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Bill Moyers interviews Chris Hedges

Bill Moyers interviews Chris Hedges on the destruction of American communities in the name of quarterly profits.  A transcript is here, but it’s much more powerful to watch the video if you can.

  1. Anonymous
    January 26, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Another post well outside our local circle of influence or reality. From garbles to sasquatch, the HH is getting into tinfoil hat territory.

  2. Mitch
    January 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Bill Moyers and Chris Hedges are both former seminarians, and Chris Hedges left The New York Times after more than a decade. He’s been a war reporter, and now he reports on what’s happening to the United States. Both seem to me to be examples of people who benefit from their faith, rather than abuse it.

    I posted this because I believe it’s a great way to spend an hour, regardless of your position on the political spectrum. It might open your mind. (I confess, one of the things I find appealing about this is how much Hedges looks like Karl Rove.)

    Moyers and Hedges talk a lot, towards the end, about whether Hedges believes what he’s doing will change anything. It’s fascinating. Both may or may not be outside our circle of influence or reality, but I wish everyone in Humboldt could hear Hedges for this hour.

  3. Anonymous
    January 26, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Great interview and discussion of the corporate oligarchy that controls our country and the crimes against global humanity, economy and environment they are committing. Not a lot of hope offered and I have no faith in faith.

  4. Anonymous
    January 26, 2013 at 10:21 am

    And the local interest….. ZILCH!

  5. Mitch
    January 26, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Actually, #4, Hedges addresses that quite well.

    But, for myself, let me add that one of the things that makes a blog a very different thing than a newspaper or magazine, or radio or TV show, is that there is no “news hole” that must be filled in order to print the advertiser’s message surrounded by the proper amount of “content” according to established recipes.

    The typical for profit medium has a limited amount of time (radio or TV) or space (magazines or newspapers), and so we’ve come to think that publishing one item means not publishing another. That’s not actually grounded in reality, just in the economics of advertising-based media.

    If you’re not interested in a blog post based on its headline, the solution is to not click on it. Hard to believe, but completely true.

  6. January 26, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “Ain’t no use jivin’, ain’t no use jokin’ – Everything is broken” – Bob Dylan.
    . . . and all of the King’s horses, and all of the King’s men . . .

    We are adjusting here to more awareness of choosing to – stay in the same familiar world of dueling dualities, wherein religious fundamentalists and reductionist scientists continue to polarize the public. This path will obviously continue to take us toward the same destination we are heading to now – imminent extinction.
    Or, as we return again to the balance point between the spiritual realm and the material realm, we may choose to resolve our differences by seeking harmony over polarity.

    We have to release and complete the old story so that we can begin a new one. For transformation to take place, a critical mass of us must divest ourselves of these obsolete beliefs. We must first change the guard. Those dated beliefs of scientific materialism that stand guard at our doors of perception must be retired and relieved of duty. We have everything we need to create the world we want. What we need has always been here.
    As humans, we are not all-powerful, but we are all powerful. The question is, will we reach critical mass before we reach critical massacre?

  7. yomama
    January 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    It is refreshing to hear someone clearly articulate what we each know in our hearts is true. and the polite discourse is quaint and hot at the same time.

  8. That Other Anonymous
    January 26, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    “the polite discourse is quaint and hot at the same time.”

    Like a sexy librarian with horn-rimmed glasses? Awesome!

  9. Cappy
    January 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    I enjoyed this very much. Thank you for posting.

  10. January 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    yomama – your post made me va klempt.
    That Other Anonymous – va klempt to a big smile -thanx.
    Cappy – you’re welcome.

    As there can be no healing without forgiveness, some time soon we’ll all gather, as we sometimes do for public ceremony, to acknowledge past wounds brought about by our ancestors here on America’s soil (Turtle Island) – genocide that was labeled ‘Manifest Destiny.’
    The thought of ‘originies’ tribes takes us back and connects us to another time and space, a time when we trusted our intuition and knew how to be stewards of the earth. It was a time when we felt a deeper connection to everything, With so much information coming in all of the time, our connection can be veiled. I think we love the originies people because we can feel that they are still in touch with something bigger than themselves. The word originies/indigenous conjures up images of a time long ago, ancient civilizations, different cultures and traditions we could never understand. It also makes us think of jungles and plant medicine, unfamiliar territory to most. But this territory is where people are finding there way back to themselves. Those who are noticing that something is missing from their lives are seeking ways to get back in touch with their soul’s purpose. These tribes of people are coming together everywhere – all religions, all walks of life are joining together to make a difference in the world – saying enough is enough – and because of this, things are changing.
    We can no longer stand by and allow the lies to fill our day. I believe it is time to take control of our destiny. If things are not working, fix them. One way to do this is to begin to clear your life of all that no longer serves you. If it makes you feel bad or negative, it is a lie.If it makes you feel good and is positive, it is the truth. “The truth will set you free,” and freedom is what we’re all seeking. Speak your truth no matter what.

    Your guidance system is always within. When we are open and dial in to our heart and the planet, magical things can, and do happen.

  11. Anonymous
    January 27, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Chris Hedges just spent an hour covering numerous critical issues of our era that are effectively disappeared from “journalism” which Hedges rightfully distinguishes from “truth”!

    This is the reason that you have no idea how many of your neighbors in your community have experienced bankruptcy or foreclosure this week, this month, or this year,(still at record levels), but NEVER making the local news! It’s the same for so many of the other issues raised by Chris Hedges made irrelevant by our local and mass media self-censorship. “Too negative” they’ll tell you!

    “Mitch A” wants us to hear Chris Hedges.

    Sadly, “Mitch B”, wants us to ignore Hedges’ distinction between journalism and truth….and blame the victim instead:

    January 25, 2013 at 7:19 am | #20 Quote

    And here I’d thought it was laziness and the new American spirit of “I’ve got mine, Jack.”
    But you’re probably right, there’s simply no way for a concerned public to claw the information out of the authorities. Except for googling “foreclosure rate humboldt county california,” which turns up these obvious lies:


    But to use Google, you’d have to have access to the internet, and know how to use a language, and to get right down to it, you’d have to know that the internet exists. And the American public doesn’t know any of that, because the conspirators have kept anyone from learning any languages, and have kept the public from knowing about the internet’s existence, and have seen to it that except for the wealthy, no one has access to the internet, even if they somehow hear rumors of its existence.
    How did they keep the public from learning any languages? Simple, they demanded people go to public school, where they could be dumbed-down and where all the teachers, conspirators every one, could prevent them from learning to think. Just ask any teacher — they’ll tell you that they’re not part of any conspiracy. Could you ask for better proof!!
    Except for good old KM, who has somehow, thanks to his brilliance and persistence, managed to pierce the Matrix illusions.
    Thank god for KM.
    Dman those conspiratorial wealthy people! Dman those bastards!!

    Once Mitch gets over himself, he’ll understand more of what Hedges’ said.

  12. Mitch
    January 27, 2013 at 9:36 am


    Mitches A and B both feel that topics that air with a fair degree of frequency on free TV are not being suppressed by any decently-functional conspiracy. You really don’t get it, which I used to find confusing, but now I just shrug my shoulders. At least when you quote me against myself, my comments seem perfectly consistent to me.

    Even Hedges acknowledged (though, to be sure, it was Hedges A and Hedges C, not Hedges B) that he doesn’t see people reacting to the information he’s putting in our faces. And Hedges is about as close as humans come to my concept of genuine sainthood. To paraphrase:

    Hedges: I’m not a very good Christian.
    Moyers: What are you?
    Hedges: A sinner?
    Moyers: …
    Hedges: A doubter.



  13. January 27, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Televisions – weapons of mass deception. If you still have one of these in your home –
    I strongly recommend that you take a sledge hammer to it.

  14. Mitch
    January 27, 2013 at 11:32 am

    But don’t do that until you’ve watched the interview, please.

  15. Anonymous
    January 27, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    “topics that air with a fair degree of frequency on free TV are not being suppressed by any decently-functional conspiracy.” (Mitch #12).

    It’s fascinating how we listened to the same interview and heard different things!

    Hedges has taken personal responsibility for getting the message out because he knows IT IS NOT GETTING OUT!

    Local statistics on the record number of bankruptcies and foreclosures in our neighborhoods and communities are NEVER routinely headlined!! How about an annual story in the “A” section? NOPE!! “Conspiracy”?

    It’s an odd experience to have to repeat myself so many times.

    Self-censorship does not fall under classic definitions of “conspiracy”, yet, the effects are indistinguishable. And you damn-well know this! PBS airs few such interviews that receive zero attention/affirmation/coverage anywhere else…ever.

    Why be so coy, Mitch?

    You really do need to listen to your own post. Hedges deeply laments the lack of truthful information in media upon which our democracy, environment, economy, and our individual health all depend. It is no coincidence that all are in unparalleled collapse. The hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on proliferating the ubiquitous media message, “this is a world of plenty for the deserving” grows larger despite the Earth’s rapidly declining ability to sustain human life. As Hedges states, there is currently no contravening power against corporations and their propaganda.

    An excellent example is provided by the local people who register to vote immediately after someone takes a few moments to explain the Eureka Fair Wage initiative. Given an opportunity to act upon the truth, most people take advantage. It’s the same for employment. If we had the fully funded job programs of the 60’s and 70’s, unemployment would plummet.

    Yes, there will always be those who ignore the truth and refuse employment…but without the jobs and without the truth, blaming the victim is pointless and disingenuous.

    But what REALLY fascinates me is how you capriciously deleted some of my posts, (invoking rules not listed on this blog), and later demand that I post with a single identity!

    I followed your arbitrary rules, and yet, you keep referring to my anonymous posts as “KM”.

    Please explain your purpose, and how it makes you feel.

  16. Mitch
    January 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm


    I haven’t even looked for the IP addresses of your recent posts. There’s no need. You’re the obsessed guy.

    What’s my purpose? Talking. To a certain extent, I like to pretend that I can convince some people that not everyone with a left wing viewpoint is a deluded idiot. But mostly talking.

    Why do I refer to you as KM? Because if I referred to you as “Anonymous,” it wouldn’t be as clear that I was responding to a single person. How do I feel about “dialog” with you? Impatient.

    If I haven’t already invited you to post — I think I have — consider this your invitation. Put together 500 words, they needn’t be coherent, and I’ll put them on the front page. Make up whatever pseudonym you’d like, and I’ll credit it to that pseudonym. Or, hell, use your real name. Except if you do that, the conspirators will descend on you, ’cause I’ll report. Boo!

    You’re right that we hear the interview in completely different ways. I admire Hedges for his willingness to speak out about things people are demonstrably not interested in. I admire everyone who does that. But I’m also accepting of the reality that people are not interested.

    My image of the typical Humboldt leftist’s thinking, and I hope it’s not too correct, is of someone who is convinced that the only reason they have not been rushed into a position of authority is that WE THE PEOPLE, who naturally agree with every word tHl says, have somehow been cleverly suppressed. My belief is that the reason tHl hasn’t been rushed into a position of authority is that tHl is a buffoon. Being able to accurately characterize the flaws of our society is no evidence whatsoever that someone has a solution to offer. If people offer a convincing solution, in the opinion of the electorate, they’ll be elected.

    It worked for Barack Obama. Of course, he chose to run for office, rather than explain it all to us while whining that nobody ever votes and complaining that people would vote if the press told them the secrets that apparently only tHl has discovered, thank to their hard, hard, searching efforts. Grow up.

  17. Mitch
    January 27, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Here. I’ll even offer my proposal for the next few years. Until unemployment is eliminated, those who are working fixed hours will reduce their hours by 25%, to share out the work. Any remaining unemployed will be put to work on infrastructure projects, in daycare centers, and cleaning any oiled baby seals. The military will be phased out over the next decade, at 10% reduction in force per year. All subsidies to all industries will be eliminated. Tax rates on incomes over ten times the minimum wage will go up to at least double the rate on minimum wage income. Tax rates on incomes more than fifty times the minimum wage will go up to at least 10x the rate on minimum wage income. Single-payer universal health care will be implemented. Social security taxes and FICA taxes will exist on all income over the minimum wage, uncapped, but not on income up to the minimum wage. Pretty much everyone in the financial sector above the level of a secretary will be in jail. The government will start a crash program to develop mass transportation, and gas will cost $10 per gallon, with a guaranteed increase of $1 per year for the next decade.

    How will all this happen? Easy. WE THE PEOPLE will rise up against their masters, having heard my brilliance.

    And, how could I have forgotten, I’d decree that henceforth all shit shall smell sweet, and that Paul Ryan is a genius studmuffin. That ought to about cover things. Vote for Me. Oh, about that $10 gas, just kidding, folks. YOUR gas will be cheaper. And no need to sacrifice anything like your hours at work, or worry that commodity prices will be changed as our empire-empowering military is dismantled. Did I say eliminate all subsidies? I meant except to the timber industry, it needs our support. Yeah. It’s going to be great for everyone who votes for me, because none of you are part of the problem, and I’m certainly not. I’m your savior. Pass your babies this way, I’ve got some kissin to do while I finalize the details of my plans to imprison all lobbyists.

    Do I expect to get elected? If I did, I’d run. It’s more likely I’d be lynched. (Actually, it’s more likely I’d be ignored, as the left has repeatedly proven.)

  18. Anonymous
    January 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Let me get this straight, you post extensive gibberish and wasteful satire in an inexplicable persistence to blame the ignorant for their ignorance, but I’m “Obsessed”?


    Since you made the effort, I will enjoy responding to some of your other persistent absurdities:

    #1) “I haven’t even looked for the IP addresses of your recent posts. There’s no need. You’re the obsessed guy.”

    My recent post includes your quote to me…could it be more obvious? The image of you searching IP addresses on this little rural blog with dwindling persistipants is pathetic.

    #2) “Why do I refer to you as KM? Because if I referred to you as “Anonymous,” it wouldn’t be as clear that I was responding to a single person.”

    Why tell the truth when a lie will do?
    You’ve responded to plenty of anonymous posters without pretending that further identity lends any additional clarity or credibility to your points.

    #3) “How do I feel about “dialog” with you? Impatient.”

    A curious complaint from a prolific satirist.
    But, I didn’t mean our “dialog”. I meant, “how does it make you feel when you respond to an anonymous post by assigning another identity to them in response”? (An identity that the anonymous poster cannot also use due to Mitch-Law). Answer: It’s a tiny tyranny that gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling or you wouldn’t bother doing it.

    Your obsession with “identity” and “personality” would make any reasonable person wonder why in the Hell you don’t rename this blog “Mitchaldo” because the modest, anonymous “Heraldo” with its local-focus for news is long-gone. Instead, 20-30% of your posts inevitably focus on you and your burden in showing how, “not all left wing viewpoints are deluded”…. like Sisyphus and his boulder!

    #4) “Put together 500 words”.

    Waving this around like a flag is not a vaccine to common criticism of what this blog has become.

    #5) “But I’m also accepting of the reality that people are not interested (in Hedges)”.

    Your penchant for making shit up rivals “High Finance”.
    Once again, you know damn-well this nation’s most eloquent leftists don’t see the light of day in mainstream media. There is no debate, few alternative viewpoints…”Washington Week In Review” and most other media will feature the weakest leftists I’ve ever heard. No Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, or Chris Hedges…Did you already forget that milquetoast Bill Moyers had to scratch and claw his way back to PBS?

    #6) “Being able to accurately characterize the flaws of our society is no evidence whatsoever that someone has a solution to offer. If people offer a convincing solution, in the opinion of the electorate, they’ll be elected.”

    Hands down, this little keeper is one of the dumbest, simplistic and illogical assertions you’ve written. If true, then the opposite is true! “People will never accept solutions, convincing or not, when no one believes the ‘problems’ exist”!

    Hurry, go tell Mr. Hedges how today’s institutions, education, media and internet offer enough information and truths needed to blame average citizens for their ignorance.

    #7) “It worked for Barack Obama.”

    Are you really that ignorant about politics? Money worked for Obama, as it does in most elections, to overcome the media bigs. There are few exceptions. Romney had a good turnout! The majority of potential voters have no idea what Hedges is talking about. It’s not that they are disinterested, it’s that there’s no confirming context repeated anywhere else except that interview, if they were lucky enough to see it.

    Using words like “secrets” and “conspiracy” are you’re feeble attempt to discredit my opinion.

    Grow up and debate like an adult…which is why anyone responding to your other rambling satire should have their head examined. Surely you can distill it into a cogent sentence or two without the buffoonery of incessant sarcasm.

  19. Mitch
    January 27, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    You get the last word, KM. And you’re still welcome to 500 words on the front page. (Hey, just say the word and your last comment can go up.)

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