DAVE TYSON: Arkleyville fan club president w/UPDATE
Eureka City Manger Dave Tyson is spending embarrassing amounts of time loitering around the offices of the Eureka Reporter and Security National — two stalwarts in the Arkley family of entities — according to sources.
What does he want? A job? Good press? Orders from on high?
UPDATE: Mr. Tyson responds:
Wow…I’ve never been the topic of a blog that i know of. It has been really entertaining to read all this stuff about me..some I didn’t know myself. Let me correct a few facts however: I attended Jacobs Junior High School not Zane…could never been a Falcon; I graduated from EHS in 1975 and didn’t meet Rob or Cherie Arkley until 1998 when she was elected to the City Council; I’ve never seen Rob’s jet; the only time I’ve been to the Eureka Reporter was for a Chamber Mixer a couple of years back; and it has been several months since I was in SN’s building. oh…and I hang out at OH’s once in awhile because Mayor Bass owns the place and I like the onion rings. I’ve served the citizens of Eureka for 18 years and the City Council asked me to be the City Manager in 2000…and they offered the 4 -1 vote in hopes to encourage me to take the job that I’ve held now for 8 years. I realize that most of you (Greg and Carol are the exception) don’t know me so I invite you to come by City Hall anytime to talk or we can go for a coffee…but I have to warn you I prefer Ramone’s coffee over Starbucks. Finally Heraldo, as a runner and hiker I take great exception to loitering comment.
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Sadly it would take a 4-1 vote on the city council to replace him. He has a special deal.
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You tapped into the security camera there Heraldo?
Oh, you have sources!
-boy
You know, he could be merely walking to the Co-Op H.
-boy
“Dave Tyson was sworn in Monday in Eureka, where he had served as assistant city manager and interim city manager. Former State Assemblyman Dan Hauser got the council’s nod in Arcata — a city he should know well, considering that he has lived in the city for 30 years, served on its council from 1974-82 and was mayor from 1978-82.
Tyson said he hopes to end an era in Eureka politics marred by what many call the city manager revolving-door syndrome. The last five managers, including the most recent, Harvey Rose, have fallen out of favor with a majority of the council and been fired. Tyson would be a bit tougher to remove since his contract stipulates that a 4-1 majority is required to remove him.
“The council felt that this was a way of showing the community that they support me,” Tyson told the Journal earlier this week.”
NC Journal
Suckers.
Ya think?
If you only knew how far this goes. His connection to the Harbor District and Arkley/Kramer and the whole port/rail dream is deep. You’ve really tapped into a good one here.
Keep talkin’.
I believe Dave’s wife works for the Harbor District but that is far and away from any sort of conspiracy.
As for the contract. Good for Dave but it does seem a bit one sided.
If the average Eurekan sat through a few council meetings and gained some basic understanding about how things are DONE in this burg, they would be as outraged as Kim Starr.
Maybe not about the same things, but they would be outraged.
An employee without a union has to protect himself somehow. A 4-1 majority seems a reasonable substitute for union Solidarity.
May have something to do with this tidbit on Tuesday’s agenda.
“15. County General Plan recommendations.
Recommendation: 1. Receive the staff report and letter regarding the Humboldt County General Plan Update Infrastructure Report;
2. Discuss staff’s comments and recommendations to the County.
3. Appoint two Council Members to conduct one-on-one meetings with County officials regarding the County General Plan Update.”
Went to school with Dave Tyson at Zane and EHS. Known him for years. Seen him do what is best for the community. He protected himself after witnessing poor politics of the Town of Eureka. We are fortunate to have him.
Arkley went to school at Arcata around the same time as Dave. None of his fellow graduates at AHS have anything bad to say about Rob. It is all the out of town transplants that have a problem with both. Just load up your Volvo’s and move back to Los Angeles! We are sick of your types already!
You mean that messy part of democracy where we vote the bums out of office?
“He protected himself after witnessing the poor politics of the Town of Eureka.”
Happily his employment could still be terminated for cause with a simple majority vote, if that cause was sufficient. :)
Maybe some of those Volvo owners are attorneys.
But on a lighter note, is George Bush the Antichrist?
http://tinyurl.com/3eyro6
is tyson still married? why is he always at the bar at OH’s townhouse then?
is George Bush the Antichrist?
duh!
Why is theotherme always at the bar at OH’s townhouse?
Now what mole could possibly know that Tyson was hanging around both the Eureka Reporter AND Security National? Are there employees who work at both locations? This story sounds a bit fishy.
its an AWFULLY small town….
Fishy? Here comes the spin……
“…out of town transplants…”
Is anonymous simply being redundant, or does this represent some new alien threat?
H,
Dave Tyson has a job, he gets good press, and he takes his orders from the Eureka City Council. He was Finance Director and Assistant Manager under Eureka’s famous revolving-doink manager system after serving several years as Finance Director for the City of Arcata.
Dave’s contract with the city requires a 4-1 vote to fire him, but contracts renew and terms can change. Meanwhile Dave provides stability and continuity during tough times and maintains a high level of professionalism.
I’m proud of Dave. We first met when he was sixteen and dating my step-sister, who now works at the harbor district office.
A city manager has to rub shoulders with everyone and still keep his/her mouth shut about controversial political issues and personalities. This is for the good of the community but these factors limit Dave’s ability to defend himself against gossip and rumor.
Some of my leftish friends say “if he’s been on the Arkley airplane, fire his ass!” but how practical is that? Be careful what you ask for, you just might get the city manager of Rio Dell.
So are we to believe that the bar at the OH Townhouse is the pickup bar for middle aged yuppies and local politicians ?
Maybe it’s Tyson’s favorite place to eat? Maybe it’s a nice place to meet friend’s and other wouldbe-wannabe politicians to discuss their evil plot to take over the world?
Who know’s. This is difficult when I have to agree with Greg on an issue. But when he’s right, he’s right.
So Ms.H……..you …….don’t ……..like…….the Arkley’s ? What have you ever done around here ?
i thought that this thread was about that hangouts of tyson, so i threw in a spot.
i dont think that there is a conspiracy involved with tyson at OHs…im not a big fan of the food or the atmosphere there, but this isnt the place for a restaurant review…
hey heraldo your obsession will Arkly is really getting creepy. Staking out Arkly’s office and catching poor Tyson on his way for a burrito at the Co-op is equally bizzare.
Once again, R. Trent “heraldo” – it’s time to say who YOU are.
I would never trust you to know what time it is, rose.
why?
the “why?” was meant for rose
And Arkley is not obsessed? Please….
And “rose” isnt obsessed with paul gags either, right?……
Or Salzman, obviously.
Thanks Greg, and Anonymous 10:56,
I also have known Dave since high school, and he has always been a good person in my view. I believe he is well qualified for his position and shows good judgment in weighing in on decisions.
there is a tendancy for people to obsess over the people who are in the news most often? it will always be that way…….arkley, gallegos, salzman, stoen, glass, leonard, kerrigan, bush, cheney, clinton, gore, brintney spears, bono, ect………it think a big thing in life is picking your battles coreectly……
seems like obsessing over things that you can actually change does make sense. thats why i am glad that people like “rose” and “heraldo” have blogs that address local issues. obsessing over people who make decisions in our local area seems like a contructive thing, not destructive……….thats why i try to not get too obessed with national politics. i just feel too far removed to make a difference and being too neurotic over what bush or clinton will do would make me nuts…..
Tell me what the difference is between “heraldo” and the anonymous person who posted nasty comments about Tammy Falor on my blog.
Gallegos and Salzman know who I am. Dave Tyson isn’t afforded the same courtesy by “heraldo.”
I faced my fears when I decided to start the blog, and use my name.
What is “heraldo” afraid of?
Stalkers with a history of obsession, Rose.
Heraldo, this is a pretty stupid post. Tyson is a good guy doing his best in a difficult job. I’ve always enjoyed your blog, but this type of post hurts your credibility.
Perhaps heraldo is concerned about a drunken multimillionaire Republican bully who can pick up the phone and talk to Karl Rove or even the chimp himself.
Chimpeachment anyone?
“heraldo” says Tyson is too close to Arkley. The question here is who is “heraldo” close to? And why is “R. Trent heraldo” afraid for you to know who “he” is and who “he” is close to?
Frankly, “Jane” – given Stoen’s past, when I started this I was afraid of more than just someone who is “obsessed.” I left instructions who to look at if anything happened to me.
If “heraldo’s” opinion has any validity “he” should stand behind “his” words.
Rose, your paranoia is reminiscent of Hater Jimenez. Do you think the “Marijuana Mafia” is going to come for you? LOL.
You have nothing to fear.
LMSAO@Rose!
I am not the one who is afraid. “heraldo” is.
Avoiding unnecessary annoyance from a vindictive, obsessive cyber stalker isn’t fear, just common sense.
Rose, using your real name doesn’t make your posts any more true, and Heraldo’s anonymity doesn’t make his/her posts any less true.
The truth is the truth regardless of who states it, and regardless of whether that person uses their real name. Anonymity may limit the value of someone’s assertions or opinions, but verifiable facts are still facts, even if you can’t verify the identity of the person presenting them. The same applies to logic. A logical argument is valid regardless of who presents it.
Signed,
Anonymous
11:07,
amen……
of course “some people” want to expose “heraldo”….”heraldo” will be easier to “destroy” then….
Dave Tyson is the hardest working man in Humboldt County and we are lucky to have him. Considering the way local communities treat their city managers, I’m surprised we were smart enough to offer him a more stable arrangement.
people who avoid talking about issues crack me up……..especially ones who would limit free speech because of it……
EVERY time that “heraldo” hits a nerve with these freedom haters, they call to expose him/her……….
Who is doing the “destroying” otherme?
No one is talking about limiting “heraldo’s” free speech.
The question is does the person have the courage to stand behind his words.
11:19,
i agree….im always amazed at the hours that guy seems to put in..much more than 40 hours a week, for sure…ive had issues with the guy in the past regarding a few projects that ive been involved with, but i think he does a good job for the most part. i did once suspect that he “favored” some projects over others and pushed them through regardless of public opinion, but i could never prove such a claim. i also had concerns over some projects where i thought he bent over backwards to local religious pressures…
that said, he has one of the hardest jobs in the city, and it would be impossible to avoid any controversy……i probably wouldnt last 2 weeks at that job before the public was in front of city hall with pitchforks…..
rose,
stand behind their words? you dont think that “heraldo” says what he/she means?
i think that what you mean to say is, “does he have the courage to take the CONSEQUENCES of speaking against arkley?”.
So “rose”, how many times have you asked H to out himself now? Maybe its time you picked up your toys and go home for a while.
Plenty of people speak against Arkley, otherme.
No, I am talking about the consequence of whether or not you would still value “his” opinion if you knew who “he” was.
That is what “heraldo” is afraid of.
Is “heraldo’s” opinion still valid if you know who it is who is talking to you? That is what the fear is. Plain and simple.
Well why doesn’t Arkley come on here and express himself? (I mean using his real name, not one of the aliases he uses here.) What does he have to fear?
rose,
wouldnt matter to me one bit…….if he/she is a “newcomer” or an “oldtimer” or a “twotimer” or the descendant from a spanish conquestador, i could care less………whoever it is has a knack for commenting on local stories, and i appreciate that.
even if heraldo turns out to be any of the “usual suspects” that you so fear, it would matter little to me….
Could you do a “watch Heraldo” blog without knowing the identity of H, “rose”?
Rose really has ’em spinning on this issue.
It’s kind of amusing reading the rants of Jane Doe and boy blunder. They put themselves out as intelectuals (in thier own minds) and I get a good laugh much of the time.
You guys don’t like Rose because she’s almost always right, and has more balls than Mr. H.
Prove everybody wrong H. ! Come out of the closet.
I don’t think there’s any serious debate as to Mr. H’s identity.
Me either, 12:11. But Rose’s confession of paranoid delusion was pretty serious. WOW!
Anon@11:07-
“The same applies to logic…”
You are very right on all the points you make in this post. As for using identifiable information as a handle, I think that is up to the person as some radical views may fear retribution from either political camp. Whether this fear is valid or not I cannot say.
The reason that I don’t like ‘Anonymous’ as a handle is twofold:
First I get you all confused. We have no idea which anonymous is which or how many anonymous posters there are. Therefor it is hard to have a dialouge or even follow a single persons’ posts on a linear blog like this.
Second I feel that having a persistant handle allows a poster to develop an identity. Then the dialogue improves and we can better understand eachother (for good or bad). It is like character development where we can better understand who you are and what you mean when you make points. As it stands now, a snarky anonymous comment could be from someone who just popped in for the day or from a regular, who knows?
But I agree with anonymity in a free society. I think that is important for those who choose it. My point is that you can still remain anonymous behind a persistant handle. Now that I think about it, Heraldo is anonymous, we just know ‘who’ he is when he posts. I am anonymous. But signed “Anonymous” could be one of a half dozen (or three dozen?) posters.
Jane,
Pretty ironic that you speak of “paranoid delusions” when in a preceding thread, the very source of who rose alludes to as far as being bumped off is being discussed with regards to his involvement in the Jonestown cult and massacure…
Why dont you give us another smug lecture about the Board of Supervisors role as a regulatory, and when you’re done with that, explain to us once again SN’s prominent positions as a local bank in Eureka…
Those two instances bear mentioning as Hank Sims stated…
your smug arrogance in the face of being so….wrong. LMSAO, as you so like to say.
Pile on Heraldo!
You mean you really can’t come up with any other insult than that tired old SN isn’t a bank routine? You must not be paying attention. LMSAO!!
Seems kind of fitting that a thread about Arkley would come round to the subject of paranoia.
Gotta agree with Jason and anon@11:07. Rose shows her vile and prejudiced nature by suggesting whether we would respect H.’s opinion if we knew his/her identity.
For Rose and all the other Humboldt local tyrants, a person’s identity is more significant than their intelligence and knowledge of facts. Thats the same thinking that kept Europe in the dark ages for thousands of years until brave “upstarts” challenged the monopoly to ideas and truth that “known” people claimed.
H isn’t claiming unique knowledge or making conclusions that require specific qualifications or skills. H is expressing an opinion and alluding to facts. That’s every American’s right, and no Rose or Humboldt petty tyrant can take that away without an argument.
http://www.statewide.com.
Now that’s a bank!
Guess who owns it?
when people label other people as usual “suspects”, i tend to be suspicious. the only people who should be able to label humans as “suspects” are people who are representing the justice system in some capacity. the word “supect” gives a feeling that crimes have occured.
That sums up most of the recent comments. Oh, who am I kidding? That sums up most of the blog.
Not an insult, Jane…
Merely calling attention to the fact that you love to arrogantly lecture people, frequently calling them idiots, when in fact…uh, your wrong…
yo,
the contraction for the words you are is spelled you’re………..that last post of yours was classic…
LOI, Theotherme.
Actually Yo, you were incredibly rude and insulting. I quote…
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Horse Linto?
Wasn’t that the name of the old Hupa village that once stood on the banks of the Trinity River on land that is now owned by the Arkleys?
Ummm, gee, I wuz typeen in a hurry, lol…
I would venture that if grammatical correctness on a blog thread was the measure of whether one’s POINT was correct or not, we’d (got that pesky apostrophe, whew…)all be doomed.
I don’t know because I don’t make it my business to track land ownership of everyone in the county.
Actually 1258, why dont you go back and see the vile nasty invective Jane’s hurled in the face of those she doesnt agree with….
Furthermore, look no further than the point of this thread, (which is to smear the city manager of Eureka, cause you know, Arkley is evil, and if Dave Tyson is associating with him…) and you will see the tone that H-Dawg sets for the following responses…
dayummmmm other, I missed another apostrophe in my last post…sheeeit.
horse linto sounds like an english name to me…….Horse Linto Rd as accessed from the end of Patterson Rd, near waterman ridge, just past the bulb farm….arkley’s ranch is the sugarbowl ranch, on the west side of the river, although he may own both sides of the river…
In case you missed the point, “Jane,” there is nothing to lose by coming forward, not for you or “heraldononymous” – ask Greg, Carol, Fred, Eric, Ernie. Joel, Jack, Kym, Lawrence, and so on and so on. We all faced whatever fears we had, and survived. So can you.
I would venture that if we derail every thread by talking about who said what on past threads unrelated to this one, and who Heraldo is, we will never get anywhere. Could that be the motive here? Or just another sad attempt at kill the messenger?
soooo……a thread AGAIN turns into an epidode of “who is heraldo?”…thanks rose
I’ve always enjoyed your blog, but this type of post hurts your credibility.
Yeah, credibility? I realize this is a small town, but a guy walking to the Co-Op and passing by the E/R building? So what if he knows Arkley, the guy is a city official. WTF? Is this post intended to be a warning?
To gmf:
I don’t rant here, because my concern for most of these issues is… absent. Believe what you want, I disagree with this blogger every now and then. It is his blog, and you might consider starting your own blog to counter his stories. I would read it, the Anti-Heraldo blog might just as entertaining to me, if not more.
I have to say, we as bloggers have no credibility, and it what we do on our blogs speaks for us. That said, I wonder if Heraldo might publish his Six Degrees of Rob Arkley. I fear that at some point, we all will be connected to this guy.
-boy
Supreme Court ruling in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission reads: “Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.”
Who wants to argue with that logic?
Hearaldo could settle it once and for all!?!?!?!
but he won’t
Go ‘Yo’ go!!
jane,
the fear of the anti-free speech crowd was illiterated earlier…….”newcomers” are the problem, they say….they may be right. most of the “newcomers” come from places that aren’t run by a small network of good ol boys who beleive that ghosts tell them what to think. most “newcomers” come from places where diversity actually exists…..most “newcomers” expect a fair government that is not there to serve only a few…..most “newcomers” have more education than locally raised people, look at the stats…..
“newcomers” will always have to defend their right to speak….
That’s “she”
Residuals of tribalism, Theotherme. They should EVOLVE DAMMIT!
i think its more a residual effect of elitism……..go to the carson mansion for lunch and see how many “newcomers” are eating there……….
Forget “heraldo” what are YOU afraid of, “Jane”? Must be pretty scary.
Ask Greg and Carol – you will find people react favorably when they realize that they have a blog, even people who disagree with them. Ask Eric. Ask Greg. Ask Hank. Ask Bob. Ask Fred. Every one has taken on controversial issues. this isn’t about tyranny, and you won’t be burned at the stake for your opinion.
‘Course if you are being paid to man the propaganda machine, we might find your opinions to be a little, shall we say, “suspect.”
Fear is the mind killer, “Jane” – fear is the little death…
Any professional spin doctors in this town are employed by one person. Get a clue.
When is Tyson’s contract up for renewal anyway? Let’s get back to a fact based discussion.
Yo… is Chris Crawford.
Rose won’t argue with the Supreme Court’s logic, just strawmen. Calling the common sense avoidance of unnecessary problems fear is a bit hysterical. See above Supreme Court ruling and argue with that.
Chris Crawford
Quite possibly the worst campaign manager in Humboldt County
I still can’t believe Bohn lost by such a wide margin!
“theotherme Says:
February 2, 2008 at 12:53 pm
yo,
the contraction for the words you are is spelled you’re………..that last post of yours was classic…”
Theotherme, since we’re getting down to details in spelling and grammar, I noticed you don’t like to capitalize anything.
rose,
isnt “god” anonymous? he/she/it has never revealed hiself/herself/itself to me……….do you rant and rave at church every sunday about that too? you must be pretty pissed off at “god” for being so afraid, since the reason people stay anonymous is fear….
“rose” you’re steadfast tenacity and impeccable logic have finally convinced me to out myself so I can stand tall with you and Fred, Carrol, and Hank. Ok, here goes…. I’m really…………………………… ME!!!!!!!! Happy now?
1:52
lack of capitalization does not change the meaning of the thought……..using the word “your” in place of “you’re” changes the meaning……its a common mistake actually..i only comment on it when the person using it is calling another person “stupid” or “an idiot” in the SAME sentence….
I don’t believe Yo is Chris Crawford. 1:46. Chris is charming in person, as is his lovely wife. Really nice people on a social level.
I think capitalizing DOES change the meaning. Sometimes the reader does not recognize the start of a new sentence, a new thought. These rules of grammar are all helpful clues to decipher the material’s meaning, as intended by the writer. Not using capitals can be seen as “quirky” and “fun’ by some though, kind of like dotting your “i”s with a circle. I agree that it is not as confusing as mispelling a contraction or a synonym though.
Yo, now it’s your turn. Stand tall with “rose”, Fred, Carol, Hank, and “me”. Don’t be afraid, tell us who you are so you can be one of us and feel good about yourself. Stop being a coward! Give it up!
and how about misspelling “mispelling”?
Sounds like a good blogonym.
Heraldo, can YOU tell when people write in using different blogonyms by their IP address? I know I sometimes avoid my blogonym because certain people know who I am, and if I want to be truly anonymous, I don’t use any name.
Yes, (if I’m paying attention). But an IP address doesn’t indicate which person is using a particular computer. If four people in your house (or place of business) are using the same computer I would have no way to know whether comments are coming from one or dozens of people.
heraldo you are not a nice fellow/fellia Mr Tyson is a class act in your classless world. We would love to debate issues openly with you and your clones(j ane et al) when you have the honesty to step forward. ALSO WHEN WILL YOU GIVE US THE POSITIONS YOU HOLD IN HWC? LOCAL SOLUTIONS,BAYKEEPER.EPIC? wILL YOU GIVE US THE STRAIGHT”DOPE” ON THEIR NON-TAX STATUS,WHEN AND WHERE THEY MEET AND WHY YOU ARE SHILLING FOR THEM CONSTANTLY. Just looking for some truth in you.
What is the plural of anonymous? Is it anonymouses or anonimi?
I agree Jane, Rose doesn’t respect the law of the land. The only deference Rose has is to local strongmen with economic clout to dispense(or withhold). Basically, Rose is very tribal, just like the Iraqis, Rwandan’s, and Slavs. And like them, she’s in continual conflict with any social structure larger than her local fief.
Rose says she’s not afraid but essentially she’s a subordinate of the local old totalitarian class and craves their good graces. Rose identifies herself for the same reason every applicant for indulgences does: so that the powerful will know she’s a loyal troop and direct benefits of her fealty to her, personally.
For example, I can tell that the anonymous commenter at 2:19 is obsessed with HWC, but you don’t need an IP address to confirm such things.
Well said, NotANative
Jane Doe Says: February 2, 2008 at 1:05 pm I would venture that if we derail every thread by talking about who said what on past threads unrelated to this one, and who Heraldo is, we will never get anywhere. Could that be the motive here? Or just another sad attempt at kill the messenger?
“Jane” would like us to get back to destroying Dave Tyson’s reputation, which of course is the purpose of “heraldo’s” post – who wants to take a whack at it?
Just to be clear, that’s the other anonymous at 2:19 and not “me”.
Please don’t erroneously speak on behalf of other people. The popular term for that is called “making shit up.” Please don’t make shit up and attribute it to your enemies. It makes you look, well, not so good.
My point exactly, 2:28.
I’d just as soon stick with “rose” and out a few more people.
Those who cast stones….gee Other, what the hecks an “epidode”?
I have no idea what the plural of anonymous is but the plural of anonymouse is clearly anonymice.
Epidode? I think he was making fun of lisps Yo.
-boy
so many questions so little time……….
back to tyson:
rose,
are you suggesting that since tyson was caught hanging around arkley, that tyson’s reputation is now “destroyed”? is arkley really THAT bad that just being seen near him “destroys” ones reputation?
or are you suggesting that “heraldo” is the problem, since heraldo had the nerve to talk about it?
Sorry Rose,
Mr. Tyson’s reputation can be “destroyed” only if he did something wrong. According to you, visiting SN, the ER, and flying on RA’s jet, are completely appropriate behaviors. So Mr. Tyson’s reputation is intact when those things are made public. Maybe his reputation is enhanced, even. But I think you think there’s something wrong in what Mr. Tyson has done, according to H.
But more than that you’re claiming that a person’s “reputation” is the most important thing. Reputation with whom? How about evaluating them solely on whether they break the law, or commit an immoral act? Or is it that your valuation of being liked by the powerful is so much greater than being lawful, ethical, and moral? I’d say you’re afraid that powerful people will not like you and care only to be in their good repute.
Boy,
I am honestly curious….since you by your own admission dont really have any vested interest in these subjects, why do you bother to come here? The only comments you seem to make are ones which somehow validate you with Heraldo and friends…
You dont comment, other than to offer snarky rejoinders (see above) or to add your stamp of approval (see various “ha ha’s” and the like) in response to posts that Jane and Heraldo have made…
I know you have a great family, as evidenced by your blog writings, so I am curious as to why you feel the need to suck up to the H-Dawg…is his/her blog something you hope for your blog to emulate (I hope not, your blog is enjoyable in its own rigth)…
“Eureka City Manger Dave Tyson is spending embarrassing amounts of time loitering around the offices of the Eureka Reporter and Security National — two stalwarts in the Arkley family of entities — according to sources.
of the Eureka Reporter and Security National”
No, other that is what Heraldo is snidely suggesting, smearing with innuendo…
gaack, what to do? another spelling error…I must be having another “epidode” courtesy of boy…
yo,
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that arkley’s reputation isnt in very high standing with heraldo…….gimmie a break….
yo,
so if you think that arkley’s rep is so great, why are you so concerned about heraldo exposing tyson hanging out at the SN and ER offices? since rob’s rep is so good, this must be GOOD publicity, right? why the whining?
Since this thread has come of the tracks again Yo, you should re-read the top, are you suggesting that I agree with what H said about Mr. Tyson, or are you just assuming I would agree that this guy is somehow a puppet for Arkley now because he was seen near the ER building?
To answer your question…you entertain me. You come here, and let this guy spin your wheels. It is his blog, and his opinions. Which have links to sources from where his opines are derived. So, if I find something worth researching, I will follow his links. Few though I have found willing to follow.
Yo, you need to not take this guy so seriously. I realize I may asking a lot, but one blog does not make the leadership of HumCo shudder in their boots. I will admit this much, I was disconnected from the local issues until I landed here, and I am far from agreement with H on this stuff. However, now a days, I am not answering “I have no clue what the TPZ is” or what the Balloon Tract is.
Reading you fire away at him, what has it accomplished?
Start the Anti-Heraldo blog. Who knows, you can’t stop his musings on his own threads, you may have a better chance on your own blog.
I will stop coming here the day H decides to start posting the IP addresses of his readers. Just threw that in their in case you were thinking this is place was so bad.
-boy
Hey other…
You missed an apostrophe, my friend….
Please show me where I think arkley’s rep is so great…I really dont care. What I do care about is people like Heraldo, who slime everyone they dont agree with over and over again…
I never defended “shove” – if he did it, he should pay.
I don’t think the Marina center will pass the coastal commission – I think its a good project but I don’t think the zoning change request.
Boy, I will answer your question thusly: The press reads these blogs incessantly. Therefore, it’s good to call someone on there bullshit, lest it be repeated ad nauseum in the press.
That’s why I reply.
That’s why Rose replies.
You see it as entertainment, but I can assure you my friend that Heraldo has a political agenda that he is pushing with this blog, and most assurededly does NOT view this as entertainment.
Does H-Dawg have a right to post this? Absolutley…just like I have a right to call bullshit, when it appears…
Peace be with you
“Could you do a “watch Heraldo” blog without knowing the identity of H?” Hell yea. Coming to a theater near you:
Heraldo; The Gay Blade; Masked Avenger of the Nestorius Arkley
love eternal
tad
I hope you continue Yo, if anything it helps those if us who DO NOT read the papers to keep in mind there is another POV.
I am just one reader Yo, and I happen to feel the way I do. Now do you plan on asking everybody here what you asked me?
Is this the start of Blogger Profiling?
You see, this stuff is great.
Seriously, if H wanted to be a true man on a mission, wouldn’t ALL of your comments be wiped out?
So again, keep up the work Yo, and I know I would never speak for Rose, so all I can say to her is “The King is doing good.”
Is Crawford going to be running any future campaigns?
Maybe Rodoni?
The Lynching of Nestorius
NESTORIUS. Many people, in western civilization, do not know this man. If they do know the name, they only have a vague understanding of this man and the and the group he represents. The name Nestorius or Nestorian on a popular level is used to stigmatize. This name divides the world of Christendom into two groups.
http://www.metamind.net/nestor.html – 27k – Cached – Similar pages
Ahhhh, Tad! Good one!
Hey, boy! Glad to hear it!
The boy’s opinions are not always in line with mine. To mischaracterize it as such must be part of your “agenda.”
You only “care” (how sweet) because you don’t agree. The actual slime coming from the bloggers you favor gets your approval.
OK YO, I can agree with your final statement. H has related some information. If we care to, We readers (and the journalists) can try to determine whether its true and whether it matters to Mr. Tyson’s job duties.
Aside from that, its just the usual small town gossip that there’s a lot of around here. H didn’t allege Tyson was sneaking around or in disguise or that he carried out a bag of money. Would it be important news if Mr. Tyson’s visits were documented on the “society” page of the ER with pictures and quotations? I don’t think so.
Now there’s an idea.
ummmm…….so let me get this straight. you dont care about arkley’s reputation, yet you still feel the need to correct everyone about arkley’s reputation? is he not a big boy who can defend his own reputation, or does he need brown-nosers like yourself to do his clean-up?
yo,
correcting facts is one thing…..whining like a baby about free speech is another…grow a pair
Nobody is questioning Tyson’s work ethic. The man works hard. The question is, whose interests is Tyson working for? Rob Arkley’s or the city of Eureka? Unfortunately for Tyson, with the amount of time he hangs out at the SN family of entities, he has brought this suspicion upon himself. It appears to me he believes the best interests of Rob Arkley and the best interests of the City are synonymous. That is a major problem, in my opinion.
my entire post at 3:38 was addressed to YO
3:39,
you just summed up the whole question here. is tyson too beholden to arkley to stay objective and protect the interests of the average eurekan?….
On that point you are wrong, my friend.
I think Rose just feels left out of the game. Afterall plenty of people know who Heraldo is – even some of our finest local media people. The difference is, they don’t care. That’s what blog land is about, it’s a place to express your most worthless opinions. I assure you, Heraldo knows how to sign his name to the remotely worthwhile opinions he has. I should hope that anyone that is familiar with Heraldo knows not to take him too seriously.
Heraldo is well aware of what it is to smear somebody, so of course he would conceal his identity. We all know round-about is fair play.
Peace be with you
This blog was attacked by an organized group of special interest. They know one another and they attack in swarm. They are probably also communicating by phone. You can tell who they are because they seem to answer unasked questions, like their in on a private joke. Nobody give up Heraldo. One for all and all for one.
love eternal
tad
It must be the ones who don’t know that send me the misguided “Gotcha!” emails now and then.
~!!~ Tad is a Heraldista ~!!~
Tad, you act as if the other side doesn’t know each other, too.
Heraldo, what is the nature of the “gotcha” e-mails? Do they arrive just as a camera flash goes off outside your window?
No flashing lights, just dim…never mind.
3:39, there is nothing inherently wrong with talking to Arkley or Lovelace. I would hope people in decision making positions consult prominent people involved in all sides of an issue.
so tyson has been seen hanging around with lovelace lately? where at?
Tad, mention some of the blog-o-nymns of some of those you consider to be in the organized special interest group who attacks this blog. I am curious what you think.
Jesus, theotherme, it’s just an example opposite of Arkley. Your use of the word “hanging around with” says everything. You’re so biased as to be useless in a discussion of the issues. You’re like the crank who appears at every public meeting to decry all the shifty decision makers who are in cahoots with the forces of evil. Uh huh.
what is my bias? im actually for the marina center……….im just curious why you bring lovelace into the thread when tyson was seen hanging around ARKLEY…….were you just trying to change the subject?
Hopefully after the next election the cranks will be able to stay home for a while.
So is Yo indeed Chris Crawford?
theotherme, I’m sorry, but my point was clear. Take a course in critical reading or ask someone else in the room to explain it to you.
The toxicity at the Balloon Tract must be remediated BEFORE anything happens, BEFORE there is any development. The Union Pacific Railroad is responsible for the mess and should be required to clean it up.
First things first.
Bill
bill@hippiemail.com
Arkley does not own a bank named Security National. But he does own one called Statewide and the internet address is http://www.statewide.com if anyone is interested.
http://www.statewidebank.com is more like it. It is in Louisiana.
Hi Heraldo! We just finished watching Kevin Spacey and Annette Benning in the fillm American Beauty, and thought we would check out your blog to see if anything new is happening.
Are some of the bloggers here Scientologists?
I am not, nor shall I convert.
Oh, other post:
Security National is a loan servicing company……..and arkley does own it
NWP RAILROAD YARD
BROADWAY AND THIRD STREET
EUREKA, CA 95501
HUMBOLDT COUNTY
SITE TYPE: * HISTORICAL
ACRES: NONE SPECIFIED
APN: NONE SPECIFIED
NATIONAL PRIORITIES LIST: NO
CLEANUP OVERSIGHT AGENCIES:
NONE SPECIFIED
DIVISION / BRANCH: NORTH COAST
ENVIROSTOR ID: 12400001
SITE CODE:
ASSEMBLY DISTRICT: 01
SENATE DISTRICT: 02
SPECIAL PROGRAM:
FUNDING:
PRESS CONTACT: ANGELA BLANCHETTE
COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT
Cleanup Status
REFER: RWQCB AS OF 5/13/1991
Regulatory Profile
PAST USE(S) THAT CAUSED CONTAMINATION
NONE SPECIFIED
POTENTIAL CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN
HYDROCARBON SOLVENTS
ORGANIC SOLIDS WITH HALOGENS
CONTAMINATED SOIL
WASTE OIL & MIXED OIL
ORGANIC LIQUIDS (NONSOLVENTS) WITH HALOGENS
POTENTIAL MEDIA AFFECTED
NONE SPECIFIED
Site History
Completed Activities
DOCUMENT TYPE DATE
COMPLETED COMMENTS
Site Screening 5/13/1991 Site screening completed. The NWP RR yard is located on approximately 33 acres of a filled-in salt marsh. A small fresh water marsh covers a portion of the site. Soil and groundwater sampling have identified significant contamination consisting of oil and grease, petroleum hydrocarbons, and small amounts of solvents. Portions of the site are still being used by Eureka Southern Railroad for repairs. PCBs not tested for.
Discovery 1/13/1989 Referred by County of Humboldt
http://www.envirostor.dtsc.ca.gov/public/profile_report.asp?global_id=12400001
Bill
bill@hippiemail.com
ellsberg, that website is some communications company, isn’t it?
So in 2025 will this open sore still be oozing chemical pus into the Bay? Shouldn’t remediation be part of the plan?
Bill
bill@hippiemail.com
Poor Ms. H. Can dish…but can not take.
William or Bill, are you in Carol and Greg’s neighborhood?
brian,
why would you say “poor ms. h.” cant take it, when it is YOU who is whining like a baby to his mommy that people are talking about rob?……..
“mommy, make them stop talking about rob!!!!”
“mommy, the newcomers are talking about rob again!!!!
I don’t know if I am in Carol or Greg’s neighborhood. I am in Eureka.
Bill
Yes, Yo… is Chris Crawford.
Even the scariest politicos can be really nice guys.
No, not the same Bill. We live in Loleta.
Carol’s smugness sickens me.
how?
how dare she answer someone’s question?…..
why is that smug?
Mr. Crawford is an absolute gentleman. He works very hard and respects everyones right to individual opinions. Would that the loud,rude,intolerant ones on both sides could follow his lead. We often disagree but I am four square his admirer.
So Other,
Obviously your cognitive skills are a bit lacking. I do NOT blindly support ANYONE; likewise I do not think the blind smearing of Home Depot, Rob Arkley or anyone else is productive…
Try and think about it…i thought perhaps we were going to have a reasonable conversation….obviously I was incorrect….now, about those pesky missing apostrophe””””’s
And, William, me boy, the toxicity will be DEALT with…unless the Heraldo’s of the world get their way (which, I suspect they will) and the tract will just sit there the way it has been for the last couple ‘o (like that sweet use of the apostrophe, other?) decades….
You see, you cannot fucking mandate that somebody cleans up beyond the legal requirements of the law.
If you have a problem with that, change the law….
BTW, William,was that you saying that it wasnt going to be YOUR taxpayers dollars going towards paying for the EPD salary increases? Well, unless you live outside the city limits, you are tres'(ooohhhhh another apostrophe, other!!!) wrong…
Yep, I am Chris Crawford
No, hold on a sec….I am Dennis Mayo….
So Yo, why hasn’t “rose” asked you to out yourself?
Wait…um, I am ROB
RobberOfallthingsBelongingtoHumboldt….
For one thing, 701, I dont have a fucking blog smearing everything I oppose. Nor am I fronting for a group, like, say, the baykeepers, humboldt watershed council or any other of the myriad “protectors” that have sprung up…
Clear enough for you?
I don’t have a blog and am not a front for any group yet Rose has called for me to out myself.
I don’t have a front blog, either.
lol….
Yo is abusive and mean. That’s clear enough for me. If you spoke like that to me in person, I would seek a restraining order, and failing that, file a report with the police department to start documenting your history in order to eventually get a restraining order. Oh, but this kind of speech is all peachy for the blogs.
mmm, why is it that you two seem to act in….(edit..insert all of this is in massive respect to BOY’s Blog)
NOTICE…Hank…ErrrDriscoll……..
ummmm Concert?
Sorry, that question should have been directed at “rose”
a bit….uncomfy there, (as opposed to their, they’re Otherme….)?
I don’t suspect you are, but, I will call you out on your bullshit every time it appears…
No, 710, I suspect we’d be strappin on the latex and what ever else fascinated you….
Get real….As if H-Dawgs, missives were not mean spirited enough…puhleezzzzz this is merely in response to what H-Dawg started….
Heraldo made me do it.
yo,
you must not have read my posts very carefully….your post at 6:51 was bizzare…i never said that you supported anyone blindly…also,i clearly said that i am IN FAVOR of the balloon tract…..what in the world are you talking about? please, be clear in your assaults, ts unbecoming to be rambling nonsense….
Uhhh well…to pararphrase YOU, Otherme….”you dont care about arkley’s reputation, yet you still feel the need to correct everyone about arkley’s reputation….”
Clear enuFFF me?
Wow…I’ve never been the topic of a blog that i know of. It has been really entertaining to read all this stuff about me..some I didn’t know myself. Let me correct a few facts however: I attended Jacobs Junior High School not Zane…could never been a Falcon; I graduated from EHS in 1975 and didn’t meet Rob or Cherie Arkley until 1998 when she was elected to the City Council; I’ve never seen Rob’s jet; the only time I’ve been to the Eureka Reporter was for a Chamber Mixer a couple of years back; and it has been several months since I was in SN’s building. oh…and I hang out at OH’s once in awhile because Mayor Bass owns the place and I like the onion rings. I’ve served the citizens of Eureka for 18 years and the City Council asked me to be the City Manager in 2000…and they offered the 4 -1 vote in hopes to encourage me to take the job that I’ve held now for 8 years. I realize that most of you (Greg and Carol are the exception) don’t know me so I invite you to come by City Hall anytime to talk or we can go for a coffee…but I have to warn you I prefer Ramone’s coffee over Starbucks. Finally Heraldo, as a runner and hiker I take great exception to loitering comment.
I apologize for the “loitering” characterization.
You were paraphrased recently here.
smackDOWN
yo,
where did i mention BLINDLY following? you can stick up for whomever youd like. defensive arent we?
Mr Tyson, do you think that Mr Arkley was correct in calling the city council members and telling them to stop the city’s plans for going forward with the balloon tract?
Does Dave Tyson know Yo?
Mr. Tyson,
Bravo. You have responded to these absurd comments with a keen sense of wit and humor and have clearly seen them for what they are worth; not much. The City council has obviously made a good choice. I hope you serve us for many years in the future. Our community needs more people of your sound character to lead. Thank you.
One does wonder on the capacities of those who blindly believe a masked individual (s) who regularly misrepresent the facts and issues to fit their own agenda. This forum, while amusing from time to time is no source of real information and should not be treated as such. It is like going to the movies, a brief departure from the real world for a distraction from the problems facing us. But after visiting here we must return to the true facts and reality rarely represented by our host, Heraldo. Did anyone truly believe there were cameras or some sort of spy at the Reporter or at Arkley’s office. I truly hope no one was that stupid and ignorant.
Did anyone truly believe that anyone was seriously suggesting that there were cameras or some sort of spy at the Reporter or Arkley’s office?
What causes humor deficiency?
I would be happy to discuss this with you in person. if you would like to set up an appointment my office number is 441-4144. I’m also available in the evenings if that works better for you…
Sorry…I’m not very experienced at this “blog” thing but my last response was directed to 7:41. My daughter had to clue me in to how this works.
LMSAO…Jane
Even if the above person isn’t David Tyson, who said he has only been to the ER building once, as person who spends A LOT of time at the building, I have never once seen him here.
To suggest Tyson is frequenting the building is a lie and one among many. Wendy Butler didn’t get fired for the Winzler and Kelly report story and Steve Spain didn’t quit because he was forced to ask a question of Carlos Quilez.
Nice try Heraldo, but you’re not being very truthy. Or maybe you need to rethink your sources.
To 8:05…thank you!!! I have a wonderful job serving the community that has given me and my family so much.
Thank you for your response. I take it this is not something you would be willing to discuss in an open forum such as this.
8:28 thanks for your understanding.
Thank-you, Mr Tyson, not just for responding, but for bringing civility with you.
Ok, enough of this civility. So Yo………
So, yes, aa?
AA, You need to differentiate differences of opinion and lack of opinion….
ahhh, differntiate differences of opinon, and lack of civility..they dont equal the same thing
You lost me. Where is the lack of opinion coming from?
Uhhhm, read the thread
We’ll try it some other time Yo, this isn’t going anywhere.
So… I take it that the responses we have had by Mr. Tyson, and the ER Insider will make H consider changing the story?
Or will he stick by his sources?
isnt updating the story enough? you want him to remove the thread?
Yo… Says:
February 2, 2008 at 6:56 pm
“And, William, me boy, the toxicity will be DEALT with”
Who is going to deal with it, the Union Pacific or the current owner? The report I quoted was 17 years ago. Union Pacific was under state mandate to begin remediation. Why hasn’t that happened?
“BTW, William,was that you saying that it wasnt going to be YOUR taxpayers dollars going towards paying for the EPD salary increases? Well, unless you live outside the city limits, you are tres’(ooohhhhh another apostrophe, other!!!) wrong…”
I spoke in opposition to the raise for the EPD at the last City Council meeting. As I said earlier, I live in Eureka so what is your point? What I said about taxes is that they would either have to be raised or something would have to be cut in order to afford the pay raise. The city simply doesn’t have the money.
Bill
bill@hippiemail.com
Dave and I went to EHS together. Class of 75′. Good guy. What you see is what you get. Welcome to blog land David!
Hahaha! Heraldo, repeat after me, “I am an ass!”
Ms. H can not be trusted.
She said “How do you write women so well”
He said ” I think of a man ,then remove reason and accountabilty”
Sound like someone we know?
David:
You said you haven’t been in the Security National building for several months. With all due respect, that is rather vague. How much time have you spent inside the SN building since becoming City Manager? Can you tell us how many times you have visited there? And can you tell us what business you would have with SN?
More than one person who has occasion to visit SN’s offices reports having seen you there quite often. Surely, you can appreciate how troublesome that might appear to at least half the population of Eureka. And I am sure you understand that in your position, the perception that you hang out at SN a lot damages the reputation of Eureka City government at this time in the City’s history. Just the perception of impropriety causes people to lose faith in the integrity of their local government leaders.
David:
One more thing. Did Calpine take you out to dinner when their execs came to town seeking approval to build an LNG terminal back in 2004?
Very brave of you Anonymous 10:51.
Just who are the “persons”?
That dinner sure worked…..lol
One anon calling another anon a coward. What’s next?
It’s getting old that Heraldo bases so many of his posts on blatant lies. There are so many other things he could post about. What about Palco? EPD?
Mr. A can not be trusted.
Brian cannot be trusted.
10:55, I sure hope Calpine took him out to dinner or lunch or met with him in some way. It would be irresponsible for him not to speak with Calpine when such a major project was proposed. There isn’t a city manager in existence who wouldn’t do that.
The wining and dining that took place happened before citizens knew Calpine wanted to build on Humboldt Bay.
Changing the subject Ms. H ?………..Don’t blame you.
here is what “rose’s” blogsite is saying about heraldo’s blogsite:
heraldo seems to only attack the evil doers.
is that a complement, or what?
correction, that was not “rose” who said that, it was an anonymous poster on her site..
Yes Heraldo, no company holds a public meeting before contacting city officials to gauge their reaction to a project. It’s surprising that you don’t understand that. So far what’s been described is completely, run-of-the-mill normal and completely ethical.
That’s not the way a majority of citizens took it.
is “contacting” city officials that same as wining and dining them? if so, feel free to “contact” me anytime!!!
Having lunch or dinner isn’t wining and dining. Did they pay for his meal? Can you prove it? If not, hmmm, sounds like libel.
Too bad the T-S archives don’t go back that far.
8:30,
it should be public record if tyson billed the meal to the city….very easy to find if it exists……..although, have you actually dealt with the city of eureka before? unless you are a good ole boy or had a subpenea, you would never even come close to gaining access……
So the answer appears to be no. OK, as I expected. When pressed, many of your assertions fall apart. You get a little too caught up in your politics and lose sight of the facts.
my politics? i was all for the calpine site………..what are the first 3 letters of the word assume? dont make one out of yourself…
Brian, quit quoting Jack Nicholson, in “A Few Good Men” and wondering how it relates here.
Let’s go to the mattresses.
You are looking for love in all the wrong places.
theotherme, pay attention. That was a reply to Heraldo.
Mresquan nailed it (2/1/08 10:43pm) The Manager was visiting Jabba the Hut because he a big player in this town. Jabba, SN & ER have strong opinions on the county general plan. Mr. Tyson is a good manager for the City. That said, I think he shouldn’t be so worried about making Jabba upset. Jabba doesn’t have four votes anymore.
Wow, Dave, this blog post has over 250 comments! You must be popular!
David Tyson, as City Manager, is required to file financial disclosure forms, just like members of the City Council. If Calpine indeed treated David to wine and dinner, it should be disclosed. Those forms are on file at the City Clerks office.
While you’re at it, check Leonard’s Home Depot portfolio.
Y’all have no idea how much Rob loves it when folks are at each others throats over his actions. Down the bayou we been seeing it so long it makes us laugh. Better you get together or you have’nt got a chance against him.
I em French! You see? Weewee, lissen to my outwrageous fronch acceent!”
You ever notice- it happens here and also on the Times-Standard comments- that when the subject makes them uncomfortable, and when their arguments utterly fail, and their anonymous personal attacks fail, the hightly paid Arkley spin machine starts posting nonsense to render the thread irrelevant.
After reading 258 comments all I really can say is that those concerned about Tyson’s performance should show up up to the Eureka city council meeting on Tuesday where along with the agenda item I posted above is a review of Tyson’s performance.If you’re concerned show up and let the council know.
Yeah, put a bag over your head and let them know what you thing, anonymii.
Concerned about what? So far I’ve only seen sheer speculation and hysteria in this thread.
Peace be with you
Any time Peter Hannaford has to work on weekends you know you hit a nerve Heraldo. Good scoop, but now the question is what’s going on?
Why is he having meetings?
Why are these meetings being so obviously kept “hush, hush?”
They used everything they had in their psychological warfare handbook, but Heraldo and his masked readers rose up and took the power back. Viva La internet!
love eternal
tad
Because you meet with interested parties, stakeholders. That’s what city managers do.
Sigh.
Peace be with you
. . . and, then you get on the blog and lie?
love eternal
tad
tsk.
Prove it tad
If you have evidence provide it Tad. For once it would be nice to for baseless claims on this blog to be backed up with actual evidence.
What are the chances of an “er insider” defending A that is not hired to specifically do so?
How about your baseless claims 12:25?
Like the copy of the very large check I received all those years ago from mister cunnilingus for keeping quiet? He needs to cut another one or I will make my unwanted presence known.
So when does Mr. Tyson’s contract expire?
I’m calling HBO. There’s a mini series here.
He didn’t satisfy you then.
12:25 made no claims. He asked a question. Asking for proof in the face of extraordinary or serious claims is merely responsible.
Peace be with you
1) the thread speaks for itself
2) Tyson is a City Manager and Arkley is Arkley both notorious for evading truth
3) A lot a time and energy was spent dispelling Heraldo and his post.
My experience is that when people who don’t have any way of knowing the truth start blindly defending an accused so adamantly, even to the point of making it a city manager’s “first blogging experience,” that there is a city/corporate cover-up operation going on. “Me thinketh thou doest protest to much.”
Knowing how the elite dominate all of the body politico, and Arkley especially, I have to lean more towards Heraldo’s claim then the spin doctors.
I hope more masked whistler blowers come forward to inform us just how much our government and their corporate puppet masters lie to us.
love eternal
tad
They used everything they had in their psychological warfare handbook, but Heraldo and his masked readers rose up and took the power back. Viva La internet!
Close, Tad, you just have it backwards. Think outside the rhetoric.
http://www.ci.eureka.ca.gov/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=3958
*
CITY OF EUREKA
2007 – 2012 FIVE-YEAR
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
TABLE OF CONTENTS
The General Fund’s ability to make significant contributions to the CIP has
been declining over the last several years by a combination of factors.
The City’s General Fund has had it’s revenues reduced by the State budget
crisis and increased police funding. The General Fund currently does not
have the ability to finance capital improvement projects as it had in the
past.
*
Replace fueling terminal conveyance piping.
Replace underground tanks with above ground tanks.
Cleanup of contaminated soil around leaking underground
storage tanks, at the foot of Commercial Street.
State law requires cleanup of found soil contaminants.
STUDIES & REPORTS
Construction Drawings, Plans, and Specifications proposed by SHN in 2005
FUNDING SOURCES
General Fund, Humboldt Bay revenues
PRIOR APPROPRIATIONS
FY 2006-2007 $9,162
Underground Storage Tanks Designated UST Operator costs as required by State
Water Resources
Control Board $1,170.
Refer to Underground Storage Tank Modifications, Abandonment and Removal
Project, Bid No. 923-3.
Although the City has a valid Underground Storage Tank Operating Permit for
the three tanks remaining in service at the Commercial Street Fueling
Station, the conveyance piping that services the Fueling Station is in need
of replacement. Additionally, it would benefit the City to eventually remove
the four 10,000 gallon underground tanks, and replace them with one 1,000
gallon gas and two 10,000 gallon diesel above ground tanks.
The estimated cost to replace the conveyance piping is $100,000. The
estimated cost for tank removal and cleanup is $420,000, and to install the
above ground fueling tanks is $240,000. Approximately$250,000 is
reimbursable by the state.
PROJECT COST ESTIMATE PROJECT COST ESTIMATE
Future Dollars
1. Land Acquisition 07-08 $121,000 (3a,4,5)
2. Design 08-09 $720,800 (3b,4,5)
3. Construction (a)Piping (b)Tank $761,500 09-10 $21,000 (5)
4. Inspection $31,500 10-11 $21,000 (5)
5. Monitoring $94,500 11-12 $21,000 (5)
Total $887,500 Total $904,800
FUEL SYSTEMS MODIFICATIONS – Project #181
COMMENTS
2007 Dollars
DESCRIPTION
JUSTIFICATION
ANNUAL O & M COSTS
2007 CIP LAND & BUILDINGS 2-10
does removing those fuel tanks relate to this thread in any way? are you saying that arkley wants the tanks gone?
He’s not saying anything. He’s copying and pasting stuff he doesn’t understand. A lack of information makes things scary. So he’s providing a public document as proof of his fears.
Tad has no evidence, so he spreads FUD. How quaint.
Peace be with you
“put a bag over your head and let them know what you thing, anonymii”
Yes, despite Mayor Bass’ unconstitutional demands CGC 54953.3. states: “A member of the public shall not be required, as a condition to attendance at a meeting of a legislative body of a local agency, to register his or her name, to provide other information, to complete a questionnaire, or otherwise to fulfill any condition precedent to his or her attendance.”
AND: CGC Section: “11124. No person shall be required, as a condition to attendance at a meeting of a state body, to register his or her name, to provide other information, to complete a questionnaire, or otherwise to fulfill any condition precedent to his or her attendance.”
So put a bandanna over your face, tell Bass she’s getting sued, and rise as the faceless masses.
love eternal
tad
I may have worked for Arkley, but I am not defending him at all by my statements.
I simply said that I can say that I have spent enough time in the building (that has many large windows) and know that Tyson has never come inside the ER building while I was there (9-5, M-F for 2+ years), loitered outside or even ventured into the nearby Pawn Shop, Mexican Restaurant, or smoke shop as far as I can tell. I do take a lunch on occasion, so I guess he could have slipped in while I was away.
My point, which is not to defend Arkley, is to suggest that Heraldo is blatantly lying for some purpose, or is relying on sources that suck. Tyson doesn’t come to the ER. Period. In the newspaper business, we name our sources to avoid innacuracies when making such bold statements against public officials.
Heraldo, I’d fire your sources or get new ones.
Peace be with you
Let’s see I got Rob “fuck me in the ass” over here and Heraldo and other anonymous witnesses over there – who to believe?
When someone tells me there’s a hole in the boat, I don’t need proof I’ll drowned before I start looking into the problem. What the fuck ever dude – you’re proof enough to know a cats are out of the bag.
love eternal
tad
What I understand is that the city owns some fuel tanks by the Bay that are leaking and due to lots of money being spent on police the city has no money to fix them even though state law requires them to be fixed.
Isn’t this mismanagement? Won’t this result in fines for the city in the future?
Why can’t the city look at the city employees and say “We feel your pain, but we can’t afford any raises now.” Are the city employees in danger of dropping below the poverty line like so many of the rest of us? I think not. Maybe it’s time for public employees to share OUR pain.
I didn’t write this report. Dave Tyson or someone on his staff did.
That would be true if the police and environmental cleanup funds were tied. But no. There’s no way in hell you could blame the lack of funding of one thing on another unrelated thing getting funding. Bureaucracies don’t work that way. You’re expressing your pure opinion.
Both are funded from the General Fund.
Maybe you missed this part:
“The City’s General Fund has had it’s revenues reduced by the State budget
crisis and increased police funding. The General Fund currently does not
have the ability to finance capital improvement projects as it had in the
past.”
Neat idea Tad, but you’re not in the boat. You’re reading a story about a boat. For those of us actually in the boat, it’s more like we’re on a cruise liner and some kid ran up and starts yelling that the boat is sinking, so some of the freakiest people decide to jump overboard and fall to their deaths while the rest of us wait for, or seek out, accurate information on which to base our lives.
William, how many other things are funded by the general fund? Why do you single out the cop funding instead of the dozens (hundreds?) of other things funded by the General Fund? Could it be your feelings about the cops? Sigh.
I didn’t single out the police funding, the CIP report, written by David Tyson or his staff did. I quoted it verbatim.
I am not being disingenuous. I have spoken publicly about my feelings over the beating death of my friend Martin Cotton. That is no secret. We the people have by no means gotten any sufficient answers on his death. I await action by the DA on this killing. I will not forget.
But I am also sincerely concerned about extravagant entitlements that public employees are seeking – and receiving. Let us remember that most public employees enjoy job security, a plush retirement, and good health care benefits, as well as percs like sick days and paid leaves that a Target “team member” could only dream of.
If you want to give them the raises, you have to raise taxes because the fuel tanks need replacement now.
Have a peaceful day,
Bill
william clearly stated that he was concerned about the police officer’s SALARY INCREASE……………..why defend the city, especially given the fact that you have a self-described lack of understanding of city funding? knee-jerk reaction?
What does the police salary increase have to do with environmental clean-up? NOTHING. If you have some way to tie the two together other than that they both come from the multi-use general fund that is a funding source for dozens of things, please provide your evidence and rationale. Otherwise, stop the FUD.
The only thing I have a knee-jerk reaction to is people who fly off the cuff about things they don’t understand (municipal budgets, for example).
Everyone is up-in-arms over… well, nothing so far. Please attend and speak at the next council meeting. I’ll love laughing at you from home as everyone, even Larry, rolls his eyes at you. Can we please pan the councilmembers’ faces while the public speaks?
It is Dave Tyson that says police funding is tied to environmental cleanup, not me. You maybe should ask him.
Have a peaceful day,
Bill
bill@hippiemail.com
Peace be with you
2:07 pm you’re right on “it’s more like we’re on a cruise liner and some kid ran up and starts yelling that the boat is sinking” The cruise liner is the Titanic, we been on this same sinking liner many times before and the kid is a harbinger of laissez faire politics.
Arkley’s already known for wanting the green light from Tyson to start capping that toxic waste dump he owns, and build the Home Depot. Public be damned.
love eternal
tad
Ahahah, nice update from Tyson. Ya’ll just got your ass handed to you.
(And BTW, what a polite ass handing it was considering the ignorant vitriol spewed here in the past couple days.)
Wait a minute, Tyson essentially said he would have coffee with Tad. So when that happens, can I accuse of him all sorts of conspiracy theories because he’s wining and dining with Tad?
Yup, you guys are fun to banter with.
The Man is a pathological liar of the very worst kind.
Anyone with half a brain who has dealt with him with their eyes and ears open knows it.
You lackeys can defend and spin all you want, but it won’t change the plain truth of his evil.
You’re a looney.
Tad-
You curse and react so angrily that, even though I generally agree with your points, I have to ask:
What is up with “piece be with you” and “love eternal”? Is that some kind of joke or are you really that facetious?
Just because you throw on a nice hippy-skippy tagline doesn’t make the rest of your “fuck this”, “fuck that”, and “fuck in the ass” any more appropriate.
Jason, what we’re seeing is two worlds colliding, like skinny Elvis meeting fat Elvis. There’s the old Jesus-wannbe Tad, and the new fuck-you-all Tad. The platitudes that start and end his missives are Jesus, and everything in between is Rowdy Roddy Piper. When he drops the cordial platitudes, it’s time to walk on the other side of the street.
Tad craves an identity and packs a desperate need for attention.
He doesn’t get either in his obtuse meanderings at Board and Council meetings. The language draws some focus but the arguments…..well read ’em and see, they sort of wilt. Lots of sound and fury but nothing significant.
So he seeks identity here. Funny he’s so afraid to give up his name.
Waiting for the light to change 4:39. Hope it won’t be very long because the screed is rushing down the street
David Karisney doesn’t think I’m a looney.
Is he your therapist?
This being Humboldt, I have to ask, is Sure Wood Forest your real name? I mean, is it the name you gave yourself after you left home and moved to Humboldt? Because I would expect the name to either connotate a higher state of bliss, or contain a verb.
And I can verify that David Karisney isn’t a looney.
And I can vouch for Martin.
I can vouch that Willy Wonka isn’t a slave owner. The Oompa Loompas came willingly and are free to leave at any time.
i kinda like the name Sure Wood Forest….sounds like a great xxx movie star name….
And Theo Therme doesn’t?
Who is Mark Dunn?
id rather be known to the ladies as Sure Wood Forest than Theotherme ……
Who is Martin Sziber?
Tyson wins in a knockout!
Peace be with you Jason
1) Fuck is acceptable verbiage in my economic strata.
2) I say Fuck because I can.
3) Fuck efficiently demonstrates how angry I am. (in this case of the same old we’re fucking you, but you can’t prove it so we’ll fuck you again)
4) I’m tired of using other people’s (Aryans) culture to express my truth. I don’t want to fit into the prudish bullshit world of rich white power brokers. I don’t want to use their mannerisms, their adjectives, or their fucked up sense of morality.
Though many pretend they are the holders of the secret of tad, they are all just a bunch political and financial opportunists trying to discount the truth by drawing attention to character and/or cultural differences with those who spotlight their continual lies.
If you really think about what it means to wish Peace upon everyone you deal with, enemies included, and what Eternal Love really is, then maybe I won’t seem such an enigma to you. But as long as you look at me through the eyes of the privileged class you’ll only see what you’re programed to see.
Lastly I am not sure what the difference is between a “joke” and “facetious.” I am truly not trying to be humorous with either my religious tenets nor the gravity of the current fascist order.
love eternal
tad
Theo Therme, or The Other Me?
theo therme it is……. for now on….
its not as good as Sure Wood Forest, but itll do….
Tad,
Fleas be on thee…
You look pretty “aryan” to me…considering that the “current fascist order” allows you to sponge off our society, while in a real police state, say….like North Korea, you’d be ummm dead…killed by a truly oppressive government…
Theo, you missed another apostrophe, my friend. I normally wouldn’t comment, but the use of them (or lack therof) seems to really concern you.
Tadly…
Not that being an “aryan” has anything to do with what you are or are not…point being that the only reason you are oppressed (in your own mind at least) is due to the choices YOU make…
Anyway, it’s hardly a “fascist” state that allows you to live your life, free to make these silly comments that you do…
Again, try that in a real police state, and you’d be….gone.
Tad-
You are letting your emotions get the best of you. I use ‘fuck’ quite regularly as many different parts of speech, but I also understand that if you are trying to influence people in a posative way, such as your peace be with you missive, then using ‘fuck’ in this context discredits you.
Sure you have the right to express yourself however you feel, but you are shooting yourself in the foot with two different messages.
So with points 1-3 I am with you, I just think your hindering yourself by using it in a mixed context. On point four, however, I think you are being both divisive by creating an ‘aryan power culture’ out of people who are far closer to you than you realise and it is also not ‘thier’ fucked up sence of morality that wishes to be civil in dialogue. If a perant wants thier child, no matter what race or culture, to follow local politics yet not be exposed to language that could lead to trouble if they used it, how does that square up with your usage of it?
The ‘secrets of Tad’ thing is kinda funny, but I don’t know if you meant it that way. And I can assure you that many different ‘cultures’ use profanity in different ways so I don’t think your use of casual language makes you any different than the ‘white power brokers’ that you disparage. They say fuck too. Actually, they say fuck you, but they understand that saying it so simply would hurt thier cause so they say it behind closed doors. You could be an instrument of change, but not by mixing your messages.
You really aren’t an enigma to anybody. That is just you being self-serving in regards to ego. You are actually pretty simple as you wear your emotions on your sleave. Again this is to the detriment of you valid points that you make.
You are right with there being little difference between joke and facetious. I was alluding to whether you knew you where being humorous or not.
Again, I personally am fine with curse words in this environment. I am especially fine with attacking the neo-conned fascists with whatever means you choose. It is when you try to play both sides by saying ‘love eternal’ yet then undermine that very message. Instead of facetious maybe I should have said disingenuous.
Oh, and looking at you through the eyes of the ‘priveledged class’ is just creating a straw man out of me. You really have no idea of my ‘class’ nor my ‘priveledge’. Nor do I think you really care, as long as it helps your position. Disingenuous.
Tad wants to be mad and doesn’t want to look at other views because they point out why he shouldn’t be mad. He is, and wants to be.
http://www.northcoastjournal.com/031606/cover0316.html
Each of these cities, Truckee, Clinton and Marquette, has a unique vision of what it wants to do. But they all have at least one thing in common: In each case, city government took charge of the planning process and never let go. As a result, the projects are sailing through with minimal controversy. The planning of the projects, and the strategies for dealing with pollution and other obstacles, are being addressed to most everyone’s satisfaction.
In the wake of the Wal-Mart debacle, Eureka had started down a similar road. The city applied for and received a $50,000 grant from the county’s Headwaters Fund, and planned to match that sum with money from its redevelopment agencies. The money would have funded a study aimed at identifying state and federal grant money that could have been used to clean up the Balloon Track and to develop, through a series of community meetings, ideas for development that had the broad support of the citizenry.
But, in late 2004, after the Arkley family privately made it known to members of the City Council that it was in negotiations to purchase the property, the city abruptly changed course. The grant from the Headwaters Fund was returned and the study abandoned. Councilmember Jeff Leonard, who introduced the motion to abandon the study (to much confusion, at the time), later said that he feared that it might ruin the city’s best chance to get the Balloon Track developed.
{SNIP}
An environmental group, Humboldt Baykeeper, is on the verge of filing a lawsuit aimed at forcing Union Pacific, before it transfers title to the Balloon Track, to clean up the property. That would effectively preempt the Arkleys’ proposed solution to contamination at the site, which is to “cap” it — to essentially asphalt over the entire surface of the property. It would also add months if not years of delay in the path of any redevelopment plan.
Baykeeper says that water samples it has taken from Clark Slough show levels of lead 10 times the allowable limit, and alleges that the railroad company has not adequately complied with monitoring and clean-up orders issued by the North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board, a state agency charged with enforcing federal clean water standards. “The problem is that we know that the groundwater underneath the site is in direct communication with Humboldt Bay,” said Baykeeper’s Pete Nichols last week. “Capping the property with a parking lot won’t solve the problem.”
{SNIP}
Two agencies control the zoning of the Balloon Track: Eureka City Council and, because it lies near the bay, the state Coastal Commission. Currently, the parcel is zoned for “public use only,” meaning that, as it stands, only public facitilies — parks, schools, municipal buildings and the like — can be built there. If “Marina Center” is to go forward, both agencies will have to agree to change the Balloon Track’s zoning.
I sat near a geologist at a fundraiser who has tested this site and told me the toxic levels are minimal, and he said as much as he doesn’t want Home Depot to go in there, the toxicity was not going to be a problem with it. Compared to other sites on the bay, this one is not significant when speaking of environmental risks. Aren’t these levels public record?
What was the name of the geologist? We could just ask him or her to publish the results.
I have no idea- it was a man, kind of tall I think. 45-50 ish. Sorry, that’s about all I remember.
By the mid nineties, the regional board listed the balloon tract as one of the 15 worst pollution sites on the bay. Most of these were considered Superfund sites. Too bad the Bush administration bankrupted the Superfund, determining that toxic cleanups be paid for by taxes rather than polluters.
Anony.Miss Says:
February 3, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I sat near a geologist at a fundraiser who has tested this site and told me the toxic levels are minimal, and he said as much as he doesn’t want Home Depot to go in there, the toxicity was not going to be a problem with it. Compared to other sites on the bay, this one is not significant when speaking of environmental risks.
That’s before the bay was listed as impaired by Dioxin.
that’s before they tested the balloon track for Dioxin, and before they admitted that aqua-fer was being influenced by the tide. Wait till you see the results of the tests that where just taken on the site, as part of the legal action. It’s not about big box by the bay, it’s about making Union Pacific clean up thier toxic mess!
No, I’m pretty sure it’s about big box by the bay. Heraldo has made Home Depot issue #1.
Peace be with you Jason
You make a lot of assumptions. I understand where those assumptions come from. Your right, if I thought that the university educated type class could or even would attempt to be honest and solve the very problems they’re exasperating, then doing things “their way” might prove productive. But, when you have blatant falsehoods thrown out as misinformation to discredit the truth you speak, I can’t believe that anyone will wake the fuck up before I’m killed in the labor camps.
Believe what you want and give “credits” to whom ever gives you that huggy feely feeling.
Good luck with that.
love eternal
tad
Ahh, the cynicism of old age. Makes you wonder what Jesus would have been like if they hadn’t nailed him to that cross. Imagine fat old Jesus bitching about rendering unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s.
I’m wondering if Tad is JL5thDst on acid. If not they have to be half brothers on their sisters side.
It’s neat how the discussions simply stop on this blog. It’s like one or two prolific writers simply give up on a thread and you realize you were debating some unemployed nerd.
I prefer the name theo therme to the other me. It does kind of sound like a porn star.
“I’m tired of using other people’s (Aryans) culture to express my truth.”
Tad is confused. The Aryan “race” was invented by a 19th century German pseudo-scientist/anthropologist. The word is of no use and does not describe anyone.
Peace be with you CPR
Thanks for the info. I never knew that and will be researching it soon. I always thought that the “Aryan race” was just a term for those Canaanite/Babylon/Egypt/Prussian/Roman/British/United States imperialist conquerors of defenseless indigenous peoples. It’s weird how spellcheck wants me to capitalize “Aryan” like it is a proper noun.
Thanks again this is why I read these blogs.
love eternal
tad
Well, for criminy sakes, I popped a big bowl o’ popcorn and plopped down upon my couch to see the defenders of the Heraldo Way appear at the Eureka city council meeting to confront the twin demons of Dave Tyson and the super duper secret SN Scandal, and the KaBoom!/Home Depot Jeff Leonard conspiracy…and for pete’s sake….NADA
I guess it’s just way more fun to sling mud and smear from afar than confront these princlings of darkeness and smite a blow for justice…
Dude, I don’t even pop popcorn when I watch Football. I tuned in for a few minutes, and watched them discuss the attempt to slow down the vehicle speeds throughout Eureka. I guess the CHP has been patrolling H and I streets. I shall keep an eye out.
-boy
Yo, that’s because a certain person here is a prolific writer under several (logged in and anonymous) personalities. Take notice when threads mysteriously come to a halt. The master writer has given up on that thread.
Looking back over this thread, virtually all of the anonymous posts were done by people supporting Tyson or attacking Heraldo for this thread. Threads obviously die when no one has anything left to say. Your “master writer” conspiracy theory has no legs.
The “Master Writer” writes most of his comments under a handful of names, not anonymous. Nice job trying to cast the eye away from yourself though.
OH MY GAWD! Anonymous, like, made a funny!
That is the worst conspiracy theory I have yet to read on this blog.
-boy
I have always wanted to be a master writer rather than a master baiter (sp?) like 10:09. loi
http://www.times-standard.com/ci_8182895
Heraldo, you asshole – that’s why you started this thread to bash Tyson.
“The city’s concerns mostly surround the county’s proposed plan to build housing developments on areas within the city’s sphere of influence. These developments, the city contends, would have sizable impacts on the city’s waste water infrastructure and traffic. ”
Gee, is the city saying NIMBY?
These are the same concerns of people living in other areas proposed for increased development without the mitigating factors for the city that Lovelace brought up, “the city has a concentration of retail and commercial businesses, which draw a lot of employees and customers from surrounding areas. ”
and
“those businesses generate a lot of sales tax dollars for city coffers. He went on to say that the implication in the city’s comments that the added traffic from new developments would solely be a liability misses the larger picture. ”
In other words, the people who live in new developments will drive to work and do business in Eureka regardless if their house is inside the city of Eureka or not which will make money for the City of Eureka and its businesses and won’t increase traffic any more than if they lived in suburban areas and worked and shopped in the city. They wouldn’t drive to suburban areas if they didn’t live there.
Jane, the point is Heraldo posted that to start the tyson smear campaign. Almost everybody that has worked with the county on the update has complained they will not listen. read the city’s letter. on one of these threads there was a debate about whether the general plan would be able to survive a CEQA challenge. well, when you have a city complaining the county “ignored significant impacts”, it seems that a challenge will be forthcoming. probably from a whole bunch of groups and agencies. did anyone catch the HCSD comments at the last PC meeting? same song…
That’s not really Eureka being NIMBY. Impacts on the sewer system, etc. will be mitigated. Eureka just wants to control things in their “sphere of influence” without actually incorporating those areas and paying for it.
Translation: Hey county, do what we want where and how we want it, and you pay for it because we want all of the benefit with none of the responsibility.
“hey county, quit talking out of both sides of your mouth”
the plan will get challenged and they county will lose yet another lawsuit. why do you think the city uses words like “significant impacts” – – – where have I seen that phrase before?
Stop the press. Do Realy feel that a writer with zero public presence can break the spirit of a community patriarch like Tyson. He would eat you up and spit you out. Take your hippy propaganda and go back to the end of the bench were you belong. Quit taking handouts from hardworking Americans.
These blogs really are comedic. Tad apparently is stuck in high school because there is an F bomb in just about every 4 sentences. Stay classy San Diego. As for 95% of the other commenters on this blog I’m just going to assume that not only have you never had a conversation with either of these men, you’ve probably never even met them. Just like everything else in E Town the wrong people (whoever started this ridiculous blog) hear a RUMOR and they run with it. This is what we’re left with, 350 comments and a months worth of bad mouthing… Kudos to you Dave Tyson for taking the high road in defending yourelf from the absurdity of all these people who apparently have nothing better to do with their time than slander people they don’t even know!
Do we have 4 votes yet?
I just want to thank you Dave for all of your advice and help during this campaign. Frank and Polly would be lost without you.
Lets hope “lost with him”. We’ll know on Tues.
Is Jager a Tyson supporter? Is Tyson a Jager supporter? Is Arkley a Tyson – Jager supporter? Is Tyson – Jager an Arkley supporter?
Is Tyson solidifying power by back room advice to Jager,etc? Interesting comments in this thread. It’s time for an update Heraldo.
It’s a work in process. Stay tuned.
Eureka is the prime example of why McKinleyville should never incorporate…a city staff run amok.
Tyson is very fearful of George Clark he has rallied is defenders around him and trying to make sure that George is defeated. Why is he so afraid of George? Does it have something to do with waste water? What does George have over him?
I have a funny feeling Tyson has more than waste water to worry about. Indeed, what do people in the know, know?
Tyson’s knees are sore from servicing the Arkley “account”!
Tyson hates Eureka. If not, why would he want to change it so much?
Dave, move to Santa Rosa where you belong.
I’ll bet there will be a bottle or two down the old hatch before the city manager sees the sunrise next Wednesday morning. It is so hard to control the electorate.