published in these parts of Herald this evening, which I also liked.

    Best, Joe.
    N.

  116. Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Bonino got more votes than Newman.

  117. Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 at 8:14 am

    And the two progressives, Kuhnel and Manns, got more votes than Newman…

  118. Fact Checks
    November 12, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Anonymous 10:37 – are you living in Glasstown?

    1. He was endorsed by All of the Developers/SN crowd and their cronies – they all had Bonio signs up in their yards,

    What developers? Have you looked around Eureka? Ain’t much being developed. And why the obsession with Arkley and the “SN crowd”? Did you see Rob Arkley and the SN crowd on Bonino’s 460s? I didn’t either. I did see William Sedgefield Pierson (AKA: Bill Pierson) on Linda Atkins 460s.

    2. He endorsed by a County Supervisor (Rex Bohn) – who also donated his baseball signs.

    Linda Atkins had Mark Lovelace’s endorsement and former Supervisor Bonnie Neely gave Atkins almost $500, but no endorsement as Bonnie is not well respected by the voters.
    Rex donated his baseball signs? Really? All the round Bonino signs I saw said “Bonino” not “Bohn. What’s your point?

    3. He was endorsed by the Brady Bunch (who also attended the election eve function expecting to gloat)

    Bonino was never publicaly endorsed by Marian Brady.

    4. He received enough funding to produce at least two expensive glossy brochures (that said the same things twice on two sides) and the same folksy type of TV adds that were used for Brady.

    Atkins received almost the same amount of funding. Don’t blame Bonino if he ran a more efficient campaign.

    The facts are that a no-name person who filed in the last minute almost took out Atkins, the incumbent.

  119. Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 at 9:02 am

    “Don’t blame Bonino if he ran a more efficient campaign.”

    I don’t blame him – he ran a losing campaign, even though he had all of the Eureka power brokers on his side – read the names on the brochure.

  120. November 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Narration, I read your comment above. I hear what you are saying. Yes, there are some that see the handwriting on the wall and are moving to try to make practical solutions. I read that 58% of eligible voters did not vote. That number identifies the two classes of people at odds in this country. For one thing I was encouraged when I saw the Occupy people simply moving on when they realized so-called peaceful demonstrations were worthless when the government and their enforcers, the police, consider all demonstrators criminals. This link popped up on Twitter awhile ago, you might find it of interest: Why else did the CIA spymaster resign? Here’s a quote: “Powerful forces within the government are reacting, not just to threats of civil war, assassination and domestic terrorism. There is a vast and well-orchestrated clandestine effort to centralize power behind the presidency, preparation likely to lead to an expansion in executive power.

    All competing factions, Pentagon, State Department, CIA and courts face disembowelment by the Obama administration.

    Does this represent a change in American policy, both domestic and foreign, or is this a consolidation at the behest of the unseen ruling elites many claim controlled both candidates, Obama and Romney, equally?”

  121. Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Fact Checks: Either you are naive about local politics or you are trying to spin Bonino’s loss into something positive, in the hope that it will make a difference next time.

    Here are the facts:
    There are two main political factions vying for Eureka political positions:
    1. The Chamber of Commerce crowd that include Bonino as well as Newman, Brady, etc. Bonino’s campaign was right our of their play book.

    2. The other is the “Prog” crowd that includes Pierson, Neely, etc. You identified this faction in a previous post (but denied Bonino’s affiliation).

    These two factions each can attract a sizable number of Eureka voters. The Chamber Crowd did a good job of getting out the Eureka vote in 2010 and probably were aided by a conservative wave. The Prog crowd did a better job this time and were probably aided by a more liberal wave. The one lesson for the Progs is that they have the potential to win if they all back one candidate and if their candidate doesn’t come off as arrogant or a curmudgeon. Manns or Kuhnel would have won if they were the only prog on the ticket 2010. Glass is hard working and gets things done, but the reality is he falls into the arrogant/curmudgeon category.

    Your suggestion that Bonino is just some “no-name” outsider is laughable. He’s part of the Chamber crowd and no level of “spin” will change the fact that the Chamber candidate lost this time (barring an unusual trend of late ballots).

  122. Anonymous
    November 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    This comment wont make it since the masked persons behind Heraldo still block any comments convenient to them. The election results have not been officially certified. Even if Linda wins, as pointed out, its not an endorsement of her, she rode the liberal turnout.

    As for all you claiming Joe is a part of the Chamber crowd. On what do you base this? To all you privileged liberals that rather have government take care of others, anyone who makes a honest living must be a part of the same old BS you fling at all candidates you don’t support?

    Who is paying those who operate this blog is a question the liberal leaning media in this town will never cover.

  123. Fact Checker
    November 13, 2012 at 11:35 am

    “Fact Checks” aka “Faux (News) Checks” has no facts, only smoke and lies. Bonino was endorsed by the Establishment (most poly-ticians and most business owners). Bonino flooded the mailboxes with deceptive mailers (“moderates and Democrats support Bonino”) but no mention of the word “Republican” and he’s the Treasurer. Was Joe ashamed to be associated with the Republican Party? And if you read his list of endorsers, they pawn themselves off as “School Board Member” when in fact they are Realtors, etc. Don’t believe the “Faux News Checks”, they are the fraud they always have been and always will be.

  124. Facts Checked Again
    November 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Don’t make me go Megyn Kelly on your ass.

    Bonino was not endorsed by the Establishment. There were many key names NOT on his endorser list.

    Bonino didn’t “flood the mailboxes”, but rather sent out mailers. I’m sure he targeted his Democrat, Republican and Independent mailers to those households.

    There wasn’t any School Board member endorsers who are Realtors.

    “Is this just English that you do as an anonymous Proggie to make yourself feel better?”

  125. —Marc Matteoli
    November 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “The kind of man I like for a leader is one who is honest and tells the truth…it’s that simple. Joe Bonino is an honest man. He is also hard working, diligent in doing his homework and deeply committed to doing the right thing…always. Recently, while working on a committee together, Joe was always the one we went to for the correct interpretation of rules or the right way to do something. I strongly support Joe Bonino for Council.”

  126. —Bill Barnum
    November 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    “The tougher times get the more we need people like Joe Bonino. He is more than just a smart numbers guy, he has the integrity and leadership to set priorities and oversee operations. The incumbent says she “… wastes time at Tuesday night City Council meetings,” claiming that citizens are not heard. Joe will not complain when things don’t go his way. We need a leader, not a complainer. We need people like Joe to step up. Thanks, Joe.”

  127. Faux News
    November 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Megyn Marie Kelly (born November 18, 1970), formerly known as Megyn Kendall, is a news anchor employed by the Fox News Channel.

  128. Anonymous
    November 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    “power brokers”. please. some attitudes here at sad. people here are so paranoid of anyone who makes a buck and gets involved in the community. like people you vote for aren’t? i give my thanks to them all, yours and mine, for getting involved. why the paranoia regarding those with some money? realtors? developers? what do you do for a living? hopefully something.

  129. Anonymous
    November 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    …but there was a an endorsing school board member that is an accountant (Fullerton), and there was a realtor endorsing Bonino (Matteoli).
    You continue to deny the main “fact” – Bonino was the darling of the Chamber crowd and he lost. The progs won this time, and your sour grapes approach is to say, “oh he wasn’t a real candidate and the fact that he came close to winning means the Atkins didn’t achieve a real victory”. I hope other prospective Chamber candidate will take notice of how quickly the Chamber crowd cuts their loses and dismisses losing candidates as “nobodys”.

  130. Eric Kirk
    November 13, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    I expected Linda to win by a wider margin, however, I became a little nervous as the election got closer and I was watching ad after ad after ad attacking Linda, with Linda’s ads staying positive. Having been through the pattern once with Clif Clendenen, I decided to get more involved with GOTV than I had been. I felt pretty good as the election day evolved, as Linda was getting her target people out to vote for her. The difference in the end was probably the Jefferson Project crowd who came out strong in her support based on my calls to voters.

    I’m actually glad that Linda had to win it the hard way rather than by default with no opponent. While a 200 vote difference isn’t a mandate in the classic sense, her popularity stood up to a very negative and well-financed campaign. I don’t know Mr. Bonino personally. I hear he’s a great guy. But the campaign ads were over the top, especially the BS about Linda leaking police secrets to evil demonstrators. And to rail against the “anti-business climate” apparently generated by her single vote was a bit over the top as well. Whatever the climate, his people – all those people who showed up in his ads – have been running Eureka pretty much since forever.

    Progressives should be able to win elections in Eureka. It’s been done in the past, from the overwhelming rejection of WalMart’s variance, to about the same proportions for Chris Kerrigan’s re-election. More conservatives haven’t moved into the city. They’ve moved out. There is a progressive base, but it’s not predominantly the college-educated green belt progressivism of Arcata. It’s a more culturally conservartive working class base, and progressives have to figure out how to talk outside of their comfort zones. And progressives have to recover from the Local Solutions faction split which is now the better part of a decade old. And we need some strong candidates for 2014. Once the euphoria of the election has worn off, we need to start talking about how to recover from a long string of losses which should not have happened.

  131. November 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “I don’t know Mr. Bonino personally. I hear he’s a great guy. But the campaign ads were over the top…”

    Nice guys don’t attach their names to over the top BS, because that’s not nice. Of course, people generally known as nice guys might, but only if they’re not actually nice.

  132. On@onymous.com
    November 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Bonino’s ads reveal something about Eureka’s Establishment. They believe they can demonize people who want local government to work well by calling those people anti-business. They ride their frameworks, e,g, “Marina Center” and “East-West Railroad” as far as they can. In this case, the first example may be history due to sea-level rise, and the second has yet to be tested. If the Establishment can stimulate a desperate public’s collective imagination with visions of prosperity, let it be the railroad…for now.

  133. Thirdeye
    November 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Eric Kirk :
    Progressives should be able to win elections in Eureka. It’s been done in the past, from the overwhelming rejection of WalMart’s variance, to about the same proportions for Chris Kerrigan’s re-election. More conservatives haven’t moved into the city. They’ve moved out. There is a progressive base, but it’s not predominantly the college-educated green belt progressivism of Arcata. It’s a more culturally conservartive working class base, and progressives have to figure out how to talk outside of their comfort zones. And progressives have to recover from the Local Solutions faction split which is now the better part of a decade old. And we need some strong candidates for 2014. Once the euphoria of the election has worn off, we need to start talking about how to recover from a long string of losses which should not have happened.

    “Progressives” badly misread the Eureka electorate in the aftermath of the WalMart initiative and Kerrigan’s election. Kerrigan got elected largely by presenting himself as an alternative to the dysfunction of the Gupton/Hunter-Meeks/McKellar clownshow. But the seemy side of Kerrigan was the whisper campaign directed at Connie Miller. She was the most conscientious member of the council and she was slandered for just keeping her head down and doing her job. Being nice and doing her job was insufficient for her to survive in a new era of nasty politics. Kerrigan campaigned on a unity theme but ended up being completely divisive. LaVallee had my support in his first run for Mayor because of his populist-themed campaign, but not for his re-election. He turned out to be just another arrogant, divisive, ideological tub-thumper. He had no respect for other points of view, as manifest in his nomination of clown-queen Xandra Manns for the Planning Commission. You bet people were turned off.

    The 2006 election seemed to hinge on personalities as much as on ideology. Mary Beth Wolford came across as a nice but slightly befuddled grandmother, not someone who inspired confidence. Easy opponent for Glass to pick off. Nan Abrams vs. Mike Jones was a contest between a neurotic freak and the All American Boy Scout and Niceguy who made his mama proud. Kuhnel came across as arrogant and dishonest. Leonard came across as personable, conscientious, and willing to listen. LaVallee was a clown who was no match for Bass in the social skills department. 2008 seemed pretty much the same story. Clark came across as unstable. Jaeger came across as the kind of guy you’d want in charge of making sure the potholes got filled. Atkins, the retired professional, had a gravitas edge over Sweet Polly.

    If there was any lesson of 2010 in Eureka, it was that using City and County government to leverage ideology and spite the local bogeyman is frowned upon in this town. Bonino learned that lesson the hard way when he mirrored that approach two years later. The Marina Center issue was topical two years ago. Now, it’s off the Eureka City Council’s plate and is just a pointless old grudge. Re-plowing old grudges is not the way to impress the voters.

    Just stop the posturing and take care of business already!

  134. Goldie
    November 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Yes! “Just stop the posturing and take care of business already!” Meth problems? Traffic safety? Our budget? Promoting local commerce and helping new businesses grow? Public restrooms? Expanding local emergency response plans? Cops and citizens working together to lower crime? These would be some good conversations.

  135. Anonymous
    November 13, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    @Thirdeye

    WOW, your post at 6:32 is the best post I’ve ever seen in the HumCo blogosphere. Spot on.

  136. November 14, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Kirk says about Mr. Bonino: ” I hear he’s a great guy.” That’s a qualification for being an elected LEADER? It’s no wonder everything is in such a mess when you keep electing the same failed people. Personally, I’m glad Linda Atkins got elected. At least the other side doesn’t have carte blanche. Otherwise no one would know what’s going on with the City Council and the police.

  137. Plain Jane
    November 14, 2012 at 9:26 am

    That is always a huge problem with “one party” rule, Joe.

  138. anonymous
    November 15, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Plain Jane :
    That is always a huge problem with “one party” rule, Joe.

    Does that mean you voted for all the Republicans in statewide races?

  139. Plain Jane
    November 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    HA! Hardly #136. What an odd question.

  140. Just Watchin
    November 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Hardly an odd question PJ. You express concern with one party rule, yet are quite pleased that democrats hold super majorities in state government. Anyone familiar with your opinions would consider that statement inconsistent.

  141. anonymous
    November 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Plain Jane :
    HA! Hardly #136. What an odd question.

    Never known you to think before but you have sunk to new depths. Please reread your own post 135 and then try to explain why you failed to vote for even one Republican. And please don’t make yourself a laughingstock again.

  142. Eric Kirk
    November 18, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Well the question was whether she voted for all the Republicans.

    I would actually be more concerned about the supermajority, except that there are a number of conservative Democrats who will probably buck the tide on plenty of occasions.

  143. Plain Jane
    November 19, 2012 at 6:23 am

    Eric, we’re in no danger of single party rule by either party at the state or federal level, at least not yet. Of course, if the Republican party continues their extremism, it could happen. But people so irrational as to think if you believe one party rule is a problem that you should vote solely for the party whose platform you vehemently disagree with or who couldn’t understand that their question was already answered aren’t worth a response.

  144. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 7:03 am

    PJ….how can you say that there is “no danger of single party rule” when you have a democrat for gov and a super majority in the legislature? That’s as “single party rule” as it’s gets.

  145. Fact Checker
    November 19, 2012 at 7:44 am

    “A single-party state, one-party system or single-party system is a type of party system government in which a single political party forms the government and no other parties are permitted to run candidates for election.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-party_state
    What part of “permitted” do you not understand? With people who lack critical thinking skills advocating conservative values, such as yourself jw, it is amazing that the Republicans won any elections this year!

  146. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Fact Checker…….The term used was “single party RULE”, not state or system. What a moron. And wikipedia is your truth bible? LMFAO!!!

  147. Fact Checker
    November 19, 2012 at 7:58 am

    Rule, state, system. No difference to regular people. The only difference would be to double-speaking Republicans who confuse “killing people” with “collateral damage”.

  148. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Factless Checker…… Embarrassing when someone turns the table on you, isn’t it ?? Even your wikipedia bible distinguishes the difference.

  149. November 19, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Is it true that the cockroaches are gigantic in Florida, JW?

  150. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Absolutely! Especially the palmetto bug…. sort of a giant flying cockroach. It should be made the state bird.

  151. Anonymouse
    November 19, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Plain Jane :
    Eric, we’re in no danger of single party rule by either party at the state or federal level, at least not yet. Of course, if the Republican party continues their extremism, it could happen. But people so irrational as to think if you believe one party rule is a problem that you should vote solely for the party whose platform you vehemently disagree with or who couldn’t understand that their question was already answered aren’t worth a response.

    You never fail to live down to your reputation. In California Democrats hold every single state wide office. Democrats now have a super majority number in the Assembly and State Senate. Not only can they pass anything they want with no way Republicans can stop them, the Legislature can even pass anything they want over the objection of their own Democrat governor.

    This is as close as you can get to single party rule in the free world.

  152. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Like the old saying goes: “be careful what you ask for……you just might get it”. There’s no more “Republican obstructionism” to blame for not getting things done.

  153. Eric Kirk
    November 19, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Just Watchin :

    Like the old saying goes: “be careful what you ask for……you just might get it”. There’s no more “Republican obstructionism” to blame for not getting things done.

    That’s a very good point. Same is true of the Eureka City Council (actually, it’s been true since forever) and now the Board of Supes.

  154. Fact Checker
    November 19, 2012 at 10:40 am

    What super-majority are you referring to? The 4/5th Establishment majority here in Eureka? The 5/5th One Party Rule here in Eureka if Bonino had won? And why would some Gomer Pyle from Florida care about Eureka elections? Isn’t Florida a big enough mess in terms of election corruption, et al?

  155. Just Watchin
    November 19, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Factless….. you really need to read a little more s l o w l y. I didn’t say a single word about Eureka elections.

  156. Fact Checker
    November 19, 2012 at 11:58 am

    If you are concerned about one party rule, you should have.

  157. Plain Jane
    November 19, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    For the record, the topic of one party rule arose in a discussion about the Eureka council election over a comment about the positives of a dissenting voice on the council. One party rule is not optimal, but expecting anyone to vote for candidates with unappealing platforms is crazy. If a party is so awful that they can’t get their candidates elected, they may have the wrong candidates or they may have the wrong platform; or in the case of Romney 2012, they had both.

  158. Eric Kirk
    November 19, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    And for the record, Linda’s win is about more than just “one party rule.” At least there will be a dissenting voice at the county level. While the Republicans alone can’t stop anything, they can dissent at the state level. Had Bonino succeeded, there would have been no dissenting voice on the Eureka City Council, and that would have been extremely dangerous.

  159. Anonymous
    November 20, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Has Linda been declared the winner? The day after the election I heard there were 7,000-8,000 ballots remaining to be counted. I called the elections office today and was told that results won’t be known until certification December 4th. Is this usual procedure? That’s almost a full month to find out the results of this race?????? C’mon!

  160. Eric Kirk
    November 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Yes, it’s normal procedure. We may get not the absolutely final report, but an updated report tomorrow or Friday. I’ve watched the procedure, and the process for checking the ballots which aren’t marked properly, and the provisional ballots, is slow and tedious. They have to do that before they even get to counting.

    The 7 to 8000 ballots are countywide. It’s possible that Bonino could pull it out, but historically the progressive candidate actually picks up votes because the late-submitted absentees and the provisionals tend to trend the same way as election day voting, or even just a little more progressive.

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